By Jason Sattler

Children With Cancer Denied Treatment Due To Shutdown

October 2, 2013 1:32 pm Category: Countdown To Shutdown, Memo Pad, Politics 205 Comments A+ / A-
Children With Cancer Denied Treatment Due To Shutdown

For every week the government is closed, 10 children with cancer will be denied access to clinical trials, according to a spokesman for the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

“There are four new protocols [clinical trials] ready to start next week, and they won’t be starting during the shutdown if we’re still shut down,” John Burklow told ABCNews.com.

The NIH has put 75 percent of its 14,700 employees on indefinite leave. The 1,400 clinical trials currently in progress will continue, but new trials that would include 200 people — 10 of them kids with cancer — will have to be delayed until the government funds the institution.

“Just to be clear, we aren’t turning patients away permanently — we would be delaying their admission, since we are not enrolling new patients at this time,” Burklow told AFP.

As both Republicans and Democrats seek to blame each other for the government shutdown, the conservative media has been playing up the spectacle of veterans being denied access to the World War II Memorial in Washington D.C. Monuments were kept open during the last government shutdown — however, that was before the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

In addition to the estimated $300-million-a-day hit to our economy, 800,000 federal workers are not getting their paychecks, and the loss of access to national parks, medical research, disease prevention and food safety are areas where the public may feel the direct impact of the government shutdown.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) furloughed 9,000 employees and cut back on the flu vaccination program.

“The vast majority of the CDC is actively in the process of shutting down,” CDC spokeswoman Barbara Reynolds said. “We’ve gotten really good at trying to find outbreaks, but our strong network is getting weaker. … This is spotty.”

The Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration says it will have to delay investigations into violations. While meat inspections will continue, the Food and Drug Administration will inspect few if any of the nation’s estimated 20,000 food facilities. In addition, no new medical treatments will be considered by the Administration during the shutdown

While the Affordable Care Act’s open enrollment has not been delayed, the standoff over funding the law is still threatening the health of Americans in ways that will only get worse as the impasse continues.

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  • gvette

    Barry, And Harry, doing exactly what they want to do.

    • johninPCFL

      The teabaggers have been trying to accomplish a shutdown since 2010 (see the videos on youtube.) Add to that the letter sent by the teabagger caucus to Boehner in August, well before the flurry of activity in the last week, demanded that he shut the government down rather than fund ACA.
      The teabaggers got exactly what they’ve been trying to get for the past several years. Unfortunately for the knuckle-draggers, they left plenty of video footprints for the world to see.

      • gvette

        Spoken like a true demonrat! The house is trying to save the country. Your friends, Harry, and Barry are the ones that have caused this. You, like the rest of your ilk, just don’t get it. LOL..yes, I know, you get your news from youtube, and a comedian. Try real news sometime. Barrycare, and you folks are a disaster. As he said, he will not deal. He,
        and Harry think he’s king.

        • johninPCFL

          So the teabaggers were just lying during their campaigns (when the videos were made)? I believe that they were lying. But not about their determination to shut down the government. And they’ve succeeded in convincing the droolers that they really didn’t mean to do it, even though that was the plan from the beginning.

          • gvette

            The tea party is about smaller government, and lower taxes.
            I know that goes against the creed of the demonrat party.
            They haven’t lied about anything. Kinda funny. Barry hasn’t told the truth about anything.

          • johninPCFL

            Really? Which part of dictating a women’s health choices falls into “smaller government and lower taxes”? Which part of limiting voting choices? Which part of marriage equality?
            When the tea party was taken over by Dick Armey and Tom DeLay and morphed into the teabaggers, they abandoned all connection to their previous direction. Now they want federal government action on gay marriage (smaller government?), federal government action on abortion (smaller government?), etc. Essentially, no government at all except for the police stationed in all bedrooms, all doctor’s offices, all polling places, etc. The teabaggers are much more socially active than the Taliban was, and just as restrictive.

          • gvette

            I am not part of them, i’m just a conservative. I haven’t seen proof of them limiting health care. As far as gay marriage goes,
            i don’t like it, but what others do, have no affect on me. If you like abortion, i guess you like killing children. In that case, you are an as. to bad your mom didn’t take that course!

          • RobertCHastings

            If you haven’t seen proof, then you haven’t been watching. Over the past year more than one Tea Partier has made it very clear what their stance is on women’s issues and the right of a woman to choose her own course. These are issues that have been discussed on this forum. Do you just type something without reading the articles, or do you just respond to what others have posted? What’s the point?

          • http://goone-toone.blogspot.com Bob Loosemore

            It’s TOO bad – bet you can’t learn that, gvette.

          • SV

            YOU LIAR, AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAME OF YOURSELF FOR WANTING SOMETHING GIVEN TO YOU AND OTHERS WHICH WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF OUR COUNTRY, WE THE MIDDLE CLASS IS UPHOLDING OUR COUNTRY AND IT IS TIME THAT YOU TAKE THE PLUNGE ALONG WITH THOSE OF US WHO SUFFER TO SUPPORT YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU.

          • http://goone-toone.blogspot.com Bob Loosemore

            SV If you like all caps you should learn the language first (but it won’t make you intelligent)

          • Bill Boltz

            SV…you’re as crazy as a shithouse rat aren’t you? For the love of God go get some therapy…

          • bhaggen

            Dictating a woman’s health choices? Is the crazy Tea Party trying to eliminate mammograms, pap smears, & boob jobs now too? I heard they were trying to outlaw nail salons. Maybe mascara & eye liner are next.

          • RobertCHastings

            The Tea Party has no idea why they are in existence. They are an offshoot from the 1980’s and the powerful interests who were fighting the regulating of tobacco, and, subsequently, guns. The Boston Tea Party was against taxation without representation, something people like Michelle Bachman and Louis Gohmert don’t even understand.

          • SV

            I am glad the GOP HAD THE BALLS TO STAND UP FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS A LESSON TAUGHT TO THE DEMONCRAPS WHO ARE EVIL DOERS FOR SOME OF US WHO HAVE WORKED ALL OUR LIVES AND LIVING ON OUR RETIREMENT CHECKS. OBAMA YOU HAVE YOURS COMING FROM UP ABOVE, THE MAKER, THE CREATOR OF OUR WORLD.

          • RobertCHastings

            And oh great and shining fountain of eternal light and wisdom, what IS right for this country? Shine your beacon of intellect upon your humble servants and tell us what we should be doing about marriage equality, wage equality, racism, voting rights, women’s rights, the budget and debt, our infrastructure, education, gun control, drug control, and all the myriad of issues the Republicans in the House have no desire to do anything about.

          • http://goone-toone.blogspot.com Bob Loosemore

            Don’t be mean Robert! You KNOW none of those topics are in the bible. Well, except for women’s right to be property.

          • RobertCHastings

            Come on, Bob. Women’s rights IS dealt with in the New Testament, or at least in some of the books that didn’t make it, such as the Gospel of Mary. Jesus dealt with women as equals, to the chagrin of some of His disciples AND the early church (modern church, too, for that matter). Jesus on more than one occasion mentions equality and wealth distribution.

          • http://goone-toone.blogspot.com Bob Loosemore

            I’m with you on the points about Jesus, but some believers have to believe both testaments equally! I am a devoted atheist, but i know that poor people deserve a health service, and where resources ARE limited, money should not be able to buy luxury treatment when poor cancer sufferers (for instance) have to go without.

            America’s science, technology and research programs are amazing – are bringing benefits (and bombs) to the world, but health is special, and would surely be the last priority to have resources limited. Do you agree?

          • RobertCHastings

            One need not believe in a higher power to understand the practicality of adhering to a basic code of conduct that benefits ALL people. When a segment of society suffers, ALL of society suffers, causing a ripple effect that influences ALL aspects and all levels of society.

          • eDaina Borrmann Chesser

            Oh, so you mean living on social security and using medicare somehow are different than the ACA? Different names for the same money paying out. Don’t give me that crap about how you paid into ss your whole life and are getting what you put in, Most beneficiaries get back what they put in( with interes)t well before they die.

          • http://goone-toone.blogspot.com Bob Loosemore

            THE MAKER? now we know where your ‘reasoning’ comes from.

          • midway54

            After you recover from still another seizure, you might discuss the state of the citizenry prior to 1937 in terms of retirement security for a decent existence and to what extent medicare and medicaid have contributed to the well-being of current retirees…and don’t forget that all these elements were proudly fought tooth and nail by the same kind of rightwing scoundrels you so much admire. It was the success of those “demorats” which has been so vitally important to generations of seniors. Based on the content of your other rants, it is clear that you are not independently wealthy nor are you a self-made success; rather you are another dupe who has swallowed the plutocrats’ mantra that “we don’t need no stinkin’ socialism” which includes the implication that all citizens must fend for themselves irrespective of fault or of tragic circumstances that have befallen them. The great majority of citizens could not exist on their own…which, again, includes you.

          • http://goone-toone.blogspot.com Bob Loosemore

            Sorry midway, can only give you one ‘up’. The word ‘socialism’ suffers from unclear definition, but surely it means something to do with ‘society’ rather than the individual. If it is natural for an individual to be greedy and selfish – qualities that have brought enormous benefits to society – it is also essential that these qualities are controlled. (not that you doubt this, i think)

          • midway54

            “… it is also essential that these qualities are controlled. (not that you doubt this, i think).”

            You are correct, sir.

          • nirodha

            So what you are essentially saying is “Keep your government hands off my Social Security”, correct? After all, that is the TPotty mantra, as contradictory as it is. But logic (or a lack thereof) never interferes with your thinking, does it?

          • Sand_Cat

            Don’t argue with this idiot! Why give her the satisfaction of frustrating someone sane, rational, and intelligent with persistent aggressive stupidity?

        • Mark Forsyth

          Hey troll,go crawl back under your bridge.We all know where you get your talking points from.

          • gvette

            LOL..that’s the best you can do. Go wrap your lips around Barrys dick, where they usually are, and leave people alone.

          • Mark Forsyth

            You’re not even a human being.You and the things you say have no more significance than a pimple on a fleas ass.You are not worthy of my worst thoughts.

          • gvette

            Funny, those are words that fit Barry. Sorry you had to get off your knees, to write back.

          • eDaina Borrmann Chesser

            Really, what is wrong with you- I do note lots of homophobic comments from you- Oh, Yeah- now I get it.

          • eDaina Borrmann Chesser

            you are not funny, just uncouth

          • gvette

            Uncouth is Barry Obama. As for what you think…

          • nirodha

            Typical extreme right wing brain-damaged response-no thought, no logic, just filth.

          • gvette

            LOL…better then being left wing fool. Anyway, I just come here to read the lies you people tell each other. There are several I have conversations with, that are very nice.

        • charleo1

          So, you’re child with cancer is still receiving treatments?
          Good to hear. But, by what source do you get your information,
          that says mine’s trials will not be affected? See, this is your
          entirely predictable position. It’s what defines you. Says who
          you are. There’s no censor on this board, so I could call you
          a steaming pile of putrid troll vomit, or any kind of runny lumpy
          fecal matter, you and your ilk resemble. But you strike me
          as one of those fetish chasers, that like to wear diapers, soil
          them, and be spanked hard for being a naughty, naughty boy!
          In other words, you’d like it. So, I’ll move on.

          • gvette

            You’d better save the hate, for Barry. When you find out what Barry care will cost you, you just might smarten up. Why do you think your fearless leader is giving all his friends, and
            contributors exemptions? They know what’s in the bill. I’ve been reading posts of people that are getting the quotes. Instead of harpooning me, do yourself a favor, and check it out. Then also, look at what it’s cost are down the road. you bought into a bill of good, that are harmful.

          • charleo1

            Oh, dry up! You big twit.

          • SV

            YOU ARE A SICKO SPEAKING YOUR THOUGHTS LIKE THAT YOU NEED MENTAL HELP. GOD FORBID.

          • charleo1

            It’s a good thing ObamaCare will be covering it before too long.
            And that asshole always deserves worse than he gets.
            You want some? I’m crazy!! I’ve got plenty!!

          • RobertCHastings

            And gvette doesn’t? My, looks like some selective reading there.

        • RobertCHastings

          The government, which includes both House of Congress, the Supreme Court, and the president, all passed the ACA. Itis settled law, albeit imperfect, like any other new piece of legislation. IF it become evident that the American public does NOT approve of it after its implementation, then negotiate from a position of power. I am sure if, as you folks seem to believe, that if Obamacare is unpopular and will fail, next November will provide the proof.. Until then, by telling people that it is a failure is not going to accomplish anything positive for the Republican Party.

