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Warning: Here's Why The Fed Can't Rescue Markets From AI Bubble

Warning: Here's Why The Fed Can't Rescue Markets From AI Bubble

While everything feels political now – a kind of fin de siècle chaos politics – I want to take a brief break from the political today. Instead I want to talk about asset markets and the Fed.

We could say that the US economy in 2025 was schizoid. On the one hand Donald Trump abruptly reversed 90 years of U.S. trade policy, breaking all our international agreements, and pushed tariffs to levels not seen since the 1930s. Worse, the tariffs keep changing unpredictably. This uncertainty is clearly bad for business and is depressing the economy. On the other hand, there has simultaneously been a huge boom in AI-related investment, which is boosting the economy.

As many people have already noted, the AI boom bears an unmistakable resemblance to the tech boom of the late 1990s — a boom that turned out to be a huge bubble. The Nasdaq didn’t regain its 2000 peak until 2014.There’s intense debate about whether AI investment is similarly a bubble, which I would summarize as a shoving match: “Is not!” “Is too!” “Is not!” “Is too!”

While my personal guess is that AI is indeed in the midst of a bubble, I won’t devote today’s post to that debate. Instead, I want to talk about one recent aspect of market behavior that is very striking and carries strong echoes of the tech bubble a generation ago. Namely, AI-related stocks, like tech stocks back then, are reacting very strongly to perceptions about the Fed’s short-term interest rate policy.

Now as then, these strong reactions don’t make sense.

To see what I’m talking about, consider recent moves in stock prices closely related to AI. This chart shows movement over the last month of Bloomberg’s “Magnificent 7” stock index:

bloomberg magnificent 7 Source: Bloomberg News

During most of that month, these stocks were falling, as concerns that AI is a bubble increased. But on Monday the Mag7 index surged, erasing a large fraction of the losses. Why? Analyst chatter about supposed causes of stock market swings should always be taken with many grains of salt. But it’s clear that this surge was catalyzed by remarks by Fed officials which the market interpreted as making a cut in the Fed Funds rate next month more likely.

Some of us have seen this movie before. For those who haven’t, there is a pervasive view that the deflation of the 90s tech bubble was something that happened all at once — a Wile E. Coyote moment in which investors looked down, realized that there was nothing supporting those high valuations, and the market plunged. In reality, however, it was a long, drawn-out process, punctuated with some significant dead cat bounces along the way. Here’s the Nasdaq 100 over the relevant period (the gray bar represents the 2001 recession):

FRED NASDAQ 100 index Source: NASDAQ via FRED/St.Louis Federal Reserve (stlouisfed.org)

Measured against the awesome scale of the ultimate tech-stock decline, the temporary rallies along the way don’t look that big. But they were actually huge compared with normal stock movements. Let’s look at a closeup:


FRED NASDAQ 100 Index tech bubble Source: NASDAQ via FRED/St.Louis Federal Reserve

What drove these temporary bouts of optimism? At the time the conventional wisdom was that they were the result of Fed interest rate reductions and the prospect of further cuts. In fact, many observers used to argue that the stock market was underpinned by the “Greenspan put”: Don’t worry about a crash, Uncle Alan will ride to the rescue.

And after Monday’s stock price spurt, it’s clear that belief in a “Fed put” has made a modest comeback.

Indeed, the graph below shows the numerous rate cuts as the tech bubble burst:

But while these rate cuts did create brief bouts of, well, irrational exuberance, they did nothing to prevent the tech bubble from eventually deflating.

Why couldn’t Greenspan rescue tech stocks? To answer that question, think about why interest rates matter for asset prices: Lower interest rates reduce the rate at which investors discount expected future returns. A dollar delivered to you X years from now has a higher “present value” (that is, a higher current value) if interest rates are one percent than if they’re six percent. How much higher depends on X, the number of years until you receive it.

For example, a house can last for generations, and it delivers value to its owner in the form of a place to live over the years. That stream of housing consumption over the years is worth more – has a higher present value -- when the interest rate is one percent than when it is six percent. Or to put it another way, if you can make six percent on your money in a bank deposit, you may be better off renting rather than buying. That’s why the demand for houses is strongly affected by mortgage rates.

