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Donald Trump will not be president of these United States, no matter the preferences of a substantial number of the Republican Party’s most loyal voters. Indeed, he will probably be a punchline by this time next year, even if he pursues the presidency as an independent.

For now, though, the real estate mogul and reality-TV darling is enjoying a moment aloft the polls as the GOP’s man to beat. A recent Washington Post survey showed him as the favorite of 24 percent of registered Republicans and GOP-leaning voters.

In that poll, Trump garnered nearly twice as much support as his nearest rival, Scott Walker, who was the top candidate of just 13 percent. Though Trump’s numbers could drop any day given his propensity for saying dumb things, his appeal so far seems to guarantee him a spot on the stage for the first primary debate, which will take place on Aug. 6.

Needless to say, GOP strategists are tearing their hair out, hardly believing their bad luck. After a grueling series of primary debates damaged their brand in the 2012 presidential cycle, they tried to rein them in, hoping to show voters a cast of serious and sober candidates.

But the superficial changes — including cutting the number of primary debates — don’t get to the much larger problem afflicting the Republican Party: Its strategists have spent decades appealing to the worst instincts of their constituents, and they are now reaping what they’ve sown. It’s the voters, after all, who are keeping Trump’s hopes alive.

Those voters have been treated to years of bombast and propaganda as Republican politicians pandered to their fears, their prejudices, their hatreds. The late Lee Atwater confessed that GOP pols perfected a strategy of playing to the bigotry of whites uncomfortable with the changes wrought by the civil rights movement. Too savvy to denigrate black Americans directly, they used a coded language, Atwater said in an interview: “… You’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites …”

That vile Southern strategy was never retired. It was simply given a 2.0 upgrade that denounces Islam, defames Mexicans and slanders gays and lesbians. Oh, and savages President Obama.

Having been fed that drivel for half a century, aging GOP voters are hardly going to suddenly surrender their gospel truths. Trump, a narcissistic opportunist, knows that, so he’s gone into overdrive coddling their prejudices, saying, among other things, that Mexico is sending to the United States “rapists” and drug smugglers. Guess what? His incendiary rhetoric has catapulted him to the top of the GOP primary heap.

No, Trump’s appeal won’t last. But the prejudices that are animating so many GOP primary voters are more enduring. And that’s where party leaders need to start their work.

They could begin with Roger Ailes, the former GOP strategist who heads Fox News, the premier right-wing communications network. His talking heads regularly pump out the most bigoted ideas, feeding an audience anxious to have its antediluvian views validated. (GOP bigwigs might also try talking to radio talkmeister Rush Limbaugh, but he’s likely a hopeless cause.) If Ailes cares about anything other than ratings, he’ll dial back the paranoia.

Then, the Republicans’ biggest names — Mitch McConnell, are you listening? — need to speak frankly to their constituents. Many of them are fearful of a country whose demographics are changing quickly. They can’t quite get their bearings with a black man in the Oval Office, a mosque under construction across town, and a lesbian couple across the street. As an aging (and angry) white Southern reader once said to me: “I’m being told that everything I was taught as a child is wrong!”

OK, I understand that change is difficult, challenging, disorienting. That’s especially true if the changes may make it harder for you to maintain your position at the top of the economic and social ladder.

But the nation, happily, has long been about the business of perfecting the union, coming closer to its creed of equality for all. So change is upon them, whether they like it or not. If they can’t learn to accept it, the GOP will remain shut out of the White House.

(Cynthia Tucker won a Pulitzer Prize for commentary in 2007. She can be reached at cynthia@cynthiatucker.com.)

Photo: Tea Party crowd, 2010. (Fibonacci Blue via Flickr)

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Cynthia Tucker Haynes

Cynthia Tucker Haynes, a veteran newspaper journalist and Pulitzer Prize winner, is a Visiting Professor of Journalism and Charlayne Hunter-Gault Distinguished Writer-in-Residence at the University of Georgia. She is also a highly-regarded commentator on TV and radio news shows.

Haynes was editorial page editor of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper for 17 years, where she led the development of opinion policy. More recently, she was that newspaper’s Washington-based political columnist. She maintains a syndicated column through Universal Press Syndicate, which is published in dozens of newspapers around the country. Besides winning the Pulitzer Prize for commentary in 2007, Haynes has also received numerous other awards, including Journalist of the Year from the National Association of Black Journalists.

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  1. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

    What? Repugnicans are scum? Who knew?

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    1. Independent1 July 25, 2015

      And what’s really sad, is that a large percentage of those ‘Repugnican scum’, actually think they’re Christians; even though what they constantly call ‘family values’ are as anti-Christian values as is possible.

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      1. idamag July 25, 2015

        I wonder what they thought of the takers who were provided fishes and loaves without working for them. I wonder how much Jesus charged for the fishes and loaves. How much did he charge for healing the sick, the blind and the lame? Hmmmm.

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      2. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

        Dig it. Those are what I refer to as Sunday School Conservatives. They’re a sanctimonious lot, aren’t they? They speak the word without ever having heard the word.

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    2. angelsinca July 25, 2015

      That’s the same spirit of repulsion that keeps Trump in the lead. Conservatives are repulsed by the condescension and demeaning stereotypes fanned by the left. Strike that. All reasonable and fair minded people that welcome equality are repulsed by the flames of division.

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  2. Dominick Vila July 25, 2015

    The energy that was once the catalyst that drove Republican orthodoxy is, indeed, fading away as most Republicans approach the realities of aging…and become keenly aware of the effects of the anti-social stands they advocated in the not too distant past. That, however, does not mean they have abandoned classic fiscal and social conservatism, and that they are suddenly going to sing the praises of Affirmative Action, equality, or welfare.
    What we are seeing, when we analyze the rise of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, is a serious anti-establishment movement by a significant portion of the electoral – both on the right and left of the political spectrum, eager to listen to solutions and a vision, over the platitudes expressed by traditional establishment politicians. Sometimes, as is the case for Trump, they simply enjoy the expressions of discontent directed at politicians who they thought were going to address issues important to them, only to learn that once they arrive in Washington they became as rational as anyone keen on governance and the well being of the people ought to be.
    The anti-establishment rebellion in 2016 is likely to impact establishment politicians such as Jeb Bush, as much as Hillary Clinton. It may not be long before Democratic party establishment politicians join their Republican cousins in attacking their respective nemesis.

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    1. Independent1 July 25, 2015

      Do you suppose that there’s even the barest chance, that Jeb’s outright statements of wanting to phase out Medicare, will wake up seniors who have been voting Republican, to just how uncaring establishment Republicans have become in really caring about the long-term welfare of aging Americans??

      Is it delusional to expect that something like the healthcare disaster Jeb is proposing will actually wake many totally misguided seniors up??

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      1. oldtack July 25, 2015

        That statement by Jeb Bush may be the shot that will awaken the old time Republicans to the reality that the Party they once revered and supported has been supplanted by a new insisidous breed of politicians that ., under the guise of Republicanism, invaded and corrupted the GOP. I think that statement will foment a backlash that will crumble the structure of this quasi Republican Party. I look for many of the old line conservative Republicans to break ranks ans vote Democrat. Bush has no concept of the importance of Medicare in the existence of our elderly. Without Medicare many would perish.

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        1. Independent1 July 25, 2015

          I certainly hope you’re right. Republicans like Jeb, and most likely the rest of the GOP clown-car candidates, are stuck in the misguided notion that the only way America can deal with its 18 trillion in debt is through, austerity – budget cuts, short changing social programs, letting our infrastructure continue to crumble, and letting all programs go except defense. They are just too blinded to see that the true way to pay-down the debt, is through a strong economy, with increased wages for everyone – creating more jobs, so tax revenues exceed spending and therefore allow for paying-down the debt. They’re stuck in the same mode as Germany and some other EU countries that are forcing unreal hardships on the people of Greece.

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          1. idamag July 25, 2015

            Look what austerity did to Greece.

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          2. angelsinca July 25, 2015

            It’s more like, ‘ look at what Greece did with austerity’. Basically, the nine austerity measures have all been too little too late. By the time they took action to control its debt in 2010, the GDP had already dropped by nearly a fourth, unemployment & poverty were already rampant, and the political corruption was deeply ingrained. They only cut gov’t spending, causing a back-breaking burden on an already ailing social fabric, doing nothing to stimulate its economy by easing over-regulation on business or trade, or taking measures to improve its GDP or to control the downward spiral of recession.

