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At First Debate Democrats Clash (Gently) Over Who Can Be The Most Pragmatic Progressive

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At First Debate Democrats Clash (Gently) Over Who Can Be The Most Pragmatic Progressive

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Yes, the first Democratic debate was “boring.” And that’s not a bad thing.

When nobody on stage rejects utterly the basic tenets of civil political discourse in favor of lewd potshots, when nobody on stage thinks the country should be a Christian theocracy, and when nobody on stage thinks shutting down the government is actually a credible option… things are likely to turn boring.

Absent were the frenzied swipes at liberals, immigrants, and science, as well as the carnivalesque antics that have become familiar hallmarks of the GOP debates. Even when the Democratic candidates disagreed, their first debate was largely an appeal to pragmatism, conciliation, and — for the most part — unapologetically progressive principles.

Martin O’Malley perhaps said it best when he reminded viewers that despite any internal disagreement among the candidates onstage, the real opposition was with the dozen-plus Republicans angling for their party’s nomination. “On this stage, you didn’t hear anyone denigrate women,” he said at the debate’s closing. “You didn’t hear anyone make racist comments about new American immigrants. You didn’t hear anyone speak ill of another American because of their religious belief.”

Anyone who tuned in hoping to see a reality-show smackdown was likely disappointed, as the five candidates spent more time concurring, congratulating, backing each other up, and thanking each other than in any previous debate this cycle.

What little drama there was derived from candidates sparring with the moderators and each other on exactly when and how and whether they had shifted their views on certain issues. The frontrunner Hillary Clinton, in particular, was taken to task for the perception that has altered her political stances based on what is most expedient.

Everyone on stage has changed a position or two, she said. She had “absorbed new information,” which was reflected in her changing opinions, but maintained that she had been “very consistent” and rooted in the same values throughout her career. (Exactly what “new information,” specifically, she had learned to change her stance on social issues, such as marriage equality, she did not say.)

Mostly, the debate was a suite of agreement on a broad range of topics, including income inequality, regulation of the finance industry, criminal justice reform, climate change, gun control, China, and the Middle East. The candidates took turns nitpicking each other’s records and their precise shifts and disagreements on points of policy, and moderator Anderson Cooper was often mindful to demand straight answers and curb candidates’ grandstanding arias.

The five candidates vying for the Democratic nomination — former Secretary of State Clinton, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, former Maryland governor O’Malley, former U.S. senator Jim Webb from Virginia, and former Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chafee — met for their first primary debate Tuesday night at the Wynn Las Vegas Resort. The debate, which aired on CNN, was moderated by Cooper, with assists from Dana Bash, Don Lemon, and Juan Carlos Lopez.

Compared to the congested, chaotic Republican field, the five-person race is positively minute, and there’s no way around it: The race is really between Sanders and Clinton, with the other three men each polling at less than 1 percent going into the debate.

O’Malley, who has seen his potential as an underdog candidate curdle in the months since he announced his campaign, tried to harness both the populism of Sanders and the pragmatism of Clinton. For the former governor and former Baltimore mayor, it was a do or die moment, and he had clearly decided it was better to do.

O’Malley took aim early and loudly at Sanders for his record on guns, accusing the independent senator from Vermont of distorting the issue by characterizing clashes over gun control as falling along an urban/rural fault line.

Clinton also accused Sanders of being too lax on gun control, mentioning that he had voted five times against the Brady Bill, and accusing him of wanting to grant immunity to the gun industry — the only industry in America, she said, which is not held accountable. (Sanders took care to mention that he had a D-minus rating from the NRA.)


Sanders responded that the job of the president would be to bring people together around common sense gun legislation and that all the shouting in the world would not effect change — certainly not in a divided Congress, in which, he noted, O’Malley had never held office.

Reciting his now-familiar points — paid family leave and maternity leave, free in-state college tuition, sweeping overhaul of banking regulation and campaign finance, raging against a “rigged economy” and the oligarchy of the one-percent — Sanders was passionate, but not aggressive with the other candidates.

He even came to Clinton’s aid by vociferously denouncing the political agenda of congressional investigations into the 2012 attack on the American embassy in Benghazi, which Republican House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy recently suggested on Fox News had been drummed up specifically to hurt her poll numbers.

He conceded that is may not have been “great politics” to jump to her defense, but the country was “sick and tired” of hearing about Clinton’s “damn emails,” and the media and politicians should turn to more pressing concerns — like economic reform.

When taking an online video question — “Do Black lives matter or do all lives matter?” — a point on which Sanders has previously fumbled, he was absolutely unequivocal: “Black lives matter,” he said.

“And the reason,” he continued, “those words matter is the African-American community knows that on any given day, some innocent person like Sandra Bland can get into a car, and then three days later she’s going to end up dead in jail, or their kids are going to get shot. We need to combat institutional racism from top to bottom, and we need major, major reforms in a broken criminal justice system.”

But when Clinton was challenged on her 2003 vote to go to war in Iraq  — which she has admitted was a mistake — Sanders reminded voters that he had been in possession of all the same information that Clinton had, and he had voted against the war and made prescient predictions about the destabilization that would occur in the region following a U.S.-led invasion.

Lincoln Chafee, the former Rhode Island governor and U.S. Senator, was challenged on his shift from Republican to independent to Democratic candidate. He described himself as a “block of granite,” who had not changed his position on the issues.

“The party left me,” he said. There was no room, he said, for a “liberal moderate Republican.”

But Chafee resembled nothing so sedimentary during the debate, coming across as flustered, diffident, and out of his depth. He more than once mentioned as a main qualification that he had incurred no scandals — a fairly obvious jab at the Clintons.

(When asked if she wanted to respond to Chafee’s remarks at one point, Clinton said simply: “No.”)