          • gvette

            Well, by next November, it’ll be to late. As you only watch, and listen to Obama TV, you’re not getting the list, of all the business, and hospitals cutting back, and more people only getting part time work. Robert, you can believe what you like, that’s ok. As I like to listen to people that have read the bill, and know what’s in it. There are so many hidden taxes in it, it isn’t funny. don’t forget, the IRS has control of it. If you like that, then I guess you are for big, controlling government.

          • RobertCHastings

            In 2009, the Republicans cried “death squads”, something that has never materialized, and never will. So you really believe that if you don’t get Obamacare killed now, the Republicans who will take over in early 2015 won’t be able to do so? Why not? If, as you say, the ACA is bad for the country and so many people are against its implementation, then surely the Republican will have the opportunity to eliminate it. After all, they were able to eliminate something else that was established law long after it was enacted, part of the Voting Rights Act.

          • gvette

            Kathleen Sebelius decided an 11 year old girl shouldn’t get a transplant. A federal judge ordered her to allow it. I know you don’t want to believe it, but it’s very real. I do hope you stay healthy, Robert. All the things that are talked about, that you don’t get from lamb stream media, are true.
            Oh Sebelius. is the one that decides. Funny, as I’m typing this to you, they are playing the sound clip of that worthless bitch, stating some live, some die.

          • Caryn Vesperman

            There was the question because children getting an adult organ of that kind aren’t nearly as successful. But that doesn’t fit with your Faux Noose propaganda, does it?

          • gvette

            As usual, you missed it. A judge overrode her. The child is alive. Is that the part you don’t like? In simple terms, so even your small brain can understand, with out that worthless bitch, there wouldn’t have been a problem. Or..in other words, we don’t want morons like you, and Barry care, in our lives. Did any of this sink in? I know how demonrats enjoy killing children.

          • Caryn Vesperman

            Wow. You’ve convinced me! Your name-calling and insults have totally won me to your viewpoint. Sad.

          • gvette

            Who cares? One of the things i’ve learned about liberal demonrats is, you’d bite your nose off, to spite your face.
            the nice thing is, there are a lot of conservative democrats left.
            So, you run right down and get your Bama care, then you can have free abortions!

          • eDaina Borrmann Chesser

            what’s with all the name calling?

          • gvette

            Sometimes I enjoy it.

          • gvette

            Oh, top back up the nose thing. barry, spent more money, closing the WW2 national monument , they they did protecting

            the people at Benghazi. A fact that just came out. you people make me sick.

          • eDaina Borrmann Chesser

            Insurance companies make decisions every day on who gets care or not. Stop fear mongering.

          • gvette

            Maybe you need an insurance company to tell you what to do.
            as for me, my doctor, and I make my choices. see what I mean? Demo-crats can’t do anything for themselves. Does somebody dress you in the morning, or can you at least do that.

          • Paul Bass

            Wrong Gvette,
            Until ACA, your insurance company can deny payment (especially for pre-existing conditions.). So your doctor and you are subject to their provisions. So if they decide your type of cancer isn’t covered (maybe because the treatment they list as “experimental”), too bad. They have RNs on “utilization” committees, who are the “death panels”!

          • gvette

            LOL…you ain’t seen nothing yet. As usual, you don’t have all the facts. Ever heard of Kathleen Sebelius? She’s the gal that tryed to stop the lung transplant for an 11 year old girl. A judge had to over ride
            It’s just the beginning.

          • Paul Bass

            Yes, and she did NOT set the rules for transplants, which were in place long before she took office. The rules for transplants were set up by a committee of medical specialists, NOT a bureaucrat!

          • gvette

            When one person, that has nothing to do with you, makes the decision on weather you live or die, isn’t quit right. I hope you never are in that position.

          • Paul Bass

            Gvette,
            Unfortunately, I have to put up with this multiple times a year, I have an autistic son, so I know of being denied coverage. (even though I have a supposed “Cadillac” health plan).

          • gvette

            Hi Paul. I’m sorry you have problems. You, or your son don’t need them. I just hope, you don’t run into the problems others I’ve read about are have with Barry care.
            I do wish you, and your son luck.

          • RobertCHastings

            My future is secure, because BOTH Social Security and Medicare are guaranteed. The case you speak of was not the fault of Sebelius, but of a system that had set an artificial age limit for the transplant. Once this hurdle was surmounted, the girl, and one or two others in the same position, became eligible and eventually received their transplants. I find it interesting that you concentrate on THIS one issue about the life/death struggle of one child, but could not care less about the plight of the 20 third graders at Sandy Hook Elementary. Yeah, some live,some die.

          • gvette

            Hi Robert. I understand what you say. Prior to all this, it wouldn’t have been a problem. that gal, is the death panel.
            Right now SS, and medicare are secure. Remember, Barry care gutted a lot of money from medicare. I hope for our sakes, you’re right, Robert.
            As for Sandy Hook. I don’t ever want children to die. Or anybody else for that matter. I don’t like gun free zones. That goes for our military bases also. A funny side note. They just introduced a bill, to let solders carry on base. It takes a bill for Gods sake.

          • RobertCHastings

            Obama “took” the money from Medicare to make it more efficient. As a result of his improvements to Medicare, millions have been getting checks from their insurance companies, doctors are collectively contributing to diagnosis and treatment of patients admitted to hospitals,and the rate of expansion of medical costs has slowed to its lowest ever in this country. If you are going to criticize the program, it might behoove you to do your own checking rather than relying on Beck and Limbaugh for sound bites.

          • gvette

            Hi Robert. Why is it the left hates hearing Barry’s words, or others? that’s like saying, If i don;’t hear it, it wasn’t said.

            Cheryl
            Arnold Orwig
            PASS
            IT ON!! A post from the Obamacare Website:

            “I
            actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting
            condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier
            2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums
            came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way
            that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no
            insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine
            would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you
            make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First,
            your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive
            months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a
            federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank
            information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties”
            weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even
            “Affordable

            Ok. This is from a real person. This is just one. There are thousands of them. She gave us permission to share it.
            Oh, and thank you Robert. I do enjoy talking with you,
            Scott

          • RobertCHastings

            I will check out your hypothesis. My daughter at 45 pays about 350/mo due to pre-existing. Hope she can find a better rate. She is married, but their combined salaries are not that high, and he is already insured through his employer, as are a large portion of the working and insured in this country. Your subject could have chosen the bronze level, although that would have meant higher deductibles and fewer bells and whistles.

          • gvette

            I hope she does. Please share with me her encounter.
            I picked that one to share, because the girl that posted it
            wanted it shared. There are others.
            I wish her luck!!

        • midway54

          Pray tell us all your source for “real news” and how you judged it to be real.

          • gvette

            All the places you don’t like, or trust. You only trust lamb stream,
            or better put, Obama news. Oh hey, while I have your attention. Barry, your pal, is pissing your money away, to block a memorial,
            to keep WW2 vets out. Good going! you should be proud. Oh wait, you’re a demonrat. you are proud.

          • midway54

            As expected a non-reply. Simply asking the question, made me a “demorat.” Your mediocre contributions are just staggering.

          • gvette

            Non-reply? first, to give you a list of news sources is a waste of my time. to you, the only news is from lamb stream.
            second, there’s so much going on you don’t know about, it isn’t funny. As far as you being a democrat, or me being conservative, shouldn’t make a difference, but in this time, it does. You people are so enamored with that communist in the white house, you don’t want truth.
            I was listening to some sound clips of Barry, when he was running against Clinton. He said, Clintons health care is having you by law, have to have it. Well, look where we are now. By law, you have to have it. He lies. that’s all he does. You folks hang on every word. Lamb stream doesn’t give you what i listen to. so, you just keep believing in him. That’s your choice. We are fighting to save our country.

          • nirodha

            Just curious,,,you mention “that communist in the white house”; who would that be? Please enlighten me. Thank you.

          • gvette

            There you go. See, because the only things you read, are by the lamb stream news. His up bring was communist. his father, and everyone else in his life. You need to do mare reading.
            oh, I left one thing out. As you don’t seem to know who I’m talking about…it’s Barry. Now go enjoy your life in never never land.

      • SV

        why should the American people have to pay for ACA? WHY SHOULD WE FUND IT THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT? THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT MESS WITH OUR HEALTH CARE, PERIOD. JESUS TOLD PETER IF YOU DON’T GET UP FROM THAT BED, YOU DON’T WORK, YOU DON’T EAT. PEOPLE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE, NOT TO BE A FREEBIE. THIS COUNTRY HAS PROSPERED FROM HARD WORK NOT FROM BEING LAZY AND STAYING IN BED TO BE A TAKER NEVER GIVING BACK. THE GOP IS RIGHT ON THIS ONE !

        • gvette

          Nicely put. Trouble is, these people here, just love Barry, and Barry care. They see not what they are buying into.

        • RobertCHastings

          Really, honestly, tell us why you,personally don’t approve of the Affordable Care Act. Pretty much all it is is an enhancement of the already existing Medicare and Medicaid, two programs that have been around for a while and, like the ACA, have been tweaked and improved. Since you are so against Medicare, I must assume that you have no plans to retire, since this would provide you with the best and cheapest health care available in this country, which I must further assume you have no interest in receiving, if you aren’t doing so already.

  • option31

    Well the gold watch theory is certainly playing out on this. See your gold watch – if you don’t do what I say I’ll smash it. Well you did not do what I said so hammer down. This is ridiculous, their are ways around this IF both sides were not playing the people, but they’d rather have the issue than negotiate or BE ADULTS!

    • ObozoMustGo

      Obozo and Dirty Harry REFUSE to negotiate. The Repubs have sent them 9, maybe 10 bills by now. Dirty Harry has not allowed one to reach the floor and has said he will not negotiate. There are NO adults on the DemonRAT side whatsoever.

      • Mark Forsyth

        Liar Liar Liar.You must be running out of pants by now.Fuck the GOPT!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! You assholes don’t fool anyone.

        • SV

          I JUST HOPE OBAMA HAS SENSE ENOUGH TO BRING OUR COUNTRY TOGETHER AND NOT ACT LIKE WE ALL HAVE TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER WITH OUR HARD WORKING MONEY THAT WE EVEN DRAGGED TO WORK SICKLY WITH DIABETES SO I CAN GIVE UP 25% OF MY EARNING TO BUY INSURANCE FOR THOSE WHO SPEND THEIR MONEY UNWISELY AND WASTE WHOM DO NOT DESERVE EVERYTHING GIVEN TO THEM.
          IF THEY WANT OBAMACARE THEY ARE MILLIONAIRES THEY CAN PAY FOR IT OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS, THEY MAKE MORE THAN WE EVER MADE WORKING HARD. IT IS UNFAIR TO THOSE OF US WHO SAVED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OLD AGE. MAY GOD TAKE CARE OF US THAT WORKED ALL OUR LIVES.

          • DL

            You do realize that people who get insurance through the exchanges are still going to have to pay for it? It’s still a capitalist market because the exchanges are run by private companies. It is not a single-payer system funded by the government.

            Are there subsidies for the exchanges? Yes. But personally, I’d rather my tax dollars go towards helping someone get affordable healthcare coverage rather than go towards subsidizing corporations that are making record profits during an anemic economic recovery. Funny how few conservatives complain about that. They would rather attack the working poor, most of whom don’t take what you term “government handouts” (15% of Americans are considered below the poverty line, but only 4% are getting any government assistance).

      • charleo1

        Nine, or ten bills. When Boehner has been ask 18 times, (it’s on the
        record,) since April. To choose, and send, House Conferrees to negotiate a proper budget the Senate passed. Or, pass a budget
        in the House, and sent that with his Conferees, to begin the process to have a budget passed by Congress to send to the President to sign. All that is provable, in the record. A fact. The truth. The way things have come about. Instead the House has intentionally set up yet another crisis in an attempt to blackmail, extort, and force an agenda through Congress, for the President to sign, for which they do not have the votes. They are out of order. They have no case!
        And, finally quit whining about the President not running over to,
        or holding endless budget meetings with Republicans sent over
        to negotiate, but lack the power to deliver what they agree to. Republicans first need to figure out who’s in charge over there.
        Wouldn’t you think? The problem is, this President has spoiled the Republican Party rotten. With his endless hand holding, and cajoling a bunch of nitwits that have had no intention of agreeing to anything, he would offer in the first place. And never will. So, it’s a good thing
        it’s not his job to pass a budget. That is clearly the job of Congress.
        So, he can sit up there in the White House, till Hell freezes over.
        He has no obligation to the damn T-Party! They got what they wanted. And now they can stew in it.

