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Sunday, December 17, 2017

Bernie Sanders is clearly winding down his campaign for the Democratic nomination. In speeches and interviews over the weekend, he started turning his lance away from Hillary Clinton and toward Donald Trump.

Though most of his supporters say they will make the transition to Clinton, a sizable minority — 28 percent, according to a recent poll — insist they will not. Some vow to cast ballots for Trump. The dedicated liberals among them (as opposed to those just along for a populist ride) are being called “dead-enders.”

I feel some of their pain, for I was once considered a dead-ender. The year was 2008. Barack Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination after a grueling contest.

Some Obama bros had subjected Clinton and her female supporters to vile sexist attacks. And it wasn’t just the knuckle draggers. The late Christopher Hitchens called her an “aging and resentful female.”

The caucus and primary results, meanwhile, were a lot closer then than those between Clinton and Sanders.

It all seemed so unfair. Hillary the workhorse had labored at putting together a coherent health reform plan. The glamorous Obama floated by. Political expedience prompted him to oppose an individual mandate — unpopular because it forced everyone to obtain coverage but absolutely essential for universal health care.

I was sore. At the Democratic National Convention in Denver, I spent much time interviewing women still fuming over Clinton’s treatment and unable to support Obama. “Dead-enders,” these Clinton die-hards were called.

A poll in April 2008 had 35 percent of Clinton voters saying they would vote for Republican John McCain if Obama were to be the Democratic nominee. I, too, briefly toyed with the idea. After all, McCain at that time had retained a reputation for moderation. (He would have made a more plausible president than Trump ever will.)

McCain’s choice of the abominable Sarah Palin as his running mate quickly cured the so-called dead-enders of that notion.

And boy, were we wrong about Obama. Obama pulled America from the brink of another Great Depression. He championed the Dodd-Frank finance reforms and oversaw the passage of the Affordable Care Act (individual mandate included). He did it with virtually no Republican support and not a whiff of personal scandal. Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents of our lifetime.

Has Sanders been treated unfairly as the Bernie camp asserts? There may be a valid grievance here and there, such as the scheduling of the debates in a way that benefited Clinton.

But no, the system wasn’t rigged against Sanders. It was in place before his candidacy. And Sanders gained extraordinary access to the infrastructure of a party he never joined.

As the apparent (if unannounced) truce between Clinton and Sanders sinks in, some of his dead-enders will cool down. Sanders surely knows that his movement will have far more influence docked in the Democratic Party than sailing off into third-party oblivion.

One last but important point: Participating in a party primary or caucus in no way obligates one to vote for that party’s eventual nominee. Anyone who genuinely wants a vulgar and unstable authoritarian to lead the nation has every right to vote for Trump.

But those who don’t want Trump — but rather wish to punish Clinton for prevailing over their hero — have things to think about. The country, for starters.

In politics, there’s no building your ideal car. We end up choosing the preferable of two models. Doing something else with one’s vote also affects the outcome.

Frustration can hurt, but it helps to not over-identify with a candidate. To the dead-enders of 2016, peace.

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Photo: Students put up their hands when U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders asks them how many have student debt at a campaign rally at Santa Barbara City College in Santa Barbara, California, U.S. May 28, 2016. REUTERS/Lucy Nicholson

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  2. There are three keys to this election. Obviously, the Presidency is important, but, as we have seen with Republican obstructionism, the President can do only so much without a cooperative Congress. So voting for progressive (or at least Democratic) legislators, at both the state and federal levels, in essential. A Republiczn Congress will vontinue to obstruct a Democratic President. Finally, the next President will nominate probably three Supreme Court justices, and these must not be rightist ideologues, like Scalia, Alito, and the cipher Thomas. So to those who would rather sit out this election or vote for Trump, WAKE UP!!! Vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is, and that goes for all races, not just President.

          • You cannot prove that Hillary is a “lying, thieving, criminal”, so that really makes you the liar.

          • Okay, let’s see… Lying: I landed “under sniper fire” in Bosnia.
            Thieving: When she and Bill left the Whitehouse, they looted about $200,000 dollars of furnishings that they had to return. Guess they thought they still were in Arkansas.
            Criminal: C’mon FBI!

        • Then vote for the that sterling example of honesty and uprightness — Hillary! After all, “At this point, what difference does it make?”.

          • You have fallen for the GOP lies for the last several decades. Pat yourself on the back GOP patsy.

          • Hmm….lies like: “We landed under sniper fire…” or, “We were flat broke when we left the White House.” or, “I never received any classified material on my private server.” I feel so used by the GOP!!!

