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Wednesday, September 28, 2016

Cognitive Deficit: How Budget Cuts Could Prevent Scientific Breakthroughs

Cognitive Deficit: How Budget Cuts Could Prevent Scientific Breakthroughs

America has been the world leader in scientific research for decades, but we risk falling behind if we don’t continue to fund groundbreaking projects.

The United States is the most religious country in the Western world, but it took a team of European heathens to prove the existence of God. On Wednesday, researchers in Geneva announced that they had discovered a new subatomic particle that they have not yet fully identified but they believe could be the Higgs boson, the so-called “God particle.” The Higgs boson is the manifestation of an invisible omnipresent force that is thought to be responsible for the existence of all physical mass in the universe. In layman’s terms, it’s the reason you’re a flesh and blood human being instead of a cloud of energy floating through space. So, you know, no big deal. But why is this groundbreaking discovery coming from Switzerland instead of the United States, which has long prided itself on being the world leader in scientific research (and pretty much everything else)? The answer, as it so often does, comes down to politics.

The Higgs boson was discovered through the use of a Large Hadron Collider, which is a 17-mile-long machine built to smash charged subatomic particles together so hard that they unlock the secrets of the universe. As you might imagine from the description, it comes with a hefty price tag: it cost the European Organization for Nuclear Research $10 billion to construct. As physicist Steven Weinberg points out in an essay flagged by Wonkblog’s Brad Plumer, American researchers were developing a similar particle accelerator in the 1980s until Congress cut their funding due to concerns about cost overruns. Plumer notes that “the United States could have had solid bragging rights for the Higgs, but Congress didn’t want to pay for a $10 billion particle accelerator after the Cold War ended.” Beating the Soviet Union to the moon was a national priority; beating Switzerland to God, not so much.

The Higgs boson isn’t just one missed opportunity – it represents how much the U.S. stands to lose if we don’t give our scientists the support they need. The Congress of the early ’90s might have pulled the plug on a $10 billion particle accelerator, but it’s hard to imagine today’s Congress even contemplating such a project when attempts to fund basics like unemployment insurance and infrastructure repair result in partisan gridlock. Paul Basken of The Chronicle of Higher Education points out that thanks to President Obama’s push for funding, “scientific research has enjoyed relatively strong support as Republicans have pressed for deep cuts in federal spending over all.” But as Fareed Zakaria notes, federal funding for research and development has fallen by over 50 percent as a percentage of GDP since the 1970s, and science agencies stand to lose 8 percent of their funding next year if the automatic cuts triggered by the Super Committee’s failure are implemented.

A lot of scientific research provides an easy target for deficit hawks, who start with the facile premise that the government should manage its finances like a household and conclude that we shouldn’t waste money on Junior’s weird science projects when a baking soda volcano will do. Senator John McCain is particularly fond of cracking jokes about obscure and esoteric research grants like “$700 million to study moth pheromone” or “three million to study the DNA of bears in Montana.”

  • The sad truth is that we are falling behind. While the rest of the world, especially other industrialized nations, are investing in infrastructure, modernization, new energy sources, and R&D, the debate in the USA is about how much government spending should we cut so that we can avoid paying for the things we need and have enough money to buy the latest video game, cell phone or iPOD made in China. The rate of American citizens graduating with hard science degrees is tiny compared to those in China, India and Western Europe. If it wasn’t for the fact that about 1 million foreign professionals have been entering the USA every year with an H1B or H2B visa we would have been history by now. Countries can not rely on military power alone to maintain their privileged position in the world, the Romans, the Spanish, the British and other former superpowers tried it and they did not last long. Unless we get our finances in order, invest in infrastructure, modernization and education, and start paying for the things our country needs we are doomed. The problem is not Washington we, the people, are the problem.

    • I Agree Cause In 2010 Some Of We The People Put The Do Nothing Congress The American Taliban In Office!!

      • Mulligatonney

        “The American Taliban”…?

        This is the best you can do to present your point of view?

        Not exactly profound or well substantiated, at the very least.

        • Did You Get My Memo I Don’t Talk To Ass Holes Like You So STFU Talking To Me!! How Profound Was That Koch Brothers Butt Sucker!!

  • Why dont they tell it like it is . Clinton killed the Texas Super Collider because it would have been giving money to a Republican state . He didn’t care if America fell behind . Hell he was giving away our missle guidance technology to China for Chins’a Space Program hahahah. Think that tech ended up on Rockets or ICBM’s ? The Democrats also killed the possible expansion of FERMI lab which would have made better sense then Texas as FERMI lab would have just needed to be enlarged . In todays world Obama has ended NASA and turned that agency into a Muslim outreach …sweet

  • Thanks to the eight disasterous years of the Bush / Cheney administration.

    • Mulligatonney

      Mr. Dancer’s comment is amazing… And that of grotherman about the right’s attack on education… And the “war” on women, homosexuals, minorities, etc… etc… So – you really think the “right” hates education and wants to keep everyone stupid? I actually think that is the goal of our present government… Hear me out…

      Is a 15 to 20 trillion dollar debt (actually it is much more, if full tally is done) at least some sort of indication that the government is spending too much?

      What is your basis for blaming one Administration for the staggering debt America is in?

      Either you agree that this country is spending too much or you do not. If you agree, then pray let me know where the cuts are to be made so I can pass this on to the president. If you do not agree that the government is spending too much money and enough people truly think that way, then we are facing the same scenario that took down Argentina… economic failure mostly due to disregard of sound fiscal policies.

      Private education is doing very well. It is the public education system that is failing. Ask yourself, if you are able, in very non-partisan way – why? This is an important question, because you are about to place your health care into the hands of the same entity that is presently running the public school system.

      The Constitution is a damn fine document – if we would just follow it. Limited government power and intrusion due to man’s inherent corruption. Individual liberty. Pretty simple.

      Now the education system can seize your children permanently if they disagree with the way you discipline them… along with thousands of other things that are not at all pertinent to a good education. That’s what you get when you put the government in charge.

      Add government unions to that mix, and the fate of the educational system is sealed. The fox now bargains with the fox over the fate of the hens…

      And the students run wild, because they know they can. They will rat on their parents and teachers, and the government will punish them. The kids already know this and behave accordingly. They know the government will take their side against their parents and teachers.

      Do you think this is all an accident? That somehow, the educational system just “got” that way?

      Do you think our economy just “got” that way? That our societal morality just “got” that way?

      Think of the irony – you can get put in jail and then on a sex offender’s list for life simply for taking a leak behind a tree if someone sees you, but your children can click the mouse on their computer just once, and be looking at videos of deviant sex acts, or can walk into a clinic without your knowledge and get an abortion or a sexual aid.

      This is happening all across the country in thousands of ways in every area of our lives. The government is reaching into your refrigerator, your bedroom, your vehicle, your very body and soul!

      And we stand by and nod our heads knowingly as we allow them to take our liberty from us a piece at a time because why? Because we really believe the government knows what is best for us individually? Is that really how you think? Or is freedom simply too big a concept for you?

      As soon as we begin voting for limiting the power of the government, we will get our country back. Not before. And if they get too powerful, (and that moment approaches) the game is over. They will not relinquish it.

      Individual Liberty. Limited power and scope of government. Like the Constitution says.

      • Who is more at fault, the Dems. or Repubs.? Or is it our Government in general ? Are we all lost ?

        • Mulligatonney

          Thank you, Bunny…

          Ultimately it is the fault of the American voter, who have allowed themselves to be deceived by both parties into thinking that either one of them is dedicated to their welfare, but if I had to make a choice, I would have to say that the present administration has already shown us what their philosophy and intentions are, and it is not in the interest of fiscal responsibility or individual liberty as outlined in our Constitution.

          The founders knew well the corrupt nature of men, (read Federalist Paper 51 by James Madison), knew from history that all similar governments eventually became corrupt and as a result took great pains to design our government into one that was very limited in power and scope and balanced the powers as well as they could anticipate. Over the years, ambitious, wealthy and greedy men have manipulated our politicians into evolving a Federal Government far greater in scope and power than what it was intended to be. Many of those corrupt men were and are the politicians themselves.