        • RobertCHastings

          Thanks, charleo1. Very nicely said.

        • ObozoMustGo

          chuckie… it appears as though you have no idea what your Constitution says. The House has the responsibility of the purse and is the place where all spending is supposed to originate, not the Senate. The House has passed many budgets that Dirty Harry has never even let go to committee for negotiations. Obozo does not want a budget. He wants CR’s so that he can continue on his hell bent destruction of America through spending and debt. Side benefit is that he can lay blame for spending at someone else’s feet (namely Bush) and say that he never got a budget. Even when he had supermajority control of both sides of Congress. In fact, the budget he proposed did not get a single vote, NOT ONE, in the Senate even from his own party when they control it.

          Obozo is the master behind this shutdown and you know it. He is using this to try to discredit the Tea Party in advance of next year’s election. That’s all this is about. It’s that simple. This is his shutdown.
          You leftist freaks conveniently forget that the House was taken over in historic landslide fashion immediately following the illegal passage of Obozocare. The reason they are there is, in large measure, to stop Obozocare. And they are performing their constitutional duties and listening to the wishes of the people, 70% of whom want Obozocare repealed. So there! You can whine all you want, but this is a winning issue for Republicans.

          Have a nice day!

          Sen. Barack Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006 — “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. …
          Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
          Americans deserve better.”

          • charleo1

            I’m aware all stories have three sides. Mine, theirs, and the
            truth. But, when you claim Obama is hell bent on destruction
            of the Country thru spending. Or, that the House has passed
            many budgets. No one, not even the hard core Right is saying
            that. You have no credibility here. To even suggest the shut-
            down is a plot by Obama to discredit the T-Party. After three
            years of listening to the T-Party’s anti-government rants?
            Dozens of pieces of correspondence dating back to 2010,
            between T-Party candidates, urging the use of a shutdown.
            Including a letter signed by 80 Republicans in the House
            earlier this year, to get them on record as willing to support
            a shutdown in order to defund the healthcare law. So you
            really have to ignore a lot of hard evidence to come to the
            conclusions you make. I’ll say this, your education on these
            matters is your responsibility. You can look for the facts, or
            make up ones that support your opinions as you have been.

      • RobertCHastings

        And who are the adults on the Republican side? John Boehner? Paul Ryan – he has been unusually quiet through all this? Rand Paul – he is beginning to sound more and more like Mitt Romney. Ted Cruz – he not only LOOKS like Joe McCarthy, he SOUNDS like him. McCain is like Putin – nobody trusts him, except Lindsey Graham, whom nobody else trusts. And then there are the Tea Partiers, 1/3 of the House Republicans, who are holding the other 2/3 hostage, along with the rest of the country, so they can say they honored the Norquist Pledge.

      • Bill Boltz

        bozo…you are unarmed here…go home.

    • Sand_Cat

      It’s called extortion, and you may think the victim is as guilty as the perpetrator, but you obviously don’t think too well.

      • option31

        Sand you can continue to read your script and refuse to think but the fact is the Administration has gone out of its way to make this hurt as much as possible the everyday person. Taking shared parking from Mt Vernon – a private organization maintaining George Washington’s house, closing of trails – bike paths – that their were few if any service personnel maintaining when the government is open, closing of a play ground, closing of WW2 Memorial and Lincoln Memorial which are open air memorials is NOT what a leader does. A true leader makes the best of a bad situation, he does not make it worse.

        You can claim all you want that I don’t think but I have consistantly criticize all politicians as they are all screwing us. I do not willy nilly read the script for the RNC or the DNC. Unlike others here.

  • howa4x

    I really don’t think that 100-200 kids being denied treatment has any effect on angry older white me that make up the core of the republican party. They already kicked 4 million kids off of food stamps so what does another 100 mean to them. The republicans are funded by people who want America to become a work for less culture with no benefits. They think everyone receiving government benefits are takers but Agra- Business which receives government subsidies are makers and should be respected. Soon this country will be divided into the 1% and everybody else so if you’re not making over 1 million you are a taker. Get used to it middle class you are the targets of this new paradigm, of rewarding the rich with tax cuts and putting the burden of helping everyone else on you. Welcome to the republican party!!

    • Bill Boltz

      Corporate welfare is the norm for the Republicans. Shit….even if they get voted out of office there is always a lobbyist that will scoop them up like dog-shit.

      • howa4x

        Agreed. they lavish on the rich and Fu..k everyone else

        • Bill Boltz

          Right…and it’s time to Fu_k them back!

          • gvette

            LMAO..that’s right. you keep paying for Barrys good times.

    • bhaggen

      What this article “conveniently” fails to mention is the Republican House did pass a bill to fund this but the Democratic Senate turned it down. Harry Ried’s response when questioned? “The Republicans are in no position to pick & choose what program is funded” I guess to Harry this is no more important than a monument tour closure! You gotta fact check all these fuckers, left or right.

      • Sabreen60

        This is a gimmick. The CR is for only SIX weeks. The Republicans having failed to repeal and defund ACA, 40+ times and now see that they are catching hell in the polls have come up with a piecemeal approach to governance. We’ll fund this one, and that one, and this one – because it helps our image. Harry Reid is correct. You don’t govern a nation this way – not even banana republics fund their governments this way. Fund the entire government and stop with the games. It’s not just government workers and poor people affected. I know Republicans don’t care about them. It’s also vendors, construction workers, retailers, etc. You don’t put a gun at the head of the President and the opposition party and say give me what I want or I’ll shoot the hostage.

        • bhaggen

          You don’t govern a nation this way? I don’t know about banana republics but Switzerland very MUCH governs this way, except the PEOPLE vote in national referendums what THEY want funded. The people voted to fund the new tunnel but voted down joining the EU. For the people, by the people. Of course they also have a huge surplus & the most valuable currency in the world; secured borders; #3 in exports behind China & Germany. Let’s see……US #12! LMFAO!…..Pitiful Americans.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Don’t forget that in Switzerland, ALL adults own guns, as well… by law. Crime rate there????? Infinitesimally small.

          • Paul Bass

            They all join the military for their mandatory 2 year service, and keep their rifles to be part of their civil defense.
            Rifles, NOT assault weapons!
            So why do Americans need assault rifles again???

          • bikejedi

            What makes a gun an assault weapon ??…that its black ??? this shows the ignorance of the left

          • ObozoMustGo

            No kidding, Jedi!

          • bhaggen

            You do realize that muzzle loaders were NOT rifled. Breech loading rifles did not appear until the 1800s along with bullets that replaced ball ammo. Rifling put a twist on the bullet just like a properly thrown American football.

          • bikejedi

            true

          • bhaggen

            No, it’s scary looking and goes BANG! Girlie-man Bass obviously has no clue what rifling is, let alone what it does. Therefore how can one expect him/her to know what an assault rifle is.
            “In 50 years we’ll all be chicks”…..Adam Carolla

          • bikejedi

            I don’t want to be a chick . I want to bang chicks

          • bhaggen

            Sorry Charlie, under Obama-care banging chicks is politically incorrect!

          • bikejedi

            Hahahaha true …..By the way I am an American but have that same heritage of that flag in your pic

          • ObozoMustGo

            Paul… don’t be such an ignorant moron. You obviously don’t own any guns, and definitely as a leftist freak you should not. There is no such thing as an “assault rifle” just like there’s no such thing as an “assault baseball bat”. They’re just a rifles like any other rifle. Diane Feinstein invented the term way back in 94 or so when she wrote a law banning such weapons and the methodology they used to figure out which ones to ban was by looking at pictures in catalogs. She picked the ones that look “scary” to her. So we had a stupid law written by a moron based on pictures. How eff’d up is that?

            BTW… the 2nd Amendment doesn’t say anything about “need”.

            Have a nice day!

            “The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts – or even the lives of other people.” – Thomas Sowell, Guns Save Lives 4/3/13

          • howa4x

            I seem to remember the tern Assault rifle being used to describe the AK-47 back in the Viet Nam era

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hi Howie! How are you? I hope well. It is my understanding that the term was put into the lexicon by Diane Whinerstein in the 1994 debate over guns where she needed to invent a name that put fear into people and made her look reasonable. In reality, it was plain old stupidity on her part. But, like many things in leftist freak land, the intent is more important than the reality.

            Have a nice day, Howie!

            “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” – Milton Friedman in an interview with Richard Heffner

          • bhaggen

            You pull that out of your ass? Smells good to you doesn’t it? An assault weapon IS a rifle you ignorant, pitiful American! The current Swiss Army rifle is a SIG 550, an assault weapon, or Sturm Gewehr in Swiss German, because it fires until you release the trigger. Something you Americans haven’t been entrusted with since 1934. These M-16 wanabes Feinstein calls assault weapons are in FACT semi-automatic-rifles that look like assault weapons to the ignorant girly-men like yourself that she wants to scare. In truth Dianne is not as dumb as she looks and knows they aren’t assault weapons because she HAS one as well as a Glock & a CCP. The Jews love German stuff! A 16″ AR-15 is an excellent home defense and target firearm and women love ‘em because they’re easy to use & it empowers them. She will ride you like a pony when you get home. And why do Americans need 50″ flat screens again?

          • ObozoMustGo

            haggen…. that dude Paul is SHOCKINGLY stupid. He’s actually telling you, as Swiss gentleman, what Switzerland is like…. I’m telling you now, the depth of stupidity among the leftist freak morons knows no bounds.

            BTW… when you say “stupid Americans”, might I suggest you alter that slightly to “stupid liberal Americans?” It’s more accurate.

            Have a great day, my friend!

            “The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.” – Albert Einstein

          • ObozoMustGo

            What kind of idiot are you? You’re arguing with a Swiss gentleman about Switzerland, you stupid moron!!!

          • bhaggen

            I know all too well, I’m Swiss. All men are issued a rifle which they keep at home for life. My cousins keep their SIGs in the hall closet next to the kitchen. Back in the late 60s I worked for SIG at the Rhine falls, Schaffhausen.

          • http://goone-toone.blogspot.com Bob Loosemore

            More distorted reasoning from OMG. Switzerland is small, communities are small, the populace is educated and mostly balanced. There are NO huge cities. But above all they are not Americans.

            America produces the most amazing talent seen in the world, and people of the greatest energy, sanity, and imagination imaginable.

            And loud people with unbalanced minds, OMG!

        • bikejedi

          You call it a gimmick and that is stupid . The Dems not agreeing to it might end up in dead kids but you don’t care as long as you can repeat talking points that are lies . Look when the other side gives on something like this you just take it out of what good for the Country . You don’t hold it up unless you are a petulant child like Obama and Reid

      • howa4x

        True it is, and it is also true that they funded one part of the government to avoid being look at like what I described. What Reid actually said was stop piece mealing the funding and pass a bill to open the government. Don’t you want your food inspected? There are 800,000 people on furloughs. All the civilian workers at the DOD and elsewhere that is of national importance. Or would you rather see it closed so people are denied health insurance?

        • ObozoMustGo

          Why do we have 800,000 NON-ESSENTIAL employees? By definition, they are not needed. They can all stay home.

          • howa4x

            Great. Then no one will fix the interstates, or inspect the food supply, or monitor adverse reactions to drugs, or monitor flu outbreaks or run the national park system or the VA benefit program or any of the other jobs they do. Then you can point to government and say see they don’t get anything done.
            Have a wonderful day my friend

          • infadelicious

            Make that 800,001. Send the petulant president obozo home too.

          • ObozoMustGo

            I’d take all 800,000 back gladly if we could just dump that one bum occupying the WH!!!!

    • bikejedi

      Hahahaha The GOP sent a bill funding it and Reid and Obama are holding it hostage out of spite for Americans

      • howa4x

        Hahahaha It was only a partial funding bill and not a clean CR. they only wanted to relieve some pressure on them by opening the national parks, fund some NIH stuff and a few other things. that is not opening the goverenment

        • bikejedi

          I didn’t say it was but it was a concession from the GOP that benefits all Americans and the NIH might help save a sick kids life ……yet Obama and Reid have held that hostage with their OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY petulance and spite .

          • howa4x

            Who has started the hostage taking? The tealiban could have negotiated the ACA but instead set up this situation where 800,000 people were furloughed and the govt was shut down. So are you trying to tell me that a piece meal approach to re funding the govt works. What about all the other services? I have a good idea. How about instead of repealing the ACA nationwide we only repeal it in the Red states? This way the Blue states can continue to work out all the problems with it, insure most of their constituents, and let all the red states have no insurance coverage and no Medicaid expansion. I would be ok with that . How about you?

          • BillP

            When you start asking bikejedi to backup his comments with provable facts he starts to change what he previously said. He does it whenever challenged.

