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Clinton’s Simple Case For Obamacare: ‘It’s Better Than The Current System’

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Clinton’s Simple Case For Obamacare: ‘It’s Better Than The Current System’

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Bill Clinton made the economic case for implementing and improving the Affordable Care Act on Wednesday morning at the Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock, Arkansas.

The White House asked the man who was dubbed “The Secretary of Explaining Sh*t” after last year’s Democratic convention to explain the law, in an attempt to combat the massive campaign by Republicans to misinform voters and sabotage President Obama’s signature legislative accomplishment.

“I have agreed to give this talk today because I am still amazed at how much misunderstanding there is about the current system of health care, how it works, how it compares with what other people in other countries pay for health care and what kind of results they get and what changes are actually occurring now and are going to occur in the future,” he said.

Clinton was speaking in front of a small audience of doctors and health care professionals, but his audience was clearly the media and thousands watching the livestream of the speech online.

A Kaiser Family Foundation poll released the last week of August revealed that 51 percent of people polled said they “don’t have enough information about the Affordable Care Act to understand how it will impact them and their family,” and 44 percent were confused about or unaware of the current status of the law.

The former president noted that America is first “by a country mile” in the share of gross domestic product we spend on health care, at 17.9 percent. Yet our results are somewhere around 25th — at best — in the world.

He suggested our economy could be transformed if we could reduce that share to the 12 percent of GDP Switzerland and the Netherlands devote to health care.

“The difference between 17.9 percent and 12 percent is $1 trillion a year,” he said. “A trillion dollars that could go to pay raises, or to hire new employees or to make investments that would make our economy grow faster or to provide more capital to start small businesses or to expand others or to support diversifying and strengthening agriculture. You name it. A trillion dollars is a lot of money to spot our competitors in a highly competitive global economy.”

Obamacare is the best way to begin this transformation, he argued.

“It’s better than the current system, which is unaffordable and downright unhealthy for millions of Americans,” he said.

148 Comments

  1. TZToronto September 4, 2013

    This is what they naysayers need to hear. The problems that are often cited as sufficient reason to repeal the ACA are the ones that President Clinton points to as requiring fixing, but, theACA is the start, not the finish. Much more needs to be done before everyone has health insurance that is affordable and meets everyone’s needs. At present we hear ACA opponents (and there are many) spouting unsupported claims of drastically increased costs, millions of illegal immigrants potentially flooding the health care system, and many employers canceling their employees’ insurance. (What support there is for these claims is usually anecdotal and looks only at the very near term and the personal experience, not the long term and the big picture.) The rationale that is often given for opposing the mandatory purchase of health insurance is that if you’re not sick you don’t need health insurance. Well, that makes a lot of sense–until you get sick, and millions of healthy people DO get sick every year. Oddly enough, the only way to bring down health insurance costs is to make sure everyone is insured.

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    1. kanawah September 4, 2013

      Health insurance is like a parachute, until you need it, it is a nuisance, but when you need it, there is no other answer.

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      1. ralphkr September 4, 2013

        Well put, kanawah, and I would like to add that in the USA if you do not have health insurance and get a serious illness the result is much like not having a parachute. No parachute = physical death…No health insurance = economic death.

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        1. PCMartin September 5, 2013

          Curiously, 75% of the half-million Americans a year who file for bankruptcy primarily due to medical debt *had* insurance when they became injured or ill. With the ACA’s very high caps on out-of-pockets, we can expect that to continue. After Obamacare’s “pilot project” in Massachusetts, Romneycare, was adopted the “medical bankruptcy” rate in that state fell by only 8%. Under the ACA, American health insurance policies will remain by far the most expensive, and by far the least financially protective, in the developed world. We can only hope that our health outcomes rise from close to the bottom of the OECD, currently, to somwhere in the middle….

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          1. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            What many of us realize is we needed a better law, NOT no law.

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          2. ralphkr September 5, 2013

            However, PCMartin, under the old system there was a lifetime cap on benefits a company would pay as well as a yearly cap on benefits as well deductibles neither of which is allowed under ACA nor is cancelling a policy by the company allowed when a person gets sick.

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    2. idamag September 5, 2013

      As a leader, when conflicts arose, I always said, “Let’s put something in place and if it should be better, let’s make it better.” The ACA is not perfect, but it is better than the present system of having stockholders to compete with for getting your medical costs covered. And since it is not perfect at least it is there to fix.

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  2. Bill September 4, 2013

    The GOP doesn’t like the ACA because its run by the Government but you don’t see them giving up their Government run insurance. They sit there at the top of the latter and deny the people at the bottom coverage. I hope it all catches up with sooner rather than later.

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    1. idamag September 5, 2013

      They don’t like the ACA because their contributors don’t want it.

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    2. purelogic September 6, 2013

      Bill, get your “their” pointed in the right direction. President Obama came back to DC and met with leaders from the democratic party. Not republicans or independents. After this meeting the president signed their request that congress and their minions not be forced into paying for their own insurance. A simple presidential signature that would let them out of “their” ACA chains. He agreed, signed, and they all left town. It had nothing to do with the GOP. The GOP has written a bill that would require the authors of the ACA (Obamacare) to be governed by it, if it gets enough votes and the president signs it.

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  3. Dominick Vila September 4, 2013

    Former President Clinton is, needless to say correct, and I love the fact that he raised a facet of the Affordable Care Act that is seldom addressed or understood by its detractors. That is, the positive impact that ACA will have on the business community, on small businesses, and on investment and job creation.
    The current system is not only the most expensive in the world, it is also the most exclusive and ineffective from a cost perspective. It should have been changed many years ago. Unfortunately, the special interests who fear a negative impact on their revenues did and continue to do everything they can to demonize something that is bound to help all segments of our society, even the wealthy who will have more money at their disposal to invest…hopefully in the USA. Even the insurance industry, hospitals, doctors and the pharmaceuticals will benefit from the addition of a huge pool of new customers who currently don’t have coverage because they cannot afford the high premiums.