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          3. JPHALL July 25, 2015

            Do not forget ther inability to collect taxes.

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          4. Independent1 July 25, 2015

            Sorry, but Ida is quite right that it was Austerity that not only doomed Greece but is keeping even Europe in the doldrums. And Greece was in no worse financial condition in 2008 than America was, in fact America had and has far more debt. But what’s the difference, is that Europe forced Greece to impose austerity, while Obama applied an almost 900B stimulus which halted the job slide, encouraged private sector investment in the recovery, which together kick started our economy, increase GDP and thereby reducing our debt to GDP load.

            Whereas, because austerity will never kick start any economy, and in fact will only enforce a continuing slide into even worse economic conditions, while America’s debt fell compared to GDP, the reverse happened in Greece – the Greece debt to GDP skyrocketed as GDP fell off as the economy further tanked and their debt increased.

            And all of that WAS CAUSED BY THE WORST THING THAT CAN BE DONE DURING A RECESSION – WHICH IS TO IMPOSE AUSTERITY!! HOOVER PROVED THAT IN SPADES IN THE 1930S WHEN HIS REFUSAL TO IMPLEMENT A STIMULUS ENDED UP SLIDING AMERICA AND THE WORLD INTO THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

            See a larger explanation on this from businessspectator.com:

            Why Europe’s austerity experiment is doomed to fail

            Here are some excerpts:

            But even on this data, the narrative doesn’t entirely fit the “Greek is a basket case” narrative. Unemployment in Greece was 8 per cent when the crisis started in 2008, well below the 12 per cent peak in 2000, and it had been trending down (it continued to fall in the early days of the crisis). In the USA, unemployment was higher in 2008 than in 2000, and rose rapidly to reach 10 per cent in late 2009 — the same level as for Greece (see Figure 2). So Greece had been improving over the early 2000s while the USA had been treading water, and the downturn in the USA was much sharper and faster than in Greece.

            From then on however, the “basket case” narrative looks convincing: US unemployment started to fall from that date, while Greek unemployment skyrocketed to a staggering peak of 28 per cent in late 2013. So Greece is in a second Great Depression, while America is emerging from a serious crisis, but not something on the scale of the 1930s.

            Instead, the rise in public debt began after the crisis in both countries — and this occurred earlier in the US than in Greece. The blowout in Greek public debt began in earnest in 2010, two years into the crisis — when government debt in the US had already begun to taper. Its fell sharply in 2012 but is now rising even more sharply, while government debt in the USA is actually falling as a percentage of GDP.

            http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/23/european-crisis/why-europes-austerity-experiment-doomed-fail

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          5. Max_ July 25, 2015

            You people can blather on about all this phony BS but the reality of the matter is the USA is Bankrupt!!! and on the verge of total collapse, All we can do now is get into a war or go ahead and fall, So be on the lookout for a contrived reason to go to World War one that has already been fought out in computer simulations one that leaves the USA decimated and whats left of its citizenry in servitude to the rest of the World for decades and maybe even centuries…

            You like data and statistics, look at these ten year projections at this military contractors site, Deagle is a very highly respected Military contractor, the information is compiled through all the best resources and run through super computers, Just one thing you should know the 65 million figure is not how much lower the population is, it is the population.. Also check out all the other NATO countries “Just for Fun”…

            http://www.deagel.com/country/United-States-of-America_c0001.aspx

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          6. Hermit July 26, 2015

            Hey Max it looks like you’re just trolling but I have to say you are an interesting troll, and this info is also very interesting, how? I don’t really know but interesting just the same.

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          7. Max_ July 26, 2015

            Thanks, You have earned my respect…

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          8. angelsinca July 26, 2015

            The US and Greece have entirely different economies and different circumstances driving the debt. It is a mistake to apply one-size-fits-all logic to the effects of austerity (and everything else for that matter). Greece has more federal corruption and tax cheats.

            Their economy is heavily based on tourism with a very high proportion of small businesses (less than 10 employees) that were already heavily taxed when the go’t increased taxes to try to make up for a failing GDP, causing many of the small businesses to fold, compounding the negative effects of austerity IN THIS CASE.

            The US debt continues to grow, at a slower rate, but is still growing. By the time Obama leaves office, it the debt will be more than $20T. Not sure how this is good for the country.

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          9. Independent1 July 26, 2015

            The differences are immaterial!! You can’t identify ONE INSTANCE in which austerity has fixed ANY ECONOMY!!

            Every European economy is still in the doldrums after almost 6 years of trying austerity!!!!!!!!

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          10. JPHALL July 26, 2015

            Do not forget Japan’s more than 10 years of austerity.

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          11. Independent1 July 26, 2015

            Good point.

            Why is it, that Conservatives don’t seem to understand that paying down the debt of a government, isn’t the same as paying down some’s personal debt or the debt even of a company?

            Households and companies that are in debt, generally have a fixed income stream, so if they cut back on spending for non critical expenditures (not expenses needed for them to continue to live or stay in business), the monies not spent on the noncritical expenditures, can be used to pay down their debt.

            Unfortunately, governments don’t work that way, at least not federal governments; when they get in trouble with debt which may throw them into a recession (like Greece was in 2008 and the U.S.), not only is their debt up, but almost invariably, tax revenues are down; meaning that budgets have to be cut drastically to make up for the lost revenues on top of the money needed to pay down the debt.

            So what usually happens here, is that the budget cutting results in slowing down the economy even more, which suppresses tax revenues even more – and what you end up get is a downward spiral that has an economy just muddling along – sometimes for years – like Japan and Europe now.

            It would be like a household trying to pay down its debt, cutting what they spend on gas for the car, so they can now only work 3 days a week instead of 5; thereby cutting money out of their income which would throw the whole pay-off the debt process into a worthless exercise.

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          12. Max_ July 26, 2015

            The USA was the only Government on Earth that could just print up some more dough when ever it wanted, we could get away with it with the biggest military along being the Worlds reserve currency which put the dollar in high demand, (But Not Any More) we have gone to war killed and assassinated people over this privilege and power, we have abused this privilege and power no end, we also have the PRIVATELY owned Federal Reserve feeding off of the American people like a tick, printing up what ever we need and then loaning it to us at interest, But for corporations right now at least its pretty much FREE while the American peoples still have to pay interest on the monies the Government barrows from them in our name, which is and has been our down fall, If you only knew that the FED has bought up zillions in junk bonds and failed investments instruments from the banksters and transferred those debts to the American peoples, The real hidden debt is estimated to be in the quadrillions.. Mathematically Un-payable…..
            And even though the real debt is not really ours the American peoples ARE on THE HOOK for it every last penny of it, just like the EU hung a ton of debt on Greece that was not theirs, Greece should of left the EU like Ice Land did but their leadership was scared into betraying their own people and staying, I don’t think we have heard the last in this case the people may just rise up to save their islands and resources from being sold off at fire sale prices a themselves from slavery under crushing austerity..

            And I hope they do rise up and save themselves…

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          13. JPHALL July 27, 2015

            Yes, conservatives never see the relationship between revenue and debt
            Subject: Re: Comment on For Aging GOP Voters, The Times They Are A-Changin’

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          14. Independent1 July 26, 2015

            And if our debt is 20t when Obama leaves office, THE FAULT WILL BE THE GOP!! The GOP has been running the spending since 2011 because they have refused to accept any of his budgets!! The GOP has refused to pass his jobs bills or accept any of this budgets!! Jobs wills that the CBO estimated would have created 2-3 million more jobs, spurring the economy and boasting tax revenues!! So all the debt increases

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          15. paulyz August 2, 2015

            Obama went about 6 years “without” a budget meathead, plus ALL his “budgets” called for an increase in the debt ceiling, which would further increase BO’s HUGE $18 Trillion debt. BO ignored the Sequester also that was made to control spending, but how would any Democrat get a Liberal’s vote without giving you something from either someone else, or deeper debt?

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          16. Independent1 July 26, 2015

            If America’s debt hits 20T, it will be the fault of the GOP. The GOP has controlled the House since 2011 and therefore has controlled spending (ignoring the last 5 Obama budgets) and has refused to pass any legislation that would have helped create more jobs (like refusing to pass 2 of Obama’s jobs bills which the CBO had projected would create another 2-3 million jobs). The GOP’s refusal to act has thereby suppressed tax revenues, which has actually continued deficit spending – when had they been supportive of what Obama was requesting, we may have had surplus budgets the past 2-3 years and stopped adding to our debt.