          • howa4x

            I know

          • bikejedi

            And whats you excuse spin and deflect …

          • howa4x

            Read my latest post to you

          • bikejedi

            Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.

            There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going — except for ObamaCare.

            This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

            As for the House of Representatives’ right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.

            Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.

            ObamaCare is indeed “the law of the land,” as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.

            But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.

            The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies — unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.

            Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who — if anybody — “wants to shut down the government.” But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.

            The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a “clean” bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word “clean” like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?

            If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.

            You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.

            When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of “legislation by appropriation” as it used to be called.

            Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.

            Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.

            Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.

            None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out — and articulation has never been their strong suit — the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.

          • BillP

            The Democrats have stated they would vote for,a CR to fund the govt at the Republican numbers but not without including the ACA. Boehner will not bring this to vote in e House. Starting negotiations with someone while taking a bargaining chip off of the table is not negotiating. It is stating that this is starting point for the Democrats to give up more. It’s not going to happen.

          • bikejedi

            And Reid wont bring the House bills for a vote in the Senate . He did that first and preemptively . He and Obama have made the calculated decision that this will hurt the GOP knowing full well they control the Media . The longer it drags on the more the Public will see that 1 this would be over if ALL of the waivers that have been given to Politicians to Liberals who own businesses and the one year exemption Obama gave Corporations ( to save the Dems up for reelection in the mid terms )were rescinded or barring that if the Dems and Obama were willing to give Individuals who work the same waivers . I would rather see all waivers for liberals be rescinded and let America have a chance to see what a Train Wreck Obamacare is …then they would vote in people in the midterms dedicated to rewriting the whole thing into something that is workable . In the meantime the Republicans have agreed to fund everything else so it is Reid and Obama holding a gun to Americas head and the longer this goes on the more people that will understand this

          • BillP

            The Senate has voted on a clean CR and sent it back to the House. Boehner has not brought it to he floor for a vote, he is afraid that there are Republicans who would vote for this CR with funding for the ACA. Little boy you have no idea how the ACA is going to work, though there are millions of people trying to look at what it does for them and a large number will sign for it. Saying it is a train wreck is just parroting what you have read or heard for the right wing media outlets.

          • bikejedi

            And the GOP has sent them many bills that the Dems wont consider as well ..these are bills that may save a kids life but your party of compassion is holding that up out of spite ..they are hurting Americans out of spite because like little kids they didn’t get their way …Did you catch Reid’s response to the CNN gal ? Get my point little BOI ? And every single prediction I have made in relation to the Train Wreck has already occurred and or is in the process of occurring . Why do you think Obama gave his Corporate Donors the one year waiver …let me give you the answer because you don’t know or are in denial …He knew if he didn’t the Dems would lose the mid terms because the bill is such a Train Wreck …By the way where are all of your Dem Liberals Communist Occupiers and why aren’t they speaking up about that injustice ? Oh that’s right they are Liberals so that Hypocrites too …that is why they are quiet on this and you as well . If you weren’t a Hypocrite you would be demanding Obama end waivers for ANY DEM or Liberal ….but you wont because you know it is a Tran Wreck and understand why they all want waivers …right ? Gee you say I don’t understand the Bill yet every prediction I have made on this for two years running is coming true or already has .

          • BillP

            Stop with the horseshit that the Republicans card about these kids life, if they really had they would have passed the CR and then negotiated. Only after a huge public outcry did they talk about the NIH, Headstart or caring about the children. Can Polly say “train wreck” good Polly gets a cracker.

            You have some really great delusions of grandeur about your inane predictions. What wonderful insight did you have.? You really need to get into the world of reality not your own little boy ( how hip of you to,use bio). Your waiver claim has been debunked by the media matters website. The waivers issued have been about the annual limits of health care coverage and are for 1 year. Companies like McDonalds, Jack in the Box and Ruby Tuesday were granted 1 year exemptions on the annual limit not the rest of ACA. These companies are hardly Obama backers – Ruby Tuesday gave money to,Romney but not Obama, McDonald gave more to Romney, Jack in the Box did the same.

            I guess according to you little boy researching and presenting provable facts males one a hypocrite. You need to be a little less full of yourself but I know that’s hard for little boys

          • bikejedi

            You are childlike in your idea of a negotiation …look Obama may negotiate with Assad and Putin by giving them everything they want but most negotiations don’t start with one side giving the other side everything they want and hoping the other side will negotiate with them ..hahahahahahaha. And it was the GOP who made those things the issue …Reid on the other hand ..well he was asked by the PR babe from CNN how he felt about the NIH and exploded like a child …he got cornered and then flaked out .
            I don’t have delusions of grandeur I have 2 years of posts right here where I have been accurately predicting what would happen with this Train Wreck . and once again I am no ones little boy but you seem to be a boi who doesn’t even understand the signifigance of that spelling ..You call yourself a Liberal ?
            Media Matters is a LIBERAL JOKE …right up there with MCNBC .do a google search for yourself K
            Obamas waiver covers any company over 50 employees for a year ..just long enough for the mid terms
            OK Boi Toi

          • BillP

            Do you read your own posts. You state that most negotiations don’t start with one side giving the other side everything they want but you want the Senate and President Obama to start negotiations with the ACA defunded. You seem to contradict yourself. Do you have a problem with remembering what you write.

            Gee 2 whole years of posts on a website you disagree with, that seems a bit odd but as a little boy with nothing much to do. Can’t you get on your tricycle and take your light saber to vanquish the evil empire. So please enlighten me as to the significance of spelling boy incorrectly. I don’t understand how that effects my political status?

            Here you go again calling media matters a liberal joke but don’t back it up with any data or facts. I know there are a number of companies getting a waiver. The waiver is good for one year and only effects the annual limit condition.

            Oh you hurt me sooooooo badly with your cute little boy name calling me a bio toi. I don’t know,how I will recover from such a harsh thing.

          • bikejedi

            Yes I do read my own posts and while defunding the Obamacare Train Wreck would be the best out come it is only one facet of what is up . The GOP has already agreed to everything but that so why are the Dems forcing the shut sown out of spite . Especially when they are granting waiver to 1400 different Companies and Unions ( all Dem Liberal ) and the Dem Senate voted themselves waivers of up to 80% ..I mean if they know it sucks and all want out why force it on the rest of us . Do you understand that difference …The Dems want everything and the GOP is willing to put everything on the table …So let me spell it out the Dems are saying give us everything and we will agree to that …then what is there to negotiate ?
            the other stuff …yes I have been posting here and maybe I should go Bike Riding more …The Light Saber is at hand soooo
            Agreed the waiver is for one year and that is just so the Dems don’t lose the mid terms . it is the only reason Obama did that ..that annual limit condition is hooey ..Obama’s directive means they don’t have to comply with the TAX LAW …I don’t know what you want me to supply . I mean this has been widely reported even on Liberal broadcast networks
            and Im glad you have a sense of humor so why don’t we stop calling each other names ? Have a nice Sunday

          • BillP

            You claim that the Republicans are willing to negotiate but have already taking the ACA out of the negotiations. Why would you expect he Democrats and President to agree to this? Put the ACA back in the budget and the start negotiations, that’s what the Senate is asking the House to do.

            You keep harping on the waiver issue. You admit it’s for only 1 year and is only applicable to the annual limit amount. The other waiver is the mlr waiver that requires health insurance issuers to spend at least 80% or 85% of their premium dollars on clinical services and quality improvement and the ACO waiver. These don’t do,anything that favor the companies involved.

          • bikejedi

            Yes that is how a negotiation works …So you would rather the GOP just give them everything they want …Even if America hates the ACA ? And if they did that what would they negotiate over …The Dems would have everything they wanted .
            This shut down only happened because Obama and Reid falsely gambled that the GOP would be blamed . They gambled that way because they control indoctrination in the Schools and they control the Media and use them to promote their slogans and PR .
            The longer this has dragged on the more we are getting our side out through Social Media and the Polls are now starting to trend more in our favor ..This will happen more and more because Obama is on record telling Govt ofc to make America pay ( he should be removed for TREASON ) and this is the second time he has tried to punish Americans out of spite …See the Sequestration ..So he has precedent and he is trying to make Americans pay …I have had great success making my Liberal Chicago friends see that and now they are pissed at Obama …Also Reid is unwilling to put the GOP bills to a vote even the ones that would possibly save American lives …So where is the Party of Compassion ? Of that’s right they are holding America hostage and trying to make it hurt out of spite . They are trying to do that to save funding for Obamacare while they all get waivers from it ..In essence then they are holding the Country hostage over something they know sucks so bad they all have granted themselves waivers from ..Hence they are doing it to protect Liberal Hypocrisy .
            On the waiver issue . The only reason it was granted was to save the Dems in the mid terms . What does that tell you ? it should tell you that Obama knows everyone would hate it and vote the Dems out of he hadn’t delayed it . So if they are going to do that for their greedy profit driven donors why not for working Americans . Where are all those Dem Liberal Communist Class Warfare Warriors from the Occupy Movement and why aren’t they speaking out about this injustice from a Tyrannical Ruler Obama ? Oh I forgot they are Dem Liberal Occupiers so they are HYPOCRITES …in the meantime what’s to negotiate …everyone knows this would be over if the Dems extended that same waiver to the workers .

          • BillP

            I agree let’s stick to arguing/debating over the issues. No name calling, it doesn’t add to the comment. Btw have you vanquished the evil empire?

          • bikejedi

            Dark Sith Lord Darth Reid is still around but rest assured the jedi are on to him

          • bikejedi

            Obama and Reid own this . They both openly stated they wouldn’t negotiate with the GOP ..Now they say they wont negotiate until they get everything they want . How very OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY …On Obamacare . They were locked out of having any input into that bill . It is a Train Wreck the will hurt the economy . Obama and Reid gave their Corporate donors 1 year waivers because they knew if they didn’t they would lose the mid terms . They are unwilling to give the working people the same considerations ( where are all of those Communist class warfare Occupiers …oh that’s right they are hypocrites ) …at the same time the very people who wrote this mess and forced it on us voted themselves waivers that we cant get .. The point is that the GOP is trying to fight with and for the majority of Americans who hate this law and to also display the Liberal hypocrisy …Meanwhile you people should be demanding that your rulers and all Liberals show us how great this is and all volunteer for it rather then opt out . You should be demanding that they show their Liberal Patriotism ( I know right ) and loyalty and take it out of that .. Instead just like those hypocrites you people are silent on all of that …I would have no problem with what you suggested with the Red States …They would prosper and you would all become Detroit …Every business in America would flee for the freedom of the Red States

          • howa4x

            Sorry you don’t recognize that the ACA was voted on, held to be legal by the supreme court with a conservative majority and was contested in a national election. I dispute that all the corporations will head south since most are going overseas to show us why they need a tax cut again for them. The new E economy will not locate in states that only teach creationism and are hostile to science. They need an educated workforce. States like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas all are on the lower end of the educational spectrum. Miss. stands out because they have the worst health outcomes in the country. They will not attract businesses that require complex thinking
            Bank of America was pressing Nikki Haley to not pass an anti Gay laws because they were afraid they could loose talented people. The only industries that will move south are the dirtiest ones since environmental regulation is lax there. In the future companies want a healthy workforce since ones with chronic health problems slow productivity. As for the north becoming Detroit the red states are the leaders in the work for less/no benefit economy which you call freedom. I wish all the Wal-Marts on you since every one of them cost the state 980,000 in subsidies for the minimum wage workers in food stamps and housing assistance. So good luck my red state friend

          • bikejedi

            The ACA was crafted behind closed doors with no GOP input . You had to bribe YOUR own Party members with MY Tax Dollars to vote for it . You then had to use a parliamentary procedure that was designed to be used for small budgetary issues and had never been used for this type of bill in history do you could pass it with a simple majority . The Spending and Taxing Bill by law should have originated in the House but was written by the Senate . The only reason it is the law is the high probability that either Holder or Axelrod Blackmailed Justice Roberts . Hanging his Illegally adopted child over his head . Everyone who knows how dirty Axelrod is and has seen his handiwork in Chicago fully believe it was he and these people are Dems …oh ask Blair Hull and Mr Ryan what they think of his tactics … Roberts then had to take the unprecedented step to rewrite a bill that was up for Consideration in front of the court to make it a TAX LAW . He rewrote the words Fine Fee and Penalty and that is how he rewrote the bill for the Dems and passed it … America Vomited . Since passing it every hypocrite er Liberal that can has gotten a waiver . From the over 1400 that have all gone exclusively to Liberal er Hypocrite business owners and Unions who all supported Obama and the ACA until they passed it and as Pelosi said …read it . They don’t like it so they traded on their party Political clout and got out ….But now you want the rest of the country to like it ????????????? You people should work on convincing other hypocrites er Liberals to take it out of Liberal Patriotism and Loyalty ( hahahaha right ? ) . You should all demand they take it to show us all how wonderful and ffffaaabulooouuussss it is . Instead all you Hypocrites do is try to convince the rest of the Country who hate it to like it …Is there any wonder the terns Hypocrite and Liberal mean the same thing .