          Government now begins to dictate to the people instead of the people to the government.

          So the answer, to be fair – is neither Republican or Democrat is at fault. Both of them are. They are like two football teams playing for the same owner. The owner doesn’t really care at this point who wins, because the real winner is the owner. The rest is pure deception. At present, it seems the Democrats have found the Achilles heel of all “democratic” style governments of the past. They have learned that they can bribe their own constituents with their own money in return for their votes. This is particularly dangerous, because under this strategy, an already bloated government now begins to grow exponentially, which is a formula for a train wreck somewhere down the line.

          We can still “vote the bastards out”, if you will excuse the expression. My voting strategy is as follows, without much deviation from one election to another. 1) ALWAYS cast your vote against the guy who has already lied to you. 2) Vote for the guy who has the best chance to bring government back to founding principles and the Constitution – a government limited in power and reach, which is the very best chance for us to maintain our Liberty and freedom.

          At present, we are staring George Orwell’s 1984 right in the face… The government is declaring itself the new god. And given the choice, I would much rather have the old One…

          Don’t despair Bunny – there is still time. But we have to shake off our slumber and vote for – fiscal sanity. If our economy topples, most of the other “important issues” will no longer require discussion. They will simply not exist.

          So – following my prime directive, I will definitely not vote for the guy who promised to cut 3 trillion by his 3rd year in office, has instead plunged us 5 trillion more into debt, has not submitted a single budget to Congress for his entire time in office, has not introduced a single, meaningful piece of legislation to address our debt, or displayed any intent whatsoever of how he plans to address it in the future. But, he does plan to go forward with his 1.5 trillion dollar, 2,700 page health care bill.

          Employing his own “Hope and Change” mandate, you almost have to give somebody else a chance. Anybody else.

          Nice talking with you,

          Mulligatonney

          • Yes , we do vote for the President, but we don’t elect the President. Do you feel this also gives our Government too much control? I don’t trust the Electoral College esp. after 2000. Also, the Republicans have done their share of lying too. I feel it’s a tie. If we voted the bastards out, all we would have to start new Parties. Also, I am still waiting for the new jobs the Repubs. promised us since the Very wealthy and large corporations have been getting their special tax cuts.

      • DurdyDawg

        Simply because the GOP wants to come back and do it again.. No one in their right minds would attempt (no!) assert that they will cut ALL programs that has to do with the poor, the disabled and the aged while increasing military spending and resuming tax breaks for the wealthy.. Yet the GOP said this and that’s EXACTLY what they will do if they gain full control again, starting with Obamacare. Now, deny THAT if you can. Once Mittens and his”Bush” ilk get in, we won’t have to worry about them taking our freedoms away.. They’ll take our livelihood from us making any freedom irrelevant. The true reason there’s so many people on welfare, food stamps and unemployment has to do with the situation in our Country and not because their low life moochers. Once the Country rebounds, the majority of these folks will be more than willing to get off these poverty programs THEN we can weed out the users and fraudsters. Your party wants to eliminate these programs for all in order to punish the few. Maybe Obama isn’t for the people, but it sure as hell has been determined that Romney doesn’t give a squat for sure.. Or is it instead political corruption itself? If that’s so then your blaming the wrong person. How can you even believe that the pubs will limit g’ment when their very words indicate that they will eliminate those programs that were placed into law for such situations like what we’re going through now and then re-shuffle big g’ment that will sedate both the wealthy and the warmongers.. Total idiocy.

        • Mulligatonney

          You all are obviously fairly intelligent, but no matter how many times I state that the problem lies with both parties and politicians, big money behind both parties, corruption, ambition and greed in general, you do not seem to be able to grasp that I make no argument for either party. Remember – liberty and government are inversely proportional. When you have more of one, it is a natural consequence that you have less of the other.

          If you do not think that there is big money, old money and rich people behind politicians on either side of the aisle, along with all the other temptations that attract men of ambition, then you do not understand human nature, and there is no possibility for a truthful or meaningful discussion.

          The debt and poor economy is a consequence of bad fiscal discipline. Period. The reason that the debt is so large is that our government has borrowed, printed and spent money that it did not have. Where do you see Republican or Democrat in my statements?

          Our national debt is an artifact of the reality that the government has the power to make those bad fiscal decisions and fund things that it cannot afford. This is across the board. Ambitious, greedy, and rich politicians were exactly what worried our founders. This is precisely why they called government a “necessary evil” – especially Federal Government. They knew that if its power became too great, it would lead to tyranny. And this is exactly the place we have arrived.

          So – once again, my point is what does the American voter do about this? Vote for someone who has not submitted a budget to Congress his entire time in office? Vote for someone who has added 7 trillion dollars to our debt (health care included) after promising to reduce it by 3 trillion by his third year in office? He said himself that if he could not accomplish this, he did not deserve a second term.

          OBama ran on “hope and change”, and promised something different if he were elected. This is why he got elected. Using the very same argument that got him elected, he should not be re-elected, because after all the stimulus and throwing 5 trillion more dollars at the stagnant economy, it remains stagnant.

          To conclude, if he wins re-election, the American voter will have given Washington politicians even more positive reinforcement that they can promise anything they want for your vote, because they can win an election with an empty promise. So – there is no consequence for them to promise us anything they think will get them elected even if they have no intention of following through on it.

          If one wishes to lose themselves in the details and trivia of the upcoming election, it is their right to do so. The facts are that Romney has a history of turning large, failing enterprises into successful concerns. OBama had a history of spending taxpayer’s money with no regard for fiscal discipline. And now he has a PROVEN track record of spending taxpayer’s money with no regard for fiscal discipline – and THAT proves his philosophy as well as his intentions.

          I am simply agreeing with what OBama said in 2008 when he ran for office – Hope and Change.

          And we need to change what we have for what is behind Door Number 3…. Whatever that is, it is not going to be worse that what we have seen in the last 4 years.

          This administration is the worst fiscally in our nation’s 240 year history. That is the truth.

          And that’s just the budget part of the failure.

          • DurdyDawg

            For a guy who say’s he isn’t taking sides, you certainly feel free to knock down Obama while not giving us a better alternative.. Can you not see that most who are willing to vote Obama back in is because the alternative is even worse? Not that Obama is much better but that (at least) he’s not inclined to take what little hope the hopeless has. Romney certainly would because he made that one of his platform promises. His minions also declared that they would pass no bills that Obama presented in order to oust him, make him look inefficient but it failed because the pubs bragged too much about what they would do. I’m certain if the GOP had chosen someone who was more capable.. More sympathetic toward the peoples wishes, there would be no contest but as it is, we’re given a terrible dilemma and the GOP is relying on the “Anybody but Obama” rally call. Well, in my opinion Mittens won’t be an asset except to his special friends.. As for the rest of us> In his own words, “We’ll deal with that AFTER I’m elected” How so? Blatant lie or is it nothing once he’s in? You can say what you want but I’m not going to rally around a party that cares nothing for me and my friends and the needy.. You call it welfare and view them as moochers that are sucking your tax money.. I call it the signs of the times where those in need should be cared for until this cloud lightens up and incidentally, those tax monies would not be saved, only re-scheduled toward more war effort or greater tax breaks for the wealthy. . In short, it would be set toward corporate and governmental welfare instead.. Don’t believe me? It doesn’t matter.. I know the inner workings of man, I don’t need you to affirm my beliefs. I would rather not vote anyone in until the parties offered reasonable candidates but since they aren’t about to do that then I vote NOT screwing those who are barely surviving above those who don’t give a shit.

          • Mulligatonney

            I am not knocking OBama down. I am simply presenting facts.

            OBama has knocked himself down. With his own record.

