By Gene Lyons

Why Republicans Will Never Stop Lying About Obamacare

February 26, 2014 12:00 am Category: Memo Pad, Politics 144 Comments A+ / A-
Why Republicans Will Never Stop Lying About Obamacare

Politically speaking, here’s the thing about those melodramatic ads attacking the Affordable Care Act currently running on TV: In terms of actual policy, they’re as futile as the 40-odd votes to repeal the law that House Republicans have already cast.

GOP hardliners are like a drunk in a bar fight threatening to whip somebody twice his size if only his friends would let go of his arms.

It’s all over but the shouting.

Even if Republicans make big gains in the 2014 congressional elections, they can’t possibly win enough votes to overcome a presidential veto. What’s more, chances of capturing the White House in 2016 on a platform of canceling millions of Americans’ health insurance benefits appear so remote as to be downright delusional. Like it or not, the ACA is here to stay.

Indeed, governors and legislatures in previously recalcitrant states including New Hampshire, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, Utah and Virginia are considering Medicaid expansion they’d previously shunned. Despite early signup problems with the federal HealthCare.gov exchange, signups for individual private policies have increased to where it now appears the ACA will come close to meeting its projected goal of 7 million enrollees by the March 31 deadline.

Moreover, for all the predictions of actuarial doom heard on Fox News and elsewhere—supposedly caused by an imbalance of old, sick enrollees versus younger, healthier ones—the Washington Post reported last month that “the Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that if the market’s age distribution freezes at its current level—an extremely unlikely scenario—‘overall costs in individual market plans would be about 2.4 percent higher than premium revenues.’”

That’s a minor problem, but nothing like a “death spiral.”

In terms of affecting health care policy, then, the TV ads are largely symbolic — scripted melodramas calculated to arouse the partisan passions of the GOP “base” in states where control of the U.S. Senate could be determined this fall. Financed by Americans for Prosperity, the Scrooge McDuck-style front group controlled by the Koch brothers and fellow anti-government tycoons, they’re aimed less at killing the Affordable Care Act than convincing voters that Democrats are their enemies.

Maybe that’s why the ad campaign has proven so singularly unpersuasive to skeptics. In Lousiana, where Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu is up for re-election this fall, AFP has run a commercial featuring a group of actors pretending to be ordinary Louisiana citizens whose health insurance was canceled due to “Obamacare.” But it’s make-believe; a scripted TV drama as fictive as a Viagra advertisment.

In Arkansas, virtually every news program features a pretty, AFP-sponsored actress plaintively begging viewers to remind Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor that health care is about “people,” and that “the law just doesn’t work.” More in sorrow than anger, it seems, because Pryor remains personally popular.

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  • Daniel Jones

    If Republicans can’t get elected honestly, we can’t honestly be expected to elect them.

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

      Daniel, when you look at the campaigns run by many (I will not say most or all) Republicans, you will see there is almost no honesty in anything they say or do. They tend to run entire campaigns based on rumor, innuendo, truth bending (a polite way of saying “lying out their asses”), smear and any other method to distract voters from their own positions and records to concentrate on how bad things could be if their opponent gets elected.

      • Ipsophakto

        Put up or shut up. Name a lie. Name one. I can name a bakers dozen of Obama’s lies. Heck, Obama won lie of the year from politifact, and then Pinocchio of the year from the Washington post.

        • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

          Ever hear of “Swiftboat Veterans for Truth?”

          • Ipsophakto

            Yes. Kerry lied.

        • Bodine666

          Like you said, “Put up or shut up.” Name one.

          No, there was no lie. Politifact has been caught in many lies since a right wingnut group took over and as far as Washington Post — False News in print.

          For the intellectually impaired here is the text of the law:
          __________________________
          SEC. 1251. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE.

          (a)
          NO CHANGES TO EXISTING COVERAGE.—

          (1)
          IN GENERAL.—Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)
          shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage
          under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such
          individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act.
          ______________________

          People lost coverage because insurance companies dropped the policies they had. They knew the mentally challenged teabillies would never try to learn the truth. Seems it worked. You’re proof.

          • Ipsophakto

            Good job, you made it this far, now let’s go a little farther….all the way to the truth:

            “Does Obama have any idea what is going on in his own administration?

            When President Obama speaks off the cuff, he is often revealing, if you can penetrate his trademark incoherence. I found this riff from today’s press conference to be particularly interesting:

            “One way I — I described this to — I met with a group of senators when this issue first came up. And it’s not a perfect analogy, but you know, we made a decision as a society that every car has to have a seat belt or air bags. And so you pass a regulation. And there’s some additional cost, particularly at the start, of increasing the safety and protections, but we make a decision as a society that the costs are outweighed by the benefits of all the lives that are saved. So what we’re saying now is if you’re buying new — a new car, you got to have a seat belt.

            Well, the problem with the — the grandfather clause that we put in place is it’s almost like we said to folks, you got to buy a new car, even if you can’t afford it right now. And sooner or later folks are going to start trading in their old cars.

            But, you know, we don’t need — if their life circumstance is such where, for now at least, they want to keep the old car, even if the new car is better, we should be able to give them that option, and that’s what we want to do.

            And by the way, that’s what we should have been able to do in drafting the rules in the first place. So again, you know, these are two fumbles on something that — on a big game which — but the game’s not over.

            So Obama is now–for the first time–criticizing the regulations that his own departments of Health and Human Services, Labor and Treasury adopted in June 2010. He’s saying they should have done a better job of drafting them. One way or another, this statement is stunning.

            As the world knows, Obama promised over and over that if we like our health insurance plan, we can keep it. Actually, based on the language of the Affordable Care Act itself, this was not an absurd claim. This is Section 1251 of the act, titled “Preservation Of Right to Maintain Existing Coverage.”

            SEC. 1251. PRESERVATION OF RIGHT TO MAINTAIN EXISTING COVERAGE.

            (a) No Changes to Existing Coverage-

            (1) IN GENERAL- Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed to require that an individual terminate coverage under a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which such individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act.

            
(2) CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE- With respect to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which an individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act, this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by such subtitles) shall not apply to such plan or coverage, regardless of whether the individual renews such coverage after such date of enactment.

            (b) Allowance for Family Members To Join Current Coverage- With respect to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which an individual was enrolled on the date of enactment of this Act and which is renewed after such date, family members of such individual shall be permitted to enroll in such plan or coverage if such enrollment is permitted under the terms of the plan in effect as of such date of enactment.

            
(c) Allowance for New Employees To Join Current Plan- A group health plan that provides coverage on the date of enactment of this Act may provide for the enrolling of new employees (and their families) in such plan, and this subtitle and subtitle A (and the amendments made by such subtitles) shall not apply with respect to such plan and such new employees (and their families).


            (d) Effect on Collective Bargaining Agreements- [omitted]

            (e) Definition- In this title, the term “grandfathered health plan” means any group health plan or health insurance coverage to which this section applies.

            That certainly sounds like, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” doesn’t it? But the Devil, as always, is in the details. Grandfathering only applies if it’s the same plan.

            So in 2010, three of Obama’s departments–Health and Human Services, Labor and Treasury–collaborated on implementing regulations that defined the conditions under which a pre-Obamacare plan (either employer-sponsored or individual) would lose its grandfathered status. We have written about those regulations repeatedly. The administration’s prediction was that, with its regulations in place, half or more of all employer-sponsored plans would be cancelled within the first 12 months after Obamacare became effective. (The agencies also acknowledged that it was only a matter of time before all pre-Obamacare plans went out of existence.) The administration’s conclusions were summarized in this chart, which was published along with the grandfather regulations in the Federal Register on June 17, 2010. We can’t publicize it too often:

            http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2013/11/FederalRegister0921-600×260.jpg

            So that’s the background. What did Obama tell us today?

            [T]he grandfather clause that we put in place [Ed.: He means the regulations.]is it’s almost like we said to folks, you got to buy a new car, even if you can’t afford it right now.

            That is correct. And Obama now regards this as a mistake:

            [I]f their life circumstance is such where, for now at least, they want to keep the old car, even if the new car is better, we should be able to give them that option, and that’s what we want to do.

            And by the way, that’s what we should have been able to do in drafting the rules in the first place.

            So Obama now disapproves of his own administration’s regulations! Are we to assume, then, that he didn’t know about them, and their predicted effects, when they were promulgated in 2010? And that he never heard about them during the succeeding three years? That seems to be his implication.

            But is it conceivable that his own Secretaries of HHS, Labor and Treasury wouldn’t tell him that they planned to adopt, or had adopted, regulations that would make an utter lie out of his “if you like your plan you can keep it” promises? Or that Obama was so detached from his own signature legislation that he didn’t bother to learn what the implementing regulations said? That seems impossible. One would think that Obama would get wind of what his own administration was up to, if only by rumor and hearsay.

            But if Obama knew what the regulations said, and what their predicted effect would be–i.e., half or more of all employer-sponsored plans will terminate, more or less immediately–how could he continue making his futile promise? Did he not know that it was an exploding cigar that inevitably would blow up in his face?

            Finally: if Obama really didn’t know what his own administration was doing in 2010, and the disapproval he expressed today was sincere, consider the contempt with which he was treated by three of his own cabinet secretaries: they falsified the one promise that millions of Americans had relied on and would remember, the key to Obama’s one supposedly historic achievement, without bothering to tell him.

            One of the books on Chappaquiddick describes how the Kennedy brain trust gathered at the family compound in Hyannis Port to plot a strategy to salvage Ted Kennedy’s career. One person conspicuously absent from the conclave was Teddy himself. He was on the beach, flying a kite. The family’s advisers considered him too stupid to make any contribution to saving his own skin. Is that how senior members of Obama’s administration treat him? Is he considered a useless fifth wheel? Or was Obama just lying once again when he suggested that his administration’s decision to bring about the cancellation of most individual health care policies, and half or more group-sponsored policies, was just a “fumble,” an inadvertent failure to do a better job “in drafting the rules?”

          • Joseph

            Folks, give it up this mouth breather has years of hate stored up and no matter what, he will shuffle the conversation off to another place. He hates Obama. Period.

          • Lisztman

            Checkmate? Only in your own small mind. The problem is that too many insurance companies realized that, to a great extent, there might be an end to some of the gravy trains they’ve been riding. They prematurely canceled some large number of policies. They told their customers that their policies would be changed — and that, therefore, they’d have to institute all kinds of new rules, and that, of course, the premiums would necessarily go up.
            It is not the fault of the government, or the ACA, that so many insurance carriers played these games. If the authors of the ACA made a huge mistake, it was underestimating the gross malfeasance available to the carriers.
            At the last, of course, perhaps Mr. Obama underestimated the vast number of individuals who were actually counting on a garbage policy to help them in a time of need.