Chafee told Cooper that he was “being a little rough” when questioning the former U.S. Senator’s voting record. Asked specifically about his 1999 vote to repeal Glass-Steagall Act, a piece of landmark banking regulation from the Great Depression, Chafee cited a litany of excuses for his decision: “It was my first vote,” he said. “I had just arrived. My dad had died in office.”  

The notion of being left behind by one’s party is something with which Jim Webb might have sympathized. Questioned on his relatively conservative stances on issues like coal energy and Affirmative Action, Webb stated: “I am where the Democratic policy has traditionally been.”

Webb cited his military service in Vietnam and the fact that he came from a family of marines, saying that he was “very comfortable that I am the most qualified to be commander-in-chief.”

For their penultimate remarks, candidates were asked which of their detractors and opponents they were most proud to have as an enemy. Webb’s response: “Probably the enemy soldier that threw a grenade at me — but he’s not around to talk now.”

Ultimately it was Clinton’s show. The candidate whose tenuous status as frontrunner hinges on her success convincing Democratic voters — who may not be charmed or convinced that she fully represents their values — that she possesses both the progressive bona fides and the best chance of any Democrat to beat the GOP nominee in the general election.

“I’m not taking a backseat to anyone on values, principles, and the results that I get,” she said when challenged on her fluctuating political positions.

“I’m a progressive, but I’m a progressive who likes to get things done. And I know how to find common ground. And I know how to stand my ground.”

Photo: Democratic U.S. presidential candidates (L-R) former U.S. Senator Jim Webb, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley and former Governor of Rhode Island Lincoln Chafee pose before the start of the first official Democratic candidates debate of the 2016 presidential campaign in Las Vegas, Nevada October 13, 2015. REUTERS/Lucy Nicholson

Videos: CNN/AFP TV via Tribune Content Agency

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Sam Reisman

Sam Reisman is the former managing editor at The National Memo, where he still writes the weekly "This Week In Crazy" column. His writing has appeared in Flavorpill, The Huffington Post, Columbia Daily Spectator, and Bwog. He was the publisher of the 2010 edition of Inside New York, an annual guidebook to the city for students and young professionals.

Since 2011, he has co-curated and hosted Peculiar Streams, a showcase for NYC-based writers, musicians, comedians, and filmmakers. He is a staff writer at Mediaite, and blogs at SamReisman.com.

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  1. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

    Wow! The contrast between what we all saw last night, and the Republican circus shows we witnessed recently could not be more glaring. No ridiculous faces, gestures, narcissistic claims, dehumanization of people, call for Constitutional Amendments to punish those we dislike, no attacks on women, just a debate on issues relevant and important to most voters.
    Hillary Clinton demonstrated why she is the Democratic front runner. Her understanding of all the issues that were addressed, her ability to articulate her position on every issue, the clarity and assertiveness of her discourse, and her demeanor explain why she is going to win the nomination of her party and be the next President of the United States.
    Bernie Sanders was the soul and heart of the Democratic party. He reminded everyone, including his peers, what was really important…and what was a political charade. He showed political conviction, honesty, and determination. Having said that, he seemed more determined to be a man with a message that should resonate in every household in the country, than a man interested in being our next president.
    Webb ran on his military record. O’Malley was well prepared, and had great moments, but running on the fact that he is a former Mayor of Baltimore is hardly what the electorate is looking for. Chafee should drop out of the race.

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    1. John Murchison October 14, 2015

      Excellent analysis. For me the optics of the whole civilized debate was refreshing. I feel more at ease now knowing democracy isn’t damned to circus like theatre. I also think Hillary stood out well here.

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      1. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

        The fact that Republicans are running around saying how boring this debate was, and lamenting its lack of stardom, highlights how devoid of intellect they are, how dismal their record is, how unprepared they are to tackle important challenges, and their lack of vision, not to mention maturity.
        Hillary was spectacular and, as expected, Bernie was the heart and soul of the party.

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        1. latebloomingrandma October 14, 2015

          It’s funny about lack of a “star”. Eight years ago, Obama was ridiculed for being one. I found the debate anything but boring. But I never have been a reality show fan. That’s all the Republican debates were. No substance whatsoever. No wonder Trump couldn’t keep up. His head would blow up within a week of being POTUS.

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        2. Renellin October 14, 2015

          Dominick, it just happened last night. Everyone that I saw was calling for it to be boring, and the moderators allowed for it, in fact, promising it. They took quite a different tack, both CNN and FOX for the pub debates. Asking people to raise their hands is like elementary school. This is why debates wind up being useless. Why not use a format where each candidate gets five minutes to state their position? Then start the debate.

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          1. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            That would be nice. 90 seconds is not enough time for anyone to articulate a position on any issue. The only thing they can do is touch on the subject matter, without going into great depth. That does not help the candidates or their audience.
            The first thing I saw when I started watching CNN one hour before the debate began was an interview with a Republican strategist who, at the time, was calling Hillary untrustworthy. I don’t recall anything like that before the GOP debates, and I watched both in their entirety.

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          2. Renellin October 14, 2015

            I am so sick of the 24/7 newscycle and all those people who get interviewed, and that whole class. The more famous they get, the farther away from reality/ordinary people they get. Suddenly the only people they talk to are pundits and such, and they don’t even get what’s going on.
            Not to mention those of us who would like some news are stuck with before the show, the show, after the show like it is the superbowl or something.
            I’m afraid Hillary is not at all trustworthy, but it hardly matters what I think because, like the pub above, why listen to me about Hil? Americans seem to be all one or the other on her, depending on what they know or think they know. Bernie, on the other hand, is an interesting character. I enjoy Trump every time I see him, every time they try to nail him again. I am in no way ready to throw my vote to anyone, not for at least six months. Love Carson too.