          • So, yes, those are two examples of right-wing smears that you’ve fallen for.

          • Well, I gave three. But, she never said those things right? That damned vast ‘right-wing conspiracy’ again!

          • Yep…it’s that darned ‘truth’ thing again. Gee, when it comes to Hillary, why can’t we forget all the bad things and “all just get along”!

          • Yes, it’s me that’s having the problems with “thinking cogently”. That must be it.

      • Your belief of Hillary’s “character” and “beliefs” is based on GOP lies. If you are voting for Trump, you do not even know the meaning of the words “character” and “beliefs”. You need to climb down from your high horse before you fall off.

        • My belief regarding Hillary’s “character” and “beliefs” is based upon her conduct the last 25 years. I do know what those words mean. I know with Trump we will be getting an extremely effective businessman — someone who is not an integral part of either party — and, maybe can start to clean that cesspool up.

  3. Those dead-enders ever since haven’t been really Sanders supporters. They were only pretending to be. We have witnessed during primaries, when it was caucuses they showed up in drove, when it was a closed primary they ended up in the wood.

    • Being of the retired age, a lot of my friends who are Hillary supporters could not attend the Kansas caucus due to handicaps and health issues. Some friends had to be out of town. I volunteered at the caucus and saw many many college age going there to have a party (balloons and all). The line for registering Democratic was longer than the line of registered Democrats. I learned one big thing from that 5 hours of volunteer work: Caucuses are as undemocratic as it gets. Only primaries allow party members to vote by multiple means to insure all members have an opportunity to vote (in person, mail, pre-primary day locations). And, my opinion is that only Democrats should cast votes for the Democratic nominee (closed elections). Why should Independents or Republicans have a say in who our nominee is? Makes no sense to me.

      • Considering that only 28% of the electorate are registered Dems it may be wise to include independents when selecting the nominee. The independents will go wherever they feel welcome or they will start their own party. There are now a lot more people who now identify with no party then as either Republicans or Democrats. Independents decide our elections you may not want to push them aside and actually put some value on their opinions and who they plan to vote for. I do agree that we need to completely reevaluate how we select our nominee. A discussion of the role of Superdelegates, caucuses, open vs closed primaries etc will decide whether our party will continue to be a cohesive force in politics moving forward. Our results lately have not been good. Are we going to continue to be the party of establishment politics and elitism?

  4. I have faith that all Sanders supporters will come around as trump is so not acceptable it’s hard to imagine him winning a single state.

  5. Though Sander’s supporters are Liberal, & Trump supporters are moderate or conservative, they have one thing in common; the non-representative Establishment deciding who THEY want. After the Democrat-Socialist Party went for Obama over Hillary, now THEY decided it is Hillary’s turn. As for the Republican Party, they couldn’t stop the anti-Establishment, anti-Washington politician mood of voters either. I believe with all of Hillary’s problems, by screwing Sanders, many of his supporters will either not vote, or vote for Trump.

    • You would like for that to be true, but it is not going to happen. Hilliary will win, Trump, Larry and Larry will be back at work with the mob, and life will continue.

      • Change the name from John, John, because now that his identity has been uncovered we must move to a different name.

    • Funny how the MSM conveniently fails to mention the Debbie Wasserman Schultz was Hillary’s chief campaign advisor in 2008 when she lost to Obama. Yet they keep insisting how impartial the DNC is. Rigged Primary anyone? Funny how the MSM keeps telling us how important it is the Superdelegates follow the will people when nearly 2/3rds of them committed to Hillary nine months before any votes were cast. How could they know the will of the people before any challengers even declared their intent to run? Rigged Primary anyone? With what we have a stake how can we consider putting up a candidate that is under a criminal FBI investigation for putting national security at risk. Rigged Primary anyone?

        • At last. A Hillary supporter who was willing to admit that the primary was rigged in favor of HRC. Thanks for admitting the obvious and explaining how the dem establishment knows what is best for us. How refreshing to see someone on this site actually speak the truth. Thanks jmprint.

          • The primary was rigged… in favour of Sanders. That’s why he’s got way more delegates than his support should have earned him.

          • So you’re trying to convince us that somehow the DNC rigged the primaries in a way that encouraged 3 million more Americans to vote for Hillary than for Bernie?? Exactly how did they do that??

            And in my mind, the candidate who gets the most POPULAR VOTES IN THE PRIMARIES should get the nomination – (I’m not aware that any of the primaries tries to use and Electoral College type system; or any sane person really wants that to happen.)

