By Jason Sattler

Biden Promises Gun Recommendations As Another School Shooting Is Reported

January 10, 2013 1:53 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 85 Comments A+ / A-
Biden Promises Gun Recommendations As Another School Shooting Is Reported

At a meeting with sportsmen groups Thursday afternoon, Vice President Joe Biden said he will deliver a report on addressing gun violenec to President Obama by next Tuesday. As CNN covered Biden’s comments, the news channel broke away to give initial reports about a shooting at school outside Bakersfield, CA.

The president appointed Biden as the head of his gun violence task force in the wake of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. In recent days he’s been meeting with stakeholders, including retailers and activists.

“There is a surprising — so far — recurrence of suggestions that we have universal background checks, not just [to] close the gun show loophole, but total, universal background checks, including private sales,” Biden said.

The vice president also said that his report would address high-capacity magazines and the ability of federal agencies to do research on gun violence, something the NRA has effectively blocked since the mid 90s.

Biden was meeting with representatives of  the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, Ducks Unlimited, and the Outdoor Industry Association. He will meet representatives of the NRA and the entertainment industry later Thursday.

NRA president Wayne LaPierre responded to the shooting at Sandy Hook by calling for armed guards at every school and by blaming videogames and the media for creating a culture of death.

On Wednesday, Biden told gun control groups, “The president is going to act. There are executive orders, executive actions that can be taken.” He  made no attempt to backtrack from his suggestion Wednesday, preemptively warning Congress that if they didn’t play a role in reducing gun violence, they’ll end up with the president’s solutions.

The president’s press secretary refused to clarify what executive orders may be considered, despite a hysterical reaction to Biden’s suggestion from the right. The New York Times’ David Firestone explored what executive actions the president might take — they mostly involve better enforcement of current laws and mandating reporting of gun-related crimes. Nothing close to the specter of confiscation the right immediately suggested.

Early reports from Taft High School in Kern County, CA indicated that two people had been shot and a shooter had been taken into custody.

There have been 695 gun deaths in the United States since the Newtown shooting less than a month ago.

Photo credit: Susan Walsh/AP

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  • InsideEye

    Teaching should go Virtual, no more class rooms except for taking courses on the Ipad etc. Teachers can safely teach from a centralized location. No more buildings to maintain, No more Dept of Education, no more texts to purchase that are out dated. Students are already acclimated to E- technology.

    • FredAppell

      Who is going to make sure that the children are learning? I don’t think that education should be optional. All it takes for your idea to fail would be for some parents and students to slack off because they lack discipline. I have witnessed this many times with parents who decide to home school their kids.

      • InsideEye

        I guess Schooling is also a massive child -sitting service…..and going Virtual could upset the national economy by not providing this service/Education. Virtual learning would work well for stay at home parents on welfare. and the super wealthy but not the working middle class. Parents/guardians are a key to herding students to complete their assignments…but some parents have no idea what students are assigned for homework and do not watch over them …it seems. I am a virtual cynic perchance.

        40 students per teacher @ 10,000 each= 400,000/yr. I may take on that job.

        • stcroixcarp

          A lot of online learning is watered down and ineffective. How does one learn music. art, science or PE on line?

      • ExPAVIC

        Wait a Minute

        As an educator in the conventional classroom environment which includes books, various projected forms and an instructor, I challenge anyone to provide concrete evidence that real, high level cognitive learning effectively occurs through the use of computer-based methodologies.

        The teaching of skills, for example, like learning how to teach human performance in the arts and sciences is totally out of the realm of “computer-based learning.” You can teach facts, dates and routine information by computer, but anything more involved than those areas is totally outside the scope of learning through the use of computers.

        Any questions?

        • FredAppell

          Are you sure it was me you intended to reply to. I believe strictly in the institution of public and private schools. I never had much use for home schooling. Since you are a teacher you will agree that home schooling and virtual based learning can never replace the kind of inspiration that only a caring human teacher can bring to education.

          • ExPAVIC

            Fred

            Not intended for you as an individual, it just looked like a good spot to insert my comments.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

      Isolating our children from the rest of society is not the answer. The problem is not inadequate mental care, or inadequate schools, movie theaters or temples. The problem is that every Tom, Dick and Harry can buy an AK-47 and a high capacity magazine and cause havoc among us.

      • neeceoooo

        Yes, Dominick you are so right, that is the problem.