            I do agree with one thing you said, however:

            1) It is puzzling why the American voter is being given so little to choose from – and I do think Romney and OBama are evidence of that. It is possible that there so many special interests “out there” at present that it renders it almost impossible to be “one’s own man” anymore.

            But having stated that, a better economy will help everyone, and it is clear that the present administration’s approach is only plunging the country further into debt – a debt that will topple the economy soon if left unchecked.

            Further, it is illogical to give any president with such a dismal track record another 4 years. Whether OBama is merely inept and ineffectual or an ideologue deliberately “taking the country down a notch or two” is not clear, and really doesn’t matter. The promises he made are clearly ones that were only designed to get himself elected. That makes him a proven liar. As most politicians are.

            Romney has a proven track record of taking failing financial institutions and restoring them to profitable enterprises. It is only logical to throw the known liar out and give the new guy a chance.

            That’s what happened in 2008 – America gave the new guy a chance. And the results have been disastrous.

            And don’t make the mistake of thinking that OBama cares for you more than any other garden variety politician. Of course that is not true.

            Politicians lie.

            That sir, is a fact also.

            Results – not promises, are the things a president should be judged for.

            Did OBama do what he promised he was going to do in 2008?

            He did not.

          • DurdyDawg

            Although I feel my arguments are just as justifiable as yours.. That Romney isn’t going to accomplish any more than Obama (predominately because of the house and congress) I really have no ‘favorites’.. I think those (not naming names) who believe Romney will do a better job is being fooled just as others were with Obama. That said, though I will not vote Rep. I will accept AND honor the title of President of the United States (as I have thus far). I will no longer argue my case if Romney get’s in. I (we) really have little clout in who will be ‘in’ because there’s just too many voters to determine that prediction. I do know that a landslide is out of the question and that Romney will be forced to reveal what he has been hiding (saying once he’s elected he will come clean) in the coming debates and that he will be forced to back up any accusations with fact just as Obama will concerning Romney (past record in print). This ‘mud slinging’ in my opinion is not in the interest of the Country yet every politician has followed this course for generations. I agree with you that neither is prime choice but if one were, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion. If Romney gets in then I will look forward to him taking the opportunity to actually better our situation.. I’ve heard it before from pubs but never witnessed any progress related to the middle and poor classes.. The Dems may be just as corrupt as what I think the Pubs are but the bones they toss to the common citizen far outweighs the ‘trickle down’ we’ve received from the Pubs. Though not unique, this election will be a war of words, mud slinging and innuendos (from both sides) this I can not tolerate because I will not vote for the candidate who has the least amount of dirt as the issues should be discussed and not shots of eating dog or toting pets on vehicle tops. This (mud slinging) is where I disagree with both parties, then there’s the money factor.. The so-called super-pacs.. An entity that absolutely does not have any business being involved, especially anonymously. But we allow it thus have no say as to how many millions are raised (by many or few) in order to manipulate the media in spewing exaggerated accusations, of a true nature but often focused on one word or phrase instead of the entire message. Bottom line: I will be honored to congratulate you and the party you represent if Romney wins.. I will focus on the future and give him a chance with (little or) no criticism and I will contact any and all Dem representatives and demand they explain themselves if it seems their trying to jeopardize the progress of the new administration BUT if the wheels roll the other way, I will expect no less from the other side.. This election is going to be a turning point in the way Americans view themselves and our Country.. We MUST join forces regardless who’s in the W.H. so that we will not be destroyed by our own ignorant aggressions. In these times when the employment is dire and households can not put food on the table, it’s necessary to hand out alms in order to keep our peoples healthy up and until things improve so that these “moochers?” will gladly get off the poverty lines and once again contribute to the progress of their Country.. I do not know why the opposition can’t comprehend this.. Billions are being allocated to other countries (even enemy lines) under these very same conditions yet the GOP and even the majority of citizens who probably have never been in such a position where they could see their family die off without help from our leaders, call them ‘moochers’ and fraudsters and use them as an excuse for the lack of tax dollars that could instead go toward more wars and continued international welfare. Then once the economy bounces back (regardless as who might be at the helm) and the majority of these recipients trade welfare checks for jobs, then we can weed out the frauds and the moochers and put them to cleaning our highways, parks and g’ment buildings.. But to condemn all for the sake of a few is illogical and cruel.. Senior citizens, the sick and needy.. the disabled vets, theses people are our Country’s conscience and thus far we have no tolerance of their (temporary) plight.. For the career recipients, even the opposition is willing to change the situation but not by tossing (even them) into the pits of hell. In conclusion, I personally will accept the results on 11/06/2012 no matter who becomes head clown, I just hope I won’t be alone in my concessions. Thanks for your time.

          • Mulligatonney

            That was well spoken, Mr. Dawg..

            For me, this upcoming election boils down to a proven liar vs. a proven expert at restoring failing companies to fiscal sanity.. And using the same criteria that elected OBama, the new guy should be given a chance…

            You are absolutely right about one thing – the Republicans have let the American people down in the past – after all, they ARE politicians. And this underscores my point that the American voter should be ruthless in throwing those out that make promises they cannot keep or have no intention of keeping just to get elected. The very thing that got OBama elected should be the very thing that gets him thrown out.

            I think every American of average intelligence knew from the beginning that OBama could not possibly accomplish what he promised during his campaign without spending astronomical amounts more of non-existent money. What a paradoxical statement, eh? We knew he was going to have to increase taxes, borrow, and print more money.

            But some of the promises OBama made could have easily been kept with or without Republican opposition – such as the “transparency” in his administration that he promised… Or putting legislation and bills on the internet and television at least 72 hours in advance of the vote so that they could be read prior. (Not that the 2,700-page health care bill could be read, much less understood in that amount of time).

            If you are tired of lying politicians, and think that they exist on both sides of the aisle, then you and I actually agree. But the responsible thing to do is vote them out, whoever they are.

            You said a number of things that are correct.

            1. Mud-slinging and negative campaigning should not be rewarded. (but it “works” – it plays on the fear of the uninformed and ignorant voter, and there are a huge number of them)

            2. Bones to the poor and middle class – the poor are a very complex problem. Government money actually keeps them in their place, and the Democrats have no sincere interest in helping them up and out, because that is where a huge number of their votes come from. Breakdown of families, moral standards and terrible education add to the problem. Government intrusions and meddling have played a large part in keeping them down. Many of them have become dependent, lazy or unmotivated and brainwashed into thinking that’s the best they can do or lack ambition to do better for themselves. (It’s much easier to watch TV and take welfare, food stamps, unemployment, etc.). This is a generalization, I know – but has a basis in truth. And these people vote. They have been placed on a vicious merry-go-round. And by whom? The government. They are being cultivated like a crop for their votes.

            3. International welfare and aid to foreign countries. You are absolutely correct. The bulk of the money never makes it to its intended destination, anyway. Europe should be paying rent for our military protection, and the rules for foreign aid should be reformed.

            And yes – I am a limited Federal Government kinda guy. But so were our founders. The understanding that ALL politicians are corrupt liars is the basis for why the Constitution was written the way it was written.

            A constantly expanding Federal Government is the very reason we are in the economic situation we are in. This was our founder’s worst fear, and very well may have been the only thing that had the potential to take the republic down.

            No need to congratulate me if Romney wins – the only thing that matters to me is that he does what he says. If he is elected and does not keep his promises, I will be voting to throw him out in 2016.

            I believe that is the very best way to return the government to the people.