            So with Hillary holding 3 million more popular votes than Bernie , where do you get off claiming that the primaries have been rigged in Hillary’s favor???

      • “MSM” is a term invented by, and used almost exclusively by, the far right. You know, if you’re even vaguely interested in understanding who is feeding you the garbage you’ve swallowed wholesale.

      • If you’re talking about “rigged primaries’ it’s Bernie who has won the vast majority of those – more than 75% of Bernie’s primary wins have been in caucus states where less than 1-2% of the voters participate – and more than half of those have been in red states, where even Republicans have voted for him in hopes of making Bernie the nominee, knowing that Trump could far more easily totally destroy Bernie’s credibility and qualifications for the Oval Office.

      • Are you aware there clueless that about 90% of the supposed MSM is operated by right-wing biased organizations?? So, that being the case, if there was really something in what your accusing the media off, do you really think right-wing biased organizations wouldn’t have exploited it for A REASON?? Like

      • Are you aware clueless that the organizations that constitute the figmented MSM are BY FAR right-wing biased organizations. So if they totally ignored the situation you’re accusing them off, that they’re probably doing it for a reason?? Or, it’s really just something you Bernie Nuts have concocted.

        What reason might right-wing organizations not want to bring up something they could create another fake scandal against Hillary about?? Unless of course what you’re claiming is the pure HOGWASH that it is???

        See this clueless on the organizations that constitute the majority of the MSM (primarily right-wing biased organizations):

        Six corporations – Time Warner, Disney, News Corporation, Viacom, Comcast, and CBS – control roughly 90% of the media in the U.S.

    • Both Sanders supporters and Republicans like to hear what they want to hear and like to hear what they think will make THEIR lives better. That has been true for a long time. Sanders, an interloper, who has stated on numerous occasions his disdain for the Democratic Party, has not been screwed. If fact, he is screwing the Democratic Party. His “ideas” can be found in Democratic Platforms going back 30 years. He has not accomplished anything in the decades he has been in Congress. Once the college kids gets their free tuition and their good jobs they will turn Republican so they can make sure their earnings are not taken by the evil government.

      And, your statement that “THEY decided it is Hillary’s turn” is disingenuous to say the least. Anyone could have run. They even let a NON-DEMOCRAT run. Sanders in the race proves your statement false.

      Sanders knew the rules when he entered the contest, but he yells he is being “screwed” along with you. He just doesn’t like them so he complains and complains and complains. He was the one who’s team actually took Hillary’s data and he said the same was done to him to deflect which was a bold-face lie.

    • Since losing to Obama, she was Secretary of the State, appropriately so. This is a woman who has everything thrown at her by the GOP for decades and of course continuing, yet she has faced them down, including the hours and hours of the most disgusting and personal attacks by the GOP about Benghazi in yet another investigation by them to get Hillary. But they weren’t able to because she had done nothing wrong in her position. Even the email debacle orchestrated against her by the GOP, necessitating many investigations (again), including an FBI because the GOP want so bad to show that she did something criminal. But she didn’t of course. But they have to prove that they did full investigations, lest the GOP claim that she wasn’t investigated fairly. What a joke! She didn’t do anything illegal but they have to investigate like they would anyone else. Colin Powell and others did the same but the GOP didn’t go after him and his emails

      • Hillary has “everything thrown at her” because she has been involved in many dishonest actions, but they were largely ignored by the Liberal media. The truth is finally coming out, & there wouldn’t be 150 FBI agents on this for nothing. You soon will see the truth.

        • All you and your mindless ilk can bring up is one FAKE SCANDAL against the Clintons after another: ALL OF WHICH have been proven TO BE JUST THAT – FAKE SCANDALS!!!

          • You really have trouble facing reality, only believing what the Leftist media wants you to believe, while ignoring the obvious truths about the anti-American Democrat-Socialist Party. While you are, and always will be, a Dummy!

          • Really?? Produce some links to non right-wing sites that substantiate even one of the fake scandals the GOP has created in their demented minds.

            Just because the GOP’s trademark is pathological lying, doesn’t mean that non right-wing outlets follow the same pathological lying!!!!