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        • Lisztman

          Yo, Ipsophakto: There’s one right up there as the gist of this article. All we’ve heard from the GOP since 2010 is that the ACA is going to kill America. “Death panels.” How’s that for a lie? Enough? Perhaps the “evidence” of WMDs in Iraq? Fabricated sufficiently by the Bush administration to garner support for a war he (or they, should you include Cheney) wanted to fight.

          The GOP consistently says they have a plan to balance the budget. Based, of course, on loose projections of what might happen over the next ten years. Not enough? Good enough for now.

          It’s time for the GOP to stop standing arm-in-arm blocking every attempt by the Senate, or the President, in doing something. If they don’t like the tack Mr. Obama and Mr. Reid is taking on a given issue, let’s hear some concrete alternatives. Or some genuine debate on the issue. “Just say ‘No'” doesn’t constitute debate.

      • joe

        reminds me of all the dead people who voted for odumbo 6 or 7 times, what a joke you libTURDS are, must suck to be one of only a few supporters left…LAUGHABLE

    • Ipsophakto

      Obama was elected honestly? Let’s see…..he abused political opponents systematically via the IRS, he lied to the whole country about his bogus healthcare debacle, he cooked the jobs reports leading up to the election, he lied about Benghazi to cover his false narrative about terrorists being on the run, he spied on the press and intimidated them via the DOJ.

      If Obama hadn’t lied and cheated, he would not have won.

      • Sand_Cat

        Pretty much everything in your post is a lie.
        THERE. I named it.
        PUT UP SOME TRUTH OR APOLOGIZE AND SHUT UP.

        • Ipsophakto

          Oh, you’re saying Lois Lerner with the IRS didn’t publicly apologize for the systematic abuse of right-leaning groups, then plead the 5th? Obama didn’t call it “outrageous”?

          You’re saying Obama didn’t repeatedly and emphatically say “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, No matter what, Period.”? …all over the country, dozens of times?

          Obama didn’t say “If you like your Dr, you can keep your doctor”?

          Obama didn’t promise that premiums would go down on average?

          Are you saying there WAS a spontaneous protest over a youtube video that erupted into a deadly attack on two of our compounds in Benghazi?

          Are you saying the 20 AP reporters, and James Rosen were not being snooped?

          You named nothing but your own willful abstinence against reality. Now….again….apologize….unless of course you can defend Obama’s lies and abuse of power.

          You condone lies and liars?

          • Bodine666

            Nothing you claimed President Obama said was a lie. It would be pointless to debunk your lies on a point by point basis since they have been thoroughly debunked. I guess the willful abstinance from reality existing in the wingnut teabilly bubble works on those incapable of having an original thought.

            Crawl back up limpbawl’s backside where you came from.

          • Lisztman

            Premiums should have gone down, on average. Or, at the very least (since premiums do go up every year) gone up less. It’s called “insurance companies take advantage of America.” Why are you p’o’ed at Mr. Obama? Why not take it out on Big Insurance?

        • joe

          you are an idiot sand cat (nice name) How does it feel to be one of six ppl left who support this loser, turd in charge…. This douche couldn’t run bingo night in a nursing home let alone a country and I think his crap record and lies show how worthless he is

          • Sand_Cat

            Wow, I’m impressed with your erudition. Are you always this stupid?

      • kingartie1

        Troll. Dolt. Fool. The squawk over Benghazi has been debunked and neutered, to a certain extent by Republicans themselves. I’d send you the links if I could believe I wasn’t sharing with a school yard bully. You folks persist to float in this conspiracy toilet because you’re addicted to the banal melodrama propaganda talking heads at Pox News. It’s not a bogus healthcare debacle when I, among millions of others, are getting what we’ve contracted for and pay a fair price for and will no long be ripped off or denied coverage by insurance companies. The IRS thing has been thoroughly debunked; a lone man or a small group acting on their own biases does not an Oval Office conspiracy make. Yes, Obama said if you like your insurance you can keep it. Probably to sell it better over the noise of the talking anuses yammering about “socialized medicine” and “death panels” when they knew there was no such thing. I for one now have vital insurance that I would be denied, and would have to forego otherwise unaffordable life-critical medical care, thank you.

        If you truly believe this bovine excrement, than you’ve not been keeping up on current events and are still reading the folderol of Alex Jones tickers from four years ago.

        Osama bin Laden is no more. Did we mention that if a Republican president had done it, we’d never ever hear the end of it? Obama has staged no ridiculous p.r. stunts on an aircraft carrier. Did we mention that the budget deficit has been cut by more than half? Did I mention that the previous administration did absolutely nothing about the growing health care crisis, and that millions now have new or better health insurance? Did we mention that two giant automakers and several hundred thousand jobs were saved from annihilation?

        Now, Bush was elected honestly? Let’s see…we never did get a thorough, credible explanation of the vote counts in Florida, or where some votes went four years later, in Ohio. We’re all still waiting for the exact location of those pesky WMDs that they were CERTAIN Saddam possessed. Never got to the bottom of who outed Valerie Plame, either. Obama’s admin did not wipe out a multi-hundred billion $ surplus with one stroke of a tax-giveaway pen.

        Do I believe my government is 100% pure and competent? No way. But pick some true-fact topics that make you sound more intelligent than a donkey’s ass.

        • Ipsophakto

          Wow, three insults. Such intellect.

          I declare checkmate. You’re useless.

          • Jimmy Agler

            Funny how there is one thing left and right side posters on the net have in common, when the Gish Gallop style you use so well becomes exposed you simply declare your opponents response invalid (as if anyone on here is a “judge” and declare yourself the winner,,,”I declare checkmate”) Several posters offered factual responses, including the actual wording of the law itself but YOU have the right to declare it null and void. Wow, how do I get certified to declare myself “winner of all internet debates”?

          • joe

            did u have to read a teleprompter like your turd in charge?

          • Lisztman

            You’re absolutely correct, ipso. Checkmate. You lose.

      • Patricia Robertson

        How did he lie about the healthcare when people really hadn’t been using the insurance that much but it had been upheld by the courts, and the irs didn’t do anything wrong and the job reports was cook, . What he did do is give people the courage to stand in long lines for long period of times to for their right vote when the republicans had tried their best to take their rights from them. By closing voting polls, cutting out early voting days and cutting back on hours in places where they knew it would cause long lines didn’t matter to them because they thought it would prevent the miniorties to vote. But they were shocked. Republicans even had even rigged machines in one district that everytime someone voted for the president it was suppose to switch to Romney but that backfired. The president was called every during his first term because he let the republicans get away with things most of us wouldn’t have let them get away with. He had a reason for it He was called community organizer and he was that is how he was able to organizer a well put together volunteer and paid team to get out the vote and help people get register to vote, id, get people to voting place, encourage people to vote, stay with them at the voting places no matter how long it takes. Show the people that they matter and that he cares about them. That is how the community organizer beat the business man who said he knows how to fire people.

        • joe

          Idiots

  • Theodora30

    And as usual Democrats are doing a terrible job of countering right wing dishonesty and are running for the hills.

    • Theodora30

      By the way is anyone else having problems with this site? It is really glitch both on my Ipad and laptop. It is very frustrating.

    • Annemb

      That was my complaint exactly on another blog. The Democrats say or do nothing to counter the Republican lies. I have written to DCCC often that I refuse to support them until I honestly see the Dems grow a spine.

      Blessings on your great post!!

      • Ipsophakto

        Put up or shut up. Name a lie, or apologize. If I like my plan, can I keep it? Obama told me I could, yet my plan is cancelled, and my family can’t afford Obama’s “affordable” plan. PERIOD.

        • Sand_Cat

          You’re an IDIOT. PERIOD.

          • Ipsophakto

            Ad hominem, absent any retort. You just became your own reply.

          • Ipsophakto

            …still waiting. Will you apologize?

          • Independent1

            You’re the one who needs to apologize – it’s tough for non GOP lovers to list the GOP lies there are so many of them – it’s like lies are their truths. The GOP wouldn’t know what the truth is if it struck them in the face.

          • Ipsophakto

            List one. If your assertion is true (and I know it isn’t) why can’t you list just one? I’ll list ten for every one you list. Deal?

        • LollyBee

          What state do you live in? How much money does your household make? How much did your previous plan cost? What did it cover?

          No, seriously. How is anybody supposed to “put up or shut up” if we have no information to verify your claim? And that’s exactly what happens to all these stories. Once the information comes through, investigations reveal that the story was extremely misleading.

          • Ipsophakto

            Colorado. My income is none of your business. I don’t qualify for, nor would I ever want a subsidy.
            My previous plan: Anthem BC/BS, $525/mo premium, $3K deductible, 80/20 coinsurance, full hospitalization, ER ($250 max), no lifetime cap, wellness exams, Rx ($75 max name brand, $35 max generic).

            Cheapest ACA plan available to me and my family: $1078 per month, $12,700 deductible, 60/40 coinsurance. …oh, and it doesn’t cover the Rx my family needs, so there’s $380 per month additional. Our Dr’s are not in the plan, nor our facilities.

            That puts the Obamacare dent on my family at over $279,000 over 25 years. That’s money not going to retirement savings, or starting a business, or saving for college, etc. etc. That’s over a quarter million I never planned on needing to surrender, never budgeted for it. That’s money to be scorched in an flaming train wreck, Obama’s signature failure.

            So, I won’t be buying Obamacare. I’ll hoard cash, hunker down, do my best to keep our home, pay cash for medical services – via negotiated discounts, and wait for Obamacare to collapse. I’ll wait on launching my business because I can’t afford to start it and pony up the $1400+ per month in premiums and Rx. Nor can I afford a $12,700 ding if we actually had to use Obama’s lousy plan.

            Premiums plus RX plus the deductible: $30,196 for Obama’s “affordable” plan….in any year we have a substantial claim. That’s robbery.

            You Obama zealots simply don’t want to face that hard truth that you’re wrecking and deceiving Peter to pay Paul. I’m Peter. Who will pay for Paul’s “free” or subsidized care if I’m hunkered down caring for my family?

            Before Obamacare, I did the responsible thing and ALWAYS had a policy, full retail, on the individual market. I also cared for two extended family members. Now I can do none of that adequately.

            Obama’s lies are wrecking lives.