            And don’t forget, a good bit of today’s deficits, are attributable to the unfunded tax cut that those earning under 400,000 still get; and to the unfunded drug benefit giveaway to Big Pharma that the irresponsible GOP Congress during Bush 2’s disastrous 8 years passed; and actually to some unfunded state mandates which our government subsidizes like No-Child-Left-Behind. Although Georgie Boy is out of office, the UNFUNDED LEGISLATION PASSED DURING HIS TERMS ARE STILL CREATING DEFICITS WHICH ARE ADDING TO OUR DEBT!!!!!!!

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          17. Max_ July 26, 2015

            It will be the fault of stupid Americans for thinking we could engage in never ending wars for corporate interests and for thinking we could tax and spend our way to some kind of socialistic nirvana.. Although I think if we could stop all the never ending GodDamnwar crap we could have cheaper if not free health care and cheaper if not free Higher education, but only if we first revamp the entire educational system to teach children to learn instead of indoctrinating them into being servile little worker citizens, and revamp the entire health care system away from the complete control of the corporate pharmacological industry….
            Orders must of come down from DNC high command to start preparing people for the economic catastrophe blame game.. Ha ha It cracked me up when I saw you guys trying to whitewash Margret Sanger all of a sudden the past couple of weeks, I think maybe because Hillary once said Margret was her hero and Margret is credited with starting planned parenthood and they have just been found to be a bunch of ghouls who engage in infanticide and then sell the pieces parts for a profit… Just gives ya the willies doesn’t it….

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          18. flyinjs February 1, 2016

            Max, what a difference 6 months ago huh! Now all the folks are getting indicted for creating the false movies about the selling of aborted baby parts

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          19. Max February 5, 2016

            All’s that proves is just how bad things rally are and just how corrupt the legal system really is, you can’t fake what was in those films, its like all the other whistle blowers that have been indicted and ruined for telling the truth through out Americas history, It is all made possible by idiots & FOOLS like you, I feel sorry for you, you’re so easy to manipulate and fool, without you the evil powers that be could not be…

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          20. angelsinca July 27, 2015

            So we agree the debt will be 20T when Obama leaves office. But you seem to be more concerned about blame than offering solution.

            Austerity would work if it were actually ever implemented. As pointed out by Forbes, “In reality, very few countries in Europe have actually reduced government spending. There have been riots in protest of proposed or imagined cuts in spending, but not much actual cutting.

            For those who have reduced government spending, the results have been better than the conditions experienced in the countries that have continued to expand government spending. If we actually look at the data, rather than simply making unsupported claims, a completely different picture emerges.”

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2013/08/01/austerity-in-europe-it-will-work-if-its-ever-tried/

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          21. Independent1 July 27, 2015

            Why is it you insist on either lying or distorting the facts every time you make a post. I didn’t blame anyone, I stated FACTS!! I said, if you’re going to place blame, the continued growth of our debt right now IS THE GOP’S FAULT.

            Had the GOP done anything positive to help job creation over the past 6 years, WE WOULD NOT NOW BE RUNNING DEFICITS!!!! AND THEREBY INCREASING THE DEBT SO WE WOULD NOT REACH 20T IN DEBT!!!

            The GOP has controlled spending for the past 5 years and has effectively implemented austerity spending which is going to keep an economy from incurring enough tax revenues to stop deficit spending and give the country money to pay down their debt.

            In addition, the GOP has refused to implement any legislation that would help kickstart the economy to create more jobs and hence increase tax revenues to help do what I said ab ove.

            And only someone totally clueless would have read my first post and not realized what the solution to our debt problem is: start spending on more government programs to encourage more private sector spending thereby creating more jobs and hence increasing tax revenues so that the deficit spending ends and the tax revenues become a surplus which Congress can then use to pay down the debt having stopped the debt from increaing.

            Only total morons like Conservatives can’t see that this is the only viable solution

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          22. angelsinca July 27, 2015

            So you aren’t placing blame. Got it. You lie again. The government programs promoted by democrats haven’t encouraged much private sector spending; welfare usually doesn’t . The constant rush by liberals to blame conservatives, and claim yourselves innocent of any wrongdoing, is why conservatism will always flourish. Most regular people don’t appreciate being led by ideological fools and their dishonest politicians.

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          23. Independent1 July 27, 2015

            You were the one placing blame in your initial post – You were clearly trying to blame Obama!! Nice try in deflecting LOSER!!!!!!

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          24. Independent1 July 27, 2015

            And instead of accepting the fact that Republican’s notions of austerity spending are a disaster, all you and the rest of you conservative LOSERS DO IS LIVE IN DENIAL AND KEEP DOING THE SAME FAILED POLICIES THAT RESULTS IN FAILURE!!!!

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          25. Independent1 July 27, 2015

            Why do you suppose it is that since 1900 hundreds, all the Republican presidencies have averaged 2.6% GDP growth while all the Dems have averaged 4.3%??

            Why do you suppose it is that the stock market during GOP presidencies since the ’29 market crash has actually seen a negative gain (less than ZERO) while under Dems the market has gained over 300%?? (Do you have a stock portfolio?? If so, if the balance is above zero, all the gains you’ve made came during Democrat presidencies.)

            Why do you suppose that during the Carter, Clinton and Obama presidencies, 40 million jobs have been created in 18 plus years, while Reagan and the 2 Bushes could only manage creating a paltry 20 million jobs in 20 years?

            Because liberals spent all their time blaming conservatives??

            NO!! BECAUSE ANY SANE PERSON CAN SEE THAT CONSERATIVE POLICIES ARE A DISASTER AND REFUSE TO TAKE THEM UP!! AND INSTEAD OF IMPLEMENTING FAILED POLICIES LIBERALS DO WHAT ACTUALLY HELPS THE NATION!!!!!

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          26. Louis Allen July 27, 2015

            angelsinca:
            Funny how this idiot Dependent1 needs 3 or 4 (consecutive) posts to TRY to counteract each one of yours.
            It is called dumb insolence.

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          27. paulyz August 2, 2015

            Gullible blind Liberals as you never search for the truth, only leftist propaganda that fits your beliefs. So now that the Democrats & Obama have been in control of the Fed. Gov. for quite some time, like 6 years, who will you “blame” for high gasoline prices for the entire time Obama has been President? Also, our rapidly increasing population due to ILLEGAL, & excessive Legal immigration, has caused us to become even more dependent on foreign oil, while increasing the necessity to produce more oil. There is also the matter of water shortages, pollution, poverty, unemployment, etc., due to Liberal policies.

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          28. flyinjs February 1, 2016

            Hey Paulz, look how times have changed since your post of 6 months ago. I never would have thought under President Obama that we would be pumping more oil than ever and the austerity policies of Europe and the over saturation of China trying to run at 11% GDP aka “open up the economy” Mr. Donald Trump are going well for the USA!

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          29. Independent1 July 27, 2015

            And by the way, all you have to do is look at what Mark Dayton did in Minnesota to verify what I just posted.

            Pawlenty ran Minnesota for 8 years, and during that time ran it with spending akin to what Eisenhower did in the 50 s when America muddled along in a quasi recession for 8 years and actually experienced 3 of them.

            Well, in Pawlenty’s 8 years, because of his austerity like spending, Minnesota accumulated 6 billion in debt and was only able to create around 6,200 new jobs during Pawlenty’s 8 years.

            When Mark Dayton (who’s a billionaire by the way) became governor, the 1st things he did was to raise taxes on the upper 2%, raised the minimum wage and edicted that women had to be paid the same salary as men for doing the same job.

            Guess what, after 4 years, not only did Dayton pay off Pawlenty’s 6 billion in debt, Minnesota now has a 1.2 billion surplus in its current budget, And not only that, but during Dayton’s 4 years, 172,000 new jobs were created, resulting in Minnesota now having the 5th lowest unemployment rate in the nation and being ranked as one of the 10 best states in the nation businesses. And why’s that, because businesses love states where people have money to spend and Minnesota’s average income is $8,000 higher than the national average.

            And all of what I just described is totally opposite of what Scott Walker has done in Wisconsin, where he has virtually trashed the state to where job creation there is now 46th in the nation.

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          30. paulyz August 1, 2015

            Another article with your Copy & Paste nonsense.

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          31. Independent1 July 27, 2015

            And if you really don’t think Republicans know how to dumb down and economy, just checkout this graph which proves that Reagan was a mediocre president and nowhere need the economic wonder you mindless Republicans keep trying to make him out to be. He couldn’t even match Nixon’s economics. And note that the economy performed better under every Democrat than under any Republican.