          • howa4x

            Let me ask you something before I debate you again. Do you have insurance through your job or privately? That is an important point. I have it from my career( retired) and Medicare although I don’t use it much. I just want us to be honest before we talk about anyone else.
            First off. There was a gang of six that sat on the finance committee of the senate. Chuck Grassley was one of the republicans. Max Backus was the chair of he committee D S dak. The house had already passed a bill that called for a public option whereby you would by into it like I have to pay for my Medicare. Backus with heavy insurance ties wouldn’t go for that. The gang of six negotiated behind closed doors for a number of weeks. Republicans had a lot of input into that and came away with what Romney passed in Massachusetts, known as Romney care. Even though the republicans had ample input and were given every opportunity to contribute, none of them voted for the final bill. why? because they didn’t want Obama to have a win. Mitch McConnell said as much publically. The house and senate when to conference and decided to drop the public option. Both houses passed that bill with republican abstaining or voting no even though they had the opportunity for input. Romney care was originally crafted by the heritage foundation a republican think tank, and originally presented on the senate floor by Orrin Hatch and Dob Dole as a counter to Hillary care. Romney when he was governor made a video asking Obama to pass his plan. The person who wrote Romney’s plan worked on the ACA.
            In Massachusetts they convinced the insurance companies to not drop marginally health people or deny them coverage for pre existing conditions if they the government would pass a law requiring everyone to buy insurance, which Romney did. Here is the rational. the insurance companies run on the profit model and have investors. If they are only made to insure sick people they would go bankrupt. They need healthy people to buy insurance so they can still make a profit. Romney a republican understood that the insurance companies should make a profit after all he came from Wall st.
            So the ACA which you rail about is a republican plan actually made to work by a republican governor. The only difference between Romney’s plan and Obama’s is there are mechanisms in the ACA to bend the cost curve in health care. Everything else is exactly the same. The only difference that I can see and why you are so upset is because Romney is white and a republican and Obama is 1/2 black or white and a Democrat. If you are going to argue try to get your facts at least a little straight

          • bikejedi

            All off that gang stuff has nothing to do with the way this went down and you are astute enough to know that that had nothing to do with the Dems going behind closed doors to write this . The one time Obama made a Dog and Pony show of trying to get Republican input into it Obama used the occasion to try to dis McCain and use it as a PR stunt ..He then walked out and claimed that they had gotten GOP input into this and didn’t consider any of their input while claiming that he did ….all the while pointing to the meeting as proof of that …He is as disingenuous as most Liberals are . Also that McConnell comment has been the lefts only talking point . It is childish to use it as it is always the goal of the opposition to make an opposition President a one term deal …Nothing new there ..McConnell was just stupid to vocalize what has always gone on there …The rest of your post just devolves into that nonsense of …they don’t like him…. and they wanted to deny him a win because he is black and they are racist and that is a childish argument . Did you ever once consider that they could see what a Train Wreck this bill is ??? Once again when your side gets everyone on YOUR side to like it and take it and YOU use YOUR energy and voice to convince YOUR side to take it …maybe then people wouldn’t think you are all just a bunch of self serving hypocrites and then maybe we could move forward ….Why should your side of all people get exemptions and waivers ..By the way Romney has nothing to do with this and I really don’t care for him either …If he would of made Obama’s record an issue during the election we wouldn’t be having this discussion …It seems he was afraid of being called a bully and piling on after he creamed Obama in that first debate and made the tactical mistake of getting off the gas

          • howa4x

            I can’t believe you deny actual fact for republican fiction. There was a gang of 6 that was tasked by the senate to write it’s version of the ACA. 3 republicans and 3 democrats. Look it up! Chuck Grassley was on the committee. He knew what was being said and what was in the bill and went back to Iowa and started the death panel clap trap. You also refuse to admit that this is a republican solution to the problem of the uninsured and that it was written by the republican think tank, the heritage foundation. While you are obsessed with the illusion that this is socialism you fail to see the reality. The ACA relies on personal responsibility for health care. People must buy insurance just like they buy car or house insurance. No one is doing away with the market place of insurance companies. From your posts I have come to believe you know little about health care financing, and the impact on the taxpayer that the uninsured have created. Then republican plan so far and its been said by many elected republicans including former president Bush, it for the uninsured to go to the hospital emergency rooms for care. When the uninsured patient couldn’t pay the bill the hospital bills the state for charity, or uncompensated care reimbursement. This is the most costliest way to deliver health care. The cheapest way is to have the uninsured go to private practice and for that they need insurance. This is not rocket science. So what the ACA does is prompt everyone to buy insurance. I agree with you that a 1 cent tax would cover it but in the end the people need insurance. If not that then we need a public option that people can buy into depending on their income. This is why there is the Medicaid expansion built into the law. the goal is to push this population away from the emergency rooms and into a low cost delivery setting. So why don’t you stop insulting me with your wild charges that I’m this or that. When you do that it makes me think that you are not intelligent enough to debate.
            So what’s it going to be public option or insurance?

          • bikejedi

            I hope you read this all the way through because you might find we agree on a few things
            A couple things ..I don’t deny the gang bangers of 6 thing ..It just didn’t have any impact to this bill …They did all that banging and then the Dems went behind closed doors and came up with the Train Wreck and put Obama’s name to it . By the way if anyone is trying to hurt Preezy and make him look bad he might want to look at the people who wrote that Train Wreck .
            While this bears some similarity to Heritage and Romney care they are completely different animals in the way they attempt to achieve their aims . It is a fallacy and talking point
            We can agree that health care by emergency room isn’t all that good . so

            Lets go through a few things on Obamacare ..Its funding relies on Companies to not only buy into it but to also pay a premium so the Victim Entitlement Class can enjoy Free Shit ( all so they vote Dem ..In effect redistributing wealth to give them free stuff for votes …Stop buying votes please ) It then gives these Companies opt outs that are way way cheaper then the Health plans …Most will opt out .
            That will leave the individuals with NO coverage and a mandate that FORCES them to buy insurance… yet it also gives them an opt out that is way way cheaper then the insurance plans …So 2 things …how is this ” if you like your insurance you can keep it ” because a lot of my Liberal friends are getting wake up calls lately ? People are losing their Company supplied coverage now and are having to come out of pocket and buy their own . So how is that more affordable to them ? It isn’t …this bill then relies on young healthy individuals to buy into it and lets see ..they can spend 10 K for insurance or opt out and buy that BMW they want …What do you think they will do ?…so they wont be covered ..Yet if they need insurance they cant be denied for pre existing conditions …If they get hurt or sick they will just buy it when they need it and if not they will opt out and buy the BMW . So that means we have fewer people covered then before and also a Train Wreck that is just a redistribution plan . The people who are producers lose their plans and or pay more and the Victim Entitlement people get Free Shit … The next big problem is the exemption for part timers so Companies wont hire full timers they will have no coverage and they wont be able to afford it either . Because they are working they probably wont qualify for the free exchanges so they will pay a penalty and not be covered . Also the Part time exemption will totally destroy the economy further decaying Americans overall consuming ability and increasing the already highest % of part time workers in this Country’s history ( thank you Obama for increasing income disparity and making more people poor which is always the result of Socialism )
            So we will have an economy on the rocks and fewer people then we have now with coverage …Obamacare will not be able to fund itself and the Socialist Dems will say what they always do …the Plan wasn’t big enough ..we need a Vat to help subsidize it ,..and after a few more years they will say we still didn’t go far enough and we need a single payer .
            You might be surprised to know that a lot of people on the right may not be so against a single payer as long as it doesn’t destroy the Insurance industry and EVERYONE Pays into it
            make it based on a Consumer Tax and Everyone from the Preezy on down gets the same plan and NO waivers for Dem Liberals .
            You people aren’t pushing that because you are hypocrites . You don’t care that your guys are all getting waivers from what you forced down every other Americans throats …You don’t care that Obamacare is a Train Wreck that will kill the economy and will leave fewer covered . You are so invested in defending an asswipe who doesn’t care about OUR Country that you support him like lemming . You do that instead of showing any independence of thought and commons sense and saying …Hey this Jedi guy is right …this thing sucks so bad our guys know it have opted out , and yet they still have me running around defending what they have opted out of ,…Your OWN side has abandoned Obamacare and yet here you are still trying to defend it . You people should demand 1 that they all take it before you try to sell it to us because they are cutting you off at the Knees and making you all look like dumb lemmings . the second thing you should do is just admit this thing Sucks and demand a real plan that isn’t based on wealth redistribution for votes, covers everyone , that everyone pays into ,and that everyone has to have .

          • howa4x

            I wrote before that I’m for a single payer system and I’m not a true liberal and a registered independent so I despise both parties but the republicans a little more. The ACA is a compromise between the left and right. The left wanting universal coverage and the right wanting to protect the free markets. This is why this act made everyone have a love/hate relationship with it. I don’t love it but don’t see the need to shut down the government over it. The republicans have to present reasonable alternatives or come up with what they want to see fixed. it’s called compromise through negotiation.
            Let’s go back before this ever became a law. We had 32 million uninsured and a Harvard study concluded that 50,000 people died every year fro lack of access to the healthcare system. Almost all the personal bankruptcies were due to the inability to pay hospital bills. Insurance companies routinely dropped people from coverage, and either didn’t pay medical or denied coverage based on pre existing conditions. Every family and individual had a life time cap on ins co expenditures of 1 million. The insurance companies were publically traded and the ROI was 20%. One year AETNA came up short only returning 18.5%. Wall st down graded their stock and AETNA responded by dropping 8.5 million from coverage. So we all can agree that the system wasn’t working. I know these facts because I was on the bd of directors of a hospital. We can’t go back to a healthcare payment system that is more responsive to it’s investors than the people they cover. Can we agree on this?
            Before this plan was written the insurance companies were brought in and were asked what it would take to prevent them from the dropping/.denial system they were running. They wanted to keep their profit margins, and the only way to do that is to compel healthy people to buy insurance so the insurance companies aren’t just stuck insuring sick people. Another words to increase the pool of people insured to spread the risk.
            Now I’m not in favor of healthy insurance companies only and not the people. I don’t know how you feel about that.
            This is when Romney’s plan was adopted. It is working in Mass, and it has the same mandate to buy insurance as the ACA. In fact there they have almost universal coverage after 5 yrs of having it. So if you want to keep the insurance companies in tact and have the free market manage the payment of healthcare then you need to create large pools of the insured population with a mixture of sick and well. Otherwise it is not sustainable. Now if you want a public option funded by a 1 cent tax on everything, that is another issue but it bypasses the insurance companies. So without using incendiary labels and knowing all the facts surrounding this, what would you do? And what is the republican plan? the only Republican plan I know is the ACA
            Have a good night

          • bikejedi

            The ACA had no Republican input so it was a compromise between the Dems and the Dems . the Dems wanted to do Wealth Redistribution for votes yet didn’t want to raise taxes in Obama’s first term and in a bad economy… I think that if you lived in Chicago you would easily be able to discern between what the Dems say and try to get people to believe in altruistic terms…. and what their real agenda is …Most of my Liberal friends in Chicago recognize that this will leave more WITHOUT insurance then before and will redistribute the wealth of others to Victim Entitlement people for votes …the problem is that most of these Chicago Liberals still support that for two reasons .. 1 they think it is fair that poor people get something for nothing and they think that producers can all afford to pay for it …they think it is fair that these ” greedy ” hard working people in the middle class give something back out of some sense of Socialist fairness ( this is why Psychologists now view Liberalism as a mental disorder ) 2 They care more about winning then what is good for their own Country …They are so invested in the debate they simply don’t want to lose ..Hence they are OK with redistributing wealth for these votes even if their own common sense tells them that this bill is not about covering more people …I fully believe if more of you had grown up in Chicago you would instantly be able to discern the difference between the soap Dems sell and what their real agenda is . By the way we see the same thing in the ILLEGAL ALIEN debate . They know it isn’t a good thing to reward these people for their ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR they know there are millions of Americans without jobs but they think it is somehow fair to allow criminals free benefits jobs and votes …as long as they vote for their guys so they can win and the Liberals can gloat about winning elections …these same people don’t care about the 1200 to 1800 Veterans of the Middle East wars that are homeless ,.. sweet compassion for votes but no compassion or concern for Americans …All for the votes that is what they care about
            I am not against a 1 % sales tax that everyone pays into and a plan that everyone has to take NO WAIVERS for Liberals or Dems . That could take a form where the Insurance Companies still have a stake and the Government doesn’t run Health care
            You keep talking about the healthcare system and say you were on the board of a hospital ..You mention the way these Insurance companies have done things in the past . Cool Im glad you have that insight and I respect your knowledge on that . So use your influence to fight for something better then Obamacare because the corruption out of this will make that old stuff look like child’s play …My expertise is with the Chicago way ( God I hate that term ) and I know what happens when they get involved
            I don’t disagree with you on the health issues but in a free society Michele Obama shouldn’t be telling anyone what to eat … Especially with an ass like she has .. I believe in personal responsibility and that is why I eat right and work out like a mad man . I am ok with those people who don’t take care of themselves having to pay an extra fee for their policies if they don’t want to take personal responsibility .
            We are fast becoming a nation of couch potatoes and people who eat chips and drink soda .