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          3. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            Our media depends on sensationalism and ratings to exist and prosper. The only Republicans running for the nomination that impress me are Kasich and Rubio. I can’t stand the sight of Trump. He is too arrogant, narcissistic, and immature for me.
            I agree with almost everything Sen. Sanders says. The problem, for me, are his age and the fact that Congress will not fund or support any of the things he is proposing.

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          4. Renellin October 14, 2015

            I love the living crap out of Trump, and I am one of those angry Americans–apparently on both sides. Kasich for me has to come back from the boneheaded idea that taxing people for welfare is some biblical form of charity. That is total BS. No complaints about Rubio, both he and Cruz have a similar feeling to me–very earnest, and we shall see what they come up with. Rand Paul, Carly–they have to convince me yet. NJ dude, and the rest, probably can stuff it, but they are in a n important role right now–keeping the attack dogs too busy to really hone in one just one person.

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          5. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            Congress, as it is today, that is. I think the Dems will have the Senate back after the next election. As for the House… I used to think there is no way it can be retaken because of gerrymandering but damn, this Freedom Caucus business sure is helping our cause.

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          6. plc97477 October 14, 2015

            There is also the fact that he probably won’t win against a sane repug. If he had a chance the repugs would be looking into his scandals.

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          7. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Kasich, nice guy. Leans a little to the Left. Rubio – establishment – Amnesty king. No thanks. We don’t want the same ole same ole. OK comrade, but much of the country is not in agreement with you. Hey…..HE’S A COMMUNIST, Dominick….

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          8. dtgraham October 15, 2015

            I heard Paul Ryan was a communist too. According to Breitbart anyway. That’s quite a leap. You’d think he’d transition for a while and do a Bernie Sanders or something. Nope, just jumped right in. He’s a man of action when he makes up his mind.

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        3. oldtack October 14, 2015

          Well stated Dominick

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      2. joe schmo October 14, 2015

        Where are you coming from? Civilized? Hillary is joined at the hip to the failures of Washington. Bernawitz is a communist and will send us even further into the drink. Who’s going to pay for all those freebies. Again, the middle class. You’ll see!

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        1. edwardw69 October 14, 2015

          Who is going to pay? The leeches in the 1%. The party is over.

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          1. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Except that much of the one% is in Congress.

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          2. edwardw69 October 14, 2015

            I don’t care where they are.
            But just out of curiosity, how many members of Congress are multi-billionaires?

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          3. Renellin October 14, 2015

            More than half are at least millionaires. Next, check their net worth before reaching Congress.

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          4. edwardw69 October 14, 2015

            There are no millionaires in the top 1%. In fact, I doubt if there are millionaires in the top 10%.
            In the immortal words of Bunker Hunt: “Senator, a billion dollars just ain’t what it use to be.”
            And that goes double for a million dollars.

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          5. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            They are bought and sold by special interests and lobbyists…..

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          6. oldtack October 14, 2015

            Go to Google and type in your requested information query and it will give you this information.

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          7. edwardw69 October 14, 2015

            The answer is NONE. The richest is McCall (R-Texas).
            About $330 million.

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          8. oldtack October 14, 2015

            Thanks for the information

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          9. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Peloser is right in there, buddy!!!!

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          10. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            …and you are complaining about corporations…. LOL

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          11. midway54 October 14, 2015

            And in what proportion in party are they?

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          12. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            One percent of the U.S. population is over 3 million people….

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        2. oldtack October 14, 2015

          What a joke

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        3. latebloomingrandma October 14, 2015

          A communist who is inordinately concerned about the state of our democracy. Study the definitions. You are quite mixed up.

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          1. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Study the definitions? A socialist or a communist means, in practical terms, to replace the one % with government officials (often the same thing) who will themselves be in control of the means of production, including labor, which further means, especially with the kind of corruption we have come to expect from the likes of Hitlery, that all of her ‘friends’ will be sitting pretty, and everyone she doesn’t like can die, get beat, put in prison, or whatever they can find to simulate siberia. Loyalty and success at whatever mission is ordered will determine the fate of anyone but that ruling class. Please, read your history.

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          2. latebloomingrandma October 14, 2015

            In regards to Sen. Sanders, I should have had the word communist in quotation marks, to denote the attempt at sarcasm. Though the right wing likes to equate the two, socialism is NOT communism. Socialism is not a form of government,it’s an economic system. Communism is a form of government that is totalitarian, brutal and bears no similarity to democracy, which Sanders is passionate about, or he would not be constantly talking about the people and our rights

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          3. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            late:
            Have this bridge in Brooklyn.
            Cheap.

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          4. latebloomingrandma October 15, 2015

            You and schmo have such intelligent responses. (NOT)!!! Hmmm—now I sound like I’m back in junior high with the Republican presidential candidate s. I can see how easy it is to get sucked into the mindless rhetoric.

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          5. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            In your case, as progressives = one and the same. Yah, right. Try to wish it away but it won’t leave:) Yah, your sides rights? What about ours. I guess we are no longer relevant.

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          6. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            You are absolutely right:)

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          7. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Yada, yada, yada. You all know there is something dreadfully wrong with this country, but you refuse to acknowledge that it was your party who started the ball rolling and it was the Republican RINO’s who helped spur it on.

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        4. oldtack October 14, 2015

          Where is your DOCUMENTED evidence that Bernie Sanders is a Communist? Do you have documented evidence to this or is it simply allegation?

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          1. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Dude, you need to read about what he proposes. Trump came right out today and stated he was . We conservatives all say it. Believe me. I know communism. My father escaped from it.

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    2. joe schmo October 14, 2015

      Difference between same ole same ole communist agenda vs angry freedom loving Americans.

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      1. oldtack October 14, 2015

        COMMUNISTS LED BY A MUSLIM ?
        Boy – that is quite an oxymoron.
        I suggest you consider changing your em address from joe schmo to
        joke schmoke head. That is a much more appropriate handle for for someone limited to one liners.