      • InsideEye

        Any killer can carry extra magazines, knives etc. A woman recently killed her baby by giving excessive Chili Powder, Do we ban Chili powder or cars. These people are mentally strained by something, stress, misguided hatred, abuse as a child is a good one. were we all not given a loving re3minder by our fathers or a pot over the head by our mothers once in a while ?? I really think it is the need for mental care/love…. not recognized

        We have to teach other to chill out instead of becoming over anxious.
        Great thoughts never the less, Dominick

      • MaatDPX

        That can’t be right because AK-47 type weapons are almost never used in crimes, and have the lowest death toll of all the different types of firearms.
        Pistols, shotguns, and even little .22 rifles are used far more often in murders, than an AK-47 type of firearm. Of the 9,000 murders every year, rifles are only used for a few hundred. Banning the firearm least often used in crime is just silly.

    • Colorado15

      What do you do with Kindergarten through six grade, do you leave a four year old home alone to learn on their computer? Are you advocating that all women quite their jobs so that they can stay home with their kids?

    • http://gothougeekly.wordpress.com/ MiketheFormerLibrarian

      Huntsville, AL, recently issued laptops to all of the students in its district and made only etextbooks available. Gosh, were they surprised to find out that not every family has Internet service! And oops! they forgot to set the computers so they could be used at home at all (or even the library, for that matter). And gosh! not everyone knows how to use a computer.

      • InsideEye

        Tis hard to believe that America is not E-lectrified/WiFied, my Verizon bill says I am paying for E-lectrification of rural areas. I believe also probably every known human teen-ager is texting and browsing their life away… even as they walk through traffic…amazing in itself. Seems they are already isolating themselves into a virtual world with nothing but Virtual interplay. How many of them can tie a knot, or plant a garden to survive or have sex….ooops Strike that.

        • Pamby50

          InsideEye the only part of your comment I take issue with is the E-lectrification of rural areas. I live at the very edge of Memphis TN. I have waited over 3 yrs to get internet service. You could buy a connect card at $70 a month. Outrageous. Believe it or not that was the only thing available. Last year they all came soliciting for my internet business. Told them it took long enough. I do agree with you that by turning the schools into virtual classrooms our children loose. No interraction with others. No communication skills being developed.

    • AdamMos

      Bad idea. There is also something to be said about the socialization aspects of sending children to a school. They learn how to live in a society and learn how to get along with people that are not completely like them. It gives the kids a regiment and a schedule to follow. It teaches them how to solve problems when interacting face to face with others. These are very important skill sets for young people to develop. I believe that most home schooled kids are at a major disadvantage when it is time for them to go out into the real world. With that being said, I believe there are many great benefits to virtual learning as a supplement to traditional schooling.

      • InsideEye

        Tis hard to believe that America is not E-lectrified/WiFied, my Verizon bill says I am paying for E-lectrification of rural areas. I believe also probably every known human teen-ager is texting and browsing their life away… even as they walk through traffic…amazing in itself. Seems they are already isolating themselves into a virtual world with nothing but Virtual interplay. How many of them can tie a knot, or plant a garden to survive or have sex….ooops Strike that.

        Yes, there are great benefits to Virtual learning , I wish that I had this type of library whenI was in school. I do not consider this home schooling, though since professional teachers will be conducting classes…similar to college courses on line…….. just musing here.

        These killings can occur any where by mentally strained individuals. We have to recognize it and help them.

        It seems that the Laws can take a child from a parent isf abuse is detected but the same law makers can not take away a mentally challenged person away for help !

        • metrognome3830

          You are right in saying that we need to let our children have interaction with each other, that they need to be able to interact with their teachers face-to-face. As to why we can not take away a mentally challenged person, we only have ourselves to blame. At least those of us old enough to remember a time when committing a person to a mental institution became too easy. People who didn’t like their spouses anymore could easily concoct a reason to have them committed — sometimes forever. No more problem with them. Or with a problem child. Just get a willing doctor to say they were mentally defective and lock ‘em up. No more problem. Some of them actually did become mentally defective after years of isolation and abuse. So then we passed laws making it nearly impossible to commit anyone. So now, it is time to study the situation and come up with some common sense laws. Unfortunately, there’s no quick fix here.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bobnabout Bob Hartley

      Why stop with only”Teaching”. Let’s do everything “virtually”. No more offices, meaning far fewer real estate “moguls”. No need for gasoline because there would be no need for autos to go anywhere. No auto tags and taxes, and on and on. We could all just stay at home and not be bothered with all of the difficulties brought upon us by moving around. Get some huge computer screens…..WOW…..the possibilities are limitless. We could all virtually “do it” with anyone we pleased and no one would know the difference.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    The massacres we have endured during the past several decades are not limited to schools, and they were not all carried out by people with mental disorders. The only common element is that guns were used to kill innocent people. One happened at a political rally, one in a movie theater, another in a religious temple, and others in schools and other places. The motives range from a desire to kill fellow human beings, revenge, intolerance, non-conformance, family problems, and hatred towards people who look different. Short of barricading ourselves in the privacy of our homes, isolated from everyone, and armed to the teeth, I doubt we will be able to prevent recurrences without more stringent gun control laws and curtailment of some types of weapons.
    Nobody is talking about taking handguns from law abiding citizens, nobody is saying that hunters cannot enjoy their sport, and nobody is planning to violate the Second Amendment.
    What victim groups, and most Americans with enough common sense to recognize a serious problem are saying is that there is no justification for people to have assault weapons, semi-automatic weapons, RPG launchers, and high capacity magazines. Instruments designed for warfare should be used by trained soldiers during training exercises and in combat, not by the average citizen whose only concern is that someone may break into their house, may try to rape them, or wants to shoot Bambi.

