By Henry Decker

DNC Chair On Colorado Recalls: ‘This Was Voter Suppression, Pure And Simple’

September 11, 2013 10:41 am Category: Memo Pad, Politics 369 Comments A+ / A-
DNC Chair On Colorado Recalls: ‘This Was Voter Suppression, Pure And Simple’

Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz says that the results of Tuesday’s recall election in Colorado — in which voters ousted two state senators who had voted to toughen gun laws — are a product of “voter suppression, pure and simple.”

On Tuesday, the recall movement started by anti-gun-reform Republicans successfully removed state Senate President John Morse (D-Colorado Springs) and state senator Angela Giron (D-Pueblo) from office — 51 percent voted to recall Morse, and 56 percent voted to recall Giron, according to unofficial returns. The gun lobby, which provided significant financial backing to the recall efforts, sees its victory as a referendum on gun reform across the country. Wasserman Schultz, a U.S. Representative from Florida, sees something more nefarious at play.

“The recall elections in Colorado were defined by the vast array of obstacles that special interests threw in the way of voters for the purpose of reversing the will of the legislature and the people,” Wasserman Schultz said in a statement. “This was voter suppression, pure and simple.”

“Colorado voters are used to casting their ballots by mail, but because of lawsuits filed by opponents of common-sense gun reform, voters were not mailed their ballots in this election,” she elaborated. “Those who intended to vote in person did not learn their polling locations until less than two weeks before Election Day. Tuesday’s low turnout was a result of efforts by the NRA, the Koch brothers and other right-wing groups who know that when more people vote, Democrats win.”

Unsurprisingly, the National Rifle Association had a different take on the results. “This effort was driven by concerned citizens, who made phone calls, knocked on doors, and worked diligently to turn voters out in this historic effort,” it said in a statement.

Although the gun lobby certainly won the short-term battle in Colorado, supplanting two gun safety advocates with anti-reform replacements, there is a silver lining for reformers. Despite Morse and Giron’s recalls, the gun laws that sparked the recall remain on the books — and given the Democratic Party’s control of the state House, Senate, and governorship, they seem unlikely to be changed any time soon.

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  • TZToronto

    If the NRA has their way, the USA will start to look more and more like the dysfunctional world of Back to the Future II, with gun violence rampant and Stand-Your-Ground the law of the land.

    • lana ward

      Real Americans won this time. Our Constitution stands for now : )

      • ObozoMustGo

        Lana… they still have to replace those 2 recalled idiots in CO and then they still have to overturn those foolish laws before we can say the Constitution won. This is just the first in many battles to come.

        Have a nice day!

        “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” -Thomas Jefferson

        • PissedoffinAZ

          You are a perfect example of the stupidity -not ignorance, plain outright stupidity – of the right. The only tyranny in the US is on the right.

          • Russell Byrd

            Amen!

        • Russell Byrd

          At least for once you understood the ramifications of the recall, or generally, any issue. Let us just see what will happen in their districts when normal, decent people get fired up over your gang’s deceit.

          And get your Jefferson quotes from Jefferson. For once.

          Finally, your “cartoon” shows your idiocy. Not only is it largely a falsehood, but rather than proving your point, IT PROVES JUST THE OPPOSITE. Regardless, of your moronic point of view, America is not at war. No one here needs assault weapons. Refer to your own lies (above) for a confirmation of that fact.

          On the other hand, people that are fighting a war do need modern weapons of the best quality that they can get. Do you get it? I know you do stupid, but I bet you are not TOO stupid to not understand. Of course, you will reply as if you do not, because idiocy is your stock and trade. . . .

          • sikathelibsheet

            Now Russell… I thought we talked about this. Put down your crack pipe.

          • Russell Byrd

            So you continue to lie about the crack pipe. I realize that it is impossible to have a discussion with someone that creates his “facts” from an inner, evil ego and is only here to entertain himself by trying to bully and disrupt.

            So, I expect, you will continue to lie and disrupt.

        • Democats and Demodog

          What part of “Well Regulated” do you not understand? It’s only 2 words.

        • sikathelibsheet

          I love the cartoon, it is spot on. You’re right “pissing up a rope”. They will never get it, or understand why the 2nd Ammendment was put into the Constitution. How sad to be so clueless.

          • Russell Byrd

            I think only an idiot does not understand the words the Founders used and the reasoning that they followed.

            So, hello idiot, I rather think you cannot read plain English. NO, I know you can’t.

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            **
            “I think only an idiot does not understand the words the Founders used and the reasoning that they followed.”
            Re:
            What are our Founders words and their reasoning?

          • Russell Byrd

            I do not aim to be mean, but what they said is exactly what they said. What they said, and some individuals self-serving interpretations, have been hashed out many times on these blogs. You should look it up and educate yourself. If you are only interested in getting a right-wing interpretation, listen to right-wing mouthpieces. If you want a lot of quotes that in fact were NEVER said, go to right-wing websites or read right-wind rags.

            If you want the truth, go to the sources, and read it yourself. Notice I did not say anything about progressive, liberal, or “leftist.”

          • infadelicious

            that means he doesn’t know….so he says look it up!

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, I do know. Unlike you and CPA, I do have a real education. No I did not need that information to get a degree anyway, but it is a legallogic term that I would think someone knowledgeable would have come across.

            Oh, yes moron, IF YOU READ THE POSTS, you would know that CPA received a reply! So, since YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, I suggest that, for once, you try to educate yourself! DUH!

          • infadelicious

            uhhh.. Russell, you’re not focusing again.. calm your hair trigger temper educated self down and read.. my comment was directed at your telling insaniafactusmirus to “look it up”.. directly above our posts- you telling her to educate herself re: founding fathers…not about CPA replies… so DUH? really? it’s sad your temper clouds your mind with blinding anger, If only you could get help have a nice day..;-)

          • Russell Byrd

            F*ck you and your insanity. The post stands on its own and was a gentle reminder to do her own work. Yes, I realize she (probably another closet drag queen like “lana”) is just here to needle, but I took it as a serious request.

            We both know that I do know, and we both know what is defective with your reasoning. Or do we.

            Anyway, once again, my so-called “blinding anger” is having a really good time. :-)

            Seems I have asked this before, what are you really doing here?

          • infadelicious

            yes, nothin like blinding rage and anger for ‘GOOD TIMES’ just ask Ted Bundy or albert de salvo. now i won’t be replying to your posts the rest of the day,.you are creeping me out… and you are way to fixated on other peoples apples and people in drag . please get help russell

          • Russell Byrd

            Yes, nit-wit, that was a joke. Only you has this blinding rage and anger that forces you to continue an exercise that would qualify one for a straight-jacket. You would look good in a “white jacket and tie.”

            I am having a good time. I can literally feel the vibrations from your hatred.

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Ahem, Russell Byrd, I rarely go on site to read… when I did, what do I see? You referring to me as “(probably another closet drag queen like “lana”)”
            ++
            1) Never heard of “Lana”.
            2) I assure you, I am not a “drag queen”, am very much a woman.

            **
            Wow, where do you come by your assumptions?

          • Russell Byrd

            Rather than respond to your nonsense, I will just bluntly say what is obvious. Keep in mind the obvious. You are free to post. It is not my right to even suggest that you don’t, but this is a blog that is not populated by the radical right. I know quite well, that if this was a Teanderthal blog, I would be banned for just saying I disagree in a respectful tone. Believe me, I know. That is one of the first reasons why a number of us are rather touchy. If you don’t want it, don’t bring it. Just because you have a right of free speech, you do not have an exclusive right to post, nor a right to deny free speech to others. I do truly understand that you may find that confusing.

            If you have ever come here before, including today, and actually read the posts, you could not help but know who “lana” is. I am sure you do not agree, but if I came to a blog and read what the right-wackos were posting, I would assume the blog was populated with idiots, and leave with haste.

            By the way, “lana” is a guy that masquerades as a woman. He seems to be rather unhinged and says some of the most idiotic things. He makes little attempt to even mask his ignorance. I really believe he thinks he is getting a “rise” which he enjoys. He is right, but for the wrong reason. I believe he thinks he is posting rationally, but he just angers everyone with his repetitive stupidity. The crazier an idea, the more likely lana will say it. The point is simple. I do not think he is capable of reasonable, intelligent thinking. I could pity him and hold no ill will whatsoever. Yet, when one has to deal with his obnoxious postings, it is nearly impossible to treat him with any respect.

            As for myself, I have repeatedly, and honestly stated on many occasions what I am about. I rarely post except to “bully the bullies, disrupt the disruptors, hate the haters, and steal all their joy (that I can).” Yes, I have posted exactly that to everyone that I find troublesome. Troublesome to me is someone that hammers off-topic posts at people repetitively and relentlessly. Posting a different viewpoint is fine with me as long as it does not contain propagandist bigotry and seems to have some reasonable thought process behind it. If one comes to insult it will be returned.

            I am abusive because I am tired of watching the abuse go on. Up until about three years ago, I never posted even one “expletive.” Then I began to occasionally swear using asterisks to blot out some of the letters. I watched the constant, idiotic rantings, and poorly concealed racism and bigotry. I was repeatedly forced to listen to those that thought they had unlimited free speech, force their lies and religion, oops, same thing, on other posters. I waited for the moderators that were supposed to be watching for trolls and abusers. They never came. So I have become slowly, and increasingly abusive in return. What is the tragedy for Bozo and his ilk, is I do not quit and I cannot be bluffed. I know all about what their motivations are and how they work.

            So, and my last word, I do not make any assumptions that I do not need to. Therefore, I did not make any assumptions.

            P.S. I do apologize about the “drag queen” blurb. It SHOULD be totally uncalled for, but that is how I learn the truth. You see, I believe you, so that means that I have erred. Sorry for that. Though I do not like using such tactics, I learned long ago in a much different venue, that throwing someone a curve will elicit a slightly off balance response. Sometimes the response is meaningful, often it is not.

            Further, I saith not. . . .

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Hi
            The problem is you did not say this “drag queen” comment to me.
            *
            666 words to excuse boorish behavior when I haven’t reciprocated and I still don’t understand your point.
            *
            Your statement in a previous post “Don’t bother with the lame ass excuse that you did not bring up the Second Amendment. We both know what you are thinking and we both know that, eventually, you will bring it up.”
            **
            Re: More assumptions. I was interested WHY you choose to ignore The Federalist Papers (Madison, Jay, Hamilton) and the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

          • Russell Byrd

            You said, with rather poor form, “You referring to me as “(probably another closet drag queen like “lana”)”.” This direct quote of what you said, makes your first point a lie. Why do you people LIE as a vocation? Why?

            If I am boorish, and you are too stupid to understand, why do you belabor the point. Oh yeah, I guess I called you right from the first post. You are another no-information, right-wacky liar. NOW that was the words of a boor.

            Your third statement is a total lie. Actually, by making the statement, you already proved that you obviously LIE. At any rate, actually read what I said. You have that wrong too. I did not warn you off about the Second Amendment. I only “implied” for you to not bother trying the tired trick of only considering HALF of the Amendment. Afterall, what is the topic of discussion? Do you even know? So you actually told two lies in that statement.

            Your disruptive colleagues spend so much time trolling that few people remember a topic. That is as they intend. Where I fit in is that I resist. I rarely post until the bullies, liars, and trolls show up. Of course, as you are one of them, you pre-judged me before you ever examined the contents of the group. Don’t bother to lie to me about that. At least, do not disgrace yourself further.

            I did not ignore the Federalist Papers. Just the right-wing’s love for spinning what our Founders said in order to corrupt the most important document in the Nation. Right-wackos have become famous for out of context and totally fabricated evidence. Acorn for instance, comes to mind. What was said in the Constitution was, guess what, what is in the Constitution, which is the law of the land. It is the guiding document and the continued spin by the right wing, to destroy that document, is very tiresome and boorish.

            A little bit about my reasons for posting as I do. Every Teabagger that I have ever met is a liar. I have never met an exception. NOT ONE! As I have always despised liars, I can never have any affinity for them or their views. A liar is the lowest sort of vermin on the planet. A liar is never responsible for his own actions. Our jails are full of them, as is the Teabagger Party. The only reason the Teatards are not in jail is their fear of the law. Not the fear of God’s wrath, nor their own conscience. A liar can do and justify ANYTHING. Murder, mayhem, robbery, rape, extortion, and anything you can name is in their capabilities. I like calling them “sociopaths with benefits.” If you have an objection, a denial, or are offended, I care not a damn. . . .

            I could sit and do research in the same documents and find even more that does NOT support your conclusions, but I have no interest to do so. My reasonable answer to your possible response is, “what good would it do. You aren’t going to read it anyway. The part you can spin will be all you will consider.” By the way, I do similar research for a living, and my colleagues, not myself, considering me to be an expert. I am not an arrogant man, but I do despise it in others. Hence, our little soiree.

            In the 1950′s, a small survey was done of police officers. Four out of five identified the Preamble of the Constitution as being the Communist Manifesto. Which actually was profound on at least three points. As the police are all too often closet stormtroopers and generally right-wing, I think this says something about the morality and ethics of those that “claim” to be conservative.

            I think the major difference between the just slightly left of center Liberals and the radical, far-right Teanderthal crazies such as yourself, is hate. You want harsh laws interpreted to punish. You want laws that guarantee your unconditional freedom, while denying that freedom to those you think unworthy. The old phrase, “who died and made you king,” comes to mind.

            We want fair laws to provide guidance. Laws you want are the interpretation you want based on your hatred. The fact that a law unfairly impacts people you do not like because of your bigotry. The fact that those laws, similar to the recall nonsense, which is the will of the minority. (Yes, the average person did not vote, but the crazies always do.) The fact that those laws are bought and paid for by racists, bigots, the super rich, and special interests means they should still be enforced to the hilt, IN YOUR MIND. We believe laws that are unfair should bend a little, or go away. That angers you.

            Why don’t you read Jefferson’s comment on moneyed/corproate interests?

            Why, before you do all this Federalist Papers spin, don’t you study to understand who our Founders really were? I mean on a personal level.

            Why don’t you read what I suggested? It is very on topic.

            Why don’t you do your own research, instead of listening to the “how to talk to a liberal” moron seminars of some right-wacko talking head?

            Though a lot of people do it, why do you need to hide behind a handle? I do not know one right winger that uses his own name. Are you that “skeered”? I guess constant lying does make one a target. . . .

            Why do you need an inflammatory avatar that pretty much describes the moral bankruptcy that you will exhibit? Oops, my bad, I just said why. Dumb of me. . .

            Why did you bother to post more nonsense? You people never learn. Whether man or woman, Teatards have a need to bully others with their viewpoints. What I find amazing is the shock and hatred when someone resists.

            I did not “anal retentively” count the words in this post, like you did in the one before. Maybe, with a little luck, I will make 666 again. I think with your views, that should make you proud. Maybe, I will hit 1332, and you can get a double damn.

            So have a bad day. If this makes you too angry, please feel free to stroke out at any time. Ciao. . .

          • infadelicious

            Mental Health America (MHA)
            (800) 969-6642
            http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net
            you’re welcome ;-)

          • Russell Byrd

            I hope they can provide you with all the specialized care that you need. Good luck, jock face boy!

          • infadelicious

            Mental Health America (MHA)
            (800) 969-6642
            http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net
            you’re welcome ;-)

          • Russell Byrd

            I hope they can provide you with all the care that you need. Good luck, jock face boy!

          • infadelicious

            Hello IFM. I see you have met Mr Byrd. A sad man with a hair trigger temper and possibly Tourette’s syndrome. He can never really have an intelligent discussion with anyone because as you found out when you called his bluff re: founding fathers, his version of the facts is correct and he feels he is superior to anyone he speaks with and a conversation with him always ends the same way–in a hail of obscenities and name calling Usually the name calling involves homosexuality, the questioning of one’s manhood and/or drag queens. Tells you something doesn’t it? He angrily lashes out at just about everyone here, even posters who agree with him. I think he has trouble comprehending what he is reading. He then has to apologize sometimes more than once in a day for assumptions he has made and then will turn right around and insult the person he just apologized to. Confused doesn’t cover it. I am not the only one who has chosen to ignore him for the most part after his meltdown Palooza today. Seems as though he’s confusing education and the memorizing of information with critical thinking skills.

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Hi Infadelicious…waving, smiling.
            *
            You know I had laptop count his words…666 in the last post and I still don’t understand his point. LOL
            *
            Imagine my surprise when I thought to go on site and read what the fuss was about and encountered his assumptions (which are plentiful) about my sex and proclivities…
            *
            Gracious, when have Americans, or rather a segment of society, lost their civility? It may be from lack of critical thinking skills and when in unfamiliar territory instead articulating WHY they believe as they do, they resort to boorish and unseemly behavior?
            **
            “you called his bluff re: founding fathers, his version of the facts is correct and he feels he is superior to anyone he speaks with”
            **
            Re:
            “Appeal to Authority” -without correlating information to back up that claim, it is empty rhetoric.
            *
            When he rejected the preamble to the Constitution/Declaration-
            1) he rejected WE THE PEOPLE established the Constitution.
            *
            2) Recognizing our Rights precede the Constitution.
            *
            3) Our Rights don’t come from the Constitution, Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment or any other of the 10 Amendments to the Constitution, they are Natural Rights. God-given rights.
            **
            And because it is our “creature” in all it’s forms, they are answerable to the people- THAT is the true power of these UNITED states.
            **
            That, and unalienable rights/Natural Rights
            are everyone’s to be enjoyed because it doesn’t affect another.
            Additionally, anyone/everyone can look these Rights up and they aren’t lost in translation or re-interpretation.
            **
            So simple.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hey IFM! How are you? Long time no chat. Just saying hello!

            Have a nice weekend, IFM!

            “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” – H.L. Mencken with foresight to the future of Obozo’s election

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Hi OBMG! Waving.