  6. In my opinion the Democrats are on a whirlpool to hell. Hillary is going to be defeated by Donald Trump by historic margins. She possesses the energy and charisma of a moldy bar rag. At stake this election is not only the presidency but the flipping of the senate and tremendous gains in the house to say nothing of the appointment of a minimum of three possibly four Supreme Court justices. Unless Hillary and the DNC change their present course of action large groups of Bernie supporters simply will not show up to the polls. While the young and unbending Bernie supporters stay at home holding their breath Donald Trump will become the next president. Start preparing for the next authoritarian populace . SMH.

    • In my opinion you are not correct. Hilliary will beat Trump. A lot of republicans are staying away from the voting booth. There are a lot of smart republicans that not care for the idiot.

      • I am not seeing that and the polls are telling us the opposite. The GOP will support Trump in droves and a lot of white working class males are switching to Trump. Do not ignore therecord breaking turnout they have had in the primaries and the fact that no GOP candidate has ever gotten more votes than Trump. Underestimating the GOP like we did in 2014 will be fatal.

        • The polls do not poll everyone that votes. I don’t under estimate the power of ignorance, that is why it is up to you and me to get democrats out to vote. I for one would like to see a Clinton / Bernie ticket. I think a lot of progress can get accomplished with the two in the white house. This is a Presidency, not midterm election, more democrats get out to vote.

          • I think it is up to Hillary to get the Progressives out to vote. I am worried that she will not go with a progressive as a running mate as I suspect she will take a hard turn to the right in the General. I fear she values more the moderate Republicans as opposed to the Bernie Bros. just my take. I hope I am wrong.

          • And that’s why you’re “helping” by endlessly posting smears and conspiracy theories. Right.

          • I like him a lot. A very smart political pick if we want to carry Ohio. The only negative is that we could lose a Senator. Kasich would definetely chose a GOPer and no guarantee would retain the seat in a special election. I think Bernie would consider Brown as well if he is our nominee.

      • I truly hope that I am wrong. One only needs to see how Trump operates to understand he will dominate the conversation at every level. Facts take time to convey he will not be bothered with facts and neither will his supporters. He is explosive and convincing he is nothing short of a pitbull Hillary Clinton has no defense against this type of attack. He understands an strong offense is the best defense he has done this through the GOP process he does it with the media and he will continue to do so. The Republican party had no means of dealing with him and so far either does the Democratic Party. If Hillary has any chance of winning step number one would be putting DWS Head on a stick and acting like they want the Sanders voters.

        • HRC has been putting up with these attacks from the GOP for over 40 years.

          She can handle this fool, any policy issue, any foreign issue, any financial issue, she knows all of these. Only fools will vote for Trump, let us hope more reasonable people come out to vote, and not just the fools.

  7. Bernie needs to stay in as long as possible. We need the results of the FBI probe before we know who the nominee is. Assuming no indictments then we must all support our nominee. Hillary will lose badly without the full support of Dems.

  8. Donald Trump was never a serious political candidate until he made a speech that he would
    1) Send 11 million illegal non-citizens back to Mexico
    2) He would build a wall along the entire Mexican Border that no one could cross
    3) Mexico would pay to build the wall
    Immediately 20-25% of Republicans were backing “The Donald” for President. I won’t say that all people that back Trump are BIGOTS, but let’s face facts – the majority of Trump supporters are BIGOTS.

  9. Trump is currently enjoying the Bump that historically happens after a candidate obtains enough delegates to ” cinch” the nomination. When I grow fearful of a Trump presidency I start counting the voting blocs he has alienated. Latino’s, check the GOP declared they could not win without them. African Americans, check the GOP have made no inroads in winning that group back. Women, check some might vote for him out of party loyalty but he is less popular than a case of the crabs. Asian Americans are not on board with the nominee who thought the Japanese mass internment in WWII a good idea. Trump continues to tweet and speak so there will be more people alienated by the orange one by November. If Trump horrifies you then vote and help others get to the polls.

  10. Senator Sanders has said he doesn’t want the American people to vote for the “lesser of two evils” and so we’re not going to. Trump and Clinton are in the same pot as far as we’re concerned. Both horrible. Let the gladiators fight to the death. In four years there will be a new candidate…Trump will have been impeached, Hillary will have put Americans back in full scale war, healthcare will be annihilated, the environment will continue to be destroyed for the sake of profit and ignorance. Only one way to go if we’re to be truly principled. Voting for Bernie Sanders no matter what. We’re on a collision course and the Republicans and Democrats are both egregiously to blame for their demise. In good conscience, holding high my principles, our family is voting for Senator Sanders no matter what. We’ll vote as many Democrats for congress and senate as are available. This is the turning point for America. We either stand up together and be heard loud and clear, or behave like slaves and go back to our tasks. I choose to stand up against corruption.