          • flyinjs

            You would seriously take away pre-existing ACA sign ups where there was never a viable solution. You sir, are a bigot in your own right. I can see the country voting to take away healthcare to all the woman, pre-existing folks…etc
            How could you reasonably expect people of the USA to keep certain political groups in office? Seriously please

        • Independent1

          Republican lies (really too many to list but here are some):
          Nixon – I’m not a crook.(outright lie)
          Nixon – I didn’t know anything about what was going on at the WaterGate until I read it in the news (outright lie)
          GWB – Iraq has WMDs (outright lie)
          GWB – Saddam was involved with al Qaeda in 9/11 (outright Lie)
          GWB – America does not torture (outright lie)
          Romney – I have a plan to create 12 million jobs in 4 years (not one supposed study outling the plan on his website could be proven valid – outright lie).
          Romney – I have a plan to reduce taxes and eliminate the deficit during my first term (economists agreed his tax cutting plan would make our deficits skyrocket – nothing but a blatant campaing lie).
          Romney – it’s okay to lie when you’re trying to win votes – in response to Newt Gingrinch’s complaint during GOP debates last spring that a Superpac supporting Mitt was lying about him in ads.)
          Romney – My administration in Mass created a binders of women which I used to select women for my administration (outright lie – the binders were created by a bipartisan women’s group and Romeny never even asked to see it)
          Romney – The Obama administration has thrown away 90 billion on worthless green energy in the Stimulus – Outright lie – only 29 billion was ever allocated to the stimulus and more than 90% of monies spent on green energy turned into thriving green energy companies.
          Christie – I didn’t know about the bridge backup until I saw it in the news (outright lie)
          Christie – 6 or seven more lies at this link:
          The many lies from Chris Christie
          http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/23/1279743/-The-Manifold-Lies-of-Chris-Christie?detail=email

          • Ipsophakto

            Regarding Bush. He didn’t lie. Valerie Plame’s husband did. You seem to have missed the memos.

            Your false narrative about Bush is fully debunked. If you want to stretch it to conclude that he didn’t have 100% certainty, sure. Obama had less certainty regarding the location of bin Laden than Bush did about Iraq’s efforts to get yellowcake – and chemical weapons capability and proven record of using those WMD’s.

            Plame’s Input Is Cited on Niger Mission

            Report Disputes Wilson’s Claims on Trip, Wife’s Role

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

            End of an Affair

            It turns out that the person who exposed CIA agent Valerie Plame was not out to punish her husband.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html

            “The CIA operative, Mrs. Plame, was outed by her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson. From 2004:

            “Wilson’s assertions — both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information — were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

            The panel found that Wilson’s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson’s assertions and even the government’s previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush’s January 2003 State of the Union address.”

            ————-

            …and here’s the sheepish admission from the Washington Post that further vindicates Bush and his staff: From 2006:

            “… it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame’s CIA career is Mr. Wilson [Plame's husband]. Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming — falsely, as it turned out — that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush’s closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy. It’s unfortunate that so many people took him seriously.”

    • Ipsophakto

      What dishonesty? Name it or apologize.

      • Sand_Cat

        Why should he answer a liar like you?
        The question is, has the GOP (or you) said anything about ACA which is TRUE?

        • Ipsophakto

          Baseless hostility. You just called me a liar. What lie do you allege I’ve told? Do ad hominems help or hurt your position?

          Yes, the GOP and the Tea Party warned about the disincentive to work, the lower productivity, the job losses, the higher premiums, the higher deductibles, the death panel, the rationing, oh, and the cancellations. In fact, the GOP offered a bill to remedy the grandfathering problem that Sebelius caused when she unilaterally closed the door on all those millions of individual policy holders.

          Democrats voted that fix down.

          All of that is true – and I can prove it. Show me proof that Obamacare isn’t causing everything I’ve just listed. I’ll gladly respond with sourced facts to support each one.

          Put up or shut up.

          • iamproteus

            You keep saying “Put up or shut up” while expecting the readers here to take your word as gospel. Here’s the thing, like most (if not all) “conservatives”, you go too far with your lies. If you kept your diatribes a bit less extreme, you would come across as more believable. As it is, though, you make it very difficult for a reasonable person to buy into your bs. Perhaps you could “put up” some real proof (not just demand that people take your word for truth), or “shut up”. Just to be clear, typical “conservative talking points” don’t qualify as “proof”.

          • Ipsophakto

            I’m linking to verifiable sources. What’s your “proof” about “Republican lies”? You have none. I can eviscerate your false narratives all day, every day. Now, try again….put up, or shut up….

            Do you not see the headline of this “article” is extreme?

            Will Obama never stop lying? I can prove he hasn’t.

          • Sand_Cat

            Almost everything you’ve said about Democrats and Obama is a lie. The crap about the ACA’s not being a Republican plan is a lie. And I suspect your little sob-story about not being able to afford insurance is the biggest lie of all.
            So again: PUT UP SOME TRUTH, OR APOLOGIZE AND SHUT UP.

          • Ipsophakto

            Wrong. The ACA is NOTHING like the Heritage proposal. Read and learn:

            How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

            If citations to policy papers were subject to the same rules as legal citations, then the Heritageposition quoted by the Department of Justice would have a red flag indicating it had beenreversed. . . . Heritage has stopped supporting any insurance mandate.

            Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA. Since then, a growing body of research has provided a strong basis to conclude that any government insurance mandate is not only unnecessary, but is a bad policy option. Moreover, Heritage’slegal scholars have been consistent in explaining that the type of mandate in the PPACA is unconstitutional.

            Obamacare SHOULD have given tax relief to individual plans. It failed outright to do that, which doubled down on a bad policy that forced employer insurance to be welded to employers. That was precipitated by yet another government mistake….wage controls in WWII. Government is the problem, not the solution.

            Now….apologize. Be a better person and face the truth. I can mow down your false narratives ALL day, EVERY day.

  • differentdrummer

    But after 2016 the lie will change to “it was all our idea, you’re welcome.”

    • Ipsophakto

      It wasn’t their idea. Obamacare is 100% a democrat failure. You fools own it. The lie? If I like my plan, my dr., can I keep my plan, my dr? Why are my premiums doubling and my deductible going up 4X? Why? Because Obama and the democrats are liars. Obama won an award for lie of the year.

      • Sand_Cat

        Idiot.

        • Ipsophakto

          Ad hominem. You lose.

          Now, try again. Answer the question.

          If I like my plan, can I keep my plan? Simple question. Yes or no?

          • hartleymsm

            Did you have the same EXACT SAME plan when the ACA was passed in 2010? Did your premuims, deductibles, co pays or any of the coverage change since then?

          • Ipsophakto

            No. I bought it on the private market after a job loss. We all listened to him repeat his lies right up to the election. Yet….Obama and his minions kept on repeating his lie, with no qualifiers, no caveat, no asterisk.

            Here’s a list of 37 instances, with dates, as well as the videos:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qpa-5JdCnmo

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/12/politifacts_lie_of_the_year_if_you_like_your_health_care_plan_you_can_keep_it.html

            Obama’s comments before the law passed

            • White House Web page: “Linda Douglass of the White House Office of Health Reform debunks the myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them. ” (Spanish-language version.)

            • White House Web page: “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

            • President’s weekly address, June 6, 2009: “If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold.”

            • Town hall in Green Bay, Wis., June 11, 2009: “No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you’ll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan.”

            • Remarks at the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009: “I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage — they like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. They trust you. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”

            • Presidential press conference, June 23, 2009. “If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won’t have to do a thing. You keep your plan. You keep your doctor.”

            • Rose Garden remarks, July 15, 2009. “If you like your doctor or health care provider, you can keep them. If you like your health care plan, you can keep that too.”

            • Remarks at a rally for New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, July 16, 2009: “if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan — you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.”

            • Presidential weekly address, July 18, 2009: “Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story.”

            • Rose Garden remarks, July 21, 2009: “If you like your current plan, you will be able to keep it. Let me repeat that: If you like your plan, you’ll be able to keep it.”

            • Remarks in Shaker Heights, Ohio, July 23, 2009: “Reform will keep the government out of your health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your coverage if you’re happy with it.”

            • Town hall in Raleigh, N.C., July 29, 2009: “I have been as clear as I can be. Under the reform I’ve proposed, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. These folks need to stop scaring everybody. Nobody is talking about you forcing … to change your plans.”

            • Presidential weekly address, Aug. 8, 2009: “Under the reforms we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

            • Town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009: “Under the reform we’re proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

            • Town hall in Belgrade, Mont., Aug. 14, 2009: “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. This is not some government takeover. If you like your doctor, you can keep seeing your doctor. This is important.”

            • Presidential weekly address, Aug. 15, 2009: “No matter what you’ve heard, if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it.”

            • Town hall in Grand Junction, Colo., Aug. 15, 2009: “I just want to be completely clear about this. I keep on saying this but somehow folks aren’t listening — if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. Nobody is going to force you to leave your health care plan. If you like your doctor, you keep seeing your doctor.”

            • Remarks to Organizing for America, Aug. 20, 2009: “No matter what you’ve heard, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor under the reform proposals that we’ve put forward. If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep it.”

            • Presidential weekly address, Aug. 22, 2009: “Under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. Period.”

            • Remarks on health care reform, March 3, 2010: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Because I can tell you that as the father of two young girls, I wouldn’t want any plan that interferes with the relationship between a family and their doctor.”

            • Presidential weekly address, March 6, 2010: “What won’t change when this bill is signed is this: If you like the insurance plan you have now, you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Because nothing should get in the way of the relationship between a family and their doctor.”

            • Remarks in Glenside, Pa., March 8, 2010: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

            • Remarks in St. Charles, Mo., March 10, 2010: ” If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

            • Remarks in St. Louis, Mo., March 10, 2010: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I’m the father of two young girls –- I don’t want anybody interfering between my family and their doctor.”

            • Remarks in Strongsville, Ohio, March 15, 2010: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I don’t want to interfere with people’s relationships between them and their doctors.”

            • Remarks in Fairfax, Va., March 19, 2010: “If you like your doctor, you’re going to be able to keep your doctor. If you like your plan, keep your plan. I don’t believe we should give government or the insurance companies more control over health care in America. I think it’s time to give you, the American people, more control over your health.”

            Obama’s comments between the law’s signing and the release of the HHS regulations

            • White House web page: “For those Americans who already have health insurance, the only changes you will see under the law are new benefits, better protections from insurance company abuses, and more value for every dollar you spend on health care. If you like your plan you can keep it and you don’t have to change a thing due to the health care law.”

            • Remarks in Iowa City, Iowa, March 25, 2010: “You like your plan? You’ll be keeping your plan. No one is taking that away from you.”

            • Remarks in Portland, Maine, April 1, 2010: The critics will “see that if Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.”

            • White House blog post by Stephanie Cutter, May 18, 2010: “A key point to remember is that while the Act makes many changes to the individual market, it specifically allows those who want to keep their current insurance to do so. Most of the Act’s protections apply only to new policies, allowing people to stick with their current plan if they prefer.”

            After the release of the HHS regulations

            • Kathleen Sebelius blog post, June 14, 2010: “The bottom line is that under the Affordable Care Act, if you like your doctor and plan, you can keep them.”

