By E. J. Dionne

Dick Cheney’s Chutzpah

June 19, 2014 12:00 am Category: Memo Pad, Politics 196 Comments A+ / A-
Dick Cheney’s Chutzpah

WASHINGTON — The infinitely valuable Yiddish word “chutzpah” is defined as “shameless audacity” or “impudence.”

It’s singularly appropriate for the astonishing op-ed piece that former vice president Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz published in The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday. It’s not every day that a leader of the previous administration suggests that the current president is a “fool” and accuses him of intentionally weakening the United States.

“President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring he has taken America down a notch,” the Cheneys write. Are they charging our president with treason? “President Obama,” they write, “is on track to securing his legacy as the man who betrayed our past and squandered our freedom.”

Squandered our freedom?

“Only a fool,” they say, “would believe American policy in Iraq should be ceded to Iran, the world’s largest state sponsor of terror.” As if this is what Obama is doing — and as if it wasn’t the invasion Cheney so passionately supported that vastly strengthened Iran’s hand long before Obama took office.

The Cheney polemic would be outrageous even if our former vice president’s record on Iraq had been one of absolute clairvoyance. As it happens, he was wrong in almost every prediction he made about the war.

On March 16, 2003, just days before the war started, Cheney sat down with the late Tim Russert on NBC’s Meet the Press for what still stands as the most revealing of the prewar interviews. Cheney was adamant that “to suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the conflict ends, I don’t think is accurate. I think that’s an overstatement.”

“We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators,” he famously said, and proceeded to play down the very sectarian divisions that are plaguing the country now. Russert asked: “And you are convinced the Kurds, the Sunnis, the Shiites will come together in a democracy?” Cheney replied quickly: “They have so far.” He went on:

If you look at the opposition, they’ve come together, I think, very effectively, with representatives from Shia, Sunni and Kurdish elements in the population. They understand the importance of preserving and building on an Iraqi national identity. They don’t like to have the U.S., for example, come in and insist on dealing with people sort of on a hyphenated basis — the Iraqi-Shia, Iraqi-Sunni — but rather to focus on Iraq as a nation and all that it can accomplish as a nation, and we try to be sensible to those concerns. I think the prospects of being able to achieve this kind of success, if you will, from a political standpoint, are probably better than they would be for virtually any other country and under similar circumstances in that part of the world.

Ah yes, regime change would work out just fine — better than fine. “Extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy of jihad,” Cheney had told the Veterans of Foreign Wars seven months earlier. “Moderates throughout the region would take heart.” Plus a bonus: “Our ability to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process would be enhanced.” This was the war that would cure all that ailed us.

Thanks to the Cheney op-ed, we can see how Obama’s hawkish critics are out to create a double standard. Whenever they are called out for how mistaken they were about Iraq in the first place, they piously lecture against “relitigating the past” and say we must instead look forward. At the same time, many of them feel perfectly free to trash the president in extreme and even vile terms.

I am all for looking forward and trying to find an approach that squares the many contradictions we face: of needing to defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria while also pushing Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to stop pursuing anti-Sunni policies that are empowering the forces we need to turn back; of being on the same side as Iran in Iraq’s current emergency but on opposite sides over Syria; of wanting to avoid steps that will make things worse while not being paralyzed; and of not plunging into the middle of a Shiite-Sunni civil war while trying to stop the region’s descent into chaos.

Obama sees these contradictions and says he won’t act rashly. You don’t have to agree with Obama’s every move to prefer his prudence to the utter certainty that “we will be greeted as liberators” and to a habit of underestimating the costs of military action.

E.J. Dionne’s email address is ejdionne@washpost.com. Twitter: @EJDionne.

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  • Kris Kelly

    Dick Cheney is trying to divert attention away from his own words and the position of the Bush administration on selling of the war in Iraq. They sold the lie to the american people and now he’s placing blame, for his failure, on the current president. Dick Cheney sold a lie and he should be placed under arrest, along with George W. Bush and Condelezza Rice. They cost lives of American service men and women (profited from it), and the people of Iraq. IT WAS A LIE, and justice needs to be served.

    • StanCalif

      Dick Cheney, and his daughter, are the most unpatriotic people in the USA! All Dick cared about, while in office, was oil. He even stated that the Iraq invasion would be “revenue neutral” because we would get all Iraq’s oil very cheap! Stupid GWB never had an original thought in his head that was not planted there by Cheney!

      Okay, Dick, where is all this Iraqi oil today? Cheney lied, GWB lied, and they convinced Condelezza Rice and Colin Powell to spread their lies. Dick’s friends at Halliburton all made huge profits providing “services” in Iraq. Also remember that Cheney had secret meetings with oil company executives prior to the disastrous Gulf Oil spill. Any coincidence here?

      Cheney and Bush should both be arrested and put on trial for high treason!

      • marysolvel

        It’s not going to happens because the democrats don’t have “balls”!

        • 1standlastword

          They don’t have the moral constitution

        • FredAppell

          You’re probably right, the Dems do seem more interested in playing nice but I’d also love to see some of their stock portfolios. I’m sure more than a few Dems and Repubs have made a pretty penny from the war. “Follow the money.”

      • http://www.heritage.org/constitution kenndeb

        I agree. Both should be tried, along with our current traitors. We should start with the Emperor an his minions, then move through the other branches of government and arrest all that are not fulfilling their oath to support and defend the constitution. We have let our government get out of control.

        • highpckts

          The emperor? By that I’m guessing you mean Obama? I cannot understand how a mind like yours works when you can lump Obama and Cheney in the same mold! You are seriously deranged!! Cheney cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars for his own greed and now he has the audacity to say it Obama’s fault? You need help!

          • Sand_Cat

            About “how his mind works”: it doesn’t.

          • BillP

            That’s the entirety of ken comments. He call President Obama the emperor in hopes if he says it enough it will take hold. It won’t ever on this site

        • 1standlastword

          We should remember that Cheney holds stocks in the corporate prison industry

          • Allan Richardson

            In that case they should give him the employee discount on his room and board!

          • charleo1

            I like It. Cheney gets an employee discount, as a
            prisoner.

    • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

      He also helped ‘out’ a CIA Agent, which George H.W. Bush called treason. Until he found out it came from his sons White House. No more was then heard.

    • 1standlastword

      Like I said above: There is nobody around morally qualified to bring justice. We should just collectively pray that fate deals justly with these sons and daughters Lucifer!

      • Mark Forsyth

        I wouldn’t play that “morally qualified” card too much.Any widow with or without children,or any person who lost a family member in that Iraqi debacle meets all the moral requirements to take out all of their anger,grief, and outrage on piece of shits Cheney,Bush,Rumsfeld etc.etc.

        • 1standlastword

          Point taken Mark. I just want to play that card enough to emphasize that the those who can and should prosecute won’t because they themselves have apparently determined that they have too much to loose.

          Obama and Holder are slothful for making excuses for Wall Street and completely derelict of their duty for not one single investigation of the Iraq parade of crimes perpetrated by Chaney, Rove, Rumsfeld et al.

          The rule of law is suspended on all accounts because our political leaders are slaves to their own lusts for power as they are all members of the permanent political class.

          The Republicans would NEVER remain passive if these horrific events happened under a Democratic administration.

          Look what they did to Clinton for a blow job.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I couldn’t agree with you more.There are dolts still making a to/do over Monica’s blue dress.In addition to all the good points you mention about Obama’s and Holder’s short comings,I can’t help but wonder how much threat to either ones life exists,were they to persue certain actions.
            After reading the above article,I searched on line for what,if any,reasons exist that would prevent Bush and Cheney from being tried as treasonous war criminals.Although I didn’t conduct the research beyond a couple of articles,I did read one that gave some very enlightening info on the Iraq War.If you care to check it out the website is http://www.veteranstoday.com .Thanks for your response

          • 1standlastword

            Thanks Mark. I’ll check it out

          • Mark Forsyth

            I went back to the site to locate the specific article but as you say,”there is a lot of stuff”, I dare say that one could spend several days there on just the one topic.The article I read dealt with Cheney/Haliburton/Black—?/Petreus/torture.Also treated were the issues involving control of the mid-East oil fields. Sorry I can’t recall the article name or the name of the contractor group cited for atrocities that has the word Black in their name.
            I was astounded to learn just how much that was never reported on or talked about in our so-called liberal media.When one begins to take it all in and considers how many more enemies we have made in that part of the world due to simple greed and ego,it boggles the mind that no one has been brought to justice.The mid-East tribes will not be as forgiving of our colossal misstep as the Vietnamese people are.

          • 1standlastword

            Thanks for trying. The articles I perused where of an extremely controversial nature. I’m astonished that a site dedicated to veterans features such highly controversial articles. Seems like if taken to heart the material could cause a backlash against our institutional government by the patriots that sign up to risk their life to fight for an alleged corrupted government. All that said people like me and you have enough common sense to rationalize what our leaders really are about so the highly controversial is sort of in the same category as pornography :-)

          • Mark Forsyth

            I don’t shy away from controversy nor do I doubt the accuracy of the articles.Having lived in close proximity to active duty service personell,I know how restricted they are as far as what they can say about politics or policy.It is always good to know what has been kept secret from the public especially when it has been of a criminal or nefarious nature.There is no doubt at all that the Iraqi War was an out of control disaster in waiting from the beginning and I for one am glad to learn the details that are not otherwise revealed in conventional media.
            In light of the Iraqi farce and all the falsehoods that promoted it, as well as the reasons for those lies,a backlash is well deserved.That is unless one feels that the overwhelmingly unnecessary loss of life or the violation of established American military principles in a foreign land by American people is not offensive.

          • Mark Forsyth

            By the way,alleged corrupted government? Surely you jest!

