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The Real Reason Young People Dislike Republicans

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The Real Reason Young People Dislike Republicans

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Ramesh Ponnuru is a Bloomberg View columnist, a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a senior editor at National Review, and a leading conservative pundit. The views expressed here are his own.

June 11 (Bloomberg) — Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential candidate, won among voters over the age of 30, but lost younger voters by 23 points. That statistic has gotten a lot of attention from Republicans, especially since they have now lost young voters in three presidential elections in a row. They worry that voting Democratic could be habit-forming for this generation.

The party leadership’s post-election “autopsy” offered a superficial take on its challenge with young voters: It’s just social issues, and particularly Republican opposition to same-sex marriage, that have turned them off. The College Republican National Committee has just released a detailed report on young voters that goes considerably beyond this conventional wisdom.

It’s true that most polls find strong support for same-sex marriage among young people. The report, mainly written by Winston Group pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson, tries to gauge how important the issue is in driving their votes. It finds that 26 percent of young voters favor same-sex marriage and wouldn’t vote for a candidate who opposes it even if they agreed with that candidate on most other issues. Some of those voters, maybe most of them, must lean toward the Democrats on issues other than same-sex marriage. So Republicans are losing some young voters on this issue, but it may not be central to the party’s troubles.

And young people aren’t socially liberal when it comes to abortion. In the College Republicans’ March survey, 51 percent of them believed abortion should be banned altogether or with exceptions in unusual circumstances. They aren’t all that liberal on immigration, either. About 65 percent of young voters favored deporting illegal immigrants, enforcing the law before offering them legal status, or offering them legal status but not citizenship — all positions to the right of the immigration bill now being debated in the Senate. Young voters also consider climate change a low-priority issue.

They are deeply concerned, on the other hand, about economic issues. And Republicans have a lot of work to do on them. A majority of young voters think the party’s economic policies played a big role in the recession. They don’t follow Republican politicians in thinking that higher taxes on the rich are higher taxes on small business. Although they tend to agree with Republicans about the future of entitlement programs for the elderly, they are much more worried about the here-and-now. (The report cites a survey showing 20 percent of young people had delayed marriage because of the economy.) They consider student-loan debt a major obstacle to their goals.

And they give President Barack Obama credit for trying to help the economy, reduce their debt burden, and fix health care. Among those young voters who approve of Obama’s job performance, “trying” was the No. 1 word they used about him — as in, he has been trying to improve things.

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  1. dave jones June 11, 2013

    how is the party of the old white guys going to connect with young minority voters? somehow elect more minorities into their party which would mean they have to compromise.

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    1. Allan Richardson June 12, 2013

      The members of minority groups who DO run for office as Republicans believe that the “old white rich men’s” policies will help their own people, even though history has shown this not to be true. They have either gone off the deep end ideologically (e.g. Allen West) or believe what it is profitable to believe (I heard that in the African American community such a person used to be called a “House N-” or an “Uncle Tom.” Or a “Judas goat” which shepherds use to lead a flock of sheep to the slaughterhouse.).

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      1. dave jones June 12, 2013

        yeah, it will never happen. they just hope to obstruct to prolong their relevance but there is no long term solution as the dinosaurs die off. i’m not even sure if those policies help most white people.

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        1. idamag June 13, 2013

          We have been losing our government to multi-national corporations for years. It is just that previous to Bush, it was more subtle. Now that they have entrenched as deeply as they have, they have become more bold. The cancer is spreading.

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          1. dave jones June 14, 2013

            Corporations are people, my friend……
            The future is a horrific mix of Rollerball, 1984 and the day after tomorrow?

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          2. idamag June 14, 2013

            And Farenheit 941

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    2. silas1898 June 12, 2013

      They could try rentboy.com, like Rekers.

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    3. TravisMonitor June 30, 2013

      “how is the party of the old white guys”
      Biden, Harry Reid, Schumer, Durbin, etc. yup … no way to connect to non-retarded young folks from that group of old white male Democrats.

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  2. docb June 11, 2013

    When you survey the young in the south they are naturally jaded as to social issues and I would not trust the numbers on a bet! Glossing over that leaves the remainder of the argument worthless..Nice try — No sale!

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    1. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh June 12, 2013

      Considering down South the Republican Party has membership drives in the entry of every Baptist Church, it is easy to see how Southern Youth tends to follow the same religion their daddies do.

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      1. Allan Richardson June 12, 2013

        Remember, after Reconstruction it was the boys too young to fight for the Confederacy (thus too young to be prohibited from voting because of rebellion) who rebuilt the de facto Confederate South. And though they were Democrats, their descendants moved the entire ideological package to the Republican party in order to escape racial justice.

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        1. old_blu June 12, 2013

          You my friend are absolutely right, they were Democrats for the most part until the civil rights act was introduced by LBJ who was supported by the Democrats, then they all wanted to be Republicans after that.

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          1. silas1898 June 12, 2013

            And they were all Democrats before that because Lincoln was a Republican and had the gall to free the slaves.

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        2. idamag June 12, 2013

          The South went Republican after a Democrat president signed the Civil Rights Act into law.

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          1. BDC_57 June 12, 2013

            Sounds like abunch of racists.

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          2. Lisztman June 13, 2013

            Ya think?!

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      2. docb June 12, 2013

        Most churches in the Bible belt have had membership/tent evangelical revivals for years! They kept the KKK in power for ages!

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        1. idamag June 12, 2013

          I remember the feature Life Magazine did on the Emmett Till murder. Of course the, 14 year-old Black boy who was murdered by, four white guys were acquitted by an all white jury. After they were acquitted they bragged about what they had done and described the torture and murder in full detail. Life magazine took pictures of the four white guys and their southern belles in the Southern Baptist Church, where one of the guys was a deacon and passed the plate on Sunday. Christians? I think not.

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          1. docb June 12, 2013

            Horrid times those…but not much has changed down there…If truth be told!

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          2. silas1898 June 12, 2013

            The only change is that they hide it better.

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          3. docb June 13, 2013

            You think? They seem to be as blatant as in the 1950-60’s…but I might be jaded, I grew up down yonder!

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          4. silas1898 June 13, 2013

            I guess I meant publicly. The “whites only” signs are gone, but the spirit remains.

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          5. docb June 13, 2013

            True, silas…

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          6. idamag June 13, 2013

            There is certainly a faction that wants to return to the “good old days” of lynching and Jim Crow.

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          7. neeceoooo June 12, 2013

            They can hate their neighbor but don’t forget to say grace!

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          8. Lisztman June 13, 2013

            Thank you, Barry McGuire. 😉

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          9. Independent1 June 12, 2013

            You sure got that right!! Those southern Baptist ministers are doing a great job of leading their flocks to damnation. There’s nothing remotely Christian about the GOP.

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          10. mike June 13, 2013

            Not surprised at the crap that comes out of your mouth.

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          11. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

            Mike, that’s just ignert. I wanted to say it the way that you would understand.

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          12. mike June 13, 2013

            Don’t flatter yourself. Same old superiority complex showing up again.

            You should have directed your comment to Independent1, fits him much better.

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          13. idamag June 13, 2013

            I was raised in the First Baptist Church. With the coming of the AEC site, came the Southern Baptist denomination. Many of my friends crossed over and since the church was closer to my home, I did, too. I started noticing that veiled racists remarks were being made among the congregants in church. The pastor told a racist joke. He preached long and hard about the sin of two-piece swim suits. Ugly things were taking place in the south. Among them, the killing of freedom riders and bombing churches. I asked the pastor if he wanted to speak out against that kind of stuff and he said, “You would have to live in the south to understand.”
            I sent a scathing letter to the Southern Baptist Convention along with my resignation. Jimmy Carter and myself, we resigned.

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  3. Independent1 June 11, 2013

    “there’s an opening among young people for Republicans who advance credible plans… to foster job growth, to control the national debt ….shrinking the government….” Wow! asking Republicans to totally reverse what they’ve been all about for the past 30-60 years!!! – governing with significant deficit spending in every GOP presidency since Nixon’s 2nd term – being responsible for more than 90% of our current 16.8 trillion in debt: with Reagan and the two Bushes spending like drunken sailors; having the worst record of job growth over the past 25 years of any presidencies since the Big Depression (more jobs have been created in the past 6 months than either Bush Sr. or Bush Jr created in over 2 years during their terms); shrinking the government – when George Bush Jr. added more people to governments across the country than the previous 8 presidents combined?? He added about 2 million to governments across the nation in his 8 years while American governments have been cut by over 600,000 in the past 4 years!!! For the GOP to do some of the things Ramesh suggests is like asking a leopard to shed all its spots so it can double for a polar bear!!!

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    1. Fern Woodfork June 12, 2013

      I Couldn’t Agree With You More My Friend!! 🙂

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      1. itsfun June 12, 2013

        Obama said the roads and bridges would be fixed by his stimulus plan.

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        1. Fern Woodfork June 12, 2013

          No He Didn’t!!!! Job Bill!!!!!!

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          1. neeceoooo June 12, 2013

            He also got no support from the republicans on ANY bill that he has presented, job or otherwise. And hi to you, Fern.

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          2. Fern Woodfork June 12, 2013

            Hello My Friend Great To See You Here!!! 🙂

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          3. neeceoooo June 12, 2013

            Hi there, I always like to hear your opinion, great minds think alike.

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        2. silas1898 June 12, 2013

          And some of them in my neighborhood were. He certainly didn’t say ALL of them would be fixed.

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        3. idamag June 13, 2013

          You need to study how that went. He got a token stimulus passed and monies are still being used where they can. With the obstruction in congress it is like if I give you a dime and tell you to buy a quart of milk with it.

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          1. itsfun June 13, 2013

            The so called obstruction as you call it, was just people trying to get spending somewhat under control since George Bush and Obama started spending and spending. We got to cut spending somewhere. We have more people on food stamps than the whole population of Spain. One problem was Obama telling everyone how many “shovel ready jobs” that were waiting for funding. Then finding out there weren’t that many. Us citizens really have no idea where our money is going. Somehow we need the avenue to know where every dollar is going. I can’t see politicians letting that happen, as they are drunk with power and power grabbing.

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          2. Fern Woodfork June 13, 2013

            LIAR MOST OF OBAMA SPENDING WAS TO FIX BUSH MESS!!!!!! And You Are A TROLL!!!

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          3. itsfun June 13, 2013

            my my my: For one that belongs to the Democratic Party of tolerance for others and their feelings, that is not a very nice way to talk to someone. All I said was Bush spent way to much money and Obama is doing the same. We have a debt around 17 trillion now. We can’t just keep printing new money. Now the projections for the cost of the health care are about 3 times as much as we the citizens were told. We need to quit spending so much. If any country in the world has a tragedy, we can’t sent enough money, flood, clothing, etc to them. What countries have helped us when we have a tragedy? We have more people on food stamps than the entire population of Spain.
            When just calling someone vile names like you do, just shows your ignorance on the debate.