    • stcroixcarp

      One type of gun violence that has not been addressed, but is so common place is domestic violence mass murders. Just this weekend in Colorado a man shot and killed 3 members of his family, shot at police then killed himself. We need to keep all guns out of the hands of domestic abusers. These guys kill women and kids.

      • FredAppell

        Where does it end though? Look, I hate guns and in a perfect world there would never be a single gun but what is to stop me from buying a gun tomorrow and shooting someone over some stupid reason. What i’m trying to say is, how do you tell the domestic abusers from anyone else, unless they have some kind of documented history of aggression there is no way to tell. Some gun owners will give you the shirt off their back if need be without hesitation and they won’t stop first to ask about your politics. Other people could have all sorts of mental and emotional issues and most of us wouldn’t even realize it until it is too late. The 2nd Amendment is likely here to stay. More laws won’t change the amount of gun violence. America needs to do some deep soul searching and try to honestly figure out what causes so much violent crime and all crime actually. We keep trying to treat the symptom while ignoring the disease. Please don’t think i’m picking on you because believe me, I get where you’re coming from and I sympathize with your comment but I also know that all the government is going to do is put a band-aid on the wound and call it a day.

        • kokuakaumanua1

          This may sound off topic, but please indulge me. You want to have a way to identify people who are anti-social, and this goes to our Education System.
          With the advent of the keyboard, the accent has been taken off Handwriting as a tool of expression. Any teacher without any training in Graphology can identify an anti-social student by glancing at their handwriting.
          Seeing signs like hooks, digs and slashes will alert a teacher that that child needs counciling. There is only a decade between an 8 year old who should be learning to write in Script/Cursive/Longhand and when they turn voting age.
          One of the saddest things about students turning to keyboards to write, is that they no longer have to think in sentences before putting their thoughts on paper. When one can cut and paste, it changes the mindset and mode of thinking.
          If you want to form a good society, you need to begin with Education.

          • FredAppell

            It is perfectly alright to be off topic. If something is on your mind and you feel it is important than that is what matters most. I agree with what you are saying 100%. Ironically, here we are corresponding by way of computer but it’s one of the only functions i know how to do on the computer. I’m a complete novice when it comes to the tech age and i’m only 43. I don’t even have a cell phone yet. I never had much use for the damn things and now we depend on them for so much that I believe we may have lost something precious as a consequence. Don’t get me wrong though, technology has major benefits too but people do tend to go overboard with its usage.

        • joeham1

          I agree with you. The issues run so deep. The violent movies, abortion, video games, poverty, education are all some of the reasons life has become cheap and under valued. Kids are smart, they see it. They grow up know where the world stands on life and how in a movie 100’s or 1000’s can die and then it ends with a happy ending. Kids hear their whole life the argument about abortion where some feel it’s their right to abort and other say it’s murder. Video games are now so realistic and kids can kill 100’s of life like people in minutes!

          But for the radicals banning assault rifles will make them feel better, even though deep down it’s not really going to help!

          • FredAppell

            Yes! See, you articulated it much better than I but your speaking an inconvenient truth. I think kids are more like little sponges absorbing everything around them and i’m sure it isn’t easy making sense of it all. Hell, us adults have the same problem. I sometimes wonder if we are all subtly becoming desensitized to violence. But until we are honest about it we won’t change.

          • joeham1

            If someone say’s let’s just ban assualt rifles and things will be ok, they aren’t being honest. This issue has spawned the gun haters to call for an Assualt rifle ban and that won’t solve the problem.

          • FredAppell

            Honestly, I tend to go back and forth on this issue. My emotional side wants to give in to absolute gun bans but I know that isn’t the answer because my logical side knows that people will use any means necessary to kill each other. History has proven that time and time again. It’s an issue that I am becoming more uncomfortable with as more time passes because I don’t have any solutions to offer. no matter what happens, there is going to be an awful lot of unhappy pissed off people.

      • jointerjohn

        I hear you stroixcarp. Very little is being being said about domestic violence within this debate. The NRA has announced that it will work against all congressional funding of research on causes for gun violence.