          • 1standlastword

            I do believe the Bush administration was organically corrupt

          • Mark Forsyth

            I would not be as kind in describing the Bush administration but I don’t disagree in regard to its corruption.How could Obama not be contaminated when the entire world has been affected? While I generally support his administration,I feel that the man has failed to stand strong on issues that are dear to me and that certain actions he has taken may strain the bounds of legality.Obstructionism not withstanding,the man has failed to deliver numerous times and has left many of his most staunch supporters disappointed.

          • 1standlastword

            Your concerns regarding Obama’s straining the bounds of legality–I think, is inherited in spirit from the Chaney’ Unitary Executive philosophy, the belief that the POTUS should be robust and unrestrained by congress. It fit right into Bush’s desire to be “dictator”–something he made light of once if my memory serves me correctly. The implication of Obama as weak is to me not so clearly generic to his character and is confounded with his broken government provided by “r”epublican obstruction: if my right hand wanted to make pancakes and my left hand wanted to shoot basketball I’d look pretty indecisive and wouldn’t make the team or feed the troops. In summary I think America is in decline and the world is headed for a great fall: it’s just a matter of time. Will nature fry us of will we fry us. The intelligent people who continue to think that our votes will disinfect our foul government should realize that smart voting only suffices to forestall the inevitable shift of power. And why is this so? Well. We are seeing the consequences of our addiction to global consumerism and the power and influence is held in the hands of a very few and they are only concerned about themselves. Chaney stands as picture perfect proof. All the polls (if we can abide in the credibility of polls) overwhelming support no troops in Iraq–just like they (polls that is) supported getting out of Iraq. But the Chaney bunch don’t care what the American people want. To them we are just machines existing to worship their ideals. As long as those people have power and influence not even smart voting will disinfect our fouled government. Why do you think there haven’t been any prosecutions for the theft of middle class wealth and the murder of our children.

  • Bill Quigley

    The Wall Street Journal reduces its status as a significant newspaper by printing an op ed. from this highly discredited former vice president.

    • plc97477

      And as far as I am concerned their status was pretty low to begin with.

      • Independent1

        Yeah!! And Joe Schmuck has tried for days to convince me that the WSJ is not a right-wing rag. What a joke. The WSJ is a worthless piece of garbage.

    • Bryan Blake

      If it is owned by Murdoch and Newscorp the only status it has is just another pig at the troughs of profitability (sorry pigs).

  • Budjob

    Wil someone arrest that lying,corrupt pig?

    • FT66

      He can’t get out of US, if he does, he will end in The Hague like the late Milosevic. You are quite right. The man is: “en gammel svin”!

      • CPAinNewYork

        What the hell does “en gammel svin”! mean and what language is it?

        I despise pseudo intellectual clowns who try to flaunt their erudidition by using untranslated foreign phrases.

        • Julieann Wozniak

          Yiddish: literally, a rotten pig. Yiddish is the language of the people; nothing intellectual about it.

          And that’s a polite way of putting it.

          • CPAinNewYork

            ” Yiddish is the language of the people”? Yiddish is a German dialect spoken by Eastern European Jews, so, if by “people” you mean Jewish people, you’re right. I prefer English, because it’s truly the language of my people: Americans.

          • Julieann Wozniak

            Grew up (and still live in) a coal patch where multiple languages were spoken, so I guess I’m flexible. My particular hick dialect sounds like a foreign language, so I code-switch frequently.

          • elw

            Oh, for Gods sake, get yourself a life CPA – you are over reacting to nothing.

          • sigrid28

            Not if he is anti-Semitic. He’s the one who thinks all of this has to do with the U.S. defending Israel, that ought to take care of its own military needs.

          • elw

            He may be anti-Semitic, but I would guess that that is just one of his many “antis.” He clearly states in the comment that started this that he “hates intellectual clowns.” He just likes being outraged.

          • Allan Richardson

            I hope you at least recognize the Yiddish word in the title, “chutzpah?” It has become Americanized. It means, let us say, someone who kills his parents and pleads for mercy because he is an orphan. A good description of Cheney’s attitude, I would say.

          • CPAinNewYork

            I once read one of the van Buren sisters answering a reader who asked in her column what “chutzpah” means and why it’s good. Van Buren’s answer was “It means gall and there’s nothing good about it”.

          • atc333

            Nicely put!

          • charleo1

            In case you haven’t noticed, “your people, Americans”
            are speaking all kinds of languages now. I know this
            really sends you up a rope. But nevertheless, it will be
            happening long after you’re gone. I hope that bring you some peace. To know, you’ll never change this, no matter how hard you try, for as long as you live. Personally, I’m forever impressed, wherever our reporters roam across the World, people, even grade schoolers in far flung corners of the world are able to
            respond in very understandable English. While U.S. kids tend to be, very much like their parents. Mono-language, entitled, rather ego centric, and unaware,
            and fearful of other cultures, they know little to nothing about. This in an ever shrinking, ever more inter-dependent World, does not make sense.

          • Mark Forsyth

            CPA pretends that he is something different,but he is nothing more than another stupid ignorant troll.Each time he shows up he has nothing better to offer than criticism of other’s use of language.At least the other trolls will make a weak attempt to discuss the article.

          • joe schmo

            Well, thanks Mark. I guess I fit into that ‘discussion’ category and I agree that PAin is a pain…..

          • CPAinNewYork

            My people are Americans and in America English is the language. Any other language is secondary, sometimes spoken by would-be intellectuals or people trying to affirm some kind of connection with a specific group.

          • joe schmo

            Look PAin, I am also bilingual. I think it is OK to be able to speak another language. ‘Kapeesh.’ In Europe they speak sometimes 2 or 3. It’s commonplace.

          • FT66

            At last I have got CPAinNewYork and clicked his nerves. I used the language purposely to tick him off. Those who know the language must be bursting in laughter. CPAinNewYork likes very much needling others. Now it’s his turn.

          • elw

            What is so silly about his reaction is the number of words that are used commonly by English speaking people but are actually not a English word. For example: omelet is a French word.

        • old_blu

          Google is your friend too, it doesn’t care if you’re wrong or not.

        • Paul Bass

          “erudition” the quality of having or showing great knowledge or learning; scholarship.
          And you show this quality by your spelling?

          • CPAinNewYork

            What a fantastic mind you have, so focused on the key issue. You disregard the sense of what I wrote to highlight a spelling error.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Back again bullshitter? The “Key Issue” as you put it,is the topic of the article,in particular Dick Cheney,not whether or not someone uses a Yiddish expression. Up to your old tricks of trying to steer the discussion.Why don’t you carry your lousy stinking troll ass off this page,you haven’t had anything worthwhile to say in over a year.You are as much a fake and a fraud as Cheney is!

        • joe schmo

          Wow, you have some nerve. You even pick on your own kind. You really are a PAin….. This dude is on your side…..

    • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

      Cheney is too rich to be arrested. He would have to be secretly spirited out of the Country and left on the doorstep of a Country who would love to see him. We have a thing called Google, if we need to know what a word means, it is very helpful.

      • 1standlastword

        Do you know if he make charitable donations to a worthy cause…say for instance the National Heart Association

    • 1standlastword

      Frighteningly, there is no one around morally qualified to arrest him.

    • Dell Martin

      Why he’s not in prison for the rest of his life is something I’ll never understand.

      • Independent1

        You and me both. Irrespective of starting the war in Iraq based on lies and distortions; Bush and Cheney should both be in jail for dereliction of duty which resulted in the deaths of almost 3,000 people on 9/11. After deliberately refusing 7 times to allow the CIA to focus on trying to stop an imminent attack on the homeland by al Qaeda. If you throw in the Iraq war, some of his administration folks should be in jail with them.

        Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq

        http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

      • joe schmo

        Why Obama doesn’t get questioned or isn’t impeached is beyond me. You see what comes round goes round….. They are all in cahoots. Liberals and Republicans alike…..

    • joe schmo

      Look he’s out. We already have one lunatic that we have to deal with in the White House. That’s plenty. No longer does Cheney have any influence on anyone. So what’s the hype. I guess there aren’t better things to report on?

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    We all know who now owns the Wall Street Journal and Wall Street don’t we? The wonderful thing about Wall Streetism is that it has shown on at least a half dozen occasions that the Genius Bois have a singularly weak link: greed. Cheney lusted after the presidency in 1994 when he hoped his own party would put him out there. They didn’t. We can only imagine why. So what does Ach Tung Cheney do? He gets in through Halliburton’s back door. Was it really just a peculiar coincidence that he suddenly 2 years before he became VP schmoozed himself into the CEO position at Halliburton? You’d have to be moronically naive to believe that the juicy back room deal between Halliburton Honchos and Cheney was to discuss a hunting trip. So it was in 1998, Halliburton CEO Cheney struck what might be recalled in history as “the deal of the century.” Hand Iraq to Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater and then? Flush campaign dollars Cheney’s way to make sure he was a bought and paid for VP. And weren’t those Halliburton perks just grand? A no bid contract for a war that was Bush’s insurance for the presidency and a dozen years later? $350 billion in Halliburton profit. It doesn’t get more evil for Cheney than this folks.

    • Dominick Vila

      …and not a word from our media.

      • Grannysmovin

        To paraphrase one of Boehner’s sarcastic remarks “where were the media, they were napping”

        • Sand_Cat

          They were, and still are, lining up to kiss his – how shall I phrase this – “nether parts.”

          • joe schmo

            You mean Obama’s? Yes they are ……and so are all the liberals and commie RINO’s.

          • Sand_Cat

            Not too clever, really. You simply confirm for the sane people that you’re so far out of touch with reality that you call even Republicans “commie.”

          • joe schmo

            RINO’S one and the same as moderate liberal.