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          4. Fern Woodfork June 13, 2013

            LOL Vile ??? LOL Why The Hell Are You Here?? You Tea Bagging Asshole!! All You Doing Is Lying And Posting A Bunch Of Bullshit !! WND Is The Web Site You Should Be On WND Wackos And Dummies!! Nobody Wants To Debate With A LIAR!! Besides Your Breath Stink From Sucking All That Koch Brothers Assholes!! Next Time Try A Tic Tac TROLL!!! And As Long As Greedy Ass People Like Walmart Koch Brothers And The Rest Of The Corporate Thug Have Their Way People Will Stay on Food Stamp!!! Now What Fool !! Why Don’t You Go Catch Up With You Crowd!!! ASSHOLE!!

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          5. itsfun June 13, 2013

            my oh my; you also have a filthy mouth. What a combination you have. Name calling and a filthy mouth.
            You are just proving what I said before. You are just showing your ignorance when all you can do is call people vile and filthy names.

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          6. Fern Woodfork June 13, 2013

            KISS MY ASS BITCH!! Don’t Try And Play The Good Little Christian Bullshit With Me Asshole You Must Don’t Mind You Keep Talking To Me!! Little Lying Sociopath BITCH!!! Ignorant?? You The One Asking For Your Ass To Be Ripped !!! So That Makes You The Damn Fool !! GO CATCH UP WITH YOUR CROWD LITTLE BITCH!!!

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          7. itsfun June 13, 2013

            there you go again. I will be sending a copy of your language usage to the national memo people. They say they don’t tolerate your kind of language. Soooo Good bye Sweetie

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          8. Fern Woodfork June 13, 2013

            FUCK YOU!!! MAY SURE YOU SEND A COPY TO THE WHOLE GOP/TEA PARTY AMERICAN TALIBAN TELL ALL OF THEM I SAID KISS MY ASS!!! LITTLE WHINNY BITCH!!! SNATCH ASS BITCH!! GOOD BYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE ASSHOLE TROLL!!

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          9. Fern Woodfork June 13, 2013

            Waaaa Waaaa Waaa I’m Going To Tell My Mommie Waaa Waaa Little Punk Ass Bitch!! LOL

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          10. plc97477 June 15, 2013

            Sorry but you asked for it. If you don’t want people to take their frustration out on you after from trying to make idiots understand the real world, don’t act, talk or think like an idiot.

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          11. itsfun June 15, 2013

            Also, If you look back at the post, I just said that both Bush and Obama spend way to much money and we must stop such high spending. Just printing more money won’t solve any problems. I don’t see how that can make anybody a tea party member or a liar or a troll or an idiot.

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          12. DurdyDawg June 17, 2013

            Oh, so in other words, don’t pay attention to the trillions that Dubya placed on the American credit card, just concern yourself with the Trillions that Obama has to use to pay bills, keep America going AND pay off the debt.. As I said, you must spend money to make money but when your dealing with trillions, the trillions it takes to balance becomes astronomical and killing old people by taking their s.s., watching young people die because someone has to limit medical care, laughing as the poor and middle class go under and totally ignore the deteriorating infrastructure because it’s, “get rid of Obama before offering any jobs” is STILL not going to make a dent into Bush’s payday loan..

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          13. itsfun June 17, 2013

            No; I am trying to say they both are at fault as far as spending too much. I collect S.S., and don’t want to see that go away. I also get medicare and don’t want to see that go away. I have nothing against medical care for everyone. I don’t like the way it was passed though behind closed doors and bribing US Senators.

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          14. idamag June 14, 2013

            We have more people on food stamps than the entire population of Norway. There is no unemployment problem in Norway. It has the highest standard of living for its people in the world. It is also the most socialistic company. The difference is that Norwegians are not as narcissistic as the people in this country. They care about each other.

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          15. 4sanity4all June 14, 2013

            Actually, under Pres. Obama, the debt has gone up less than under any president in 40 years. So, he is reining in spending. Fixing it will take time, and if congress would co-operate, it would take less time.

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          16. DurdyDawg June 17, 2013

            You have money in the bank, a good job and things look rosy.. Suddenly you lose that job and someone hacked your id and spent almost all your savings before you finally stopped them..your bank account has now dwindled but your bills still come due each and every month, what do you do? How can you counteract this problem? You would have to get two jobs in order to retain a status quo meaning you would have to spend twice as much money in order to eventually return to a position where you thought life was rosy.. It may take a year, maybe more to finally reach that goal and we’re talking thousands of dollars (unless your a millionaire of course which wouldn’t make that much of a difference).. How about being sacked with Trillions of dollars? THIS is what Obama (or any other president would have) faced and he had to continue to pay the bills as the overhead monster kept adding interest.. Obviously you don’t know what it’s like to get in the rears.. I do with thousands, Obama had the same damn problem with TRILLIONS! The military complex and international aid, tax breaks for corporations and bail-outs for too big to fold companies are at the root of our woes, NOT welfare, food stamps OR social security. Cut those industries who think they deserve tax welfare while crowing about record breaking profits and maybe, just maybe things will get better before YOU retire otherwise your grandchildren will be continually bitching about the damn deficit..

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          17. itsfun June 17, 2013

            When taxes are raised on corporations, who really pays the tax? We do, the consumer because of higher prices. Corporations are not going to absorb tax increases, they will just pass them on to us. It seems we can’t wait to send our money overseas to countries that hate us. Any disaster anywhere and we send millions to help fix the disaster. How many countries help us? I believe there are many programs we are spending millions on just to finance programs that benefit just a few. We are also going to spend about 60 million to send the Presidents wife and kids to Africa on a vacation. Vacations are fine, but not when the whole country is hurting. This just says f-you to many people without jobs or homes. We do need programs to help healthy people get jobs and get off welfare and food stamps.

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          18. DurdyDawg June 18, 2013

            Corporate mafia don’t need an excuse to raise the rent, they’ll do it on a whim. If they don’t excel on their last quarter’s profit margin, their apt to raise prices just to make sure it doesn’t happen again. They’re just like the insurance industry who ups the rates for everybody with wind of one accident that they can’t weasel out from under so this scare tactic of raising prices if they’re entitlements are pissed with probably came out of their own PR staff. I do think you have a solid argument and I appreciate it but there are things that I just can’t see eye to eye on. As far as the aid to other countries, you just can’t retrain an old dog.. This crap has been going on since dirt and there seems to be no end to it even if they do hate us. I’m absolutely against this atrocity, not because I think it’s wrong but more in how our so called leaders do it.. If we’re giving aid to other countries and saying it’s for food and medical supplies then send food and medical supplies instead of putting cash into the pockets of those who have no reason to share it. Those people would be better off because it would go directly to them and we would benefit by utilizing our farmers to grow more gains and other food as well as producing more medical products, in short.. More needed jobs for our people.. I really can’t say much about Obama making these trips (for b’ness or pleasure) as each and every president before him has done the very same thing for the very same reasons.. That he’s doing it for what? 60 mill only tells me that the cost of this crap has escalated probably a thousand fold compared to our last dummy and if this be true then any future presidents will make Obama’s cost as insignificant as his is to Nixon’s (another traveler who hopped around during a major recession while a war was going on).. I don’t know where you got this Africa vacation or it’s cost but I can’t dispute it because I’m not privy to such things and I won’t go by the word of any ‘expert’ who say’s they know.. If it’s actually true, then yes.. He should stay at home and act like as a role model for the voters who put their trust in him.

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          19. idamag June 14, 2013

            itsfun forgets Mitch McConnell’s statement, upon Obama’s election, “The Republicans’ number one goal is to make Obama a one term president.” If the house was really worried about government spending, they would have allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire. They would have supported the jobs bills so that there would have been increased revenue for the government.

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          20. idamag June 14, 2013

            Guess again.

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          21. 4sanity4all June 14, 2013

            I traveled by car from Illinois through Texas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Colorado, and all the states in between. There were signs on the highways stating that stimulus money was repairing these roads and rest stops. They were done beautifully, and traffic was surprisingly not slowed down too much by all the work being done. My travels after the work was complete made me very happy, as the roads were a pleasure to drive on. My money was well spent. You should do some research before you comment.

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          22. itsfun June 15, 2013

            HUM: I just traveled in April through Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida and did not see one sign stating stimulus was being spent on those roads. My research was based on Obama himself saying we need to fix roads and bridges just two weeks ago, and on Obama speech about how the stimulus was going to fix the roads. Just taking Obama at his word.

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          23. plc97477 June 15, 2013

            That’s cus most of those are red states who ran away screaming when offered stimulus.

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          24. 4sanity4all June 14, 2013

            I travel by car a lot, and when the limited stimulus bill was passed, highways and rest stops were repaired in many states. The roads are much better now, and the rest areas are very well built and clean. It was a great start, people were working, roads were getting repaired. But then the Republicans would not pass another bill like that. I guess they figured that the nice roads and rest stops would make the Pres. look good. I think the Pres. missed an opportunity to brag and rub their noses in it. If the limited stimulus bill did that much good, just think of all the infrastructure that would get repaired if congress actually made it a priority.

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      2. silas1898 June 12, 2013

        Whew!! Oh yeah.

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      3. idamag June 13, 2013

        Excellent!

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  4. Dominick Vila June 12, 2013

    The reasons that influence the political opinions and choices of young Americans, and anyone capable of rational thinking, are obvious. They were among the most affected by the economic debacle that began in 2007 as a result of flawed economic policies, including deregulation, trickle down economics, out of control spending in crusades and their after effects, and irrational investments by Wall Street among others.
    How can a young person who cannot afford to go to college because of financial limitations or because he/she does not want to graduate from college with a huge student loan support a party that is planning to raise student loan interest rates? How can young people whose only hope is to spend the rest of their lives working in fast food restaurants, retail stores, or as laborers in construction sites love a party that supports the advancement of the interests of a few at the expense of most of our population? The opinions of our young, and of many who are not so young, are not influenced by immaturity or abstract matters, they are based on the reality of our circumstances.

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    1. mike June 12, 2013

      The 2007 meltdown was all Bush’s fault, Right?? What a crock of crap. NY Times article titled: “Bush can share blame for financial crisis.” Or: Financial crisis was avoidable, NY Times, Federal Inquiry finds, “What caused the Economic Crisis”, factcheck, “Cause of the 2008 Fin. Crisis” aim.org.

      No party is innocent!!!

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      1. martykayzee June 12, 2013

        You trot out Cliff Kincaid with his warped mind? A conspiracy-monger and Glenn Beck wannabe? Bush’s fault. Yes, Bush’s fault. Troll alert! This is Kincaid – http://www.usasurvival.org/

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        1. neeceoooo June 12, 2013

          Cliff Kincaid is just another Rush Loudmouth.

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        2. mike June 12, 2013

          Wrong again!!! Nice try, though.