        This reveals the NRA as a marketing tool for the gun makers and not a credible player in this discussion.

        If they oppose research on gun violence they are just crack-whores for the gun manufacturers. Only idiots could miss this.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XEBABIXTISET3SH5VFOEWIK2PE rj

      Justify….yes we do people like you and the government you support. The second admendment is’nt protecting us from criminals or hunting rights. It gives us protection from the government who has big guns…so we got big guns and they will be getting bigger.

    • joeham1

      The real sad truth is there were over 500 murders in Chicago alone last year. Most of those were done with hand guns.

      Last time they banned assault rifles, during the years they were banned there was NO DIFFERENCE in the murder rate. To me that means banning them again will still make no difference. It may make the anti-gun group happy, but it’s not a solution.

      If we REALLY want to solve the problem than attacking, Violence in movies, video games, and mental illness. At least for now, like we guard the president or Hollywood stars, we should put guards at schools.

      Remember, If all the assault were gone they would use bombs!

      Large size clips should be banned and if a home with an assault rifle has someone mentally ill, the gun should be taken or locked up safely.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      I Know That If They Remove The Law What Bush Put In Place Where You Can’t Sue The NRA Or The Gun Makers, What You Bet They Will Do Something Then When They Start Getting Hit With A Lot Of Lawsuits!!!

      • onedonewong

        same for abortion doctors and their staff

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          Hey Asshole Go Fuck Your Self Maybe If Your Mother Gave Your Father Some Head That Night Your Ass Was Conceived Maybe You Would Not Have Been Hatched So We Wouldn’t Have To be Bother With Your Dumb Ignorant Ass!! TROLL!!!

          • onedonewong

            I saw your duaghter on a porno movie last night she looks just like you and is dumb as you as well

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GGHNYPK4GNCRYZLXWVZ447WHJM Plznnn

      Dominick, the only problem with chipping away at gun rights, is the people that want that are never satisfyied, they want more & more confiscation & control. By the way, the 2nd. Amendment has absolutely NOTHING to do with hunting. I just watched a video showing how much more effective and quick a shotgun can kill people that an AK-15 semi-automatic rifle.
      I believe Connecticut had gun bans at the time of the Sandy Hook killings, not very effective. And, many, many more children are murdered “every year” by Illegal “immigrants”, YET, Obama wants and is, giving “them” another Amnesty!

    • onedonewong

      Using your logic than the SC went to far allowing flags to be burned and the Klan to protest because some folks don’t like it. And that schools should allow children to pray since the vast majority of the public is for it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/47UD7UZ7UQ5IK3EO3BBZAS63IM Eduardo

    Hey, The National Memo: This is all fine and dandy but when are you going to publish an article on this rascal Al Gore, who almost became our President, and his sweetheart deal with Al Jazzeera ? Just asking ….

    • AdamMos

      Why do we care who Al sells his TV station to?

  • AdamMos

    Yes I have two school aged children and they do spend a few hours a day texting and emailing and playing on the internet. All the more reason to send them to school everyday so they learn how interact with people face to face. To curb the gun violence we need to approach it from several angles including common sense gun safety reform, investing and reforming our mental health system etc…….

    However, isolation and creating a police society is not the direction I would like to see us go.

  • InsideEye

    Agreed Adam, but also going to school is not the only social interactions that we have. …..as you know some do not socialize there either, for all kinds of reasons, we all have to get more involved/ communicate positively rather adversarially….a conscious effort has to be made to tone down the rhetoric. Of course I love prickly satire/mockery as a retort, at times.

  • latebloomingrandma

    695 gun deaths since Newtown? That’s like 2 jumbo jets blowing up per month. One guy tries to sneak a bomb onto a plane in his shoe, and we ALL have to remove our shoes to board a plane. Congress is ready to roll heads, fire people and create a major scandal about 4 Americans killed in Benghazi—yes a tragedy. 4 people vs. 695 people. What’s wrong with this picture? Our gun violence and death rate is a public health issue. “To ensure domestic tranquitity” is in the preamble of our Constitution. The safety of society at large to walk around and participate in life in a free country is in peril without reasonable regulations. We should be able to feel like we are reasonably free from being gunned down in a random massacre.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XEBABIXTISET3SH5VFOEWIK2PE rj

      You are…if you allow the person in the crowd or walking down the side of the street with you to carry a weapon. Solution ….and sorry but more guns. Hey you libs have turned your back on punishment for offenders so we will deal with them and you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

        Careful jerky turkey, you don’t have the brains or the combat experience to handle a gun safely.