          • howa4x

            I don’t have to grow up in Chicago to recognize corruption. I live in the soprano state of NJ with more mayors behind bars than any other state. Both parties here are feeding at the public trough. the Dems do it on the street and the repubs do it by 1 having over 500 municipalities and 2 giving out large contracts for lawyers and engineering that kick back to the party I worked for both parties when in governmental public health for 34 yrs. I’m not a liberal because I was always opposed to the way Welfare was designed and implemented, creating the permanent poor. The worst thing about it was that it held a population in an area that couldn’t economically sustain them. Drugs sales, prostitution, and gang related loan sharking is the underground economy of the low income areas. I know this because one of my divisions was a drug program. Back to the ACA
            Let’s drop the issue about whether the republicans had any involvement in the writing of the ACA. since I said they did and you say they didn’t and we won’t convince each other differently. There is no shifting of wealth caused by the ACA. The largest transfer of wealth was due the Bush tax cuts where the income of the upper 1% of the population rose 256% over everyone else. That is statistically measured and available. Wealth is not measured in millions anymore but in billions. The economy is globalized so the illegal immigrants aren’t taking any job that Americans would do. How any of your friends kids what to be landscapers all day for minimum wage? The real threat to the middle class is the benefit-less, work for less culture pushed by the Koch bros., Waltons, business roundtable and freedom works. Now companies move jobs and money around the world to find the cheapest labor costs. This is why Bangladesh is loaded with clothing factories that were once made in SC. These groups want to create a dynamic where the American worker will take less and less in compensation. This is why there is union busting in Tea party controlled states and none will raise the minimum wage. Do you realize that every Wal-Mart store cost the taxpayers $910.000. This is because they pay so little, and cut enough hours that employees quality for food stamps, housing subsidies and for Medicaid. The entire food industry is like this too following the blue print of minimum wages and no benefits.
            The reason they the uber wealthy get away with it is that have convinced people like you to hate the these people and call them takers and vent your rage on them for trying to work hard and eek out a living. I know this because my wife’s aunt works in a Wal-Mart in SC
            This is why do much attention is focused on repealing the ACA and why red states won’t take the Medicaid expansion. It is magical thinking to believe that these people will disappear. They are here and it is not just immigrants working these jobs but many more Americans.
            So on one hand you are cheering the ultra wealthy in creating this new workplace and on the other you are blaming the people for taking these jobs, and wanting to deny them benefits. It is like you are in a parallel universe where you think this is all the fault of the ACA.
            It was unions that created the middle class of the 50-80’s. Now with the war on them, where is the future middle class going to come from? How are we going to be competitive in the future if we have our best students drowning in college debt to make our bankers rich while in other countries tuition is free?. How are we going to keep moving goods and services if our infrastructure is falling down?
            We need a health care system. Right now it’s broken and costly. $ 2.6 trillion and rising. there are much bigger issues out there than this stupid shutdown over 1 program. If republicans have a better idea on how to fix it then sell it to the voters. I’m willing to listen.

          • bikejedi

            You are right about Welfare and the way that was implemented . If you look at the rules of the Social Safety net it is designed to encourage single parents . This has caused misery and generational poverty for blacks who support the Dems . In return the Dems have for generations been able to convince the blacks of two things 1 they are the party that cares about them when they don’t and 2 to give up their freedoms and opportunities for a place at the Govt tit .
            This is exactly Wealth Redistribution of Wealth ..How else do you define taking the product of the Companies and the people in the Private Sector and using it to give NON producers a FREE ENTITLEMENT ??? That isn’t even up for debate if you can reason logically so please lets not go there .
            You say you aren’t a Liberal but you the try to spin and deflect this and compare it to Tax Cuts under Bush
            Income disparity has grown faster under Obama then at any time in history . Due to 3 factors 1 the QE’s helping the bond and stock Markets and thus the portfolios of those who have them 2 the massive increase of poor people intentionally which was intentional and 3 the highest percentage of part timers ever all brought to you by Obama
            Once again you say you aren’t a Liberal but you sure do talk like one all you are doing is going off topic and trying to bash Bush …While Bush made some mistakes Obama has doubled down and is way worse …what’s your point ?
            The economy is globalized so ILLEGAL ALIENS aren’t taking jobs ??? Come to Chicago where they are being given job training and jobs …that is such tripe I don’t where to begin …It makes me sick when I hear people say that they only take jobs Americans wont ..That is TOTAL LIBERAL BS . And your local economy isn’t globalized it is Corporations that are.
            And that Koch bros stuff is BS too . Just a decade ago most Companies could afford to give health and retirement plans but all the Dems so is to keep squeezing their profits with taxation so cuts have to be made somewhere ..And please don’t bore me with that …They are making record profits BS ..yes in dollars they are but not in percentage .the Koch’s have nothing to do with that so stop trying to villianize them …and you say you aren’t a Liberal ..so far you have spun and deflected to Bush ..tried to defend ILLEGAL ALIENS and tried to blame the Kochs for policy the Dems have forced on Capitalism . and now you use an invalid class warfare argument against Walmart . So if that Walmart wasn’t there and those people were making NO money how much MORE would those people eat up in Tax Payer support …In the meantime Walmart is giving them job experience and a chance for advancement and making them tax payers that produce SOMETHING ..You shouldn’t expect ANYTHING else out of minimum wage jobs or starter Jobs ,,they never were expected to be the type of job where you would support a family on …But since Obama has screwed up the Economy so bad these are the only jobs some people can get ..this isn’t communism and if you force them to pay 15 hr why stop there …I mean why not just make Walmart pay them 78 hr like the average UAW member …that way Walmart can go out of business and NO one can work …Occupy much ????
            The Unions did not ” create ” the middle class that is laughable
            If you want to got to College that should be on you and so should your student loans ..Its called personal responsibility ..If the Liberals were so concerned they would start asking the other Liberals in academia why their costs are increasing over 33% over inflation …but they wont because those are all Liberals getting rich … more millionaires are coming from the ranks of education then any other group …Look it up ..No the Liberals wont say anything about that because those are their guys that are down there indoctrinating rather then educating
            The Republicans did have a better idea and Ryan pitched it when he schooled Obama on the ACA ..it as well as the other Republican ideas ( tort reform , portability etc ) fell on deaf Dem ears because they WANTED WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION for VOTES and because they wanted to OPT THEMSELES OUT .
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          • howa4x

            I think our posting has come to an end . You seem to see the world through a republican lens and I see it as an independent. Neither of us is going to convince the other so no sense in carrying this on.
            I wish you and your family well

          • bikejedi

            translation …You are right Jedi and I cant defend my sides obviously Hypocrisy on all of these issues …. and you are right I only say I’m and independent to try to sell soap but you pointed out fairly that everything I posted and support is right out of the Obama Liberal agenda playbook so I guess you got me on that …Oh and I have no answer as to explain the hypocrisy on my side over the Train Wreck of Obamcare and out of Liberal Loyalty I wont call my own side out and demand that they take it . I also wont demand that Obama give the same waiver to working individuals in the middle class as he did for his Corporate Donors …yep Im a Liberal and I wont call them out because being a Liberal by definition makes me a Hypocrite …

            You do realize that if your people put pressure on your side to give the same waiver to individuals that Obama gave to Corprorations this would be over so don’t even try to paint that this is a GOP shut down …You by your silence and Obama and Reid by their actions own it …Have a nice day and I didn’t mean to sound so mean …But you know its the truth

          • howa4x

            I agree no waivers should have been granted and I’m not a liberal but an independent. best to you and your family

          • bikejedi

            Im glad you agree with no waivers . Now please convince your side before you people try to sell ACA to the rest of us …You say your an independent and Im not seeing it from the Liberal views you share . I will say you are very informed ( hey maybe you are an independent …lets face it there aren’t too many informed Liberals hahah) reasoned and sane …TY …Peace to you

          • howa4x

            I think you see me as a liberal because I appear to defend the ACA. I’m not a fan of the law and would have preferred a public option to lower HC costs. I’m knowledgeable about these issues from time spent as a hosp bd member and sitting on my state health planning bd for 4 yrs, plus 34 yrs in public health. We had to deal with them from a state standpoint, so I’m more aware of the financial impact of the uninsured than the average person
            I see the two parties as cynical. More obsessed with their own power and rewarding their friends than actually doing right by the people they represent. I see Climate change as being real since environmental protection was part of my job, same as the joint chiefs of staff of the military which ranks it as a threat to this country as well as childhood obesity which makes them afraid there will be less kids fit enough to fight. I also see as a danger to this country the concentration of wealth at the top. Ike warned us about that and the system that lavished rewards on them while forcing me and you, the middle class to pay for everything. This is why the makers/takers slogan was born Getting you and I to loathe the poor while the rich take all the benefits. I see both Parties responsible for this situation and see both of them as anti middle class. So we can disagree on what we see as problems and what we see as solutions, and that my friend is what makes this country strong.

          • bikejedi

            Actually it isn’t your support for the ACA as much as your support for every Liberal Position and the language you use …Come on man get out of the independent closet and just come out already ( that’s a joke ) . Yes you seem knowledgeable from a Hospital Board members perspective it doesn’t seem you take into account how this will effect the economy…yes I know that healt benefits mean a healthier populace but as I keep pointing out this wont cover more people it will cover less . And insuring people was NEVER the goal of this rather Wealth Redistribution . We could of reduced costs just by capping tort suits and allowing portability across State Lines and if you want to go the other way a 1% consumer tax would be better then wealth redistribution for votes .
            Climate Change ? See right there you reveal yourself as A Liberal using the PC term after Global Warming was proven a joke . How do you explain the Polar Ice Caps and that most Climatologists who aren’t relying on grant funds are saying the opposite …and forget all that do you really think a Tax on Americans will solve it if it is Global ?
            Income disparity is a problem and under Obama we see real disturbing trends , yet no one on the left calls him on it ? He escapes all blame from you and the Liberal Media for …Fewer Americans working then when he took office , Income dropping by an average of $4000 / yr , the highest % of part time workers in American History and the largest number of people on the Govt TIT …anyway have a great evening … It appears my Dems here may have revenued me out of business today

          • howa4x

            I don’t see how you equate wealth distribution with the ACA. How is that accomplished? Just because there is a subsidy with the act doesn’t mean that they are redistributing real wealth. Real wealth is in the upper 0.1% of the population and none of their wealth is going to be touched with the ACA. I really don’t think after reading your post that you understand health macro economics. Having the uninsured costs everybody in term of higher taxes. I think I went over this in detail how that happens so I will spare you the detail again, You still fail to grasp that the ACA left all the insurance companies in charge of the payment of illness care. So this is a private sector solution to the uninsured problem. It has nothing to do with socialism. There are 2 ways to insure people. 1st is employment insurance, and the second is government insurance in the form of Medicaid/Medicare. The group that makes up the uninsured is the working poor. They make too much for Medicaid and not enough to buy insurance. I had a first hand experience with that at my gym yesterday. The trainer there was telling me he couldn’t afford private insurance for him and his wife at 900/month He made too much for the Medicaid expansion and not enough to afford it. Because our governor (NJ)is going to run for president as a republican he didn’t sit down with the insurance companies to negotiate like NY and calif did to get a 29-50% reduction in HC premiums, so it is expensive for him. People who work at McDonalds, Wal-Mart and other retail outlets don’t have any employee benefits/insurance so they have to get it somewhere. As I wrote to you before, I agree with your 1% sales tax to fund it but I don’t see the plan of how you’re going to insure people. If it ‘s just going to be in exchanges to have competition to lower cost than you have the ACA. If you know of something better I would love to hear it. Remember the poor have Medicaid so that isn’t the issue, it’s the working poor that’s the problem.
            About climate change. 5000 of the worlds best scientists have said it is a major problem and 4 said it isn’t. Those 4 were paid by the oil companies. In fact one of them professor Miller the most prolific denier( and paid by the oil companies) just switched positions and said it is a real problem. So you can believe 5001 scientists or believe 3. That is up to you. This is not a liberal position on my part it is an environmental one since I understand the science. The Joint Chiefs of staff of the military said this as one of the top ten threats to national security. You can believe that or not. But you can look it up. so in closing. I’m not a liberal but have a health and environmental background, so if 5001 scientists say something I tend to believe them. You of course can stay a denier and that is up to you and your family. I see the health care system form a macro view so I’m not writing as a liberal or conservative but and independent with knowledge of how it works. You can take what I have to say or believe what you want to.
            Bless you and your family