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          1. martykayzee June 12, 2013

            Thanks. I like to know when I’m wrong. The last time was in 1972, July, I think…

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          2. mike June 12, 2013

            No, 7 hours ago. Sorry, 5 hours ago.
            Should be down to minutes shortly.

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      2. Dominick Vila June 12, 2013

        No, it is not all Bush’s fault. The damage done by Reagan’s trickle down economics, the S&L debacle in the 1980s, and former President Clinton’s decision to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act as proposed by Phil Gramm, all contributed to the economic woes that began in 2007, and that brought our economy to the verge of collapse according to what former President Bush said in 2008. While both parties share responsibility, the main contributor to the problems we faced and are still trying to extricate ourselves from were the GOP emphasis on deregulation, out of control spending on defense, loopholes and subsidies that don’t need them, repetitive increases in the national debt, irresponsible tax policies that required borrowing to overcome their effects, and a fixation on advancing the interests of the elite at the expense of the middle class and the poor.

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        1. Allan Richardson June 12, 2013

          Maybe it should be re-enacted, then!

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          1. idamag June 12, 2013

            Yes the Glass Steagall act should be reenacted.

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        2. idamag June 12, 2013

          At least you know what you are talking about. Mike needs to know the problem with today’s house is that they want to repeat that which did not work before. It was okay for the previous administrations to make mistakes. The problem is that some did not learn from those mistakes.

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        3. mike June 12, 2013

          Back to the old GOP fault. Dems just sat on the side lines, nice try!!

          Bush increased regulatory staffing from 160,000 to almost 250,000, regulatory spending increased under Bush, 2000 Clinton admin Fannie Mae announced that HUD would dedicated 50% of their business to low and moderate income families seeking home mortgages, Bush 43 issued more economically significant final regulations than Clinton-361 to 232.

          Deregulation, greatest under Clinton, just a fact.

          “In defense of Clinton you seem to forget two of Wall Streets biggest players were Rubin and Geithner. Rubin in 1997 lead a fight to keep the CFTC(commodities futures trading comm) from regulating derivatives. When Clinton signed the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act he effectively deregulated the financial sector and set the stage for the collapse of banking industry and failures of world markets.

          Many are at fault but you can not be a revisionist that one party being at fault.

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          1. Dominick Vila June 12, 2013

            The GOP has run on deregulation and trickle down economics since, at least, the Nixon days. Again, neither party is exempt from sharing the blame for some of the things that have happened in the past, but suggesting that deregulation and trickle down economics are initiatives supported by both parties is beyond being disingenuous. Yes, Clinton succumbed to demands by the GOP as a condition to stay in office, but that does not mean he championed deregulation. In the case of Glass-Steagall, that regulation, which was desperately needed when it was enacted in 1933, had become so ineffective and weakened by the time it was repealed in 1999 that it was not worth the paper it was printed on.

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          2. mike June 12, 2013

            Here you go again! I never said the dems were for trickle down, what I said was the dems didn’t sit on the side lines and just twiddled their thumbs when it came to deregulation. Go look at their voting records. Repeal was overwhelming in both houses.

            Geithner is a devotee of the Larry Summers-Robert Rubin school of deregulation. Interesting that Summers, Geithner, were/are still around in the Obama admin., and Rubin an adviser to Obama.

            Interview with Bill Clinton by Maria Bartiromo published in Business Week. Clinton said:” he had no regrets about signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall. He went on to say: On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I’d be glad to look at the evidence. But I can’t blame the REPUBLICANS. THIS WASN’T SOMETHING THEY FORCED ME INTO. OOPS!! There goes your argument that “clinton succumbed to GOP to stay in office”, looks like another one of your “maligned, insulted, and threatened by MM after 2009” exaggerations.

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          3. DurdyDawg June 17, 2013

            Yes, both did all this but it seems that the Pubs want to continue to be the leader in bigotry and BS while some yellow bellied Dems do as their commanded by the loudest peckerhead on the podium. Proof is in the statements given concerning Obama and ALL the Democrats from that dead beat Boner and his gang of T-sucking dildos. These people need to leave and take as many with them. You blame both but for the last 12 years the gas bag Pubs have bullied their way into the mire.

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        4. rokkitman June 12, 2013

          The repeal of Glass-Steagall had overwhelming support at the time. The House vote in favor was 362-61. The big banks convinced Congress that eliminating this regulation would allow them to grow even bigger, and that this would make US finance more competitive in the world market. They’re making similar arguments now, trying to get out from under Dodd-Frank.

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          1. idamag June 13, 2013

            Therein lies the problem. Legislators that get their orders from banks and Las Vegas.

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      3. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

        The real truth is we do understand that Bush was not entirely at fault. However, we must continually remind your kind that your mantra that Obama (or the Democrats) are entirely, and always at fault, is a LIE. Quit lying, then maybe you will not hear so much feed back. . . .

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        1. mike June 13, 2013

          I haven’t lied about anything. Dom made one of his many exaggerations, stating “Clinton succumbed to GOP to stay in office” and I showed again what crap spews from his thoughts with actual quotes from Clinton interview.

          Your side from day one, it was Bush’s fault, what I have continued to show is there is enough blame to go around.

          Since you are the maven of mavens, show me where i have lied in my last post to Dom.

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    2. Fern Woodfork June 12, 2013

      Well Said My Friend!! 🙂

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  5. old_blu June 12, 2013

    I’ve always thought that each generation gets a little smarter than the one before it. Maybe that’s “The Real Reason Young People Dislike Republicans” Although when they are teenagers you’d have a hard time convincing anyone of it.

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    1. BDC_57 June 12, 2013

      And way the repugs are acting with all their lies and trying to take woman rights away the young see this as a another ploy to distroy the government.

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      1. mike June 13, 2013

        Looks like Obama has the edge in “distroy” the govt..

        Chris Matthews-ship with the engine off.

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    2. idamag June 12, 2013

      I used to think that until I saw what was elected to the House. Maybe we evolved as far as we can go and are now going down the other side. And the descent is much faster than the ascent was.

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      1. old_blu June 12, 2013

        Oh! There’s nothing dumb about those guys, it’s the people that they convinced to vote for them, that I question whether they have a grade school education or not.

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        1. BDC_57 June 12, 2013

          I think the people that voted for them are crazies that need to start taking ther med.

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        2. mike June 13, 2013

          How about the Teachers Union and the bang up job they have done for education.

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  6. Eleanore Whitaker June 12, 2013

    All of the young people I know are fed up with Republican politicians stonewalling the entire country on jobs and hiring. The GOP bull males refused to allow this president to do exactly what Roosevelt did when millions of Americans were unemployed by Wall Street carnivores and the Great Depression. When you look back at that era, you see that the Wall Street cannibals who caused the Great Depression took the coward’s way out and jumped out of skyscrapers rather than live in poverty. All while they left an entire nation on its knees. It took a stalwart, courageous leader like FDR to take the reins and put the country back in the right direction. And, the GOP of the 1930s knew to keep their conservative mouths shut and allow the president to do the job they knew the people elected him to do…Now…take a look at today’s bull males of the GOP all swarming over this president’s body ready to pick him apart down to his bones. The wonder of it is, that most Americans see what they are doing, know it’s wrong and allow it to continue. GOP male bulls can be censored if they continue to thwart this administration. These lunatics had no problem whatever allowing Bush and Cheney what Bush called, “extraordinary executive powers in a time of war.” Now they want to stomp all over the very things they voted for when their man was in office. How hypocritical do they plan to get before we demand they be ousted for their governmental obstruction?

    Young people want jobs. They don’t want to complete a college education saddled with huge college loan debt and no jobs. And the real culprits in all of this are the ones who hide away in their corporate offices budgeting for their next $10 million bonus and helpings to our tax dollars. Go after the corporations. If they don’t hire and create jobs, they don’t get your tax assistance.

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    1. BDC_57 June 12, 2013

      The repugs did not learn from ther mistakes they keep repeating what they did in the past and young people see this happening.

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    2. Allan Richardson June 12, 2013

      The Republican higher-ups never wanted the New Deal, and never stopped fighting it. But its RESULTS have become so popular that in the mainstream of public opinion the fight against it has to be finessed. As in, don’t cut benefits of current seniors (not visisbly, anyway; see CPI), but dismantle the program going forward … just after skewing the wealth distribution so that younger people will not have enough to save for their retirement! And as in, make the 40 hour work week optional (not your option, only your boss’ option). And as in, keep the minimum wage where it is, no higher, until it has sunk so far below the poverty level that no one will notice when it is repealed.

      The younger voters, unfortunately, did not study the history of labor (Haymarket riots, Homestead Steel slaughter by Pinkerton assassins (the damage to Andrew Carnegie’s reputation was so bad he built Carnegie Hall in order to repair it), coal miners working in unsafe conditions even today) or the history of Social Security, or the Great Depression (as a boomer, my pre-textbook experience of that era was from Our Gang/Little Rascals and Three Stooges shows on TV; this generation has probably heard of these but not seen them). And they have been brainwashed so badly about ALL political leaders being EQUALLY bad that they either do not vote or vote for the first name on the ballot — at least until Obama came along.

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      1. idamag June 12, 2013

        Alan, and those who don’t study history… I suggest they study what you have put forth and also, the Triangle Shirt Waist Factory Fire.

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      2. silas1898 June 12, 2013

        For 80 long years the Republican party has been trying to destroy the New Deal, screeching daily about how it will “Destroy America” and must be abolished. It has been a constant whining of greedy rich bastards complaining about how the evil government is stealing all their money and any day now this will result in total economic collapse and you will be even worse off than you are unless you give us more.
        In 1955, the top tax rate was 90%. Eisenhower was a communist. Or maybe a very smart man who knew what rampant greed would bring us.

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        1. JSquercia June 18, 2013

          The longer I LIVE the smarter Ike seems .He certainly got it RIGHT about the Military Industrial Complex

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 19, 2013

            JSquericia…I agree. If Ike was a Republican today, the Tea Party Koch Billionaires would toss him out on his rear. All any intelligent person has to do is see how military industrialists make their biggest profits…war machines, suppliers (Halliburton), military contractors for security (Blackwater) and a host of contractors involved in providing transportation. Guess what happens to the profits of these war bois when there is a 2 decade period of peace? So no. They don’t mind sending other peoples’ sons and daughter off to be killed and maimed..After all, profit is all that’s important to them. They smell money like a pig smells truffles.