      • latebloomingrandma

        Regarding punishment–The US has more people incarcerated per capita than any other country. We either have the worst people in the world living here OR we are not soft on crime.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jon.lapoint Jon LaPoint

      WOW!!! I wonder how many lives were takenby plan parenthood sine the Newtown tragedy nobody cares about that tho !!!!

      • Inthenameofliberty

        What an interesting point. But worrying about that won’t get someone’s political anti-gun agenda pushed through.

      • latebloomingrandma

        That is actually a false equivalency,. Besides which, a civil right to an abortion was rendered by the Supreme Court by way of the 4th amendment’s inherent right to privacy. If you’re going to be a stickler on the 2nd, don’t forget about the other amendments. As concerned people choosed to limit abortions because of the tragedy of such, others are thinking about the unlimited , seemingly unrestricted right to guns, because of the tragedies possible there. Basic civil rights are guaranteed in the Constitution, but when society at large is effected, then reasonable protections are sensible for all of us.

      • http://mohammeddressup.com/ I Zheet M’Drawz

        Not enough! Free abortions for everyone!

    • Inthenameofliberty

      I don’t have the best answer. But someone sent me a quote today: Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
      Maybe all gun owners need to prove that they at least own a locked gun cabinet.
      Listen – cities with gun laws in place have some of the worst offenders of gun violence – because bad people will always have access to guns.
      I agree that guns need to be out of the hands of bad people. Background checks are essential. But taking guns away from good people will not stop the bad people from getting guns….it will just make the good people defenseless.
      We need to work together to ID people who are troubled instead of turning a blind eye to them. Somehow, working together in a positive way.
      There should be a way. So far, I have not been shown it and I do not know what it is.
      We are always one generation away from a kinder, gentler world.
      Then we adults go and screw it all up by raising our kids to be just like us.

      • latebloomingrandma

        And yet, according to Mayor Bloomberg, since NYC has passed some of the strictest gun laws in the US, NYC’s homicide rate has shown a dramatic decrease, that they can claim being the safest large city in the country. A city of around 10 million actually had one day last year with zero homicides. A record for them.

        • Inthenameofliberty

          That is great news.
          I will refute with one word: Chicago.

        • onedonewong

          To answer your statement look at the FBI statics for violent crime. Notice that NYC also had no rapes reported to the FBI. Me thinks Bloomberg is full of horse manure

    • tobewan

      Perceptive thinking, “Grandma” and yes, relatively, there is something wrong the picture currently. Remember how it took several accidents before they put a light at the bad intersection? Likewise, how many shootings before significant action is taken? Don’t sell the President short. If there is any way to get action in spite of the GOP, that’s General Obstructionist Party and all other Resisters, HE WILL DO IT.
      We are watching and waiting to see how this all unfolds, and hoping for good results for all the innocents – young to old.

    • onedonewong

      I agree time we start to lock up all those who are causing these deaths. Anyone with AIDS should be warehoused in Arizonaor NYC to live out their days, same for those addicted to drugs and anyone not finishing high school since they are our future criminals. time to get ahead of this death curve

  • InsideEye

    Agreed Adam, but also going to school is not the only social interactions that we have. …..as you know some do not socialize there either, for all kinds of reasons, we all have to get more involved/ communicate positively rather adversarially….a conscious effort has to be made to tone down the rhetoric. Of course I love prickly satire/mockery as a retort, at times.

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  • InsideEye

    Well, I came from a culture where that was the norm. ….. low and middle class had nearby families/friends to keep everthing in check, and we all looked out for those that were about to go amuck by saying something. If you see something …say something.

    • tobewan

      InsideEye: Where you came from, looking out for one another was the norm? Sounds like what our Creator expects of us – to do justly and to love mercy. Controlling our passions, like Jealousy, Envy, Spite, hatred, etc, all the morals need to be taught again, instead of kicking them out along with the Creator because it offends some adverse culture, including Evolution. Whatever happened to “Sunday School” where higher values where taught?
      Seems the culture here in America is changing so fast its spinning out of control – brother against brother, political party against political party, teaching disrespect for the President — we’ve come along way since the days of FDR, and it doesn’t look all that good.
      Instead of loving our neighbor, we are taught evolution and every man for himself, hence you get rid of who ever stands in your way. And plenty movies and TV series and computer games to teach the same. No, its NOT the only answer, but there have been so many bad choices and sins, it will take a higher power to straighten out the MESS we created and are creating. Some say we are expected to straighten up the mess by ourselves.
      Some realize that is impossible and we need Divine intervention to help us. This latter is true, and our current struggle will lead to that conclusion on everyone’s part. Thus the continued stress to Pray for the kingdom to come – it is coming!

  • Johnny

    Above there is a sentence speaking of 695 gun deaths in the last month. That in and of itself is not a lot considering it covers the entire country. I am from NYC where hundreds of people disappear every day and for those that get to talk of it the general attitude/s is/are, it weren’t you. So, you see, there is no change other than the neighborhood.