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          32. Independent1 July 27, 2015

            And sadly, Forbes publishes articles written by RWNJs;so that Forbes article which I’m not even going to bother checking out, IS FULL OF TOTAL BS!!

            And my post below, along with the graph below, along with what happened when Hoover tried austerity, and Eisenhower governed essentially governed with austerity spending -ALL PROVES WHAT I JUST SAID. THAT FORBES ARTICLE IS TOTAL BS!!!

            AUSTERITY WILL NOT ONLY NOT FIX AN AILING ECONOMY, IT ACTUALLY CREATES A DISASTROUS ECONOMY!!

            6 billion in debts over 8 years and a paltry 6,200 new jobs – in a state that paid off that debt in 4 years and created over 165,000 more jobs, ALL BY JUST UNDOING AUSTERITY SPENDING!!!!!!!!!! PROOF POSITIVE THAT AUSTERITY WILL NOT WORK EVER IN RUNNING A GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!

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          33. oldtack July 25, 2015

            Amen to that!

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        2. Bob Eddy July 25, 2015

          No. They will still blame Obama. These hard core, right wing Republicans are not an astute lot!

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          1. oldtack July 25, 2015

            I was referring to the elderly Moderate Republicans of long ago ( the geriatric crowd). These newer evangelical Tea Party “Christian” Radicals are nothing but kooks that will follow the NEW GOP into perdition. They are on the same level as Radical Muslims.

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          2. angelsinca July 26, 2015

            Too late, we’re already there, as delivered by the new wave progressive occupy democrats.

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      2. ikallicrates July 25, 2015

        If they were stupid enough to vote for George Bush the Lesser, they’re stupid enough to vote for Jeb Bush.

        Let me rephrase that. If they were stupid enough to vote for a Hollywood movie actor like Ronald Reagan, they’re stupid enough to vote for a ‘reality’ TV actor like Donald Trump.

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        1. Bob Eddy July 25, 2015

          And idolize one of the most corrupt administrations in history! How does a president that had around twenty people in his administration convicted of crimes — not suspected, not accused, not indicted but convicted — garner such admiration?

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          1. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

            Bob, you are thinking in 80 year old social conventions. Morality is a human construct. An epistemological failure of the solipsistic mind to ignore base human behavior.

            Ends, means and all that…….

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          2. ikallicrates July 25, 2015

            I remember those days well, and Reagan was not universally admired. The 1% loved him, of course, and they own the media, so we were constantly told that everyone loved him, and it has since become dogma. Don’t believe everything you read.

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          3. Independent1 July 25, 2015

            I’m assuming you’re referring to America’s worst president ever Reagan, who a right-wing idiot named Issa is now wanting to submit legislation to even enhance his corrupt memory further – by renaming the Atlantic Ocean to the Reagan Ocean.

            From my perspective, the fact that Washington’s major airports is named ‘Reagan International’, is akin to it being named ‘ISIS International’. As Reagan’s totally corrupt policies that continue to permeate the GOP, have been responsible for far more people in this world dying prematurely than ISIS has ever come close to killing.

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        2. JJ July 25, 2015

          You mean like the idiots who elected Obama will elect Clinton??

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          1. Dominick Vila July 25, 2015

            Neither Clinton nor Obama got us involved in two unnecessary and unfunded crusades, their economic policies did not bring the U.S. economy to the verge of collapse, and their policies did not result in losing 800,000 jobs a month. In fact, their policies achieved the opposite.

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      3. Dominick Vila July 25, 2015

        I can’t speak for anyone else, but this senior does not support “solving” the MEDICARE funding shortfalls by replacing it with a for profit system.
        The Social Security problem could be solved by raising the SS contribution cap to $250K, the same is true for MEDICARE. I support greater scrutiny into unnecessary medical tests, duplication, and Congress must do something to rein in the out of control cost increases charged by manufacturers of medical equipment and the pharmaceutical industry.

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  3. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

    Interesting analysis.

    I claim no affiliation or ideology but what I see is a death of traditional liberalism AND conservatism. Both the overreach from the left that attacks the natural order of the national identity, and the traditional conservatives being absolutely eviscerated by the #cuckservative movement being mainstreamed portends a massive realignment.

    Nobody likes a loser or to feel like one, but consider that you might be suffering a little psychological projection here.

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    1. Bob Eddy July 25, 2015

      You claim no affiliation or ideology? You stand for nothing?

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      1. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

        Weird intellectual leap there, friend. I merely advocate for reality and prosocial behavior. Religious fundamentalism on the right, and “multiculturalism” on the left are objectively anti-social.

        Hey man, it’s your civil war, not mine. I just keep cashing the checks.

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        1. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

          Multiculturalism is objectively anti-social? That sounds smart, but can you explain to a dumb ole country boy what it actually means?

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          1. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

            Segregate a prison population with ZERO contact between populations and see what happens 😉

            Your meat for whats coming to eat ya country boy!

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          2. 1standlastword July 25, 2015

            That manure you just wrote makes no sense the way you wrote it. A prison population with zero contact between populations!@#$???!!!

            Segregation in “prison” is a workable policy.

            Good grief!!

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          3. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

            Did you mean “You’re meat…” (as in “you are”? I guess I gave you too much credit, Squire. You’re not so bright, after all. Notwithstanding your obvious grammatical errors, what you seem to think passes for syntax, just sounds like word salad to people who are actually smart.
            But hey, you may justifiably take some comfort from the fact that you, at the very least, sound smart to stupid people. I’m sure your Mom’s very proud.

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          4. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

            Oh, you silly goose! I get pretty bored by like 9AM (cause my life is shamefully easy) so I drink a bunch. Affects my grammar fo’ sho’.

            Thing is though that morning margies are scrumtious!

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          5. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

            Prost!

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          6. 1standlastword July 25, 2015

            Manly Steal is an arrogant piece of work that specializes in hewing constructs together that don’t communicate truest intention: in other words a master of mystification. Stay away! This troll WANTS you to cudgel your brain to feed his sense of self importance

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          7. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

            Oh my! I seem to have upset you. Curious if you have any , oh I don’t know….ideas to share?

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          8. 1standlastword July 25, 2015

            Phuck off!!!

            LASTWORD

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          9. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

            Go argue your exceptional-ism with Bob Reich hahaha.

            http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027010125

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          10. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

            Hey Buddy, I’m impervious to wingnutz. You oughtta know that by now.

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          11. 1standlastword July 25, 2015

            You had me worried when you dignified midget Einstein for an explanation of his nonsense when we know already you get &hit from &hit and that is all you get

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    2. idamag July 25, 2015

      I admire anyone who does not have to be an ideologue. Since my great-great grandfather was one of the first Republicans, it saddens me to see what has happened to that once wonderful party. The Republicans have become the party of hate and the Democrats the party of wimps.

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      1. Manly Steal July 25, 2015

        Lol, don’t admire me I’m a bad person haha.

        The new right will be MUCH more poowerful and authoritarian and the left, the coalitions of gays, blacks, etc. will suffer staggering losses. White men have been running the world for centuries, and they aren’t just gonna give that up.

        The singularity has been had and what we see is the reaction (in Trump), the bifurcation, and the taking of very serious sides.

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        1. JJ July 25, 2015

          What rot

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        2. Looner July 25, 2015

          So say you …

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  4. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

    For a good time, see http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/ted-Cruz-McConnell-lie-senate/2015/07/24/id/658757/?Dkt_nbr=9u6zgiqf&nmx_source=TheNationalMemo&nmx_medium=widget&nmx_content=578&nmx_campaign=widgetphase2

    I happened upon this article on Newsmax relating to Ted Cruz calling Mitch McConnell a liar on the floor of the Senate. And while the article itself was interesting enough, the real fun lies at the bottom of it, wherein all the wingdings are fighting amongst themselves like Sunnis and Shiites. The raw stupidity on display by the odious dirtbags who habituate that rag will amuse you no end. No wonder the Greedy Ole Pricks are on the verge of self-immolation.

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    1. drdroad July 26, 2015

      You can see the same thing in almost any Newsmax article. Newsmax lives on this vitriol.

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      1. CrankyToo July 27, 2015

        You’re exactly right.

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    2. Louis Allen July 27, 2015

      Hey Cranky Plebe!
      You, more than everybody else here (except Lenora Whitaker and Independent1), should not be going around talking about “raw stupidity” and/or “odious dirtbags”.
      Lay low for a while. People are starting to realize what kind of a dumbass you are.