    • Ah, so because you’ve bought into fake Koch brothers nonsense about Clinton, that makes supporting Trump – and make no mistake, that is exactly what you are doing – OK somehow.

    • Sanders used the Democrat Party and Hillary to get publicity and boost himself up in a country where most people never heard of him. Debating Hillary and lobbing constant falsehoods against Hillary for over a year gave him publicity and with the help of mainstream media (like they did with Trump), Sanders was shown at a rallies and speeches on a daily basis, giving him millions of dollars of free ads and publicity. That is how Sanders (and Trump) was able to get this far in the race. He has nothing but disdain for the Democrat Party and like Trump, acts like a spoiled brat if he doesn’t get his way! Trump and Sanders have alot more in,common than Hillary with Sanders or Trump. Both men are huge narcissists, equating themselves as having the power of a messiah over their supporters. Hillary is the only one running who has the TEMPERAMENT, the experience, the intelligence, and mediating skills to be President. I’m sure that a small number of Sanders supporters will vote for Trump. If they want, they can sit the election out or vote for the Libertarian pair. Sanders should have run as an Independent from the beginning but he knew he wouldn’t reach the general public so he used bashing Hillary and the power, prestige, and even money donated to the Party by people and groups he trashes Hillary for accepting, as the Party ran debates, other events, and the Convention where he plans on fighting for the Democrat platform and even possibly for the nomination still. He knew that most of the Superdelegates were,pledged to Hillary from the start but he’s been using that in speeches to keep supporters from leaving his camp, like it was a shock that Hillary has,had that support from the beginning. He and Trump complained that their Party rigged the nomination against them even though the rules and delegate pledges were already there from the start. If Sanders didn’t like that Hillary had that many Superdelegates pledged to her from the beginning, he could have run as an Independent instead, what he has been for delegates. It would have saved tons of money that had to be raised for the Democrat Primary had he ran as an Independent. Hillary could have raised money for the general election instead and for Democrats running for House and Senate seats instead of fighting Sanders in the Primaries and Caucuses. But Bernie knew he needed to run as a Democrat to wield the Party’s power and to use fighting Hillary to become known and to boost himself up. He is the reason her likeability is low because his constant attacks at her for the last year and his camp and supporters took it steps farther in the vapid Hillary attacks coming from Bernie groups. I have family and friends who are Bernie supporters so the attacks on Hillary show up on my Facebook wall. They have been personal attacks like comparing one suit she wore to Capt. Kangaroo’s suit to right out lies about what she voted on when she was in the Senate, making it look like she was responsible for the Flint, Michigan water problem, using a report from a small pro-Sanders group that I’ve never heard of. When I dug up the votes that Hillary made in the Senate that they used and the reality of the reason there’s lead in the water there, there’s no correlation between them.. Its the kind of lies that Sanders’ camp have put out for the last year against Hillary. Sanders is NO messiah, even though the Millenials treat him like one! ,He’s more like Trump and neither men act Presidential or have the in depth skills, intelligence, experience, and temperament to be our next President!

      • Bernie said from the beginning had he run as an independent he would have split the progressive vote and the GOP would have won the WH. Roughly 45% of Dems and almost all of the left leaning independents support Sanders. . In a 3 way race Trump would have won all 50 states. Bernie is the cleanest candidate we have ever seen. He refuses to take money from special interest groups, Superpacs, and corporations. He does not engage in personal attacks and sticks to the issues. The media has either ignored or ridiculed him. Amazing he has done so well considering Debbie Wasserman Schultz the head of the DNC was also Hillarys chief campaign advisor when she lost to Obama in 2008. The DNC, the establishment and corporate media have done everything possible to make sure that Hillary is the nominee. They seem hellbent on speeding us into a fatal car wreck. Hillary will most likely lose, she is a terribly flawed candidate in this cycle. We should go with Bernie who is for the people not the corporations.