Interest rates matter much more for the value of assets that will still be yielding returns 10 or 20 years from now than they do for assets that will only yield returns for a few years.

That is, the value of assets that have a short economic life is much less affected by interest rates. Not surprisingly, economists have consistently had a hard time finding evidence for any effect of interest rates on business investment.

Moreover, investments in digital technology tend to have an especially short half-life, precisely because rapid technological progress quickly makes equipment and software obsolete. How valuable will data centers currently under construction be 5 years from now? Will they be worth anything 10 years from now? A realistic answer to these questions surely implies that the Fed’s interest policy should have little to no impact on Mag 7 valuations, or the sustainability of the tech boom.

As we saw on Monday, however, Fed policy and rumors about future Fed policy can sometimes affect AI-stock prices in the short run. But by the straight economics, these movements are more the result of market psychology than of any objective assessment of future returns.

So as doubts about AI creep in, I’m hearing growing chatter to the effect that the Fed can and should save the industry. But the lesson from the last big tech bubble is that it can’t. In fact, I have doubts about whether the Fed can head off a broader recession if the tech boom collapses — but that’s a topic for a future post.

For now, my point is that if you’re worried about an AI bubble, don’t expect Jerome Powell or his Trump-appointed successor — rumors are not encouraging — to come to the rescue. They can’t.

Paul Krugman is a Nobel Prize-winning economist and former professor at MIT and Princeton who now teaches at the City University of New York's Graduate Center. From 2000 to 2024, he wrote a column for The New York Times. Please consider subscribing to his Substack.

Reprinted with permission from Paul Krugman.

Will Supreme Court Nix Trump Tariffs, Boost Economy -- And Aid GOP In 2026?

Will Supreme Court Nix Trump Tariffs, Boost Economy -- And Aid GOP In 2026?

From most accounts of the justices’ reactions, it seems they were unimpressed with the argument from Donald Trump’s lawyers about his power to impose tariffs at will. They had trouble convincing the Supreme Court that the beginning of Section 8 of the Constitution, which lays out the powers of Congress -- “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" -- does not actually mean that Congress has the power to impose taxes, including tariffs.

The conservative justices, all of whom have made a cult out of their supposed adherence to the original text of the Constitution, might find they would have to bend themselves into even more knots than usual to turn the plain wording of the Constitution on its head and rule in Trump’s favor.

It’s not just integrity that would push them to rule against Trump; it’s also clearly in the interest of the business community to have a tariff regime that doesn’t shift based on the president’s feelings. Businesses making long-term investments need to know whether their inputs will be available at relatively low tariff rates or whether Trump will suddenly whack them with a 50 percent tariff, as he has done repeatedly.

This certainly is also needed in the other direction. If a steel company is making investments in the U.S. based on a 50 percent tariff on imported steel, they need some guarantee that a foreign producer won’t make a bribe to Trump and get their steel admitted tariff free.

The existing tariff regime provided this certainty. Trump’s tariff of the day policy does not.

While Trump is warning of the end of the world if his tariff power is reined in, such warnings are about as serious as his healthcare plan. We obviously would take in less revenue with lower tariffs, but so what?

The Republican Congress happily passed Trump's big tax cuts without any expectation of large amounts of tariff revenue. The loss of this revenue will just put us back to where we were in March in terms of the budget.

Trump has his imaginary $18 trillion in foreign investment which he attributes to the tariffs. He can just attribute this imaginary investment to something else, and all will be fine.

And Trump has his eight wars that he imagines he settled by his tariff threats. Again, he can use some other mechanism to get imaginary peace settlements to imaginary wars.

The real story of the Trump tariffs is very simple. They are a tax on the American people, and in fact a very large one.

The government collected just under $30 billion in import taxes in September of this year, the most recent data available. That compares to around $7 billion last year. The increase of $23 billion would imply a tax of almost $270 billion on an annual basis, or 0.9 percent of GDP. This is one of the largest tax increases in the country’s history.