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  5. idamag July 25, 2015

    I think you have Donald all wrong. I think he is smarer than it seems and by his outrageous behaviour is trying to get the Republicans to see what they are.

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    1. Looner July 25, 2015

      I seriously doubt that. And that is based on his life time of behavior. Any people who think Trump is all that should take 5 minutes and actually learn about what “values” Trump has. Of course Trump is doing the Democrats and Independents a valuable favor, but it isn’t for anyone’s “benefit” but Trump.

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  6. 1standlastword July 25, 2015

    Cynthia Tucker…you break me up!!! LOL

    The GOP won’t apply any of these prescriptions because a Darwinian principle is at work here. Their fitness for survival is fading…slowly and consistently.

    Fear is their constant companion and that should be obvious as evidence to all astute analyst that their ending is a felt reality!

    It’s too late for this generation of Goopers to save themselves from political death.

    Once they can no longer surppres minority voters and gerrymander their way to victory–as we see some reforms taking place now in Florida and Arizona and soon other places as well, all I can conclude is “tolerant America” is about to hand them the Darwin award they’ve earned!!

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    1. JJ July 25, 2015

      Yes and we will all go down with the ship. This country is losing its values.

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      1. Looner July 25, 2015

        You mean the values of “White is Right” and the only Evangelical Christian people matter?

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        1. paulyz July 26, 2015

          And what are the “minority values”? Single parent families, same-sex unions, redisdribution of wealth, government dependency, etc.? Right away your prejudice shows by attacking White values. If you hate the way our Country became a haven for Millions of people from across the globe, then maybe it’s time for you to leave it.

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          1. Louis Allen July 27, 2015

            paulyz:
            Complete idiots like Looner (looney?), Plebe CrankyToo and 1standlast can NOT answer your simple but wise question: “What are the ‘minority values’ ??”
            The correct answer, of course (you will never hear it from these idiots), is that they have NO real values. They only have a set of beliefs with no foundation on economics, or on how the world functions, or on a basic understanding of how prosperity is created. Their one and only “value” is “Gimme, gimme, gimme” !!

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    2. CrankyToo July 25, 2015

      In the parallel universe inhabited by the GOP, the Darwinian principle you refer to has a different name. It’s “survival of the strangest”.

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  7. fortunev July 25, 2015

    Yes, indeed. It has been a long time coming. Years ago I sat in a barracks in Texas watching the Pettis Bridge riots on TV surrounded by my Afro American brothers in arms. Everyone silent. Warriors for our country. Civil rights under assault by racist crackers. On election day November 2009 I woke in a Death Valley Desert campground and turned on my car radio to hear that Barack Obama had been elected President of my country. The battles will continue and we will succeed in spite of the ignorance and hatred of stupid people.

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  8. JJ July 25, 2015

    Well written but there is a bunch if drivel in there. Republicans and many of their candidates are MUCH more proven than Obama and Dems at rebuilding America. The LEFT and Dems has the strategy of divide and conquer. Hate is not the issue, Lack of opportunity and poverty is.

    You and Americans are mostly ignorant of the rest of the world and how much bigotry exists. We are but 15% of the worlds population and have mighty stupid standards as far as racism goes. Grow up Dems and let someone come in who can actualy RETURN AMERICA TO GREATNESS

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    1. Independent1 July 25, 2015

      “Republicans and many of their candidates are MUCH more proven than Obama and Dems at rebuilding America.”

      Do you mean by chance “Proven losers??”

      The GOP has failed miserable in every presidency since Teddy Roosevelt.

      The GOP has averaged a paltry 2.6% GDP growth since Teddy whereas Democrats have averaged 4.3%. And with respect to the stock market, the net gain in the Market since the ’29 crash under Republicans has been ZERO!! Whereas under Dems it’s over a 300% net gain.

      And if you’re talking about jobs creation, just consider this, twice as many jobs were created in 18+ years under Carter, Clinton and Obama, than under Reagan and the two Bushes. A paltry 20 million in 20 years, vs the 40 million in 18+ years under the Dems.

      So I have NO CLUE, where you’re getting this BS that Republicans are “Much more proven”… PROVEN LOSERS!! ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!

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      1. Max_ July 25, 2015

        All’s you really had to say is no one is trying to build up America, in fact they are trying and succeeding at quite the opposite…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFCaKtDzuA

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        1. JPHALL July 25, 2015

          So Max, what do you proposed? Revolution? And whose revolution?

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          1. Max_ July 25, 2015

            What do you propose? That we just stay on this BS marry go round of Left Right Left Right Left Right straight to Hell?…
            It’s all just a show, nothing thats truly good for the PEOPLE as a whole ever comes from it just crumbs and tidbits as a carrot to keep the foolish masses believing in the system…. People always say liberals are stupid utopianists and while I do believe that most liberals are stupid, I think they are well meaning stupid people, the fact of the matter is a Utopian World is possible very possible if we can just get rid of the Idea of royalty, or that there is such a thing as a ruling class that is above the average human… And yes that may very well mean we need a revolution, a revolution of hearts minds and souls, as well as a overthrow of the current powers that be…

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          2. charleo1 July 25, 2015

            “My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.”

            “Those of us who loved him and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will some day come to pass for all the world.”

            “As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him:”

            “Some men see things as they are and say why.
            I dream things that never were and say why not.”

            Taken from the eulogy of Robert Kennedy.

            Now you can call that Utopian. But, you can’t call it stupid without embarrassing yourself.

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          3. Max_ July 25, 2015

            I don’t know what that has to do with what I said or posted but I am sure it looked and sounded deep to you… I am a real fan of the Kennedy’s by the way, I think JFK was the last real president we had…. Robert was a little more elitist than Jack, as I remember…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HTr-F-FVM

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          4. charleo1 July 26, 2015

            Well of course you don’t know, don’t understand, are perplexed at what Ted Kennedy said at his Brother Robert’s funeral has to do in refuting what you claim to know about today’s Dems. That’s either because you don’t know about the fundamental tenets of the Democratic Party. Or, you have decided in your lack of faith in our system of governance, to embrace nihilism. So you no longer dare to ask why, because you believe you know. As is testament to what is I’m sure, dozens of ready made, cynical, and condescending answers, as to not only why a thing can’t be done. But why whatever it is, shouldn’t be done at all. I guess we might characterize you as disgruntled, and confused to the point of paralyzation. You’re not happy with the status quo, but damned if you can can make a cogent case for anything, or anyone that might make a positive difference. Save for some grand epiphany taking place within the collective conscientiousness of, “The People.” Whoever they are. And, ostensively, this moment of unified clarity, would not only agree with all your opinions. But also serve to inform, and broaden them. But those Liberals as you say. They are all just a bunch of well meaning, pie in the sky, Pollyannas, too stupid to take seriously. Well, I’ll say this to you in all respect for your opinions of me, and my Party. If one has no faith in the possibilities of progress without such an unlikely occurrence as you describe taking place. It is impossible to see where this is a strategy for anything but the status quo. The retrenchment of, and the building on that. To simply be against that which is, does not a path forward make.

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          5. Max_ July 26, 2015

            Pollyannas, too stupid to take seriously.

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          6. charleo1 July 26, 2015

            Mindless opposition Max, is a path to nowhere.

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          7. Max_ July 26, 2015

            That’s why I would never fallow you or yours…

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          8. charleo1 July 26, 2015

            That’s, “follow,” Max. But, the more important questions are, where do you want to go, and how do you propose to get there?

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          9. Max_ July 26, 2015

            Yeah I am on my phone little touch screen buttons and old eyes.. I have already left, my entire family has relocated out of this insane asylum, almost 80 people in all……….. So have a lot of other folks with the means, and I mean a lot .. I am only here on business.. The USA is a lost cause for the time being, it needs to fall so people can get a moral compass again and fight for real Freedoms and real Liberties, you folks are so spoiled rotten you’re fighting for your own demise and enslavement… You like to call yourself s Liberals but you are all just a bunch of ninnies..