            I’ve been a busy gal. My favorite pooch died of bone cancer… :-(
            Before I knew it, days had gone by, when I meant to write back.
            **
            I posted to this nutcase (LOL) and WOW you know how it’s like they have A.D.D? I mean this guy is a full blown 9-11 conspiracy nut. Heck, just throw ALL the crazy things you’ve ever heard- that’s him!
            **
            Apparently I’m a “Man” and don’t understand what a “real man” is… OMG?
            **
            Anyway, he was good for laughs and I learned a lot about how the delusional attempt to think.
            **
            Then there is the guy that thinks I’m a racist, one who believes me to be like The Beverly Hillbillies, ooo, ooo, ooo… then I’m a black uneducated racist.
            **
            ROTFFLMAO if they only knew ;-)

          • infadelicious

            Hi IFM and OMG! IFM, so sorry to hear about your pooch sometimes they are like family:-( sometimes better than family . I bet one of the nut jobs you mentioned has the initials rb? What a dope ! There are a few man hating females on here also who seize any “in” to bash one. So! You are a man-though not a real one, a drag queen, and a hillbilly? What a small world. ME TOO! I am also a fat, middle aged, white, racist, woman hating , drug addicted bull male. (Says them) they know nothing about us but have us all figured out. You are correct! If only they knew ! Their eyes would bleed as their empty heads exploded They know as much about us as they do about how blessed they are to be American and free Have a great day OMG and IFM… Smiling and waving from airport. Today I fly to Israel I shall place a prayer in the wall for both of you and for the USA. ;-)

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Hi Infadelicious!
            *
            I’m so happy you were able to go to Israel.
            Thank you for the thoughtful prayer, our world can certainly use it, no?
            **
            Yes, Buddy2 was a genuine hero and much loved by the children too. Especially the ones he saved from a dire situation.
            **
            Yes, I’ve been called all of those adjectives when they don’t have an argument and resort to derogatory terms.
            **
            It’s their sheer inventiveness that makes me laugh. ROLFLMBO
            **
            Today’s topic appears to be the need for population reduction/euthanasia because innovations in crop production are killing us left and right, leaving us with mutant children.
            **
            Where do these nincompoops come up with this horseshit? Lord grant me patience against what surely is going to be a trying day. LOL

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hey IFM! I hope you are well. Sorry for long delay in getting back to you. I have been really tied up with projects at work that are waayyyy behind schedule. Also, I am sorry to hear about your pooch. My heart aches for you. :-(

            I’ve been swimming in this sea of leftist insanity called The Memo for about 2 years now. I actually like stirring up the leftist freak hornets nest. The more of these idiots that pile on with their moronic drivel, the better. You know how you might THINK that they are stupid, but once they put their words to the screen and post, you then KNOW without a doubt that they are stupid. Nothing like giving an idiot enough rope, eh?

            And when they call you a racist, ask them who they think you’d vote for, a black conservative or a white progressive? That either shuts them up or forces them to tell you that any black that doesn’t think like they are supposed to think (aka a leftist DemonRAT) is an Uncle Tom. Can you imagine the sheer confusion in the mind of an idiot that dares to call you a racist and at the same time believes someone’s politics should be decided by their skin color? It’s nothing short of shocking that someone could actually be so completely devoid of intellectual capacity. And there are many of them here at The Memo. It’s one of the reasons I like it. But when I need a breather of some sanity in commentary, I’ll go to the WT now and again.

            BTW… no one on here or anywhere else has a clue about me, either. Many were calling me some hillbilly, which actually I am not. So I googled my moniker and discovered that some southern dude was using my name for posts like in Facebook or elsewhere and referring to himself as a redneck. I don’t Facebook and I’m not from the south. But the idiots on here, believing themselves to be so clever, don’t realize that for 5 years, even before he was elected, I have been calling the impostor in the White House “Obozo” so much and so often that it’s caught on and many other people now use it. hehehehehehehehe

            Anyway, just thought I’d reach out to chat and say hello. I gotta run.

            Have a nice day and great weekend, IFM!

            “In the first place God made idiots. This was for practice. Then he made [leftist posters on The Memo].” ― Mark Twain, Following the Equator: A Journey Around the World

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Hello there, hope all is well with you?

            I cannot believe I just wiped out that whole post I had written…LOL.
            **
            Often, after swimming in the cesspool that is Liberals minds, one needs to do “normal” activities, similar to taking a shower and washing off the days accumulation of dirt. LOL
            **
            Funny, you should state that about Obozo… I’ve followed this dude for years and his ties to Ayers, Alinsky, SDS and the Weather Underground. Their affiliations with many that have the “Keys to the Kingdom” which is our National Security information.
            That’s what keeps me up at night.
            **
            You know what InsaniaFactusMirus means?
            “Conceited people flatter each other about qualities they do not possess.” -Me
            **
            “When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, ‘I used everything YOU gave me’.”
            Erma Bombeck

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hello IFM…. you are most definitely strikingly insane! LOL :-)

            Great quote of yours, BTW. I will use it with attribution. I like Erma’s quote as well. I have some of my own I use often around here. Here’s one below that I post often to the leftist freak idiots who are oblivious.

            Have a great day, IFM!

            “The difference between being stupid and being a fool: A stupid person at least has an idea about their own inadequacies. The fool is oblivious to them, and is more inclined to believe their own fantasies and lies as truth.” – ObozoMustGo

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            He He He
            We’ll just say I’m insanely different from much of what I have witnessed on these threads.
            **
            As Martha Stewart says, “That’s a good thing”, and where this quote by Erma originated from.
            **
            “People do not wish to appear foolish; to avoid the appearance of foolishness, they are willing to remain actually fools.”
            ― Alice Walker

          • ObozoMustGo

            hahahahahahahahaha! Good quote from Alice. I’ll use it. I’d say that we’re both very different from people The Memo threads. Afterall, most of them in here are hardcore leftist freaks!

            Have a great day!

            “A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.” — George Bernard Shaw

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Apropos:

            **
            “We find that at present the human race is divided into one wise man, nine knaves, and ninety fools out of every hundred. That is, by an optimistic observer.

            **The nine knaves assemble themselves under the banner of the most knavish among them, and become ‘politicians’; the wise man stands out, because he knows himself to be hopelessly outnumbered, and devotes himself to poetry, mathematics, or philosophy; while the ninety fools plod off under the banners of the nine villains, according to fancy, into the labyrinths of chicanery, malice and warfare.
            **
            It is pleasant to have command, observes Sancho Panza, even over a flock of sheep, and that is why the politicians raise their banners. It is, moreover, the same thing for the sheep whatever the banner. If it is democracy, then the nine knaves will become members of parliament; if fascism, they will become party leaders; if communism, commissars.
            **
            Nothing will be different, except the name. The fools will be still fools, the knaves still leaders, the results still exploitation. As for the wise man, his lot will be much the same under any ideology. Under democracy he will be encouraged to starve to death in a garret, under fascism he will be put in a concentration camp, under communism he will be liquidated.”

            **
            ― T.H. White, The Book of Merlyn: The Unpublished Conclusion to The Once & Future King

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Apropos:

            “We find that at present the human race is divided into one wise man, nine knaves, and ninety fools out of every hundred.
            **
            That is, by an optimistic observer. The nine knaves assemble themselves under the banner of the most knavish among them, and become ‘politicians’; the wise man stands out, because he knows himself to be hopelessly outnumbered, and devotes himself to poetry, mathematics, or philosophy; while the ninety fools plod off under the banners of the nine villains, according to fancy, into the labyrinths of chicanery, malice and warfare.
            **
            It is pleasant to have command, observes Sancho Panza, even over a flock of sheep, and that is why the politicians raise their banners. It is, moreover, the same thing for the sheep whatever the banner.
            **
            If it is democracy, then the nine knaves will become members of parliament; if fascism, they will become party leaders; if communism, commissars. Nothing will be different, except the name. The fools will be still fools, the knaves still leaders, the results still exploitation.
            **
            As for the wise man, his lot will be much the same under any ideology. Under democracy he will be encouraged to starve to death in a garret, under fascism he will be put in a concentration camp, under communism he will be liquidated.”

            **
            ― T.H. White, The Book of Merlyn: The Unpublished Conclusion to The Once & Future King

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            http://www.nationalmemo.com/obamacares-strange-bedfellows/2/
            Might want to wander over…Newest posts- to Dominick Vila .

          • infadelicious

            Hi InsaniaFactusMirus: laughing and waving! re: Mr Byrd’s reply.
            “P.S. I do apologize about the “drag queen” blurb. It SHOULD be totally uncalled for, but that is how I learn the truth. You see, I believe you, so that means that I have erred. Sorry for that. Though I do not like using such tactics, I learned long ago in a much different venue, that throwing someone a curve will elicit a slightly off balance response. Sometimes the response is meaningful, often it is not.” – it “should be uncalled for”. Oh, I guess we make him react the way he does. His boorish, profanity laced posts are our fault. (eyeroll) wouldn’t a normal civilized person just ask? Guess he didn’t think you would catch his drag queen comment as it was posted in a reply to me. This is typical of Russell Byrd and is the reason you will see him on an apology tour that rivals Obomba’s.
            “I was repeatedly forced to listen to those that thought they had unlimited free speech, force their lies and religion, oops, same thing, on other posters.” IFM, are we forcing him to be here? He has annointed himself censor and moderator of this site. 666 words in his post? hehehe…that is a “beastly” number- and a lot of hot air. Have a great day. ;-)

          • ObozoMustGo

            BTW…. byrdbrain is one of my favorite idiots on The Memo. The moron will go in circles with you endlessly, though. He’s one of those mendicants sucking off the rest of society for his living and has the time to sit on here ALL day long. I don’t.

            Have a nice day!

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            **
            “has the time to sit on here ALL day long. I don’t.”
            re:
            The engine that drives this economy/Nation despite efforts such as byrdbrain and obozo is what is real America…
            **
            You understand the analogy 2+2=5, they have to deny reality to support their unrealistic outlooks.
            That’s why they throw what I call SPLAT in our faces hoping something will stick.
            **
            I may wander over there (The Memo)and see what all the fuss is about..
            You have a wonderful weekend, see you later.
            IFM

          • ObozoMustGo

            Just got your response. Agree 100%. And there’s not that much of a fuss around here, except when byrdbrain goes on his little temper tantrum rants. hehehehehehehe The guy is clearly intellectually deficient. Stupidity is quite a trademark of the leftist freaks!!

            Have a great week, IFM!

            “Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods.” – H.L. Mencken

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Ok, I’ll check it out today.
            I’ve had a few run-ins recently. He made the mistake of asking me to prove my assertion….
            **
            If done properly, they never respond. ;-)

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            **
            “Notice I did not say anything about progressive, liberal, or “leftist.”
            Re:
            Our Founders would be my choice…
            *
            1) You mean “educate myself” on OUR Constitution using the Federalist Papers. Check.
            *
            2) For word definitions, Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of the American Language. Check.
            http://1828.mshaffer.com/
            *
            3)Hard copy of The Declaration of Independence. Check.
            *
            4)Kentucky Resolutions of 1798. Check.
            **
            5)Madison’s Report on the Virginia Resolutions (1799-1800). Check.
            *
            6)Virginia Resolutions of 1798. Check.
            *
            7) Vattel. Check.
            *
            8)Contained within the below quote, are the 5 foundational principles of our Constitutional Republic:
            a. Our Rights are unalienable and come from God;
            b. The purpose of civil government is to protect our God-given Rights;
            c. Civil government gets its powers from THE PEOPLE;
            d. Civil government is legitimate only when it stays within the powers WE delegated to it; and
            e. When civil government becomes destructive of the purposes for which WE created it, we vote them out or abolish it.

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
            *
            That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
            *
            That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it …” (2nd para)
            **
            I think I have a fair grasp of our Founders, their words, meanings and intent.
            How about you?

          • Russell Byrd

            Yes, the difference is, I actually read all those.

            I will nit-pick, and this is cheap of me, in 1) you should have read the Constitution first, instead of the right-wing’s favorite document to spin.

            8) I think you should re-research or rethink that part.

            My favorite is:

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
            equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

            You might read about “Jacobson vs. Massachusetts.”

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            **
            “Yes, the difference is, I actually read all those.”
            Re:
            Ummm, you are alluding to the fact that I have not read what I posted to you? Considering I posted what every American’s duty is to our Republic, you would be in error.
            **
            “this is cheap of me, in 1) you should have read the Constitution first, instead of the right-wing’s favorite document to spin.”
            **
            Re:
            Yes, it is…
            That would be…? I assumed you were at least familiar with our Framers, their philosophy and understanding of history …using all areas of their own experiences to know what they DID NOT want in our Republican form of governance.
            **
            “8) I think you should re-research or rethink that part.
            **
            Re:
            1) Share with me where YOU think I need to “re-think” my understanding of our founding principles as related to the article/thread itself.
            **
            “Jacobson vs. Massachusetts.”
            **
            Re:
            Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

          • Russell Byrd

            Thanks for proving you are just another tiresome right-wing troll that has come to press your wacky views on people that do not want them.

            You did not dispose of any of my objections to your post. In Jacobson vs. Massachusetts the Supremes decided what? What they decided negated your use of the Preamble. So I guess you are just here to be long on claims and short on reading comprehension.

            I hate to say it, but I read you correctly when you first arrived. You stink of being fed right-wing infant formula. Spoon fed.

            As I said, READ the Constitution. Stop picking and choosing. Stop picking and choosing hand fed selections from right-wacky idols from the Federalist Papers. As well, what the Founders SAID is in the Constitution, regardless of how you spin the Federalist Papers. I know this has always been a shock to right-wackos.

            I will give you one bit of food for thought. The Second Amendment. READ all of it, or do not bother to ever bring it up to me. If you read all of it, you lose.

            Don’t bother with the lame ass excuse that you did not bring up the Second Amendment. We both know what you are thinking and we both know that, eventually, you will bring it up. Anyway, though it may be a surprise to you, it is MY RIGHT to bring it up.

            So, my post stands intact. Redo your research. It is what I do for a living and I do not care to debate another off-topic liar.

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            The 2nd Amendment precedes the fed. govt. -”who is our creature. ”
            A God given right, the right to Life , Liberty and Property.
            Do you really expect Russell Byrd to understand “Right to Life”?

      • PissedoffinAZ

        So, you are the real American? Why? Because you are a white gun owner?

        • Russell Byrd

          This might be apt, since we both know the error I made before, but it “lana,” apparently in a depressed moment, was lamenting that HE was some problems because HE was a MAN.

          So, I will say, because HE is an ignorant “white gun owner.”

          • sikathelibsheet

            Calm down Russell, put down your crack pipe as your comments don’t make
            sense. Why to you keep interjecting race into everything?

          • Russell Byrd

            Because this issue is only of interest to white gun owners. And as for racism, you brought that up. Thanks for doing so, as you are a racist. Quite simple and irrefutable. If you were not always thinking about how you can slide your racism past unsuspecting people, then you would not always be bringing it up.

            We both know you are racist, but only one of us lies about it constantly. Of course, truth is fatal to the Teanderthals like you.

            A little point here. I often, do to chronology, answer posts in reverse order. That is how I know you to be a total piece of sh*t. You have already made two following posts complaining you do not know what a crack pipe is. IF you do NOT know, why did you bring it up here? LYING, RACIST, NO INFORMATION, SCUMBAG!

          • infadelicious

            you need to read posts and take a deep breath before you reply.. you frequently blast someone who has actually agreed with you…then apologize……Eleanore does the same thing. You both have hair trigger tempers, verbally shooting first and asking questions later.

          • Russell Byrd

            You really should, “you need to read posts and take a deep breath before you reply.. you
            frequently blast someone who has actually agreed with you…”

            As well, you really should not get involved in personal conversations. The “error” I referred to had nothing to do with the content of any post.

            You came here to disrupt. You set the “hair trigger” pace, if there is one.

            I have never had the need to apologize but on two occasions. If I had been a trolling, lying, racist, dickhead like you, I would not have apologized at all. In other words, I can admit fault, unlike yourself.

            I know your avatar is supposed to be Obama, but really I know that is you made up to look like him. Is that a pacifier in your mouth, or is it a used jock strap.

            Other than that, go f*ck yourself!

          • infadelicious

            temper temper now! ;-)

          • infadelicious

            ;-)

          • Russell Byrd

            Personal conversations can be anywhere I want them to be. DUH!

            You just prove you are here to disrupt. DUH!

            You prove the hypocrisy of your own words by not having a clue what a post was about, but you make an issue of it anyway. DUH!

            Above all, you prove you are a coward and not man enough to apologize for your own stupid, off-topic drivel, but you can whine about someone else’s conversations. DUH!

            Bite down a little harder on what ever is really in your mouth, creep. DUH!

            DUH! . . . Is the first word I always think of when I see your posts. I know there will be nothing there but stupidity.

          • Russell Byrd

            I am having a good time destroying your ignorance.

            A normal, decent person would be APOLOGIZING right now for being in the wrong.

            You are just a useless, trolling hypocrite coward that hides behind an avatar and snipes at people. You are abnormal.

          • infadelicious

            I am not in the wrong pointing out your hair trigger temper.. it’s obvious by your reaction to my post. and btw, a normal decent person would not say go f*ck yourself or call people the names you call people. you do a lot of name calling and labelling… and the language… my my my, you almost make Fern woodrot look like Mother Theresa….Itls kind of sad really. I guess if that’s all ya got.. use it.. doesn’t bother me.. shalom aleichem Russell…. have a great day.

          • Russell Byrd

            I do not have a hair trigger moron. You have come, again and again, to bully, lie, and harass.

            I OWE YOU NO CIVILITY! DUH! You have given me a license to say what I please. You are never really on topic. Even your avatar states disrespect and racism.

          • infadelicious

            my avator has nothing to do with race..he IS half white too after all. The race card is sooooooooo played out dude! you lefties have cried wolf too many times. And you are the one who sees colour and gender and whatever else you see when you look at someone, instead of listening to them or seeing them as a person– try content of character and actions… I see a president who is weak and petulant.. unqualified. a narcissistic baby in way over his head-hence the pacifier, but your type looks for racism and hate so you will find it, very sad indeed. Try and focus Russell. Now Russell have a great day. I mean that.. being so rage and hate filled can take a toll on your health..

          • Russell Byrd

            It has everything to do with race. The simple fact that you have to mention that he is half white, proves that you DO see race as a major factor. I know he is half white, but THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE, so why would I bring it up. YOU DO because that is a major factor with you racist dickheads.

            You have been disrespecting Obama since before he was elected and when you enter these blogs that is usually the first thing you go for. REGARDLESS of topic.

            Just because your lying yap can open and claim you are not a racist, is meaningless when all your words and deeds prove otherwise. Quit listening to Faux and Rush that tell you, you are not a racist, because regardless of how racist you sound, you can just say you are not.

            LIES are not TRUTH. That is the bottom line on why we have not meaningful discussions.