          • DurdyDawg

            Thanks for a more intelligent response Mulligatonny (it’s very rare on any political forum). Let’s see.. I agree with your argument but I’m a bit antsie with Romney, not because he’s a Pub as I lean toward Ind. and view the major parties equally (except where helping the people of the nation goes). For instance, giving the Pubs another chance when the last administration really reamed us, now we have another capitalist wanting to do what the last one either dreamed of doing or never had the opportunity in the first place. You refer Romney to, “a proven expert at restoring failing companies to fiscal sanity” when in his restoration he took down the most important argument all Dems recognize, the worker in order to gain corporate profit (good deal for the CEO but disastrous for the laborer and his/her pensions). Plus his open declaration of eliminating civil welfare while coveting (if not expanding) both corporate as well as military welfare (why do we need to make billion dollar flying machines?).
            We know what this toad’s focus is on because he’s already declared it to everyone, making those who have never had to seek aid from others, who do not understand the need very happy while condemning those in need to fend for themselves in an economy that has nothing to offer them.. In the long term this may work but it will leave bodies of those with no hope in it’s wake. I have been there.. I never sought welfare because I didn’t want to be anybody’s bitch but I certainly understand those who were (are) less proud then myself. A simple program to put these people to work (in public sector) is far better than cutting off their life line.. Do you have any idea how many will turn to crime in order to feed their loved ones? I do and I suppose the secret camps were created for such an inevitable scenario (deemed domestic terrorists). A lot of progress by Obama has been blatantly squelched by the T-peers and the GOP (as they declared they would) Do you honestly think the opposition will not do the same BS if a Pub gains office? It’ll be the same old delays with different faces. If only the GOP and especially Romney would compromise just a bit over this (elimination of all Obama’s bills) then maybe those Dems who are not on welfare and who are disenchanted with the present administration would lean toward him, after all they have suffered as well and the welfare roster is nowhere near enough to turn the tide. But they heard him, they know their brothers in arms will become destitute, turning into rabid monsters because their leaders have cut them off completely and for what? Certainly not to balance any budget but to make more opportunities to expand wars and special privileges for the wealthy (even the well-off will be affected because there will be no more poor to bully and middle America will drop into this level though they will not turn rabid (immediately) creating a “Kings and Paupers” NWO. I may be exaggerating a bit but if you look at it, that’s exactly what Romney and the GOP are giddily trying to create.. To them it’s “life for the fittest” and they equate their fitness to their wealth.
            On the other hand, Obama keeps trying to be re-elected in the same manner that he got elected in the first place.. You know this, WE know this.. Everybody knows this. Thing is, if we change lanes.. If we do one of Romney’s 180° and it turns sour, we’ll have four more years of destruction and because their war like, more added to the deficit through credit from the fed reserve who makes money out of thin air.. The Dems are cautious, they still carry the scars of the Bush years and are afraid with Romney the scars will fester and become malignant. I’m sure Romney and the GOP would have had a good chance to over throw the current administration but not with the philosophy they intend to administer to millions of welfare recipients, the unemployed. the health care and yes even the elderly (right now the criminal element is salivating over the trillions waiting to pluck once the Pubs dissolve social security as we know it). I’m all for a ‘real’ change but not in the way the Pubs intend to change our nation into. So, I’m still not (fully) convinced that Mittens will be our next salvation because he doesn’t even have a plan.. Trying to con the voter into electing him THEN he will reveal his intentions.. Too late to find out we’re about to become the “United Corporation of America”. And the alternative? The belief that you and the opposition deem Obama as a destructive force?? In that case we’re all screwed because although the have their own idea of destruction for this Nation, it’s still destruction and no voting, no demands to representatives who are a part of the political whole will make any difference.. We are all screwed because we didn’t keep our house clean, we allowed our enemies to clean it for us.. Too sad. I don’t know Mull, I respect your beliefs, your intention but there are too many cracks on both sides.. Let’s just cross our fingers, vote our choice and pray the final result won’t be our epitaph.. Peace, my fellow American.

          • Mulligatonney

            Having read OBama’s “memoirs” and other writings and studying his history (the people he associated with, his mentors, etc…), I believe the country is headed straight in the direction he wants it to go.

            His fathers were communist, his mother was a communist, his grandparents were communists, his mentor Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist – his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, is an avid America-hater… A host of radical college professors and American domestic terrorists are all lined up in his history for all to see…

            And the evidence of his philosophy is becoming apparent in the consequences this country is beginning to realize. As I said before – this is not an accident. From his promise of a 3 trillion dollar spending cut to an actual 5 trillion dollar spending spree plus another 2 trillion in OBamacare, combined with his refusal to even submit a budget to Congress for his entire time in office – how can that be an accident?

            More people need to wake up to this fact.

            Do me a favor – if you want to know where this recession really started, look up the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. This is where the slide really began – during the Carter Administration.

            God Bless, Dawg…

          • DurdyDawg

            As you indicate, Mull.. We’re between a rock and a hard place.. Obama’s own words implicating him in a potential takeover and in Romney’s own words….. Wait a minute! He won’t reveal them until AFTER he becomes POTUS. I’m not trying to addle you, I’m just looking beyond the fluff as you’ve gone beyond Obama’s intention. Neither are deserving! But what choice do we have when it’s left up to gangsters to choose the choices for us? Recessions have happened throughout our history, mostly in an effort to eradicate the once numerous classes that were around but which has now resulted into three (and now one of them is in jeopardy). You say, “Give Romney his chance” I say it won’t be any better choice (especially for the average citizen) but if that’s to happen then we all must (should) accept it, stop bitching about something we can’t control, and begin working for the betterment of our great Nation. Thanks for your time.

      • Mullig……..I believe there was a surplus when bush/cheney took over. And then there’s that small matter of wallstreet, making rather poor choices then betting (financially) that they will lose, (could you see a slight need for more regulation/larger government?). Or perhaps when your children get salmonella (smaller govt/FDA regulations). Why do the republicans hate big govt? But big military is OK….. One only needs to look at the graph of wages/Union membership/wealth to see WHERE the problem lies…but…alas…..that requires education….and it appears roughly half of the Country is truly lacking in some sort of critical thinking skills, or perhaps merely cause and effect relationships.

    • And Don’t Forget Our Do Nothing But Blocking Congress We Have In Office NOW!!

  • Lee_Dimin

    We’d do a lot better spending $10 billion to end p0verty throuighout the world that to look for and claim the discovery of a “God particle”, encouraging more religious fruitcakes to spend billi0ons more to find more and more “God particles” in the centuries ahead with false “scientific claims. Whjy is it, only the human has a need to believe there is a God, and is yet the worst example of that called “godliness” of all the animal species of the world? When science succumbs to religion, science dies, because science requires solid proof, religionj requires “faith” , a non-descript mental creation.

    • mah101

      No one but the media calls it the “god particle”. It’s the Higgs boson and it represents a major discovery and confirmation of the Standard Model in physics. It is a big deal, and a discovery that could have been made here many years ago had Congress not cut the funding.

      • montanabill

        Conjecture on your part. We had nothing anywhere near the size of the LHC.

    • SirWilliam13

      Although I don’t disagree with your general sentiments, I have to call you out on one of your statements. How do you know that no other animal species has a need to believe there is a God? Did you ask them? Has a representative from each of the animal species told you that they don’t need to believe in God? I think that you don’t know and that this statement was just a manufactured fact on your part to justify your reasoning. I think that you may or may not believe in God, but just your capitalization of the word “God” indicates that you are not going to take any chances.

      • Lee_Dimin

        My capitalization of the word “God” is out of respect to those who do believe in theism. I am, as you have indicated an Athiest, and believe religions were started by a few to control the masses of unintelligent, but that doesn’t mean I do not respect the rights of others to their beliefs, as long as those beliefs are not imposed upon me. It is called mutual respect. I am now 92 years of age and the fear of taking chances has long been gone from my thinking. In thoxse many years of my long life, never have I ever taken any action that would have caused mental or physical harms to any other human, other than a short period of time I served in the military of this great United States of America in WW II. I have never looked for that which has divided people, but always seeked a common ground of civil association among. If more people adopted this method of respect, perhaps one day there will be an end to all war, bigotry and hostility.

    • montanabill

      Dim, we have spent well over $10 billion to end poverty. In fact, how about $8 trillion! How have we done so far?
      The author was also dim. Finding the Higgs boson did absolutely nothing to prove or disprove the existence of God. It was simply another step toward our understanding of our environment.