            • White House blog post by Stephanie Cutter. “Another important step we’ve taken is to fulfill President Obama’s promise that ‘if you like your health plan, you can keep it.’ Last week, Secretary Sebelius and Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis announced a new rule that protects the ability of individuals and businesses to keep their current plan. It outlines conditions under which current plans can be ‘grandfathered’ into the system, minimizing market disruption and putting us all on the path toward the competitive, patient-centered market of the future.”

            • Remarks on the Affordable Care Act Supreme Court ruling, June 28, 2012: “If you’re one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance — this law will only make it more secure and more affordable.”

            • Campaign event in Pittsburgh, July 6, 2012: “If you have health insurance, the only thing that changes for you is you’re more secure because insurance companies can’t drop you when you get sick.”

            • Campaign event in Virginia Beach, Va., July 13, 2012: “If you already have health care, the only thing this bill does is make sure that it’s even more secure and insurance companies can’t jerk you around.”

            • First presidential debate in Denver, Oct. 3, 2012: “If you’ve got health insurance, it doesn’t mean a government takeover. You keep your own insurance. You keep your own doctor. But it does say insurance companies can’t jerk you around.”

            • Remarks in Largo, Md., Sept. 26, 2013: “Now, let’s start with the fact that even before the Affordable Care Act fully takes effect, about 85 percent of Americans already have health insurance — either through their job, or through Medicare, or through the individual market. So if you’re one of these folks, it’s reasonable that you might worry whether health care reform is going to create changes that are a problem for you — especially when you’re bombarded with all sorts of fear-mongering. So the first thing you need to know is this: If you already have health care, you don’t have to do anything.”

          • hartleymsm

            So what the president said did not apply to you. If you’re dishonest about your own case, why would anyone validate your rant.
            The TRUTH, like it or not is that what the president said in 2010 was true, UNTIL Insurance companies started changing the policies. I agree that he should have changed his response when he learned that many insurance companies were changing the grandfathered policies, and it is that failure that earned him the ‘biggest lie of the year’.

          • Sand_Cat

            blame your insurance company, moron. The ACA is not to blame for slime balls in industry screwing you. And after all, you voted for them, didn’t you?
            Your Benghazi lie is idiotic. No right-wing lunatic group was denied 501c status, and they didn’t have to apply in the first place. Your little bit about not affording insurance is a lie.
            And your belief that Obama would have lost except for these things is one of the most preposterous and idiotic statements ever posted here, and that’s saying a lot.
            This is not about win or lose to anyone except people like you, who have nothing but lies, made-up facts, and irrational rage and think they “win” if rational people don’t bother top respond to them.

      • robotkilr

        You are woefully mis-informed. The ACA as written contains almost 40% language written by the Repubs! The plan is based very closely on the 1979 Heritage plan proffered as an alternative to Hillarycare. It is almost identical to the Romney Mass. health plan and finally the idea of the mandates is pure Republican! Do some real research instead of spouting RNC and Bircher/Koch propaganda. You look like a ranting fool.

        • Ipsophakto

          100% wrong and debunked. Obamacare is NOTHING like the Heritage proposal.

          Obamacare was crafted 100% WITHOUT GOP input. It didn’t garner a SINGLE GOP vote. Period.

          Read and learn:

          How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate – and how very different that was from Obamacare:

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

          If citations to policy papers were subject to the same rules as legal citations, then the Heritageposition quoted by the Department of Justice would have a red flag indicating it had beenreversed. . . . Heritage has stopped supporting any insurance mandate.

          Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA. Since then, a growing body of research has provided a strong basis to conclude that any government insurance mandate is not only unnecessary, but is a bad policy option. Moreover, Heritage’slegal scholars have been consistent in explaining that the type of mandate in the PPACA is unconstitutional.

          Checkmate.

        • Ipsophakto

          Wrong. Read and learn:

          How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

          If citations to policy papers were subject to the same rules as legal citations, then the Heritageposition quoted by the Department of Justice would have a red flag indicating it had beenreversed. . . . Heritage has stopped supporting any insurance mandate.

          Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids), coupled with tax relief for all families and other reforms that are conspicuously absent from the PPACA. Since then, a growing body of research has provided a strong basis to conclude that any government insurance mandate is not only unnecessary, but is a bad policy option. Moreover, Heritage’slegal scholars have been consistent in explaining that the type of mandate in the PPACA is unconstitutional.

          • robotkilr

            Sorry, but a study of the legislative history of the law yields this: An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare
            was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it
            had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept
            goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[50] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

          • Sand_Cat

            Sure, you spout your lies from the Heritage Foundation, a paragon of honesty and truth in the bizarro world you inhabit. Of course, they don’t support it now that a black Democrat uses it.
            And Forbes is another reliably right-wing looney bin, quotes them.

      • Bodine666

        What do teabilly trolls get out of lying on these sites? A chance to reinforce your belief in your lies when you see them? Do you not realize how delusional you are showing everyone you are when you lie? Nobody joins in to support you. You have no evidence. You just lie.

        What I find curious is how much right-wing teabilly supporters have in common with Russian President Putin. Russia is a right-wing paradise. You’re invited to go.

      • Independent1

        Your whole argument about ACA not being a GOP idea is a flatout lie. Here’s the background on ACA:

        The 1993 Republican alternative, introduced by Senator John Chafee as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act, contained a “universal coverage” requirement with a penalty for noncompliance—an individual mandate—as well as subsidies to be used in state-based ‘purchasing groups’.[56] Advocates for the 1993 bill included prominent Republicans who today oppose a mandate, such as Senators Orrin Hatch, Chuck Grassley, Bob Bennett, and Kit Bond.[57][58] Of the 43 Republicans Senators from 1993, 20 supported the HEART Act.[50][59] Another Republican proposal, introduced in 1994 by Senator Don Nickles (R-OK), the Consumer Choice Health Security Act, contained an individual mandate with a penalty provision;[60] however, Nickles subsequently removed the mandate from the bill, stating he had decided “that government should not compel people to buy health insurance”.[61] At the time of these proposals, Republicans did not raise constitutional issues with the mandate; Mark Pauly, who helped develop a proposal that included an individual mandate for George H.W. Bush, remarked, “I don’t remember that being raised at all. The way it was viewed by the Congressional Budget Office in 1994 was, effectively, as a tax.”[50]

        Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts went from 90% of its residents insured to 98%, the highest rate in the nation.[62]

        In 2006, an insurance expansion bill was enacted at the state level in Massachusetts. The bill contained both an individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange. Republican Governor Mitt Romney vetoed the mandate, but after Democrats overrode his veto, he signed it into law.[63] Romney’s implementation of the ‘Health Connector’ exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney’s 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney’s ability to “take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured.” Romney said of the individual mandate: “I’m proud of what we’ve done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation.”[64]

        In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called “State Health Help Agencies”.[53][64] The bill initially attracted bipartisan support but died in committee. Many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[65]

  • GoneRouge

    on twitter they are using the hashtag “#standwithjulie” ..use it and go after them on this

    • Ipsophakto

      Your “reasonable” response is to attack a cancer victim? She’s harmed by obamacare. Her deductible is now unaffordable even if her premium was reduced (at the expense of someone else). There’s no free lunch. Someone, somewhere pays. But good luck attack a woman with cancer, you fool.

  • charles king

    When? the people start doing some (Critical Thinking)like What? the hell is going on in America. Where? has our Democracy gone. Why? are these Republicans opposing things that works like Social-Security, ask any senior citizen, like Me, WOW ! I am glad to be an American Who? has something like OBAMACARE, WOW! thank you MR. President Obama for introducing the people to (Critical Thinking) I definetly know critical thinking is working in American because You Wouldn’t? have been re-elected if the people had Voted like before Not Thinking Now get the people critical thinking about Who? are these Plutocracts, and What? the hell are they all about, Wow! MR. President if you can inform the country the People about Capitalistics Pigs, Like Rhomey, Commissiors in smalltowns USA, Plutocracts (rich White People and Others) MONIES has been offered to our representors WHO? are the ones that accept these pay-offs. People just do some (Critical Thinking) and I am sure you will find the right solution to America’s problems. The VOTE is still supreme, use it wisely, critical thinking Works. Thank You are the magic words with me. I Love Ya All. Mr. C. E. KING

    • Ipsophakto

      Republicans are not proposing to end social security. They want to stop obamacare from ruining our economy and wrecking more lives than it saves.

      • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

        Republicans are not proposing to end social security? What planet do you reside on? Not only do Republicans want to end Social Security, they want to end Medicaid, and the minimum wage. As far as lies that Republicans have told – just google

        • Ipsophakto

          They want to reform both in order to keep them from going insolvent. You’ve seen the projections, yes? Reforming those huge systems isn’t a trifle. The GOP proposed the chained CPI, a small fix to help stretch social security solvency a bit. The Democrats have tossed even that tiny reform.

          Would I prefer to keep money I’m paying into social security? Sure. But there’s no plank in the GOP platform to “end social security and medicaid.” Prove me wrong. Send me the link to the GOP agenda item you allege.

          • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

            Go to their GOP Platform, listen to Ryan, Cantor, Cruz and the others. They want to privatize them, that eliminates them. I don’t want to risk my social security with their buddies on Wall Street who brought us to the brink of disaster in 2007. They believe that welfare should be eliminated and that charitable organizations and churches should handle the needs of those who are homeless, hungry etc. Ask the churches and the charitable organizations and they will tell you, they could never handle it. I don’t have to prove you wrong, your party will.

          • Ipsophakto

            Some do, some don’t. Those are not planks in the platform. Some liberals want to impose caps on salary, or ban cars, or make us do Yoga in the town square…..but I don’t conflate those fringe wishes with the Democrat’s platform.

            Now, try again. Link the page of the GOP site that proposed to kill social security or medicaid.

            Ryan has made proposals to save both, not kill them. He’s most concerned about long term solvency. Are you not concerned about long term solvency? Can we just run up debt to cover those obligations….forever?

            The changes Ryan proposed were fully grandfathered, and OPTIONAL. Meaning, nobody in the system now over the age of 55 would be impacted. People under the age of 55 would have a CHOICE. They could either keep the status quo or opt for a self-directed fund.

            Wall Street didn’t bring us to the brink of disaster. Mortgage welfare via the CRA did that. Your buddies Barney Frank and Maxine waters kept pushing to “roll the dice” on sub-prime borrowers, imposing quotas on banks to make loans to risky borrowers. Bush and Greenspan warned repeatedly about the risk of Fannie and Freddie, but the Democrats kept pushing. Voila….crash.

            Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis

            http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/hey-barney-frank-the-government-did-cause-the-housing-crisis/249903/

            Dr. Thomas Sowell explains the housing boom and bust:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GoAGuTIbVY

            “The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA)–which required banks to make mortgage loans to borrowers that were riskier than their normal loans–was certainly a part of the same government-quota approach that underlay the affordable housing requirements and was strongly supported by CongressmanFrank. However, as far as I can tell, CRA was a relatively small contributor to the crisis, when compared to the GSEs and the affordable housing requirements. In any event, the FCIC acquitted the CRA from any responsibility for the crisis before it even began its study, and resisted all my efforts to find out more about the effect of the Act.”

          • Duckbudder

            OK DipShit show me 1, just 1 liberal who wants to make you do yoga in the town square.
            That’s some industrial strength DumbFuckery right there

          • Ipsophakto

            …you don’t live in the town where I do. Every week the liberal progressive town council thinks up some new thing to ban or impose. My point is that “killing social security” or “killing medicare” are not planks in the GOP platform. Quite the opposite. They want something that works.

            My examples of the nuttery of liberals are facetious, yet….they have entertained banning cars, they have entertained banning chain restaurants, they have made us guardians of our pets, not owners, they have banned us from removing a tree from our property…even if we planted it.

            Notice how hostile and rude your “tolerant” liberal answer was. You liberals are so uptight. You’ve become the man. Such soft-core fascism.

          • Ipsophakto

            Read up:
            http://www.nber.org/papers/w18609

            http://www.nber.org/digest/may13/w18609.html

            Government pushed this, catalyzing the crash. Sheesh, even when the very words of Barney Frank pushing to “roll the dice” are played for you, you pretend that never happened? Watch your false narrative being punctured, right here:
            http://www.youtube.com/embed/iW5qKYfqALE

            Barney Frank – 2005

            “…We have an excessive degree of concern right now about home-ownership and its role in the economy. Obviously speculation is never a good thing…but those who argue that housing prices are now at the point of a bubble seem to me to be missing a very important point. Unlike previous examples where you’ve had where substantial excessive inflation of prices later caused some problems….we are talking here about an entity, home ownership, homes, where there is not the degree of leverage that we have seen elsewhere. This is not the dot-com situation………You’re not going to see the collapse that you see when people talk about a bubble.”

            …and more of the same push for risk-on, despite the repeated warnings from Greenspan and Bush:

            House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 10, 2003:

            Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.):

            “I worry, frankly, that there’s a tension here. The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see. I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster scenarios. . . .”

            Rep. Maxine Waters (D., Calif.), speaking to Housing and Urban Development Secretary Mel Martinez:

            “Secretary Martinez, if it ain’t broke, why do you want to fix it? Have the GSEs [government-sponsored enterprises] ever missed their housing goals?”

            House Financial Services Committee hearing, Sept. 25, 2003:

            Rep. Frank:

            “I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing. . . .”

          • Ipsophakto

            http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/122012-637924-faults-community-reinvestment-act-cra-mortgage-defaults.htm?p=full

            “The strongest link between CRA lending and defaults took place in the runup to the crisis — 2004 to 2006 — when banks rapidly sold CRA mortgages for securitization by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Wall Street.

            CRA regulations are at the core of Fannie’s and Freddie’s so-called affordable housing mission. In the early 1990s, a Democrat Congress gave HUD the authority to set and enforce (through fines) CRA-grade loan quotas at Fannie and Freddie.

            It passed a law requiring the government-backed agencies to “assist insured depository institutions to meet their obligations under the (CRA).” The goal was to help banks meet lending quotas by buying their CRA loans.

            But they had to loosen underwriting standards to do it. And that’s what they did.
            “We want your CRA loans because they help us meet our housing goals,” Fannie Vice Chair Jamie Gorelick beseeched lenders gathered at a banking conference in 2000, just after HUD hiked the mortgage giant’s affordable housing quotas to 50% and pressed it to buy more CRA-eligible loans to help meet those new targets. “We will buy them from your portfolios or package them into securities.”

            …and Obama is doubling down on the bad-loan bubble – trying to re-inflate it:
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-pushes-banks-to-make-home-loans-to-people-with-weaker-credit/2013/04/02/a8b4370c-9aef-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html

          • Ipsophakto

            Here’s Greenspan making stern warnings about the increasing risks of GSE’s:

            “…as Fannie and Freddie increase in size relative to the counterparties for their hedging transactions, the ability of these (companies) to quickly correct the inevitable misjudgments inherent in their complex hedging strategies becomes more difficult,”

            http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/Greenspan091505.pdf

            Greenspan Issues Another Warning On Fannie, Freddie
            September 2005
            http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112672801693840765,00.html?mod=home_whats_news_us

            Greenspan highlights mortgage agency concerns
            April 2002:
            http://www.risk.net/risk-magazine/feature/1505190/greenspan-highlights-mortgage-agency-concerns

            “Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan yesterday warned that government backing for US mortgage agencies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, may prompt those that trade their mortgage securities to take excess risks. His comments are likely to further heat up an already contentious debate, in which both government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) are being attacked for their risk management practices.”

            Fed Chief Warns of a Risk to Taxpayers
            February 2004:
            http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/25/business/fed-chief-warns-of-a-risk-to-taxpayers.html

            “Mr. Greenspan said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which buy up and repackage billions of dollars’ worth of mortgages every year, have grown so rapidly and accumulated so much debt that they cannot adequately hedge against the risks of financial crises.

            The Fed chairman said both companies, which hold about $2 trillion worth of obligations tied to home mortgages, have grown much faster than their competitors because investors think the federal government will bail them out in a crisis.

            Mr. Greenspan said this ”implied subsidy” has been a boon to the companies’ shareholders but provided only modest benefits to homebuyers in the form of lower mortgage rates.

            The danger, he said, is that the companies are using this implicit federal backstop to assume more risk and finance their expansion through increased debt.”

            Even Bill Clinton has conceded in retrospect that Democrats made a mistake by resisting Republican efforts to tighten reins on the GSE’s:

            President Clinton put it best to Chris Cuomo of ABC News:

            “I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

            Op-Ed: Bill Clinton Says Democrats Resisted Standards For Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac
            http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/260301

            …and here’s a great audit of the Democrat responsibility for this mess – and information regarding the left-wing media trying to scrub these inconvenient facts from history:

            Barney Frank opposed regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003, but no one reminds him
            http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2008/09/barney-frank-op.html

  • jointerjohn

    The republican party has intentionally assembled a voter base made up of persons who are easily driven by emotion and nearly immune to reason. The only way they can continue to manipulate them is by continued emotions, and we cannot counter-persuade them using facts or logic. Forget that crowd, right them off, and go to work on the young people.

    • Ipsophakto

      If I like my plan, can I keep my plan? Nope. What emotion do you suppose comes up when the nation is told lies to dupe them into electing a liar? My premiums would double, deductible would go up 4X under obamacare. There’s reason to reject Obama’s lies. Obamacare is the lousy insurance I can’t afford. Clear enough?

      • Sand_Cat

        Liar.

  • JohnRNC

    I think this article could have been titled “Why Republicans Will Never Stop Lying” [period]. They lie about everything from Fracking to Wall Street and beyond. They are not adhering to their oaths of office and serving the public interest. They are serving themselves and their wealthy contributors and they will say whatever is necessary to keep their positions.

    • Ipsophakto

      Put up or shut up. Name a lie. Obama told me that if I like my plan, I can keep it. Now I’m losing my plan and I can’t afford Obama’s lousy insurance options. He won lie of the year. He won Pinocchio of the year. Now, do tell of these republican lies. Obama’s biggest donors are Wall Street firms. George Soros, unions, all of Hollywood, sports stars, huge corporations fund Obama and the democrats. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

      • JohnRNC

        The lie is that you think Obama is doing this to you. Your insurance company is doing you. They are using the loopholes and flaws that they themselves built into the law to overcharge certain income brackets. This is the fundamental problem with keeping the insurance companies involved in providing healthcare – they’re not interested in healthcare, they’re interested in profits and they will get them any way they can.

        Examples of Republican Lies:
        Fracking is safe – OK. Please tell us what you’re injecting into the ground so we can prove it. Oh! there’s a federal law that says you don’t have to?? Well jeepers I guess we’ll just have to trust you…..

        Global Warming is a Farce – Really? Have you checked in with the Eskimos lately? Less ice year after year. Both ice caps shrinking. Don’t worry! It’ll be fine!

        Here’s a good one: Heterosexual marriages are adversely affected by homosexual marriages. I fail to see how ANYBODY’s marriage has an effect on my marriage. I’ve been married for 30 years and … OMG! I forgot that we attended a bi-racial gay marriage ceremony 2 months ago! That must be the reason we had an argument over what color to paint the living room!

        Shall I continue?

        • Ipsophakto

          The LAW required the insurance co’s to drop people AFTER Sebelius amended the grandfathering that was supposed to leave existing policies untouched. This amendment-round was done unilaterally, not via congress. The amendments she made PURPOSELY made it next to impossible for a policy to thread the needle hole Sebelius set up. Why? Because they realized that they couldn’t economically preserve the more affordable / existing plans and also subsidize the NEW – far-more expensive ACA compliant plans.

          Despite knowing this, and despite having explicit estimates in the Federal Registry enumerating the number of people likely to be dropped due to these ACA requirements, they rolled ahead with their LIE OF THE YEAR. The GOP spotted the trouble and tried to legislate a solution so that the PROMISES would be kept. The Democrats knowingly, WILLINGLY voted down that solution. Voila, MILLIONS of people tossed off their policy because of inane “violations” of the “law”.

          If your policy didn’t have the required facets, CANCELLED.

          If your policy changed in price, even by a very minor percentage, CANCELLED.

          If your policy was purchased after the date the “law” was signed….CANCELLED.

          If anything was ADDED to your policy within the grandfathering window….CANCELLED.

          Your assertion about the insurance companies being the bad guys is utter bunkum, and an outright pack of lies. Countless media sources have eviscerated your impish defense – and did so long ago. Obama molested his bad law repeatedly, and did so from the press room, the oval office, his twitter feed, blog posts….ambushing insurance companies, the healthcare industry, and most of all…just plain folks trying to live their lives, plan their futures, care for their families.

          MILLIONS OF PEOPLE were dropped, an unknown, unverified number of people were enrolled. The administration says “4 million” are enrolled. That’s a lie as well. Abandoned shopping carts are NOT paying customers! People trying to cancel are NOT paying customers. People not PAYING are not valid enrollments. People who set up multiple accounts or purchased more than one plan are not UNIQUE customers.

          The net result is….Obamacare pushed more people OFF of coverage than they have verifiably enrolled.

          As for your attempt at bringing a list of “lies”….

          Fracking is safe. Is it infallible? Of course not. Nothing is perfect. No Republican is saying Fracking is perfect. It is, however, safe. Democrat Gov. John Hickenlooper is an expert, and he believes it is safe, so does the EPA. States and the industry have registries that list exactly what is being injected. So, that pops your first example.