            And again, have a bad day. Unlike yourself, I tell the truth. If you wanted everyone to have a good day, you would stop all the constant LIES and bullying, and actually post ON-TOPIC.

          • infadelicious

            DUH Russell.. i mentioned he was half white because all one has to do is look at 85% of your posts and you call someone or some group of people racist… Now, I am not going to be replying to any more of your posts.. BECAUSE YOU ARE SO BLINDED BY HATE AND BIAS THAT YOU CANNOT FOCUS and can’t remember things you previously posted.. I’m going to be nice and let you have the last word AGAIN. i am sure that last word will be full of hate an anger and foul words but that’s ok… if it makes ya feel better….really, have a nice day. blessings to you ‘:-)

          • Russell Byrd

            You did not give me the last word. You never do until you finally have had enough and run away.

            Your too stupid to get it! DUH! I do NOT want the last word. If you had ever read a series of posts by me you would know that all I want is too ruin your joy! DUH! Have you ever noticed that I stop right after you stop. I only keep posting to teach you that constant off-topic disruption, lies, and hatred are not appreciated by anyone.

            If I pulled your sh*t in a right-wacker group, I would be banned pronto. DUH! Talk about censorship. You are just here to be an a** creep.

            Have a real bad day, maybe with a real slow stroke, and roll around on the floor in your own p*ss, sh*t, and vomit for a few hours before you kick off.

            Between the two of us, there is only one honest man. THAT man is NOT you.

          • infadelicious

            omg! for the love of pete Russell get help…

          • Russell Byrd

            Oh come on! Put some more effort into it. How can I keep making a fool of you if you won’t try?

          • Russell Byrd

            You make the vermin I crush on the soul of my shoe look intelligent. DUH! Why do you creeps always bring up Fern when she is not even here. Are you that SKEERED of her. You are aren’t you. DUH!

            Like any garden variety coward and bully, you stir sh*t, but you are not man enough to apologize for being an out of line dick. DUH!

            I am man enough to apologize when I am wrong. Unfortunately, what you really need is not an apology, but an a** kicking. Not an a** kissing, though that is what you do with your idols like the Kock brothers. DUH!

            I have come to realize why Fern says the things she does. DUH!

            Maybe, you should get off your fat-cat ass and actually make a living, instead of expecting a slave to do it for you.

            And speak a language that you actually no something about. You are an insult to those persons. DUH!

            And infantdelicious, please have a bad day and, hopefully, get run over by a taxi, maybe eaten by a sh*t eating dog.

            And thanks, for allowing me to get all my frustration out early, by mopping the floor with a dick like you. My day already looks so much more rosy.

            You don’t really get it, do you? DUH!

          • infadelicious

            sure sure you’re a man… more hair trigger name callin’.. THAT is why we bring up Fern cause you Fern and Eleanore all have hair trigger tempers and have to resort to foul language that would make Satan blush..it makes you look small…shalom aleichem. I do not wish you to get run over by a taxi or hurt in any other way, I wish you would get help for your temper “issues”… have a nice day.

          • Russell Byrd

            What I said stands. You accuse falsely. You tell lies. You spew cryptic racial hatred, then deny you are one. You come only to disrupt, that into a blog that is about conversation and the exchange of ideas. You bring nothing but disruption and hatred. You try to bully to gain a sick sort of control.

            You are the one that makes Satan blush. Why are you all so concerned with bad language. That is a natural response to the inability of people to eliminate your disruptions. If you really believe their is a Satan, then you should be expecting to meet him before long.

            Think about this, if this were at an RNC function, and I were there, just speaking would get me thrown out. Yet, you come here just to harass and bully, using your lies and distortions as tools. And we should just let you spew? Double DUH!

            My temper is fine, and that is provable. I work with quite a few clients everyday. BUT then, they did not come in to lie to me or harass me, though some have some real problems. Maybe, if you were a real man, an intelligent man, an honest man, and an on-topic poster that does always begin with off-topic racial hatred for our President, then your comments would receive a much different response. I do not say that we will agree, or even like each other, but we could at least have a discussion.

            I just want you to get run over because evil like yours deserves to be ended. DUH! It is that simple! DUH! I said you didn’t get it. Guess what: DUH!

          • Russell Byrd

            Well, that is one of us being a man. Thanks for the thumbs up.

            Name calling. Regardless of who is doing it, you totally deserve it.

            What do you have against Jewish people anyway?

          • Russell Byrd

            You are wrong about my hair temper. However, why would it be unnatural for someone to respond as I do to a LIAR? If Fern is objectionable, you are the one that made her that way.

            Actually, I have always been an honest man. So yes, as you are entirely dishonest, I guess we will have friction. My point, however, is your low brow inability to realize you have been played.

            You are the angry one, because I will not give you what your sick, wayward soul requires for satisfaction. Only an evil person, no, evil idiot would continue to bang his head against the wall for not reward whatsoever. If you are capable of any logic, you will see the truth of the matter. I will not let you have what you want, and you are spending huge amounts of time posting idiotically to gain nothing.

            Even look at the fact that, while you are here, somewhere else is infadickhead free.

            You are here, why?

          • infadelicious

            oh and btw, Russell. “personal” conversations shouldn’t be on a public forum.. DUH!

          • Russell Byrd

            By the way, dickface, Personal conversations can be anywhere I want them to be. DUH!

            You just prove you are here to disrupt. DUH!

            You prove the hypocrisy of your own words by not having a clue what a post was about, but you make an issue of it anyway. DUH!

            Above all, you prove you are a coward and not man enough to apologize
            for your own stupid, off-topic drivel, but you can whine about someone
            else’s conversations. DUH!

            Bite down a little harder on what ever is really in your mouth, creep. DUH!

            DUH! . . . Is the first word I always think of when I see your posts. I know there will be nothing there but stupidity.

        • Vazir Mukhtar

          Please help me. How do you know the color of Lana Ward’s skin? Her name occurs 4 times in these comments, none of which indicate her skin color.

        • lana ward

          I believe in my God given rights–you’re a coward

      • Justin Napolitano

        Careful Lana, one of those nutty gun owners might shoot you by accident. And when the bullet is passing through your body, as has happened to 6000 children in the last two years, please reflect on the gun laws that made your demise possible.

        • lana ward

          It isn’t a guns’ fault that people have no respect for human life. It is the fault of those who have taken God out of everything and saying murdering unborn babies is a blessing. We are reaping what we’ve sowed

          • Yappy2

            Buzz Phrase that Republicans use all the time is God has been taken out of everything. One excuse for why schools are not doing a good job is because we have taken God out of schools. I’ve got news for you, God was never in schools. Religion is not supposed to be taught in public schools, that’s where churches come into the picture.

          • lana ward

            I’ve got news for you, God has ALWAYS been in schools, now that he has been taken out of everything, people are more evil and vile than ever!!!

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            I’ve got news for you, Lana. God is a construct devised by ignorant and superstitious prehistoric peoples to explain natural phenomena that they did not understand. Good and evil have little to do with belief in the supernatural.

          • lana ward

            I pity you. You are ignorant of life itself

          • Russell Byrd

            Of course, you are just “ignert.” PERIOD!

          • Russell Byrd

            Yes, God has little to do with good and evil. Look at yourself and the lies you tell for your own sick, perverted entertainment. Really, I am sure you do not even believe in God at all. God is just something that your sick mind enjoys foisting off on unreceptive people in an attempt to get the response you desire.

            Lana, or Larry, or whatever you are, the Commandments that you break on nearly every post would preclude any possibility that you will ever see Paradice. (Misspelling intended)

          • lana ward

            How is this once great country doing with God taken out of everything. We even has a muslim terrorist in our WH because of it. We are headed for WW111, isn’t that great!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            Tiresome lies, lana, my MAN. Our President is neither a muslim nor a terrorist. If you are not just a troll, and an idiot troll at that, you know that lie will never fly outside the idiot fringe. Oh yeah, that is where you live, sorry.

            We do not need your god in anything. Look at how you lie. Your god is one of hate. That is not my God. We need to learn how to take care of our nation and people. Everybody is free to worship in their own way. They do not need a self-loathing closet queen named lana, telling them how to live or worship.

            If we follow your path, yes, we will have WW3, and it won’t be great. You cannot go through life trying to control the lives of others without causing major conflict. Of course, that is exactly what your idol Hitler tried to do. And he was a believer too! How did that work for the world?

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Fine, Lana. Just please don’t teach about god in my schools, and I won’t teach about facts in your churches.

          • lana ward

            God can take your life at any second. Are you ready?? Without God , you have no facts on life

          • Russell Byrd

            The actual primary purpose of our schools was to TEACH our children HOW to learn. Teaching religion not only meant often teaching falsehoods, but subverted the whole reason for having schools. Teach your religion in church or Sunday school where it belongs. Let those children that have inquisitive, intelligent minds get smarter, instead of “the stupid” that you so greatly desire.

            Look at you! An example of a total failure of trying to put God in schools. How much dumber can a lump be than you?

            As for more evil and vile, go away and let the air clear of your stench. Then this group will no longer be vile and evil.

          • lana ward

            You can’t be that stupid. Teachers nowadays are communists. They are teaching our kids NOT to learn!! Half graduating can’t even read!! The only thing kids are being taught is sex. I would think you would think teaching God would be a blessing to kids–or are you communist too

          • Russell Byrd

            You are so consistent a liar, and an over the top, unbelievable liar, that it is almost silly for me to reply to you. You are even too stupid too cover your lies or, more importantly, even come up with a lie that has some plausibility. Give me a citation for all these “facts.” I already know this is from your evil inner self. You are an embarrassment to God. Pure evil.

          • lana ward

            You’re the liar, not me!! You can’t take the truth about Ohomo. You are one of Satans’ MANY disciples!!! Don’t bother me anymore, you are contaminating my PC!!!!+++++++++++++

          • Russell Byrd

            Dear anal draw, if you do not want to be accused of lying, don’t LIE. You must not even know who you are really worshiping because your head is full of pure demons. Breaking the Commandments multiple times on every occasion that you come here, will earn you a well-deserved spot in Hell.

            Between you, me, and Obama, we ALL know that the only real “homo” amongst us is YOU. Yes, I know all about you. If you like, PROVE beyond any doubt, anything you have EVER said. I will not accept right-wacky talking head rag talk. I mean someone that can actually back up your LIES with verifiable facts. The entire substance of your posts is hate, racism, lies, and an amazing predilection for corrupting our, and your, Presidents name. Calling him Ohomo, or whatever, with such vehemence only proves the extent of your Hell bound racist hate.

            If you do not want to listen to me, then leave. Of course, anyone may post, but this blog was not created to cater to right-wacko trolls, racists, and LIARS such as yourself. Everyone, except for a few trolls, hates you. I DO mean hate. The only reason you get off as lightly as you do, is most people think you are insane. Your rants are less sophisticated than what a Kindergartner would produce and are no more intelligent. (Kindergartners everywhere, please forgive me for that comparison!)

            So keep worshiping the falsehoods that evil worm you call a brain keeps dreaming up. You are a Hell bound fake.

            As to your PC, if it is so contaminated by me, then I would quickly pitch it out in the yard. Remember, throw it REAL hard.

          • Russell Byrd

            AMEN! :-)

            The problem with our schools is the right-wing, religious nuts have removed TEACHING from our schools and turned them into an anal retentive exercise in record keeping.

          • Russell Byrd

            No one ever shot anybody without a gun. With your lame brain reasoning we should all have nuclear weapons. No A-bomb ever killed anybody, either. Common sense regulation is not prohibition. In fact, regulation will save guns from being banned altogether in the not to distant future. The reason you need all the weaponry is the fact that you do have no respect for human life. You just use God as an excuse and justification for your ingrained evil.

          • lana ward

            Regulate nothing. Ohomo wants guns banned and you know it! He wants us defenseless when he sends his goons out to round us all up.–While we’re at it, we better regulate hammers, knifes and anything sharp. More people are killed with them than are with guns, twerp

          • Russell Byrd

            If we regulate senseless stupidity, you would have to wear a muzzle.

        • InsaniaFactusMirus

          Where did you ascertain the “6,000 children” figure?

          • infadelicious

            he offered no specifics there.. however too many children ARE killed but not “accidentally”. sometimes irresponsible gun owners leave these guns lying where kids can get them and that’s when “accidents” happen. most kids killed by guns are not killed by accidents. they are killed by punks in the street or punks doing drive bys at houses. these are not registered gun owners . and they are not all by middle aged red necked white bull male swaggering Texans as the posters on this website would have ya believe. The gun used in the theatre killlings was stolen from his mother. it was not registered to him. The majority of registered gun owners are responsible and have never killed anyone on purpose or by accident. It is easier to get a gun illegally than legally. if you are going to use it for evil then you certainly are not going to follow any laws, right? i find their concern for children a little hypocritical

          • InsaniaFactusMirus

            Infadelicious,

            As a lifetime member of the NRA I understand this issue very well. I’ve CC for decades.
            **
            “Concern for children”
            Re:
            It boggles the mind, doesn’t it? They embrace murder of babies before and after an “accidental” live birth- where is the outrage there? Or for the inner city violence perpetrated by/against youths?
            **
            They haven’t respect, nor understanding of Right-to-Life, Liberty or Property.
            Or recognize this as God-given, for most decry HIS presence. Isn’t that by design by ones who desire the demise of our nation?
            **
            Thus, they cannot, will not, understand the God-given “unalienable” right to self-defense ie: The 2nd Amendment encapsulated in the Declaration of Independence.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMTFBoVKLY0

  • tdm3624

    I don’t think it was just “voter suppression”. I remember reading that some businesses were planning on leaving the state, most of the county sheriffs have filed a lawsuit, and nine counties have actively looked into seceding from the state.
    My point is that the DNC shouldn’t just brush this off as “voter suppression” but should recognize that obviously there are many people who were angry about the gun-laws.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Great points, tdm. But you see, the DemonRATS don’t give a rat’s a$$ what other people think. They only know that they know what’s best for everyone else because people just aren’t as smart as they are. If everyone would just do exactly as they say, the whole world would get nearer to perfection. [dripping sarcasm]

      Have a nice day!

      “The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts – or even the lives of other people.” – Thomas Sowell, Guns Save Lives 4/3/13

      • stcroixcarp

        So what makes this Thomas Sowell guy an authority on anything? It sounds like just so much NRA terrorist propaganda.

        • ObozoMustGo

          deadfish… are you serious? Don’t bother answering, I know you are. If you knew who Thomas Sowell was, you most likely would not be a leftist freak DemonRAT.

          Here is a picture of him.

          Have a nice day!

          “You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth — and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated.” – Thomas Sowell

        • sikathelibsheet

          Do you even have a clue who Thomas Sowell is?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

          • ObozoMustGo

            sik… deadfish is just another useful idiot floating around in this sewer called The Memo. If ever extracted his head from his own arse, he’d be shocked at what he could learn.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Yeah, he’s a Clarence Thomas with a few more brains.

      • PissedoffinAZ

        Thomas Sowell is, and always has been, a fool. Guns take millions of lives, and save a handful. Comparing common sense gun laws with Prohibition shows Sowell’s total ignorance of both subjects.

        • ObozoMustGo

          PissedOn… First off, you apparently have never read anything Sowell has written. That is clear. Second, you have no clue what you are talking about. “Guns” are inanimate objects and do not take any lives, much less “millions” of them. In fact, they don’t go around shooting people by themselves. I’ve tried it with mine. I load it, put it on the table and wait for it to jump up and shoot someone or me. It still has not happened yet.

          Also, the facts simply do not bear out what you are saying. You’re basing your thinking on raw and misguided emotion, not facts.

          Have a nice day!

          “Deer aren’t capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, what am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away. They are very much like the DemonRATS in Congress.” – Ted Nugent, comparing deer hunting to politics

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            You eat deer every day? You hunt because there isn’t a grocery store within a hundred miles? Who do you Big Bulls think you are fooling? The top 4 gun running states are all RED states. TN, MO, NC and GA. Which is fine and dandy if they kept their killing machines in their states. They don’t. Just recently, NY and several interstate cops found thousands of weapons being shipped out of NC and into the northern states. This is BS. We don’t want your damn guns in our states. Keep shipping them here and we’ll keep selling them to the military. You so called “hunters” are a royal joke. You like to wear those cammos, rifles and play GI Joe or Jesse James when none of you have the mental capacity needed to be able to control your own tempers. You look for any excuse to shoot first and ask questions later. Just how long do you think you’ll use the misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment to support your unregulated militias?

          • infadelicious

            you’re talking about someone controlling their temper? bwaaaaa haa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! that’s rich!! .. you are just blinded with rage at the thought of these “big bull males” you keep fantasizing about. You need to get a grip Elly. your posts just scream hate and anger towards men especially middle aged white employed ones. If you went hunting and spotted a big bull buck, you wouldn’t need a gun- something tells me you could bring it down with your “bear” hands. scary. ya got any one that pound cake left?

          • Russell Byrd

            Really, sounds just like Ted Nugent. At least, a deer has more sense that to shit itself. Oh, that’s right, Ted did that on purpose. I guess you worship your child molesting god, Ted Nugent.

          • Justin Napolitano

            FY, obozo you are a worthless piece of protoplasm that occupies a space that should belong to a living, breathing human being. You do nothing but criticize every effort of Americans to make their lives a little better. You never say anything about the mass killings of children in Newtown or the daily killings of hundreds of Americans by gunshot every day. If you think guns are inanimate objects that can not kill then I suppose nuclear weapons and poison gas fall into the same category and should have no laws governing the possession or use. Please go somewhere else and stop polluting the internet. your crap makes it hard to have a rational discussion.

          • ObozoMustGo

            dirtnappy…. you an the word “rational” do not belon on the same page, much less the same sentence. And guns do not kill people at all. They just sit there doing nothing. Until some idiot picks it up and decides to kill someone with it, if that’s what they want to do. 99.9% of all gun owners NEVER do anything like that. Guns are inanimate objects. Just like knives or chainsaws or gallons of gasoline or stones. They do nothing until used by people. It’s people that kill people, and they do so with a whole bunch of tools, including their own hands.
            Have a nice dirtnap, dirtnappy!