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  4. itsfun September 4, 2013

    Bill must believe having death panels is better than the current system. He must want Obama’s support for Hillary really bad to stoop this low. Tell us Bill, how does Obama’s ass taste?

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    1. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

      1. The only death panels are the Republican party and the insurance companies. Denying healthcare to 15+% of the population constitutes death panels. Giving poor healthcare to 30-50% more constitutes death panels. Reforming healthcare does not create death panels. If you had read the article, you would realize Clinton’s impeccable logic. Unreasonably hating anyone, in this case Clinton, is not a logical argument.

      2. Obama’s support for Hillary will be a given, but is of secondary importance in 2016. Obama will be going out of office. Rather weak reasoning on your part, don’t you think. Oops, “thinking” is not something that you do. You racists can’t post anything without denigrating the President.

      3. Your final sentence is not pertinent and adds nothing to the conversation. If you think it does, then what about this? Go f*ck yourself and raise your own little b*st*rds, you rotten, lying sociopath! How is that for on-topic conversation?

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      1. itsfun September 4, 2013

        Even Howard Dean admitted there are death panels. Lets see, if I don’t like Obama that makes me a racist. Talk about logic and reasoning on someones part. When you don’t have a argument you just revert to name calling and using the race card.

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        1. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

          1. No he did not. Some Democrats have some concerns, but no one has ever said anything about death panels. There were five Democrats in vulnerable districts that have signed off to stop the “Independent Payment Advisory Board,” which only has broad based powers to decide on how Medicare funds will be spent. They have no power on an individual’s care, only the compensation that doctors get. This is just another attempt to twist words to make up something that was never said. In other words, you have been busted for a liar again.

          2. We established long ago, by word and deed, that you are a racist. As well, why do you bring up Obama when he is not even mentioned in an article, or at least, only briefly? Why not post to the topic, instead of off-topic slurs and nonsense. As I have explained to your cohorts, that is the only reason I am so rude to you. I give you in kind, what you have given to others.

          3. Your name calling bullshit is just that. Who said, “Tell us Bill, how does Obama’s ass taste?” Is that not an insult? You begin the same way everytime you post. Of course, as a Teatard, you have special rights that the rest of us do not enjoy. Yeah, I think you really believe that, but of course, that statement is as false as all your posting.

          4. The conclusion is: You deserve the name calling, as you start name calling every time, and you deserve the tag of racism, because you show know respect for the president at all, even though your arguments are totally contrived. A different way of saying this is, “there has to be another reason.” You are way beyond normal dislike for a president that your mob of gangsters has prevented from enacting most of his program. It is not natural to continue to smear someone with lies in blog, after blog, when he is not even mentioned.

          Of course, as a Teatard, when in doubt, LIE. “Talk about logic and reasoning on someones part.” Exactly, I used it and gave some reasons why I said what I did. You just make up sh*t and then point to your lies as a reason. Go to where that way of doing things is appreciated.

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          1. itsfun September 4, 2013

            I shouldn’t have said that about Bill Clinton and I do apologize for that. However for the rest of your post LOL

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          2. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Too late. There are no “take backs.” You cannot make me to blame for your insults and failed ideas. You cannot start this sh*t and then disavow it and make it my fault. Anyway, YOU DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU COME HERE! YOU”RE APOLOGIES ARE NO GOOD. You will just do it again the next time. . . .

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          3. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 5, 2013

            Russell: this guy and his kind of TPot crackpots rely for their “facts” about ACA on that eminent expert on health insurance, she who coined the phrase “death panels”, the one, the only Thrilla from Wasilla, the inimitable TPot genius Ms Sarah Palin!!

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          4. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Absolutely agree. I had to reply to say that the “Thrilla from Wasilla” got my day off to a good start. That is one that is worth remembering.

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          5. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

            Russell why do you even acknowledge the existence of itsfun let alone try to reason with him? It’s not worth raising you blood pressure over.

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          6. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            I enjoy it, admittedly, too much some times. Rarely does my blood pressure get up. The exception is always when I get a notification that one of “God’s chosen” is trying to stir up a topic that has been dead for days.

            If you have noticed, I do not post much. Usually, the most on-topic posting that I do is right after I have a big blow-out with one of our resident blow-hards. That is why I am making more comments than usual.

            I prefer to just read the posts of others. I like to listen to what other people are saying. However, and I have told everyone of these sh*ts quite honestly, I despise liars, and bullies. I have met liars that were not bullies, but I have never met a bully that was not a liar. Liars are capable of anything . . . from thievery to murder. They offend my sense of right and fair play.

            I will add something that I will not discuss in detail. I admit, arguing with an “itscrap” does prove nothing, but allowing him to come, spew his sh*t, see everyone flee, and shut down a topic, AND get some easy, sick jollies is what is really encouraging his return. They get bragging rights about how they have educated us and how easy (how cowardly) we are.

            That is why he returned after the beating he took. Somehow, he thinks by ratcheting it up a notch, he will get his way. He will feel good about his useless, miserable life. He enjoys stealing others joy. I am just here to see that he gets as little of that joy as possible.

            However, if this is a problem, I will cease, and go elsewhere.

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          7. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

            “However, if this is a problem, I will cease, and go elsewhere.”

            No! Not a problem. I was just concerned that you might be raising your blood pressure dangerously high needlessly. But I see now that my fears were unfounded.

            Please continue. I find it thoroughly entertaining watching Its taking all those stupefying left hooks to his right-wing “troglodentia”.

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          8. 4sanity4all September 6, 2013

            Russell, I love your posts! You take down the blowhards point by point, and I love to read every word. I hope you make itsfun’s head explode. I think he is a paid troll, so you take the fun out of it for him.

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      2. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

        Russell we don’t want people like itsfun reproducing. One of them is way too many.

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        1. idamag September 5, 2013

          You bet!

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    2. BillP September 4, 2013

      Your last sentence shows a lack of class and intelligence that is beyond any reply. You talk about name calling but that is all I read from of you, Bozo and the other right wing trolls. Where/when did Howard Dean claim there a death panels ? Every Rwt claims the same thing I don’t like President Obama but it’s not because of his race, bs!