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        1. Renellin October 14, 2015

          How interesting. Russia seems pretty chummy with Syria, doesn’t he? And the Germans got along quite well with the Muslims for their joint venture in eliminating the Jews. What is so unthinkable about that?

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          1. stcroixcarp October 14, 2015

            The Nazi Germans were NOT communists. You need to read some solid history

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          2. edwardw69 October 14, 2015

            And Russia is not a communist state, either.

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          3. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Not anymore. They are much more Nationalist. Like we USED to be.

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          4. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            The communists were the first target of the Third Reich.

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          5. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            No, the over liberal government was. You need to do your history Dominick. Yes, the communists were there right along with the Nazi’s but the Germans did not want to become communist. Kind of sounds familiar.

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          6. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Are we going back to Socialism then?

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          7. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            No, Nazi’s were nationalists. The Weimar Republic which came before the Nazi’s was extremely liberal and socialistic. It caused grave problems for the Germans. Enter Hitler, a terrible tyrant, who gave the German’s more hope than they had ever seen. Goes to show you that the over liberal regime resulted in something worse than anyone could ever imagine.

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          8. oldtack October 14, 2015

            There is a big difference between having a Muslim as a President (leader) over Communist followers and a Muslim having diplomatic relations with a Communist or vice versa . Was there indeed an alliance between the National Socialists and the Muslim leaders to eliminate the Jews?
            If you have Documented evidence to that statement I ma sure the readers of this forum would love for you to share with them. But, keep in mind – “Statements of fact without Documentation are not worth the paper they are written on nor the time it took to type them on the forum”.

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          9. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            I have heard that Putin does not have a high regard for Jews. That would make Assad and Putin agreeing strange bedfellows. However, elimination is something I don’t think they consider since oil seems to be the driving force initiating the incidents we now see.

            By the way, treaties can be broken. The missile launch! They are meant to be broken. Another, I told you so moment.

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          10. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            Russia had friendly and collaborative relations with Syria for decades. They supported Assad’s Dad, and they continue to do so now. Totalitarianism and human rights abuses have never been an impediment in their decisions.
            I guess your comment about the Germans refer to the Third Reich? Hitler did have many controversial alliances, which I suspect were made to support his global ambitions. Bear in mind that the Jewish State of Israel did not even exist during WWII. Modern day Germany is a model of civility, tolerance, acceptance, and economic success accomplished as a result of their intelligence, commitment, and work ethics.

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          11. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Bullsh*t! You are a liar. I have family there and what you say is utterly ridiculous. The Germans hate everything that is going on.

            Yes, everyone wants to go to Germany because through it all they still have the perseverance to work hard and push through but that is now being hampered by much of what is starting to happen here. Trust me, Merkel WILL be out in the next election. What a pathetic response….

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          12. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Renelin, the Germans are being FORCED to take in all the Muslims. As a matter of fact they are being forced to take in everyone. They are SO angry they are starting to burn the buildings where these immigrants reside. However, the government gives these vagrants everything (Just like they do here) You see they have no weapons to fight off their foes. As a result the flooding continues, the citizens are pi**sed off. A powder keg waiting to go off. By the way, the Germans are not eliminating the Jews. There are strict laws against Germans doing or saying anything contradictory. They could go to prison. Trust me, the HATE the Muslim invasion.

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        2. BillP October 14, 2015

          That’s how I reply to Joe Shmuck. He loves to throw the Communist term around a lot. He also goes for the widely inaccurate terms like “angry freedom loving Americans.” He is referring to the right wing “wrap themselves in the flag” Americans.

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          1. oldtack October 14, 2015

            An apt term for people of his ilk is “paranoid Evangelicals fillled with God intoxicated certitude.

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          2. Renellin October 14, 2015

            I had not noticed him referencing his religion or even announcing that he had one. Is he a friend of yours? Or were you just taking an excuse to profess your bigotry against Christians?

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          3. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            Joe has been in this forum for at least a couple of years. Others have been posting in the NM for 5 or 6 years. We know each other well.

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          4. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            🙂 You know a very kindly mentor of mine introduced me to this site. That person is a proud Progressive. I’m not. Over the years we conservatives have gone from tolerance to intolerance, largely due to our sad situation getting sadder and taunting by liberals. We have gotten so weary of these constant attacks that we are beginning to strike back with our own words. God forbid we do that. Now you people are totally upset with us because we are actually standing up to the bullying that you have been inflicting on us since the Emperor decided to divide us.

            Your site is really peanuts when compared with many conservative sites. Conservatives are on those sites by the droves when you people merely have a handful of individuals responding. Trust me, I have been around the web. I see it. Either, your side is uninformed, doesn’t care, or they are so arrogant as to think they know it all that knowledge regarding the countries state of affairs is beneath them. I personally want to take a stance and I want to know how liberals tick. Many conservatives are like me. In fact, Pew did a survey stating that most conservatives are more intellectual, empathetic and more politically informed than liberals. Now you tell me, why is that?

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          5. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            I have posted on conservative websites a few times. I don’t do it more often because I don’t like name calling, insults, or threats. I have been posting here because I enjoy civil dialogue, and learning from the opinions of others. I don’t have a problem with someone occasionally being overcome by emotion and saying something inappropriate, I do have a problem with those who use it as a norm.
            Considering what we all hear from the far right, including what comes out of the mouth of Republican leaders such as Trump, it takes a lot of nerve to accuse liberals of being intolerant, abusive, or insulting. What exactly do you want us to do? Roll over and take the punishment?