          • Justin Napolitano

            Yes, but you ignore the .1 % of people that are unstable, own guns and use them regularly to kill. I asked you a question about the same philosophy concerning nuclear weapons and poison gas and you didn’t answer it because you know, as does anyone with half a brain, that allowing the unstable to own weapons, inanimate as they are, will result in millions being killed.
            Guns have killed hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Americans and you accept that as an being of no consequence.
            We kill more people in the US with guns than we have in all of the wars combined since the Korean conflict.
            More people, have died of gunshots in the US in the last four months than died in the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars combined.
            2375 people died of gunshot in Florida in 2010. If that many people were dying of anything other than gunshot there would be a huge uproar.
            Keep up the nonsense Obozo, we need a fool to make fun of each day.

          • sikathelibsheet

            HAHAHA Can you hear me laughing? Yes the are inanimate objects. They do not kill on their own. They need someone to pull the trigger or push the button. Guns don’t kill, people kill. I’d rather be locked and loaded and take a chance I might get or detour the bad guy before he gets me, rather than stand there and let him/her kill me.
            Did gun laws stop the nut case in the Newtown shootings? If the bad guy wants a gun bad enough he’ll find a way to get one. Do you really think all those shootings that occur everyday in Chicago, a city with some of the strictest gun laws in the country, are legal guns.

          • Justin Napolitano

            We hear that same crap every time about the bad guys having guns and the good guy not. I’ll bet you tell yourself every day that you are ready and will outdraw the bad guy, don’t you?
            There are very few guns laws in this country and that is a big part of the problem.

          • Russell Byrd

            I guess you have heard about Zimmerman and his threatening his wife and her father, while fingering his “little friend.” Now there is a “good” guy. I should be whipped just for saying that.

          • Russell Byrd

            What is odd is developed nation’s like Japan. The Japanese do have limited access to weaponry. Strangely, considering what you claim, the murder rate from guns in Japan is roughly equal to the city I live in. An entire nation versus one American city. European murder rates are roughly comparable. Only in wilder, more uncivilized, and more heavily armed nations is the murder rate similar to the U.S. We are an embarrassment to ourselves and even a small attempt at improvement brings out the crazies. Of course, why am I trying to reason with one of the very crazies I am referring to.

            The problem with the bullsh*t about guns do not kill is another oddity. It seems that little bat-sh*t crazy sleazebags like you do not SHOOT anyone when you do not have a gun. Strange isn’t it. NO gun does not kill either AND no one ever dies from someone NOT pulling the trigger.

            Finally, did the streets being full of guns as they are in this nation, PREVENT the Newtown shootings. Or should we arm kindergartners. Of course, I already no you pat answers.

          • Democats and Demodog

            Quoting Ted Nugent lowers what little credibility you may have had, if you had any.

          • Russell Byrd

            That is why we cannot have a really straight discussion and the group winds up more like a pro wrestling event. Where Bozo comes from Nugent is “normal.” Even if I had similar views to Bozo, I could never consider Nugent normal, nor want him as an ally. Bozo cannot see that Nugent is a liability. Of course, to a sociopath, Nugent probably seems like a regular guy.

      • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

        What does this say about the people who voted to recall these two people under such ludicrous circumstances. How does passing stricter background checks infringe upon their second amendment rights? How does limiting the clips you can purchase to 15 rounds infringe on someones second amendment rights? If they can not hit their target with 15 shoots, than perhaps they should not own a gun. What these Gun Enthusiasts and the NRA have done is bastardised the second amendment.

        All these two individuals try to do was pass minor laws that would help make ALL the people of Colorado be a little safer. However the Gun Enthusiasts think they are the only people who count and the hell with the rest of us. They are so concerned with the Government having a list of gun owners, but have no problem with the secret data base the NRA has developed over the years and sells to people. These people and the NRA are Hypocrites and wear it well.

        Sowell was an Economics Professor so what does that have to do with this subject? He is a Republican so I would disagree with his op-eds on Social and Political issues, since I disagree with the Republic platform. Again why did you bring him into this discussion?

        • ObozoMustGo

          Nice attempt to change the topic to the NRA’s PRIVATE database. You or the government have no business accessing PRIVATE databases.

          Now, you cannot be so stupid as to believe that “gun laws” make you safer. They do not. “Why, an idiot such as you may ask, do they not keep me safe if they make me feel good when they are passed?” Well, dummy… the reason is because a criminal (that’s someone that does NOT obey laws) is not going to listen to your stupid laws. Only law abiding, good citizens will obey the law. So what good is the law if only law abiding citizens are restricted by it, and criminals are not? Well, moron, it’s only good for idiots like you that are stupid enough to believe the lies of deceitful politicians seeking to take your money and control your behavior more and more. And it clearly violates the 2nd Amendment which says that my rights shall NOT be infringed. Besides, self defense and hunting are NOT the reasons we have the 2nd Amendment.

          Have a nice day!

          “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

          • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

            I have no desire to access your data base, but the NRA was secretly collecting your data and they sell it too. The NRA supports people on Terrorist lists buying guns, that shows how much they are concerned with safety. The NRA is nothing more than a pimp for gun manufactures.

            I believe gun safety laws help prevent the mass shootings that take place. I believe stricter backgrounds checks helps keep weapons out of the wrong hands. Law abiding, good citizens may obey the law, but they also could have anger management issues, mental health issues and could become criminals.

            All the name calling in the world by you does not change the fact that people like you and the NRA have debased the 2nd Amendment. My husband is a gun owner and does not have a problem with stronger background checks or limiting clips or magazines sizes. He does not believe that either threatens his constitutional right to bear arms or his manhood.

            I have not stooped you to your level in this post, however, I am not proud to say I did in a later post.

          • Tom_D44

            Really? Stricter background checks will make you safer because law abiding citizens might have anger management issues and could become criminals? By the way i see all the name calling on this website i would declare that at least half of the people here have anger management issues. Are you proposing that we round them all up and put them in jail now just in case they were to become criminals? Your logic is clearly flawed.
            More seriously, back to your original point. Who exactly is going to be enforcing these stricter background checks and what will their qualifications be with respect to diagnosing anger management problems, mental health issues or criminal tendencies? Generally they are store clerks with no qualifications for this whatsoever. I know, maybe they will be following some really well thought out government application process, you know 1 single form that should somehow apply to each and every kind of individual walking into a store, equally, and with just a few simple questions should figure this all out with no problems. Right. Because we know that the government is perfectly suited to producing efficient and intelligent rules and regulations right? I mean just look at how the healthcare law is playing out? Until the government can show that it is competent in anything at all, i am not willing to have them start dictating to me how i need to live my life. It is not that these laws are the end all be all of whether people will be able to own or use guns. The fight is more about this – if they can come in and take away a small portion of your rights now, what next? What if this doesn’t solve the problem of gun violence – and i think most of us can agree that it won’t. Then what? What will they take away next and what precedent has been set for that? Maybe your husband should think about that because there are many on the left who would advocate for a total gun ban. Is he ok with that? Would he give all his guns back?
            By the way, just exactly how many mass shootings have been committed by law abiding gun owners anyway? And what percentage is this of mass shootings in general? When you look this up it won’t take you long to find that the facts are not going to support your points.

          • melloe

            One point tol start with. If a person breaks the law he or she is no longer a Law abiding gun owner. On the other side of it… Off of the top of my head, I can of two recent that the weapons were owned by a “law abiding gun owner” who had a mentally ill child, and by all accounts knew it, but gave them access to their guns. Does that count? Sorry, but apparently well thought out post is full of what ifs, but ifs, as well as the mistaken impression the ACA is not working pretty well already where implemented. Millions now have insurance that did not, pre-existing conditions no longer apply, and the whole thing has not even gone into effect yet. You lose credibility on that alone. Best of all, the cost has dropped significantly, and will more as more and more are added. The mass shootings have not happened in most civilized countries once they put sensible gun laws into place… so you lose on that one too. Sorry. No cigar

            BTW, I suspect there are some, but I know of no “Liberal” that wants to take your guns.

          • Tom_D44

            Melloe – Really? The ACA is working pretty well? So well in fact that congress exempted themselves from it and all the govermnent unions have now been exempted? So well that the CBO has now come out and declared that the bill will likely cost double their original estimates? So well that half the states have refused to set up their exchanges? So well that the Obama administration has now started to exempt certain large employers from the requirements to keep them from laying off workers and reducing employee hours? So well that employees aren’t losing their jobs or seeing reduced hours – they are? So well that the AFL-CIO, one of Obama’s biggest supporters and a huge proponent of the bill has now approved a resolution against the bill because…….oh yeah…..Because “the Affordable Care Act will drive up the costs of union-sponsored health plans to the point that workers and employers are forced to abandon them.” So well in spite of the fact that every insurance agent I have spoken with regarding our company’s healthcare plan has informed us that rates are going up next year 20-30%? You keep living in that dream land buddy. No I am not going to lose on this one. All middle class, hard working americans and the small businesses that employ so many of them are going to lose on this one. Not the politicians, not the big union guys, not the large corporations. Nope, only all the little people who you think are being helped. And your ignorant support for this bill is one reason we will all be paying for it. By the way, doesn’t common sense tell you that sensible regulation could have solved the pre-existing conditions problem without screwing up the entire system? Now I already know you are going to dismiss all of this as some right wing, racist, teabagger, faux news talking points, but before you do that please tell me which of the items listed above have not actually happened?

          • melloe

            Congress has exempted themselves ? are you trying to talk about the ACA and are that in poorly informed? people who are now insured have the option to keep their present insurance. Which would be sorta foolish as the indications are that the costs are coming down as more sign up, and that probably will not affect present policies…”States have refused to set up the exchanges” ( fluff politics ) when they don’t the fed does, but the interesting thing is,many of those States came round directly, or back door. Kentucky as an example is at the KYsinc office I think it is called. Arizona and several others who said they would not have come round. One by one common sense is overcoming politics. As for the Unions, there estimates were gotten before the people started signing up, and in a meeting with Obama there was a tentative deal reached dependent on what it looks like when the bill actually goes into effect. BTW, I have no skin in the game directly. I am currently having VA take care of my old battered hide. So yes, I think you are misinformed, and no from what I have seen, and consider the millions that have been saved by the elderly, and parents with children under 26 still at home, and of course the one you mentioned, pre-existing conditions.it looks like a good start. So Yes, I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised by this. ( Unless it is hate of Obama that drives your reluctance ) Keep in mind, that most of the bill has not even gone into effect yet, and people are saving money. Hospitals are adding staff and training them … looks there will be a few rough spots, but it is on track to be a winner.

          • Russell Byrd

            The anger management issues are the product of individuals that have come to a blog normally frequented by progressives, with the STATED intention of disrupting it. That is the short explanation. It gets worse.

            All of your arguments are contrived and predicated on the fact that you must find objections regardless of how weak and inane.

          • Tom_D44

            Russell dude, with all due respect it’s really hard to take you serisously – especially after reading some of your other posts. You have responded to my post, not obozo’s or infadelicious or CPA’s, and I have never stated any intentions, ever, of being disruptive to this blog. And are you really telling me that just because this blog is frequented by progressives, anyone other than a progressive is not allowed to be here? And, based on what, in my post, do you come up with the conclusion that my objections are based on the fact that I simply need to be objectionable?
            Rather than throwing out barbs to annoy those who do not completely agree with your point of view, what would really be nice it so see what significant points I made in my post that were weak and inane.

          • Russell Byrd

            Not all disruptors state their intentions plainly. I do find you as objectionable as you find me. So let us just say that I think I called you right the first time.

            What triggered my post is the fact you spoke about all the “anger management issues.” Of course, you did not post any of that rot to Bozo. So I took you as a disrupting wannabee troll.

            Let me explain a little. You became part of the problem as soon as you made a post supporting one of the most abusive posters in this blog. You added your two cents where is was already unwelcome. If you wanted to me to treat you with respect you made a snap, and incorrect, judgement based on your pre-conceived bias. If my reply makes you angry, then maybe you should look in the mirror.

            Bozo has stated on a number of occasions that he IS here to disrupt. If you cannot look at his avatar and see what he is about, then you are indeed as much a troll as he is. Some of his fellow trolls also use the word “educate.” We do not need that. This is not an idiot group like you may be accustomed to. If you agree that Bozo is a top-notch poster that has something worthwhile to say, then I posted correctly. This is your choice.

            Especially important was the fact that, as a right-wacky individual, you made an instant judgement as to who to jump on. You have a perfect right to post. If you had actually done so respectfully you would not have heard from me.

            I will ask you two questions that a smart man would see is at the root of the problem. How many posts have been made in this blog? How many of them are even remotely on-topic?

            I am sorry if you are offended, but once again, I think you came here to support the abusers. Not just be part of a fair-minded on-topic conversation. So let’s just consider it a down payment.

            By the way, one more question. You people do not generally use “foul” language, though it is far from rare. Yet, as your ilk is generally rather abusive and disruptive, why is it so hurtful to you that someone responds with abusive language? That seems to be the epitome of evil hypocrisy after all the disruption that your “friends” intentionally cause.

            Let me tell you a little story that has been important in my life. I once was at a bowling alley for a party. I had been drinking and had to go to the restroom. As I was leaving, two little boys came in. One, the bigger boy was beating the smaller boy in the head. The smaller boy was screaming and demanding that he stop. To which the larger boy replied, “I do not have to stop. Only my daddy can make me stop.” The incident had a profound effect on me. I measure hateful individuals with that story as a yardstick. Like Bozo, no one can make him stop. He can go on until he feels like it. He can say anything he pleases. He can be sickeningly vicious and never post on-topic. If you still do not get it, the short version is Bozo has rights that he is unwilling to grant to others. And know one can even ask him politely to stop or reason with him.

            Now, enter myself. I have repeatedly warned Bozo, and a number of others, of exactly what I am about. I honestly explain what I am doing and why. The short explanation is I am not here to get the last word. No, I am just here to “bully the bullies, disrupt the disruptors, hate the haters, and steal all their joy that I can.”

            When Bozo, and company, are not here, I am a very occasional poster. Rarely do I post more than twice, if at all. The exception is, when I begin to respond a lot, I continue. So, in consideration, I am sorry that I did what you did and prejudged you based on one post. Admittedly, I believe that is the first time I have seen you post.

            I will add, that on almost every occasion I only use such language to make your ilk unhappy. Like Bozo, he is so evil and obnoxious, but he goes batty if you bluntly call him something he probably is.

          • Tom_D44

            Russell if you go back into the history of my posts on this website you will find that i don’t generally engage in personal attacks or foul language. Nor do I ever intend to offend anyone. But there are many, many posters on this site that do engage in that and they truly are like a pack of wolves to anyone who doesn’t agree with them on the issues. If you are on the receiving end of these attacks it is hard sometimes to bite your tongue. I will however attack points that I think are ridiculous and I see a lot of that around here as well.
            If you look at my post you will clearly see that the anger management comment was a tongue in cheek at best. And while I threw in a little sarcasm, my more serious point was directed at the previous poster who basically said that law abiding citizens COULD have the potential of having anger management issues, mental health problems or COULD become criminals and therefore should somehow be denied a right like gun ownership – and that background checks are going figure this all out. Her point was ludicrous and any thinking person knows this. I also made a few other serious points regarding the gun legislation that the left keeps proposing. I talked about the lack of qualifications of the people who would be conducting these background checks, the government’s “one size fits all” approach to implementing these background checks and the concern that if a small part of your rights are taken away to solve a problem and the problem isn’t solved what else would the goverment consider to solve that problem? And what if they never solve it, because as we all know it’s not the law abiding people who are involved in the vast majority of these crimes. Those are very serious points and not one person on this blog has challenged me on them including you. I am still curious as to which of the serious points i mad were weak or inane or simply thrown out there by me for the sake of finding something objectionable.

          • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

            No merit to your argument but thank you for coming, and by the way the mass shooters had not criminal records so I guess just in the last couple of years Aurora had the movie theater and Temple and Sandy Hook Elementary School. Without looking it up I have three to support my facts. Good night.

          • Tom_D44

            Exactly, no criminal backgrounds whatsoever. And how many of those shooters were in possession of legally obtained fire-arms? None. And how many of these shooters would have been caught by your “common sense” gun legislation? None because in order to be detected by the system you have to be obtaining your guns legally – not stealing them from your parents. So then what? Do we deny any adults who have family members with mental illnesses or criminal backgrounds the right to a firearm? Then maybe we should deny all people who live in the same neighborhood with a person who is mentally ill the right? At some point you have to admit that it is impossible for the government to control every person whether sane or not, whether criminal or not, from whatever outcome they are capable of. Your common sense legislation defies the very common sense that it proposes to provide. Adam Lanza, or whatever his name was, did not care about the law. He did not care about peoples lives. He didn’t even care about his own mother’s life. Call him sick, call him a criminal – whatever. His mother was in denial about his problems in spite of huge red flags that most people would think to be obvious. He was an introvert. He was anti social and spent a good portion of his time desensitizing himself to killing people on video games but I don’t see any outrage about the effects of those games in our culture. The problem was Adam and his disfunctional family not the right for people to own guns. Please wake up.

          • Democats and Demodog

            I thought the NSA had access to the NRA database. Nothing is private anymore. No one wants to come take your gun, although many on this site question your mental status.

          • melloe

            Where in the heck are you from? Not the US, we don’t produce that stupid I was taught. Or are you just a paid troll. We have the highest number of guns and the most gun deaths. Countries with low number of guns have low rates of gun deaths ( fewer homicides in total ). Those are facts and common sense. Why don’t all these bad guys you are so worried about find the guns in those countries? Not because they have been taken away, but sales and distribution is controlled to keep bad guys from getting guns to start with. That don’t work now in this country because they just bring them in from a neighbouring State. The NRA is about gun sales, and don’t care bad guy or good…it is all about sales. Quote: Stupid Question of the day ” Now, you cannot be so stupid as to believe that “gun laws” make you safer.” Actually, it has been proven in almost every civilized country if universal and enforced, that the laws DO make one safer” Of course you then state incorrectly … “They do not.”

          • Russell Byrd

            Have you heard about North Carolina and their “save the gun law.” They have nearly equated guns with a life form. Really, it is too cruel to destroy a gun. The NRA / Alec written law stops law enforcement from destroying any guns under any circumstance. The gun has got to be kept “alive.” Why? Are they sacred objects to be worshiped? Apparently, YES. I am a gun owner myself, but I will be d*mned if I understand what is going on in their minds.

            The commandment that, “though shalt not kill,” seems to be corrupted to say, “though shalt have the right to shoot anyone that you think may be annoying or just a little too greasy.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      So they hold the entire electorate hostage because they threaten to leave the state? If the only reason they are in a specific state is to overturn elections to their bull way, who needs that kind of bully business in any state? Is Colorado that hard up they can’t find others who’d like to locate there?

      • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

        Let them move to Iowa. Blind people are allowed open carry there.

      • Vazir Mukhtar

        I don’t follow your logic. The businesses that might leave Colorado couldn’t have influenced many voters. I suspect that the average Coloradan paid little, if any, attention to the prospects of companies moving out of state. California is the state that has had a goodly number of businesses move to other states, and even those businesses didn’t pay that much in taxes.

        What surprises me is that the opponents of recall raised almost 5 times the amount raised by the proponents and that about half of the opponents’ funds came from out of state. One might conclude that the opponents’ marketing was singularly ineffective.

        From what I have read it seems that voter turnout was small, but oddly more people in rural areas appear to have voted than those living in urban areas.

      • CPAinNewYork

        What drivel.

  • ObozoMustGo

    Ohhh myyyyy!!!! Hank… did you have to put a picture of that hag, Debbie Whinerman Schultz, in with your propaganda piece…. errrr…. article? Sheesh… there should be a law against such things so close to lunch time. Also, Hank, you are making the common leftist freak mistake of confusing the will of legislators and the will of the people as the same thing. Clearly, you know they are not, but hey, why let that stop you when you can so easily fool the litany of useful idiots that rumble around in these forums?

    “Voter suppression” is to blame here? Who the hell are you kidding? You mean those poor old low information morons that vote DemonRAT were only given 2 WEEKS notice? I get it… I do… DemonRAT voters are complete morons, but 2 WEEKS is plenty enough time for them to program an address into the GPS App on their Obamaphones. When you’re making excuses this lame for getting your a$$es handed to you by the people, you know you’re lying through your teeth and that it’s just sour grapes.

    And blaming this on the Koch brothers???? Are you kidding? hehehehehehehehe…. you idiots on the left need to find another boogieman to blame. I also noticed there was no mention of the millions put into this recal by Nanny Bloomberg, $350,000 out of his own personal pocket, to defeat the recall efforts.

    The plain fact of this recall is that people are getting sick and tired of leftist freaks in the legislature thinking that they can rule the people and take away their rights at their own discretion. The whole recall effort was started by an unemployed plumber putting signs up in his yard… just like it should work. This is just a micro example of how most of America feels about government, especially the federal government. You leftist freaks can take your coercive, pie in the sky grand schemes and go try to screw someone else’s country. Or STFU and stay out of our lives with your constant efforts to get everyone else to comply with your efforts to create Utopia.

    Have a nice day!

    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
    the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
    its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
    – Winston Churchill

    “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of
    not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

    • infadelicious

      yep! she be one twisted sister fo’ sho’……………

      • ObozoMustGo

        Here’s one of the hag….

        WARNING!!! You will not be able to unsee this!

        • infadelicious

          JUST SAY NO TO CRACK PHOTO………AAAAAAAACKKKK!. OMG… pass the eyebleach……………. say wait a minute.. is that ed shultz or debbie shultz?

          • ObozoMustGo

            Eyebleach on the way, my friend. Sorry for that. Sort of like visual birth control, isn’t she?

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        Another fathead righties who bashes women. Must be sexually frustrated big time…Been a while for you clown?

        • infadelicious

          well i know one thing… if i look at the picture of wasserman or read another of your idiotic posts, it will be a lot longer clown….hahahaha!…projectile vomit inducing that!……… fugly is fugly wether it is a man or woman….. it’s fugly, here’s someone even fuglier -gettin her twerkin’ on…….classylike!!

          • ObozoMustGo

            .

          • ObozoMustGo

            The pics weren’t showing up before. Had to reload. Now I see it… REGRETTABLY!!!!!!
            Damit… I can’t unsee that now….

          • infadelicious

            So much fugliness so little eye bleach. Sorry

          • Russell Byrd

            Battery acid will do the job for you. . . .

      • sikathelibsheet

        OMG!!! They could be twins. But she is fuglier on the inside than the outside.

        • infadelicious

          is that possible?? ewwwwwwww… that is some fugly innards that even the muslim rebels wouldn’t chow down on…

      • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

        Is the hag on the right your mother or your wife? Perhaps it is ObozoMustGo in drag getting ready for date night with you.

        • infadelicious

          I thought it was your wife. Nuttin says lovin like marrying your cousin eh?

          • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

            WRONG again — I am a woman and married to a man. I know that word man is foreign to you, but blame your parents for not raising you to be one.

          • infadelicious

            But! He is your cousin

          • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

            No we don’t inbreed – you are confusing us with your family.

          • Russell Byrd

            You HAVE to admit that is a right-wacko trait. How else can you “recruit” new Teanderthals, if you don’t breed them yourself?

          • infadelicious

            we could have them read your posts…….

          • Russell Byrd

            Wouldn’t want to deny you the fun of creating your own little b*st*ards.

          • infadelicious

            wrong again puddin pop!!! I don’t have any bastards. women are encouraged to have either abortions OR bastards by the leftist freaks like you, if they have more bastards, they can carry on the cradle to grave mentality -keep em down – getting by with food stamps and free phones and crap AND keep em voting democrat to keep the freebies coming..

          • Russell Byrd

            Wrong again, pud spunk. You are the one that posts crap that would lead to instant insanity. Our, not your, conversation was about how you can recruit more idiots. It was merely proposed that you would do the simplest and most natural thing and breed them yourselves.

            You constantly carry on about my temper, but really, yours has been showing through every post. Like all that nonsense to characterize the poor as all being lazy. Most of your reasoning is based on bigotry, racism, and above all LIES. You lie to justify your own anger and hatred. Why is that?

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            It’s a well-known fact that teanderthals can’t read!

          • infadelicious

            mind your business! russell and i were having a private conversation! tell her russell.. cause russell says he can have a private conversation any where he wants.. DUH! BUT hey….have a nice day…puddin pop!

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            I believe that this is a PUBLIC forum. Your inane comments are right out there, infantboy, for anyone’s response. If you don’t like it, exchange personal email info with Russ and take it PRIVATE!!! Perhaps someone needs to enlighten you on the difference between public and private, but it ain’t me babe. I do not suffer fools gladly.

          • infadelicious

            well, russell disagrees- russell says its private, eleanor and you say it’s not! you guys need to get your shitake together..and i would rather give hannibal lecter my personal email than give it to russell. get over yourself. and if you don’t like it “babe” move along. I don’t need someone especially you to “enlighten” me about anything. thanks anyway “babe”. you leftist freaks always “know” everything and lash out if anyone dares to disagree.. pfffftttttttttttt!!!!!
            “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. ” Mark Twain. oh yes, have an Infadelicious day. or an infantboy day, whatever- dismissed!.

          • nirodha

            Where is the lashing out? You are so angry, most all the time. If not angry, then derisive. You make nothing but disparaging comments, offering nothing constructive, nor showing any original thought or analysis. You try to be a junior edition of bozothetpottyclown. Now you copy his practice of adding a totally meaningless quote at the end of your post. Does your boss realize that you’re wasting company time on the computer like this?

          • infadelicious

            sorry, you’re so koolaid infused that you can’t see the relevance in the cartoon or the quote so I won’t waste your time or mine reponding after this to your attempt to be a “junior edition” of russell byrd. And if you were to read his comments as opposed to mine, you can see who is angry. So copy his practice of name calling and labelling and throw in a few swear words like he does, because that is so constructive and thoughtful. Have a good day.;-)

          • nirodha

            You are truly brain-damaged if you cannot understand what’s going on here. Good luck.

          • Russell Byrd

            I will say Bozo in drag.

        • Russell Byrd

          I am going with Bozo in drag.

        • Justin Napolitano

          It is his wife AND mother.

          • Russell Byrd

            :-)

    • Democats and Demodog

      The way the GOP is going, they won’t hold a national office till at least 2024. If they keep spouting the garbage you are, it will be 2032.

  • Dominick Vila

    I hate to say this, but Sen. Wasserman-Schultz, who I admire, is ignoring the obvious. The truth is that most Americans love their guns, they love the feeling of security they provide to those consumed by fear, and they will vote against anyone who dares suggest even the most benign laws to introduce a semblance of law and order in a society run prone to take matters into their own hands.
    An example of how ingrained our love of guns, and the feeling of power we gain when we own one, is the successful GOP opposition to modify President Reagan’s Brady Act. That proposal, which is designed to make it more difficult for criminals to have access to lethal weapons by expanding the scope of the existing law to include background checks for gun purchases via the Internet and at gun shows has been transformed into the epitome of our right to kill, and it is as dead as a door nail.
    The best thing the Democratic party can do is abandon its attempts to champion common sense laws and impress the need to use lawful means and dialogue to solve our differences, and focus instead on other socio-economic problems that require resolution.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Hey Dommy! I hope you are well today. I must say that you had me all the way up to “….attempts to champion common sense laws…” You know better than that, Dommy. There’s no such thing as a common sense DemonRAT law. Other than that, I’m with you. It’s a losing issue for DemonRATS, though it’s been a long held fantasy of the leftists to get rid of all guns.

      Have a nice day, Dommy!

      “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.” – George Washington

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      The best thing American men can do is to stop trying to prove their supremacy over all creatures on the planet. Women are fed up with this BS. We watch you rape woman and children, kill our kids in droves and then you sit there like a bunch of little kings desperately trying to valid that which any woman with an education knows is wrong. Sorry…No American man needs to be armed to the teeth unless he’s a paranoid schizo.

      • ObozoMustGo

        That chip on your shoulder must really be heavy, Ellie… it’s obvious. Usually, women with that anger toward men are extremely unattractive and have resentment built up because of the verbal abuse they took growing up. This, I believe, describes you quite well.
        Have a nice day, Ellie. Go eat another loaf of pound cake.

        • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

          You’re a real man, bozo, attacking a woman from behind the safety of the anonymity afforded you by the internet. Upon occasion, in the past, I thought that some of your posts had a modicum of merit, but no more. You are a coward and a bully.

          • ObozoMustGo

            LC…. read her writing and then mine… I’m not attacking her from behind… I’m waging a full frontal assualt with the cold hard truth. She’s angry at men, BIG TIME!!! She even picks on one of the nicest guys on this board, Dominic Villa. And he’s a lefty. I like Dommy. Apparently, if even a lefty isn’t leftist freak enough like Eleanor W. thinks they should be, then they are in line for her vitriolic spewing of hate and arrogance, especially if the target of her ire happens to be male.
            Have a nice day!

          • Russell Byrd

            I think you have proven that you are a cowardly cur as disqus_ basically called you. You are the one that is angry. With everyone that is not bat-sh*t crazy.

          • ObozoMustGo

            byrdbrain… just when I think you’ve hit rock bottom on stupid, out comes the shovel and there you go, digging again!
            Have a nice day, byrdbrain!

          • Russell Byrd

            Bozo, hen sh*t like you escapes from the sewer, the safest thing to do is get the shovel out and bury it.

            Have a bad day. Bozo!

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            I never said that you were attacking her from behind…if you would read more carefully (if you are able) you would comprehend that my meaning is (now read every word, slowly) that you are hiding behind the anonymity afforded you by this forum. That is cowardly is what I’m sayin’!

          • ObozoMustGo

            hmmmmmmmmm… hiding behind anonymity….. hmmmmmmm
            That’s an odd name your mother gave you… disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            I think I hear Mr. Pot calling Mr. Kettle “black” now… loud and clear… HYPOCRITE!!!!!

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Read on, to my comment further down, if you can, with your ADD, boze.

          • ObozoMustGo

            it has nothing to do with your hiding behind an anonymous name to throw insults at me for hiding behind an anonymous name to throw insults at others….. get it????? duhhhhhh…. who has ADD around here??????????

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            I see the classic bullying tactic of an ad hominem attack in place of any logical argument. That’s because you do not understand logic and you cannot put together a cogent argument to save your cowardly niggling little ego.

          • ObozoMustGo

            oh… and one other thing…. looks like that “not attacking her from behind” thing went straight over your head…. DOPE!

          • Russell Byrd

            It understood it. She probably did too. If you worked where I do, you would likely lose your job. And I would not shed a tear. So again, I think the observation of your cowardice is quite true and appropriate.

          • ObozoMustGo

            byrdbrain….standing in line at the welfare shop is not work… just sayin

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Uh, no, I don’t think so bozie baby. Nothing that you could contrive to come up with is in the least bit subtle enough to go over my head.

        • Russell Byrd

          She probably is proud that you are hell-bent on proving what she said. . . .

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Russ, bozo is so dumb that he walks right into these situations where he indisputably proves his own stupidity! And I’m man enough to say it right to his head!

          • Russell Byrd

            Yet, the sadness I feel at times is propelled by the knowledge that these cowards can sit in comfort, hiding from responsibility, and persist in their bigotry and ignorance. I wonder, is it ignorance if it is intentional?

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Yeah, I think these know-nothings take great pride in their willful ignorance. Stupidity is a virtue to them, because it is the major trait of their hero Georgie “Mission Accomplished” Bush, which they have been striving to emulate. But, I propose that as dumb as bozie and his brethren are, they still can’t hold a candle to good ol’ Tex Bush (born in New Haven CT); all hat and no cattle (or brains).

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          Nice try Honcho…Looking for an excuse to debunk my opinions and facts isn’t working. Women today know men love to sidetrack when they can’t win an argument. Unfortunately, for most men who try to denigrate my opinions, I’m armed with a very enlightened childhood being the only female in an army of two brothers and three half brothers.

          It’s amazing how brothers can teach their sister all the wiles and schemes of the male gender.

          Calling truth and fact “resentment” is so typical of the male games. Try not to be a “gamer.” It reduces your intelligence level.

          I don’t eat junk food. I’m 4’10″ and weigh 128 very well placed lbs. I’m always amused when guys half my age give me that goony smile.

          • infadelicious

            yep you got it bad…..

      • Tom_D44

        Hey Eleanore, if you want to talk about a bunch of thug men showing their supremacy, raping and beating their women then look no further than to the middle east – and your savior Obama just can’t wait to go back over there and make more friends. Or, I suppose you could find relatively elevated levels in that wonderful minority culture of the inner cities fueled by their rap iols and rampant with drugs and crime. But i see all the bashing on this website against the white gun toting men of this country. Really?

        • CPAinNewYork

          As I have repeatedly told Ms. Whitaker, she’s a man-hating jerk.

      • sikathelibsheet

        So…. what about all the female teachers that rape their male students?
        What about the 20 year old female that just shot dead a cop in the head during a
        traffic stop. She and her boyfriend were stopped because the car had been
        reported stolen. She stole the gun from a home invasion. Women kill, steal and
        rape too.

        • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

          Yeah, we hear a whole lot about “all the female teachers” who rape their male students! There is a real epidemic of that going on! Typical know-nothing extremist right wing bullshit.

      • CPAinNewYork

        Ms. Whitaker: You really are a man-hating jerk.

    • kanawah

      No, most Americans do not love their guns.
      A bunch of bullying NRA and rightwing nuts love their guns.
      The bully and assault any one that tries to take action to get the guns out of the hands of those who should not have them.

      The US MUST have strong gun control.

      • Russell Byrd

        Yeah, I understand where Dominick Vila is coming from, but I think the majority of the American people see things more like you do. The NRA is just run by criminal bullies that have a stack of cash and are willing to do anything to get their way. While on the other hand, for whatever reason, we tend to sit on our hands, until we are angry enough to become motivated.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Give up? That is your solution? I suppose that same ideology is what you espouse to other matters that require a long and hard fight. If we followed your philosophy we might as well go back to gun duels in the street. Am I missing something or are you advocating that everyone buy a gun. follow the NRA directive and tough sh@@ if hundreds get killed by bullets, including numerous children every day?
      Is that it, give up?
      Is that also what we should do in Syria, give up? That 1400 plus children and adults died of poison gas is of no consequence? That taking action is just too hard? That the lives of people not directly in your circle and within your purview are meaningless?
      Dominick, I never thought you would be one to just give up.
      I am truly sorry that you have lost your spirit and drive.

      • CPAinNewYork

        I think that we should stay out of the Syrian civil war, regardless of what atrocities may be committed by either side. If there is foreign intervention, it should come from either the UN or an Arab nation. Personally, I favor the latter.

    • CPAinNewYork

      Considering the reports of black-on-white attacks that i’ve been reading on the internet, I think that whites would be well advised to carry weapons to defend themselves.

      Evidently there are groups of blacks who have taken upon themselves the vigilante job of avenging the killing of Trayvon Martin.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    In the old days, when an election was held, the process was simple. People placed their ballots in a box. The candidate with the highest number of ballots was declared the winner. The losers didn’t immediately demand a recall just because they wanted the election to go their way. The NRA is a bunch of Bull Males who have been spoiled rotten most of their lives and now they think they can defy the Constitution they so ball faced use against citizens who want peace and quiet in our communities and not the constant glut of gun runners running guns in the hands of all the wrong people.

    Sometimes, the only way to get rid of Bull Males with bully attitudes is to call their bluff. They want a recall? Fine…Let them recall…if the winning candidates remain the same, this better end it there for the NRA and the Big Businesses sucking off voter taxes.

  • sikathelibsheet

    If it takes them 2 weeks to figure out where to vote, apparently they aren’t informed enough to vote either. I hope they never vote again.

    • ObozoMustGo

      2 weeks should be plenty enough time to plug in an address to the GPS App on their Obozophones. Besides, what pisses off the DemonRATS is that they did not have time to organize the bus rides of loads of mendicants whom they tell how to vote and offer free hot dogs after doing so. They also did not have time to rig the ballots with illegal alien voters or multiple vote individuals. THAT is what really pisses them off.
      Have a nice day!

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        What pisses contards off is their inability to have their way 100% of the time. Most spoiled asses of the right cry poverty and then run and spend a thou on a gun to save their pathetic asses from themselves.

        Stupid is as stupid does with these loonies. Notice how they spend every waking moment bashing the president and not a single minute of taking the consequences of laying around the McMansion basement till age 35?

        • ObozoMustGo

          Whats the matter with you, Ellie? Someone put some nasty in your crack pipe this afternoon?

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            No…Like most sane, rational human beings, I detest violence and blood lust. You don’t. More’s the pity.

          • Russell Byrd

            At least we are all smarter than you. You think “crack pipe” means sticking dope up your a** and setting it (your a**) on fire.