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      1. itsfun September 4, 2013

        Howard Dean

        http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/07/31/Howard-Dean-Admits-Palin-Was-Right-About-Death-Panels

        Just amazing how not liking Obama makes one a racist. Anyone that jumps to using the race card so easy, must be a racist.

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        1. BillP September 4, 2013

          The only thing on this link is Hannatty’s claim that Dean is saying that death panels will occur, he never said that in his oped piece in the Wall Street Journal. Here is what he wrote One major problem [with ObamaCare] is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them. He never used the term death panels. Next time check the source not breitbart.com

          It’s amazing that all of you who hate Obama always claim it’s now his race but something else, gee what a coincidence.

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          1. itsfun September 4, 2013

            The Independent Payment Advisory Board is the death panel. I don’t like Obama because I feel he is a Socialist. I don’t like government competing with private industry. That is exactly what the health care law does. I feel the main goal of this health care law is to bankrupt the private insurance companies, thus putting the government if complete charge of our health care. After that I worry about have a people’s car, people’s housing, etc. That is why I don’t like Obama. I feel he wants to be a dictator and not a president. I think he ignores the constitution and by passes the congress every chance he gets. I think he always finds someone else to blame every time something doesn’t go his way. Five years later he is still blaming George Bush for some problems. He needs to stand up a be a leader, not someone that has a my way or the highway attitude.

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          2. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Socialism is good, at least in controlled quantities. It is really what drives Democracy. Decent people will vote for a decent society for all, as it is in their, and their families, own best interests. Socialism is hated by Fascists.

            The Ultra-Capitalists spend a percentage of the profits they make on our labor to convince us to hate our fellow citizens and thereby keep us divided. They hate Democracy and the right’s of the people. Those things are hindrances to their extreme avarice.

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          3. itsfun September 4, 2013

            I bet you have a picture of Karl Marx above your bed

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          4. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            No, but I do not have pictures of your hero Mussolini and your uncle Adolf above my bed like you do. Who is name calling on that one. If I give a reasonable analysis (you are not required to agree) then you counter with one of the most lame and tired things a nitwit can say. Yep, that was a name call that you have earned in spades.

            Once again, “The Ultra-Capitalists spend a percentage of the profits they make on our labor to convince us to hate our fellow citizens and thereby keep us divided. They hate Democracy and the right’s of the people.” I give you the Kock brothers as an indisputable example. You love them even though they will eventually destroy your right to free speech (amongst other rights). All because you hate Obama so badly.

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          5. itsfun September 4, 2013

            People aren’t suppose to make a profit in their businesses?

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          6. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Has that ever been said? They do have drugs to treat Schizophrenia these days. That might be the explanation for the evil voices you hear. On the other hand, a LESS kind explanation is that you are just stupid, mean, and unreasonable.

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          7. DurdyDawg September 4, 2013

            There’s quite a difference between a reasonable profit margin and “Record profit billions while still sucking off the g’ment tit”.. There’s such a thing as ‘filthy rich’ and you and your brain dead wankers keep butt sniffing every one of them for that rare bone that they keep promising to ‘trickle’ down to you..

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          8. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Priceless . . . and how true.

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          9. idamag September 5, 2013

            Greed is one of the seven deadly sins listed. When McDonald’s CEOs make 744% higher wages than the people who make them successful, it is greed.

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          10. itsfun September 5, 2013

            Everyone has the right to start their own company and make higher wags than their employees. Why do so many people want to punish successful people for being successful?

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          11. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Why do successful people have to punish the rest of us for making their money for them?

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          12. DurdyDawg September 5, 2013

            Because they don’t acknowledge the people who help them make their profits.. They have this fantasy that it was ALL them. Why can’t you recognize that? You can’t create products without the help of the workers.. You can’t amass the products and distribute them without the help of others and you can’t make those profits without those very people BUYING your wares.. Everyone has the right to start their own company but how can you succeed without the very people you spit upon? Higher wages than their employees has always been a ‘gimme’.. We’ve never argued that line of reality but to make more millions by unethical practices both toward the employee and the consumer is pathetic and I only wish that the majority of this country would refuse to buy from such toads. The ‘success’ you refer to isn’t success as much as manipulation and unethical b’ness practices. And finally, we do not want to take this wealth away from them.. we simply want them to (1) pay their employees in accordance to the record profits they amass and (2) pay their FAIR SHARE in the taxes that we’re all obligated to pay.

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          13. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            If you had any real education, you would realize that Marx is a big deal, even in Capitalism. You just wave him around when it is convenient like some magic talisman that will prove to everyone that your opponents are all Communists. How very Joe McCarthy.

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          14. itsfun September 4, 2013

            Kinda like you use the race card?

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          15. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Kinda like when I called you what you are. Don’t you people ever have an original idea? Everything you say is a tired slogan that has been spoon fed to you by the very people that are really killing this nation by spreading lies, sedition, and division.

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          16. idamag September 5, 2013

            Since he, and a few other poster, say things word-for-word, you know they are not thinkers.

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          17. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Yeah, that has always bothered me. They don’t exactly quote anything, but nevertheless, they parrot exactly what they have been told as truth.

            This indicates that there was no thought involved. They just repeated by rote. It’s scary, the Kock brothers are getting exactly what they paid for from idiots like him.

            I wonder if they were told they could confound Liberals by taking a gun out of a box, pointing it at their own head, and pulling the trigger, if they would do it.

            There is no thought process going on here!

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          18. judi September 4, 2013

            Russell: DON’T FEED THE TROLLS….Itsfun.

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          19. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Yes, I enjoy feeding them all the rat killer they can swallow. Itsfun.

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          20. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 5, 2013

            Sorry that you failed to learn the difference between Socialism and Communism. Karl Marx was not a socialist. Do you understand that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, UI, etc. are forms of (gasp!) Socialism. Socialized medicine (single-payer) is the reason why socialized countries like Sweden, Finland and Canada, among others, have FAR better health care outcomes than the USof A.