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          6. oldtack October 14, 2015

            “Or were you just taking an excuse to profess your BIGOTRY against Christians?”
            Hmm! I am a son of a Christian Minister. two cousins are Christian Ministers, One brother was a Christian Minister, My son is a Christian Minister and my Grandson is a Christian Minister and I spent two years in the Seminary and worked as a lay Minister. No I don’t fell that I am in the least bit bigoted against Christians or Christianity.

            That phrase is used to describe people afire with ideology that they are certain is absolute truth.

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          7. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            LOL, My grandfather was a Christian Minister. Since I assume you are familiar with the Bible I’m also sure you are familiar with Matthew 24:4-14. Liberals are the antithesis of this portion of the word pertaining to Matthew. They believe they are not decadent when in reality, they are.

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          8. Renellin October 15, 2015

            I would have taken you at your word, rather than the resume that honestly could go either way. Still, I haven’t found where Schmo has said anything to warrant your strange description.

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          9. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Thanks, Renellin:)

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          10. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Of course they hate Christians. They are antieiths. Anti-Gun, Anti-religion, Anti-Constitution, Anti-work, Anti-citizen, Anti-rich, Anti-Americans. In essence, they are the new old form of Marxists.

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          11. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Term for u morons. Utopian minded ‘useful idiots.’ This is SO you.

            The term “useful idiot” is thought to have been coined by communist mass murderer Vladimir Lenin. It describes naive communist sympathizers in the West (liberals). While Lenin and the Soviets held these stupidd liberals in utter contempt, they also saw them as useful tools for dispensing propaganda.

            You will often find useful idiots (aka liberals) lounging about in a Starbucks with friends, discussing the shortcomings of America over a frappuccino. Useful idiots are a mix of urban hipsters, brainwashed college kids, busy bodies, self righteous do-gooders, silver pony-tailed hippies, (now college professors), quirky wannabe-intellectuals, hysterical females, girly-men, and Michael Moore devotees.

            Useful Idiot Liberals aren’t necessarily bad people, and in many cases, are exceptionally warm and kind hearted. Many have high IQ’s and hold advanced degrees. They can hold files full of factoids in their brains, but lack the capacity to weave them together to find a coherent pattern. Though they fancy themselves as “free thinkers”, they are actually the most authority worshipping (politically correct) and servile creatures you will ever meet. When it comes to independent critical thought, they are astonishingly stupid …..and very dangerous! Liberals are “the unwitting hand maidens of the Communists.”

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          12. BillP October 15, 2015

            You are absolutely right. Schmuck replied my comment with a typical right wing statement of “Love it or Leave it”. Schmuck has sunk to that low level.

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          13. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            No, you did that eons ago. We have merely gotten sick of your childish rhetoric.

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          14. BillP October 16, 2015

            You have to stop pretending that you speak for other people. There is no “we” in your comments just you and your usual tripe!

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          15. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Ahhh, I beg to differ. Most conservatives use that term when referring to liberals nowadays. In fact, Trump even stated it when he referenced Bernie Sanders in his speech in Virginia today. ….and God Bless America to you to you moronic globalist. Why not enlist your talents in Europe They could use another sacrificial lamb.. Remember that old saying ‘Love it or leave it.’ Time for you and your buddies to leave with the rest of the illegals and Muslims.. We are no longer buying your bullsh*t.

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        3. joe schmo October 15, 2015

          🙂 Sharia Law and anti-colonialsim combined. Who knew! I dare you to explain. I guess you just don’t get it. You know what they say about skunks right?

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      2. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

        Joe, you should really stop listening to Vladimir, Raul, and the Cubans in Miami. Communism is a defunct ideology that most people reject. The Cold War is over. Welcome to the 21st century.

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        1. Renellin October 14, 2015

          And Socialism? Is that okay with you?

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          1. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            You should really learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialism. They are not even close to being the same thing.

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          2. Renellin October 14, 2015

            What you fail to comprehend (or admit you support) is that you still have somebody in charge, who claims to represent “the people” who take away all rewards for hard work and instead reward only loyalty, who pretend to have a democracy, but he who owns the means of production can very quickly turn to tyranny.

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          3. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            You amuse me. Dance some more. I’ll grab the popcorn and enjoy the show.

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          4. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            POW !!
            Another one !!
            Read (below) Hawaiian’s lame and moronic “answer”.

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          5. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            Yep !
            Hugo Chavez said the same thing.
            The difference between socialism and “democratic” socialism is like the difference between a plain pig and a pig with sexy lipstick on her lips….

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          6. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            Is that you, David Cameron?

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          7. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Why not explain. I happen to know that the the two forms of socialism you mention are the same. My father escaped communism and he says there is NO difference. I know the contrast do you?

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          8. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            Thanks for playing, Joe Schmuck. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Go directly to jail.

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          9. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Typical liberal response. I know when I have won the game. You have no retort:) You are in jail. I get a free pass…..

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          10. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            No, Joe… I just know better than to waste my time on someone like you. I’d get a more intelligent discussion from a literal box of rocks. You’re really only good for entertainment, so you get treated as such. That’s what happens when you run around spewing such stupid drivel. People eventually just stop giving you the time of day or start making fun of your stupidity. I usually opt for the latter. I’m fun like that.

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          11. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            There is a huge difference between Karl Marx Socialist Manifesto and the socio-economic proposals he made, and the benefits of social programs designed to help the elderly, students, and the poor. Nobody is talking about appropriation of properties, nationalization of industry, or turning most private sector jobs into government jobs.
            The best economic model, in my opinion, is the one that exists in most developed nations, including Germany, The Netherlands, the Scandinavian countries, Canada, and other progressive nations.
            Nobody is proposing a transition to Soviet or Chinese socialism/communism. If nothing else, because that ideology and system proved to be a total failure.