          • sikathelibsheet

            You’re smarter because… you know how to use a crack pipe. That “splains” alot. I don’t have a clue what a crack pipe looks like let alone how to use it.

          • Russell Byrd

            I don’t know what one looks like either, but your gang of idiots are always talking about them. We can also assume that they are used to smoke “crack.” So I think it would be quit natural for a “dope” such as yourself, to use the “crack pipe” you are so knowledgeable about to smoke “dope.” That of course would follow logically that you would set your a** on fire.

            Oh, I enjoy right-wackos stupidity. I am not the least little bit concerned if you can understand the obvious, or not. . . .

          • sikathelibsheet

            Just who is my gang of idiots that keep talking about crack pipes? I don’t
            know anyone that does drugs of any kind. I don’t even know what crack is. I
            guess if you consider me stupid because I don’t know anything about crack pipes
            or any other drugs, that would be a compliment to me. Thank you.

          • Russell Byrd

            I do not consider you stupid because you do not know about drugs or paraphernalia. You ARE stupid, because you obviously cannot understand what is common knowledge, but especially, because you do not read, not comprehend.

            To you this seems to be a make or break conversation, while to me this is a trivial excursion. So for me, you are just a pimple on the a** of reasonable conversation and therefore, of no consequence.

          • Russell Byrd

            Your replies seem to give mixed signals on the accuracy of that statement. As I said before, if you could/ would only read, I have neither seen nor used such a device either.

        • sikathelibsheet

          “Most spoiled asses of the right cry poverty and then run and spend a thou on a gun to save their pathetic asses from themselves”.

          EXCUSE ME!!! What about all the welfare whores that cry poverty and send their kids to school for the free breakfast and lunch dressed in their North Face jackets and Ugg boots with braces on their teeth and have plenty of cash in their accounts to buy junk food. Or the welfare whore’s who are standing in the check out line with crap in their cart chatting it up on their iPhone only to pay with their welfare card then drive away in their Escalade. Or how about the welfare whore’s at Sam’s who pay for their groceries with their welfare card and walk out with their big screen TV. Yes I’ve witnessed this many times.

          If I want to spend a thousand on a gun so effing what. IT’S MY MONEY that I work two jobs to pay for what I choose to buy or not buy.

          SERIOUSLY, McMansion basement? I guess if they have a McMansion basement they probably worked hard and earned it. Yes there are people that work hard. What’s the matter jealous?

          Bashing the president, that’s not hard to do. What has he done. Oh yea, give away free shit so the uninformed will vote for him. But if that doesn’t work claim it’s racist to make someone show an ID to vote so they can vote numerous times. How about him giving aid to our enemies, his buddies the Muslim Brotherhood. And on and on and on. You make this too easy.

          • Russell Byrd

            So spend your money, racist. Just don’t think that no one has a right to control if their CRAZED neighbor (that being YOU) can be scampering around, foaming at the mouth, with an assault weapon.

          • sikathelibsheet

            Did I say anything about race? You are the one that assumed race had
            anything to do with it. Seems to me you are the one who is stereotyping. Now
            who’s the racist? Neither did I say I owned a gun of any type. Once again you
            assumed. I said if I wanted to buy a gun or anything else it is MY MONEY worked
            for and earned. “Foaming at the mouth”? No, I’m just sick of people thinking I
            owe them something.

          • ObozoMustGo

            sik…. byrdbrain is just another race pimp around here. He thinks you cannot possibly disagree with Obozo and it NOT be about race. The guy is a stone cold idiot. Don’t bother working over him too much. You’re pissing up a rope with that moron.
            Have a nice day!

          • Russell Byrd

            Then why do you need the guns? Who are you defending yourself from? Like an 80 year old man once said to me, “I walk where I need to go, I am not afraid like all these cowards that need to stay laid up with a bunch of guns.” He had never been assaulted in his life and lived in a part of town that even made me a little nervous. Of course, crime happens all the time, but this kind of paranoia is pathological. Not normal at all. Your type thinks you are men, but really, you are the opposite.

            As for racism, READ YOUR OWN EXAGGERATED PACK OF LIES. My accusation is based on YOUR OWN WORDS. Don’t bother lying to me by trying to “whitewash” the meaning. Pun intended!

            I can tell you are a user by your own words. You have not done anything for anyone your entire life, unless you were getting a big reward. Of course, you are always pushing into line to suck up everything you can get. I am sick of scum like you that thinks the entire world belongs to you and you do not have to share. You are a “all for me and none for thee” kind of jerk. That is why you HATE anything “progressive.”

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            C’mon, man. where do you live? It sounds like Ronnie Raygun dreamland with his “welfare queens”. That is soooo yesterday!

          • Democats and Demodog

            You always stereotype so much?

          • Tom_D44

            Please, please. Stop confusing all the hatred on this website with those inconvenient facts. And these are the leftists that preach about the bigotry on the right – yet everything they post just oozes bigotry in denial.

      • Democats and Demodog

        You must be talking about Bushphones, as the program was started under George W. Bush after Hurricane Katrina.

      • Russell Byrd

        Registering an inanimate object is not infringing anyone’s rights. No one is even proposing to take them away from anyone that is not nuts.

        You want to bring up the ignorant, disproven lies about voter fraud. Show us some real ones. Actually, most of the truly intentional ones are done by Repubs.

        Of course, assaulting someone by unnecessarily and unreasonably stopping them is quite alright with you. At least as long as the people you approve of are allowed to do what they please. Wonder why we call you all racists. The period is correct, that is NOT a question.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Keeping hoping…maybe they’ll hope up a bunch more BS for righties to mentally process in that 2 weeks it will take.

  • awoosoul

    I’m having a hard time reading the nonsense from ObozoMustGo, first what’s with all the metaphoric name calling (DemoRATS). Are you trying to be a comedian, you certainly don’t sound like an American, at least not one that loves his country first and party second. But I guess that won’t give you the laughs and smirks from your right-wing tea-party conservatives who are all about hate. Hate the Democrats, Hate the President and hate anyone including your neighbours if they (shutter to think) disagree with you. These are lessons we were supposed to learn in grade school, to respect each other and listen to opposing points of view, not to continuously throw barbs at each other. How old are you and how much education did it take to come up with these ridiculous names you’ve initiated. When people are faced with major problems in their life they turn to their friends, NOT their party, give me a break. When a country goes to war the citizens are supposed to rally around their leaders. Didn’t we hear that from George Bush and if we criticized the government we were told it was un-American, hmmm. Where are those same voices NOW? And where are the voices of reason who will listen to those across the aisle to come up with a reasonable compromise. Unfortunately the Limbaugh crowd wants it their way or the highway and sadly, compromise has become a dirty word.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      This is what their mothers and fathers of the right taught them is “class.” We know they are nothing more than a bunch of “ignernts” who can’t tie their own shoelaces without begging McMommie’s help. And, they will never admit this but their bravado is more Booze and drugs than it is manhood.

      • infadelicious

        see above picture of first “lady” for “class”………

      • CPAinNewYork

        You consistently use the type of language that awoosoul abhors. You’re the political opposite of ObozoMustGo, but your main thrust is that you hate men, possibly because of your failed marriage and assuage your hatred by referring to men in derogatory terms. .

        • Russell Byrd

          After looking at the filth that Bozo posts, you can say that with a straight face. Are you actually an effeminate woman hating gay?
          You make me question whether being a man is all that great. Fortunately, their are a lot of us, on BOTH sides, that are appreciative of women and not hateful toward them.

          I will point out that your true colors continue to shine through, more and more. I am glad I tried to share a little humor with you. Your evil came jumping out. You cannot contain the fact that you are a right-wing abuser and user of your fellow man.

          • CPAinNewYork

            If you question being a man is all that great, then perhaps you doubt your manhood, if in fact you have any manhood.

            From where do you conclude that I’m a woman-hater? Certainly from nothing that I wrote.

            You’re a barefaced liar, using made up “facts” to gain an advantage in this argument.

          • Russell Byrd

            What facts did I make up? Your first sentence is a contrived LIE. So which of us lies. How do I conclude you are a woman-hater? You’re joking? Right? You have been at it since you came here with your little self-important put downs.

            As for this latest exchange, you started it, but as the last couple of times, I WILL FINISH IT! So keep hating and thinking your fellow man is inferior if he is not created in your greedy mold.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Don’t you ever support anything you say with a specific reference? You’re all innuendo and snide remarks with nothing behind what you write. I’m not a woman-hater. if you conclude that I am, give me the reference that you’re using to come to that conclusion.

            I think that you’re an old retired guy with nothing more to do than sit at your computer and make outrageous remarks about people you know nothing about. Why do I think that you’re retired? I think that because I cannot imagine any gainfully employed person having the time to compose the impressive amounts of written garbage that you do.

          • infadelicious

            it is quite obvious that as much as Russell Byrd claims to come here for an intelligent conversation, the only people he latches onto are those who disagree with him. Today is a prime example.. he gets off on being insulted and using profanity and labelling people racists and implying they are homosexuals and/or questioning their manhood or anything else he thinks will piss them off..name calling ceased to bother me after grade school so all that really happens is another Russell Byrd temper tantrum meltdown.. it’s become boring and predictable..so i give hm the last word again and he stilll is not happy so he will have to find someone else to swear at…why would he not ignore posters he doesn’t like and seek out the many posters here to have those “intelligent” convos….why not? because he is here to do what he says those who disagree with him are here to do… to disrupt and vent his rage and hate and self loathing

          • Russell Byrd

            The only people I “latch” onto are the creeps that come here with the stated purpose to disrupt, troll, lie. Mine is not rage, but simply a successful attempt to keep your ignorance contained by wasting your time, and denying you the joy of winning.

            I have played you admirably. . . .

          • CPAinNewYork

            infadelicious:

            Good advice. I recently send Mr. Byrd a response telling him that I consider him to be a jerk and that I’ll ignore him.

            I see by his post below that you’ve figured him out quite well. Thanks for the advice.

          • Russell Byrd

            You know dickhead, you started this situation before, when I gave you a much worse drubbing than this time. If you have noticed, since you QUIT the last time, I HAVE NOT POSTED TO YOU ONCE! I have scrupulously avoided you, yet YOU have to start on me again. Now you think that you have the right to turn people off and on.

            Don’t you get that has been what this argument has really been about? You are just so special. A real tender flake.

            I hope you enjoy your relationship with your new friend. That is as unnatural as unnatural can be. Do you realize that you have proven that all your posturing about criticizing the right-wing has just gone out the window. You are in bed with one of the biggest jerks in these blogs. If you tend towards the “left” as you claimed, he will play you like a fiddle. He is laughing at you right now. He is laughing at me too, but it is all false bravado, and I really couldn’t give a damn.

            On the other hand, you should go well together. From now on, when you post to me, I am just going to tell you to “fuck off.”

            My motto is, and has always been, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” You think I am your yo-yo, I proved to you I am not. Yet, you are too stupid and arrogant to get it. So jerk, go jerk your new friend off.

          • ObozoMustGo

            CPA.. it’s not too hard to figure out what an idiot byrdbrain is. And you are correct…. he is a class A jerkoff!

          • Russell Byrd

            Do “you ever support anything you say with a specific reference?” If you did not hate women, you would not be speaking to them as you do. You invited the remarks, that in frustration, those women gave you. Of course, you can be as big an ass as you please. You are important.

            I am rather careful in what I say. Find that funny? Well, do to your own insulting manner, I do not have to treat you with respect. I do not start these altercations. I just do not quit them after they begin. As I have said until I am “blue in the face,” it is about denying you the joy that you believe you can gain from insulting other people.

            And no, I work every day. I always will. I am just a lot smarter and faster than you are. And that is about as arrogant as I ever get. Yet, as it happens to true in this case, it is not really arrogance, but hard fact.

          • CPAinNewYork

            To me, you’re a jerk not worth spending any more time on.

          • ObozoMustGo

            CPA… welcome to the ire of the left. You’re getting a good dose of it from the leftist freaks in here. You see their strategy never really changes. Anyone with sensibilities that don’t compute in their diseased minds gets called names…. sexist, racist, homophobe, islamophobe. blah blah blah blah. This is the way they shut down debate and put you on the defensive trying to prove an unproovable negative. They’ve been doing this to conservatives for years.

            And sorry for late reply. I have not gone through this thread in a while.

            Have a nice day!

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            You’re the one who secretly hides gross insecurity and inability to mature sufficiently to full manhood. Protesting every step of the way to prove you and only your have all the answers…now there’s real maturity. Constantly insisting you are going to get the final word…more of your brand of maturity?

            Life is all too short to deal with sniveling, grossly insecure men who simply cannot accept that they are not royalty, don’t have any privileges anyone, man, woman or child, does and continues to prove their communication skills should be relegated solely to working with numbers…not people.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Still sticking your nose where it’s not wanted, eh? Well, bitch, I told Byrdbrain that I’m going to ignore him and i’m going to do the same with you.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          CPA…I have 2 sons, 11 nephews, had 2 biological brothers and 3 half brothers…You hate it that a woman who grew up in a man’s world isn’t falling for the male gamers out there. I also work in an largely male field…environmental engineering. I think it’s time men like you fessed up and admitted you try to pull off every conceivable, known game to try and prove no woman can be as smart as a man. Now, how obtuse do you need to get before you face the fact that NO educated woman will tolerate men acting like spoiled little brats? Particularly a woman like me who can spot a male gamer for miles around?

          Grow up little man. You want the last word with every woman. Not going to happen. I am smart enough to support myself and don’t particularly need any man. I keep a few in my inside circle who have brains enough to realize woman are not going to tolerate being No. 2 all their lives. Something men like you can’t abide in any shape or form.

          If I hated men, I wouldn’t bother to even communicate with any of them. By the way, my very best friend? He’s an educated guy with a huge spectrum of interests, apart from his professional career as a PhD from MIT in robotics Now…do you want to grow up and be a man? Or is acting like a spoiled child your only function in this life?

          • CPAinNewYork

            You keep saying the same thing in different words. To me, you sound like a first class bitch who hates men.

            This all started with my observation to another contributor that running Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren on the same ticket for the presidency in 2016 would constitute an unbalanced ticket and could very well cause the Democrats to lose.

            Even though you weren’t addressed in my response, you jumped in with your ad hominem charge that I was being sexist. You didn’t have the decency to address the reason I think that an unbalanced ticket is political suicide.

            I’m not sexist, but I dislike Hillary Clinton intensely because I think that she’s a crook and a murderer and dislike her adherents for their phony adulation of her “accomplishments.” She’s little more than a political opportunist, basically an intelligent person, but of low ethical standards.

          • Earlene Walker

            I do understand the problem here…really i do. See women given brains too, the only difference is that women use the one in their heads, not like you sir. So sorry, the one in your pants is the only one that seems to work for you. “Poor Little Guy”.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Earlene:

            I doubt that you understand the “problem” at all. I never wrote that women don’t have brains. You inferred it, probably because you take offense at anyone who criticises Hillary Clinton.

            It’s an interesting and possibly effective tactic. Criticize Hillary or any other woman and you’ll be labelled as anti-female.

            I detest Hillary Clinton because I believe that she’s a crook and a murderer. She’s so ambitious that she stayed married to a guy who continually humiliated her and their marriage by engaging in numerous sleazy affairs with loose women. He made the country the brunt of foreign jokes. She turned a blind eye to all that because she coveted the publicity of being the First Lady and thought that it would be the stepping stone to high office.

            She may be right. Hopefully, she’s wrong. If Hillary Clinton becomes president, we’ll be burdened with a president who cries when things get tough, as she did in the 2008 run for the Democratic nomination.

          • Earlene Walker

            Oh you poor dear man, as I have already noticed….you do see things through a different pair of eyes (FOX news?) Please don’t misinterpret this:….as you should know by now…there is more than one side to every story.. It would do you good to read up on this country’s history of present and past presidents (including their families). As with ALL men and too many women. there is a lack of morality in marriage and in life. Many if not most of our past presidents have had at least one love affair, it no more. Now no one has ever complained about this (look up Eisenhower, used government money to build his lover a home. Washington, Jefferson, even your great Reagan. And even you must know of the affairs both father & son Bush were involved with) the difference the party NOT in at the time didn’t use government money (our tax money) to exploded it. In my mind they are all’ not worthy of any of our trust, but I find it totally unfair & uneducated of you to make such claims as you reason of attack.

          • awoosoul

            We are falling deeper and deeper into the abyss of name-calling and generalizations that have no merit. Lets start with “murderer” wow now that’s reaching and Bill O’Reilly your are not. And a person of low ethical standards, another far reaching but completely off base remark. She’s a mother, a wife and a person who has gone through all the struggles that life has had to offer and still was successful. She went to university, she graduated she had a successful life in business and now in politics, this is what kills me, have you had the many successes she has had, but no you want to sit back and spew hate, sorry Charlie, that’s NOT going to work here. We have enough people who are lacking ambition, lacking the capability to succeed in this challenging time and because of your political leanings you want to demonize her, hmm remember what Kennedy said, ” Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”. So now tell us what exaclty have you done that has helped other people in your community, do you volunteer, do you help your neighbors or are you one of those who care little about others and think helping those who are down as a nuisance. Kind of like your party trying to dismantle the SNAP program. I guess the thought of helping others doesn’t sit well in your palete. So maybe instead of throwing barbs you might want to see if you can be part of the solution, instead of (like House Reps) being part of the problem.

      • AMADAL

        Every post from obozomustgo is nothing but proof he has s**t for brains. I just skip it–haven’t read any of his crap since before the reelection of Obama. It’ a waste of time.

      • bhaggen

        May I suggest Vagisil Maximum Strength Medicated Anti-Itch Crème with Odor Block.

        • infadelicious

          I hope she shares it with Russell Byrd

        • ObozoMustGo

          bh… after all these years… byrdbrain thought that stuff was toothpaste!!! hehehehe

          • bhaggen

            I can tell you are somewhat sarcastic, but you don’t really have merde (pardon my French) for brains do you?