        • FredAppell

          Napping? I hope that’s just a gentle euphemism for making money hand over fist! The media betrayed the American people the day they transformed their business model from one of information to one of profiteering. So much for the 4th estate.

          • joe schmo

            …and you are including liberal media in your rant, right? Because Liberal media was all we had until the 90′s. We are still bombarded by it today. It’s helping shape the future of our Communist Government with slanderous propaganda in favor of our dictator.

          • FredAppell

            Yes Joe, I am including Liberal media in my rant. I’m including all media in my rant. News shouldn’t be slanted in one direction or the other, that’s propaganda not news. All the outlets including your precious FOX are carefully selecting “what and how” the news is presented. I gave up watching MSNBC and CNN a long time ago because of that garbage. And yes I know the National Memo is Liberally biased as well but I come here to post what’s on my mind without being attacked for it, not to get my news.

            As far as your other reply to me is concerned, you have proven my point. I believe humility it to be a strength, not a weakness. Respect is earned through understanding and doing the right thing, not taken by force of arms or bully tactics.

          • joe schmo

            Fred, I agree wholeheartedly with you. It is often very hard to discern between what is the right news and what is wrong.

            And yes, humility is a virtue. Something our government does not have at the moment. There are bullies on both sides. One thing I try to promote is meeting in the middle which, at the moment, seems to be an impossibility between individuals on both sides:)

            Doesn’t matter what side you are on, you get attacked for having a differing opinion. Just as the Left stick together so do the Right.

          • Sand_Cat

            Because you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground, you still believe Newt Gingrich’s and others’ BS about the “liberal media.” Just because they don’t quote Hitler and Goebbels as approvingly as you’d like hardly makes them liberal.

          • joe schmo

            What does what you just stated have anything to do with the conversation? I said nothing about Gingrich.

            Yes, the liberal media has always been at the forefront of American news. We have just become more aware of it’s misrepresentation of ALL Americans since the 90′s.

            Huh! Maybe you need to dig that hole in the sand_box a little deeper because your ridiculous insinuations are getting you more soiled as time goes on.

        • joe schmo

          Correction…..where ‘was’ the media. Your liberal education is showing……

          Yes, where was it. We ask ourselves that all the time when it comes to Obama’s deceptive rule.

          • Grannysmovin

            And your showing that you are a conservative insufferable prig. There is not a “so called journalist” who asked any difficult questions of your lying fellow conservative prigs. I welcome being corrected when I have incorrectly used a word, misstated a fact or misspelled something, however, when you do it as an insult you just show how small mined you really are.
            The only dictators are Republican Legislators who are passing laws dictating a woman’s reproductive rights, voter suppression laws, trying to force their religious beliefs on all of us and trying to legislate morality.

            Your name says it all.

          • joe schmo

            You just don’t like it if the tables are turned on you. I am consistently corrected on this site because of words that I use. You correct each others as well. Normally, I would just let it go and not care, but since you are so inclined and have to make a mockery of everything I state, I will do the same.

            You stated, “the only dictators are Republican legislators who are passing laws dictating a woman’s reproductive ……’ Have they passed anything? Trying to force their religious beliefs on all of us. Have they been able to do that? No…..however what you have done is degrade Christianity. Christians have just as many rights to exist on this soil as atheists and agnostics and Muslims etc…. I believe even more because this used to be a Christian country or have you forgotten that. The liberals want to infiltrate religion and replace it with a decadent belief system. Conservatives just want to be left alone with their beliefs.

            Nowadays, everything is being misconstrued and turned around. Gays have more rights, Atheists have more rights, criminals have more rights, illegals have more rights. What are we looking at next polygamy, incest, incarceration of honest citizens.

            We just don’t want your crap FORCED on us and that is exactly what liberals are doing. All done with a ‘pen and a phone.’ That is why I am here. Because your media lies as well. Hate to tell you this but…..wonder what God thinks? Good always over rules evil. But it’s not my place. If you don’t see the writing on the wall, then your a fool and, of course, you won’t until it is too late.

            You realize Hillary’s book was not flying off the shelf…… Average Americans are getting tired of your stuff.

          • Grannysmovin

            Did you read my response? I said I welcome corrections when they are done to be helpful, however your correction included ” Your liberal education is showing……” , which was you mocking what I said. I responded.

            What God do these Conservatives believe in? Your Legislative leaders, so called religious leaders and talking heads on TV and radio promote hatred, intolerance, segregation, violence and are judgmental. These were not the word of God I was taught in Catholic school nor did I hear this from the pulpit. At their conference for Christian conservative they placed a figurine of President Obama in a urinal. Conservative and your Religious Zealots express disdain and contempt for those who are different, less fortunate, in need of assistance. Conservative and your Religious Zealots will not tolerate those who do not share their point of view either politically or religiously. Ralph Reed said “We have turned our back on God and his precepts, and like a prodigal child we now live with those consequences,” People are turning their backs on God, they are turning their backs on Organized Religion because of your conservative hate and fear mongers. Why aren’t these so called “Christians”
            spreading and demonstrating the true meaning of Christianity by embracing that we are a nation with many faiths, creeds and ethnicities, to compete in the marketplace of ideas, and to greet disagreement and even hostility with a smile, humility, optimism and love.

          • joe schmo

            Of course that’s what our education system has evolved into, secular and humanistic. Everyone is treated equal. Bright students are often passed over and unchallenged. No discipline or respect is taught in the schools. 32 out of 32 developed nations in reading. Common Core will be a loser. What ever happened to reading, writing and arithmetic. Need I say more?

            Religion has never been a real issue until now. Nowadays, with the attack on Christians from the leff, I am more inclined to stand up for my belief system. For example, if a cross has been displayed on a hill for decades and some atheist comes along and wants it torn down because it degredates them then I can honestly say that is an injustice. Plus, it goes against our freedom of religion. An atheist can just ignore the cross. Who cares if it offends them. It was there before they were born. Never bothered anyone in the past. They can believe what they want just don’t infringe their crap on me.

            Sorry, the Christain moral system as displayed by the 10 commandments in the Bible never change. Have you ever heard that ‘Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.’ The Bible cannot be rearranged to fit a modern day world. The Bible was never meant to be that way. I really don’t care what your belief is just don’t FORCE me to be like you. What happens in life is between you and your maker. That is if you believe in one.

            Christians, zealots? OMG come on. Christians are the most generous of all people who give to charity. Oftentimes churches will go to the poorest regions to help people with food, shelter and water. Give me a break.

            The problem with embracing everything is somewhat too open minded and sooner or later misrepresents what Christians are. Christians have always been into conversion. Jesus, did this. His work involved converting prostitutes, beggars, and criminals to Christainity. I tend to believe to each their own and do not bother anyone with my religion unless they are in my face. I think many Christians are like that, however; when the left starts attacking, we react.

            Really and ‘yellow journalism’ has been alive in well on both sides of the isle now for some time. Don’t give me that BULL about Fox news, your media had control forever. It was only in the 90′s that conservatives started to have a voice. Thank goodness for that. Get over it.

            Yes, America was based on the Christian religion. Stop and think about the first to arrive in this country. Didn’t they leave Europe because they were being prosecuted for their religion? I really don’t get why you liberals can’t see the writing on the wall on this one. Where do you come up with this junk? Just to prove your point? It has just been in the last century that the countries ideology on religion has shifted. I believe it is largely because of the secular humanism introduced to the young and innocent at school and, of course, the rise of other ethnicity’s. Trust me not a good thing. Religion has always been the cause of war between people of differing opinions.

            You do not think for yourself and you follow false prophets!

          • Grannysmovin

            So George Washington is wrong because he does not support your point of view?
            “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” – James Madison

            Fox News: Research the case; Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury’s words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida’s whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.

            FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation.” In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a “law, rule, or regulation,” it was simply a “policy.” Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.
            Mr. Schmoe – so appropriate – the only one following false prophets is you.

          • joe schmo

            Of course I know about the separation of chruch and state. However, you are fundamentally wrong when it comes to Washington or any of the Founding Fathers with regard to religion. Distance often had a lot to do with attending services. Mount Vernon was quite a distance from any church. When Washington traveled he attended church.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_and_religion

            My my are you self righteous. Like your media never lies. They are so sloppy about their fiction that it becomes reality to them and you.

            “I am tired of the left. They say they’re for tolerance, they say they respect diversity. The reality is this: They respect everybody unless you happen to disagree with them,” he said. “The left is trying to silence us and I’m tired of it, I won’t take it anymore.”
            -Bobby Jindal Governor of LA

            I follow no false prophet. You are the suppository for Obama. Not me. I don’t even have full faith in our Conservative representatives. I make no insinuations that I am a perfect Christian. Nobody is perfect. I just believe the morality that is stated in the Bible. I think some liberals have gone a bit beyond what is Christian. But not my problem. Again, that is between that person and God. God rights all wrongs in society. He always does.

            Susan B Anthony – that figures. I don’t think much of feminists. I have my reasons.

            I don’t think I need to do that. My grandfather was a pastor. You don’t have to believe me but an open-minded one at that:) All that really matters is a strong belief to the end. I really don’t care what your belief is just as long as you don’t try to FORCE decadence on me.