    A few hundred here and there means nothing. Chicago is no different other than it is in a different part of the country. Most cities are the same. Lots of violence with little if any help from the law enforcement. If those living in any thing resembling a city needs to carry some form of a weapon. If not a gun it will be a screwdriver of club. It is basic survival.

  • lambypie

    thank you Dominick Vila what a world this could be if there was just more common sense.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XEBABIXTISET3SH5VFOEWIK2PE rj

    The lib who wrote this article is informing us of 695 gun deaths since the Newtown shooting. Probaly 80% by liberals who shot themselfs trying to figure out which end the bullet comes out of. No seriously bet most were criminal acts or wackoos committing sucide. All of these there are laws on the books to deal with, and the liberals don’t want to. Fact is lib…no one is going to surrender their weapons, register with a federal firearm commission.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FN3BIZ6GNX3GFCXQGT3C4FTENQ GARYS

    most of the shootings in this country is gang related, then we have the mass shootings in schools and theaters. we know the reasons for gang related homicides but we don’t know the root cause of the school shooting by our younger generation. before passing more gun laws they need to start looking at what is behind the shootings of small children by some young kid. this to me is a mental issue that the government don’t want to address. i grew up and was taught how to use a gun it stayed i the gun case until you went hunting or target or skeet shooting, you never pointed a gun at no one empty or loaded, you also lock your guns up i a gun safe when not in use, to protect the young children from gaining access to any weapon your may own. i think a lot of kids today don’t have the right up bringing, they have no respect for others or them selfs, and this all reverts back to the parents, they are to busy with there own lives and more worried about making a buck, no family values. america needs to get back to basics and start being a family again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TT6POTCLZCE74T76WAJIIIUAHU frida

    This non-stop of shooting at schools have gone out of control. Has this country become Somalia? It seems there is no government and no regulations. Why should any citizen live in fear all the time? This is not acceptable at all. Those concerned must tackle the issue and let each and every individual live in a civilised manner and peacefully.

    • MaatDPX

      There has not even been 1 school shooting every year, so why do you say it is out of control? There are about 9,000 firearms murders every year, so these 2o or so school deaths are insignificant, regardless of how tragic they are.
      If you are worried about firearm murders, then worry about pistols and shotguns, because they are used thousands of times more often to kill.

  • http://www.facebook.com/constance.wilds Constance Wilds

    Mr. Vila, I can’t agree with you more. There is absolutely no reason that a law-abiding American citizen should have the right to own assault weapons, semi-automatic weapons, RPG launchers, and high capacity magazines. I don’t disagree with Americans having the right to own guns for personal protection or hunting purposes. However, short of a zombie apocalypse or war on American soil, heavy assault weapons are not needed to accomplish those goals.

    Yes, people will continue to be murdered with or without stricter gun control. Yet, if we ban personal ownership of the weapons you mentioned, mass murders like the horror in Connecticut can be avoided.

    • MaatDPX

      Constance Wilds, you are wrong because there is no such thing as an assault weapon type. Almost any weapons can be used as or modified for assault use. Shotguns and pistols actually are far more deadly. There is no way to ban that made up category effectively, and those proposing the bans know it. Actually they want to ban all private firearms, and that can’t be allowed. The US is supposed to have a citizen soldier army, where there is no standing military elite.

  • bchrista

    I keep hearing the same bullshit argument over and over again let’s ban violent movies, violent video , video games and so on. As a kid I watched movies of wars, movies of gansters driving the down the street or standing on the sidewalk shooting each other, cowboys having a shoot out at the OK Corrral or cowboys and Indians fighting and showing scenes of Indians supposedly slaughtering civilians in their homestead, they had video games that allowed you to shoot at different things,animals,people,or different objects yet inspite of all of this you didn’t hear of kids going into schools commiting mass murders or the kind of killings you read about today.I remember if you had a beef with someone you went into an alley or school yard and Duked it out no weapons because if either one of you pulled a weapon your own buddies might just jump on you for shaming them, once the fight was over you shook hands and each went his own way, and none of those medias had an effect on how we behaved, but then in the 50s we had an epidimic of Saturday night Specials, cheap hand guns that you could buy for little or nothing and everybody could own one, so kids started buying the cheap guns because they were cheap and easy to hide on your body. these guns were so bad that they could blow up in your hands when you fired them, but it gave kids a sense of superiority and now they were tough and instead of settling things the old way why take a chance on taking a beating when you could pop a cap in someones ass and put an to the fight right there and from there things esclated to what we are experincing today. As kids were able to get more powerful weapons their range of violence expanded and if anybody did anything they didn’t like or what ever, the way to settle it was to shoot a bunch of people to show them haw bad he was it didn’t matter that a lot of innocents would be hurt piss on them that will teach them to mess with me, then when they get caught they do one of two things they go into their crazy act which I’m possitive they have practiced a lot of times and they know before hand that there are a group of people that are weak and will feel sorry for them and there is a possibilitythey could be sentenced to a mental hospital where once the hospital declares them sane they will be released, into the general public there are cases like that right now the movie theater shooter is one that comes to mind or, the other option they do what Lanza did commit suicide before the police arrest then. The bottom line is to say that our children are more important to us than a bunch of people that don’t want to give up there weapons so fuck the NRA and enact laws that actually punish people that don’t surrender their weapons and then enact a law that if you are caught with a weapon the punishment will be so severe that you don’t want to be caught, and then equip every home with an alarm system that the minute your safety is violated a patrol officer will be at your front door, also get yourself a good guard dog one that barks a lot if someone comes on your property to alert you, believe me most thieves don’t want to mess with a dog especially if he is trained properly, make sure that he won’t take food from no one except his owner only and you can’t be better protected by anyone, your animal will die before he lets anyone hurt the family, you don’t need a gun.