            These folks are real Liberals fighting to fix real problems..
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z30QqiA9s8U

            And I certainly don’t want to go where you are going, and we don’t have long now until we will have no choice, I say September October, we’re done… They will wait until winter is upon us that way they only have half the country to worry about, of course there will be some fabricated reason some perfectly reasonable fictitious story for what ever happens but it will be the end of the USA the dollar is done,……

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          10. JPHALL July 26, 2015

            That is kind of an obtuse answer. What can be realistically done? What is the alternative to what we have. Like the “Who” said, “I hope we don’t get fooled again.”
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          11. Max_ July 26, 2015

            For one thing we can get back to a Representative Constitutional Democratic Republic for the people by the people instead of this Fascist corporate kleptocracy we now have.. You people are just so blinded by your need to have false power over others you can’t see that Obama and all the Congressional leadership are all just as bad as the Bush’s and the Clinton’s because they are all Globalists working towards the same ends, It’s been slow and incremental up until now but they finally feel like Americans are Dumb enough and weak enough to finish us off with a cult of personality leader Like Obama and they are…. I am by no means, way, shape, or form a Republican I was in the very distant past but I gave up on our Government the entire Government post 9/11…. I may have gone with Ron Paul but they probably would have just killed him had he won…

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          12. JPHALL July 27, 2015

            That explains your ignorance of the reality. The US has never been a “Representative Constitutional Democratic Republic” as you envision. From the days of the Articles of Confederation until now the US has been led by an elite. Until fairly recently the majority of Americans could not vote. Until 1919 women could not vote except in Wyoming, Utah and Washington territories, then as states. And in most cases the majority vote is irrelevant. ie. the Electoral College. Subject: Re: Comment on For Aging GOP Voters, The Times They Are A-Changin’

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          13. Max_ July 27, 2015

            You’ll be lucky to be alive this time next year, Thanks to your beloved Obama, The times they are a changin, your little fantasy life is about to come crashing down all around you.. Poor Poor little lost sheep..

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          14. JPHALL July 27, 2015

            Another delusional right winger! I should have known. Obama is not responsible for all of America’s problems. In fact he is responsible for very few. Look in the mirror for the main cause of the problems in the US. People like you, who refuse to be realistic and live in their own little fantasy world and try to impose their fantasies on the rest of us.
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          15. Max_ July 27, 2015

            My point is Obama is an agent of that elite you spoke of, all the presidents since old-man Bush pushed his way into the Reagan admin. have been, and really since JFK… But Old man Bush kicked everything into high gear… It’s you who supports them it’s you who feeds into their system its you that has helped to bring us to this point in history, So yes things they are a changin, Good Luck to ya, you’ll need it..
            Poor Poor little lost Sheep…

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          16. JPHALL July 27, 2015

            What are you talking about. Your conspiracy theory holds no water. You are like Ron Paul helping push a run on the banks to prove the US economy is failing. Read a history book. The American political system has always provided an edge to the rich and powerful. Who do you think led the American Revolution the average citizen?
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          17. Max_ July 28, 2015

            Yes I am like Ron Paul a lot like Ron Paul but neither he or me is pushing a run on the banks, That’s just nuts, All fiat currencies run their course and fail… I take it you fancy yourself this blogs guard dog, I was growing board with you folks but If you’ed like when I get home I could come here everyday and make all you pups look like the Dumb@sses that you are…… I came over trailing daves you know daves he’s a troll, although I must say he is a very polite troll but a troll just the same, I don’t like professorial trolls especially ignorant ones, that’s when the Independent1 attacked me, and well the rest is history.. It seems like we are all in Minnesota, at the moment, are you guys some kind of political organization? You see the thing about the elite is they are masters at getting idiots like you folks to further their causes, they have been studying and manipulating Humans for millennia and in the last few centuries they have refined their methods with unlimited financial means and all the most cutting edge science and they are now a highly sophisticated technocracy, so yeah you think you are fighting the good fight but in reality you’re just doing exactly what they want…. Like I keep saying Good Luck to you folks, you really are going to need it,
            I know you think I am just another Right winger as you put it, but I am not… I do know what I am talking about…. You really better”gird up your loins”…. Before winter………………

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          18. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            Just more fantasy. You modern Libertarians are now just as bad as the right wingers. So mabt fantasies, no evidence. You are so busy trying to realize your fantasy that lies have become you whole point of being. So sad to be so delusional. By the way, we are living in the last days. Yeah right!
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          19. Max_ July 28, 2015

            Not the last days just the end of things as you spoiled rotten little$hits have known them.. If you don’t want to listen to my advice, fine don’t, but when your life is upside down just remember you had a real heads up…
            Good night now poor poor lost little sheep…

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          20. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            Yes, please go away and live in your little fantasy world where you know things others do not. What a loser. By the way, have you bought your bunker and supplies to survive your end of our world event. yet? If not. I can sell you what you need!
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          21. Max_ July 28, 2015

            Why yes I have, I think we have already been over this..
            My family bought a pretty good sized ranch down in the Patagonia region of Chile, we moved over 80 members of our family, extended family and some very close friends down there, and we certainly are not alone in doing this, Obama’s trying to make it difficult with new international Banking — IRS laws, (“Another subject all its own”) it is really hard for expats, we are really lucky to have the means to get past these laws…

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          22. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            Congratulations fool! You have joined the great fraternity of idiots who have since the 1950’s bought into every end of the world scenario presented to them. The question I have for you is how are you going to get there when everything crashes? Magic beans? I am glad to hear you are prepared. Good riddance to you and yours, since I see you already know that you can no longer cause a run on the banks because of currency law changes.
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          23. Max_ July 28, 2015

            It’s not the end of the World, You know I am sure that in the 1930’s and 40’s there were people saying you’re a Damnfool for leaving Germany.. Ha ha ha ha
            Don’t worry about me My son fly’s me around, And we still own a lot of properties and have several business interests up here, that’s why I am here..
            I will be here until after the Mecum Action in Monterey,Ca.. That ends Aug 15th..

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          24. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            So you are planning to sell your cars? Do not forget to sell all your property and businesses before you leave. Bye bye.
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          25. Max_ July 28, 2015

            No no I am buying a boat load, or as many as I can anyway, Hot-Rods are all the rage in South America… And I like em too… {;~)

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          26. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            Be careful when you get fuel! Also be careful who you tell your plans to. The drug cartels will love you for bringing them more wealth!
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          27. Max_ July 28, 2015

            Why don’t you try being a real Liberal and quit quoting George Soros the real demon the real Nazi collaborator the real crasher of currencies, He’s the one shorting the USA as we speak, and try to do something real and constructive? Like these folks…..
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z30QqiA9s8U

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          28. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            Take your medication and go to sleep. Everyone has their agenda and Soros is less a problem than the Koch Brothers. It is so funny that you agree with Putin and other antidemocratic leaders that Soros is a demon. Also I saw that video from the nutcase Ron Paul. I also watched the video by your supposed savior Jared Kelly. I recognized the stupidity when you first mentioned your little hideaway in a third world country. Personally I would try Switzerland or the Nordic countries as my hideaway. Less chance of criminal activity.
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          29. Max_ July 28, 2015

            They wouldn’t let you live in Switzerland hell Oprah can’t even live there Ha ha, Yeah I like Ice Land but its kinda cold and it was a family vote and Chile won for a verity of reasons mostly business opportunities, stable government, banking, and Gun laws..
            And Soros really is evil, I wasn’t aware that Putin didn’t like him, And what video from Dr Paul? Jared Kelly savior? I guess all’s one can do is warn you if you don’t listen then you’re just going to have to live with it .. Did you see that Deagel military contractor site info? I don’t care what you say that is very interesting…….. Like I said before that isn’t down 65 million its down too 65 million……… Also check out all the NATO countries…
            http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

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          30. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            I have lived through the supposed communist takeover in the 50’s, WWIiI in the 60’s and 2000’s, the coming race wars of the 70’s – 90’s and the other panics that have seized the right wing over these many years. At this stage in my life I prefer to live my life as opposed to being afraid all the time. Enjoy your paranoia.
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          31. Max_ July 28, 2015

            Thank you, enjoy your bliss…..

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          32. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            I do. Enjoy your paranoia.

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          33. Max_ July 28, 2015

            My brothers comment on political sites as-well, Our Sons are very political too, My older brother won’t even talk to liberals, but I like to as a psychological study of sorts, I will talk to most anyone even stupid die hard Republicans,, peoples information filters always amaze me,, even at my age… We have a good mix of ex Democrats and ex Republicans in our down south community, they finally saw the light, the entire Government is corrupt beyond all imagination.. There really is no saving it..
            The Times they are a changin… Good Luck,, Really…

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          34. JPHALL July 28, 2015

            That’s nice. ‘Now go away. Life is too short for paranoia.