            (Matt 24:9-14)
            “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many
            will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the
            increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom
            will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

            2 Timothy 3:1-5
            But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
            heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of
            pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

          • Grannysmovin

            “The declaration that “the Government of the United
            States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion” appears in article 11 of the Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary (commonly known as the Treaty of Tripoli), which was approved by the U.S. Senate and signed by President John Adams in 1797.” http://nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

            Other quotes from he Founders: “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it” John Adams quotes (American 2nd US President

            “Religions are all alike — founded upon fables and mythologies” Thomas Jefferson (American 3rd US President

            “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man” Thomas Jefferson

            “The authors of the gospels were unlettered and ignorant men and the teachings of Jesus have come to us mutilated, misstated and unintelligible” Thomas Jefferson

            “The Christian God is a being of terrific character – cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust” Thomas Jefferson quotes

            Some of the reasons you should talk to your Grandfather or someone other qualified religious leader: 1. Jindal you admire, a man who is brilliant, politically savy, but his governing hurts the poor, elderly, sick and children in his state. His school voucher scheme was shot down by the courts. He wanted to ” direct public funds to “schools” with truly bizarre lesson plans, and financing religious ministries led by some, shall we say, eccentric pastors. This promotes one Religion over others which is unconstitutional. 2. You wrote ” If you don’t see the writing on the wall, then you are a fool and, of course, you won’t notice until it is too late.” 3. Where do you come up with this junk? Just to prove your point? It has just been in the last century that the countries ideology on religion has shifted. I believe it is largely because of the secular humanism introduced to the young and innocent at school and, of course, the rise of other ethnicity’s.
            4. Susan B Anthony – that figures. I don’t think much of feminists. 5. Is it Christian behavior to Hate the President because you disagree with his policies? 5. “really don’t care what your belief is just as long as you don’t try to FORCE decadence on me.” You do not know me and yet you indicate that I am decadent. Gee what a strange Christianity you believe in – hate, fear, intolerance mongering.
            Don’t bother to respond, I support your right to have what ever faith you want, however, hypocrisy is unbecoming and does nothing to further the cause of being “Good Christians”. I believe Religion should be taught at home, place of worship, and in schools designated for religious teachings. Religion has no place in the public schools, in work places, public places or in government.

          • joe schmo

            Look what are you an atheist? You just want America to look like our Founding Fathers were anti-Christian. You are far far from wrong. You are projecting an ideology that is simply not there. Most immigrants that came to America were seeking refuge to be able to practice a religion that was not excepted in Europe.

            Separation of Church and State was enacted in 1802 by Thomas Jefferson. Your take on Thomas Jefferson is not set in stone.

            “The religious views of Thomas Jefferson diverged widely from the orthodox Christianity of his day. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, religious studies, and morality. Jefferson was most closely connected with Unitarianism and the religious philosophy of Christian deism; he was sympathetic to and in general agreement with the moral precepts of Christianity. He considered the religion of Christianity as having “the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man.

            However, the Court has not always interpreted the constitutional principle as absolute, and the proper extent of separation between
            government and religion in the U.S. remains an ongoing subject of impassioned debate

            Many early immigrant groups traveled to America to worship freely, particularly after the English Civil War and religious conflict in France and Germany. They included nonconformists like the Puritans, as well as Catholics.

            -The colony of Plymouth was founded by Pilgrims, English Dissenters or Separatists, Calvinists.

            -The colonies of Massachusetts Bay, New Haven, and New Hampshire were founded by Puritan, Calvinist, Protestants.

            -New Netherland was founded by Dutch Reformed Calvinists.

            -The colonies of New York, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia were officially Church of England.

            Your idea that America was not based on religion from the start is absolutely ridiculous. It’s like trying to shine a turd. Nobody ever said that what we had before should not keep working. Why should we even question that. However, secularism has taken over the education system with it’s extreme views and Christianity has been getting attacked. You tend to want to misconstrue history and that is what I resent. You are making it sound like the Founding Fathers were atheists or agnostics. Maybe some were but many many people were Christians and you cannot deny that this Country was not started by Christians. So get over it. Your extreme views are causing this debate. There shouldn’t even be one at all.

          • Grannysmovin

            Thank you – all you have done repeatedly is prove my point. Have a nice day, I know I will.

          • joe schmo

            God bless you to!

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        Ironic, isn’t it? When you consider the new military tactics used by today’s media? They create a blockade when it suits their back room agendas. When it pleases them to “report news” glutted with all manner of deceptive phrases and bias, then, they call themselves the “Free Press.” Now, I ask you..what is “free” about bias?

        • Dominick Vila

          They are free to represent, promote, and defend, the interests of their masters.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            We both know ruthless sensationalism and scandalism isn’t journalism. The problem for these billionaire media moguls who believe their rags can indoctrinate an entire nation is how they will get anyone to buy what they sell. Americans are tough cookies in times of economic hardship. We simply stop buying what they sell because we find it’s a waste of good money we work hard for.

          • joe schmo
        • joe schmo

          Geez, what media? It’s all on your side with the exception of Fox, Limbaugh and Beck. Jarrett met with Murdoch for lunch the other day. This cannot be good. Many issues brought up by Fox and the rest are never brought up in Liberal media either…..

          ….and there is no bias on your side? OMG, seriously.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Geez…You don’t know much do you? Who owns Fox? An Australian, Rupert Murdoch, who in the mid 2000s stated, “I only became an American citizen for the money.” Of course, all media to some degree is biased. All anyone has to do to prove that is pick up a NY Post. (Another Murdochian media rag). I’m talking about straight out blatant schemes to repeat over and over and over the same Manchurian Candidate style indoctrination so the public gets so exhausted by it that they are forced to fall prey to believing it. That my fine feathered friend is what you call “BIAS.”

          • joe schmo

            I know all too well who owns FOX and NY Post. Ahhh, so you actually know the meaning only this time let’s turn it around and face it in your direction because you are the clams that won’t open up to meeting in the middle. You have gotten to the point where you want your cake and you want the whole thing.

            Trust me, there is more than the news that has formed my opinions in life. I have been far from indoctrinated, however; I cannot say that for you all. Like ‘sheeple’ to the slaughter. Unless things change and I hope they do, the problem is that you are dragging us right along with you.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            We are the clams that won’t open up huh? Which is it Know it All? The clams snap the minute you try to get a word in edge wise or they clam up?

            You right wingers are bossy, overbearing, narcissistic little worms most decent, patriotic Americans loathe. And if you think seniors don’t see through your “MY way or the highway” BS think again. NO you won’t force us to vote for the candidate only YOU YOU YOU want. How about get a life? So far since 2009, your GOP held the unemployed hostage unless they got that 2008 Rich Boi tax cut, withheld FEMA funding unless solar funding using one single SolyndraGate BS issue as substantiation and meanwhile, you and your trough feeders get back nearly $2 for every dollar you pay in federal taxes while the liberal states are lucky to get back 65 cents. Get your brain out of your anal cavity Mr. MANhood. You impress no one but the blockheaded DogPatch freeloaders living off MY state’s hard earned taxes.

          • joe schmo

            Unbeknownst clams that have no clue.

            Americans loathe? Nope, we are still Americans. When it gets bad enough and you have no food on the table and your money can no longer buy much, the pendulum will swing the other way:) July 1st will truly test our sustenance.

            OMG, get over the green thing. Europe has already woke up to the fact. Environmental wackos have made millions off you fools. If you really want to help the planet why not start a nonprofit to help China and South America clean up their pollution mess and clean up their water ways. Only a wealthy country can focus on cleaning up their environment. OK brainiac, if we become a 3rd world nation how do you propose to pay for cleanup?

            Your states hard earned taxes? Ahuh, I live in a Blue piece of shit state. 4 of the cities listed on the top 10 about to declare bankruptcy are in my state. We are broke, broke, broke. Give me a break! We are the ones who have lived off the stimulus that we cannot pay back. What you state is laughable.

          • jmprint

            And your kind will die, because you are not survivers, you are whiners, and you can’t survive on that. You sound so unhappy and sad, i feel for you.

          • joe schmo

            Sad! No not me. Just aware. Whining. Not really. Sticking up for Conservatives and clearing up the bullshit you have all been fed about us. Yup. To make you aware that this rift has to stop and we need to meet in the middle once again. Yup.

            We are survivors…. If someone isn’t a survivor it’s you people. We are surrounded by the ‘rednecks’ (yah right), the bikers, many veterans, some law enforcement and military. Not survivors, huh. Who’s side would I rather be on if things turn to shit. Certainly not yours…. You city people are nothing but hot air…..

            You feel for me? I rather doubt it. Your typical emotional liberal side is showing.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Trust you? When the only bias that you can mentally process is regurgitated from your rich billionaire cronies? Try again Joi Boi. The problem is the very thing you oppose is costing me and the rest of liberals to work our asses off while your states lap up our federal tax dollars for archaic relic industries while we also get to pay to clean up your pollution. Need a job? Become a right wing polluter. That way you get to slob up the planet and someone else will pay for it. Big Rich TX …That Whole Other Country..That can’t live without MY state’s tax dollars.

          • joe schmo

            July 1st, my dear. July 1st. We will see where the tables turn.

            How many times to I need to upload this Eleanore. This article is so true.

            http://nikitas3.com/1083/why-are-so-many-rich-people-liberals/

            FU – you have to work your asses off because your Man has made our corporate taxes and regulations the highest in the world. You can thank your Man for all these problems.