        • You really bought into Sanders’ lines. You’re entitled to your opinion but the things you implied are facts, are not. Like the amount of Democrats who support Sanders. There is nothing to prove those numbers. Sanders is not an honest man, he lies to his supporters and the country. He knows the things he promises are idealistic goals unless they have the backing of Congress and even he knows how that wouldn’t happen. As for Sanders for being for the people, not corporations, you could say the same about Trump. But its just an unrealistic line for any candidate. Of course Sanders would have to make a whole lot more money if he was the nominated candidate and where do you think he could have gotten money to run for the general election? Hillary wants to see the end of Citizens United but she’s,going to have to use Democrat SuperPacs to fight Trump as long as the much deeper pockets of the bundled Republican Billionaires once they back Trump and to keep the Republican majority in Congress. The Millennials supporting Sanders’ oversimplified and idealistic promises and plank have no idea how improbable and unrealistic Sanders’ stands are but his supporters that are older (many who grew up at the time of Vietnam know his promises aren’t doable by a President without support in the House and Senate but they want to let him go as far a he can anyway. They can do that, but surely they know better than Sanders’ plank that he’s for the people, not the corporations. We need the corporations to keep jobs, even if you disagree with parts of companies. People that work in corporations are still people. Nobody complained about Barak Obama allowing,election dollars from AuperPacs and Corporations. It would have been lopsided for McCain and Romney to run against Obama, using their sources but kept one hand tied behind his back in running his elections. And in spite of Sanders claims that Hillary would be beholding to corporations or the people who work at them and billionaires, no more than Obama was beholding to any of them. Sanders view of Wall St. is so snide, it was no wonder that he lost in NYC. Making employees who work for Wall St. or fossil fuel companies or other corporations to be bad is ridiculous. After looking at where those employees sent money, Sanders did have donations from them. Just another way that Sanders is quite a hypocrite. The excuse you gave for Sanders running as a Democrat instead of as an Independent from the beginning. didn’t ring true to me. I don’t think it was because he didn’t want to split the the Democrat vote in half. He ran as a Democrat because he wanted to use the power of the Party and running against Hillary to boost himself up, since nobody knew who he was. He knew he wouldn’t beat Hillary (and knew Hillary had all those Superdelegates so what was the point of trashing Hillary for a year? He would have been a truer candidate if he hadn’t run as a Democrat. His tantrums about the Superdelegates and the platform committees at the convention, wouldn’t be relevant, had he run as an Independent from the start. He doesn’t care about the Party because he ISN’T a Democrat! He changed his party just so he could use the Democrat party to boost himself up after decades of being an Independent. I have no respect for him. He’s the bigger panderer I’ve ever seen. Going after millennials, Independents, former hippies, college faculty, he’s chosen lofty pie in the sky, idealistic promises and trashing Hillary for her realistic plans. I can’t wait til she hits the magic number to win the DEMOCRAT nomination! But of course Sander will continue having a tantrum and will make us wait until the convention is over before finally concedes that Hillary won. She’s the only real Democrat in the race anyway.

          • Bernie outraised Hillary in the primaries without any Superpac , corporate or special interest money. He would have done same in the General election. My data regarding Bernie support among Democrats and independents is raw date taken from the actual results of the primaries and caucuses. Bernie is not a secret to us progressives. I have been listening to Brunch with Bernie on the Thom Hartmann show for nearly 8 years. His message then is no different than it is today. He began taliking about running for President after the 2014 midterms as a message candidate and said then if he ran he would run as a democrat so he did not split the progressive vote and hand the WH to the GOP. He could join the Green Party right now and that would result in Hillary finishing third and Trump would win by landslide. By your reasoning he should do that now, right? Yes you are correct with DWS as DNC chair and 450 delegates committing to Hillary a full year before ythe convention – this was supposed to be a coronation not a contested election. Bernie did not get that memo. I am just wondering. If Hillary is indicted by the Justice dept do you still want her to be your nominee?

          • Obama refused to take donations from lobbyists. Obama ran in 2008 before citizens United. Hillary is on the take. All of Bernie’s proposals were once in the democratic platform. Dems have always been for single payer health care. State University college tuition used to be free. Climate change must be addressed and we need to stop fracking and put in carbon tax. All of Bernie’s proposals would be enacted with progressive controlled congress. You may have given up but we haven’t. The movement is here and the revolution is coming. This is our time. We are not going to touch your Medicare or your Social Security so you can relax and live with dignity. We are seeing the passing of the torch. Hillary will be the last of establishment candidates. We don’t expect much from Hillary because she promises nothing but the status quo. We have arrived so enjoy it. Bernie will be remembered as the Father of Progressivism and Hillary will be remembered as the first Female President who got one term and accomplished almost nothing.

    • Just because you make a statement, does not mean that statement is true. You have no idea what the future brings. You, and your rigid “ideals” will just cause more problems for people. I would guess you will not be one who will be hurt by your refusal to admit there is a difference between Hillary and Trump. The “idealist” Nader gave us Bush. YOU and your ilk will give us Trump. Shame on you.