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          35. Max_ July 28, 2015

            Yeah everyone is out drinking, I don’t drink, besides there’s to many bugs, I hate bugs, so as long as I can be a thorn in your side I think I’ll just play with the Liberals… I have to get up early though so I will have to go to bed pretty quick, we gotta ride in a helicopter tomorrow, I hate flying in those things… It’s supposed to be windy too, ugh!….

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          36. Max_ July 28, 2015

            So howbout that Hillary Ha ha… And How about those gruesome planned parenthood videos? they just give ya the willies don’t they?

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          37. Allan Richardson July 30, 2015

            Ron Paul is making a series of ads which advocate making a run on the banks to invest in the product he is selling for his own profit. Telling everyone to pull your money out of the bank because it is going to fail is exactly what will CAUSE it to fail. This is exactly what FDR had to contend with, and why one of his first actions was to close the banks for a few days, with no notice, then go in and examine their books. The sound banks were allowed to reopen, with Congress shortly afterward passing the FDIC legislation, and the unsound ones were forced to sell to sound ones. Then, the Glass-Steagal Act forced banks which were handling the public’s savings and spending money to use more stringent rules for selecting investments than “investment banks” which financed high-rolling corporate deals; the former were rewarded by having their DEPOSITORS (not the stockholders, who in theory could still lose their investments in the banks) protected, lessening the chance that the bank WOULD fail (and also providing some protection to bank stockholders), while the latter had to deal with the reality that, as in any other business, you could win or you could lose, but the failure of an uninsured investment bank would not bring down the economy.

            The libertarians are against legislation that holds them accountable for harming others, because that limits how much they could conceivably earn with their investments. And many of them are under the misconception that “inflation” is caused by moving away from the gold standard, or the silver standard. The reality is that, as industrialization proceeded, the total amount of actual WEALTH to be exchanged grew much faster than the amount of gold, silver, platinum, or any other precious mineral. The result was not inflation, but DEFLATION, restricting business activity from growing. There’s a reason for those 5 cent loaves of bread in the 1930s: there was not a big enough money supply to circulate, so it was more difficult to get 5 cents to buy a loaf of bread then than it is today to get $2-3 to buy a loaf of bread.

            Ron Paul, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the others who are telling radio and TV audiences that there is a financial crisis coming are partly right: there is a shortage in the money supply TO WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, even while the total supply of money, and physical wealth, is increasing, but going to the top level wheelers and dealers. But the actions they are urging on their audiences are the actions which will only make THEM richer, not the audiences, and are likely (on purpose, I suspect) to CAUSE THAT CRISIS they are “warning” us about.

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          38. Max_ July 30, 2015

            You’re stupid….

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    2. drdroad July 26, 2015

      America is great! Certainly greater than it was when it was drawn by a Republican President into an unnecessary and expensive (in terms of both American lives and $$). And if we get another Republican president, we all know war is on the horizon! No thank you, I’ll take a Democratic president who can keep us great, and not embarrass us again.

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  9. JJ July 25, 2015

    WAKE UP lefties. Rome is burning and you want to elect another Obama. He has helped us get further disintegrated and ruined.

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    1. Bren Frowick July 25, 2015

      You clearly haven’t the slightest clue what you’re talking about…

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      1. Dusty July 25, 2015

        Hey, I’m sure it’s verbatim to what FOX ‘news’ told them to say. But for his sake I hope Rome is Burning and we get another Obama…if not better. 🙂

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        1. Independent1 July 25, 2015

          Ditto!!!

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      2. Looner July 25, 2015

        Ditto 2 … These right wingers don’t even have the power to actually look around and see for themselves, or live in a state with a Republican Gov that is destroying their state, like Brownback.

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    2. Independent1 July 25, 2015

      Disintegrated and ruined??

      With the stock market having virtually tripled during his 6 years and millions of Americans retirements having been saved??

      With more jobs created the last 5 plus years than in the 12 years the 2 Bushes were in office – and rapidly approaching the most actual new jobs ever created during any president’s 2 terms in office? (Admittedly, many of those are low-paying jobs, but you can thank Reagan for that.)

      With America today, for the 1st time in history, leading the world in energy production??

      With America’s deficit spending today, having been reduced further and faster than by any other president in American history?

      With more High School graduates having been able to afford college than under any previous president – because Obama had the guts to cut the banks out of he loan process?

      With the number of illegal immigrants crossing our southern border at the lowest level in a couple decades, while Obama has deported more troublesome illegals that were costing us billions than any previous president?

      Do I need to go on?? I could for another 30 plus accomplishments that are truly beneficial to America – more than all the failed GOP presidents in office since Teddy Roosevelt combined.

      As Bren pointed out, you clearly don’t have a clue on what you’re posting!!!

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      1. Max_ July 25, 2015

        First of all the stock market is nothing but a mechanized controlled gambling casino, and right now all that is holding it up is dumb and desperate money All the bizillionairs are out and into metals land and hard assets.. The jobs thing is mostly part time and service jobs along with a lot of statistical manipulation… And the energy thing is pretty much over, that was mostly do to the fracking boom and now all those co’s are going under and on top of all that it has been discovered that all the estimates on the available oil were way wrong by almost 45%, but the good thing was we now have more natural gas than pretty much anyone only the American people are not reaping any rewards from that as they have developed the technology for mas transport and are selling it out of the country and keeping the price up.. As far as High school grads being able to get collage loans yeah they took the banks out so now anyone with a pulse could get a loan so all the collages and universities raised their tuition’s and that is going to be just another big balloon to burst as people are already defaulting on all those loans at record rates so what will we do next WE WILL HAVE TO FORGIVE ALL THOSE LOANS AND THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER WILL GET STUCK WITH THE BILL AGAIN… And the reason the number of illegals crossing the borders is down is number one no one is watching any more so who really knows and number two there is not enough money to be made here to make it worthwhile anymore seeings how the USA is now a collapsing empire on its way to becoming a third world nation in its own right… If you were to go on would you begin to describe the wonders of Obama care and how it was written for insurance co by insurance co’s and how it has doubled and even tripled the cost of insurance and forced many co’s into only offering part time work? which also helps to skew the employment statistics.. Maybe you would like me to go on and on?

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        1. flyinjs July 25, 2015

          I am flabbergasted that you could turn all the accomplishments into a Scott Walker dribble rant???

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          1. Max_ July 25, 2015

            Well then be flabbergasted, but I don’t really fallow Scott Walker…

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          2. Lynda Groom July 27, 2015

            He’s not along. Unfortunatly there might be millions who see the world throught that prism.

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        2. 788eddie July 26, 2015

          FAWOMFT, Max! Give it a rest. No one is listening, let alone agreeing with you.

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          1. Max_ July 26, 2015

            Yeah I kinda noticed that you people have no use for reality..
            Liberals prefer lies its your stock and trade, all you people hang around with is a bunch of Self aggrandizing pseudo intellectuals, who when in groups engage in nothing but mutual admiration and delusional conjecture, so of course when you’re in a cloistered circle much like our so called Representatives in Washington DC are in a cloistered circle you end up losing all contact with reality and find any and all references to reality Insulting False and most certainly a Lie, kinda like the inhabitants of Plato’s Cave rejected reality when the one man that escaped came back to tell them of the World…

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          2. 788eddie July 28, 2015

            Hey Max, I noticed how you like to use the phrase “you people” a lot in your commentary.

            Just a helpful hint: It is a good indication of built-in prejudice.

            BTW, I am and always have been a registered Republican; I’m just sad that the “wing nuts” have taken over. After they (and you) destroy what is left of my party, we (the moderates) will have a lot of work building it back up again.

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          3. Max_ July 28, 2015

            I am not a Republican I left the party post 9/11… And trying to turn” YOU PEOPLE” into a bigoted remark when its not even used in a racial or sexist or any other context that could remotely be seen as bigoted is a good sign that you are a hypersensitive P O S.. And most likely a liar as-well………….

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          4. Jan123456 August 2, 2015

            You promised me you’d learn about punctuation.

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          5. Max_ August 2, 2015

            Both of those comments are from when you made me promise..
            One is 7 days old one is 8 days old….
            But if I am commenting from a Android device all bets are off…
            I have been on the move quite a bit as of late… Sorry…

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    3. Looner July 25, 2015

      You mean with the stock market more prosperous than ever, business doing better and new businesses opening up after the ruin of Bush. More equality for all. More people have medical insurance. The nations #1 enemy captured and killed. So many more things … No, you WAKE UP you right wing NJ.