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          21. idamag September 5, 2013

            And the Scandinavian countries have the highest standards of living in the world.

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          22. idamag September 5, 2013

            Karl Marx was not a socialist. He was a communist.

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          23. itsfun September 5, 2013

            Karl Marx is generally known as the father of Socialism. His book was named the communist manifesto.

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          24. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            But what did the book say and what did Marx think of himself as. In Economics, he is also considered one of the father’s of modern capitalism.

            A simplistic version would be that Marx’s greatest problem was capitalists and religion working with the State to control the populace while leaving them to live in misery.

            Capitalism may produce more, but has ALWAYS impoverished the people by reap a excess of the surplus AND giving nothing in return. The advancements to the people and society have come from the REFORMS that curtail the greed aided by a tiny, very tiny, number of enlighteded capitalists.

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          25. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 5, 2013

            The Communist Manifesto is actually a pamphlet co-authored with Friedrich Engels. Marx’ definitive work is Das Kapital.

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          26. idamag September 5, 2013

            Socialism beats a country owned by global corporations. That is a danger ifsun should be looking into to protect our country.

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          27. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            shitsfun could not care less about this country. He thinks a multi-tiered system where he fits in a neat, privileged niche is okay as long as there is a multitude of untermensch to piss down on. He is too weak to stand up to bullies or for himself. Yet, as long as someone else is getting the shaft he is beaming from ear to ear. He is conditioned to love the bully and kiss the ass of the rich and powerful.

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          28. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            I don’t like private industry trying to be our government. I do not like treasonous money men spending to subvert our government processes in order to make more filthy profits and subvert our Democracy.

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          29. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Most successful Democracies have seriously curtailed the power of private insurers with public programs. They have done this with a fraction of the cost of our bloated private program. Don’t bother with the right-wing lie that healthcare is poor. All these countries love their healthcare systems. Remember, I did not say they are perfect, but ours, considering the cost, is just about the worst among industrialized nations.

            WHY NOT STOP ALL THE LIES AND GIVE IT A CHANCE? If it fails, everyone will want repeal, and then you can crow about it. Idiots like you will drive us to Communism. In your eyes, the bullies have a right to everything. That is exactly what got the Tsar killed. In your case, beTsar.

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          30. itsfun September 5, 2013

            Isn’t Obama the one appointing Tsar’s?

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          31. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Another race card. Who would have guessed the joker was a race card too? You blurb neither addressed anything I said, nor does it address the article that on-topic discussion should be addressing. So I guess you are, as you always are, just here to disrupt. You have no ideas to exchanged and no conversation beyond some verbal diarrhea.

            As I said, you are beTsar.

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          32. itsfun September 5, 2013

            You are one talking about Tsar’s. Anything you say is so diluted with hate that you can’t see the truth or believe anything that is said if you don’t like it. You are the one that refuses to see the truth and have no ideas beyond verbal diarrhea.

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          33. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Well, once again you do not have even one original idea. Now you have to steal mine.

            As well, you obviously have poor reading comprehension.

            So I will repeat the obvious for you, “WHY NOT STOP ALL THE LIES AND GIVE IT A CHANCE? If it fails, everyone will want repeal, and then you can crow about it. Idiots like you will drive us to Communism. In your eyes, the bullies have a right to
            everything. That is exactly what got the Tsar killed. In your case,
            beTsar.

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          34. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            I will point out that at times I am impassioned, but the only hate I have is for narrow minded a-holes like you, that come to lie, troll, and disrupt.

            The difference between us is, I use the facts to make as dispassionate a decision as possible, and I adapt myself to that. You on the other hand, chose your facts based on how they fill your personal mold of hatred, racism, and contempt for your fellow man.

            If God came down and said, “you are wrong, here is the evidence,” I would change my mind. You would tell him that this cannot be right, because you do not believe it. No evidence required. You probably would tell him to go to Hell.

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          35. idamag September 5, 2013

            I have to dislike them as they are weakening the fiber of our democracy with their ideologies based on talking points of the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch.

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          36. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Unfortunately, though we are making progress, it has always been easier to destroy than to create. Like a mighty ocean liner that took years to build. A sizable hole, taking only seconds to inflict, can cause the ship to sink in minutes. That is one of my off-hand descriptions of the Teanderthal party.

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          37. idamag September 5, 2013

            I can’t remember what the concept is called when a person sees others with his own faults.

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          38. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            I think it is called psychological projection. I think that is a concept that Freud developed. Rather than face your own faults, you blame something or someone else. For instance, a car door is at fault for you slamming your thumb in it.

            My fields are history, geography, and economics so I might be confusing terms.

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          39. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            If anything, Obama obeys the Constitution too much, unlike the Repub mob of gangsters. As well, only a total idiot would say that Congress has tried to assist him running this nation. Right now many of them would shut down our entire government to illegally extort the disastrous concessions they demand.

            Obama should, for the sake of the nation, go around Congress. Congress refuses to do its job and treats the American people as hostages.

            Once again, you use contrived and easily destroyed arguments to disguise the racism at the bottom of your hatred.

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          40. itsfun September 4, 2013

            written like a true Socialist. Keep playing the race card though, you are good at it.

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          41. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Yes, an individual that cares about my nation, its Democracy, and ALL of the people that live in it. Not an ass sucker for special interests like you. I bet you never did a real days work in your life. Watching others make your money is probably your specialty.

            I will keep playing the TRUTH card. You have not said or done anything that indicates the race card is not a perfect meld for you.

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          42. itsfun September 5, 2013

            Every time I talk about our country being a democracy, I am scolded by liberals telling me we are a republic, not a democracy. Which is right? I worked as a system analyst for over 35 years. Worked my way through college bagging groceries and the GI bill. I think you believe you are using the truth card, as I believe I am. However, using the race card like you do is similar to the boy yelling wolf. Anyone that uses the race card as much as you do, must be a racist. I do believe you are one.

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          43. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

            Fiction.