          • bikejedi

            Simple . The ACA is funded by Companies who are forced to buy insurance , opt out and pay a TAX PENALTY , or hire Part Timers . It is also funded by people who work in the Private Sector . When their Companies cut their Policies because the Opt out Is substantially cheaper then they have to either buy their own insurance or pay the individual ” Shared Responsibility ” Tax .. Meanwhile Obama voters in the Permanent Victim Entitlement Class get Free Stuff . Who do you think is paying for that and wouldn’t you call that Wealth Redistribution to buy votes ? I mean where do you think that money is coming from ?
            It seems I understand Common sense better then you understand health macro economics . And the fact that the current system of health care by ER is not good it doesn’t change the fact that this is the biggest Train Wreck of legislation probably in the history of mankind and that is not an exaggeration . If this topples our economy it will bring global consequences .
            There are more reasonable alternatives such as just trying to drive down costs through portability and tort reform but we both know why the Dems didn’t go for that …And another way would be to do a 1% sales tax on EVERYONE …that includes those who are on welfare and use an EBT … ! % isn’t a lot and maybe they will learn what raising taxes feels like . that whole crew is always so eager to say raise the Taxes to pay for something because they don’t pay any .
            That stuff on the GLOBAL WARMING ( tell that to the Ice Caps ) is laughable …How about the intercepted emails ( thank you Russia ) of all the Liberal Scientists on both sides of the pond where they are all laughing about what a joke it is …Or the fact that the same week the Polar Caps thing came out that the report showing the predicted graphs of the change as measured against the actual weather showed a way lower rate of change …There are just as many scientist who DONT get grants who are skeptics as those who are on your side who ALL get and are protecting GRANTS …sooo draw your own conclusion …If Christie runs he wont win the primary unless he switches party’s… all the Dem States claiming a savings are factoring in the subsidizing and that ends after two years …In Illinois they averaged in all those on Entitlements who don’t pay anything in their projections . Once again we know how the Dems do math here . As for the Joint Chiefs ..they are protecting funding as well …and Obama has a track record of firing ANY General who doesn’t toe the line

          • howa4x

            Companies that pay for health insurance for their employees is usually negotiated through union contracts or given to exec’s as a perk. This was going on long before the ACA came into the picture. Real wealth distribution came with the Bush tax cuts where the wealth of the upper 1% went up 256% over the rest of us. It was the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the uber wealthy in history. There is a book you should read called Winner Take All written by 2 statisticians who are politically neutral. It shows that both parties were involved in making this super class so wealthy. Welfare is a pittance compared to this. Most on welfare are on a program called ADFC. All are single mothers that didn’t abort their children and the majority of them are white so no need for coded racism. Think of Appalachia and rural mid west. While we are posting about benefit fraud, 60 minutes ran a story that showed that people who live in the northern part of Kentucky that borders WVA are responsible for the largest SS disability fraud in the country. People there use it when unemployment runs out. the Investigation was done by Tom Colburn’s office. So here we have Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul yipping about waste and fraud and the biggest fraud of all is happening in their own state and they didn’t even uncover it. While we are talking about re distribution of wealth. Think of Kentucky and other red states that get back fro the federal govt much more than blue states. Kentucky gets back $1.55 for every dollar sent to the feds and NJ gets back $.61 cents. So we could conclude that red state are on the dole. I’m not going to talk to you anymore about climate science. You can have your view and that is fine with me. I’m not going to feel the full effects anyway since I’m in my md 60’s but young people will live through it. Think of hurricane Sandy that went all the way up to NE because the water’s are warmer. I know this because my friend that lives in Maine tells me the lobsters don’t have a thick shells anymore due to the warmer waters.
            Again you can believe what you want to. I want to keep an open mind.
            So once again my friend we have come to the point where whatever you write will not convince me and whatever I write will not convince you so what are we doing here. Let’s go our separate ways ok and I wish you well

          • bikejedi

            What ??? Companies that pay for health insurance for their employees negotiated through Union contract ???? How do Union Contracts apply to most Corporations who aren’t Union ( thank God for that ) the Bush tax cuts were not responsible for the growth in Income disparity under Bush ..It was the fact that there were 7 straight years of economic growth under Bush right up until the Sub Prime housing crash ..that is why their portfolio’s grew and that type of growth helps the whole country so please stop hating on the achievers in this country . It is a Liberal straw man argument designed to appeal to the low information poor who want to believe they are victims because another person is wealthy …a lot of rural people have less education and the left loves to pile on that as proof that in Liberal States they have better education ..Have you seen what a great job our Dem Socialist Union Public Schools are doing in the Chi ? The reason more money tends to go to Red States has more to do with where Military Installations are

          • howa4x

            I told you I wouldn’t respond to your republican talking points so good bye and good luck

          • bikejedi

            Well that’s typical . Liberals don’t like facts and logic …Gee I responded to your class warfare rant and the totally erroneous thing abolut Unions getting Contracts for health care which weren’t based on fact or logic …Good Luck indeed

          • bikejedi

            I would take that Red State Blue State bet any day of the week and after five years your side would all be people on the dole arguing with each other and our side would be a model of efficiency and happiness where people would rise and fall on their own talents and drive …Not because they are related to know someone or blow someone …. We would have a healthcare plan that worked and you would still be stuck with indoctrinating Unions and we would have education . Your whole side would be Detroit overnight with no one to pay the bills and China bending Obama in a LEAN FORWARD Mode over the table

  • johninPCFL

    According to the teabagger playbook, children have already been born and are not subject to abortion, thus have no value. Children in clinical trials certainly do NOT belong to the 1%, and thus have even less value.

    • jointerjohn

      Brilliant! The real reason republicans don’t give a crap what happens to children after they are born is that after they are born there is no longer any opportunity to dominate or dictate conditions to the mother. You see, for them, being against abortion has nothing to do with saving the fetus, it has everything to do with keeping those damn women in their place. If they can’t boss women, poor people, or minorities around then it isn’t any fun any more and their personal little “soldiers” won’t stand at attention unless they are pushing someone around.

      • SV

        YOU A DEFINTELY WRONG AND I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR POST. YOU HAVE A NEGATIVE MIND, IT TAKES BOTH HOUSES IN CONGRESS TO RUN OUR COUNTRY SMOOTHLY AND THE REPUBLICANS DO CARE, THE DEMOCRAPS TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT AND THERE IS NO EASY WAY OUT IN LIFE. WE EARN NOT GIVEN – LIFE IS WHAT WE MAKE OF IT NOT FOR WHAT IS GIVEN. EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN AND NOT DEPEND ON OUR GOVERNMENT.
        TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOURSELF AND YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHERS DIFFERENTLY. THANK YOU.

        • Sand_Cat

          Idiot.

        • RobertCHastings

          Read charleo1’s post about five or six back, check his story out on snopes.com or on truthorfiction.com, and then make up your own mind before listening to Limbaugh or Beck. Both sites are widely respected sources for verification by BOTH sides of the argument. Mirrors were made so we can see ourselves as others see us, not so we can see ourselves.

    • JenH

      Really? Republicans don’t care about kids? That’s as ridiculous as saying that all democrats hate babies and would like to abort them all. So tired of the exaggerations.

    • nirodha

      The TPotty’s value system is the only one that holds that both zygotes and corporations are viable human beings.

    • bikejedi

      You want to bring up abortion ? You guys want to kill babies before they have a chance to be born and if you fail in the assassination attempt Obama is Ok with kiillng that Baby …By the way the GOP sent a bill funding NIH and it is your side holding it up out of spite … Lets say you are right and the GOP is just trying to do this piece mail …so what if the Dems were responsible they would at least accept the things that might save American Lives until a broader deal can be reached …To not accept the NIH funding out of childlike spite might mean lives and it shows where there values are …If Your media does its job and reports this your side will lose the PR battle on this and that is all you are worried about .

      • johninPCFL

        The GOP has brought up abortion a dozen or more times so far this year alone. The thinking on the part of the teabaggers is: rape doesn’t happen often – pregnancy from rape never hapens (Todd Akin), therefore no abortions for any reason, once they’re born cut ‘em loose (no SCHIP, MEDicare, Headstart).
        So you’re OK now with government picking winners and losers? That’s what the teabaggers are doing now. Get your spot on TV, get funding from the GOP.
        You’re now having an internal argument with OMG (aka Bozo), who believes that the NIH clinical trial was for skin cream. Get today’s story straight, at least.

        • bikejedi

          I haven’t read Obozo’s comment but it was probably spot on . I don’t have any idea other then spin and deflection to bring this issue up and yes Obama and Reis wont even take issues off the table that are critical for sick kids …How compassionate . They are doing that out of spite and because they want it there way or the Highway …oh and then after they get everything they want they will negotiate …What exactly would they be negotiating ?

          • johninPCFL

            Yeah, Bozo’s comment was that nobody understood what a clinical trial was, that this was probably for skin cream. Reading the article (where the kids’ cancer was called out) apparently didn’t occur to him before making up his mind and uncorking his mental diarrhea. But that’s normal for a teabagger, right?
            The teabaggers began calling for shutdown in 2010, and have been screeching ever since. After three years they’ve finally gotten exactly what they’ve been asking for. Why are you fighting them?

          • bikejedi

            Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.
            There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going — except for ObamaCare.
            This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.
            As for the House of Representatives’ right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.
            Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.
            ObamaCare is indeed “the law of the land,” as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.
            But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.
            The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies — unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.
            Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who — if anybody — “wants to shut down the government.” But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.
            The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a “clean” bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word “clean” like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?
            If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.
            You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.
            When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of “legislation by appropriation” as it used to be called.
            Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.
            Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.
            Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.
            None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out — and articulation has never been their strong suit — the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.

          • johninPCFL

            Like most teabaggers, you haven’t read the Constitution, or you would know what it actually says is “revenue bills shall begin in the House”. Revenue being taxes, you know. Spending bills may originate in either house, so the Senate bill, passed first in March and again in July, is equally valid. It’s a common mistake amongst the low-information voters.
            A “clean” bill as universally understood is one not encumbered by extraneous provisions such as defunding the park service, or the veterans department, or the ACA. Apparently the teabaggers have now taken it upon themselves to decide which parts of the federal government they may choose to vote for, then not pay for, at their whim.
            The president has not had the opportunity to accept or veto anything, and just as GWB vigorously campaigned for his priorities, so does this president. Harry Reid has already passed funding legislation (in March and July) and has set a position defining negotiation as consideration of those bills (and those from the House) without a loaded gun to his head. My recollection is that Gingrich and Hastert expressed exactly the same sentiments during the decade they ran both the House and the Senate..

          • bikejedi

            There you go again with the tea bagger thing …yes I enjoyed tea bagging yo mama …how does that feel ? Maybe you should just try being civil and that wont happen again K
            Next it appears I know a hell of a lot more about the Constitution then you do and our last two posts would show that even to low information Obama voters ..I bet you are hoping they don’t read that and decide that for themselves because it is a win for ME .
            Next . the GOP as is their right have agreed to the funding for EVERYTHING but the Train Wreck of Obamacare that all of your Dem Liberals has waivers for . they have even agreed to the funding if Obama and the Dems grant the same one year waiver to individuals who work as they have done for their greedy Corporate donors and here’s two things on that issue . Where are all the Dem Liberal Communist Occupiers and why haven’t they spoken up for the working class and against the tyranny of Obama ? Oh that’s right they are Liberals so by association they are HYPOCRITES …sweet …and the second thing is you are a hypocrite for also not speaking out against that when you know that would end this impasse . Of course your hyopocrite self isn’t speaking out against that because you are smart enough to know Obama did it so that every Dem up for reelection in the mid terms would lose and you would rather have your side win elections at the expense of your Country …You should be ashamed of yourself but you are so invested in defending your side you don’t care if it is bad for the Country you just don’t want to lose an argument . ..Gorw up ..Instead of bashing the GOP demand your side give what they gave to their Corporate Donors or better yet demand NO Waivers or Delays for anyone …that way America will have a year to find out what the Dems did with this Train Wreck and we can elect Officails who will rewrite this bill into something better for the whole Country ..You have a choice you can be a Liberal Hypocrite
            Next none of this has anything to do with past administrations .
            They were ALL able to work things out even when there were Govt shut downs ..It is just spin and delflection
            So what will be you next argument ? That they are just hating on him because he is black and don’t want to see him succeed because of that ?