  • When you are getting you brain’s (what’s left of them) zapped by constant mind numbing adverts on a daily basis is it any wonder the thinking ability of most Americans is on the decline? Wake up and smell the coffee before it’s too late. I’m a Scot but dad was from Toledo so I should be pro USA. Sadly I’m not.

  • Where We Was Once One Top Now We Are Dropping Fast Let Thank Our American Taliban For The Fall In Everything Cause With Them Screwing With Budget Cuts That Is Downsizing Teachers And Schools, Instead Of Paying Their Fair Share Of Taxes, Things Are Only Going To Get Worst!! GOP/Tea Party = The American Taliban Our Very Own Home Grown Terrorists Cells Operating In Plain Sight Lying Is What They Do, Terrorizing People To Get Their Way Is How They Roll!!!:-( While The 1% Get Their Lives Up Scaled And We The 99% Along With America Get Down Sized!!

  • Don’t worry. The ruling elitew of this country are doing fine, as in so many emerging countries. Why do we need to worry about science?

  • 14,000 INCOME CANNOT PAY A 3800 BUDGET
    BUT GOVE HUGE TAX CUTS FOR RICH AND BORROW IT

  • JDAAL

    To say Obama has supported scientific research is the height of folly. Sure plenty of money for windmills, solar panels, geothermal and other junk, but no money for the manned space program, maglev trains, nuclear fuel reprocessing, or fusion research.

    Real science is getting killed, and the Republicans are right on board.

  • grotherman

    The right’s continual attack on education is well documented. When Reagan was governer of California, he gutted the educaton budget causing his state’s ranking as one of the most prominent and sophisticated edcuation systems in the world to plummet–why did he do it? Reagan loathed the idea of free thinking liberal teachers, saw schools as foundries of communism and descent and despised the fact that poor but smart Hispanics and Blacks could get a free education on the backs of tax payers.
    And now, we see the right attacking Pel grants and other forms of education funding as they work to pull state and federal college funding sending tuition rates sky-rocketing. Next time your kid graduates from college owing 40-50-60K in loans, be sure to run to the ballot box and vote for another conservative knuckle dragger.

    • Mulligatonney

      Mr. Dancer’s comment is amazing… And that of grotherman about the right’s attack on education… And the “war” on women, homosexuals, minorities, etc… etc… So – you really think the “right” hates education and wants to keep everyone stupid? I actually think that is the goal of our present government… Hear me out…

      Is a 15 to 20 trillion dollar debt (actually it is much more, if full tally is done) at least some sort of indication that the government is spending too much?

      What is your basis for blaming one Administration for the staggering debt America is in?

      Either you agree that this country is spending too much or you do not. If you agree, then pray let me know where the cuts are to be made so I can pass this on to the president. If you do not agree that the government is spending too much money and enough people truly think that way, then we are facing the same scenario that took down Argentina… economic failure mostly due to disregard of sound fiscal policies.

      Private education is doing very well. It is the public education system that is failing. Ask yourself, if you are able, in very non-partisan way – why? This is an important question, because you are about to place your health care into the hands of the same entity that is presently running the public school system.

      The Constitution is a damn fine document – if we would just follow it. Limited government power and intrusion due to man’s inherent corruption. Individual liberty. Pretty simple.

      Now the education system can seize your children permanently if they disagree with the way you discipline them… along with thousands of other things that are not at all pertinent to a good education. That’s what you get when you put the government in charge.

      Add government unions to that mix, and the fate of the educational system is sealed. The fox now bargains with the fox over the fate of the hens…

      And the students run wild, because they know they can. They will rat on their parents and teachers, and the government will punish them. The kids already know this and behave accordingly. They know the government will take their side against their parents and teachers.

      Do you think this is all an accident? That somehow, the educational system just “got” that way?

      Do you think our economy just “got” that way? That our societal morality just “got” that way?

      Think of the irony – you can get put in jail and then on a sex offender’s list for life simply for taking a leak behind a tree if someone sees you, but your children can click the mouse on their computer just once, and be looking at videos of deviant sex acts, or can walk into a clinic without your knowledge and get an abortion or a sexual aid.

      This is happening all across the country in thousands of ways in every area of our lives. The government is reaching into your refrigerator, your bedroom, your vehicle, your very body and soul!

      And we stand by and nod our heads knowingly as we allow them to take our liberty from us a piece at a time because why? Because we really believe the government knows what is best for us individually? Is that really how you think? Or is freedom simply too big a concept for you?

      As soon as we begin voting for limiting the power of the government, we will get our country back. Not before. And if they get too powerful, (and that moment approaches) the game is over. They will not relinquish it.

      Individual Liberty. Limited power and scope of government. Like the Constitution says.

      • grotherman

        Is a 15 to 20 trillion dollar debt (actually it is much more, if full tally is done) at least some sort of indication that the government is spending too much?  The
        debt is a distraction.  REAL problems,
        our educations system, our healthcare, our place in science, math, Science, the lack of control of Wall Street, the shrinking middle class.   These are problems that are real.
        What is your basis for blaming one Administration for the staggering debt America is in?   I never  mentioned the debt.   I made
        the point that Reagan, single handedly destroyed California’s public education system.   You’re getting ahead of
        yourself.  This is really the only
        argument conservatives have.  But as long
        as you brought it up…Glenn Beck said it best. Liberals raise taxes and spend, Republicans cut taxes and spend.  It’s
        one system passed from president to president.  If you look at gross GNP vs deficit, you can see that Reagan, Bush I and II increased the Debt substantially more than Carter and Clinton.  And yes, I blame Reagan for huge tax cuts for the rich and yes, under the same Reagan and Bush’s administrations, and you’ll hate to hear this, but Government grew.

        Either you agree that this country is spending too much or you do not. If you agree, then pray let me know where the cuts are to be made so I can pass this on to the president. If you do not agree that the government is spending too much money and enough people truly think that way, then we are facing the same scenario that took down Argentina… economic failure mostly due to disregard of sound fiscal policies.  Again, conservative speak, black or white, yes or no.  I think we can make the government
        smaller and raise taxes on the wealthy and large corporations.  Funny,  that people have such a limited view of what goes on: they  don’t have a problem with our largest corporations not paying taxes here but paying taxes in Communist China or India an supporting their infrastructure, their education and their healthcare.    The tax rate for the upper income folks and corporate America is lower than it’s been in 50 years. That’s a problem.  Banks not
        loaning money to medium sized companies – that’s a real problem.
        But where would I cut spending? How about
        the military?  Most countries can’t
        afford one air craft carrier  but the US
        has ten and are building more. Big Military, shrinking economy—go look at what happened to the USSR>  We spend more
        on ‘defense’ than the next 47 countries, and 46 of them are our allies. Or, how about taking that austerity
        talk to the medical industry and in particular, the health insurance companies that gouge companies and people alike.    Healthcare chews up 18% of the GDP.   Blue Cross Blue Shield is sitting on a trillion it plays on Wall Street and still tried to jack up rates in California by 40%.   The average cost of an insurance policy is 15K.  Healthcare is hamstringing
        companies, sends jobs overseas and bankrupts millions each year.   This is  much bigger problem than the debt.

        Private education is doing very well. It is the public education system that is failing. Ask yourself, if you are able, in very non-partisan way – why? This is an important question, because you are about to place your health care into the hands of the same entity that is presently running the public school system.  Actually, this is not  true.  Not true at  all.  I come from a family of
        teachers. Private schools pay teachers less than public schools and with few exceptions, the education is not as good.  SAT scores
        and college bound students aren’t as high as good public schools.  Check it out.
        The Constitution is a damn fine document – if we would just follow it. Limited government power and intrusion due to man’s inherent corruption. Individual liberty. Pretty simple.  The Constitution didn’t provide for the FAA, NASA, the DEA or a lot of reasonable and necessary agencies we depend on.  Henry Ford made a damn fine car, but I’m not going to take out the seat belts and air bags  because the original Model T didn’t have them.   We evolved, became a bigger and
        more complicated state.  And if you want
        to live in country with limited or no government, where anything goes, suggest you visit Somalia or Ethiopia where there is no government and everyone is really ‘free.’   I hear Afghanistan can barely man it’s police station.  And did you give a thumbs up to the Patriot act and greater police intrusions to catch criminals?  If you did don’t lecture me on big government pouncing on your individual liberty.