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          44. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            How true.

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          45. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            You have a deck of 51 race cards. Yeah, you’re deck is not even full.

            If you were not a racist, then why do you keep going on about Obama, even when the articles do not mention him. This is racism that you may not be willing to admit exists, but it is there. If it were just dislike, I would at least make some minimal effort to introduce a reason for my comments.

            And again, if you have any real education, why do you keep carrying on about an ignorant slogan like the “race card.” As I have already said, it is not a magic talisman that proves your point. It does not prove any point at all, except your lack of coherent thought and originality.

            I doubt if the conversations with Liberals ever took place. At least, not in the context that you describe. As you have already done with the references to Howard Dean, you use a person’s words in any context that is convenient for the argument at hand. A sort of “cut and paste” to reference whatever discussion you please. (Acorn would be an excellent example.) However, amongst honest people in honest discourse this equates with a bold face lie.

            As for your question about whether America is a republic or a democracy, you should realize that this nation is a Republic under democratic principles. The majority does not always have a total say. Especially, when their desires destroy the Civil Rights of others. It would take too long for me to give you a citizenship lesson, but here is one brief example.

            One example would be “Brown vs. Board of Education.” A Republic has laws that allow for legal remedies. In this case, to remediate racism and bias. A pure Democracy would allow the racists to out vote anyone that they please to continue to deny Civil Rights guaranteed by the law. The racists claim their rights are being infringed and the rights of those they despise do not really exist. However, the racists in this case are merely being inconvenienced by having to obey reasonable, fair rules of conduct.

            Same thing the Teatards are doing with right now women’s rights, the 2nd Amendment, etc. Additionally, they argue that their rights are being infringed, though there is absolutely no tangible evidence that is occurring. Once again, reasonable gun laws have been proven to make us safer, but gun nuts fear anything that may even possibly “inconvenience” their ability to do as they please. (By the way, I am a gun owner myself. So do not bother going there. Nuts should not have guns.)

            The real shame here is the Teamob is not even a huge minority, much less a majority. Unfortunately, they feel they have an absolutely right to rule, even though all they want to do in nullify.

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          46. idamag September 5, 2013

            I don’t thinks so, either. I have friends from all three parties. No Democrat has ever told me we are not a democracy. Democracy means government by the people.

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          47. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Yes, rather this is an argument I have heard from what passes as intellectual Repubs. The Repubs have always known, that if we REALLY do what is in OUR own best interests, their days are numbered. Therefore, they have to play by crooked rules that they corrupted and they must propagandize us until our eyeballs pop out. And let’s add in capitalist’s as equivalent to a Repub. They operate the same way and they are usually one and the same.

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          48. Mike Maricle September 6, 2013

            You used the GI Bill? TAKER

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          49. itsfun September 6, 2013

            You have something against giving our young people a chance to earn a college degree after giving anywhere from 2 – 20 years of their lives to our country?

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          50. judi September 4, 2013

            How much are you paid to post this tripe….or do you do it for self satisfaction?

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          51. itsfun September 5, 2013

            I am always being told by liberals how we need to be tolerant of the opinions of others. I guess you have decided to be tolerant only of people that agree with you.

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          52. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

            The operative phrase here is “be tolerant of the opinions of others.”. Not bullpuckey of others. There is a difference.

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          53. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            On the other hand, why should we be tolerant of you opinions, when they are based on intolerance? Hmm?

            You believe that those that have opinions that you do not hold, must be denied the right to express them. By any kind of disruption possible.

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          54. idamag September 5, 2013

            If you tell me the moon is made of green cheese, I am supposed to ponder your nuttiness? No way.

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          55. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Or is that “mooniness.”

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          56. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            Boy, do you ever lie. I cannot even recall the last time I heard Obama actually speak about Bush. Are you watching a little too much Faux Noise? And Bush IS at fault for our wars and much of our debt. Fighting unjust (based on lies blaming the wrong nation) wars and spending the money off the books. Ruining the government’s budget by unneeded tax cuts for the rich. That we are still suffering from.

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          57. itsfun September 4, 2013

            You probably didn’t hear Obama talking crossing a red line either.

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          58. judi September 4, 2013

            Obama said that IF there was proof about what Syria was really doing…that was crossing a red line, and that he would have to recalculate or rethink the situation. NOTHING was said about crossing ANY line for DIRECT RETALIATION. read the entire comment, not FOXs version

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          59. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

            I think the difference is, and another proof of your racism, I did not say Obama is perfect. Yet, you deny that Bush ever did anything wrong at all. Bush set up most of the messes Obama has to figure out solutions for. All without any real help from those Republitard a-holes in Congress. In your view Obama is all bad, though he is mostly good, Bush is all good, though he was mostly bad.

            Don’t deny, you are the one that said, “GOP good, Obama bad.” A silly lie. Not “Democrat bad, BUT Obama bad.” You hate him personally and for what reason except racism?

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          60. itsfun September 5, 2013

            I think Bush was not a good President. He had the perfect opportunity to secure our borders and fix the illegal immigration problem we are facing today. He failed miserably in that. Obama had a Democratic house and senate his first 2 years, He got everything he wanted. I have no problems with Democrats. We need different ideas and opinions in our country. Like I said before, I don’t Obama for several reasons. I don’t hate the man or wish his ill health or anything like that. Actually he is the American dream. He came from nothing to being the President. I truly believe he is a terrible President and not a leader al all. Leaders don’t spend their time blaming others, they fix things. Now after 2 weeks of saying he can do anything he wants in Syria and doesn’t need the approval of congress, he is trying to set congress for blame in Syria. If they approve and things don’t go as planned, he will blame congress for all the problems. If they don’t approve he will blame congress for all the problems. If they approve and we are successful in Syria, he will tell everyone he alone fixed the problem. How many times did he use “I” after Bin Laden was found and killed? That is an example of bad leadership.

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          61. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Give us some credible commentary about the blame Obama is continually placing on Bush. The operative word is credible, not more ala Howard Dean nonsense.