    • MaatDPX

      bchrista, you are totally wrong. Firearms prevent millions of rapes, robberies, and murders every single year. Police are never going to be able to protect anyone. Their response time is often over a half hour. And a dog is not going to help protect your car or if you break down in a rough neighborhood.

  • bchrista

    I posred an earlier article here concerning guns and ended it with a piece about dogs ifyou wantto make the dog guard more effective you can do what my friend did to his dogs, he owned a club and in order to back up his security he had two Dobermans and it sounds cruel but you would be surprised how effective it is,he had their vocal cords removed and he kept one in his club and one at home to protect his wife and daughter, you know what he was never broken into at his club and he was relaxed because he knew that his wife and daughter were safe at home while he was at the club, just imagine someone breaking into a businessand confronting an animal that barks but makes no noise but is ready to tear his ass up that will discourage any future breakins, plus the fact that your wife and daugher are safe at home, and no guns that a thief could wrestle away from your family and hurt them I highly recommend it,only I would rather have a German Sherpard, a Rothwiller or, an Akita for those of you that don’t know anything about an Akita, this is the Japanese national mascot if you owned one and got to the point where you couldn’t afford to feed and take care of him just call the Japanese Embassey and they will come and get him and take him to their Embassey and nurse him this is the only country in the world that will do this.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRF6YP2MHXVY4KTXM3WMOGZ5BA Jose T

    It is very apparent that many parents have lost control of their children. The Tail is waggling
    the Dog!

    Why?

    Whatever happened to the days that dad or mom could discipline their children without fear
    the the children would call 911?

    Whatever happened to the days when dad and mom would show good family values at home?

    Whatever happened to the days when we could trust our religious leaders?

    Whatever happened to the days when we could trust our President, Vice-President, and
    members of Congress?

    Whatever happened to the days when we could trust our Corporation Leaders?

    Whatever happened to the days when a marriage was between a “Man” and a “Woman”?

    Whatever happened to the days when we prayed for ourselves, family, friends, relatives
    and the United States of America?

    • Richard Downs

      Despite agreeing with your points above, I doubt they really have anything to do with these one off wackos wheeling a semi-automatic weapon at innocent people and more recently kids.

      I’ve never understood the almost revered attitude so many Americans have towards the possession of guns. They have a singular purpose: to kill and kill efficiently! Why do we harbor this attitude? Just because the Bill of Rights guarantees it so? If the context of the 2nd amendment has anything to do with understanding why it’s there (and I happen to believe it does), then why is, ‘ a well formed militia’ even mentioned and almost always left off when quoted? Because that’s the context of why the founders included it. There was no organized military at the time, and countrymen were often called upon to form a militia and fight. Hence the reasons for guns. There were more often used for hunting and providing for your family. Does anyone really believe that our guns today stand any chance against a tyrannical government uprising? You think your AR-15 is going to protect you against a Stinger Missile, or RPG? Who are you kidding? It won’t matter. If we ever get to that point, life as we know will cease to exist. We will already be imploding in on ourselves.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    back round checks are a no brainer thy do them for jobs and a lot of things . why not have one when some one wants to buy a gun ? it can murder innocent ppl. and thy do . and the stopage of multi- rounds clips is a good thing . and those who vote against it me thy and their love ones be the next innocent ppl. murdered . maybe then thy might say i wiosh that murdering POS didnt have so many shots. and if thy still want to vote for these thing after thy lose a love one then their head is so deep up their but theres no hope for those ding-dongs anyways and may it just be them that takes a shot for the evil POS that murder’s innocent ppl. and these evil POS are noithing but cowards in the first place