            Those big Red supposed leaching states that you mention are doing way better than the loser liberal states like California and New York. They are paying off their debt and have the most job incentives. My hope is that every single conservative leaves the state of NY. Who in the Hell in their right mind wants to live in these states including Chicago. What do you think will be left when the tax base leaves? Yah, Texas is an entity all its own. I believe, if things don’t change in this country, there will be liberal states and conservative states. Maybe even a divide. India split 3 times. Wouldn’t surprise me. Blue states successful. LOLOLOLOL you can take ALL the freeloaders…..and pay for their care too.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Of course RED states are doing better. They live off the tax subsidies from MY state. Try again CON man. Already MS has voted against your Tea Party Bullies. My state gets a lousy 61 cents back for the $1.80 RED states get back on average. Need proof? Got to the GAO and see which are the freeloader states and which aren’t. Every man, woman and child in red state Alaska gets a $1200 tax subsidy just for living there. If that is a con, what do you call it? Texas is already losing Big Oil market share and along with it that $14 billion a year it eats up of MY tax dollars. Blues states don’t rely on fossil fuels like Big Oil, coal and fracking. We have already converted to renewables which are creating jobs and manufacturing in the Northeast for the first time. Must hurt Big Rich Texas That Whole Other Country that can’t live without $14 billion a year for Big Oil Big Daddies. Now that Oil is no longer the only option, many people in my state, half a million and counting to be exact are getting off the oil addiction. We don’t run guns or create red state prison industries that eat up federal tax dollars. Time for you bois to shove it up your anal cavities. Blue states are fed up handing over $50 billion a year to Red states who can’t support themselves without help from the Federal government and then have the testicles to bitch about deficits? When you red state ASS politicians shut down the government, Alaskan fishermen took the hit..Brilliant Joi Boi..try again. Your days are numbered in politics. Blue state people are not going to work to keep red states living off our federal tax dollars. That’s OUR brand of Conservatism done the right way.

          • joe schmo

            This Blue piece of crap state that I live in, Eleanor has taken more than its share and then some. NY and our state are on the bottom of the list in creating money and jobs. We are one of the highest welfare states in the union. The tax base is leaving. The only Blue state that I know of that is doing great is Washington State.

            Wouldn’t be because some of you Dems helped Coburn get back in would it? He is so old I’m surprised he isn’t senile. Gee and what lives mostly in Alaska. Low lifes and Eskimos. I wouldn’t even use that state as a comparison.

            That is where you are wrong about oil. Coal is something that is going away but natural gas. Well, that is another story and it seems that it will be around for some time. Well, my hope is that some of these most hated states secede. Maybe……we can split the country. How about that? It was suggested by someone on this very site and I think it is a great idea. You can keep your handouts and we won’t need them. Where do you suppose the freeloaders will go when they no longer get the freebies in the Red States? You got em and you can have em. Problem is that all those same freeloaders will try to come into the Red states for jobs. That is why they are there. It is well known that Blue states have the highest taxes and that is how they afford to pay for their poor. But when the tax base leaves…..watch out!

            Red states DO NOT NEED Blue states. I know that for sure.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            If you live in Maine or northern NY, you aren’t necessarily in a blue state. And, NY isn’t one of the highest welfare states. MS, TN, KY, take your pick..these are the highest welfare states.

            First of all, your post is so ridden with biased lies, it’s hard to know where to begin. So let’s start with facts proven not just by states with conservative freeloaders but by statistics over a lengthier period of time..the GAO and CBO. Last year, NPR did an interview with Texas, who claims a lion’s share of border protection tax subsidies. It’s DOL chief stated and I quote, “Texas can’t live without illegals. They do jobs Texans won’t do.” So we hand a red state $14 billion for Big Oil which is another dying industry long past its viability, pay 50% of the Exxon Valdez fine and cleanups from oil spills along the Maine coast and New Mexico and then, we hand these same states billions in FEMA funding for wild fires our northeastern states rarely have and tornadoes. NJ (my state) has not forgotten Rand Paul’s rotten lousy refusal to hand NJ, NY and CT FEMA funding for super storm Sandy. Yet, the money in FEMA comes largely from blue, not red states. NJ gets 61 cents for every $1 we pay in federal taxes. NY gets 62 cents. CT gets 65 cents..all blue states. Sorry but when Alaska gets $1.87 for every $1 it pays, I want an end to the inequity of dispersement of our federal tax dollars. It is not up to blue states to be the sole support of freeloader red states. AL is typical. Rather than take funding for unemployment for their unemployed, they shift them onto SSDI which comes out of the federal kitty…for illnesses people up north work with every day of every year: high cholesterol, Adult Type II diabetes and high blood pressure. So why does AL get to save $2 billion a year and help themselves to federal dole outs?

          • joe schmo

            LOLOLOL…..does CaliMexico sound familiar? Wrong coast my dear. California takes the cake of all cakes. Loooossser state! Governor Moonbeam sold us down the drain before and he is doing the same now. Frickin railroad has been stalled for now. Thank God. How was he going to fund the SOB. Yah, solar panels….LOL Polluting our environment every so many miles.

            NPR! What a joke of jokes. I wouldn’t trust anything Soros owns if my life depended on it. He is a crook! He almost ruined England and now he is cooking the US…….and, and…….California like Texas can’t live without the illegals. BULLSHIT! Do you realize how much these people are costing this state? You have no clue what is going on. I live here. I see it every f’ing day. No jobs, preferential treatment, social welfare, free food stamps. If you work and you are a migrant you get free milk and cheese for the babies. The colleges won’t get funding unless they include Hispanics. There is a bias to hire Hispanics in the workplace. They get all the Union jobs. They are pushing out Americans. We are examples of that one losing two different jobs to them. This state is broke, broke, broke. We have to pay super high taxes. People can barely afford to live here because everything is so high. Kids cannot buy homes so they live with Mommie and Daddy. Food is high and going higher. Gas is through the roof because of all the additives that have to be added to gasoline. Jobs. What jobs? Unless you are a Hispanic and speak the language your chances are slim. Now they are starting to abuse American citizens. All because your corrupt politicians want the vote. I don’t really give a crap what you have to say about NY and NJ and FEMA and SSDI. I hope every single Conservative leaves NY and takes their business elsewhere. You are full of shit. If you don’t live in a state like this you have no clue what so ever! This state and NY are on the bottom of the barrel. I predict in a short time they will end up like Detriot. I just stated that 4 of the 10 cities in the US getting close to bankruptcy are in California. LOOK IT UP if you don’t believe me. Living it is the truth. Writing can misconstrue the truth and becomes heresay. With no balance to save us you can only blame your self for the last 6 bad years. Even though he was not the greatest, no more blaming it on Bush.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Trying to prove a negative my fine feathered friend? First of all go to the IRS website. Find out what CA gets back for the $1 they pay in federal taxes. Is it equal to Texas? Arizona? Alaska? Mississippi? As for George Soros..he isn’t nearly as wealthy as your Koch bois. Try again. The combine wealth of Charles and David Koch equal the entire wealth of 40% of Americans as was recently posted by AP worldwide. Texas DOL in an interview on NPR in May 2012 stated very plainly that “Texas can’t do without illegals.” Go to the NPR site if your raisins for testicles haven’t overloaded your brain. Look in the archives for that interview. I’ve now given you 2 sources. As for the Northeast, where else is there a Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Wall Street? CA is known for its hi-tech industry. Ever hear of Silicon Valley loser? You see only what your biased eyes allow you to see. I can see a Purple People Eater if I happen to see you crossing the street if I was as biased as you are. Your hatefulness and anger comes from parents who dumped you into Daycare at 6 weeks old where you had to fight for attention amid dozens of other squalling McBrats of the Great OverIndulged Yuppie Generation.

          • Billie

            Raisins for testicles?

          • jmprint

            The nation is better then it was 6 years ago, and you know it, you don’t like other people advancing (of color that is) I get it, but you are no better then other humans, you’re the same, pinch yourself does it hurt? Now go take a crap, is it gold, silver or brown, you see you are no different. The blame on stagnation is owned by the GOP.

          • joe schmo

            Seriously! Bull! No its not……GDP did not grow at the beginning of the year and yesterday it was at -2.9. What does that mean? NO Growth.

            1st and 2nd quarter 2009, -5.4. 3rd and 4th quarter 2009 up to 3.9%. Not anymore.

            You have to stop this race crap because it is untrue specifically where I am concerned. You use it as a political ruse nothing more. If anyone is the racist suppressing ethnics it is you and your ilk. Keep them ignorant so they are dependent on you. No you don’t want to promote intelligence in ethnic groups because you would lose your base. Besides you discriminate against your own kind. Good luck on that one when things go sour.

            Highest Corporate taxes, highest regulations on business in the WORLD. NO JOBS. Plenty of part timers. Outsourcing galore. Even the Obummercare website was outsourced. Soon Obummercare will end up like the VA. No quality. No pipeline (insanity) especially now that the Middle East is a mess. International relations are in the tank. Russia hates us and bullies us and China uses us. Immigration is a disaster and now the Mexicans are taunting us by firing on our border patrol agents on the ground and in the air. America gave South America 2 billion to keep their people at home. LOL Your ideology is so F’d up. I could just go on and on. ‘Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows.

            Look it up if you don’t believe me:)

          • jmprint

            What are you looking at.

          • joe schmo

            ….and where may I ask did this come from and don’t tell me a Liberal think tank….. GDP did not gain an ounce at the beginning of the year. It is at -2.9 at the moment. Not quite as low as 2009 but gaining ground……

          • jmprint

            Be careful Joe your are the minority NOW!

          • joe schmo

            I hope you eat dirt in the next election. How arrogant. Lame duck comes to mind. You minion bullies will do anything underhanded to stay at the top. You should be so proud to be Americans. The pendulum always swings back the other way….. Can’t wait to see that happen one day and will you be shocked!

          • jmprint

            I have always wondered what you do for a living.

          • joe schmo

            You have NO clue…….LOLOLO

      • Mark Forsyth

        Just goes to show that Wall Street isn’t the only thing that owned by the Nefarious Forces.

    • plc97477

      They may have put the kibosh on his running because he is well known as one of the only politicians that has lost to a dead man.

    • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

      Cheney would not release the secret meeting information he had with the oil companies. After that oil prices went up to $4.50 a gallon and unheard of price then.