            Bush is too blame for problem after problem we are still facing. These problems have been institutionalized by a Teatard influenced Congress to this day.

            As far as Obama getting what he wanted the first two years, that is more BS. Democrats were too hesitant to really get what needed to be done. Irregardless of the nonsense your ilk spreads, Democrats have a much broader range of views than Republitards do. They are not only more thoughtful, but see situations more complexly.

            About Syria, you are selling BS lies to the wrong party. If Congress wants to make the decision, then they need to not only make the decision, but take at least the same responsibility for it as the President.

            As for Bin Laden, at least “he” did get him on “his” watch, unlike your incompetent, impotent hero. And he did not go around spewing “mission accomplished” when he hadn’t finished the job. If some Navy Seals have a problem with that it is only because of their own arrogant, self-important, racist ideals. Which those complainers proved they do have. . . .

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          62. idamag September 5, 2013

            Ignorant people do not rely on facts. ifsun probably has no idea what the filibuster is, how it is changed and how many times it has been used by the present Congress. 416 times versus 29 times in history. When it was started , you had to stand up and tell why a bill should not be passed. The idea was to talk until the deadline was missed and then table it. Now, under the present Republicans, he stands up and says “no.” and leaves to go home for his four-day weekend.

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          63. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            For the life of me, I cannot understand how this was ever allowed to come to pass. Like McConnell . . . he even filibustered himself and had the nerve to think he could hide it. And almost did. Which is even scary in itself that we may soon not even know what is going on at all.

            Of course, with this gang of morons in Congress, nothing is going on that is worth knowing about.

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          64. judi September 4, 2013

            FOX WANTS YOU BACK

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          65. ralphkr September 4, 2013

            Really, itsfun, Obama is a socialist??? That is hilarious since Obama is actually somewhat right of center in the US political spectrum and I feel that in his second term he has become much farther right and is acting like a full blown conservative. Of course, itsfun, you appear to belong to the segment of conservatives such as my neighbors who considered Eisenhower a communist henchman and Goldwater a pinko.

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          66. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

            “I think”. “I feel”. There’s your problem. You’re trying to employ two things that are entirely foreign to your being.
            And if Bush was responsible for the problems five years ago it stands to reason that he is still responsible for them today and will be into the future. Think about it. Adam and Eve were responsible for original sin when they committed it. They are still responsible. Length of time doesn’t nullify responsibility here in the real world.

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          67. itsfun September 5, 2013

            Sooo; using your logic God must be responsible for all the bad in this world. After all he created the world.

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          68. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

            God created everything. So the answer would be yes.

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          69. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Really, that is blasphemy, though I could not really care less.

            God blamed Adam and Eve. That is why he expelled them from Eden, and why religious bigots think they can still belittle women, and their wants, needs, and rights. After all, every evil in the world is traced back to Eve, a “mere” woman.

            So, I really do believe that, if religious nuts are correct, God is responsible. He created EVERYTHING, so he is responsible, right? Yet, the only bit of “logic” that your post contains is just five little letters: l – o -g – i – c. Otherwise, you got this completely wrong.

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          70. BillP September 5, 2013

            Do you have anyhow that the IPAB is a death panel as you call it? So now you,admit that Dean never mentioned death panels in his oped piece in the WSJ, the only one saying that was Sean Hanatty in his,interview with Sarah the great. You do know that calling President Obama a socialist doesn’t make home one,as for the ACA how is it competing with private insurance companies? I will still send my premium checks to my insurer not the gov’t. You make a huge leap to gov’t run car or home businesses without (again) any proof. If Obama is such a socialist and hellbent on gov’t takeover of businesses then why is the stock market doing so well (please don’t use the lame quantitative easement argument)?

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          71. Bill September 6, 2013

            Insurance Companies have no problem when average people go bankrupt because of them so why should that bother me. I’ve had private insurance but now I’m in the VA system (Government run) and its the best thing out there. They take care of all your problems, they never tell you no we won’t cover that. By the way the only dictators out there belong to the GOP so what does that make an asshole like you?

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          72. itsfun September 6, 2013

            I don’t have anything against you getting help from the VA.. Its good you are happy with them. Tell me why I should be happy to have the government ruling my health care though. I don’t want the government deciding what kind of care and how much care I can get. I want the government out of my life and leave my health insurance alone. If you like the VA care or Obamacare, that’s fine. I don’t want it, so why so I be forced to have it. I call that living under a dictator. So if wanting to take care of myself and not having the government take care of me, makes me a asshole, so be it.

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          73. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 6, 2013

            You say you don’t want the government deciding how much and what kind of healthcare you get. But what do you think that your private insurance company is doing? EXACTLY THAT! The big difference is that the ACA provides MORE coverage for LESS money than private insurers. The feds are at least allowing the private companies to continue insuring the public; they are simply not allowing them to continue to make obscene profits on minimal service. You remind me of the tea party hack screaming “keep your government hands off my social security”.

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          74. itsfun September 6, 2013

            I can fire my private insurance company and get another one. I can’t fire the government.

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          75. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 7, 2013

            You can vote, either with your ballot or your feet. If you don’t like the way the present government operates, vote for someone you think will better represent your interests. Failing that, you can move to someplace that you like better.

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          76. Bill September 7, 2013

            You can keep the health care you have now so what are you crying about? The trouble is you are so afraid someone might benefit from ACA that you want to deny them coverage which makes you a selfish asshole!

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          77. itsfun September 7, 2013

            Bill: I can’t keep my healthcare I have. My current company is moving out of my state because of Obamacare. I don’t care what others do or have. I just want to keep what I have. If that makes someone selfish, than I am selfish.

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          78. 4sanity4all September 6, 2013

            “I feel, I think….” Okay, now please gets some actual facts, and don’t tell us about what you think or feel. Your thinking and feelings are impaired by your lack of facts, and your reliance on sources that make stuff up.

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          79. itsfun September 6, 2013

            Aww gee; Am I to believe opinions are not allowed here.