If the court rules against Trump, then this tax increase likely would be reversed. In fact, the Court could even require that the money collected be returned to the companies that paid it, in effect giving a rebate of $200 billion to U.S. importers. This would be putting a large amount of money into these companies’ pockets, some of which would be spent and boost the economy.

We also don’t know the timing of any court decisions. If they wait until June of next year, when they issue most of their major decisions, then the justices may be giving the country a huge tax break just in time to rev the economy up for the election.

It’s very difficult to say what the economy will look like by next summer. Trump’s tariffs, his budget cuts and layoffs, and mass deportations have been a real hit to the labor market. Job growth has slowed to a crawl, real wage growth is near zero, and the unemployment rate had edged higher as of August. (Trump has the September jobs report but has decided not to release it.) That looks like a path of gradual slowing and rising unemployment for the foreseeable future.

However, we have a big unknown in the form of the AI bubble. Having followed closely both the tech bubble in the 90s and the housing bubble in the 00s, I know that a bubble’s end is hard to predict. Both bubbles went on far longer and grew much larger than I would have anticipated. If the bubble continues to grow, next summer we are still likely to be on the path of modest GDP growth and labor market weakening we see today. If it bursts, then a recession is virtually assured.

In that case, the big tax break the Supreme Court would give us by ending the Trump tariffs would be a major boost to the economy. It would not be large enough to reverse the effect of a collapsing bubble, but it would be an important support to the economy when it badly needs it. Congress would have to do more, but hey, the Supreme Court can only do so much when all the responsible people setting policy have left town.

Dean Baker is a senior economist at the Center for Economic and Policy Research and the author of the 2016 book Rigged: How Globalization and the Rules of the Modern Economy Were Structured to Make the Rich Richer. Please consider subscribing to his Substack.

Reprinted with permission from Dean Baker.

AI Bubble Drives Up Prices, Harms The Environment And Deserves To Burst

AI Bubble Drives Up Prices, Harms The Environment And Deserves To Burst

I heard people who read the column I wrote last week on the AI bubble complain that, by rooting for its collapse, I was hoping for the failure of the U.S. economy. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The logic of a run-up in asset prices being a bubble is that it is not grounded in reality; it is fake. The best analogy would be counterfeit money. Suppose some brilliant person devised a way to make up trillions of dollars of counterfeit money that we would all accept as real money, because we couldn’t tell the difference.

While the counterfeiter was working at their printing press, it might actually look like a good thing for the economy. After all, they and their friends would be buying all sorts of things with their counterfeit money. This would be driving demand in the economy and creating jobs. If someone exposed the counterfeiters, this demand and the jobs they create would disappear.

This is all true, but a deeper look shows the darker side. First, they don’t just create demand, they also drive up prices. This can be seen very clearly with the AI bubble.

Most immediately, data centers are massive power hogs. They are the main reason electricity prices have gone up more than 7.0 percent in the last year. Electricity inflation is likely to be even more rapid in the year ahead as Trump cancels wind and solar facilities that were supposed to come online in the near future.

In addition to driving up electricity prices, these data centers also generate pollution. This is not just the global impact of greenhouse gas emissions, but also the local impact of pollutants from coal or gas-powered plants. Also, the data centers are huge water hogs, requiring millions of gallons annually for cooling the computer systems.

Without an AI bubble, we would be building data centers at a much slower pace. And they would be doing far less damage to the environment. And the workers building the data centers might be building things we need more, like housing.

There is also inflation resulting from the fortunes that AI has generated due to the run-up in AI-related stocks. Big shareholders have the ability to buy more and bigger homes. This is certainly a factor behind sky high house prices in desirable cities like New York, San Francisco, Seattle, and Los Angeles.

These cities do all need more housing, but the fact that multi-millionaires can afford huge houses and multiple huge houses, surely also plays a role. If their AI stock prices fell back to earth maybe they would only be able to afford a somewhat normal very rich person’s house and maybe just one or two, rather five or ten.

And there would be less money devoted to all the high-end services devoted to the ultra-rich gang. That means fewer doctors and health care personnel committed to elaborate cosmetic surgeries, leaving more room to provide healthcare to normal people. And we would have fewer high-end restaurants, high-fashion stores, and other businesses catering to the whims of the rich and very rich.