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      3. Eleanore Whitaker June 19, 2013

        Do two parents who lived through that Great Depression and know more than the Great Angry White Middle Aged Fat Gut Bull Males know qualify? Don’t try and tell me why SS was created. My parents would give you an earful your righties would cringe at hearing. These righties are pickled in ostentatious BS they claim are “necessities? More BS…How many of them demand an annual salary increase they can only get by stiffing their employees at the bottom and middle? Most children of Great Depression parents had parents who so mistrusted banks…Not much has changed…Not when Madoff can get away for 17 years with $62 billion in fraud and theft of his OWN clients’ life savings…not unlike the pig bankers, Robber Barons and speculators of the 1920s who lived high on the hog without a thought of how precarious their decisions would be to an entire nation. But what righty ever worries about anyone but themselves? I had two uncles who managed to save $10K and $3 back by 1929…Guess what happened to that money when the banks slammed their doors shut? All of those savings vanished. Don’t talk about what you have not lived through.

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    3. SibyllasStuff June 12, 2013

      I agree that no one wants to complete a college education and have nothing but debt and no jobs. But the corporations have the “law” on their side – and weren’t they given status as a person? some years ago? I agree that the whole system of checks and balances have been infiltrated in ALL parts of what we are supposedly taught to be an effective system.

      But then again, I am nearly a senior citizen and I’m curious as to what is being rolled out for American public schools – the Core Curriculum. As if No Child Left Behind wasn’t bad enough.

      And what really irks me is to speak directly with my representative who told me basically that the “binding” of business and government was a GOOD thing. I think that is what was/is called fascism – and a lot of Americans went to Europe and died to protect the world from fascism. Now that the “Greatest Generation” is dying off, who will remember that?
      Or is this part of the core curriculum that will now be taught in our great globalized world.
      It doesn’t matter what party there is – the beaurocracy and the alphabet soup of agencies are entrenched. I shudder to think of the DHS and the amount of taxpayer money that goes for that. Not to mention something I heard about them buying ammunition – hollow point bullets. WTFrell??? The roads are in sad shape – and there is much work to be done in cleaning up the messes that are made. GMO contamination and other countries won’t buy our commodity stuff. And Monsanto was given a get out of jail card free (for 6 months) by both the Congress and the president. hmmmmm is that so they can’t be sued for all the health harm that GMO’s and heavy metals – industrial waste have caused over the past 20 years. Say, who is in charge?here????

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    4. angelsinca June 12, 2013

      “Young people want jobs.”

      Actually, they EXPECT jobs that pay a lot more than the ones they are willing to accept. Everyone wants a fast track to the middle class without starting at the bottom. The president promised them so. The last three generations have gone thru the same wants and trials as the current gen. The is the first time seeing all of the problems saddling the young being blamed on one poltical party.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 19, 2013

        angelsinca….So you work for 8 years for a PhD degree and you should be paid what? But a CEO like Bush with an MBA someone else likely earned for him? Well…he gets taxpayer help when he bankrupts his own oil company …Or how about the rest of the CEOs who main duty is to point and delegate for tens of millions in salaries? Sorry…if you work hard for your college degree, get saddles with a couple of hundred thou plus one of the highest interest rate when you graduate, you don’t look forward to a Mickey Ds salary. Not unless you are a red stater who leaves college with a degree and makes a bee line to Walmart for jobs.

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        1. angelsinca June 19, 2013

          “So you work for 8 years for a PhD degree and you should be paid what”

          What about the guy/gal that worked at WalMart for 8 years, enduring abuse by customers, substandard wages and no time or money to attend college, just to feed their family of 4 as the billS rack up for little Jesse’s leukemia treatment? There is ‘work’ and then there’s college. Working hard at either ‘should’ ensure more than gratuitous compensation.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 20, 2013

            angelsinca…Working in Walmart isn’t the epitome of a “career.” Nor, does it require an education. You are preaching to the choir here. I’m 66 years old, have an ill adult son at home and formerly had the care of a very sick mother until she passed away.

            I taught dance at Rutgers without a college degree for 12 years. All of the things you listed abuse by customers, substandard wages et al are a symptom of narrow thinking. No one HAS to work at Walmart. Ask me how I know. I have three jobs. I am up every day at 5 AM and out the door to full-time job No. 1 by 6AM…Job No. 1 finishes at 3:30 with an hour for lunch and then it’s an hour ride home to Job No. 2…online SEO copywriting…See? I’m what Bush called “uniquely” American because my 3rd job is novel and magazine writing. I’m truly sorry you have a sick child. Like you, I know that there is NO sane reason American healthcare has to bankrupt families. Fight against the greed in this country before it becomes the No. 1 most contagious disease there is. Open your eyes and see the games being played against people like you so that gamers of the world can have what you don’t…an easy life. Get in on that. Stop them in their tracks. They put their pants on just as we all do…one leg at a time…nothing special about them that isn’t just as special about you.

            There’s an old saying you need to keep in mind every minute of every day if you are a woman: “Work smarter, not harder.”

            I raised two sons after a divorce, paid off the mortgage on my home and keep the bills paid …just like you. Orginally, on a secretary salary under $30K a year. We all have dues to pay in this life.

            I NEVER settle for second best when it comes to the quality of my life. Walmart is 2nd best. Especially for women. Women who don’t acknowledge their inherent talents, skills and intelligence always shortchange themselves. All of the accomplishments I’ve made in life, you can make too. There’s a path…see it clearly or you’ll drag yourself down further. Life is a new path and new direction every day. Those who hate change most are doomed to extinction, banality and bitterness.

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      2. Paynotaxes July 1, 2013

        Exactly right the age of entitlement has been born.

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    5. tax payer June 18, 2013

      Young people main concern is ( where will they get their next drugs from ), so sure they care, but only what they like in life. The ( Republicans ) they are refusing for someone to become a Dictator of this used to be fine country.

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      1. JSquercia June 18, 2013

        For a Dictator Obama sure has a LOT of trouble getting HIS way (see record number of filibusters in Senate)

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker June 19, 2013

          You hate Obama because he so big and so bad and so not your color…Enough hiding behind your BS hate filled posts. You’ve been outed pallie…you’re a bigot…Any man from KY like McConnell who declares in the 3rd month of a new presidency “we will get rid of Obama,” is one of those good ole bois whose state lives off taxes people in other states are paying and those good ole bois are itching for another chance to get beat at another Civil War they can’t win …stupid is as stupid does…I love this president…I didn’t disrespect Bush …I didn’t like all that “extraordinary executive privilege” he claimed to have, his constant lies to save Cheney and Nanny Rice and his always flushing money into Big Rich Texas That Whole Other Country (that can’t live without tax revenues in the billions others are paying). Sorry…Don’t talk Dickheadtators till you man up and admit that Cheney was Hitler’s spawn.

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          1. tax payer June 19, 2013

            Parts of our bodies have his color, so what is your point? Color has nothing to do with the way he acts because he gave the children of illegals the right to ( stay here ) for two years and their parents are ( still here ) and they as you know are illegals, so why didn’t he require them to leave in order for their children to stay? Now, he wants the parents of these students to stay here because of breaking our Immigration Laws and that to me is a gift for being an illegal, and he doesn’t care how the American people feel because to him he has the first and last word. We will get rid of Obama, when his term expires and I am quite happy he won’t be able to control us for four more years since we’ll say Good-Bye and good Riddance.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker June 19, 2013

            The way “he acts?” Did you notice that phony swaggering and drawling of New England born Bush? Or do you righties just all have convenient memories that erase at the mention of the word BUSH? Obviously, you haven’t done your homework. The cost to deport illegals who have lived here most of their young lives is greater than the cost to legalize them.

            Now..question for the axemen of the illegal issue…Are you willing to make those employers who illegally hire these illegals for cheap near slave labor pay for the deportation? You bet your right wing patoot you won’t. Because as we all know…Righties are moochers…that include cheap nearly free illegal labor that jacks Mr. Illegally Hiring Illegals Employer lose profit…Fine the employers who hire these illegals and there would be enough money to deport those who deserve deportation. Of course, Big Rich Texas, That Whole Other Country will be on its rear if that happens since it and AZ are two of the biggest dependent states on illegal cheap labor.

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          3. TravisMonitor June 30, 2013

            “You hate Obama because he so big and so bad and so not your color”

            NOPE. Obama’s policies have killed jobs and hurt the economy. That’s reason enough to oppose that mediocrity of a president.

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker July 1, 2013

            Anyone named “Travis” just has to be a good ole good ole boi. And a big liar. The Dept. of Labor in 2004 showed a decrease in employment that escalated by 2008 to 8 million people out of work, a 17-year record….Who was president? Who had control of the House and Senate from 2004 to 2006? If by killing jobs you are referring to Big Oil jobs, that’s no loss. If the only thing a good ole boi is good for is to drill and pollute, your inherent value to the rest of the people of this country equates to a load of cow dung. Get a real job…not one that pollutes air, water and soil. Or blows up like that TX fertilizer plant. Sorry if the “ignernts” in this country can’t keep growing wealth off the backs of everyone else’s paychecks. We don’t work to make selfish loonies richer and richer…that’s YOUR job. If you even have one.

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      2. Eleanore Whitaker June 19, 2013

        taxpayer…Haven’t talked to many educated young people lately have you? When do the slugs of Moocherism who call themselves conservatives wake up and smell the coffee? Banks can borrow money at the lowest possible interest…while student loans are double the interest rate. Who makes profit from young students just trying to get an education so they can get jobs or create them? Slugs of the right who pig out with their daily “me, me, me” scams like jacking interest on student loans to fill up Bank CEOs paychecks. I see Bank of America made headlines …yet again…another scam where the ritzy bois steal and extort…You do recognize that greed isn’t good? Or do you just think all young people should be your personal piggy banks?

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        1. tax payer June 19, 2013

          I thought Banks use the money we put in as Savings and charge us a high interest for borrowing the same money from them. I didn’t know they borrowed at a low interest because they must have money there in order to stay in business. I am not a financial wizard, but why would they borrow money, when we put money in their Banks? Give me a good answer and I’ll believe you. There are jobs out there that don’t require a College Degree. These students can work there earning a good salary and go part-time to college, and pay their way, so they don’t have to owe anyone any money once they get their Degrees. Why borrow because you can get your education by paying your own way and working at the same time. It may take them eight years to get their Degree, but a lifetime of debt free from student loans is what we want in life.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 20, 2013

            You thought wrong. Banks take your savings and use them for investments. and what do we all know about investments? They are as insecure as a new born babe. This is why this president demanded reforms when the market crashed in September 2008 and that Financial Meltdown hit. All 401Ks took a hit and so did any mutuals or investments. The reason is simple. Banks don’t keep your money. They invest it. Until 2009, Bernanke and the President realized they were capitalizing on money that didn’t belong entirely to their banks. The assumptions by some banks is that once you put your money in them, they decide what they’ll do with it. Not you. So what they do is invest it largely in global markets that can take a hit at the drop of a hat as we all saw in 2008. The worst of the bank thievery was when they used mortgage loans they considered part of an “investment.” The reason the banks failed in 2008 was because the mortgages being written were insured to fail in the hopes that if enough failed, the insurance on the mortgages would cover any bank, not your, losses. The reason it didn’t was because the US’s biggest mortgaging banks held less than 20% of your savings in reserve. Ergo, the huge losses that nearly brought the US to its knees. The banking laws put forth by Bernanke and the president demanded these banks now hold 80% of your savings in reserve. But, the Republicans, not ones to be outdone by a smart financial plan, stuck holes in the FDIC insurance so that it no longer pays up to $200K insurance on your savings.