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        2. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

          Just amazing how a racist can try to disguise his continued blind unreasonable rage by claiming it is just dislike. If Obama could procure world peace and could sh*t a gold brick, just for you, you would still find a problem with him. It ain’t natural dude. . . .

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        3. judi September 4, 2013

          Oh hell yes….let’s ALL go read Breitbart!!!!!!!

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          1. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 5, 2013

            Now there’s a real unbiased source!

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          2. itsfun September 5, 2013

            Good idea, try getting different opinions for a change. The you may be able to make a more educated argument.

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        4. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

          It’s true bullpuckey can exist and thrive in a vacuum. As evidenced by the space between your ears.

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          1. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            🙂

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        5. idamag September 5, 2013

          Breitbart? Why don’t you run on over to that hate blog and stay there. You will be patted on the back for the most hateful thing you can think of. That site fits you.

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          1. itsfun September 5, 2013

            I try to read as many different views as I can. I read the National Memo. I do watch FOX. I also watch MSNBC. Most of the sites do have a lot of hate on both sides. I watch ABC also. Seems like the best answers are usually somewhere in the middle of the different views.

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          2. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            Then why did you say, “GOP good, Obama bad”? Why do you attack Obama on the first post that you make? Why have you been saying and doing the exact same thing since you first arrived on the National Memo blogs? You should start a training course entitled, “Practical Racism in Action.”

            You exhibit the exact behavior that I have been warning people about for years. Pure right-wing BS, through and through, but you try to lull people to sleep with your talk of open-mindedness. You might rarely vote for a single Democrat, but I bet your “best, open-minded political candidates, all have a “R” in front of their party name.

            Your mob’s entire campaign is about confusing the issues and depressing people so they will not pursue their own interests. That way you win. This has been the Republicon way of doing things. Now that people are catching on, you have to resort to gerrymandering and nullification of people’s voting rights.

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          3. itsfun September 5, 2013

            The reason I said Obama bad GOP good was a tongue in cheek response.

            What is kinda neat thought is that Republicans say the very same thing about Democrats. Am I to believe you are saying the Republicans changed the voting act; I thought it was the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court was that easy for Republicans, there would be no Obamacare.

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          4. Russell Byrd September 5, 2013

            No it wasn’t shitsfun. I got the context exactly right. You were tongue in cheek only to the extent you were trying to confound another poster with the FALSE truth of your position.

            If you were tongue in cheek, you prove all my points anyway. You only came here to disrupt and spread LIES. Everything you say would then be “tongue in cheek.” Did you ever think of how you keep discrediting yourself with LIES on top of LIES, with more LIES to explain and excuse those LIES. No, you don’t think, do you.

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          5. itsfun September 5, 2013

            I didn’t know you are a mind reader too. I have not lied about anything. Just because you don’t believe me doesn’t make me or anyone else a liar. I am starting to believe that you are a really poor excuse for a human being. You accused me of never working a day in my life. That is a lie. I I would be surprised if you work though, seeing as how you are on this site all times of the day and night.

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          6. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 6, 2013

            That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. That’s pretty much how I take everything that you post. You’re statements or arguments are not worthy of rebuttal.

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          7. itsfun September 6, 2013

            I couldn’t care less about what you think, or do. You mean nothing to me.

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          8. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 7, 2013

            That’s good, because I don’t exist.

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        6. dmcrane September 6, 2013

          I’d give that 2 thumbs down for using “Breitbart”

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          1. itsfun September 6, 2013

            Breitbard is no different than the National Memo. Only difference is one is liberal and the other is conservative. Both need to be read, than the truth is probable somewhere in the middle.

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    3. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

      You already know. It tastes just like every other ass you have ever had your tongue into.

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      1. DurdyDawg September 4, 2013

        I wonder if he’s crying in his ‘diet’ beer about now.. ‘Noids like that are superficial to say the least.. He’s probably been banned even from the personal liberty digest for being too crass, came here because we’re the only one’s who tolerate gas bags like him then as predicted, the meat sack indulges in trying to alienate himself from this forum.. Maybe he needs a good knot hole to hump.

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        1. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

          Yeah, I especially like the bit about the knot hole. I wonder if we could arrange a rat trap surprise. Might make for a record breaking orgasm. 🙂

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    4. ralphkr September 4, 2013

      Well, itsfun, I do not know how Bill feels about death panels but I certainly take exception to your characterization of the historical system. I do not know exactly when death panels were started but I do know that they were in effect in the early 1950s when the town I lived in had their group health insurance cancelled in mid-season because a police captain’s son needed extremely expensive surgery that required bringing a surgeon over from France.

      I had a personal experience with a death panel in 1998 when a gentlemen who was introduced to me as being my mother’s doctor spent a long time convincing me to pull the plug on her. Much later I found out that he had nothing to do with treating my mother but was an employee of her supplemental insurance company and his full time job was getting terminal patients off the company books.

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      1. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

        I hope he burns in an appropriately deep area of Hell. . . .

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      2. Bill September 7, 2013

        I feel the same as you about death panels if I understand post correctly. Death panels are alive and well in America, they are called insurance companies.

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    5. idamag September 5, 2013

      A death panel is when a person’s insurance was capped and exhausted, he could no longer get healthcare. A death panel is the woman, who appeared on PBS to tell her story. She had terminal cancer. Her insurance was capped out and dropped her. Now, she had a pre-existing condition. A death panel is someone not getting enough to eat because they can’t afford their healthcare bills and food, also. A death panel is a person with a debilitating illness getting laid off from his or her job and thus losing her employer insurance. They cannot get other insurance because they are pre-existing. And when the elderly lose their Medicare, that will be a death panel.