      • JSquercia

        Let’s not forget that he got his crony Scalia to rule in his favr after they went duck hunting together . Scalia probably glad he didn’t get shot in the face
        What was really outrageous was the fact that we could not even know WHO was at the meeting . I could perhaps understand the logic that the contents might need to be kept confidential so that the principals would give HONEST opinions but I see NO reason why we can’t find out WHO was in attendance

    • Dominick Vila

      Listening to Cheney giving advice and voicing conclusions about Iraq is like getting advice on fire prevention from an arsonist.

    • joe schmo

      Speak for yourselves…

      http://nikitas3.com/1083/why-are-so-many-rich-people-liberals/

      It’s a one sided coin. The only side you will look at. Get over it. Cheney is out. We have enough to deal with nowadays. All that liberal ideology (on both sides mind you because the RINO’s are no better than you are) floating around American airspace like a stench that won’t go away.

  • charleo1

    Well, sure Cheney’s outrageous. They were all outrageous. Cheney,Wolfowitz, Rice, Rumsfeld. But seriously, if we’re waiting from any contriteness, or humility, any accountability, or a smidgeon of truth, from any of them. That would make us the bigger fools, and not them. Personally I feel Obama made an error in judgement in not putting the lot of them before Congress, and the Country. And after finding them guilty of intentional malfeasance, by speciously manipulating intelligence, and in many instances, just inventing, (read that as purposefully lying) to Congress, our Allies, and The American people. To lead the Country into a quagmire. Then promptly send them jail. I do understand the reasons the new President made the decision he did. And not one of us is capable of 20/20 hindsight. I think President Obama, with the Country in such a mess, was hoping for cooperation from a very humbled opposition. Seems silly now, does;t it? No, It’s evident now he should have been more like they, the Republican Party would surely have been, had the shoe been on the other foot. Brought everyone up on a big charges, strutted around in front of the cameras for weeks, and humiliated every public official associated with the boondoggle, until their political organization was completely discredited, and all the ringleaders were sent off to the hoosegow. And given some of the garbage I’ve heard out of this bunch over the past several days. In hindsight, they’ve proven to me, that’s exactly what should have been done!

    • sigrid28

      They got another bite of the apple, and look how well they’ve done with it.

      • Allan Richardson

        Except Lear had ONE GOOD daughter (whom he killed).

        • sigrid28

          Under one interpretation, even a good daughter could not survive Lear’s decrepit ambition, that caused his most loyal supporter to have to remain loyal to him in disguise. I speak of Kent. Cordelia might have survived had she not ventured to save her father from her sisters by returning with here husband and an army from France. One more slight comparison: Obama should avoid re-entering the warspace of Iraq at all costs, if this tale is any example.

    • highpckts

      Hear, hear!

    • plc97477

      I wonder if he knew how much obstruction they were planning on doing, how obstinate they were going to be if he would have made the same decision. He tried to make nice so they would not become assholes and they did it anyway.

  • kingartie1

    Cheney’s comments merely regurgitate all the smoke and mirrors that were used to justify the armed takeover of Iraq in ’03. That’s what it was: an armed takeover, not regime change, not liberation, certainly not confiscating those pesky, invisible WMDs. Give us your tired oil fields, your military bases near Syria and Iran yearning to be free, and de facto ownership of the land of Abraham.
    Cheney’s comments would seem to reflect the amphibology–go ahead, Dick, look it up–of someone whose own motives and understanding of those motives is confused, at best, or who is deliberately misleading the unknowing, which of course is far worse. In fact, if he and his cabal there in W’s White House were willfully misinforming the public about the purpose of this “shock and awe” (did you ever hear a more ludicrous phrase in your life?) than that, indeed, is the foolishness and betrayal and yes, I’ll say it, treason Cheney is right handedly referring to.
    This fossil of the Cold War mindset, “if you will”, (his signature phrase is an irksome attempt to be professorial and dignified) ought to just sit down and shut up, his game of musical chairs is over.

    • highpckts

      I would certainly hope so but the American people listen to who sounds more “patriotic” than who has the most common sense! We like to throw out our chest and pump our fists! Unfortunately, more than half of America is like that with the other half not saying anything because they feel threatened with the other halfs madness and their penchant for guns!

      • plc97477

        The way I see American politics is that the repugs were the bullies in school pushing kids around and taking their lunch money. the Dems were the kids being pushed around. It is hard for the pushees to learn how to push back but I think sometimes they do just that.

        • highpckts

          Well they need to do more of it! I am sick and tired of having their “ideals” and “hate” upheld because of our lack of chutzpah!!!

  • jakenhyde

    It was/is impossible for Obama to take America “down a notch” from where Dubya and Dickie left it. There was no place to go but up.

    • 1standlastword

      Ya can’t argue with a madman!!!!!

    • FredAppell

      It wouldn’t be so bad for us to be taken down a peg or two. It might even serve to restore some of our credibility in the world if only we could learn some humility. I think the world has been waiting a long time for us to stop thumping our chest like a school yard bully.

      • joe schmo

        Humility? Are you kidding already. There is a word called ‘respect.’ At the moment, something we don’t have from the rest of the world. Are you ashamed of this Country? Then get out!

    • joe schmo

      You call this up. Wow, then I guess I am wondering how we get out of hell in the near future.

  • ps0rjl

    I don’t have the words to tell how much I despise that lying pig. Let’s just say Dick could have been a general in Hitler’s inner circle. I hate everything about that draft-dodging lying pig. At least GWB had the decency to go back to Texas and keep quiet. This lying pig who sent thousands of our finest to get killed and thousands more to get maimed should be sent to the Hague to stand trial for his war crimes. Maybe even a few of his neocon friends like Feith and Wolfowitz could accompany him. I still hope to someday p*ss on his grave. Isn’t it interesting that Cheney and his cabal of neocons never spent a day in the military. Cowards who had no problem sending our brave boys and girls into a war based on their lies.

  • Elvis Stephens

    He’s a Gangster and a Thug. Remember he shot a man during their hunting trip. I really don’t believe it was an accident, it was a Gangster move.

    • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

      The mystery of the shooting is that the police were told not to come to the house until the next day. That is astounding. The lady that owned the house and the ‘hunting’ property when she was interviewed alone said there was no booze served at lunch before the hunt….then Cheney said he just had one beer. Interesting. Lies and more lies.

      • Mark Forsyth

        A lie is a terrible thing to mind.Whether it be heart or mind,Cheney suffers from a deficit that results in a busted moral compass.

  • disqus_Cc20uRF6eN

    CHeney…….EVIL man with an even more EVIL smile.

    • CPAinNewYork

      When i saw that picture I didn’t realize that it’s Cheney. He really looks awful. What a mess!

      • nurse

        Pity the poor person’s heart that was transplanted in him. Hope he rejects, that will be the end of him.

        • Mark Forsyth

          To be sure,the donor rests in peaceful bliss even if the heart went to a waste of humanity who still doesn’t have one.

    • highpckts

      He does have an especially evil smile!! I hate his face!

      • plc97477

        I swear if you look hard enough you can see the beginnings of horns on his head.

  • howa4x

    I think Cheney is the gift the democrats have been praying for. He is so arrogant in his foolishness that even FOX news challenged him in an interview. He wants to make Iraq and the reason we went in there a central focus of American politics even though the republicans are running away. He wants to have the debate about WMD’s all over again, and will leave himself open to other charges like how Halliburton got a 6 billion no bid contract for Iraq. Of course Cheney was the former CEO of the company and has a blind trust account of it’s stock. Yes Dick lets talk about how Obama is leading from behind and how we need to invade more countries. I’m sure that will go over well in post Iraq America. Even Glen Beck has come out against military action in Iraq. Now that something Cheney should be afraid of

    • RobGinChicago

      Hey, Neocons, once you’ve lost Glenn Beck… (and he’s sure as hell no Walter Cronkite.)

  • Independent1

    I’m not sure there’s much I can add that hasn’t been posted by others on such a devious/evil person as “tricky Dick”, but for those who haven’t seen it, here from Mother Jones is the lie by lie spewed by virtually everyone in the Bush Administration that got us into Iraq in the first:

    Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline

  • http://www.bikeXways.org TKJohnson1948

    Elsewhere in the Cheneys’ rant they refer to ” dire need for American leadership around the world.” Would that be the leadership that stole California and neighboring territory from Mexico? Would that be the leadership that wrested control of the Hawaiian Islands from the original Hawaiian people? Would that be the leadership that prolonged the reign of the Shah of Iran, laying the foundation for the last 35 years of turmoil in that country? Would that be the leadership that gave us “regime change” in Guatemala and in the Congo (the latter through the assassination of Patrice Lumumba)?
    While it is true that the U.S. helped Europe defeat Hitler, the Brits and the French had asked for our help. U.S. involvement in WW II was very different from the behavior of bullies like Cheney or the Dulles brothers, who imposed their worldviews on other nations through brute force, ignoring the views of their citizens and the legitimate rulers alike.

    • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

      Also, We were attacked by Japan which brought us into the war. Then Germany and Japan made a pact which finally brought us into the whole world war. FDR and Churchill had a lot of intelligence and know how between them. They were only looking for the war to be over and peace. Unlike Bush and Cheney who wanted power and oil.

  • AlfredSonny

    When will these rich murderers and rich beggars face FAIR justice?

    • CPAinNewYork

      When will these rich murderers and rich beggars face FAIR justice? Never, as long as we have this lousy government.

    • highpckts

      Never as long as the American peple cower to the right!!

    • Mark Forsyth

      Sadly,we may need to be content to let a “Higher Power” deliver the justice those bastards require.

  • Thepoorman

    Why does nobody put them into jail? Charged with murder of thousands of innocent citizens all over the world! Specially in Iraq…But no, I saw his good friend George.W. on TV and he looked real fine. Sunburnt on his beautiful farm and even did oils. The wolve in sheep`s clothing…But I know deep inside themselves these Cheneys and Bushs know that they are evil criminals.Oh,did I make a mistake now? NSA anywhere?