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  7. herchato June 12, 2013

    Most of the people that vote republican or the old white and the old south.

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    1. Rick2101 June 12, 2013

      White, male, and Protestant form the core of the Republican Party. That can be seen at GOP Conventions.

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      1. plc97477 June 12, 2013

        The part you can’t see at the conventions is they are also not smart enough to figure out what is going wrong. Or as some of us say going correctly.

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    2. idamag June 12, 2013

      Or paranoid people who can be convinced the government is a bid “they” out to curtail their privileges.

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    3. angelsinca June 12, 2013

      “Most of the people that vote republican or (are) the old (and) white ”

      The ‘problem’ with old or white people is…? Maybe men are the problem too. Heck, if you aren’t a minority or a woman or young, you may may as well just crawl in a hole and die, right?

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      1. Sand_Cat June 12, 2013

        That’s been the prevailing attitude for centuries toward women and “brown-skinned” people; too many of the “old (and) white” still seem to feel that way.

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        1. angelsinca June 12, 2013

          “too many of the “old (and) white” still seem to feel that way.”

          Nothing says bigoted and racist like saying old white people are bigoted and racist. ‘They’ shouldn’t be treated like anyone’s ni–er because of the color of their skin, ancestral heritage notwithstanding.

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          1. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

            Translation: Telling an unfortunate truth means that the teller is guilty of the crimes of the perpetrators. The true perpetrators become “Lily white.” (Sorry, I cannot help but be proud of that line.) Sort of a sick, distorted republicon “back atcha.” STANDARD repunk, teatard tactic.

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      2. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

        As always, you missed the point again. You people have been led to believe that the world is for you alone. Racism is OK. Greed is OK. Change is automatically bad. Building a better country is evil. I say Bullshit. I AM old and white, but I understand why we are seen the way we are. Because too many of us are hard headed, hard hearted, greedy, racist, assholes bent on subverting everyone to our narrow points of view.

        The promising part is that a large “minority” of us do not see the world as you do. Unfortunately, we are often lumped into a derogatory category because of the lumpen ideas of trash like you. Don’t like the truth, take your troll a** elsewhere. BooHoo!

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  8. FT66 June 12, 2013

    This Old Grand Party (GOP) has people who their way of thinking is really old like the name of their Party. They always talk: “we do not need to spend too much, so that we do not leave huge debts to our children and grand children”. For god’s sake, that is rubbish and it doesn’t sound nice in the ears of the young ones. The young ones need progress. They need to see that they can move fast from one State to the other (I mean here fast trains). They need to see those crumbling bridges are repaired. They need to see those airports look like other airports they see when they are out of the country. All these doesn’t bother republicans at all. They do not understand we use money to make things/stuff we require. We don’t hesitate to use it because we are afraid to pay. I would be happy to see the young ones demand what they need to be done, should be done now, now and not later.

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  9. Dave Ljungquist June 12, 2013

    Republicans have conveyed the message that government is the enemy. Young people may be reluctant to vote for a party that seems to believe that government can’t provide solutions to the economic and social problems that this country faces. A message that “at least, we can try to fix these problems” may have more appeal than the overwhelmingly negative, pessimistic image put forth by the Republican party. Why put the Republicans in charge when they don’t believe government can do anything right? Especially after they proved this point under Bush II.

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    1. Allan Richardson June 12, 2013

      And when conservative Republicans are IN POWER, they PROVE that government is the enemy!

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    2. angelsinca June 12, 2013

      “Republicans have conveyed the message that government is the enemy”

      Not really. They tend to favor reasonable LIMITS on the role of government. This doesn’t seem nearly as capricious as a government that has identified and treats one political party as the enemy.

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      1. Sand_Cat June 12, 2013

        Sorry, that may be how you feel, but it is not what the Republican Party has “favored.” The party’s divine patron Ronald Reagan said “government is not the solution, government is the problem” – please excuse me if that is not an exact quote, but it’s close enough – and he and his successors have striven mightily to make it so, with considerable success.

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        1. angelsinca June 12, 2013

          “please excuse me if that is not an exact quote, but it’s close enough ”

          Not really ‘close enough’. Here’s the quote from his first Inaugural Address, “In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”.

          This Reagan is more revealing, “I’m convinced that today the majority of Americans want what those first Americans wanted: A better life for themselves and their children; a minimum of government authority.”

          here’s another, “Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other”.

          Difficult to disagree with Reagan. He wasn’t divine. He was presidential. He was a trusted leader with human faults and few frailties. He didn’t throw like a girl.

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          1. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

            Close enough! Context is slightly off, but still applies to the “present crisis” and “old_blu” nailed the text, even though he admitted he was not trying.

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      2. old_blu June 12, 2013

        “They tend to favor reasonable LIMITS on the role of government”
        Except when it is going to effect them. I see where that town in Texas (West) wanted FEMA aid because the fertilizer plant exploded.

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        1. angelsinca June 12, 2013

          Playing politics with disaster relief is petty, don’tcha think, old_blu?

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          1. idamag June 13, 2013

            Old-blu is not playing politics. I see that person is putting out a hypocritical example for you to ponder. I don’t like political parties as they divide the country, but one party is worse than the other.
            The tparty screams about the government interfering in their lives and then wants to make laws for women that are pretty invasive.
            They scream about government spending with their hands wide open.
            They have a rigid set of rules for members to follow and thus not allowing any critical thinking.

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          2. idamag June 14, 2013

            In addition, the fertilizer plant was not the result of a national disaster. One plant, two houses and 14 lives does not equal Katrina or Sandy. The fertilizer owners had been cited for safety violations 14 times, paid their fines and business as usual. The cost of the explosion and the collateral damage should be on the heads of the business man who probably fought regulations.

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          3. angelsinca June 14, 2013

            “The cost of the explosion and the collateral damage should be on the heads of the business man who probably fought regulations.”

            Agree w/that. The explosions were a disaster and FEMA relief should be available for the victims NOW. It will take years for the legal dust to settle.

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          4. old_blu June 15, 2013

            And the state that wanted deregulation and pushed for it and probably looked the other way as long as they got their money from the fines.

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          5. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            You seem to be confusing deregulation with corruption.

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          6. old_blu June 15, 2013

            More than likely a little of both. That’s the point I was trying to make. (maybe not so good)

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          7. plc97477 June 15, 2013

            I don’t know a lot of the repugs did so after hurricane sandy.

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          8. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            They are politicians. They are supposed to play politics. When is comes to exploiting a disaster for The Party, we know who wins that one….cough…sequester…cough.

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          9. Sand_Cat June 15, 2013

            Choking on the lies about the sequester? Have to agree with you.

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      3. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

        You know, I really enjoy just marking all your posts with negative feedback. And it is easy too. They are basically all the same, so all I have to do is just skim through them. I know before reading that they are just a load of hateful, vicious, evil, lying rot. . . . 🙂

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    3. plc97477 June 12, 2013

      Maybe the young people notice that the ones saying government is the enemy are chomping at the bit to be part of it.

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    4. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

      Republicans have never been as popular as they would like us to believe. When a repunk is not in power he spends his time trying to disrupt our government. When he is in power he does what he pleases regardless of damage to the people that put him there. Ever meet the person that says all politicians are alike, or all politicians are corrupt? Odds are 90% of that trash votes straight republicon. Repunk reasoning works like this: If you can depress enough optimistic, progressive voters – then they might stay home. Then repukes win because they know their (often) hate filled, paranoid, greedy, and racist supporters will almost certainly vote. THEY WIN! Spreading dissension is one of their primary weapons. If the repubs can get us to hate one another, then they can win and spread their agenda. Just like the plague. It takes absolutely no moral decency to be a typical American conservacon.

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  10. elw June 12, 2013

    I think the problem the GOP has with younger voters is deeper than something they can fix. The college age group has really felt the sting of GOP fiscal policies as they graduated from college, deep in debt, and unable to find a decent paying job or
    could not find a job at all. Many are stuck at home with their parents, making it is harder to convince them that the GOPs policies on taxes work. These are young people who like to read, have the discipline to complete their goals and are not easily fooled by talking points. They have grown up in an interracial world of school, have had a lifetime of personal contact with people who do not look like them or believe the way they do and yet have become their friends, lovers and spouses. The majority are sexually active and know that the “Gay” does not rub off and do not understand the Rights concerns about the LGBT community. They are a very different generation then the old, white men group that dominates the GOP. The GOP will have to do some really hard soul searching and big changes to get them back. I do not think they have it in themselves to do it.

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    1. BDC_57 June 12, 2013

      I agree with you but when tea party attached them to the republican party alot of hate groups attached to the republican party.

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      1. elw June 12, 2013

        Actually the GOP basically embraced the tea party. It was a big mistake on their part. The teaparty itself is a hate group. Have you ever read some of their signs.

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        1. BDC_57 June 12, 2013

          Have notice how Lana and the trolls speak about Obama they must part of a nazis hate groups

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          1. elw June 12, 2013

            I do not pay much attention to people like Lana, they are very hateful.

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        2. old_blu June 12, 2013

          elw, you’re right about that the Republicans did embrace the tea party, and now it is a cancer that has taken over the Republican party, so they are afraid to do what is right for America, they have to bow down to them first, and the tea party is a horrible hate group as well.

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          1. elw June 12, 2013

            Well GOP is also paying the price for that move, they have been steadily losing membership and any advantage they had on a National level. Historically in this Country, Tea Party type groups do not last long in the spot light. They are doing a great job of help more Democrats and independents win election right now.

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          2. neeceoooo June 12, 2013

            Let them keep up the good work….

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        3. idamag June 13, 2013

          I have read some of their signs and yes, I think they are a hate group.

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    2. plc97477 June 12, 2013

      I am kind of hoping they never figure it out. At least until they leave the crazy part behind.

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      1. elw June 13, 2013

        I think that given the rate they are losing members, the sane Republicans are leaving the crazies behind. If they do not do some real changes soon, the Party itself is likely to lose National standing which will leave room for the rise a new Party.

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        1. plc97477 June 13, 2013

          Sounds like a dream come true. Let’s hope the new party is not crazy.