        Now the education system can seize your children permanently if they disagree with the way you discipline them… along with thousands of other things that are not at all pertinent to a good education. That’s what you get when you put the government in charge. There’s a lot I issues I have
        with the public education system, but what is the alternative? Hand it over to the Koch Brother’s and let them do to your kid’s education what health insurance have done to Medicine?   Make
        it profit-based and let the top third drop out, fall farther behind.  No Public education is flawed but the alternative is not an option.

        Add government unions to that mix, and the fate of the educational system is sealed. The fox now bargains with the fox over the fate of the hens…And there are about 300 bad NY teachers not working but getting paid because the unions won’t allow the state to fire them.  It’s out of hand yes. But look at where the highest SAT scores, most degrees, most advanced degrees are.  Let me give you a hint. They aren’t in Louisiana or Alabama, or my own state, Georgia, or any red non-union state.  Where are they? NJ, NY, Massachusetts,
        Connecticut, states that have unions and pay teachers far better and the hard fact is that  there is a correlation
        between better paid teachers and better results.

        And the students run wild, because they know they can. They will rat on their parents and teachers, and the government will punish them. The kids already know this and behave accordingly. They know the government will take their side against their parents and teachers.  You contradict yourself.  Before you say that Unions make teachers too powerful and here you say the kids and the government are too powerful.  Which is it?
        Do you think this is all an accident? That somehow, the educational system just “got” that way?  Education needs work.  I’m in HR and I can tell you for a fact we aren’t pushing math and science.  We used
        to be first, now we’re 26th.

        Do you think our economy just “got” that way? That our societal morality just “got” that way?  96% of the personal wealth went to less than
        3% of the population.  37% of that went
        to 10’000 households.  Overall income for
        middle class Americans is dropping like a stone.  The unemployment rate is not 8.1 percent it’s at least double that.  The government
        counts the underemployed as ‘working.’  But a manager that was making 75K now working at the pottery barn or selling vitamins out of his house in not getting people back to work.  It’s like the coral beds dying.   Eventually you see the whole ecosystem going.  When you have a shrinking middle
        class, you shrink the consumer economy we are so reliant on.  We’ve lost 2 million white collar jobs over seas in the last 10 years and also, 5 million blue collar jobs..   That is a problem worst than the debt.
        And the original founders of this
        country weren’t all that moral.  Some
        of  our best leaders, Washington,
        Lincoln, Kennedy, Eisenhower were hardly religious men.  Jefferson, had a slew of children with his slave girl. Many others had illegitimate children.

        Think of the irony – you can get put in jail and then on a sex offender’s list for life simply for taking a leak behind a tree if someone sees you, but your children can click the mouse on their computer just once, and be looking at videos of deviant sex acts, or can walk into a clinic without your knowledge and get an abortion or a sexual aid.     If your kid is
        looking at porn or getting abortions, I’d look at the environment they  grew up in and the parents.   Morality is taught.
        This is happening all across the country in thousands of ways in every area of our lives. The government is reaching into your refrigerator, your bedroom, your vehicle, your very body and soul!   You can run around with a tinfoil hat and see conspiracies galore, but that stuff rots your brain.

        And we stand by and nod our heads knowingly as we allow them to take our liberty from us a piece at a time because why? Because we really believe the government knows what is best for us individually? Is that really how you think? Or is freedom simply too big a concept for you?  I got it Government is all over our backs.  And who is behind them?  Do you support the ACLU?  Do you like the idea that corporations are people and can influence elections or turn the entirely?  It’s big business and Wall Street you need to be afraid of bud.   They have taken down the
        tort system, our ability to seek damages for wrong committed.  They work our government,  our elected officials and corrupt the process.

        As soon as we begin voting for limiting the power of the government, we will get our country back. Not before. And if they get too powerful, (and that moment approaches) the game is over. They will not relinquish it.   Well, they certainly limited power on Wall Street.  Who is fighting that
        battle?

        Individual Liberty. Limited power and scope of government. Like the Constitution says.

        Mulligatonney wrote, in response to grotherman:
        Mr. Dancer’s comment is amazing… And that of grotherman about the right’s attack on education… And the “war” on women, homosexuals, minorities, etc… etc… So – you really think the “right” hates education and wants to keep everyone stupid? I actually think that is the goal of our present government… Hear me out…
        Is a 15 to 20 trillion dollar debt (actually it is much more, if full tally is done) at least some sort of indication that the government is spending too much?
        What is your basis for blaming one Administration for the staggering debt America is in?
        Either you agree that this country is spending too much or you do not. If you agree, then pray let me know where the cuts are to be made so I can pass this on to the president. If you do not agree that the government is spending too much money and enough people truly think that way, then we are facing the same scenario that took down Argentina… economic failure mostly due to disregard of sound fiscal policies.
        Private education is doing very well. It is the public education system that is failing. Ask yourself, if you are able, in very non-partisan way – why? This is an important question, because you are about to place your health care into the hands of the same entity that is presently running the public school system.
        The Constitution is a damn fine document – if we would just follow it. Limited government power and intrusion due to man’s inherent corruption. Individual liberty. Pretty simple.
        Now the education system can seize your children permanently if they disagree with the way you discipline them… along with thousands of other things that are not at all pertinent to a good education. That’s what you get when you put the government in charge.
        Add government unions to that mix, and the fate of the educational system is sealed. The fox now bargains with the fox over the fate of the hens…
        And the students run wild, because they know they can. They will rat on their parents and teachers, and the government will punish them. The kids already know this and behave accordingly. They know the government will take their side against their parents and teachers.
        Do you think this is all an accident? That somehow, the educational system just “got” that way?
        Do you think our economy just “got” that way? That our societal morality just “got” that way?
        Think of the irony – you can get put in jail and then on a sex offender’s list for life simply for taking a leak behind a tree if someone sees you, but your children can click the mouse on their computer just once, and be looking at videos of deviant sex acts, or can walk into a clinic without your knowledge and get an abortion or a sexual aid.
        This is happening all across the country in thousands of ways in every area of our lives. The government is reaching into your refrigerator, your bedroom, your vehicle, your very body and soul!
        And we stand by and nod our heads knowingly as we allow them to take our liberty from us a piece at a time because why? Because we really believe the government knows what is best for us individually? Is that really how you think? Or is freedom simply too big a concept for you?
        As soon as we begin voting for limiting the power of the government, we will get our country back. Not before. And if they get too powerful, (and that moment approaches) the game is over. They will not relinquish it.
        Individual Liberty. Limited power and scope of government. Like the Constitution says.

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        • I do agree with most of what you say. But I still do not know where or how this change should begin. I do feel the Dems. have more of our best interest in mind. Also, there is no Bipartisanship in this Government! ! ! Not one thread of it ! Everyone seems to be running around chasing the other parties tail, and grabbing as much money as they can ! ! !

  • There are still people out there who are willing to do research for research sake. The problem is who pays for it. A good example is the pharmaceutical industry. Why should they pay for research on better solutions when they can do research that allows them to extend the copyrights they have on their products for more dubious results. (Hey, our drug saved the lives of 5 people in the test group. Don’t worry that it killed 3 of them outright, caused 2 to go insane, and 17 to come down with anthrax.)

  • onedonewong

    What no more funding for why Japanese prostitutes drink so much?? No more funding of gays attraction to sex??? My My maybe the reduced funding will eliminate all the nonsense that passes for intellectual funding

  • labrown69

    Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure babe, that is the story of contemporary Amerika!