    • Mark Forsyth

      I’ve nothing with which to back this up but I suspect a real possibility that anyone who heads up an effort to put Cheney and Bush in jail might be risking their life.

  • latebloomingrandma

    I read the op-ed yesterday, and except for Dick’s quotes, I think this was written by his evil spawn, Liz. I could hear her voice as i read it. It sounded like everything she has said on Fox. No original thoughts or introspection or analysis. Rachel has been trying to interview her for years, but Liz is apparently too scared to engage with a thinking person who actually does homework.
    People can complain all they want about Obama, but thank God we have a President with an analytical mind, and understands about other cultures and how the world has changed.

    • sigrid28

      President Obama surrounds himself with experts and listens to them. The return of upheaval in Iraq brings into focus a different style of leadership that dominated during the GWB administration: follow the leader. Prior to the 2014 and 2016 elections, it can only be a good thing that these two vastly different styles of leadership are making headlines. Even low-information voters can see the difference.

  • http://gmail.com FAMULLAR

    HOLD ON When it comes down to it, we get a warped view of overseas shows in the UK. Unless something is pretty successful in the first place, we’re unlikely to get wind of it, and unless it comes highly recommended we’re not going to bother checking it out.

    So by the time Breaking Bad was on everyone’s lips, it had been through a dual screening process. Helped along by all the hype from America and online, this not only makes us all want to see what the fuss is about, but also makes it much harder for the show not to be good. When was the last time we heard endless rave reviews about a BBC show before we had got round to seeing it?

    Of course, great TV can and should come from anywhere. It adds depth and variety to our viewing, and inspires new creative trends that enrich the medium as a whole.

    But if suddenly all overseas TV were to disappear without a trace, it’d be less of a tragedy than somebody taking a blowtorch to the BBC archive. We shouldn’t just be proud, like Danny Cohen says – we should be evangelical.

    • Sand_Cat

      Well, thank you for that, too.
      Guess that BBC stuff is just too high above your comprehension and educational level: try Desperate Housewives, Keeping Up with the Kardashians, 19 Kids and Counting, and Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader? Oops, that last may not be a good one for you.

  • http://gmail.com FAMULLAR

    ONLY about ten percent are hardcore defenders. About 30% believe everything that the 10% spews out to them. The remaining 60% don’t have a clue…they roam the streets of San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angelas, Atlanta, Detroit and New York City and they absolutely have no effing clue – - just watch the man in the street interviews! They can’t tell you who the first president was. They can’t tell the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. They have absolutely no idea what the war between the states was about. Pearl Harbor is a mystery to them. Ask them about the conestoga wagon and they will scratch their heads and say, “Doesn’t the car company that President Obama runs make those?” They are illiterate and they are downright stupid. And the worst part? That is exactly how the Democrats, Department of Education and the unions want them…illiterate and stupid. And that is exactly how 42% of America’s population continues to support a criminal in the white house.

    • highpckts

      Boy are you WAY OFF BASE!! I agree that most of the American people are illiterate and uneducated and could care less what is going on in the world but that is because with their lower IQ they listen to people like Beck, Limbaugh, etc.! They don’t have the good sense to check any facts. They mouthe what they hear on their favorite radio station!

    • Sinse Milla

      So let me get this straight…… in that barren wasteland that you call a brain, one of the most brilliant presidents the US has ever had is a “criminal” did i get that right? LMFAO……. then what the eff would you call all the rapist and plunderous reTHUG presidents who’ve so fuuked and raped this country that its virtually unrecognizable? And now President Obama is tasked with cleaning these Augean stables. LMFAO

    • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

      Yes, many people don’t care about politics or history, what has that got to do with the President? George W. Bush was one of our dumbest Presidents. While President Obama is one of our smartest, along with Clinton, FDR, and JFK. You call other people stupid….read your own rant.

    • Sand_Cat

      Well, we now know a least one person with “no effing clue.” I suppose there’s no point in mentioning that areas with uneducated dimwits in the majority tend to go Republican in elections, but thanks for letting us all know unequivocally what a clueless moron you are.

  • ChristoD

    Every time I see or read something from this narcissist, I get physically ill and outraged. He not only got us into this predicament but LIED doing it and convinced a very naïve President to go along with an obvious catastrophic decision. Cheney is a war criminal and should be tried by an international war criminal court, plain and simple. To give him, and his lame family, ONE SECOND of attention is tantamount to helping this war criminal.

  • ORAXX

    No American in history took this country’s international reputation deeper into the gutter than Dick Cheney. I know of no politician who ever got things more disastrously wrong than he did, and did so without a trace of conscience. His popularity was inching its way to single digits when he left office, and yet he summons up is portentous gravitas, and denigrates a man who has had to spend his time in the White House, cleaning up after the worst administration in U.S. history.

    • http://www.bikeXways.org TKJohnson1948

      Hi Oraxx. If you read Stephen Kinzer’s book “The Brothers” you might conclude that the Dulles brothers did even more damage than Cheney and W. I’m certainly no fan of the Bush/Cheney regime, but John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles may have been an even worse “dynamic duo.” What’s more, the Dulles brothers acted largely on their own, whereas Cheney had help from Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz and other delusional individuals. Mother Jones had a concise cover story about the selling of the Iraq war several years ago. It was entitled “The Lie Factory” and is available online for free.
      Just Google “Mother Jones the lie factory.”

      • Sand_Cat

        Agreed.

  • browninghipower

    Obama’s biggest mistake..letting cheeenee and his pals get off scott free; Pelosi’s greatest mistake, ‘Impeachment is off the table.’ Dems are fucking cowards. But I eagerly await cheeenee’s death so I can piss on his grave…often.

    • plc97477

      You will have to wait in line. There is a long line of others already making plans. I hope they don’t bury him in Arlington it would be a shame to flood that esteemed cemetery.

      • Sand_Cat

        He’s not a veteran. If they were to try it, hopefully there would be a massive protest, and if it went ahead, hopefully someone would dig him up and dump the corpse in the nearest landfill with the other toxic garbage.

    • Independent1

      Let me offer a little different perspective on possibly why more wasn’t done to prosecute Bush and Cheney when Obama first took office.

      It’s my feeling that Obama had hopes that he could somehow overcome the animosity being shown by he GOP when he first took office and actually get them into being willing to accept some of the initiatives that he saw were needed to get America back on track from the Great Recession where millions upon millions of people were struggling to survive.

      That may well have been wishful thinking, but one thing is for sure, had Obama had Holder go on the offensive and start looking to indict Bush and Cheney for corruption and dereliction of duty, you could well kiss any idea of bipartisanship goodbye with respect to getting the GOP to join in on trying to mend an economy that was in free fall; and unfortunately, when it became clear that no matter how hard he may try the GOP was going to be obstructionists, I think Obama and Holder felt that it was too late to start pressing charges. The country was just not in the economic situation to have endured the media sideshow that would have arisen had the Obama administration tried to prosecute the Bush Administration for their obvious nefarious actions.

      And it’s not just Bush and Cheney who in my mind are deserving of being in jail, there are a number of GOP Reps in the House and Senate who also have committed very treasonous actions by meeting on the night of Obama’s inauguration, to deliberately plot ways to sabotage the U.S. economy. The absolute obstruction that we’ve seen from the GOP the past 6 years hasn’t just been a party getting together thing, it’s been an actual plot concocted by about a dozen GOP reps and senators along with Newt Gingrich.

      See this, if you haven’t seen it already:

      UPDATE: Eric Cantor Plotted to Sabotage US Economy in Secret Meeting with Hensarling & Luntz

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/11/1306103/-Eric-Cantor-Jeb-Hensarling-Kevin-McCarthy-Plotted-to-Sabotage-US-Economy-in-Secret-Meeting

  • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

    He’s baaaaaack! Hide the children! Cheney and his mean daughter Lizzie threw their gay sister/daughter under the bus for their own political purposes. If they would do that, they are capable of anything. Watching and listening to those two buffoons is sickening. They broke Iraq, and now they are blaming President Obama. I applaud our President for getting us out of that quagmire. The Middle East will have to have their own civil wars without us. They did not come in and meddle in our Civil War.

  • elw

    I found the video of the two of them comical. Cheney was, dressed like a cowboy, wearing make-up and his daughter had as much expression on her as a plastic doll. The whole video would have gotten many laughs as a routine on a late night comedy show. Cheney may have chutzpah, but everything he is perfectly reflex the Conservative Right he represents. They are wrong for the Country and just plain wrong on just about everything.

  • matt

    i hate this pompous bastard more than my own life and want to dispatch him with extreme predjudice

  • jointerjohn

    Given the chummy relationship between the Bushs and the Saudis, and the fact that the Saudis are bankrolling ISIS, Cheney lipping off comes as no surprise at all. If our President was to be praised by this man, now that would be an embarrassment.

  • Sand_Cat

    “Chutzpah” as defined in the article doesn’t even come close to describing Dick Cheney’s actions..
    Let’s try massive hypocrisy, unbelievable dishonesty, and limitless malice, just to get started on the description of Dick Cheney. We can then add torturer, war criminal, perpetrator of crimes against humanity, and just plain obnoxious bastard.