      • nomoretraitors

        The left’s idea of class is calling Sarah Palin a c**t (foul-mouthed misogynist Bill Maher) and Laura Ingraham a s**t (Mr Ed the Talking Horse’s A** Schultz).
        And you have the gall to lecture others about class? Pardon me while I puke

        • infadelicious

          That would be a puke a Palooza Eleanor’s and a couple others are man hating “bull male ” haters. Whatever! Dont waste your time

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Aww…jealous little boi….His Pampers are all muddy and Big Momma is too busy getting her palms buttered by Big Daddy to change her lil man…I hate bull males. Your kind of male wants women to be stupid. Sorry..I haven’t been stupid since I was out of diapers…something you obviously are still wearing with that bitchy whining like a big baby.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          I have more than gall pallie…I’m calling your bluff…Either you post the facts you claim or you can stuff your hot shot Stars and Bars BS where the sun doesn’t sun. No one on the left calls Sarah Palin anything but what she really is…Backseat Becky with a Big Mouth. Her level of class is equal to that of a blackfin tuna..no wait…the blackfin has more class…it doesn’t see Russia from it’s back door and doesn’t defile the English language with a “betcha” in every public speech like Palin does. What the hell is a betcha? Is that anything like a “y’all?” Try again oh great classless righty…every day your kind prove exactly who and what you are…Not Americans…slugs of a misguided ideology. Narrow minds like yours belong in landfills not in public posts.

    • ObozoMustGo

      2 things:

      1) it’s DemonRATS, not DemoRATS…. Demon is there for a reason.

      2) There is no compromise with evil, and the progressive (read socialist) left IS 100% evil.

      Have a nice day!

      “Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell

      • awoosoul

        You got the guts to quote Orwell, man talk about off-topic. And if you had even a “tiny” brain you’d realize that no-one on the left or right is 100 per cent evil, that is just Limbaugh nonsense you’re spouting without any regard for your fellow citizens, just because they might disagree with you. What are you going to do, “take your ball and go home”. Grow up and realize we are all people with different backgrounds, different religious beliefs and different values. Get your head out of the sand and be an American FIRST and right-wing zealout second. I’d like to see you broke-down on the side of the road and a “liberal” pulls over to give you a hand. Are you going to be an idiot and start spewing hate or you going to say, “hey thanks man” and admit good people come in all colors and all political persuasions.

        • ObozoMustGo

          I 100% agree that good people come in all colors, sizes, backgrounds, and political persuasions. But that does not mean that we must compromise with their evil and misguided ideology. For far too long, Republicans have been compromising with leftist DemonRATS and moving America to the left. The compromising must stop. And as the Repubs are finding out, those who wish to continue on the same path of compromise will find themselves out of a job when they are challenged in the primaries. Either the Repubs change back to the party of individual freedom and liberty, or they will go the way of the Whigs. Frankly, I don’t care whether the party dies or not. Certainly, just because the party dies doesn’t mean the ideas and traditional American principles die. They will live on.

          Have a nice day!

          “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the
          people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”
          — Tench Coxe (1755–1824), writing as “A Pennsylvanian,” in “Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution,” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, p. 2 col. 1

          • awoosoul

            Your uncompromising attitude and rigid beliefs are exaclty what has been plaguing the republican party and doomed them to second place finishers and out of the White House. Just listen to conservatives like Murdoch and Aiken and there’s many more on the right who are so narrow-minded they drag the whole party down with them. Life is NOT black and white but many shades and many colors. What might be right for you could be wrong for someone else. Leading a country means appealing to ALL people not just those who are in lock-step with your ideas and values and stop this nonsense that only the right-wing conservatives have the American values locked up. You’ve been listening to Mark Levin too much. And all this crap you keep citing over and over in an attempt to justify your position could be interpreted many ways. reminds me of the bible thumpers who love to cite the bible unless of course the passages don’t fit their agenda, then it’s “well that was a different time”. And also you got this crazy notion no Democrats lead good lives with traditional American values, wow, what planet are you on. I know many hard working families on the right and the left that if you didn’t mention politics, you would think are very good Americans as well as people. This bit about calling Democrats, demons, might be a good smirk for you, but don’t quit your day job because it only makes you look silly, since any debater will tell you when you resort to name-calling it’s because you’re losing the debate.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Like I said… good people come from all walks of life. In fact, I believe that the vast majority of people are actually good people, regardless of political views. But like I said, your leftist freak, socialist ideology IS evil and cannot be compromised with. You don’t realize it because it’s a disease of your mind. And it can be cured, it’s just really hard because of how closed minded you are. The paradox of the closed minded left is that they actually think they are open minded, all the while criticizing speech from the other side. The left is the home of the politically correct police, not the right.

            Also, they call themselves “progressive” when NOTHING could be more REgressive than bigger government and more tyrannical coercion of the individual through subjugation of individual sovereignty to the “collective” good. These are not progressive ideas… they’ve been dreamed of, AND tried, since Plato wrote “The Republic” nearly 2500 years ago. Never once have they worked for any extended period of time. And they never will. Not here. Not anywhere.

            Have a nice day!

            “Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such thing as Wisdom; and no such thing as public Liberty, without Freedom of Speech; which is the Right of every Man, as far as by it, he does not hurt or control the Right of another. And this is the only Check it ought to suffer, and the only bounds it ought to know. This sacred Privilege is also essential to free Governments, that the Security of Property, and the Freedom of Speech always go together; and in those wretched Countries where a Man cannot call his Tongue his own, he can scarce call any Thing else his own. Whoever would overthrow the Liberty of a Nation, must begin by subduing the Freeness [sic!] of Speech; a Thing terrible to Public Traitors.” — Ben Franklin

          • Russell Byrd

            You missed the point of Plato. Those were “progressive” ideas and still are. You are allergic to the truth. As well, you are so limited in intelligence that you can only use the words “progressive” and “liberal” in a derogatory manner. You refuse to understand what they mean and that the philosophy associated with them have guaranteed, not only the advancment of society, but also our freedoms.

          • ObozoMustGo

            byrdbrain… they are relative terms and in today’s world, they are most certainly negative. One cannot discuss evil and negative without doing so in a derogatory manner. Anyone that identifies with the “progressive” ideology (which means socialism) and is even just slightly aware of the failures of this evil ideology in the 20th century, and still supports it, is an asolute flat out moron. You must be an uneducated idiot to not see this.
            Have a nice day!

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Once again, bozo, you have managed to remove any remaining doubt about your lack of comprehension. If I read you correctly, you state that “progressive” ideology means socialism and is evil. Where did you learn this? Who were your professors?

          • Russell Byrd

            Bozo’s mentor was Dr. Rush Mengele, with Dr. Bill O’Hitler and Professor Sean Insanity having pivotal roles in the degeneration of Bozo’s mind and the devolving of his moral character.

          • Russell Byrd

            You just proved what I have been saying to you for a long time. You spout moronic propaganda, spoon-fed to you by your unnatural heroes. You have very little original, conscious thought, not any conscience.

            Socialism is not only not failing, but it is absolutely the opposite of evil. A system that values and gives all people a chance cannot be evil. Socialism is succeeding in all of the most advanced nations and hinders free enterprise very little. Socialism, if you had ever set aside your ignorance and hatred, and shear laziness for gaining knowledge, is the basis of any successful Democracy.

            Yet, a system that uses stooges to suppress individual rights and the will of the people, by using huge sums of money pirated from the real “creators,” i.e. people that actually work, is indeed evil. A system that can pay mouthpieces to spew lies to create division so that we do NOT do “what is in our own best interests.” Can you name that truly evil system? Free enterprise is not that system. In fact, this evil system works constantly to destroy free enterprise and free trade. The system you worship is run for the benefit of out of control dictator wannabes. This system even put Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini in power. Why don’t you face the facts of what is truly evil. Of course, like many, you wish to serve this evil.

          • KDJ54

            Well, United Nations just released its survey as to those country where their citizens are the happiest. It seems that all those socialist countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are leading the pack once again. Imagine all those evil Norwegians basking in there evil countries afflicted with socialized medicine and workplace protections, and societies where crime is low and guns are almost non-existent. Tragic it is for them to live in such happiness, while we of the true doctrine can’t even crack the top 10. What is it about all those deluded Scandinavians who can’t recognize that they are wretched dupes, who should be yearning for freedom from the repressive bootheel of their socialist government. Why even Inc. Magazine had the gall to publish an article establishing that Norway produces more entrepreneurs than any other country in the world. Go figure I wonder how much they had to pay for such propaganda, or is it that socialists are really happier. Have a nice day.

          • Yappy2

            Love that post.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            If his post is to be construed as how he perceives Plato, ol’boze has no clue as to the meaning of the Platonic ideals. Progressive is a concept, not a political party.

          • Russell Byrd

            I think we would agree that it is the stated purpose of our right-wacko posters to enjoy themselves by disrupting the on-topic posting. Leads one to the conclusion that the charges of cowardice and bullying are true. Absolutely true.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            They are apparently unable to understand logic, are not well-read, and I would wager to say, if arguing in person, would try to shout down any opposition to their preconceived notions rather than developing proof of their positions. That does define a bully and an intellectual coward.

          • Russell Byrd

            Seriously, I think in order to save themselves, the Memo will have to put some monitoring in place and screen out the abusers. All these morons come here to do is bully and disrupt. This is what these sick cretins do for entertainment.

            It is not that I don’t take perverse pleasure in giving them more than I get, but eventually, any pertinent conversation will become impossible. I am certain of the knowledge that the typical right-wing hangouts do not tolerate such abuses. They make a sham attempt at the appearance of free speech, but one must be careful what one says, and especially, how hard a point is pressed. NOT here.

          • infadelicious

            yes, get the moderater nazis in here cause someone disagrees with you… shut down the voices of anyone who has a different view than you……………TYPICAL DEM……..when you oppose it’s free speech, when others oppose you, ya gotta shut em down… thanks for once again showing your true colours.

          • Russell Byrd

            Thanks for proving my point. With you, and CPA, and the rest here, on-topic posting will become difficult (already is) and eventually impossible. If Memo does not move to do something, they will have no readership whatsoever. That is what you desire and that IS CENSORSHIP of the worst kind. That equates with the criminal activity of your two heroes in the picture.

            Once again, and you know this is true. If I came to harass, bully, and lie, I would be thrown out of a right-wacker group in the first thirty minutes. Is that not censorship?

            I do not propose censorship. I am proposing the common sense tactic of removing posters that continue to post lies and objectionable material, and only come to troll, disrupt, and bully. You have never in all the time you have been here ever responded to those accusations. The time is past, you have tacitly agreed that is the only reason you have come.

            What are YOU trying to do, if not censorship. Turning on a loud radio in an attempt to silence conversation is censorship. That is exactly why you are here.

            Think about the obvious. For example, the topic is about a recall vote. Practically from the beginning you will start on Obama. Even your avatar is designed to state that you are here to insult and be off-topic. Should we allow you to continue? We both know the answer and we both know you will continue to LIE, BULLY, and TROLL.

            In practice, every time you come here you wind up recruiting for us. That is why, even after all the criminal activity aimed at stealing elections, you are starting to lose more than you win.

            If you are not here to drown out free speech, then why are you here? OR is it you are just mentally ill? You are, but I think you still know what you are doing?

            So, I will ask again, WHY ARE YOU HERE, when you have no affinity for the people that post here? This question will continue to be asked from now on, until I get a coherent answer. Telling me it is your right is not an answer.

            And you can keep your cartoon, dickhead, those are your heroes. They fully believed in suppressing the right of free exchange of ideas. Just like you, the only free speech they believed in, was their own.

          • infadelicious

            ;-)

          • infadelicious

            ” I am proposing the common sense tactic of removing posters that continue to post lies and objectionable material” = lies and objectionable material according to russell byrd…. I THINK NOT! you leftists always know everything, and try to jam it down anyone throat who disagrees …anyone who disagrees is racist, woman hater, gay hater. children hater, throwers of grandmothers off cliffs.. whatever! get used to it! you are not always right.. you do not want to have disussion unless its with someone who agrees with everything you say. your hair trigger temper is set off by anyone who disagrees on here and you “shout them down” or try–with your name calling and labelling and foul language. it doesnt work with me. and i will keep posting the following every time you ask your question of why i am here. ’cause the quote fits….
            It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. Mark Twain.

          • Russell Byrd

            You continue to prove my point. Except for a few occasional crazed creeps, no one hear wants to hear your LIES, anyway. If you are not here to drown out free speech, then why are you here?

            In practice, every time you come here you wind up recruiting for us. So, yours is really a lost cause. You have nothing to gain beyond a sick satisfaction that you are a malevolent child causing trouble for the “adults.” Adults, that is “us,” the normal posters.

            Oh, I already knew about your shenanigans, but I never dreamed you threw your grandmothers off of cliffs. Oh my! You can only do that twice, right?

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Russ, it’s actually fun witnessing these mental midgets in action, because it makes me realize how fortunate I am. It does give one pause, however, to read the rabidly unbalanced ravings that these TPotty clowns spew. However, we all have our first amendment rights, and I tend to agree with Churchill when he said “I may disagree with what you say, sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. That being said, their totally unhinged ideology, as expressed in their vitriolic ad hominem attacks on any and everything that they disagree with belies their lack of ability to frame a cogent and well-reasoned argument. Logic is a stranger when these guys exercise their few remaining brain cells. Reading their drivel can become boring, though, because it is so thoroughly predictable! Arguing with these TPotty clowns is like fighting a duel with an unarmed man! Res ipsa loquitur!

          • CPAinNewYork

            Ok. I’m impressed. Now tell us what “Res ipsa loquitur.” means in English.

          • nirodha

            C’mon, CPA, you’re an educated guy. In your field, you must deal with some legal terms. Res ipsa loquitur=the thing speaks for itself. Glad to be of service.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Thanks. This may surprise you, but Latin isn’t an educational requirement for becoming a CPA.

          • Russell Byrd

            Do what a person that wants to educate himself and does not rely on others to “create” for him, and then only takes. LOOK IT UP! You really should know what it means anyway. I do. And I am just an Historian and Geo-economist. Not an (self) important CPA like you.

          • CPAinNewYork

            You self-importantly use Latin to impress and then tell me to “look it up.”

            If you use a foreign expression, you’re obligated to explain what it means. The language here is English.

            Are you an academic? If you are, I guess that the use of Latin to impress your readers is to be expected.

          • ObozoMustGo

            CPA… byrdbrain’s biggest struggle is the effort to impress himself with his posts….. just sayin

          • Allan Richardson

            Latin for “the thing speaks for itself.” Meaning that the very item being discussed leads to an obvious conclusion. For example, if the police find a dead body with a bullet that matches the gun that a suspect had on his person when arrested, that is probable cause to arrest the suspect, but the prosecution would still have to prove that someone ELSE did not have temporary possession of the gun (and if so, with or without the suspect’s approval).

            However, when the firing of the gun and the dropping of the body occur in front of a crowd of witnesses, and maybe a video camera, as when Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald in the police station, THAT is “res ipsa loquitur.”

          • CPAinNewYork

            The Memo shouldn’t monitor what people write. That’s censorship. To do that destroys its credibility. What the Memo can do is disallow certain curse words and dirty language.

          • nirodha

            Why disallow anything? Curse words and dirty language constitute freedom of speech.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Unfortunately, you’re right, but I think that the egregious use of scatological terms detracts from the effectiveness of many of the postings, as the reader may tend to focus on the curse words and not the message.

          • Tom_D44

            Yes CPA, you are exactly right. OR it speaks to the character of the individual posters. It discredits them and marginalizes what they actually have to say. Just take a look at Russell’s response to your post. Who would listen to this guy?
            Disrupters don’t control the debates. All they do is provide a difference of opinion which a lot of these people don’t like to hear. If you provide that using obscenities or in a rude manner then I agree you are out of line. But if you are not throwing out obsenities and happen to have a different point of view your are attacked by a pack of wolves because you have disrupted their little National Memo pep rally.

          • Allan Richardson

            More of us should be like the Quaker in the story, who was rear ended in a fender bender, and the other driver drove off. The Quaker yelled, “when thou arrivest home, may thy mother run out from under thy porch and bite thee.”

          • Earlene Walker

            You are absolutely right. Let the whole world see just how smart you really are, by the content of your remarks. What a wonderful idea..and spell them anyway you want too. We don’t need education, we don’t need respect, we don’t need GOOD thinking in this world…just put it out there…RIGHT? HONESTLY! not even you can be this uneducated. So very Sorry for you.

          • Russell Byrd

            You are a piece of shit, CPA. You want freedom to pick fights, slander, and be insidiously off-topic. BUT you want nice, clean speech. To HELL with that and YOU. If you pick fights with people that have done nothing to offend you, and engage in trying to beat them into the ground, when YOU started the argument, then you are just another TROLL. And a touchy troll to boot.

            I have intentionally uses “dirty” language to make a point, and demonstrate that hate speech, such as yours, does not often use that “dirty” language.

            For more, refer to what I said to your fellow Kock sucker, infantdelicious. Kind of creepy guy if you ask me.

            If Memo does not take some action, posting will grind to a halt. I already went to five topics in the last three days that had no discussion, and quite a number more had only one, two, four, etc. comments. In the more active topics, three quarters of the posts are replies to the LIARS and bullies. Like our nation, nothing will stand for long with that kind of division. Memo will perish if they allow the disruptors to control the blogs.

            This is NOT censorship, but removal of posters that have nothing to contribute. You can go ahead and include me, but when the LIARS, bullies, and trolls are gone, you will probably not even see me post except on rare occasions.

            As I have said to your shit buddy, old “delicious,” you can bet your bottom dollar that the right-wacker groups, where you belong, would throw you out in a heart-beat if you act there, the way you act here.

          • infadelicious

            Wow! I shall pray you get help for your hair trigger temper Russell. It’s not good for your health. I can almost see your eyes bleeding. I would hope the memo would turf you and Fern for your foul language alone before they turf me for cartoons and quotes. Your language is quite objectionable and unnecessary if one is a normal decent person trying to make a point. Have a nice day. ;-).

          • Russell Byrd

            Fuck your attempt to get a rise over my hair trigger temper. How do you like THOSE apples!

          • infadelicious

            Russell, you and your apples need to calm down… breathe.. breathe…………..Russell Byrd hair trigger temper alert! engage deflector shields. man your battle stations;-)

          • Russell Byrd

            What is your fixation with my temper and my apples. I knew it, you really are “that way.”

            You show your bankruptcy of ideas and your true reason for being here.

            I came to read intelligent conversations and maybe, say something myself. If I wanted to listen to ignorant lies, bigotry, racism, and plain hatred, I would have went to any of a number of right-wacker blogs.

            Why are you here, again?