          • johninPCFL

            Sorry, that was your sister you were with. Was that a good, civil reply to your disgusting stupidity?
            Perhaps A1S7 is not clear to you: “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.” Is it your contention that spending bills somehow “raise revenue”? Or did the teabagger talking points mislead you?
            The last estimate I saw was that about 2% of companies in the US had deferrals (for one year) and lots of religious institutions had waivers. The deferrals allow those companies with over 50 employees (like Congress) to get plans in place.

          • bikejedi

            You started the immaturity and you question me ? You display perfectly why EVERYONE considers Liberals and Hypocrites one and the same …In fact I am starting a campaign to get people used to using them interchangeably in sentences ….
            I don’t know where you get that laughable 2 % notion …according to what the Waiver Obama RULED… it should apply to ANY Company with over 50 employees .
            Any waiver granted for Political Consideration IE keeping the Dems from losing ever seat in the mid terms , and any waiver voted on and given out by the Dem Senate who forced it on the rest if us is HYPOCRITICAL …How can you keep defending it when all your Lib er Hypocrite Brothers have traded on their Political clout and are getting waivers …Its just like in Chicago …they pass a law the Libs don’t like it and next thing you know what good for you is good for you but not for them .
            You prove you’re a Hypo er Liberal by not demanding Obama end ALL waivers … You do realize that is he did that this shut down would be over right ? So in essence and using common sense he and Reid are the ones holding the Country hostage to protect Liberal Hypocrisy
            yes and as for your religious exemptions Obama’s Muslim faith is exempt from Obamacare Christians to go against their tenets to comply with his TAX LAW
            How do you have the nerve or lack of Patriotism to try to defend ANY of this …oh that’s right you are a Hyper er Liberal

          • johninPCFL

            You incoherent rant is pretty amusing. Immaturity? By using the term that the teabaggers picked for themselves in 2007? Or by calling out your “low information” position because you didn’t know what the Constitution had to say about revenue bills? Santorum being named after anal discharge is pretty funny, though.
            The 1-year waiver can be applied for by any company with more than 50 employees.
            Your rant doesn’t answer the question about why the Senate bills passed in March and July weren’t taken to conference by the House. Teabaggers in the House shut down the federal government because they chose to not do their job.

          • bikejedi

            There is nothing Incoherent about my POST . The Tea Party started using the term Tea Party for obvious metaphorical connections . They never used Tea Baggers You Bois do because you obviously like the taste of bags in your mouth …Unfortunately most of us are hetero so we are using your women instead of you Boi’s …so now you are angry you aren’t getting tea bagged …perfect case in point you reference your Gay Boi Saveger and how he tried to defame an American Christian Patriot just because Gay Boi Savage doesn’t like Christians who disagree with him ..
            On to the waiver . Obama gave those Companies waivers ONLY because he knows Obamacare is suck a Train Wreck and Sucks so bad that the Dems would LOSE the mid terms . Now I have to ask where is the Party of Compassion for the Working People ? Where are the Dem Liberal Communist Class Warfare Warriors of the Occupy Movement and why haven’t they spoken out against Obama and this injustice ? Oh that’s right they are Liberals so they are HYPOCRITES ..
            Obama and Reid have chosen to shut down the Govt and try to paint it the other way because they know YOUR media will carry the water and do their PR ..They will LIE and your information base will believe it .
            The simple fact of the matter and something you cant escape is that this would be over the minute the Whitehouse gave the same one year delay to working Americans …the GOP is fighting for the people …meanwhile all the Dems and Liberals are getting waivers from the Bill you are still trying to sell ..So why aren’t you mad that they are making it hard for you to sell it by opting out ? I mean they make your argument look real silly and you like a lemming who would support a bill that even your side doesn’t want . So in essence Obama and the Dems are holding us all hostage just to protect Liberal Hypocrisy

          • johninPCFL

            You apparently missed all the thousands of photos of teabaggers at their funny little meetings with the tea bags stapled all over their hats. They called themselves the teabaggers back then, changing it later after the alternate meaning became more well known. Sorry about your bad luck.
            The deferrals are for one year, and only if you have over 50 employees. That means that most of the deferrals will be ending next year, just about the same time that the individual mandate (you know, personal responsibility) becomes active.
            Apparently you really do need a civics lesson. Obama passes no laws. Only Congress passes laws. The Senate passed funding bills in March and July. The House, under the firm control of the teabagger caucus, chose not to act on those bills, nor to propose any of its own bills, until the last minute. They were more concerned with federal limits on abortion (even though it’s already illegal to spend federal money on abortions.) Since the teabaggers chose to ignore their responsibilities until the last minute, and then attach irrelevant spending onto their funding bills, the federal government shut down. I thank the teabaggers for that. You may choose not to.
            I’ve already opted in. The bulk insco premiums for my company dropped by $5400 per quarter, from $15k to $9600. Most of that savings was the requirement that the insco spend 80% of the money on providing healthcare.

          • bikejedi

            The Tea Party NEVER called themselves teabaggers you guys did until we pointed out the yes we enjoy bagging your women . after all most of you are metro sexual effeminate Eunics . I don’t know what bad luck you refer to ?
            Don’t need a civics lesson maybe you should explain to your side why Obama altered a law ( illegally ) to suit his needs

          • johninPCFL

            Sorry, you are wrong again: ”
            The key moment in the early history of the tea party movement, described by Nordlinger in his article Rise of an Epithet:
            The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it. Washington Independent’s Dave Weigel fact-checks Nordlinger, and finds that his recollection of tea partier history is a bit off. The first mention of “teabagging” came on Feb. 27, Weigel writes, not on April 15.”

  • ObozoMustGo

    How many of you leftist freak morons know what a clinical trial is? They could be talking about a clinical trial for a skin ointment to cure a rash. And a clinical trial IS NOT healthcare. Some people volunteer to be guinea pigs for any number of reasons. But that won’t stop the useful idiots at The Memo from being demagogues on behalf of the Obozo propaganda machine. The Memo gives yellow journalism a good name!

    Have a nice day!

    The perfect quote……

    “Demagogue: one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.” – H.L. Mencken

    • RobertCHastings

      Once again you just can’t say anything without making it confrontational and totally unreadable. What interest should we have in reading anything you post if you can’t be reasonable?

      • ObozoMustGo

        Hasty… the headline of the propaganda piece says “Children With Cancer Denied Treatment Due To Shutdown” when the article is really about clinical trials, which are NOT treatment. They are experiments. They are in those experiments because the doctors that TREAT them got them in the trial in the first place. So the article headline is deliberately misleading and is nothing short of the usual bullsheet coming from the useful idiots that write here and disguise themselves as journalists when they are anything but that. There’s nothing unreasonable about pointing this out.

        Have a nice day, Hasty! I hope you are welll.

        “If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.” — Mark Twain

  • Dominick Vila

    One of the most cynical offers made by the House obstructionists was made yesterday when Speaker Boehner and Rep Cantor reiterated that they are prepared to pass the Bills that fund the NIH services that help people, such as the children with cancer that had no access to that facility, and the parks bill so that veterans can visit the monuments that commemorate their sacrifices. In fact, that reiterated they are willing to pass every single item in the budget…except one.
    The fact that 2.8 million people accessed the ACA website the last two days to obtain information and join the ACA exchanges does not make any difference to them.

    • RobertCHastings

      As usual, you make excellent points. 2.8 million out of the 40 million who will eventually receive coverage is quite an astounding number, in one day. What programs have the Republicans proposed over the past 100 years that have garnered that much interest?

    • jimlongdrainpro

      I hear 2.8million did check the website ( it’s the law now you must have insurance )….. however…you neglected to mention a mere few thousand signed up…… that’s less than 1%….a very small number…

      • Sabreen60

        Link?

  • RobertCHastings

    The Republicans in the House are trying to, piecemeal, flesh together an itemized budget plan that will exclude Obamacare’s funding. By trying,one item at a time, to fund everything BUT the Affordable Care Act, they believe that they will achieve their goal. Will the American public buy it, even though more recent polling is clearly demonstrating that Americans favor the ACA? The small numbers of children who, unfortunately, will not receive the benefit of drug trials because the NIH is not open for business, will be on the banner for the Republicans as poster children AGAINST the ACA. Sort of cynical,isn’t it, like what they accused Obama of after the Sandy Hook massacre, in which 20 children were murdered. It never ceases to amaze me how on one topic they can say one thing and on the next topic make a 180 degree turn in the opposite direction. The whole party is flip-flopping.

  • Angel Perea

    KEEPING IT
    THOUGHTFULY HONEST: GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN is now THE signature achievement for these House Republicans. So U.S. Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., says, “But people are probably going to realize that they can live with a lot less
    government then what they thought they needed.”So her ideological views that
    closing down government and having less government is a good thing! So since
    she and her tea party want less taxes and less government, let’s give it to
    them. Identify all the tea party States and let’s only return the tax funds
    that their State provides and no more. In the meantime, close down the Big
    government service in those States since “they can live with a lot less
    government then what they thought they needed!“ And wait and see what their constituents think about less government! These States have been taking more tax monies for Govt. services, while they complain about Govt.

    http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/oct/01/tennessee-gop-congresswoman-state-democratic-chair/

  • jimlongdrainpro

    Both sides are wrong in this along with the President….none in this battle are innocent except the citizens…

  • Sabreen60

    Sick of the false equivalency BS. John Boehner can bring the clean CR to the floor right now and it will pass. It is the Republicans who refuse to pass the CR. They are holding the country hostage, unless the ACA is gutted. Since when has this government worked this way? Name ONE other time that a law which was passed by both Houses, signed by the President, upheld by the SCOTUS and a President elected on the very issue used to shutdown the government. We have no Fourth Estate. We have a media who is to scared to apply the First Principle of Journalism – Tell the Truth.

    “…..the standoff over funding the law is still threatening the health of
    Americans in ways that will only get worse as the impasse continues.” This statement is totally false. There is no “standoff” over the funding of the ACA. The shutdown of the government does not effect the funding of the law. As you may have noticed the ACA is up and running.

  • RobertCHastings

    One thing all those alarmists on the right seem to totally ignore is that the tests which are being “denied” to these children are scientific advances that have been achieved largely against their anti-science will. These tests are just that – tests of untried and unproven methods, that present no guarantee of success. All they promise is that the cause of science will be advanced and the scientists will learn from them.

    • nirodha

      Oh, you mean sort of like the clinical trials conducted by Jonas Salk and his colleagues some years ago? The trials that led to the development of the vaccine that eradicated polio? Gee, we all know how that turned out…

      • RobertCHastings

        The clinical trials to test the efficacy of the Salk polio vaccine saved very few lives. However, the application of the tested and improved version of the Salk polio vaccine saved millions of lives and saved millions more from a crippled future. Clinical trials are NOT intended to save lives, merely to test whether a medication/device/procedure works by doing less harm than good. Perhaps you have forgotten thalidomide, LSD, and ecstacy.

        • nirodha

          I meant that clinical trials pave the way for further research, and in this case,as in many others, lead to positive results. My point was that the medieval TPotty extremists are generally science deniers, and think nothing of defunding potentially lifesaving research.

          • RobertCHastings

            Have you watched the new “Michael J.Fox”show? He has become the face of what you speak of. Several years ago, when he appeared before Congress to testify regarding stem-cell research as an avenue to treating Parkinsons, he was ridiculed by (among others) Rush Limbaugh, because he was “off his meds” in order to dramatize his disease. Even Nancy Reagan was pushing stem-cell research for its possible applications in Alzheimers. Resistance to this one line of research by conservatives was based upon non-scientific reasoning.

  • KartofflMuter

    Easy come easy go,Right?

  • Liberalism is Nonsense

    During Hussein Obama’s first four years, the number of Americans on food stamps increased by an average of about 11,000 per day.Reference: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-21/33-shocking-facts-which-show-how-badly-economy-has-tanked-under-obama

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