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          12. Renellin October 14, 2015

            That would be an improvement, certainly, though I have seen nothing like that anywhere else. One large problem we have is that we are a huge country. Yes, so is Canada, but their population is tiny in comparison. Trying to put anything in place across the board is expensive and unlikely to be effective. I would recommend “charter States” , where a few States try a solution, and tries to iron out the kinks. Different areas of the country have quite different cultures, and the rural/urban differences are huge.

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          13. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            Geography and demography are irrelevant when it comes to our ability to fund social programs that would help most Americans. What is important is our GDP, which is second to none, our budget allocations, our debt, and our willingness to pay for the things we need and benefit from.

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          14. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            You mean the social programs that pay for all the illegals with little regard for the citizens or the veterans. Where the citizens don’t have the jobs and are becoming poorer. GDP was at 0%. I’m not sure where you are getting your figures. 1 million out of work. Your man is lying to you again and what about that debt, huh? It’s HUGE. Why don’t you tell me how we are going to resolve that? Dude, it’s getting more and more expensive out there. If the dollar keeps devaluating and if Russian and China decide to not use our precious buck, we’re toast. Won’t you be surprised then. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

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          15. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Seriously, why not let America go back to her roots and be America. It was fine the way it was….

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          16. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Dominick my uninformed friend, you wouldn’t understand communist socialism if it hit you in the a**.

            Have you noticed Europe lately? Catastrophe! No thanks, don’t want to end up like them politically or otherwise. May I remind you I have family there.

            No the GOP wants jobs to come back here and they also want companies who outsource to pay a tariff for goods brought back into the country. They want lower taxes and less regulations to bring them home so that the 1 million out of jobs can start working again.

            By the way, Russia and China are now reversing roles with us. They are become more National and we are becoming more communist. Pleeeaaassseee, spare me the agony.

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          17. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            Western Europe has the highest standard of living, and the best quality of life, in the world. Don’t let beautiful Greece confuse you. Take a close look at how people live in Scandinavian countries, in Germany, Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, France and other European countries before you refer to those societies as evidence of an economic or social catastrophe. Better yet, consider a long vacation in those countries to see it first hand, rather than through the narrow and selective prism of FOX.
            Russia has embraced capitalist principles since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and China is communist in name only when it comes to their economy. Referring to the USA as a country heading to socialism, or communism, because we introduced a healthcare system designed to help about 5% of our population, that is run by for profit insurance companies, or because people like Sen. Sanders and others are trying to find solutions to solve the ever growing financial inequality in the USA, is beyond hyperbole. It is a sign of desperation and refusal to acknowledge that while most of us have no interest in changing our socio-economic system, some are trying to get rid of its rough edges.

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          18. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            POW !!

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          19. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            POW, BANG, BLAST, POOF. What’s the point? Geez!

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          20. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            The point was NOT to offend/rile you in any way; it was to describe, in a humorous way, the (literal) beating (a la Batman & Robin) taken by Dominick from you and from Renellin.
            I apologize if you felt slighted.

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          21. latebloomingrandma October 15, 2015

            You must have watched a lot of the old Batman TV show. Zap!!!

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          22. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            There is always a danger with most socialism in it going too far. The form of socialism that existed during JFK’s time leaned in both directions and was much more conducive to American ideals, whereas; our modern version leans closer to what we have been fighting for decades.

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        2. joe schmo October 15, 2015

          Well, apparently, you are going back in time. I do know that progressive socialism is NO different than the old communism we all loved to hate. By the way, in case you didn’t now it Putin is a nationalist like we USED to be. Can’t say that for you ninnies. Cuba….not exactly in the same boat.

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    3. Renellin October 14, 2015

      Wow. You should be working for Clinton. You would do a better job of cleaning her up than her current staff. Ridiculous faces? gestures? dehumanization? attacks on women? Were you watching cartoons, or reading the moderator’s questions?

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      1. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

        Nope. I just remember the Apprentice’s immature behavior, the goose step discipline of his peers, and the emptiness of their discourse. I am just too old to waste my time watching narcissistic, arrogant, bullies. Objective thinking, potential solutions to the challenges we face, and adult discourse is much more appealing to me than what passes for statesmanship in the rarefied Republican world.

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        1. Renellin October 14, 2015

          I guess you’ve got me. I couldn’t manage to watch any of them, seeing only the clips on tv or in print later. I hate the whole debate format. It hardly gives a candidate a chance to say who they are. For Bernie: I would guess we all are tired of hearing about Hitlery’s emails, but what she appears to have done is criminal and corrupt, and then, of course, the lies that come from it. I would be cool with the FBI doing their investigation before more reporting comes out though.

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          1. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            Using a private server and a personal e-mail account for official government business was ill advised, but it was not criminal at the time she did it. The law signed by President Obama requiring the use of government servers and .gov accounts was written and signed after Hillary left office. The same goes for the content of her e-mails. She did not receive or send classified information. Some of the material she handled was re-classified after the “scandal” became public. She did use poor judgment, however.

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          2. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            If Hillary showed poor judgement, then so did Powell and Rice. They used private emails too. The one and only reason this is a “scandal” is because the GOP made it into one to tear her down.

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          3. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            They did as well, and so do all the members of Congress that send e-mails via public mediums or text information to their friends and relatives every single day.
            Hillary showed poor judgment because after all the attacks that her and Bill have endured since they entered the national stage, she should have known better. The e-mail “scandal” is a fabricated scandal carried out for political reasons. Kevin McCarthy acknowledged as much. The same goes for Benghazi. The funny part is that the latter serves as a reminder of the disastrous foreign policy and the large number of terrorist attacks carried out when George W. Bush was President and CiC. The again, had he been asked, he would have probably not said that the attacks against U.S. diplomatic facilities during his tenure were terrorist acts Vs terrorist attacks. In the subliminal world of Republican fantasy, that makes a huge difference and warrants spending millions of dollars and wasting time on investigations designed to hang a man the GOP hates, rather than trying to figure out how to reduce the probability of recurrences.