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      1. Max_ July 27, 2015

        You people are in for such a slap in the face; I can just see it you’ll be going but I thought the stock market was more prosperous than ever, business doing better and new businesses opening up after the ruin of Bush. More equality for all. More people have medical insurance. The nations #1 enemy captured and killed. And So many more lies … How could this be happening to us? It must be those DamnRepublicans, Yes it is those DamnRepublicans and those DamnDemocrats And don’t forget what Mark Twain said There are lies, damnedlies and statistics;. The back bone of the Liberal cult…. Don’t get me wrong I think the Republicans are nuts as-well especially people that call themselves conservatives and then support the Republican Party… They are just as nuts as you…

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    4. LEK56 July 26, 2015

      Do you even read?

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    5. 788eddie July 26, 2015

      Here is a reaction for you from a registered Republican (a MODERATE Republican: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

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  10. Looner July 25, 2015

    I really like that line ” But the nation, happily, has long been about the business of perfecting the union, coming closer to its creed of equality for all”. What the right wing doesn’t understand is the country is coming closer to the Constitution, not farther away.

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    1. Greg G July 28, 2015

      The Constitution emphasizes avoiding giving the federal government broad sweeping powers over everything like the tyrannical England.had. There is a reason our forefathers did not want career poiticians and returned to their businesses and pre-service lives after performing government service. It is to expressly prevent the federal government from controlling the people of this country, just the way that has happened over the last 70+ years. So in what way is the current government infringements on its citizens coming closer to the Constitution?

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    2. paulyz August 2, 2015

      You got is back-asswards, our Constitution was about equal opportunity, not equal income or results. The more the Federal Gov. creates more government dependent takers, the less ambition & more inequality we have. Add to this the Millions of unskilled Illegals getting on welfare & free stuff, it becomes ubsustaibable.

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  11. Aaron_of_Portsmouth July 25, 2015

    “…could drop any day given his propensity for saying dumb things…”

    That phrase alone points out a glaring weakness in the ideology of the Right. For decades now, that Wing has developed a fondness for putting its collective foot in its mouth which defies common sense.

    And then there’s the observation:”…Needless to say, GOP strategists are tearing their hair out, hardly believing their bad luck.”. Really? Even a child could have foreseen this train-wreck that is on-going, as we speak, in slow-motion.

    Perhaps “Larry, Moe, and Curly” could do a slide presentation for those so-called strategists on effective presentation, on proper speaking etiquette, and the inherent merits of less fire-belching(although the belching trick would be useful at a carnival).

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  12. etta.bartlett2 July 26, 2015

    =

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    1. LEK56 July 26, 2015

      get a life

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  13. LEK56 July 26, 2015

    Nice to know that George Bush Lite was the last Republican President.

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  14. terry b July 26, 2015

    Many of the republican party cannot overcome their innate need to support fascist views. In 1932, Hitler won by only denigrating less then 20% of the electorate. The GOP does that to 60% or more of the electorate. They count on ignorance to get past that. With the exception of Obama’s reelection they succeeded in 2014. Hopefully we will not see an actual rise of a fourth Reich. Democrat victory’s over the next 8 years will prevent that from occurring and hopefully return the republican party back to decency!

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    1. Greg G July 28, 2015

      First, politically speaking, far left democracy and socialism are much close to fascism than republican ideology on the right. Do your research. Moreover, your ignorance of continued inequality from the government (government officials can, you citizen cannot) is showing. The government likes watching you fuel the flames of squabbling while you cannot see past your own ignorance of the reality. And the more you fail to see how career politicians denigrate the American citizens and will continue to do so, the more foolish and ignorant (i.e., uninformed) you prove yourself.

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      1. terry b July 28, 2015

        You don’t sound very bight Greg. Would you call the Nazi’s fascists? I would as does the rest of the world. Democrats do not treat a majority of our people as 2nd class citizens as does the GOP. The original Nazi’s did that to less then 20% of their citizens. GOP does that to well over half of our citizens. You are surely to ignorant to even know what I am talking about. Hard to debate with someone who doesn’t seem to be very knowledgeable.

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  15. Louis Allen July 26, 2015

    So Cynthia Tucker, where have you been?!
    Seems that TNM “canned” you for a while during which time TNM readers (not the Gruber-types, the few smart ones) were supposed to forget that 2 months ago you uttered an unspeakable obscenity about a very respected, excellent world-known surgeon and gentleman, Dr. Ben Carson. You wrote about Dr. Ben Carson, whose boots you are not worthy to even lick with your insolent, twisted tongue, that he was “… the GOP’s latest black mascot, a court jester, a minstrel show.” You called this great man the GOP’s “token”.
    Incredible dumb insolence and stupidity.
    And then you demand respect for Barack Obama.
    P.S. – Cynthia dear, you are not in favor of blacks; you do not support blacks; you are in favor of blacks only if they: a) are leftist/liberals, and/or, b) if they never stray from the DemocRat Party that guarantees that they will receive “benefits” from the government for as long as they vote DemocRat.

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  16. Lynda Groom July 27, 2015

    Fear and confusion over the future is nothing new. Each generation feels the world is falling apart before their eyes as it gazes upon the upcoming one. However, for the older GOP faithful this fear has become a religion all its own. In this modern age of instant availablity of information, both real and imagined, the pace and impact has grown exponentially.

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  17. 13factfinder July 27, 2015

    But for right now…………….TRUMP/CRUZ 2016!

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  18. Greg G July 28, 2015

    If there is supposed to be “equality for all”, then where is it? Liberal perspectives merely strip all those who worked hard and reward those who aren’t willing to work — especially the government representatives in Washington, D.C. who don’t believe in their own equality for healthcare, retirement, and other areas as demonstrated by their special cases of self-importance that show they think themselves better than the whole country. They strip everyone of their rights except for themselves by granting special exemptions (why aren’t they subject to the same Obamacare that they forced on us citizens or why do they keep getting special benefits after retirement?). Yeah, that’s really not “equality for all”, is it? Only the government and government officials are allowed to be more equal than all of us Americans to do what they want and have what they want. And we squabble amongst ourselves like fools…

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    1. Allan Richardson July 30, 2015

      You do realize that “government officials” includes members of both parties? And yet, when one party proposes, “You know, we have it pretty good; why shouldn’t ALL Americans have the security of not knowing whether their lives could be saved if they get sick, or whether their SAVINGS can be saved along with their lives?” the other party says “NO, we can’t afford it!” all the while fighting unnecessary wars (which only create enemies to provide an excuse for the NEXT war) and not raising taxes on those who could easily afford it to pay for those wars. And even when ACTUARIAL FACTS show that the health care plan, imperfect as it is, is actually REDUCING costs and bad health outcomes for millions, that party INSISTS on completely wrecking the plan rather than improving it (if you believe the “replace” part of “repeal and replace” actually exists, I have a bridge to sell you).

      As for the specific part of “exempting themselves” from Obamacare, the whole idea of the ACA is to help those who COULD NOT OTHERWISE obtain, or afford to pay for, health insurance. Anyone whose employer provides health insurance without overcharging (between 9 and 10 percent of each paycheck) on the employee’s share, is not ELIGIBLE for Obamacare; this was one of the things Republicans insisted on in order to pass it (then they still didn’t vote for it after all their proposals were included in it). And if government officials, including members of Congress, DID NOT HAVE a plan paid for by taxpayers, they would indeed “have to” use Obamacare. They could vote away their own health plan tomorrow if they wanted to, but don’t hold your breath.

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      1. Jan123456 August 2, 2015

        oops, wrong person to reply to.

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    2. Jan123456 August 2, 2015

      Greg, Not only is congress and all its lower paid staffers subject
      to the same Obamacare the rest of us are, they have a restriction that
      NONE of the rest of us have…that their employer CANNOT provide them
      with healthcare. This “exempt” thing is just another right wing
      talking point that, as so many of their talking points are, to be short
      on fact and context while it is long on outrage.

      Read about the Grassley amendment.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/

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      1. paulyz August 2, 2015

        Let’s see if that actually happens first.

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        1. Jan123456 August 2, 2015

          Let’s see if that happens??? What is “that”?

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          1. paulyz August 4, 2015

            THAT is what you were discussing, Congress living under all the Laws they legislate.

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          2. Jan123456 August 5, 2015

            You said,”Let’s see if that happens first,” Since the ACA was passed years ago and congress is not only currently living under its precepts, but actually has restrictions not on the rest of us, I didn’t understand what you meant. I still don’t.

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          3. dpaano November 9, 2015

            No body ever understands what Pauly says….don’t feel bad.

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