          As for this nonsnse….”Global Warming is a farce”. The Rebpublicans have no such plank in their platform. The science is NOT settled. Climate models are divergent from observed temperatures. Furthermore, I’m an expert in that field, having studied and practiced remote sensing and satellite imaging, and worked at NOAA and the NGDC. Obama is pimping fear with false conclusions about hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, droughts, floods. All of those events are DOWN or flat in frequency and magnitude across recorded history. Weather is not climate, and our climate has been stable for over 17 years running. None of our extremes have exceeded historical records, and not even close to exceeding inferred records that go much farther back.

          It is a farce for Obama to misuse weather events as examples of human-induced climate change. Even the climate scientists agree with that criticism.

          As for your nonsense about marriages, show me the GOP plank that asserts that nonsense. Ever heard of a log cabin republican? Are there social conservatives who want to preserve marriage as traditionally known? Sure. Are they trying to split gay couples apart or reinstate sodomy laws? No.
          Now, try again. You failed.

          • JohnRNC

            Living up to the subject of the day I see. I did my Masters analyzing ice cores. We are in an unprecedented warming cycle (Pop!)

            Frackers are allowed to declare certain components of what they inject as “proprietary”. So yes they sumbit vast lists of the inert ingredients but they get to hide the nasty stuff (Pop!)

            There are constitutional amendments in a number of states denying marital rights to homsexual couples largely based on stretched biblical verse. That aside, we’re not supposed to adopt religion as law in this country.

            Is the ACA accomplishing its goals? No. But the insurance companies are just as much to blame as the administration. Generous policies were rolled out during the 2 yrs prior to the law taking effect. Most of them non-compliant. Now why would they do that knowing that they were going to have to cancel them when the law went live? They did it to create the very effect we are seeing now – to piss off the people. They want this “idea” to fail and they are manipulating a badly written law and the marketplace to do just that. Combine this with some serious bureaucratic ineptitude and you have the disaster we are in. Untangling it will take time & skill but you have to reasonable people with integrity to get that done. I haven’t seen one lately. You?

          • Ipsophakto

            Your ice cores have been as warm before:

            “However, the authors note that this recent warming trend is similar in magnitude to warming and cooling trends that occurred in the mid-nineteenth and eighteenth centuries in their record, indicating that in this coastal West Antarctic location the effects of human-induced climate change in recent years have not exceeded natural climate variability over the past 300 years.”

            http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013GL057782/abstract

            RE: Fracking – they do disclose ingredients, they don’t disclose their recipe. Your false narrative is fully popped. Even the EPA has deemed it safe.

            http://fracfocus.org/chemical-use/what-chemicals-are-used

            RE: Obamacare.

            The insurance companies are subordinate to the administration and the “law” (such as it is….until Obama molests it in 10 minutes). The insurance companies are not above the law. They had no other choice but to cancel non-compliant plans and offer replacements and/or shunt people to the exchanges. That’s a fact.

            The insurance companies cooperated. The administration is the entity changing the rule along the way, wrecking lives and an industry.

            As for “reasonable people with integrity”….

            Obama? Lie of the year.

            Sebelius? “We’re ready to launch. Sure thing.”

            “The sites are secure.”

            No-bid contract, over $600 million, likely a BILLION for a website – which I could have built with a team of 25 and $5 million EASILY in a year. Are those the people of integrity? How about Obama’s people managing all that? People of integrity?

            How about these people?

            Another one bites the dust: Nevada’s ObamaCare exchange director resigns
            http://hotair.com/archives/2014/02/20/another-one-bites-the-dust-nevadas-obamacare-exchange-director-resigns/

            …and the many others like him? He just joined the ex-directors of Minnesota, Maryland, Hawaii, and Oregon among the ranks of the resigned.

            …or the felons found to be working as Obamacare “guides”?

            As for blame for the cancellations, you’re simply wrong. The blame is squarely with the ACA. This was intentional. Democrats KNEW there were going to be cancellations.

            Affordable Care Act, Not Insurers, At Fault For Cancelled Insurance Plans

            http://townhall.com/columnists/matthewneedham/2013/11/04/affordable-care-act-not-insurers-at-fault-for-cancelled-insurance-plans-n1734849/page/full

            In reality, these insurance cancellations are the result of insurance companies simply complying with the regulations put in place by the Affordable Care Act. According to Peter Suderman, Senior Editor of Reason Magazine, the Affordable Care Act “institute[s] a slew of new requirements that [are] certain to result in health insurers dropping current plans for millions of people.” Many existing plans in the individual market, which were targeted to meet consumer demand, did not fit these mandates. Health insurance companies have had to cancel many of their existing plans to create new, more costly plans which do comply with these new mandates.

            While this may be news to those who followed President Obama’s rhetoric over the past few years, the large number of health insurance cancellations were actually expected by the Obama administration. NBC News recently took a look at regulations issued in July 2010, finding that the Obama Administration “knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.”

            Checkmate. Try again….

          • joe

            Yes lets keep wasting tax dollars on global warming….BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA stupid as odumbo

        • joe

          ODUMBO cant remember anything, ever…. Billions on vacations, no budget (how do u run a country without one?) Tax hikes, cutting our military to cover his huge debt, IRS, Benghazi, odumbo scamcare….. unprotected healthcare site (well done on that one dumbass) and the IRS is running it? LMFAO LIBTARDS

          • Sand_Cat

            More erudition on display. And you call us idiots?

        • joe

          That comment just showed how little you know, if turd hadn’t implemented this sham of a healthcare the insurances wouldn’t have to drop all the millions they have had too… pretty sad and laughable when only a few million sign up… and have they paid yet… BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

      • Bodine666

        Which lies more, a teabilly or a teabilly troll?

  • Ipsophakto

    If I like my plan, can I keep my plan? Nope. Obama is the liar. Sebelius is the liar. The democrats who swallowed and regurgitated Obama’s lies and empty promises are the liars. Premiums are only one facet of the devastation obamacare is spreading. As Boonstra’s situation illustrates, the deductibles are crippling. My premiums would double – if I were stupid enough to buy Obama’s “cheapest” plan available to my family. My deductibles would explode 4X, from $3K to $12,700.

    Obamacare is the lousy insurance, Period. Wrecking and deceiving Peter to pay Paul is economic and political suicide. Obama pulled the trigger and told the lies get elected.

    The GOP and the tea party both told the stark truth about the negative impacts of obamacare from the start. They tried to delay it, repeal it, and now democrats are in a panic and begging for DELAY. Hypocrisy is the greatest “luxury”.

    Obama won the award for Lie of the Year from politifact. He won Pinocchio of the year from the Washington post. He’s the verified liar, and the one to blame, along with Democrats, for devastating lives to “save”

    • DennisRL

      I don’t like responding to right wing trolls like you, but sometime I just can’t help myself. You all sound alike. You have nothing positive to add to any discussion and all you can do is rip Obama and the ACA.
      So why don’t you tell us what the republican plan is for health care. I’m sure they wouldn’t be ripping the ACA unless they had a better plan ready to go. So let’s hear it. To come up with an alternative plan that would be better, it would involve coming up with something positive and forward thinking and with republicans that’s an impossibility. Don’t you think that the ACA would be a lot better if the republicans had agreed to work with the democrats to make it a bi-partisan plan. But that would have meant they would have had to work with Obama and go against big business and the big insurance companies and we can’t have that if you’re a republican. It’s laughable how the right wing base sits blithely by and let’s the republican leadership make all the arguments for the big health care insurance companies and against their better interest. How totally ignorant can you be.

      • Ipsophakto

        Anyone who disagrees with you and states facts is a “troll”?

        No, you don’t get to endorse a damaging failure and then shift responsibility on the GOP to “come up with something better”. It would be better to first do no harm. Obama is doing serious harm.

        The GOP has offered many alternatives. The democrats have ignored those.

        Putting 1/6th of our economy at risk on a foundation of lies, crony deals, and wealth redistribution is lousy from inception.

        Government is the problem, not the solution. One simple step to unravel a government problem would be to put employer sponsored plans and individual plans on the same footing in terms of taxation. Employer plans are tax exempt, individual plans are not.

        Pre-existing condition coverage for individual plans could have been phased in over time, not forced overnight.

        Obamacare is entirely the wrong direction, and wrong-headed, causing more people to lose coverage than gain it. That’s a FACT.

        • Faraday_Cat

          “Anyone who disagrees with you and states facts is a “troll”?”
          Fact: 9 out of 10 people advancing this argument do not have facts on thier side.
          The GOP has offered two or three alternatives, all of them very bad for everyone but the insurance industry.
          I agree that putting 1/6th of our economy at risk is a bad thing, so we should have single payer, right? I mean, lies, crony deals and wealth redistribution from the insurance industry is exactly what we have moved away from with Obamacare.
          I’m just going to stop there, the rest of your post is similarly fact challenged, and I’m sure if you want to argue it someone else will have the forbearance to educate you.

          • Ipsophakto

            …lol, and Obamacare isn’t a sop to the insurance industry?

            Your “fact” about “9 out of 10″ people is a phantom, an apparition. What’s your source for that nonsense?

            Lies, crony deals, and wealth distribution describes Obamacare PERFECTLY.

            He lied to get it passed, he lied to get re-elected, he made crony deals with industry and unions (both of whom now regret it), and MY wealth would be redistributed to pay the subsidy for others….and not an insubstantial amount. This whole scheme crushes the middle class. The rich guys will be just fine. The poor folks will be sitting pretty. The people working, making a decent living….they get shafted, big time.

            Of course you’ll stop addressing my facts. You have none yourself. I know more about this law and the impacts – as I am living it right now.

            Obama lied: That’s a fact you can’t deny, PERIOD.

            Obama Officials In 2010: 93 Million Americans Will Be Unable To Keep Their Health Plans Under Obamacare

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

            “if you like your plan….you can keep your plan….period.”

            “On Tuesday, White House spokesman Jay Carney attempted to minimize the disruption issue, arguing that it only affected people who buy insurance on their own. “That’s the universe we’re talking about, 5 percent of the population,” said Carney. “In some of the coverage of this issue in the last several days, you would think that you were talking about 75 percent or 80 percent or 60 percent of the American population.” (5 percent of the population happens to be 15 million people, no small number, but let’s leave that aside.)

            By “coverage of this issue,” Carney was referring to two articles. The first, by Chad Terhune of the Los Angeles Times, described a number of Californians who are seeing their existing plans terminated and replaced with much more expensive ones. “I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,” said one.