      • From the tone of your message I can readily hear your rigid “ideals” are permeating the conversation. Now that you have expressed your expertise is foreseeing the future as having “more problems for people” if Senator Sanders were to win the nomination in July, I think you might consider yourself a political soothsayer. What puzzles me the most is the name you have chosen for yourself…it certainly doesn’t reflect the person who writes angrily. “Bee Nice” certainly does not describe the vitriol you have just spewed here. I would like to remind you that we portend to be a democracy and as long as we do, my opinion and your opinion have equal weight. That means I respect that you will vote for someone I may not. In turn, perhaps you might consider that as the true meaning of what an election is about. Please do not cast your anger onto people in this forum. It is sad.

    • If Senator Sanders asks his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton because he believes she’d be a MUCH better president than Donald Trump (which he has said many times), then you’re doing your favorite candidate a disservice by not honoring his request. You could cause Bernie Sanders’ lasting legacy to be helping elect a very dangerous man as President of the United States of America – Donald Trump.

    • Has it occurred to you that Bernie Sanders has spent about 40 years in Congress and accomplished essentially nothing. Have you even considered why that is so?? Because Bernie knows nothing about compromise or actually getting other politicians to buy into his pie-in-the-sky proposals.

      Have you even thought about why, of all the senators he currently works with, that ONLY ONE has endorsed his candidacy while 40 have endorsed Hillary – and that that even includes the other independent in the Senate???

      Have you not wondered why that happened?? Because even his peers in Congress know that Bernie doesn’t have the skills or temperament to GET ANYTHING DONE!!

      And just think about it, if Bernie couldn’t virtually get anything accomplished in 40 years in Congress, what makes you radical six-year old minded supporters think that he would accomplish anything as president?? BECAUSE REST ASSURED – BERNIE WOULD ACCOMPLISH NOTHING IN THE OVAL OFFICE BECAUSE HE’S NOT QUALIFIED TO BE IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

      So ALL THAT BEING SAID, have you really thought about Hillary, and all the far more that she’s accomplished than Bernie?? Hillary Clinton is FAR MORE qualified to sit in the Oval Office than Bernie and certainly FAR MORE qualified than Trump. What grown up, would not vote for the person in an election that is BY FAR the most qualified for the job???

      And See This about Hillary which documents that she’s accomplished far more than Bernie Sanders has even dreamed of accomplishing:

      From the SunSentinel editorial board in their endorsement article for Hillary:

      Hillary Clinton is smart, steady and able to rebound quickly from defeat. When her attempt at health care reform failed during her husband’s first term, Clinton worked with senators from both parties – Democrat Ted Kennedy and Republican Orrin Hatch — to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which cut the uninsured rate of American children in half. More than eight million children have coverage because of the program.

      Critics who claim Clinton has no record of accomplishment despite her sparkling resume need to look closer at her record.

      She helped secure more than $21 billion for World Trade Center redevelopment. She led investigations into the health problems of 9/11 first responders. She promoted increased National Institutes of Health funding for research into cancer and asthma. She was the principal author of sanctions – particularly on oil imports to the European Union — that brought Iran to the negotiating table. She helped bring about a 2012 cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that headed off an Israeli invasion of Gaza. She named an “ambassador at large” for women’s rights.

      :”Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., “has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it.”

      .And excerpts from a DailyKos article

      When Hillary Clinton stood up in Beijing to speak that truth, her hosts were not the only ones who didn’t necessarily want to hear it. Some of her husband’s advisors also were nervous about the speech, fearful of upsetting relations with China. But she faced down the opposition at home and abroad, and her words continue to hearten women around the world and have reverberated down the decades.

      Everywhere she goes, she meets with the head of state and she meets with the women leaders of grassroots organizations in each country. This goes automatically on her schedule. As you’ve seen, when she went to Burma – our first government trip there in 40 years. She met with its dictator and then she met with Aung San Suu Kyi, the woman he kept under detention for 15 years, the leader of Burma’s pro-democracy movement.

      She’s just been busy working, doing it, making those words “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” into something every leader in every country now knows is a linchpin of American policy. It’s just so much more than a rhetorical triumph. We’re talking about what happened in the real world, the institutional change that was a result of that stand she took.This isn’t just symbolism. It’s how you change the world.

      • I never respond to people that begin with an accusatory and condescending sentence. What follows is usually a screaming angry person. I was right again.