  • 1standlastword

    When this crotch rot Cheney is finally dead, how will we and the world at large eulogize it? I think he deserves a reward for being the meanest spirited person of the new century: That’s how I’d eulogize him! His mechanical way of regarding human life fits perfectly with that of a sociopath. To him, his fellow humans are simply machines designed for the purpose of worshipping his ideals. I wish I believed in leprechauns because then I could rest easy that he would be justly dealt with in the end; but, since I don’t he is an affliction for me because he stands as evidence that evil can thrive in my life time. Even after being give a second lease on life–something that softens most–he remains as hard as a stone. Mr. Cheney you will die hard, sad and broken for the damage you have reeked on your fellow humans: That is what I believe

  • labman57

    Cheney, along with his clueless wife and soulless daughter, continues his attack on Obama in a desperate attempt to salvage his own damaged legacy.

    Meanwhile, civilized society continues to attack the Cheney clan for abandoning our nation’s constitutionally-guaranteed right to due process, as well as the fundamental tenets of human rights.

    How about outing a CIA operative in an act of retribution for her husband’s exposing the rationale behind the Iraq invasion to be a fraud perpetrated upon Congress and the American public?

    Oh, and Dickie is still searching for those phantom WMDs.

    • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

      Well, at least W is no longer looking under his desk for WMD’s, laughing while our military were dying. He is busy painting his toes. It’s too bad he didn’t take up the arts before he decided to play President.

  • disqus_il6KG9d3VM

    The Dick and Lizzie horror show. Watch it on the Fox tea party station, and on the Rush radio show for low info ditto heads.

  • Bryan Blake

    Mr. Dionne is right. “Chutzpah” is all you can say about Darth Vader and his dastardly daughter.

  • ExRadioGuy15

    All of this squawking by the Chicken Hawks no longer in office (and even from some who are) is attributable to one thing: legacy. Well, that and history. Right now, history and legacy doesn’t look kindly on the Iraq War and the pathetic lies the Bush 43 administration told to get us into that debacle. No amount of “spin” or BS will change history. The GOP and Bush 43 “own” this debacle…they might as well admit it.

  • Andrew T. Armstrong

    This is a election year, and next year will be an election year. Why you people get you blood boiling over this stuff is beyond me. It is politics, who smears the most, is noticed the most, and that carries to the polls. Use your brain. Outside of the GOP, no one cares what Cheney thinks.

    • Sand_Cat

      C’mon, let us vent. And Cheney still gets on TV, so someone does care.

  • gramma goldie

    Evil is as evil does.

  • charles king

    I have always believe that our country was about Democracy and now I know Democracy, the VOTE, and the People start doing some (Critical Thinking) We the people can solve the problems that have occurred in the last four generations with these (Greedy Capitalistic Pigs, Plutocracts, Do-Nothing Republicans and Democracts, Commissioners) Who? are riding on the coat-tail of our Democracy.MONIES has cause some concern but We know Who? the takers are and you can always Vote their asses out, man or woman that is What? make our Democracy so powerful When? it is used. Obama got re-elected, Obama Care is being accepted like it works, like Social Security works, Medic-Care works, Public Education works, Unions works, J A Z Z works, all the things pertaining to Freedom works, When? you use Critical Thinking along with your Vote there is nothing that can stop D E M O C R A C Y so get busy and put the right people in office to keep your Democracy alive!. Thank You are the magic words in my book. I Love Ya All. Mr. C. E. KING

  • nana4gj

    I wouldn’t call this “Churzpah”. I call it the rantings of an evil, mad man, akin to the late Iranian little man who was so outrageously bizarre that not even his Ayatollah could stand him; like bin Laden exorting his followers to Jihad; like old Arafat and his representatives who would go on American TV and spout things that did not make sense, flew in the face of facts, and yet, sounded half convincing because they said it loudly and with conviction, either because they needed to believe it or were in denial or just acted out of knee-jerk instinct.

    Cheney is not senile, nor is he anoxic from insufficient blood supply to vital bodily organs. He has always been a dark and devious man with weird ideas. When he locked in his position with Haliburton, he found the perfect outlet to unleash his dark and devious ways because there were no rules, no pesky accountability, as long as he made money for them.

    He is a con man, manipulating and weaseling his way into the Vice Presidency, which wasn’t that hard to do with the inexperienced, naive, narrowminded, and Oedipal suffering boy-man he was “counseling” and then served with as Vice President.

    Never before in the history of this country have we ever had as a Vice President such an evil man who did more evil to so many. Count them up, over 3,000 lives on 9/11 because Mr. Know-It-All didn’t know how to read intelligence briefs or what to do about them, or maybe he ignored it on purpose; 4,000 + American soldiers in combat in a disastrous war built on lies and hubris, more of them maimed for life; untold numbers of Iraquis; and all of those “enhancely tortured”, and he STILL never found bin Laden, never found WMDs, never created an oil empire, and never did anything to set in place the makings of a “free and democratic Iraq”.

    He left a mess in Afghanistan, which he deserted on his way to Iraq; a mess in Iraq, handpicking either Maliki or Chalaby neither of whom was fit; demolished infrastructure; and disturbing a hornet’s nest to swarm all over the region and the world.

    Generosity would suggest that we give them the benefit of the doubt, that they believed they were doing the right thing, but failed. In which case, they might have realized long ago that they had been wrong in concept and implementation and in outcome and that their behavior our of office might be a bit more dignified and statesmanlike, even if they could not publicly admit to being wrong and/or apologize, in the best interests of the country, left to pay for their obvious mistakes.

    But, to a one, from top to bottom, none of them have the courage, the dignity, the integrity, the conscience, to behave in any other way and insist on claiming that they and only they know the absolute right way to do this thing and that anything this Administration does is wrong, gravely wrong. Find and capture bin Laden???it was because of all the great work they did while looking for WMDs in Iraq,

    It may be guilty conscience too great to bear; it may be a huge chip on their shoulders; it may be sour grapes; it may be pure evilness; it may be denial; it is NOT chutzpah, which implies the need for a bit of bravery or courage. It takes neither bravery or courage to do what this man and his merry bunch of henchmen do. It takes a complete lack of character and competence; a deep and dark sense of evil; and, in the case of this daughter, Liz, somewhat of a disturbing personality disorder because she looks like hell in that comedy of a video with her cowboy Dad, as if she has completely decompensated. Everyone in that Cheney family, with the exception of Mary who lives her own life on her terms, believes themselves to be experts on all things re national security because their name is Cheney. That’s not chutzpah; that’s insanity, delusions of grandeur, and a lot of chips on a lot of shoulders from these that should have been but never came to be.

    They should all of them, just hush; go away; and heal themselves.

  • http://panicdisorderandalcoholismrecovery.com/ Michael J. Smith

    The really pathetic thing is that Republicans continue to degrade the Democratic Party with libel and slander. They believe that any press is good press for them. Cheney’s message is another feeble attempt at such an agenda. I think in the upcoming elections we would do well to ignore the smear campaigns of our competitors whenever possible, to stand firm in or convictions and to remember Lincoln’s words: “With malice toward none, with charity for all, let us strive to finish the work we are in.”

  • Habib Seraj

    the eight years of Junta regime of Bush/Cheney destroyed the American hope, the American dream, and any prospect of peace in Iraq, Afghanistan,Syria, Palestine….

  • atc333

    Obviously, with Cheney’s latest comments, He has obviously he developed a very selective case of Alzheimers, which strangely spans the exact period of time that He and Bush II worked together to engage this nation in two wars, on credit as they hiding the casualties coming home in the middle of the night, all planned to lull this nation into not even realizing we were in Bush’s ” little 3 month long war” for the long haul. He also managed to include the Bush II economic meltdown, as well as the massive deficits created during the Bush II Administrations

    Considering the massive economic disasters and wars he and Bush II brought upon this nation, it is simply amazing he would have the nerve to even come out into the light of day, much less make his opinions known in his attempts to rewrite history.

  • ivory69690@yahoo.com

    now here is the biggest pair that swing in a sack Chaney and his little one sound more like 2 RUSH DUMBO’S . some one will soon put that mighty mouth CHEEZY CHENEY in their cross hairs and end the B/S that he markets . if the B/S he talks was a fuel t we would’nt need nothing else to keep the country going for ever

  • ivory69690@yahoo.com

    the Cheneys write. Are they charging our president with treason? “President Obama,” they write, “is on track to securing his legacy as the man who betrayed our past and squandered our freedom.” this CHEEZY CHENEY is just plan stupid even the DIRTY BUSH knows not to talk about he and CHEEZY CHENEY’S B/S im surprised RUSH DUMBO isnt complaining that Cheney and his air head daughter is taking all his stupid talking

  • ivory69690@yahoo.com

    “Only a fool,” they say, “would believe American policy in Iraq should be ceded to Iran, the world’s largest state sponsor of terror.” As if this is what Obama is doing — and as if it wasn’t the invasion Cheney so passionately supported that vastly strengthened Iran’s hand long before Obama took office./// CHENEY if you didnt do your stupid thing with the B/S intelligence of WMD IRAQ at THAT TIME WAS KEEPING IRAN IN CHECK then youy went in and throw that all away. and didnt your eather company of who you was invested in make a killing on the IRAQ war also ? S o you got rich on the children’s life’s you just throw into the war . and mind you when it was your time to fight for the country during a war your hide and didnt fight like the coward you are . if any one needs to be in cross hairs it is this worthless POS

  • ivory69690@yahoo.com

    heck even the GOP gang of idiots should be telling this pair to shut up thy sound like fools

  • ivory69690@yahoo.com

    if today the Pres. Obama was to do what the air head Cheney says to do and all went to hell like it did with him and BUSH at the end Cheney would just say well the PRES. was stupid for doing what i said should be done just as stupid as BUSH was when i told him what i think he should do .

  • Douglas Johnson

    The only Cheney for whom I have any respect is James Earl Cheney, who gave his life fighting for voters rights in Mississippi, and who is interred near Meridian, Mississippi.

  • http://batman-news.com disqus_QR7ejvoSVU

    Dick Cheney lied and people died.

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