    • MaatDPX

      No you are wrong. Background checks cost $20 and are very difficult to do unless you are a licensed dealer. So background checks don’t make any sense until they are free and anyone can do them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GGHNYPK4GNCRYZLXWVZ447WHJM Plznnn

    Joe Biden needs to discuss how they will also keep psycopaths off the streets & in institutions. He needs to bring in Hollywood directors to discuss how their violent & sex movies & video games for profit are influencing our youth. Then we need to arm & train several teachers or school personal in school settings while also equipping every teacher & all personal with strong pepper spray to have many sources of security, and maybe install steel doors on all the classrooms. The answer is not just more gun bans.

  • MaatDPX

    Gun control will never reduce murders like this, and actually only make them worse as the majority is left defenseless. These attacks are statistically insignificant. Everything that can happen, will happen eventually, and many things in life simply can never be prevented.
    And the last thing any free nation can ever allow to happen is for only hired soldiers to have the weapons of war. You might as well just just have us all put a slave collar around our neck. It is insane.

  • MaatDPX

    The source of freedom and safety for women is possession and training in a pocket automatic. Women will never be bigger and stronger, and there will always be those who would attack them. Anyone thinking getting rid of the only defense women have will help, is on the wrong side.

  • MaatDPX

    Since firearms prevent millions of rapes, murders, and robberies every single year, anyone attempting to sue gun makers or the NRA, will be hit with massive counter suits that will make the NRA and gun makers very wealthy.

  • MaatDPX

    Any you did not ask WHY there are 500 murders in Chicago alone last year?
    We all know why. It is because poverty, injustice, lack of opportunity, lack of health care, lack of education, etc., will always cause crime. We can easily end crime and murder, if we really wanted to. But eliminating firearms will only increase crime, as most of us no longer have the means of defense.

  • MaatDPX

    Several hundred thousand die each year in the US from simple medical malpractice. That dwarfs all the crimes and firearm deaths. It it even larger than the traffic deaths. Firearms are the very least of our problems, and deserves none of this hysteria. There has never been a need for firearm regulation except perhaps mandatory training. When there were twice as many firearms per person 50 years ago, there were half the murders per capita. We need to go back to that, not towards taking away means of defense.

  • MaatDPX

    Since firearm prevent millions of rapes, robberies, and murders each year, these few incidents are hardly like a dangerous intersection. It is a success story. Clearly more firearms would make society even safer. These few incidents could easily have been prevented if only there were social programs to take care of those with mental illnesses. Everyone knew these people had problems, but no one wanted to help. We are too cheap to help anyone. We are the only civilized country in the world without public health care. And it is foolish to blame firearms when clearly it is our fault for not giving these people the treatment they needed, asked for, and we refused to give.

  • pogo_patti

    Have to agree with Dominick. It is a good start…now finish the page! What about the penalties for those who sell to these punks? Parents, who allow their children to use guns and take them to school or keep them in an open cabinet or no cabinet at all? Let’s get real serious on this one! The shootings are increasing and will continue to do so until you come up with a solution. I watched on the news as a man bragged about selling over 20,000 high power weapons and ammunition at a gun show he had been at the day before and was now selling them at another! Why not shut down the gun shows until you can get the law enforced as the ones who want them are rushing to get them now! Love you Biden but you have to get this one right!

    • MaatDPX

      There are no laws not being enforced at gun show. The guy selling all those new weapons did a background check on every single one of them. The only people who can sell without a background check are individuals who want to sell an old used firearm to a private person. And until background checks are free, you can’t make private people use them for a private sale of used weapons.

  • pogo_patti

    Of course there are laws being enforced at some gun shows! Some of the criminals who have killed have been seen and photographed at gun shows. Do you think they are just there to look? I agree that the laws are there….like everything else…it is the enforcement of those laws! The laws do not do any good if they are not enforced. I agree with Dominick except laws are no good without enforcement.

  • pogo_patti

    I did not say that the man on the news selling the guns did not check out his customers…..he is just one trader. Many of them are honest. It is the ones who aren’t I am concerned about! How many of the gun sellers have been penalized? Never hear that on the news. Make the investments free, if that is what you have to do, for private sales. To me the main thing is enforcing laws we all ready have. The other end, those who are mentally unstable, is another subject. We have taken away the therapy for many of those people and they are now just offered medication….no one is working on the problem!

  • RetREMF

    Three times as many people are killed in or by automobiles than guns. And there are more alcohol related traffic fatalities than gun deaths. Not that it matters but there are far far more chronic and acute alcohol-attributable deaths according to the CDC.

    So why not advocate for control of that which is deadlier – both vehicles and alcohol ??

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