  11. Thanks for providing me with a new label. I’m a PROUD and COMMITTED DEAD-ENDER who will be writing-in Sen. Sanders on 8 November 2016, and returning to the ranks of the progressively UN-affiliated in July.

    • I would suggest you vote for the person Senator Sanders asks his supporters to vote for. If he doesn’t make a recommendation, then you’d be fully justified for doing a write-in. But if Senator Sanders asks his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton because he believes she’d be a MUCH better president than Donald Trump (which he has said many times), then you’re doing your favorite candidate a disservice by not honoring his request. You could cause Bernie Sanders’ lasting legacy to be helping elect a very dangerous man as President of the United States of America – Donald Trump.

    • So you choose to act just like a six-year old: If I can’t get my way, I’m going to take my toys in this election and go home. Wow!! How adult of you!! NOT!!

      • and or another good one YA WELL THY STARTED IT im waiting for DONNY DUMP to say I know your are but what im I ?

      • Elections are NOT about endorsing the selection of private organizations, which is what political parties actually are.
        Elections are how We The People (the true governing body of this nation) hire the people we want to administer our governmental agencies.
        When the political parties FAIL to put forward candidates for employment who I believe are qualified and competent, I have the right and the duty and moral obligation to reject the party recommendations and to VOTE FOR the person(s) I believe will do the best job or representing my values.
        My VOTE FOR someone not endorsed by one political party is NOT a de facto endorsement of the other party’s endorsed candidate.
        It is a rejection of both parties candidates and a VOTE FOR the person I believe will do the best job in the office.
        Elections are not horse races where we bet on winners.
        They are how we choose those who carry out the daily chores of governance.
        Neither The Donald nor Clinton have convinced me they will do the job of president as well as Sen. Sanders. So I’m VOTING FOR Sen. Sanders.

    • And just so you’re aware, no matter what you think of Hillary, she’s accomplished FAR MORE beneficial to America during her political life, than Bernie Sanders has even ever dreamed of accomplishing:

      From the SunSentinel editorial board in their endorsement article for Hillary:

      Hillary Clinton is smart, steady and able to rebound quickly from defeat. When her attempt at health care reform failed during her husband’s first term, Clinton worked with senators from both parties – Democrat Ted Kennedy and Republican Orrin Hatch — to create the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which cut the uninsured rate of American children in half. More than eight million children have coverage because of the program.

      Critics who claim Clinton has no record of accomplishment despite her sparkling resume need to look closer at her record.

      She helped secure more than $21 billion for World Trade Center redevelopment. She led investigations into the health problems of 9/11 first responders. She promoted increased National Institutes of Health funding for research into cancer and asthma. She was the principal author of sanctions – particularly on oil imports to the European Union — that brought Iran to the negotiating table. She helped bring about a 2012 cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that headed off an Israeli invasion of Gaza. She named an “ambassador at large” for women’s rights.

      “Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., “has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it.”

      And excerpts from a DailyKos article:

      When Hillary Clinton stood up in Beijing to speak that truth, her hosts were not the only ones who didn’t necessarily want to hear it. Some of her husband’s advisors also were nervous about the speech, fearful of upsetting relations with China. But she faced down the opposition at home and abroad, and her words continue to hearten women around the world and have reverberated down the decades.

      Everywhere she goes, she meets with the head of state and she meets with the women leaders of grassroots organizations in each country. This goes automatically on her schedule. As you’ve seen, when she went to Burma – our first government trip there in 40 years. She met with its dictator and then she met with Aung San Suu Kyi, the woman he kept under detention for 15 years, the leader of Burma’s pro-democracy movement.

      She’s just been busy working, doing it, making those words “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” into something every leader in every country now knows is a linchpin of American policy. It’s just so much more than a rhetorical triumph. We’re talking about what happened in the real world, the institutional change that was a result of that stand she took.

      This isn’t just symbolism. It’s how you change the world.

      • all is blind to the good things thy just seek making up stuff to try to make her look bad (admitted to it )

  12. The German Communists who prior to 1933 represented about 15-20% of the German electorate were dead-enders who refused to join the German Social Democrats who represented about 25% of the electorate and the German Democratic and Peoples Parties out of their dead-end notion of ideological purity. The result was Hitler, the end of all political parties and of all democracy and the reds and the pinks and the liberals all going into concentration camps and in many cases into gas chambers or
    up against firing squad walls.
    THESE are the same kind of left-wing radical vermin who are the Sanders dead-enders and who could wind up turning our democratic republic over to America’s contemporary fascists. And it will serve them right if they get what the German reds got.

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