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  11. irishtap June 12, 2013

    Pardon the pun but, the elephant in the room is the fact – there is no Republican Party at all. The GOP has collapsed entirely. Extremists have taken it by force. This isn’t to say the Republicans weren’t complicit, in their own demise – they freely welcomed anyone with money, such as the zealots of the religous right. They sought political advantage and they didn’t care how or from where, as long as it created power. And the GOP’s indefatigable thirst for it, eventually caused them to wind up inside the belly of the tiger.
    For the most part they committed a slow suicide, through ignorance and greed. Now it’s nothing but a collective of anti-representative government pathogens dedicated to negate a woman’s right to make the same wages as a man or even be allowed to maintain autonomy of her own reproductive health care. The Tea Party can’t fathom a humane moral imperative for a citizen to have the “right to affordable health care”. And God forbid the federal government regulates pollutants or even repair crumbling infrastructure. These unpatriotic, obtuse insects are the one’s whom truly “hate America”. We should all be awe struck at the notion the “GOP” considers itself ‘somehow viable’. I think of the GOP as a fatality of a gruesome car accident, whose ghost doesn’t realize he’s dead. The shortsighted low brow leadership of the Republican Party has put representative government in peril.

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    1. angelsinca June 12, 2013

      “…there is no Republican Party at all.”

      LOL. Tell that to my 25 yo daughter and 21 yo son who both recently declared their preferences for Republican and conservatives. They each said they don’t like being harassed for being a good Christian or democrat-endorsed discrimination toward non-minorities (they are half hispanic). The spouse is a legal permanent resident alien and dropped the Dems to vote Republican in ’08. The true peril for America lies in the efforts to eradicate ALL opposition to the Democratic party. That doesn’t seem very patriotic OR democratic.

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      1. irishtap June 12, 2013

        Like I said there is no GOP, you and your children are alone in the wilderness.

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        1. angelsinca June 12, 2013

          irish is in a coma. the keyboard is set to auto.

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          1. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

            Speak for yourself. As I have told you before (and a certain other fruitcake), Why don’t you just go away and let us post for you? Every post you make is just the same. The same toxic viewpoint in every post. Definitely nothing “reasoned” has ever been written by you. Think of the time you would save and all the exquisite hate and madness that you could savor. We know what you are going to say before you say it. P.S. The reason I mentioned the “other fruitcake” is I wonder if you and her are one and the same.

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          2. plc97477 June 15, 2013

            You can bury your head in the sand all you want but it is not going to change facts.

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        2. Sand_Cat June 14, 2013

          Unfortunately, they have all too much company, and most of it is a lot nastier and more ignorant than our “angel” seems to be, despite his nastiness here.

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      2. Sand_Cat June 12, 2013

        If they don’t like being harassed “for being a good Christian,” at least they can begin to understand what those of us who have no interest in being a Christian, good or otherwise, have had to endure over the last 30 years or so, and – like the supposed discrimination that makes Christianity “the most persecuted religion in the world” for some of its more intolerant and oppressive advocates – I suspect most of the “discrimination toward non minorities” is largely a matter of perception. If they encounter it in fact, perhaps they should reflect on what it feels like for most of the rest of the world and for racial and ethnic minorities in this country to be deliberately humiliated and try to do something about discrimination in general rather than simply trying to obstruct the fight against it by claiming their inconveniences are on a par with the intimidation, imprisonment, and murder others have suffered and continue to suffer at the hands of the “conservatives” who switched parties when the Democrats decided they weren’t going to do it any more, and were welcomed with unquestioning open arms by the idealogical – but much more moderate – forebears of those who today call themselves “conservatives.”

        I do agree that single-party politics is not the way to go unless one party forces the issue by allowing itself to be taken over by batshit-crazy zealots. Some Conservative opposition is to be expected and likely to be beneficial in the long term. The current “conservative” opposition seems more determined to achieve its own extinction rather than that of its opponents.

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        1. plc97477 June 12, 2013

          Great post. I love everything you said.

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        2. angelsinca June 12, 2013

          “If they don’t like being harassed…”

          It isn’t the message, it’s the harassment. There is no excuse for being hurtful.

          “The current “conservative” opposition seems more determined to achieve its own extinction rather than that of its opponents.”

          It makes no sense for the GOP to end itself. It sees the need to fill the role of conservative. I’m pretty sure the ‘GOP is Dead’ story was not conconcted by the Republicans. If repeated enough, it almost sounds true.

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          1. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

            You really are THAT stupid. If you had read what your opposition said, you would know that is not even the point. The “real” GOP has been destroyed by every mental and emotional, paranoid, delusional, fascist worshiping control freak in the country. The GOP did not end itself on purpose, but by catering to the electoral “freaks of nature,” they have lost control of any platform or cohesion they had. We screwballs are about three steps to the right of Mussolini, and dangerously close to Hitler and Stalin. Yes, I said it, because it is TRUE!

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          2. Sand_Cat June 14, 2013

            I’m pretty sure the “Death of the “GOP” is not true as well: declining levels of educational achievement, lack of respect for education and intelligence – not to mention compassion – and the continued proliferation of greedy, selfish bottom-feeders bode well for a very long and prosperous GOP future, though not a very “bright” one.

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          3. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            Interesting how you assign most negative attributes for the GOP. Maybe I’ll become a Democrat. This should make me smarter, empathetic and generous. LOL

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          4. plc97477 June 15, 2013

            If there is no excuse for being hurtful why do you come here too debase others and throw insults around?

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          5. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            If you revisit my comments, they are usually defensive in nature.

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          6. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            You are beginning to believe your imagination is reality. Not yet. Probably not ever.

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        3. angelsinca June 13, 2013

          “..intimidation, imprisonment, and murder others have suffered and continue to suffer at the hands of the “conservatives”…”

          We just located the source of neocon hate. Thanks for the warning, Waldo.

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          1. Sand_Cat June 13, 2013

            Nice flippant reply.
            Since we’re into that, I like how we’re supposed to be impressed that your children are Republicans. Wow, children following their parents beliefs. That never happens.

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          2. angelsinca June 14, 2013

            “we’re supposed to be impressed that your children are Republicans”

            No. That’s a waste of time. I only offered ONE example that dispels the myth that the young have left the GOP. Surprised you just don’t call me a liar. But, you toss insults instead.

            And, OF COURSE you got a flippant reply.. What did you expect when you call me and my ‘conservative’ family murderers? Duh. Your defect runs deep, cat_litter.

            You may want to start watching your OWN party. It seems to be imploding. Those that aren’t under the bus are eating their young and you ALL lie to and about each other.

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          3. Sand_Cat June 14, 2013

            Of course, you never type insults or imply other (like the author of this article) are lying. And you know the latter is true, because you know two whole young people who don’t dislike Republicans.

            But thinking about your original post has piqued my curiosity. You say your children were “harassed for being a good Christian.” Tell me, did members of the “Left” “harass them for selling all they had and giving the money to the poor? For loving their enemies? For saying “those who take the sword will perish by the sword” when everyone was screaming for Muslim blood? For refusing to criticize others for defects they have themselves? For heeding the story of the Good Samaritan and standing up for a member of a despised group (other than one to which they belonged) when it could have really cost them something they valued? For telling the truth when they were the ones that would suffer for it? For praying and doing good (something other than sending $100 to Jerry Falwell) in secret rather than making a show of it? Did they sincerely pray for their enemies, asking something other than that those misguided souls be led to agree with them?

            My defects may run deep, but “my party” as you call it (it isn’t mine, and I’d rather vote for someone who actually acts like they believe as I do), but it still looks like the “communion of saints” compared to yours, and if they’re not always truthful, they look like a cross between George Washington and Honest Abe compared to yours.

            And since you insist on making this explicitly personal about my “deep faults” – in the posts you are so infuriated by, I don’t recall accusing you personally of anything, and intentionally left open the possibility that you could be misguided. But you want personal, here it is:

            Some time ago you became enraged with my “ill-informed,” “vile disrespect” for your “faith,” but you mock the words of the man “Jesus” far more than I ever could with almost every post you make on this site. Instead of nurturing and defending your “faith” in a pie-in-the sky caricature of him, perhaps you should look to the only detailed description of the Day of Judgment attributed to the man “Jesus,” in
            which the words “faith” and “belief” never appear, pride of
            place going to what the candidate did or did not DO. My recollection of the details is a bit rusty, but I’m pretty sure that deceiving thousands of naïve but patriotic individuals into invading a country and unleashing a conflict claiming over 4,000 of their lives plus those of several hundred thousand
            non-combatants in order to pound your chest and say that some third party not even connected with your target nation “knows what they’re dealing with” is not on the DO list.
            But then, since I don’t believe the whole book is in exact accord with your apparent interpretations of it, I’m not allowed to use it or quote it to you, am I? You’re too holy to stop to listening to the words of an “apostate” or “unbeliever,” aren’t you? Or are you just afraid we can read and think at least as well as you, and we think your interpretation is crap.

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          4. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            I don’t recall what you are talking about anymore. Not that it matters. You touched on so many things, I believe all you had to say is, “I don’t like you”. Not sure if I’m impressed or plain confused that you had to connect my children’s political preferences with a supposed illegal invasion of Iraq. Bizarre things people do when they hear things they don’t want to accept as truth.

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          5. Sand_Cat June 15, 2013

            Once again, the pot calling the kettle black.

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          6. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            Sand_cat, Sand_cat, Sand_cat. IF you didn’t get an answer, it is because you have no clear question.

            Again, you cry ‘you insult us’ and continue typing crap like this:

            “Blessings to you and all your fellow “Christians” who unrepentantly advocate (and vote for) dishonesty, selfishness, prejudice, murder and oppression”.

            Oh, all those nice a things you say about things you do not understand. Have good scratch in the box.

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          7. Sand_Cat June 14, 2013

            And by the way, are YOU one of those southern racists who abandoned the “n_____-lovers” in the Democratic party, because that’s who I accused of murder? If you are, that would certainly explain a LOT.

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          8. angelsinca June 15, 2013

            OK, so NOW you qualify your statement, but only as a tool for continued flippancy. When you make quotes out of context and without identifying the source, your audience doesn’t know what you are trying to say.

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        4. idamag June 13, 2013

          And some Christian religions teach them that they are persecuted and thus the new wave of paranoia.

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        5. mike June 13, 2013

          Back in the cat litter again!!! More diarrhea of the brain.

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          1. Sand_Cat June 14, 2013

            Another infantile remark.

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          2. mike June 16, 2013

            LOL
            From you of all people. Now that is funny!!!

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        6. irishtap June 15, 2013

          I concur, very well done.

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        7. DurdyDawg June 17, 2013

          We really don’t need ANY party as parties seems to equate to ‘sides’.. what we do need is leaders who listen, who are for the people, who are willing to compromise, who follow the bill of rights and the constitution and who truly believes whole heartedly in the oath of office that they took.. THAT’S what we need and to hell with drawing lines in the dirt. Once we rid the hill of all lawyers and lobbyists we’ll be halfway there.