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          4. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            When everyone else is doing something that’s not even technically wrong in the first place but she’s the one who should have known better… I’m actually somewhat at a loss for words to how I want to describe that. What I will say is that I think most people feel the same way Bernie does about it. We’re tired of hearing about her damned emails. I think at this point in the game, people who hate Hillary have already decided to hate Hillary. Nothing about emails is going to change that one way or the other.

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          5. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            I am as tired and disgusted of all these witch haunts as everyone else. Like you said, those who hate Hillary will not vote for her, and those who value her qualifications, record, and vision will vote for her.

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          6. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            As you might have guessed, lol… I am a Bernie fan. I simply don’t trust Hillary. I hated her answer on pot. That was incredibly weak to go the “I guess medical marijuana is okay” route. I didn’t like her softness on the big banks. She tried to talk a good game about holding them responsible but was unwilling to take the necessary steps to prevent them from crashing the economy in the first place. I’d rather stop it from happening than jail those responsible after the fact. Her position on this is no surprise, considering her ties to WS and all the campaign donations she has gotten from the big banks. It makes sense for them. If they can’t get a Republican elected, at least they’ll get a Dem in there who will be soft on them. Her supporting a no fly zone was a huge error. You can’t enforce it without troops on the ground. Needless to say, I have a lot of issues with Hillary.

            It’s all relative though. She’s a shining beacon of hope compared to the poo-flinging troglodytes on the other side. I will absolutely support her if she gets the nom. As long as the primaries are still undecided though, all of my support is going to Bernie.

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          7. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            Hillary and Bill are both center right on economic and fiscal issues. Yes, she is being too careful when she articulates her position on social matters.

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          8. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            Yet, the right thinks Hillary and Bill are both left wing extremists. The reason being, of course, that these lunatics have gone so far right that even the center looks far away to them.

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          9. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            Have you noticed that when it is convenient for them to make a point they claim that Hillary and Bill are in the pockets of Wall Street? Talking about instant metamorphosis…

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          10. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            It’s not like any of this has to make sense. Obama is a socialist, a Muslim and a communist and none of those things jive with each other lol

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          11. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            His detractors don’t understand that, and those who do don’t care. The goal is to destroy him, destroy his legacy, and project a semblance of wrongdoing that is nothing more than a smoke screen to deflect attention from Republican failures.

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          12. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            BTW, did you read that article I linked you to?

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          13. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            No. I signed up and enter the website, had to leave to do yard work (my riding mower broke), and when I came back I forgot and deleted a bunch of e-mails, including the one with the website address. See Hillary is not the only one that deletes e-mails, and probably not the last one either.

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          14. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            I tried logging on to The Nation magazine, but have been unable to read the article. I keep getting requests to subscribe (I did) and donations. I’ll keep trying.
            In spite of my professional experiences, I still come from the world of manual typewriters, carbon paper, and the revolutionary WiteOut. I have one heck of a time accessing some websites.

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          15. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            Hmm. That’s odd. I didn’t have to sign into anything to read the article.

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          16. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            It is probably something I did, or was supposed to do and didn’t. In any case, I subscribed, but did not donate.

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          17. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            It’s an excellent piece on why the GOP is imploding today and how it found itself in this position. It all started with Nixon’s Southern Strategy. It was the marriage of the super conservatives from the South with the “country club Republicans”. What we’re seeing now is the natural conclusion of that unholy alliance.

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          18. Dominick Vila October 15, 2015

            That makes sense. Southern Democrats switched parties in drove after LBJ “betrayed” them. We are now confronting a combination of bigots, pseudo Christian evangelicals, people who fear any kind of change and are afraid of anyone who does not look or sound like them, and an elite determined to squeeze every dime out of our pockets for as long as they can get away with it.
            The problem for them is that most mainstream Americans are not like them, and that more and more Americans are waking up to the shenanigans the GOP depends on for their political survival.

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          19. BillP October 14, 2015

            Can you trolls stop with the juvenile name calling, her name is Hillary. She was the 1st lady, Senator from New York and Sec of State. Show her some respect. Calling her Hitlerly and President Obama “Obumo or other varying names shows an immature mind.

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          20. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Bill, I am not a troll. In fact, this is my first day on this site, and I was actually rather liking it. I may disagree with many things you say, but I do believe Americans have a lot more in common than party affiliation, and I also think our best paths for the future is finding our common grounds if we want to get things done. Hitlery is Hitlery and always will be to me, sorry. BO is usually the way I refer to the president. I understand the respect thing, but politics has hardened me a bit–once they lose my respect they have to earn it back. Neither of those you mention have done so.
            Speaking of juveniles, though, someone several hours ago called me a whole bunch of names, repeatedly. I hope you were quick to correct him too.

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          21. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            POW !! POW!!
            Another victim, this BillP.
            Knock-out.

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          22. BillP October 15, 2015

            When you resort to calling people juvenile names like Hitlery you are most definitely a troll. Calling the president BO is another example of juvenile thinking. When I write about a Republican politician I refer to them by their name. As for name calling if you write like a troll you are a troll. We can differ on issues but writing disrespectful names for Hillary and President Barack Hussein Obama is nothing but immature bs.

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          23. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            Obama Bin Laden the Kenyan Muslim Socialist Communist America-hating Anti-Christ and his minion of evil Hildabeast! Muahahahaha!

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          24. BillP October 15, 2015

            Just another example of troll juvenile babble. Laughing at your own rants is a sign of a very weak and immature mind.

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          25. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            Pull the stick out of your rear and learn how to laugh. Life is more fun that way. Hahaha! See? That’s me laughing at you. And it was fun!

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          26. BillP October 16, 2015

            Oh such intelligent humor, can you show me more of this? I can hardly wait for your Hahaha. It has me rolling on the floor or should I write ROFLMAO

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          27. @HawaiianTater October 16, 2015

            Hardy har har. Oh ye of little faith.