            The second article, by Lisa Myers and Hanna Rappleye of NBC News, unearthed the aforementioned commentary in the Federal Register, and cited “four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act” as saying that “50 to 75 percent” of people who buy coverage on their own are likely to receive cancellation notices due to Obamacare. Mid-range estimate: 51% of employer-sponsored plans will get canceled

            But Carney’s dismissal of the media’s concerns was wrong, on several fronts. Contrary to the reporting of NBC, the administration’s commentary in theFederal Register did not only refer to the individual market, but also the market for employer-sponsored health insurance.”

        • Jimmy Agler

          I think the fact that you have used the phrase “put up or shut up” about 67 times in the last 4 hours qualifies as trolling. We can also discuss your repeated use of “checkmate I win”, where does one go to get classified as an internet debate judge?

        • flyinjs

          That is pure ignorance. Pre-existing folks could die because4 you think helping THOSE people is beneath you. The republicans will win many local political contests, but they will never see the Presidency that is fact!

  • Ipsophakto

    Republicans and the Tea Party don’t need to bother with repealing obamacare. Obamacare is self immolating. It is imploding under the strain of its own incompetence and the ideological bankruptcy of the liberal progressives who wrote it.

    Face facts. Obamacare is DOA.

    • Sand_Cat

      If there’s no need to repeal it, why do they keep trying?
      Idiot.

    • Faraday_Cat

      The Heritage Foundation is full of liberal progressives?

    • robotkilr

      The Republican Party’s latest Obamacare “fix” would actually strip 1
      million Americans of their health care coverage, according to a newly
      released report from the Congressional Budget Office.

      In the report, the CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimate that Rep. Young’s bill — ironically titled the “Save American Workers Act of 2013” — would “Reduce the number of people receiving employment-based coverage — by about 1 million people.”
      That’s just the start of the political problems that the bill creates for Republicans. Although Rep. Young has claimed that out-of-control spending is “the single greatest threat to our nation’s future,” the report estimates that his legislation would increase the deficit by $74 billion over 10 years.
      http://www.nationalmemo.com/gops-latest-obamacare-alternative-increase-uninsured-deficit/

      • Ipsophakto

        Obama stripped over 6 million off of their coverage. 93 million more to come, according to the administrations own estimates, whenever Obama finally gets the courage to actually implement his own flaming train wreck on employers.

        The GOP is trying to walk back damage Obama has done. He did HUGE damage. Obama’s plan was supposed to create jobs – it has killed jobs. It was supposed to make things more affordable. Oops, that failed. It has more than tripled in cost since the CBO’s first scoring. $74 billion? That’s a pittance compared to what damage Obamacare will do. Obamacare is in the trillions.

        The first step is to simply stop doing harm, not keep digging.

        • robotkilr

          The stripped 6 million comment is your first lie. No such number is affected. Show link confirming that number. 93 million more is your second lie. The ACA is for the 30 million who do not have coverage.
          It effects less than 5% of business. It has already covered upwards of 13 million through it various provisions. The insurance industry has already stated publically that the current enrollments are better than their projections, especially for the under 30 age group. More and more Repub governors are rethinking their rejection of the fed funding. And as someone who works daily helping people navigate their options, I have not encountered one single person whose rates have increased and I am in S Fla woring among poor whites. Your rants are clearly duplicates of RW propaganda talking points and do not satnd up to scrutiny.

          • Ipsophakto

            Obama Officials In 2010: 93 Million Americans Will Be Unable To Keep Their Health Plans Under Obamacare

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

            The number of cancellations for people in the individual market is a moving target, but back in November it was 4.7 million. Now it is up to over 6.25 million. The states keep those stats. In Colorado alone, 250,000 cancellations. I’m one of those.

            The Fed funding is a fools deal. Getting hooked on 3 “free” years of a failing program is bad accounting, irresponsible, really. That’s money we don’t have.

            Your rants are clearly duplicates of an MSNBC / Daily Kos / National Memo zealot – unwilling to swallow that your emperor has not clothes.

            Obamacare and Obama are a pair of signature failures.

          • robotkilr

            Your link to Avik Roy’s blog is dated and has been debunked many times over. Here’s the real stats.

            Only 0.6% under 65 will lose insurance
            and pay more under Obamacare.
            Only .6% of people under age 65 are at risk of losing
            individual insurance plan AND pay higher premiums under
            Obamacare.

            If canceled, not even 1% will pay more for Obamacare: Study

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/101218418

          • flyinjs

            dated:2010

    • kingartie1

      Troll. Dolt. Fool. The squawk over Benghazi has been debunked and neutered, to a certain extent by Republicans themselves. I’d send you the links if I could believe I wasn’t sharing with a school yard bully. You folks persist to float in this conspiracy toilet because you’re addicted to the banal melodrama propaganda talking heads
      at Pox News. It’s not a bogus healthcare debacle when I, among millions of others, are getting what we’ve contracted for and pay a fair price for and will no long be ripped off or denied coverage by insurance companies. The IRS thing has been thoroughly debunked; a lone man or a small group acting on their own biases does not an Oval Office conspiracy make. Yes, Obama said if you like your insurance you can keep it. Probably to sell it better over the noise of
      the talking anuses yammering about “socialized medicine” and
      “death panels” when they knew there was no such thing. I for one now have vital insurance that I would be denied, and would have to forego otherwise unaffordable life-critical medical care, thank you.

      If you truly believe this bovine excrement, than you’ve not been keeping up on current events and are still reading the folderol of Alex Jones tickers from four years ago.

      Osama bin Laden is no more. Did we mention that if a Republican president had done it, we’d never ever hear the end of it? Obama has staged no ridiculous p.r. stunts on an aircraft carrier. Did we mention that the budget deficit has been cut by more than half? Did I mention that the previous administration did absolutely nothing about the growing health care crisis, and that millions now have new or better health insurance? Did we mention that two giant automakers and several hundred thousand jobs were saved from annihilation?

      Now, Bush was elected honestly? Let’s see…we never did get a thorough, credible explanation of the vote counts in Florida, or where some votes went four years later, in Ohio. We’re all still waiting for the exact location of those pesky WMDs that they
      were CERTAIN Saddam possessed. Of course, that was the stated purpose of an elective war that cost this nation WELL OVER $ 1 TRILLION and thousands of ended or ruined lives. We never got to the bottom of who outed Valerie Plame, either. Obama’s admin did not wipe out a multi-hundred billion $ surplus with one stroke of a tax-giveaway pen.

      Do I believe my government is 100% pure and competent? No way. But pick some true-fact topics that make you sound more intelligent than a donkey’s ass.

      • Ipsophakto

        Benghazi: You actually believe there was a protest over a video that sparked an attack on two compounds in Benghazi? You don’t believe Gregory Hicks or the others on site? Wow.

        IRS: What did Lois Lerner apologize for, right before she plead the 5th? We’ll find out on March 5th when she testifies. I can’t wait. Should be very fun.

        bin Laden is dead….yet…Hillary’s State Dept. failed to have adequate defense and response on the anniversary of 9/11 – despite repeated requests and red flags from the Ambassador. …and we know for a fact it wasn’t for lack of funding. That’s proven.

        Valerie Plame? She was outed by her lying husband.

        Do you not read the Washington Post? Wow, you’re really dragging out the liberal tropes. Bush didn’t lie, kiddo. Plame’s husband did.

        Read and learn:

        Plame’s Input Is Cited on Niger Mission

        Report Disputes Wilson’s Claims on Trip, Wife’s Role

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

        End of an Affair

        It turns out that the person who exposed CIA agent Valerie Plame was not out to punish her husband.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html

        “The CIA operative, Mrs. Plame, was outed by her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson. From 2004:

        “Wilson’s assertions — both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information — were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

        The panel found that Wilson’s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson’s assertions and even the government’s previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush’s January 2003 State of the Union address.”

        ————-

        …and here’s the sheepish admission from the Washington Post that further vindicates Bush and his staff: From 2006:

        “… it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame’s CIA career is Mr. Wilson [Plame's husband]. Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming — falsely, as it turned out — that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush’s closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy. It’s unfortunate that so many people took him seriously.”

        Obama is an award winning liar. Lie of the Year. You’ll never wash that fact off.

        • kingartie1

          This is all bull***t. “Do you not read the Washington Post?” Why, no, I don’t. Is that a requirement for engaging people like you? I suppose, then, that I’m unqualified. But, actually, my time is valuable. The Washington Post is now a tabloid mouthpiece. Might as well get my solid news and events analysis from the NY Post. Please waste your own time in your self-congratulatory masturbatory conspiracy black helicopter Obama is Kenyan nonsense. People like you will never help to solve the problems or issues of the U.S., you can’t see the forest for the trees and are obsessed that everything you say or believe (or rather, what you are prodded or told to say or believe) is impeccable. You’re not worth the time it would take to refute your arguments. AMF.

    • flyinjs

      Obamacare is here to stay and that is a fact, more sign-ups everyday. fact

  • bstockinger

    You have to wonder why newspaper, tv, and other so-called news entities are incapable of doing simple reporting and fact checking before they publish or air so many of these reports. The concept of checking your facts before publishing anything for public consumption is key to a free press.

    • Ipsophakto

      It isn’t a lie. She has cancer, she can’t afford the ACA deductible.

      • Independent1

        The reduction in here premium more than covered the ACA deductible. She was not in any problem whatsover aside from the one she fabricated..

        • Ipsophakto

          Prove that. Her deductible went up to $6,000. Her issue isn’t her premiums, her issue is CASH FLOW. She can’t come up with the payments given the deductible and coinsurance definitions.

          She had a plan she liked, and it had a lower deductible – so she was able to evenly, predictably manage her expenses – and she was getting the care she knew and wanted.

          “I lost my health care plan due to the implementation of ObamaCare, and I do not have $5,000 or $6,000 dollars in the bank.”

          Knowing that cancer treatments are expensive, she will have to come up with the money all at once, not in the predictable, manageable amounts she could afford.

          Premiums are only a part of the issue.

          Boonstra didn’t lie, and the ad doesn’t lie either. Obamacare is hurting her. It hurts many people in different and varied ways. Does this mean nobody is helped? No, but a law like this should FIRST DO NO HARM.

          I know. My premiums would double under Obamacare, my deductible would go up 4X.

          There are millions who are negatively impacted by the increased premiums and/or deductibles and coinsurance imposed by Obamacare.

          • Independent1

            There’s a link at the end of this post to an article in a 2/27 Huffington Post story on Boonstra that says her story may actually be an Obamacare success story. And not only do I think Boonstra’s story was fabricated, even the Washington Post gave here story 2 Pinochios.

            She colluded with some Koch related sponsors to try and derail Obamacare because she got frustrated in not being able to initially enroll for a replacement policy when Healthcare.gov was experiencing big problems.

            Here are some excerpts on that plus some numbers that show exactly what I said – her premium savings of $6.800/yr exceeded her $6,300 out of pocket max on her new Obamacare policy. Boonstra is nothing but a typical GOP shill.