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      3. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

        Too many American “Christians” believe that no one has a right to have a different viewpoint from their own. Anyone differing is “persecuting” Christianity. No one has a right to their own life or opinions. Any dissent is persecution. Face it, the disciples of Jesus Christ believe absolutely nothing that he taught. They are only interested in controlling everyone and everything around them. Tragically, they are generally the most ignorant and uninformed. Often to the point of being incompetent to manage their own affairs. I speak for myself, but I feel from experience, that most of us, including many “real” Christians, do not care what these evil animals believe. We just want them to go away, or to the hell that they deserve, and leave us in peace.

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      4. irishtap June 15, 2013

        That could be hysterical alright; if it weren’t so sad. I’ve never known a Democrat to mistreat anyone for his religion, though I’ve been witness to hatred from “Christians” for being a Democrat – IN CHURCH. But I digress, you brought up an interesting dichotomy…”good Christian”. By saying that – do you mean to say they’re exist bad Christians? Do the good Christians ‘never sin’? I practice Christianity angelsinca, but I freely admit to my own shortcomings, it’s the ‘holier than thou’ hypocrites, I like to give it back to. In the spirit of full disclosure: I admit to alignment to several conservative positions in my early twenties but – by the middle of the first four years of the Reagan administration – I was cured. I suspect your kids are probably smarter than you, and if they are of a questioning nature they will one day see the light as well. I grant you I have a left leaning bias, though I was a righty. Because of my opinions I seek comments of people on the other side to see if my conclusions are reasonable and I learned I was wrong about how bad the GOP had become: Because it is FAR worse. If you really seek the truth about your long lost Republican Party angelsinca – read ‘Goodbye to All That’ – Reflections of GOP Operative, Who Left the CULT’, by Mike Lofgren. He dedicated 28 years of his working life to the GOP in Washington D.C., he’s a brilliant and honest – he’s no fan of Democrats either. I admire this man and could vote for this him, though I’ll never be a Republican again. But…your not going to like what you read. In your defense I believe your intentions are good – just terribly misplaced.

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        1. angelsinca June 15, 2013

          “I’ve never known a Democrat to mistreat anyone for his religion”

          You just don’t read these liberal pages often enough. I shouldn’t have to tell you that if some Christians are bad toward Democrats, then ALL Christians are NOT bad toward Democrats. Anyone can find a book that echoes their beliefs. Try this on, “Circling the Drain: The Death of the Democratic Party”. Then, we can compare notes on which is worse. Again, you (and your left biased friends) attack one’s intelligence for not cozying up to the Democrat notion of rule, where the minority has no right to a voice, unless it changes to become what the majority demands. You so smart. Yet, you seem to try to be honest. Have a good one Irish.

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          1. irishtap June 15, 2013

            Please tell me you’re not comparing the Tea Party hacktivist Roger Gitlin to Mike Lofgren?! C’mon angel you offered me 1975 Ford Escort when I gave you a showroom Bentley. Gitlin is all anger, supposition and false assumption – he’s only another lost Republican. Lofgren (also a Republican) and clearly knows where he’s going, is a true American hero, for having the guts to spill the truth. I, as well as any informed liberal, could punch holes all day long in anything a Tea Party idiot has written, it’s simply a matter of applying critical thought to observe and analyze the insubordinate tendencies (which is standard T.P. modus operandi) and obvious propaganda via FOX – Limbaugh, Beck, induced paranoia. Conversley Mr. Lofgren (a Republican) writes in mass quantities of detail and facts. The difference between the two is stark angel, Lofgren is masterful in his fairness while pulling no punches. You will feel his ire but, no blind or excessive rage of gibberish. Certainly nothing misplaced or extraneous. Like I said: he’s no fan of the Democrats but, he puts the far higher percentage of our country’s ill’s at the doorstep of “his party”. For what it’s worth, I’m in full agreement, for his criticism’s about the Democrats. I read Gitlin, painful as it was – now you need to read ‘Goodbye to All That’. Should take an hour or more.

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          2. angelsinca June 16, 2013

            “you offered me 1975 Ford Escort when I gave you a showroom Bentley”

            Since the first gen Escort began in 1981, you were thoroughly short-changed. The Bentley is an overweight gas hog anyway. lol. Thanks for the review.

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          3. irishtap June 18, 2013

            Actually Ford put them out in Europe way back in 1968 I think. But no sense splitting hairs, I stand corrected.

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          4. angelsinca June 19, 2013

            I drove the new Bentley recently. It is opulence, refined. The smell of leather causes distracted driving. They must have realized this since there are proximity sensors everywhere.

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  12. Germansmith June 12, 2013

    Republican Party is straining to take the country back to the values and mores of the 1950’s. They are funded by individuals or institutions that also strive to reduce taxes and regulations.
    This is not likely to happen
    For good, for bad or for worst the new generations of Americans are not like their grandparents. Their values are different, most have no religion or no further ambition or goals than to have “more stuff” and have a good time. They are getting used to living in a world with no real privacy and with the idea that government (or their parents) should solve all their problems.
    And Yes, I know that I sound like a cranky old man, but with the exception of my oldest son I find it very difficult to conduct any meaningful discussion with any young ones lately

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    1. old_blu June 12, 2013

      Of course they’re not like their grandparents and we don’t want them to be. My son is 33 years old and very good hearted, educated, and a hard working young man, and most of his friends are as well, so I don’t see where you are coming up with the idea that the younger people are just after more stuff, and have no ambitions. He also knows he has to take care of himself.

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      1. Germansmith June 12, 2013

        Congrats on your son, my oldest is also 32 and I never said ALL young people
        Realizing that your father was probably right is a sign of maturity. Please do not forget that the hippies from the 70’s are now the Capitalistic dudes in their 50’s mostly responsible of where we are today…not the greatest example.
        And yes, I sound like a cranky old man and I want those dammed kids off my lawn!!!!

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        1. old_blu June 12, 2013

          Hahaha! That’s awesome.

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        2. neeceoooo June 12, 2013

          I guess you could always go move to the top of some hill in some far off spot with no one around. I am sure no one will be walking on your lawn then.

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        3. plc97477 June 12, 2013

          I think you need to get out and meet more young people. There are some very good people out there. I have met many that make me feel the world is to a large extent in good hands.

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      2. Fern Woodfork June 12, 2013

        Same Here My Friend!! My Son Has A Master And Working On His Phd And He Has A GREAT Job And He Do Not Like The GOP/Tea Party Cause What They Stand For!!!

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      3. idamag June 13, 2013

        And I have some fantastic grandchildren.

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    2. neeceoooo June 12, 2013

      But we have passed the torch onto the younger generation and you have to have faith they will do what is right. Regardless of whether you like them or not, they are there and will make the decisions for the future.

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    3. Sand_Cat June 12, 2013

      Very comforting to dismiss the younger voters as a bunch of shallow, selfish, and narrow-minded “natural Republicans,” as you seem to do. I agree that if they they were all these things, they would be naturals for the GOP, but branding them as such is probably a major contributor to the party’s poor showing among them. Should the Democrats follow suit?
      I’m a cranky old man myself, but I find the other statistic – that Romney won big among older people – far worse. These are people who saw – or should have seen – all the crap the modern GOP throws at them for what it always has been: callous selfishness, racism, sexism, and belligerent irrationality dressed up as “patriotism.” The GOP has not always been a purveyor of this crap, but one would hope that older, supposedly more mature, experienced, and seasoned people would see it for what it is.

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      1. PissedoffinAZ June 13, 2013

        I couldn’t agree more on you assessment of the older voters who should know better. AZ is a hotbed of conservatives to begin with. My husband and I do a lot of work in senior communities, and frankly we are floored by the open racism. I recently mentioned to a longtime customer that my husband, a Viet Nam vet, is having health issues related to Agent Orange, and we were applying to the VA for disability compensation. She commented “Is he black enough?” I calmly stated that all veterans were equally eligible for compensation for service-connected disabilities, and the process and requirements are the same for everyone. This is even “funnier” because my husband is Puerto Rican, and when I told him, his comment was “Am I BLACK enough? Seriously?”
        We hear racist comments far too often, but it is never any less shocking to us. Our Obama-Biden bumper stickers are on the truck, so customers know where we stand. When you’re in business, you don’t talk politics or get into it with customers, but my husband has drawn the line when people use the N-word in front of him. He is polite, but asks them not to use that language around him. On the up side, when we stumble upon the rare Democrat or liberal Independent, they get a special discount, lol!

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        1. idamag June 13, 2013

          I once asked a couple of people to leave my home for using the N word around my children.

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          1. PissedoffinAZ June 13, 2013

            Good for you! We have also told relatives that the any of the pejoratives for gay people are not welcome in our house or presence. At least two of them got the message when they found out they had gay sons. Unfortunately, too late for them not to have unknowingly kept their kids fearfully in the family closet.

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      2. Germansmith June 13, 2013

        Please re-read my original post
        I never said young people are natural Republicans…much to the contrary, they are NOT (with the possible exception of those raised within a Fundamentalist Christian home)

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        1. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

          Say what?

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    4. PissedoffinAZ June 13, 2013

      Actually Republicans in the 1950’s would be considered liberal by today’s skewed standards. Tax rates were quite high on the wealthy, (and they still liked Ike) resulting in good infrastructure, good education and good opportunity for all. While the country may have been more religious per se in those days, it was not the “in your face – do it my way” religion so prevalent now. Religion was a private thing, and you wouldn’t know who was what unless someone had a communion party or bar/bat mitzvah picnic. I did not know the religion of 90% of my childhood friends, classmates, teachers, and neighbors.

      Yes, there were issues of racism, & lack of accessibility to birth control, much less safe legal abortion. But public schools were free and they gave kids snacks and affordable lunches as well as a good education, and teachers and/or parents did not HAVE to supply tissue supplies. Public universities offered excellent higher ed at prices all could afford. All, again, due to a solid tax base.

      Companies were different then, too. They took pride in paying living wages, pensions, health insurance and providing extras, too. Bonuses, free turkeys or hams at the holidays, even gyms and cafeterias at the bigger places. Owners and executives made more, but only 4 or 5 times more than their employees, not the obscene salaries seen today. They drove the same kind of cars their employees did, and often lived in the same neighborhoods, or those only slightly more upscale.

      As for the idea that government or parents should solve their problems, I agree with the latter. I have three disabled young adults, and yes, the government is involved in their lives, but I work hard at making them responsible for themselves as best they can, and I give them holy hell when they waste anything, not hesitating to point out that their SSI checks don’t come out of the ether, but are the result of others who work and whose taxes help them.

      If kids are depending on their parents, and they are, I see two reasons. One, they learned that because their parents provided too much, protected them too much and now the kids don’t have the needed skills. They also expect to have everything their parents have, minus the 30 or 40 years of work spent getting those things. They didn’t grow up seeing the Kramden’s and Ricky & Lucy on TV living in flats with minimal possessions. They saw rich kids in upscale houses with designer clothe, cars, TV’s in their room. Many of them just starting out jumped into the overheated housing market, bought a big house and all new appliances & furniture, new cars, toys like boats and jet skis, Then lost it all in the financial downturn. Sadly, they were advised to do all of that by advertising, loan officers, and their own unrealistic expectations.