          • infadelicious

            mention that to your therapist when you finally get the help you need . your hair trigger temper now mixing with fantasies about internet posters that are “that way” no wonder you can’t focus… have a nice day HTT Russell ;-)

          • Russell Byrd

            Really, I am worried about YOUR mental health. Or is it, that you do not have any original ideas? You keep bashing “hair trigger temper.” Is that because you have no original ideas? I think even you suspects the truth of that.

            My blinding rage? Silly? If I had had any, I already vented it on you. Yet, in your hypocrisy, you have tried to keep yours hidden. Unfortunately, it keeps “shining through.”

            In my former employment, psych exams did occasionally come up. I am boringly without psychoses. How about yourself? Maybe, you are on to something and should arrange for some couch time.

          • infadelicious

            i am glad you’re acknowledging your hair trigger temper. admitting it is a great first step. shalom aleichem Russell Byrd ;-)

          • CPAinNewYork

            If anything embodies the uneducated drivel that floods the National Memo it’s messages from an ignoramus like you. Scatological language existed on this website before I got on it. If National Memo fails, it will be due to people like you, but I don’t think that it will fail.

            I’ve seen some of the messages exchanged between you and others, especially lately with ObozoMustGo. Not too polite. You seem to be addicted to insults when it appears that you have no idea how to respond to someone’s counter arguments in a civil manner. For example, you appear to refer to anyone who opposes you as liars, bullies and trolls. Very handy for someone who cannot maintain an argument

            You also don’t seem to be able to maintain any knowledge of where other people stand. For example, you accuse me in your penultimate sentence as being in a “right-wacker group.” That despite the many posts that I made decrying the policies and acts of Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Dick Cheney, the one percent, the neocons, etc. Evidently, your retention span is very short. Are you old? If you are, that may explain your pathetic posts.

            As to your threat to get out of this web site: do so quickly.

          • Russell Byrd

            My messages were not too polite, because all Bozo and his ilk do is interrupt, bully, and LIE. Payment in kind. They enjoy disruption and trolling. They lie and distort. They say bigoted and racially motivated statements, but veil them behind little rehearsed nuances that they later claim are quite innocuous. On more than one occasion these b*st*ards have SAID that “educating” us and taking control of the blogs is their aim.

            Ever hear of Lee Atwater. Anybody of your apparent age that knows anything about politics should know. As well, I invited you to apprise yourself of Mr. Atwater’s modus operandi. So you have been told. Your reply was to viciously throw it back in my face with a number of insults. Your narrow minded insults started this fracas to begin with. Like Bozo, you are so self-important that you expect everyone to just melt when you want to take a whack at them. I am not made that way, nor do I accept that behavior in others.

            Actually, I do not have time to debunk all your nonsense, but for starters, actually read what I have written. THEN read it again, and not what you want it to say. If my retention span is short, then you have none at all. As for my pathetic posts, I have no fear, as my critic is himself pathetic.

            I will point out that this problem was, and is, your choice, not mine. I have always been a generous man, and well thought of for my honesty. However, my generosity does not apply in these situations. I have never quit anything, so why should I kowtow to you. You are not that special.

          • ObozoMustGo

            BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

          • ObozoMustGo

            EXACTLY, CPA! I cannot help but notice that it always seems to be the leftist freaks that wish to curb the speech of those they disagree with. And that urge to silence opposition is not restricted to just posters on this site. It’s a common thread all the way up the food chain of the left. I’ve never heard anyone on the right suggesting that someone be censored or their speech be disallowed. But the left? Oh yeah! How many times have you heard of a conservative speaker being blocked from speaking on a college campus? I can’t count the number. I’ve NEVER heard of a leftist being blocked from speaking on a college campus. In fact, almost every professor is a leftist freak.

            By the way, I read his response to you. He’s got a hair trigger temper and a foul mouth. A bad combo for anyone seeking to make salient points. And if you notice, I never type any curse words. Rather, I make up different ways to express them. For example, “byrdbrain is full of sheet!” hehehehehe
            Note the quote below… byrdbrain is proving Einstein correct every day!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Have a nice weekend, CPA!

            “The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.” – Albert Einstein

          • Yappy2

            You should have gone just a little further and said that defines a bully and an intellectual dimwit.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Thanks, that thought occurs to me often, but in the interest of restraint (and holding a little bit in reserve…)

          • ObozoMustGo

            birdbrain…. how stupid can you be? wait….. don’t answer that… you continue to define your intellect downward with every post.
            Like I said to infadelicious, you leftist freaks love freedom……. freedom from responsibility or consequence, that is.
            Have a nice day, birdbrain!

          • Russell Byrd

            Now, how am I going to respond to an individual that uses his own lies as evidence?

            The funny thing is, everytime you peter breaths show up, WE gain a convert to the side of good. Unfortunately, we often lose a poster as well, but in their anger, there is no way they will miss going to the polls. The only people that come here and approve of your tactics is the evil lost souls that are already beyond recovery. I really don’t get why you are too stupid to understand that? It’s OK, though. It just means we will do more winning and you more losing. There is no real cost to us, except maybe you destroy the blog, and of course, you cannot hurt me any more than I hurt you.

            I post the above, because, unlike you, I have always been honest. So, I honestly told you the truth knowing that you will think of a way to subvert that. With a clear conscience, I can encourage you to continue, because you are killing yourself. We used to call the game you are playing, very un-PC I will add, Polish Roulette. All chambers are loaded. :-)

            Now, the short version. You just fucking lie, as they say, “faster than a dog can trot.”

            Have a stroke today, Bozo! At least you can disrespect my REAL name. A chicken-shit like you knows that you might get killed for being such a lying prick, so you need to hide. Sweet!

            Same for your jock-strap over the mouth, butt buddy, infantdickhead. Probably a pedo, anyway.

            P.S. When you bend CPA over a bed rail, please be gentle. Maybe, he will finally figure out the mistakes his arrogance, ignorance, disrespect, and narrow-mindedness caused before it is too late.

          • infadelicious

            OMG: good cartoon —we don’t have to have abortions and they don’t have to have guns, BUT!!!! .we don’t ask that they pay for our guns, but they insist we pay for their abortions.. WTF is up wit dat?

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hi infa! To answer your question, you must realize that the leftist freaks are definitely into freedom… freedom from responsibility or consequence, that is. Therefore, any derelict behavior and negative consequences of that behavior MUST be paid for by someone else… usually that nameless, faceless “rich guy” that stole their money from the poor people that had no money.

            Get it?

            Have a nice day!

          • infadelicious

            oh i get it alright!….i’m one of those “greedy so called rich” folks paying for all the freebie vote getting essentials like ‘o-bomb-a ‘ phones and other crap. rich guy my butt! not after taxes. grrr You have a nice day also…….;-)

          • OakenTruncheon

            You mean like British Petroleum getting to write off the costs their ginormous Gulf spill from their taxes? Or, like JP Morgan getting to right off more than half of their 13 billion dollar fine for fraud? Or the rest of the recipients of the $6000.00 dollars a year I personally pay to subsidize corporate welfare? Seems like I recall that this thread started off from article about how the IRS was getting sued, by regular guy with a face, for not prosecuting religious swindlers for tax evasion and fraud. I assure you, consequences are most definitely piling up.

          • Allan Richardson

            Also, a woman having an abortion is not threatening the general public (unless the clinic gives away a gun for each abortion, like the bank featured in “Bowling for Columbine”). A law abiding SANE citizen with a gun is not threatening the public either, but a MANIAC or CRIMINAL with a gun certainly is exercising “choice” in a very dangerous way toward the rest of us.

          • infadelicious

            nice spin , try again. A woman makes the choices she makes having unprotected sex (for the most part, birth control works), which may or may not directly affect the public-healthwise/financially-If she beomes pregnant, she is, as O-bomb-a said “being punished with a baby”.. why should I pay for the abortion? why should I be punished with her baby? and pay for my own gun too? I THINK NOT! You want freedom of choice, accept responsibility. if i choose to buy a gun, i am not being punished with a gun and i am paying for it myself- have an Infadelicious dayl ‘-)

          • OakenTruncheon

            What do you mean, we?

          • Justin Napolitano

            The Republicans are a failed party and will lose big in 2014. Americans are tired of the BS and obstruction that has become the anthem of the Republicans.

          • Russell Byrd

            Just like the behavior of our right-wacked disruptors in these blogs.

          • ObozoMustGo

            it’s dirnappy! who woke you up dirtnappy? Your mommy?

          • Justin Napolitano

            Actually it was your mother who told me to get up after we …. un ,,, un talked.

          • OakenTruncheon

            I’m certainly done with compromising my evil. Thanks again for your many dolorous insights.

            “Do a man a favor and he’ll never forgive you.”
            - old scottish proverb

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terri-Prince/100001256790563 Terri Prince

            Perhaps you should look up the word “totalitarian” since you’ve decided to become one.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Don’t be such a dupe, Terri. Those of you on the left clamouring for more and bigger government are the ones advocating for tyranny. How can a person that wants small, constitutionally limited government and individual liberty be seeking totalitarianism? It’s not possible. Only an idiot would think it is. I think you and many others on this site fall into that category of “useful idiot” and that includes the propagandists that write for this site.

            Have a nice day!

            As William Voegeli put it in Never Enough: America’s Limitless Welfare State, “Liberals don’t want the government to grow
            indefinitely. They just want it to be bigger than it is right now. The corollary of this stance is liberals’ refusal even to entertain questions on the dimensions of a welfare state that is exactly the right size.”

          • Allan Richardson

            What is the difference between a voter-chosen legal government and a corporation that happens to have so much money and so much control that it FUNCTIONS like a government? The fact that the corporation does not answer to the general public. If you believe in limited government, but you want to limit the role of government to rein in the excesses of “private rulers” so to speak, they you are trading a POSSIBLY excessive government OF THE PEOPLE for a DEFINITELY excessive government OF MONEY, i.e. Feudalism.

            Imagine the NFL if ALL the rules were made, and ANY rule could be changed in mid-game, and ALL the officials were hired and could be fired, by the PREVIOUS SUPER BOWL CHAMPION. That is the ultimate result of the “limited” government being preached by the right today. Except that a lot more than football games would be at stake.

          • Yappy2

            I’m really surprised that you know how to spell the word compromise because you sure as heck don’t know the definition of the word.

          • OakenTruncheon

            Yep, that big move to the left that started back the 1860s, was pretty bad, and that Teddy Roosevelt guy was even worse.

        • Russell Byrd

          Now wait, Bozo is trying hard to prove you wrong on that one.
          :-)

          • awoosoul

            hey Russell, if there’s one thing the right-wingers hate it’s common sense and facts. Those are very “inconvenient truths”

          • Russell Byrd

            awoosoul, right wingers have a potentially fatal allergy to the truth. Any truth. Your post was great, to the point, and very well reasoned. It is just a shame that the Bozo’s, etc. of this world cannot understand reason.

      • Robert Haugh

        Once again Bozo, you used up words while saying nothing at all.

      • OakenTruncheon

        Being 100% evil is very liberating, thank you. I am now thinking of fun things to do with the 12 ga Mossberg, (made in USA), 9-round combat shotgun with the heat shield and pistol grip, I bought without a background check, from an on-line dealer. Strictly for personal opinion defense purposes, you understand. One the funnest ideas I’m entertaining is a personal visit to you, so I can thank you personally for helping me see the light on this matter. Right after I re-register as a Demonrat. Thank you so much.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Re-register as a DemonRAT? Who are you kidding, loser?
          Also, are you threatening me?

          • Allan Richardson

            Sounds like someone does not recognize IRONY. He was making the point that IF he wanted to do those things, the laws YOU favor (i.e. NONE) would make it legally impossible to stop him until AFTER he killed you.

          • OakenTruncheon

            Actually, depending on where, I actually came upon Obozo, I might get off clean under a stand your ground defense.

          • OakenTruncheon

            I dunno, Obozo, does me writing about enjoying my favorite gun, in a thread about widespread criminal tax evasion, seem threatening to you in some way? And no, I’m not kidding.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terri-Prince/100001256790563 Terri Prince

        I thought this might be helpful to you so you understand the name of the party you’re advocating: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/totalitarian

      • Russell Byrd

        Who cares. It should be BozoRATS anyway. . . .

        • infadelicious

          you are correct Russell, it should be bozorats because Russell bozo = obama… if you would as i suggested earlier hold your hair trigger temper long enough to read posts and posters names before you popped off you would know that. have a nice day.;-)

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, that is a reference to your brother. I do read the posts, which makes one of the two of us.

            And, when all you post is shit, I can “pop” off all I like. I have a complete freedom to post disrespect to your disrespect. Particularly, when you are just a troll. Oh, and I forgot, a LIAR, too!

    • nomoretraitors

      “Didn’t we hear that from George Bush and if we criticized the government we were told it was un-American, hmmm”

      Don’t we hear now that if we criticize the government we must be “racist?” hmmmmm

      “what’s with all the metaphoric name calling”

      Would that include “teabagger, rethuglican, repulikkkan, tealiban, Faux News?”
      The last people in the world I need lecturing me about civility are liberals

  • silence dogood

    You guys keep this moonbat around just for the laughs or what ? Sure isn’t for the looks.

    • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

      We realize that to the right-wing loonie tunes, the defining virtue is looks. Brains have no place in their land of make-believe. If someone looks real purty er hansom, they must be solid. It doesn’t matter one tiny little bit if they are dumber than a pile of dog shit, as long as they look good.

      • infadelicious

        Enough Moonbattery!

        • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

          Thanks, infant boy, you always help me prove my point.

  • CPAinNewYork

    A recall is an expression of the people’s will as much as an election is an expression of the people’s will. Evidently the voters in Colorado oppose gun control, which is their right.

    I don’t understand the lefties’ argument on this one.

    • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

      Maybe some folks are worried that a state that allows the recreational use of marijuana should consider stricter background checks. Does a reasonable background check constitute “gun control”? I don’t think so.

      • CPAinNewYork

        Control is control and what is “reasonable” is subject to interpretation. What you see in Colorado is the majority of Colorado voters saying that the two recalled senators support unreasonable controls. Because majority rules in America, the offending senators were fired by the voters.

        • nirodha

          Well, you are correct that what is considered reasonable is subject to interpretation. My problem is that sometimes some people who are doing the interpreting are not particularly well-informed on the matter at hand. In this case, the minority constituted the majority.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Everybody eligible to vote had the opportunity to vote, but I understand that turnout was low. The low turnout, however, doesn’t constitute voter suppression. I don’t know what it does constitute, but it’s not voter suppression. I think that Wasserman is wrong on that accusation.

            Ol’ vox populi has spoken.

          • nirodha

            Correct. The majority of those who voted carried the election. Suppression, apathy, who knows? It’s done.

  • Justin Napolitano

    Obozo is paid to post on this and many other message boards by the Republican National Committee. I usually ignore his crap except to call him out for being a paid hack.

    • Russell Byrd

      They should fire him, because he isn’t much good. A waste of their money. Of course, they have plenty to waste.

  • Vazir Mukhtar

    I understand Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s disappointment, but believe there were measures those opposed to the recalls could have taken to hinder, if not thwart, those campaigning for it.

    “Colorado voters are used to casting their ballots by mail.” When ballots-by-mail was set for the recalls, why did those opposed not get busy organizing transport for people likely to be unable to go to the polls? The availability of transport could have been promoted in churches, PSAs on the radio and TV, in the newspapers, by telephone.

    When I lived in the 5th ward in Chicago, we organized transport to the polls through the social clubs, fraternal organizations, union halls, churches, etc.

    Of course, some of those who had been voting by mail would not have made it to the polls, but many would have, had the opponents hustled. John Morse garnered 49 percent of the vote; he lost by 343 votes! Had transport been organized, opponents of recalling Mr Morse might have kept him in office!!

    Not mentioned in most news reports was the opposition to Ms Giron’s having supported renewable energy measures for rural electric co-ops in addition to her support for gun control.

    As to the finances, The Denver Post reported that proponents of the recall raised about $540,000, whereas the opponents raised nearly $3 million, about half of it from out of state. The Post also reported that the NRA contributed $360,000 and NY Mayor Bloomberg $350,000 in support of their positions.

    Opponents of gun control may have recalled two members of the Colorado legislature, but the laws will still remain in effect.

  • Vazir Mukhtar

    Why do so many people commenting here make disparaging remarks about others who comment? Those remarks don’t advance the discussion.

    Having said that, let me thank those who try to present reasoned comments and keep their opinions of the questionably intelligent, barely literate, and politically uninformed to themselves. Right on!

  • MichelleRose3

    So, we know the GOP is suppressing votes all over the country, using a variety of approaches, most of which consist of legislation to insure lop-sided wins. These are Rove’s ideas, spawned by that fat traitor way back when he and Lee Atwater were the Glimmer Twins of conservative dirty politics.

    So, what do we do? Rove/Atwater knew very well that lawsuits and injunctions to prevent these laws from being applied would happen. They also knew that some, if not many, would end up as test cases at the Federal level. Some were guaranteed to make it all the way to the SCOTUS. (DOMA, for example) The DOJ has been de-fanged by the recent SCOTUS warping of the Civil Rights Act. Each case now has to be tried on an individual basis. Expensive. Time-consuming. Statistically, not likely to prevail in more than 50% of those cases.

    We seem to have a somewhat insurmountable range of peaks to climb, folks. They’re prepping for the 2014 elections and leaving no stone unturned. “Houston, we have a problem.” Yeah, no kiddin’. I don’t see a way out of this other than lawsuit after lawsuit and those may be tossed out following the next election cycle if enough Democrats lose.

    We seem to have lost sight of the fact that the Republican Party has made no secret of its overwhelming desire to seize permanent and complete control of all three branches of government; executive, legislative, and judicial. They’re fighting dirty and we’e fighting clean. We’re such nice guys, aren’t we?

    You remember what Leo Durocher said about nice guys finishing last? If we fight clean against dirty, we’ll lose. Seriously.

    We’d better start fighting down and dirty, soon, or there will be nothing to fight for. It will all be gone and we will have no one but ourselves to blame.

  • montanabill

    I’m pretty sure I saw the Koch brothers in military gear swinging clubs at the entrance to all the polling places. Given all the stuff those guys are doing to deliberately sabotage the left, they surely have no time left to run their business enterprises. That being the case, they will go broke and the left will have to anoint a new bogey man.

  • nomoretraitors

    Would somebody tape that dumb b****’s mouth shut please? She is revolting.
    Hey Debbie, I think the message is don’t mess with someone’s else’s CHOICE. You are PRO-CHOICE, aren’t you?

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