And the AI gang would have less money to buy politicians and media outlets to enrich themselves even further. A good crash of the AI bubble, along with crypto, would give the rest of us more of a fighting chance to save democracy. Letting the rich get so much control over the means of communication was a political failing of catastrophic proportions, but there may still be an opportunity to set things right.

Anyhow, we can’t know when or how the AI bubble will burst. But no one should ever be hesitant to hope that a bubble will burst. Perhaps I and others have misidentified it as a bubble, but if we are right in that characterization, the sooner it bursts, the better. No apologies.

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Bursting The AI Bubble Just Might Be Better For (Almost) Everyone

It has become common in recent months for people in the business press to note both that AI stocks seem to be in a bubble and that this bubble is driving the economy. In many ways this situation looks similar to the late 1990s tech bubble.

At that time, price-to-earnings ratios in the stock market were roughly the same as they are today. The soaring market then was also driving the economy, as people were consuming based on their new bubble-generated wealth. Also, the insane valuations of many new Internet companies was leading to an investment boom in the tech sector.

When the bubble finally burst, we got the 2001 recession. While this downturn was mild from a GDP perspective, the story was much worse if we focus on the labor market. We did not get back the jobs lost in the recession for four full years. At the time, it was the longest period without job growth since the Great Depression.

Anyhow, the immediate impact of the collapse of the AI bubble will undoubtedly be negative, but there are reasons to still think it would be good for the economy and for most workers. This is best demonstrated by a recent analysis from Moody’s which shows that all the real spending growth over the last year has come from the top quintile of the income distribution. Everyone else has been just treading water.

This fits with other data that show weakening nominal wage growth, with the wage increases for workers in the lowest paying jobs not even keeping pace with inflation. It’s not surprising that consumption for these workers would be stagnating or falling.

To see how this relates to the AI bubble, we can think of the economy as being like a huge bathtub with an open drain. We have two faucets that put water into the tub. The goal is to keep the tub filled but not overfilled. This would correspond to the labor market being at full employment and the economy operating at its capacity.

If the water flows into the tub too slowly, we have unemployment and excess capacity. We are wasting economic potential and workers are being denied the opportunity to work. If the water flows into the tub too quickly, the bathtub overflows and we get water all over the floor. This would be the inflation story.

The two faucets are labeled “rich people” and “ordinary workers.” At the moment, the rich people faucet is wide open, and the water is gushing out. This is the money generated by the AI bubble. There is just a trickle coming out of the ordinary workers faucet.

When the AI bubble bursts, the water coming out of the rich people faucet will also slow to a trickle. This means water will be draining out faster than it is flowing in, and the water level in the tub will drop. This would mean a recession, and an increase in unemployment.

That is bad news for everyone, but the lower water level in the tub means that we have the option to turn the flow from the ordinary workers faucet higher, without causing the tub to overflow. And we do know how to turn the flow higher.

The easiest route is for increasing the flow is to simply have the Federal Reserve Board lower interest rates. That will somewhat boost demand by allowing more people to buy homes and to a lesser extent cars and other big-ticket items. People will also refinance mortgages at lower rates, freeing up money to spend on other things. Lower rates will also provide a modest boost to investment.

The other route for increasing the flow from the ordinary workers faucet is to have the government increase spending. It can boost spending in areas like healthcare, education, and childcare. This would both provide real benefits to people and also stimulate the economy. It can also reestablish and enhance the subsidies for a green transition that Trump killed earlier this year. This will both create jobs and have near-term and long-term environmental benefits.

There is of course no guarantee that Congress will boost spending enough to again fill the bathtub, possibly leaving us with high unemployment for a long period of time. That was the story after both the collapse of the tech bubble in 2000-01 and the collapse of the housing bubble 2007-09.

But this is a political obstacle, not an economic one. The collapse of the AI bubble will create the room the economy needs for policies that would make the lives of tens of millions of people far better. This is why we should all be fans of the collapse and not worry that we are cheering against the home team. For the vast majority in this country, the stock market is not the home team.

Reprinted with permission from Dean Baker.

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