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      1. itsfun September 5, 2013

        None of what you said should have ever happened. That is the place for the government to help people. There should be plans to help those that run out of insurance. There should be help for those that have pre-existing conditions and those that lose their jobs. I agree 100% with that. I would hope all people feel that way. I am opposed to destroying private industry. I am opposed to my insurance plan being lessened by the government. I am opposed to my private insurance company leaving my state because of the government exchanges. I agree with helping people that need the help. but leave my insurance plan alone. This has not happened. How can I keep my Humana plan when they have announced they are leaving my state? The President said we would be able to keep our current plans and doctors. In my case this is not going to happen. I am all for helping people, just don’t screw me doing it. I am probably not a lot different than you, I give to charity, just took 4 bags of clothes and housewares to Good Will. I just gave a set of golf clubs to good will. I am sure you do the same type of things. We just disagree on how to fix problems, not on what the problems are.

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        1. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 5, 2013

          I think that you need to read more carefully. You will be able to keep THE EQUIVALENT of your present plan. For all that you profess to cherish private enterprise, how would you feel if the government forced Humana to stay in your state against their will? Do you think that would be right? Would that conform to the principle of free enterprise?

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          1. itsfun September 5, 2013

            Humana is leaving my state because of the government. Government should not be in competition with private industry ever. This is just part of the government plan to bankrupt private insurance, so they can have a single payer system. I heard the President say we would be able to keep our current plan and doctor, not an equivalent of my doctor. It would never be right for the government to order a company to stay in a state. That would not be free enterprise, it would be dictatorship. By the way, have you seen how many states the cost of insurance will go up in?

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          2. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 6, 2013

            Your last question is meaningless. There are many variables that have to be considered before any meaningful cost analysis can be done. What are your parameters? Family size? Income? Level of coverage? Without context, you beg the question.

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          3. itsfun September 6, 2013

            I am saying the government should not be in competition with private industry. The government has the resources to bankrupt any private business, then they can charge anything they want. Insurance companies should be allowed to compete across state lines. This would raise the level of competition between companies and should help to lower rates. When the government says to them you can only compete in California with other California companies, you are guaranteeing high rates. If the companies could compete from all the states for business in California, the rates would go down.

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  5. jointerjohn September 4, 2013

    Republicans are scared to death of the full implementation of the Affordable Care Act because once it is in full effect Americans are going to love it. It will reduce costs for all of us across the board. Those assholes would rather we all pay more so that they can be right on an issue. They would rather pick your pocket than admit to being wrong, the very definition of an arrogant disconnected party that cares more about their image than real results. Pricks.

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    1. Russell Byrd September 4, 2013

      They would rather people die or live in misery to prove a (false) point. They all seem to some degree to be sadists that enjoy the pain of others.

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      1. marelbert September 4, 2013

        They all say that they are Christians!

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        1. TheSkalawag929 September 5, 2013

          They say a lot of things. Most of them aren’t true.

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        2. 1standlastword September 6, 2013

          I saw a bumper sticker that said “your behavior is more important than what you believe” Amen to that!

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    2. disqus_LcxpBv2uzz September 5, 2013

      The giant insurance companies will take it in the shorts with the implementation of ACA, so naturally, they are pulling out all the stops in order to scuttle it before it gets off the ground. They are becoming more and more desperate because they know that once the ACA has been up and running for a while, the American people will really like it. One problem has been that the Obama administration has not marketed the ACA effectively, hence all of the opposition’s disinformation. I’m glad to see Clinton providing explanation, he’ll do a good job. This effort should have come a lot sooner but better late than never.

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      1. idamag September 5, 2013

        You do have a point. It should be marketed.

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  6. LotusJoan September 4, 2013

    Right now we are spending billions on
    the poor and un insured because our priority is medical crisis management
    rather than preventive care. The ACA goes a long way to reprioritizing
    our healthcare. Those people who are against it have few facts and no alternatives.

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  7. Mark Forsyth September 5, 2013

    One good way for the ACA to fail would be lack of participation.The gop t party has been targeting younger people with negative messages regarding the ACA.The younger folks need to know how it will work for them because they are unconvinced while they are bombarded with false information, resulting in resistance and lack of support for the program.

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  8. Sue Copening September 5, 2013

    Here’s something to consider… Politicians have been TALKING about health care for over 40 years… while the current system got worse, and worse. The ACA is based, about 90% on GOP ideas, and was put together after lengthy bi-partisan hearings and committees. It might not be perfect… but what legislation is? At least something FINALLY got done. Any problems discovered down the road can be tackled, one a time. There is always “tweaking” that happens to any product, or plan. I cringe though, when I hear people spouting obvious lies… that they were tricked into believing. If you haven’t actually read the act, or done the research (Google anyone?), then it’s best to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

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    1. DurdyDawg September 5, 2013

      Indeed Sue.. But you can’t just go to any web site as most have interjected their own beliefs into it, no.. what you must do is go to the .gov web sites, you know.. where the actual policy is that all of congress has to refer to.. It’s the only way to find exactly what it’s all about but brain dead zombies only have one directive.. Eat the living.

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  9. dmcrane September 6, 2013

    This is not perfect, but it is better than what we have had. Like Social Security and Medicare, this will get tweaked over the years to become even better … and once people realize how much better it is to have regular health care like every other civilized nation in the world, I believe it will morph, over time, into Universal Healthcare. I am happy that many people who don’t have coverage will be able to get it. The costs are still going up, but at a slower rate than they have been, and the states who have put out their health exchange rates have already seen competition lowering rates because companies don’t want to price themselves out of the market. The rates for many people have come down, or gone up less than expected, because the insurance companies have to refund money if they don’t spend at least 80% of the premiums on medical care. Not rocket science. Seniors have saved billions already by the start of closing the RX donut hole, which will gradually be fully phased out. People on their employers plans are saving money because they now have no co-pay for yearly physicals, mammograms, prostate exams, pap smears, flu shots. People with cancer are not being kicked off their insurance or maxing out their coverage. You may not like that you have to subsidize that, but you will love it if you ever get cancer. Children under 19 with birth defects or pre-existing conditions currently can’t be denied coverage (or charged more for it) and after the plan goes into full effect in January 2014 all people will be covered for pre-existing conditions. Medicare has been extended by 9 years and will be extended more when the plan goes fully into effect. Perfect? No, but that’s no reason to let perfect be the enemy of the good.

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