  • howa4x

    Making us stupid 2/3 of americans are stupid. They have the collective attention span of a 10 yr old

  • greghilbert

    I think the author unwittingly undermined the case for increased funding to science agencies. The God-particle and “bragging rights” argument was out to lunch. I found myself glad we didn’t blow $10 Billion to acquire them. Just because I agree that tangible benefits arise randomly from pure research, and that developments in one field often find applications in other fields, does not mean there is no room for improvement in the use of tax dollars.

    In contrast to the idea of a gambling crap-shoot with random benefits, for example, there is a clear and urgent need to fund renewable-energy and energy-efficiency R&D. I’d like to see NASA scrapped and it’s scientists and $17.8 Billion budget re-deployed on that imperative.

    While I agree that the “teach the test” strategy of NCLB is a disaster, it does not follow that I should get behind the tired Democratic Party mantra that all will be well if we just spend more on teachers, police, firemen, and infrastructure. And guess what, growth of pay and benefits accorded the university elite have done more to increase the cost of college education than federal or state budget cuts. I’m a progressive hostile to Repub austerity, but I want public service union members to back off the mantra that is increasingly seen as self-serving by independents, and to get behind repeal of corporate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy, for which there is widespread support. And yes, some of the proceeds should go for more science teachers and increased renewable-energy and energy-efficiency R&D.

  • SirWilliam13

    Well said. I can tell by your words that you are a man who deserves great respect and appreciation for you deeds, compassion and long life and I offer you mine. I also tip my hat to you for evading my question and diverting the subject away from your ability to know what the animals are thinking.

  • Mulligatonney

    Well, there you have it… The debt is a “distraction”.

    How can anyone argue with that?

    You are going to find out how “real” the debt is, if the reckless fiscal policies practiced for the last 60 years are allowed to continue much longer. They will topple the economy. You can discern that in a high school economics text.

    This latest slide toward the economic abyss began in 1977 with the passage of the “Community Reinvestment Act, or some such nonsense, which basically forced banks to loan money to people for houses they could not afford. This set up the dominoes. They began to fall in 2007 – 2008. There were many presidents from both parties during that time, and a predominantly democrat Congress. When the dominoes began to fall, they took everything else down with them, including Wall Street, 401Ks, life savings, retirements, homes, etc. etc. The blame rests squarely upon the shoulders of the Federal Government.

    And how would you know that I am a conservative or what I think about corporations? You draw that conclusion from nothing and simultaneously speak of “people who have such a limited view of what goes on”?

    I am someone who believes in the Constitution as it was written. Period. That is not a “conservative” or a “republican” as they are defined today. It is a philosophy of how the people can and must control their government. But if you believe the philosophy and historical genius of our founders is anachronistic, as some of your comments suggest, possibly you could define yourself. If Big Government and Liberty are inversely proportional, just how safe do you want to be? What are you? A Democrat? A Liberal? You aren’t stupid – possibly misguided, but you seem to show a genuine interest in getting at the truth.

    And – of course the Patriot Act is unconstitutional. So is the health care act that was just shoved through the Congress and the Supreme Court.

    As I said before – The Federal Government is the biggest issue. This is exactly what our founders spoke of when they called it a “necessary evil”. They have the power to regulate interstate commerce and the power to tax. Why then, do they not regulate the big corporations and simplify the tax codes so that there is no dodging for anyone? Why do they not propose a balanced budget amendment? Why do they exempt themselves from the very healthcare mandate they impose upon the people? Why do they vote themselves raises each year by not voting? Could it be that the power behind the politicians has the people and the politicians right where it wants them? Arguing over things they have no control over while they steal us blind? Like two football teams with their associated fans playing for the same owner. What’s the difference what the name of the team is? The fans root for their team and call each other names, but the owner makes the money regardless.

    The people still have the power to vote out the liars and thieves, but eventually they will not. Of course men, and therefore politicians, are corrupt. That’s exactly why we must limit the power of the government they control. Term limits. Balanced Budget Amendments. Voting every politician out who fails to keep their promises.

    As for morality – men are “sinners”, yes? Corrupt? The point was not to declare our founders moral or perfect, it was to underscore the fact that we used to have a higher STANDARD. Now we find it far too easy to call abortion a “reproductive right” and pornography “free speech” and taking taxpayer dollars as something we are “entitled” to without producing anything, etc. etc. We call homosexuality “gay”… we even call socialists “progressives”… NAMBLA is allowed to operate with impunity under “free speech”. People in our society have learned that if they want to do something immoral, all they have to do is call it something else that sounds a lot less “sinful” or “sinister”. Moral Relativism. We have managed to blur the lines between right and wrong to the extent that many of us do not really know one from the other. Even our speech is in decline, where the “F” word is used as a substitute for noun, verb and adjective. Over half of our families are broken and fatherless children have no foundation, while the government encourages unwed, ignorant mothers to crank out more children and offers free contraception and abortions.

    Moral decline accompanies economic decline.

    You make my point for me, sir…

    Government involvement in a limited way – is necessary, especially to mitigate conflict between the States and carry on foreign affairs and to provide for the defense of our country. Now it is becoming more important to hold monopolies and large corporations in check, yes.

    But – what the government has become is unconstitutional. And dangerous to our Liberty.

  • bigspender7

    Republicans are turning the US into a second class country.

  • It is a question of priorities. Do we want to fight wars, combat poverty, develope clean renewable energy sources, learn about the Champaign Bottle Boson (also called the “God particle,”) and other supposed scientific breakthroughs, or do a combination of the above?

    It is difficult to get an agreement on priorities. Right now, it seems as if the military-industrial-financial complex has made up our minds for us. They have agreed that greed is the answer. They have used the false flags of 9/11 and the anthrax attacks as an excuse to launch “preemptive strikes” at countries who had nothing to do with 9/11 or the anthrax scare since they were actually perpetrated by themselves. These wars which may soon be expanded to include Syria and Iran are for lucrative war profiteering and to further monopolistic control of filthy fossil fuel resources.

    In my opinion, our priorities should be to combat poverty, in part through education, and in part through the development of alternative, renewable energy sources which would employ many and free up the funds now dedicated to avoidable, wasteful, barbaric wars for control of the aforementioned filthy fossil fuels resources.

  • grotherman

    Is a 15 to 20 trillion dollar debt (actually it is much more, if full tally is done) at least some sort of indication that the government is spending too much? The debt is a distraction. REAL problems, our educations system, our healthcare, our place in science, math, Science, the lack of control of Wall Street, the shrinking middle class. These are problems that are real.

    What is your basis for blaming one Administration for the staggering debt America is in? I never mentioned the debt. I made the point that Reagan, single handedly destroyed California’s public education system. You’re getting ahead of yourself. This is really the only argument conservatives have. But as long as you brought it up…Glenn Beck said it best. Liberals raise taxes and spend, Republicans cut taxes and spend. It’s one system passed from president to president. If you look at gross GNP vs deficit, you can see that Reagan, Bush I and II increased the Debt substantially more than Carter and Clinton. And yes, I blame Reagan for huge tax cuts for the rich and yes, under the same Reagan and Bush’s administrations, and you’ll hate to hear this, but Government grew.

    Either you agree that this country is spending too much or you do not. If you agree, then pray let me know where the cuts are to be made so I can pass this on to the president. If you do not agree that the government is spending too much money and enough people truly think that way, then we are facing the same scenario that took down Argentina… economic failure mostly due to disregard of sound fiscal policies. Again, conservative speak, black or white, yes or no. I think we can make the government smaller and raise taxes on the wealthy and large corporations. Funny, that people have such a limited view of what goes on: they don’t have a problem with our largest corporations not paying taxes here but paying taxes in Communist China or India an supporting their infrastructure, their education and their healthcare. The tax rate for the upper income folks and corporate America is lower than it’s been in 50 years. That’s a problem. Banks not loaning money to medium sized companies – that’s a real problem.

    But where would I cut spending? How about the military? Most countries can’t afford one air craft carrier but the US has ten and are building more. Big Military, shrinking economy—go look at what happened to the USSR> We spend more on ‘defense’ than the next 47 countries, and 46 of them are our allies.