            From the Huffington Post:

            Technical difficulties with the Obamacare website rollout meant Boonstra spent hours last fall trying to complete an online application for new insurance to no avail, she said. Boonstra became an advocate for repealing the Affordable Care Act and was invited by Rep. Tim Walberg (R-Mich.) to be his guest at the 2014 State of the Union address.

            The Huffington post website is running a script which is keeping me from copying the part in the article which states that Boonstra was paying $13,000/yr for premiums on her old policy and her new policy would have premiums that are over $6,800 less – meaning at minimum she was saving $500/yr.

            BUT!!! Her old policy most likely had language in it that made it cancellable at any time (something insurance companies were doing as a constant practice on people who kept running up high medical costs) AND her old policy most likely had lifetime or annual cap which when she reached them she would have to start paying 100% all of which are not allowed by her new policy.

            And if your new policy premium is actually double your old policy’s premium it’s most likely because your old policy wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on – meaning, you had a low lifetime cap or a higher annual deductible or the policy included language that would allow them to refuse to cover a miriad of high-expense illnesses or it had language that simply allowed your insurer to cancel your policy just when you needed it the most – when you were facing a high expense operation for example – all of which private sector health insurers were doing ROUTINELY before Obamacare.
            Here’s the link to that Huffington Post article which basically says Boonstra’s ad is nothing but a SCAM!!!

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/obamacare-ad-julie-boonstra_n_4823167.html

  • Faraday_Cat

    “Why Republicans Will Never Stop Lying” – Greed. The end.

    • Ipsophakto

      You’re not greedy? When someone gets a subsidy or “free” health coverage – and I’m paying for it, are they greedy?

      • Mark Forsyth

        How conveniently you ignore the fact that many of us who receive subsidies have spent our lives working and paying taxes to fund those programs.S.S. is no where near to being insolvent and we are quite fed up with listening to gop members advocate for the elimination of Social Safety Net programs.Need does not equate to greed.

        • Ipsophakto

          I’m not talking about medicare or SS. I’m talking about Obamacare.

          Your greed doesn’t trump mine. It goes both ways.

          • Mark Forsyth

            You clearly use the word subsidy in your previous statement.You assume that I have greed and you are wrong.

          • Ipsophakto

            What part of my response are you missing? I mentioned subsidy because there are some people who get a subsidy to lower or eliminate their Obamacare premiums.

  • hartleymsm

    Like the commercial the Koch brothers were floating with the woman from Tennessee that had her premium increase (the increase she claimed was more than the highest premium under the ACA). It turns out that she had a TennCare (medicaid) subsidized plan paid for by the federal government. The ACA moved this plan into the expanded medicare program and would have been replaced by full medicaid (paid 100% by the federal government) where she would have paid ZERO premium. Because the Tennessee GOP refused to take part in the expanded medicare program, They (the state of Tennessee) caused this woman to lose her coverage. But of course, THAT is a FACT that the Koch brothers don’t want people to know.

  • paulyz

    There isn’t any more credibility with the National Memo. After all the lies and scandals, and when Obama LIED over 30 times about Obamacare, you still back & defend him, and call the opposition the party that lies??
    This is pure mis-information and obvious pandering and propaganda. Anyone reading & believing your opinions and falsities are either very gullible, never listen to any other sources of information, Socialists, or government dependent voters wanting something from the hard work of others.

    • Ipsophakto

      Even worse, the Democrats are attacking a woman who has cancer. Where’s the upside? She didn’t lie. Her premiums went down, but her deductible went WAY up.

      The deductible is the killer, particularly with the very bad coinsurance the ACA plans have. 60/40 puts her on the hook for some fat bills right out of the gate.

  • 4sanity4all

    Warning: a troll has hijacked this comment line. If you read further, you will waste your time. Ignore the trolls, people. Let them starve and die!

    • Ipsophakto

      Calling people names – and trying to divert people from discussion is trolling. You’re doing the very thing you accuse others of doing.

  • Ipsophakto

    Warning, you might learn the truth if you scroll down and read the very lively, well-sourced facts I’ve provided. Here’s some facts to whet your appetite.

    On Jan 10th Obama tweeted out that “6 million people had signed up for healthcare” because of his reform.

    Here’s the rub:

    Of those 6 million….

    2.1 million signed up through the exchanges, and roughly 1/2 of those folks didn’t pay.

    The remaining 3.9 million signed up for Medicaid. Of those 3.9 million, 55% were from states that didn’t expand Medicaid, thus they were already eligible – and didn’t need Obamacare to sign up.

    About 45% were in states that expended Medicaid.

    However, in the CMS footnote – 6 of 25 states included renewals of Medicaid. So, really an unknown – and much diminished – number of these medicaid signups were due to Obamacare.

    Clearly the administration is spinning these horrible numbers at the speed of Iran’s centrifuges.

    Sorry to rain on the “success”.

    Some left leaning folks are facing the truth:

    Democrats in Denial Over Obamacare

    Supporters of the health care law are convinced they can defend themselves on the issue. Don’t bet on it.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/democrats-in-denial-over-obamacare-20140218

  • Ipsophakto

    Boonstra’s deductible went up to $6,000. Her issue isn’t her premiums, her issue is CASH FLOW. She can’t come up with the payments given the premium plus the far higher deductible as governed by the less favorable coinsurance definition.

    She had a plan she liked, and it had a lower deductible and lower coinsurance – so she was able to evenly, predictably manage her expenses – and she was getting the care she knew and wanted.

    “I lost my health care plan due to the implementation of ObamaCare, and I do not have $5,000 or $6,000 dollars in the bank.”

    Knowing that cancer treatments are expensive, she will have to come up with the money all at once, not in the predictable, manageable amounts she could afford.

    Premiums are only a part of the issue.

    Boonstra didn’t lie, and the ad doesn’t lie either. Obamacare is hurting her. It hurts many people in different and varied ways. Does this mean nobody is helped? No, but a law like this should FIRST DO NO HARM. It is wrecking Peter to pay Paul. This is WRONG.

    I know. My premiums would double under Obamacare, my deductible would go up 4X.

    My pre-obamacare plan is $525/mo, $3K deductible, with 80/20 coinsurance. So, worst case scenario, I’m out of pocket the $525, plus $600 (which is 20% of 3,000), or $1125 max. in any given month.

    If I took the “cheapest” Obamacare plan available to me and my family, my monthly premium would be $1078, my annual deductible $12,700, and my copay 60/40.

    In the event of a claim that exceeds the deductible, I’d be out of pocket $1078 plus $5080 (which is 40% of 12,700) for a total of $6158 out of pocket in one month. Many people don’t have that kind of money sitting around.

    See how that works? Bam, one month….40% of the deductible and the full premium must be paid.

    There are millions who are negatively impacted by the increased premiums and/or deductibles and coinsurance imposed by Obamacare, just like Boonstra, just like me – if I were even able to afford it..

    The ad isn’t a lie. Not at all. Obama lied. He won “Lie of the Year”.

  • tiredofitall

    I will return to this site once the ads stop popping up every time I switch screens

  • charles king

    The President and his Admin. has put the country on the right track by introducing them to (Critical Thinking) and show them that it works, The Pres. found out that critical thinking works because When? he got re-elected he knew then that the people were thinking, Like What? the hell is going on in America. Where? has our Democracy gone. MONIES , Capitailistic Pigs , Plutocracts , Tea potters , Non-working Republicans, and Non-working Democracts We the People know Who? you are and if you DO NOT DO NOTHING then we still have the supreme hold card. THE VOTE and we will cast your sorry A***S out to dry out. Thank You are the magic words with me. I Love Ya All. Mr. C. E. KING

    • Ipsophakto

      You’re as wrong as you could possibly be.

      He introduced us to the Lie of the Year.

      If I like my plan, can I keep my plan?

      The Democrats are the “do nothing” party, and make-it-worse party. Speaking of critical thinking, let’s do some…..

      Do Nothing Democrats Not At It Again
      http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/do_nothing_democrats_not_at_it_again.html

      There were 8 bills voted on by both bodies. Seven of the eight bills were written and originated in the House. Only one originated in the senate. The House voted on 141 other bills. The Senate 6. That’s it. None of the normal business of appropriating funds. None of the legislation which could create jobs. The Senate had not passed a budget for a number of years until last year.

      Of course the Senate does vote to confirm presidential appointees. But Senate Democrats are whining about not getting enough opportunities for confirmationvotes so they can hardly blame their legislative lethargy on that. It is Harry Reid who once again is not doing the job that the Senate is required to do to responsibly govern the country. It is Harry Reid, Democrat from Nevada, who is obstructing the normal functioning of the federal government.

      • LookAtThisIdiot

        Hilarious to watch you intellectually bankrupt conservatives suddenly care about Politifact. Could you be more of a hypocrite? Squawk your conservative talking points somewhere else, Polly Parrot.

  • joe

    Must be sad to be a odumbo supporter still… aren’t there like 6 left? He has told more lies, spent more money than any other president in our history… that makes him the worst in history. his own party is turning there backs on him…. billions on vacation, unprotected scamcare website, IRS, Fast and furious, Benghazi, tax hikes, no budget, cuts the military so he can cover his own HUGE DEBT that he created, giving illegal’s free handouts that we pay for?? WHAT A WORTHLESS WASTE

  • Joseph

    The Republicans will never run out of shills like Boonstra. In fact there are probably still families that will debate the pros and cons of inviting the Native Americans to thanksgiving. If Boonstra gets well, and I hope she does, and 10 years form now is hit by tourist bus in Orlando it will be the fault of Obama-care. Yawn.

    • Ipsophakto

      How is a woman with cancer telling how obamacare hurts her financially a “shill”?

      • Joseph

        She used her tragic tale of sickness as a platform to tell lies about her health care. She mayor may not have been paid.

      • hartleymsm

        Well let’s look at her situation..
        From the Detroit News 1/24/14
        She said she was covered under a Blue Care Network private plan with a $1,100-a-month premium but low out-of-pocket costs…. Ultimately, she enrolled in a new Blue Cross Blue Shield plan through
        an agent where her premiums were cut in half at $571, but she pays
        higher out of pocket costs. She’s still seeing her U-M oncologist.

        The Washington Post gave that ad Two Pinocchios

  • lovingourdearleader

    “Maybe that’s why the ad campaign has proven so singularly unpersuasive to skeptics.” To all these supporters, if Obamacare is working so well why have there been 27 changes (without any input from Congress)? Just curious

  • lovingourdearleader

    “Maybe that’s why the ad campaign has proven so singularly unpersuasive to skeptics” If all these people are liars per Mr. Lyons and Harry Reid and the law is working just super, why has this law been changed 27 times?

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