      But there is also the fact that young adults now cannot make decent livings, as people could in the 50’s and 60’s. A lot of them move back home, especially when there is a divorce or a spouse dies, because they cannot afford to pay for child care (or support), save for a down payment on a house, or pay high rent on a decent apartment. Minimum wage qualifies many people for Food Stamps! Back in the 50’s, 60’s & early 70’s there were good-paying jobs with benefits for anyone willing to work hard. Now you have to work two or three jobs to survive even if you are childless. A college degree is no guarantee of a decent job.
      You don’t sound cranky, you sound like many of us who worked hard all our lives, and may still be working hard. We hear stories about “kids” who take advantage of their parents, sometimes elderly parents, and expect them to support them as long as the folks live, and then leave them everything. Sadly, I know parents in their 60’s who do this, and their “kids”, who are in their 40’s, have not had to grow up. Well, we won’t be here to bail them out forever, so sooner or later the sh*t is gonna hit the fan!

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      1. Germansmith June 13, 2013

        Reagan would be considered a RINO by today standards
        Regarding the companies of the 50 and 60s ..it was a different time and were run by different people. I used to work for Kodak back 20 years ago and the CEO was an engineer by trade and drove a pick up truck.
        Now with the cursed MBA’s in charge, global economy and CEO compensation based on stock options, employees are no longer “our most valuable commodity” CEO’s usually work for a couple of years and jump ship to a higher paying job while leaving a mess behind.

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        1. PissedoffinAZ June 13, 2013

          My dad worked for a private company, Heil, in the 1950’s-60’s. One day he needed to use a company car, so they sent him out to the parking garage. I was with him and said “Take this station wagon, Daddy, it has a radio.” When we got home, my mom noticed toys in the back seat. “This is someone’s car – take it back!” Turned out it was the owner/President’s car. After that, it was a standing company joke. At the Christmas party, Joe Heil got up and said “Barney T. is here. Everyone make sure you have you keys in your pocket!” Point was, Joe Heil didn’t drive a Benz or a Caddy. He drove a station wagon like everyone else !
          I was lucky enough to work for a family-held company in the late 60’s early 70’s. They were considered one of the best companies in Milwaukee to work for, and they were that for the first several years. Once the original founders passed away, things began to change. Finally in the late 1980’s or early 90’s they sold out to a major publically-traded corporate player. By then I had left, but all my salaried co-workers were immediately fired and then re-hired as temps, with no benefits. Two years later, they were still temps.
          There is no point in having loyalty to most companies these days, because they have no loyalty to their employees. It is sad to watch people get forced out of jobs they held for decades so the company doesn’t have to pay them their full (or any) pension. Once their salary gets “too high” (but nowhere near the CEO’s) they get kicked to the curb for some kid out of college with no experience, no history/knowledge of the firm.
          Sometimes I will call a company and ask about a product they carried 10 years ago, and no one there can tell me anything because no one has been there that long.

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          1. plc97477 June 15, 2013

            These problems can be to a large extent at least placed into the lap of those who want to do away with labor unions. Labor unions give the employees a voice in their work place. losing labor unions means losing the loyalty.

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          2. PissedoffinAZ June 17, 2013

            I agree. The demonization of union workers, especially teachers, is disgusting, and part of the union-busting, and the elimination of public schools as well.
            As bad, those union states (who’s non-union workers have benefitted from higher wages) where GOP governors and legislatures are now pushing for so-called right-to-work laws. Having left one of the former (Wisconsin) and moved to the latter (Arizona) the pay cut was shocking and unexpected. Many of those non-union workers in union states are totally unaware of how good they have had it because of unions, both wages and benefits; they will be finding out.
            As recently as a year ago, I heard a daughter of an old friend, on Face Book, lament that she was not getting $14/hour to start, as she had at her former job. This was as high school graduate, no degree. Here in AZ, people that have worked at jobs for years, even decades, are lucky to be getting $12.

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        2. PissedoffinAZ June 13, 2013

          I forgot to add below that the constant invocation of Reagan is indeed hilarious. He couldn’t make it through a primary today. Funniest was recent Ted Cruz’s comment about the “Children of Reagan.” Ron aside, I wish Bill Buckley was still alive. I can only imagine the comments he would have about the anti-education, troglodytes now running the party (to the ground).

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    5. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

      Maybe, but consider this” The 1950’s were never like what the repub majority thinks they were. The majority of Americans were significantly different in at least a few aspects from the repub ideal, even then. “Official” policy just did not admit this nor give any status to these differences. If you were black or a minority. Right there, I killed off 20+ % of the effect of the 1950’s “paradise.” I do not know how many, but there were plenty of gays. Of course, they were all in the closet, with a few exceptions. Domestic abuse was rampant without any remedy. Women’s rights were fairly nil except having the vote. Seems I have killed off about 60+ % of the beneficiaries of the great, moral, Christian 1950’s. Poverty: Everyone had a right to be poor in the richest country on Earth. I think I am near 80 % now.

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    6. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

      As for, “they are funded by individuals or institutions that also strive to reduce taxes and regulations,” that’s bullshit. Without belaboring the point, they want to create laws and regulations that reduce their taxes, free them to behave as they please, and create onerous conditions on those they see as “untermensch.”

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    7. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

      And if you cannot talk to “any young ones,” have you ever really faced what the true cause of that may be? Unlike the four positive voters, as of this writing, I really did read your entire post. I do understand what you “really” are saying.

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      1. Germansmith June 13, 2013

        Well sorry
        Who do I think I am to argue with the Byrd brain?
        You obviously have a better understanding of my brain that I do.

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  13. PissedoffinAZ June 12, 2013

    I really doubt the validity of the “anti-abortion” statistics. I think most young adults take easy access to birth control for granted, and are unaware of the connection between anti-choice and anti-birth control issues.

    If someone would do a documentary on what it was like before safe legal abortion was available for all American women, not just the wealthy, it would be a real eye opener. I for one do not think a bunch of old white men should be deciding how women live their reproductive lives.

    How many jobs bills have you seen coming out of Congress, or state governments since the 2008 election, much less the “jobs jobs jobs” 2010 election? Almost none, and the ones that have been proposed and/or passed have been wage-killing “right-to-work” legislation, not job-creation bills.

    Meanwhile, hundreds of increasingly draconian anti-choice laws have been passed, many of the unconstitutional and doomed to failure, but not until millions are spent passing and defending them in court. They are almost 100 the purview of white, “Christian” men, many are cruel, and all are invasive emotionally and sometimes physically.

    “Iowa Republicans have introduced a bill that redefines murder to include knowingly “killing” a fertilized egg. This law would lead to the imprisonment of women who have abortions (currently, approximately one-third of women in the U.S. will have an abortion in their lifetime) as well as women who use certain types of birth control that prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg.”
    And latest from Iowa, every single Medicaid-funded abortion would be decided on an up or down vote of one: by the Catholic, anti-choice Governor. Because of course he has plenty of free time, since there are no jobs needed in Iowa, and no other work to focus on.

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    1. old_blu June 12, 2013

      You’re right just like them repealing Obamacare. What is it 38 times? And still wasting our money and time on all the “scandals”
      They could be working for the American people instead.

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      1. Fern Woodfork June 12, 2013

        You Got That Right And Quit Trying To Fix Other Countries Problems And Work On Their Own Country For A Change!!!

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      2. Russell Byrd June 13, 2013

        And there is even some new legislation that includes defunding ACORN again. Wonders never cease. Have you seen the video(s) where a repub con artist, oops, con-gressman proudly talks about votes repealing Obamacare as a right-of-passage for new repunk legislators. He explains that it is necessary to give the new guys bragging rights back home!

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  14. Sand_Cat June 12, 2013

    How will they do better “targeting” nonwhite voters when the majority Republicans seem very much in favor of “targeting” such people in a very different way.

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    1. angelsinca July 1, 2013

      Tiy vagueness is only only exceeded by the absurdity of assumption. Expecting ID to vote is as racist as using white milk with cereal.

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  15. HomerGreenz June 13, 2013

    “Bush’s fault!”

    Republicans blamed 9/11 on Clinton and the global credit crunch / market crash on Jimmy Carter.

    And now you cry when Democrats blame everything on Bush?

    Hilarious!

    The utter hypocrisy that defines every single one of you political douchebags (both parties) is endlessly hilarious.

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    1. Germansmith June 13, 2013

      Actually, for every action there is a reaction
      If it was no for Jimmy Carter the US probably would have never elected Reagan
      If it was not for Clinton and Monica, Gore may have gather the few more votes he needed to beat Bush Jr. (I called the most expensive BJ in the world’s history)
      If it was not for Bush Jr. blunders and excesses the US electorate would have never gone on a limb and voted a black dude for President. They would have probably voted for Hillary or for McCain (who kind of shoot himself in the foot by going to the dance with Sarah)
      So yes, Bush is guilty

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      1. Sand_Cat June 15, 2013

        The reaction from the right may be opposite, but it certainly isn’t “equal,” or proportionate, or even sane.

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        1. Germansmith June 16, 2013

          Left or right extremes are equally erroneous and over react.
          It is the tendency of most people to choose a side and stay there no matter what the facts show them.
          But non-partisans (real independents or centrist) are the ones that tilt the elections one way or the other.
          Seems to me that lately to actually win an election you just have to convince the 20% of independents of the population that your candidate will do less damage than the other choice

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    2. Sand_Cat June 15, 2013

      You moving somewhere else, or living there already?

      Unfortunately, you (and the rest of us) have to live with the actions of the “political douchebags” who are actually in power, many of whom are far worse than even the most partisan and irrational posters on this site.

      And even if you do live elsewhere, their actions are already endangering you, and everyone and everything else that’s worth saving in the entire world. Maybe instead of smugly sitting back and laughing, you should at least try to find the lesser evil – and there is a difference between parties, however much the gap is narrowing and one tries to project its insanity on the other – and at least refrain from accelerating the homogenization by equating it to the other.

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  16. Shawn Disney July 1, 2013

    We should face facts about “demographics”. It is debatable whether the US was “United” in the run up to the Civil War, but it should be obvious that we are even less “united” now.. Those issues were not solved, merely crushed by force. Ethnicity and Culture last a lot longer than “Patriotism” or” Nation” . There were lots of “Germans” 2000 years before they got a “Nation”. We should start thinking about amicable Divorce, like the “Czechoslovakians” did , rather than keep pushing this Diversive “Diversity is Good ” social engineering agenda.

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  17. Paynotaxes July 1, 2013

    Real reason is simple: Obama promises to hand out more to those with out: coupled with our educators brainwashing towards the left and we are headed to a more and more socialiist soceity. I will use my own son as an example: His class spent less than one day on Mitt Romney during the elections but over a week on the Presidential idiot we re-elected. That is not the way to teach.

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