    Or, how about taking that austerity talk to the medical industry and in particular, the health insurance companies that gouge companies and people alike. Healthcare chews up 18% of the GDP. Blue Cross Blue Shield is sitting on a trillion it plays on Wall Street and still tried to jack up rates in California by 40%. The average cost of an insurance policy is 15K. Healthcare is hamstringing companies, sends jobs overseas and bankrupts millions each year. This is much bigger problem than the debt.

    Private education is doing very well. It is the public education system that is failing. Ask yourself, if you are able, in very non-partisan way – why? This is an important question, because you are about to place your health care into the hands of the same entity that is presently running the public school system. Actually, this is not true. Not true at all. I come from a family of teachers. Private schools pay teachers less than public schools and with few exceptions, the education is not as good. SAT scores and college bound students aren’t as high as good public schools. Check it out.

    The Constitution is a damn fine document – if we would just follow it. Limited government power and intrusion due to man’s inherent corruption. Individual liberty. Pretty simple. The Constitution didn’t provide for the FAA, NASA, the DEA or a lot of reasonable and necessary agencies we depend on. Henry Ford made a damn fine car, but I’m not going to take out the seat belts and air bags because the original Model T didn’t have them. We evolved, became a bigger and more complicated state. And if you want to live in country with limited or no government, where anything goes, suggest you visit Somalia or Ethiopia where there is no government and everyone is really ‘free.’ I hear Afghanistan can barely man it’s police station. And did you give a thumbs up to the Patriot act and greater police intrusions to catch criminals? If you did don’t lecture me on big government pouncing on your individual liberty.

    Now the education system can seize your children permanently if they disagree with the way you discipline them… along with thousands of other things that are not at all pertinent to a good education. That’s what you get when you put the government in charge. There’s a lot I issues I have with the public education system, but what is the alternative? Hand it over to the Koch Brother’s and let them do to your kid’s education what health insurance have done to Medicine? Make it profit-based and let the top third drop out, fall farther behind. No Public education is flawed but the alternative is not an option.

    Add government unions to that mix, and the fate of the educational system is sealed. The fox now bargains with the fox over the fate of the hens…And there are about 300 bad NY teachers not working but getting paid because the unions won’t allow the state to fire them. It’s out of hand yes. But look at where the highest SAT scores, most degrees, most advanced degrees are. Let me give you a hint. They aren’t in Louisiana or Alabama, or my own state, Georgia, or any red non-union state. Where are they? NJ, NY, Massachusetts, Connecticut, states that have unions and pay teachers far better and the hard fact is that there is a correlation between better paid teachers and better results.

    And the students run wild, because they know they can. They will rat on their parents and teachers, and the government will punish them. The kids already know this and behave accordingly. They know the government will take their side against their parents and teachers. You contradict yourself. Before you say that Unions make teachers too powerful and here you say the kids and the government are too powerful. Which is it?

    Do you think this is all an accident? That somehow, the educational system just “got” that way? Education needs work. I’m in HR and I can tell you for a fact we aren’t pushing math and science. We used to be first, now we’re 26th.

    Do you think our economy just “got” that way? That our societal morality just “got” that way? 96% of the personal wealth went to less than 3% of the population. 37% of that went to 10’000 households. Overall income for middle class Americans is dropping like a stone. The unemployment rate is not 8.1 percent it’s at least double that. The government counts the underemployed as ‘working.’ But a manager that was making 75K now working at the pottery barn or selling vitamins out of his house in not getting people back to work. It’s like the coral beds dying. Eventually you see the whole ecosystem going. When you have a shrinking middle class, you shrink the consumer economy we are so reliant on. We’ve lost 2 million white collar jobs over seas in the last 10 years and also, 5 million blue collar jobs.. That is a problem worst than the debt.

    And the original founders of this country weren’t all that moral. Some of our best leaders, Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy, Eisenhower were hardly religious men. Jefferson, had a slew of children with his slave girl. Many others had illegitimate children.

    Think of the irony – you can get put in jail and then on a sex offender’s list for life simply for taking a leak behind a tree if someone sees you, but your children can click the mouse on their computer just once, and be looking at videos of deviant sex acts, or can walk into a clinic without your knowledge and get an abortion or a sexual aid. If your kid is looking at porn or getting abortions, I’d look at the environment they grew up in and the parents. Morality is taught.

    This is happening all across the country in thousands of ways in every area of our lives. The government is reaching into your refrigerator, your bedroom, your vehicle, your very body and soul! You can run around with a tinfoil hat and see conspiracies galore, but that stuff rots your brain.

    And we stand by and nod our heads knowingly as we allow them to take our liberty from us a piece at a time because why? Because we really believe the government knows what is best for us individually? Is that really how you think? Or is freedom simply too big a concept for you? I got it Government is all over our backs. And who is behind them? Do you support the ACLU? Do you like the idea that corporations are people and can influence elections or turn the entirely? It’s big business and Wall Street you need to be afraid of bud. They have taken down the tort system, our ability to seek damages for wrong committed. They work our government, our elected officials and corrupt the process.

    As soon as we begin voting for limiting the power of the government, we will get our country back. Not before. And if they get too powerful, (and that moment approaches) the game is over. They will not relinquish it. Well, they certainly limited power on Wall Street. Who is fighting that battle?

    Individual Liberty. Limited power and scope of government. Like the Constitution says.

    Mulligatonney wrote, in response to grotherman:

    Mr. Dancer’s comment is amazing… And that of grotherman about the right’s attack on education… And the “war” on women, homosexuals, minorities, etc… etc… So – you really think the “right” hates education and wants to keep everyone stupid? I actually think that is the goal of our present government… Hear me out…

    Is a 15 to 20 trillion dollar debt (actually it is much more, if full tally is done) at least some sort of indication that the government is spending too much?

    What is your basis for blaming one Administration for the staggering debt America is in?

    Either you agree that this country is spending too much or you do not. If you agree, then pray let me know where the cuts are to be made so I can pass this on to the president. If you do not agree that the government is spending too much money and enough people truly think that way, then we are facing the same scenario that took down Argentina… economic failure mostly due to disregard of sound fiscal policies.

    Private education is doing very well. It is the public education system that is failing. Ask yourself, if you are able, in very non-partisan way – why? This is an important question, because you are about to place your health care into the hands of the same entity that is presently running the public school system.

    The Constitution is a damn fine document – if we would just follow it. Limited government power and intrusion due to man’s inherent corruption. Individual liberty. Pretty simple.

    Now the education system can seize your children permanently if they disagree with the way you discipline them… along with thousands of other things that are not at all pertinent to a good education. That’s what you get when you put the government in charge.

    Add government unions to that mix, and the fate of the educational system is sealed. The fox now bargains with the fox over the fate of the hens…

    And the students run wild, because they know they can. They will rat on their parents and teachers, and the government will punish them. The kids already know this and behave accordingly. They know the government will take their side against their parents and teachers.

    Do you think this is all an accident? That somehow, the educational system just “got” that way?

    Do you think our economy just “got” that way? That our societal morality just “got” that way?

    Think of the irony – you can get put in jail and then on a sex offender’s list for life simply for taking a leak behind a tree if someone sees you, but your children can click the mouse on their computer just once, and be looking at videos of deviant sex acts, or can walk into a clinic without your knowledge and get an abortion or a sexual aid.

    This is happening all across the country in thousands of ways in every area of our lives. The government is reaching into your refrigerator, your bedroom, your vehicle, your very body and soul!

    And we stand by and nod our heads knowingly as we allow them to take our liberty from us a piece at a time because why? Because we really believe the government knows what is best for us individually? Is that really how you think? Or is freedom simply too big a concept for you?

    As soon as we begin voting for limiting the power of the government, we will get our country back. Not before. And if they get too powerful, (and that moment approaches) the game is over. They will not relinquish it.

    Individual Liberty. Limited power and scope of government. Like the Constitution says.

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