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          28. BillP October 19, 2015

            Ye has plenty of faith, I just don’t have patience for the trolls who think they are being creative or showing intelligence by calling the president some dumb name.

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          29. @HawaiianTater October 19, 2015

            It was a joke, Bill. I was mocking the people who call the president some dumb name. Lighten up.

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          30. BillP October 20, 2015

            Tater I wasn’t going back after you, I have read many of your quotes and knew you weren’t a troll. I only replied to a troll’s calling Hillary “Hitlery”, I have read too many comments that used some immature and uncreative naming.

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          31. @HawaiianTater October 20, 2015

            Yeah, I generally don’t engage with the trolls. Any attempt at intelligent conversation with them is a waste of time. They do have a use, however. I will mock them endlessly for my own entertainment. Good times.

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          32. BillP October 20, 2015

            I try to avoid replying to them too but sometimes just can’t let the comment go. By the way I have a polectomy scheduled for tomorrow!

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          33. @HawaiianTater October 20, 2015

            What is a polectomy? Is that a procedure to remove the pole from your arse? lol

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          34. BillP October 20, 2015

            Ye is correct and has a sense of humor!

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          35. @HawaiianTater October 20, 2015

            If I didn’t have a sense of humor, conservatives would have driven me insane already.

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        2. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

          Have you noticed that Webb and Chafee are what the Republican party used to look like? Oh how I long for those days. It wasn’t all that long ago either.

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          1. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            All we need now is Olympia Snowe entering the race as a Democrat!
            Yes, I remember those days well. In fact, I use to vote for Rep. Connie Morella (R-MD) every time she ran for re-election when I lived and worked in Maryland. The days of moderate Republicans willing to seek compromise are history.

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          2. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            I can envision a scenario where we see a complete implosion of the GOP after next year’s election. All the signs are there. If 2016 goes as badly for them as I think it might, there is a chance we might get that moderate Republican party back. If they continue going to the right, they will lose all viability as a national party. They’ll have to come back to the center if they ever want a chance at the WH again.

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          3. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            I agree. I suspect the GOP establishment is well aware of the dangers of catering to the far right, and nominating a charlatan like Donald Trump. It seems as if they just don’t know how to turn things around. Their decision to satisfy the wishes of the most radical among us ignore the fact that they are a minority, and that most Americans are neither radicals nor political zealots.

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          4. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            This is a very insightful article on why the GOP is in the position it is in today. Give it a read and let me know what you think. http://www.thenation.com/article/why-todays-gop-crackup-is-the-final-unraveling-of-nixons-southern-strategy/

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          5. paulyz October 15, 2015

            And why they are going NOWHERE in the complete Leftist New Democrat Socialist Party. Thanks for making that clear.

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          6. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            C’mon, Pauly. You shouldn’t need me to tell you that Webb and Chafee are going nowhere. Even a blind squirrel on Mars knows that already.

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    4. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

      What the media says and what the people say about who won this debate are entirely different. You see these articles pop up and of course on the TV, you get the gushing over Hillary. Yet, every single debate poll that I came across, including the one on CNN’s own FB page, had Bernie winning in a landslide. I respect your opinion but you’re flat out wrong if you think Bernie is only in it to push his message. He’s in it to win it and has been running a winning campaign so far. He’s getting enough donations to be competitive. He’s expanding his elections teams beyond just Iowa and NH. He’s already outpolling Hillary in both of those first two primary states, BTW. And now with this debate, more people nationwide are starting to find out who Bernie Sanders is. According to Google trends, more people were searching for him after the debate than any of the other 4. The more people find out who he is, the more his poll numbers rise. I am very interested in seeing what those poll numbers start looking like over the next couple of weeks, now that he has been in his first nationally televised debate. Hillary may still be the front runner now but Bernie has done nothing but gain on her since this all started. Do not underestimate Bernie.

      Even Drudge had him winning in a landslide! http://www.drudgereport.com/now.htm

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      1. edwardw69 October 14, 2015

        I have never contributed to a political campaign in my life–until this year. I have been sending Senator Sanders $35 a month and just sent this month’s contribution, today.

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        1. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

          Mark Ruffalo is a big Bernie Sanders fan and was live tweeting the debate last night. He retweeted a number of people who said the same thing you just did. Never donated before Bernie. That’s how he is going to win; by getting people involved in the political process. I’m not anti-Hillary but she just does not generate excitement the way Bernie does. America is feeling the Bern.

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          1. Polana October 14, 2015

            Money should not decide who wins or lose. If you want money to win then Bush the 3rd is your man. He has collected more than U made in your lifetime. Your piddly $$$ don’t matter vs millions. If I give U a million for your campaign then and U win I want my money back and more, That’s how it works. Did not work w/Romney because of the 47% comment otherwise people would vote for him and we ALL middle class would be in the hole by now. Take money out of politics- periods.
            Why the political campaigns or politics get continue to get uglier, dirtier every year?? The experience and excitement of voting has turned into a depressing, fruitless search for actual facts about each candidate.
            Especially the Republican, they spent so much time slamming their opponents and their view that I didn’t learn anything about what they stand for or even what they accomplished so far.
            All I hear is TV commercials with sound bites, emails (how did they get mine – no clue), mailers with ridiculous head pictures, silly comments and going back as Roman Empire (LOL).
            Why do we settle for slanderous campaigns?? I find it insulting to my intelligence that these candidates think I will make my decision to vote for them based on these slanderous, lies, distortions of the facts/truth??
            We are voting for a leader. A Leader is meant to empower, inspire, to be competent, honest, transparent and lead by example. My grandchildren behave better than these people on a stage and claim to be the better than the other.
            It got to the point that I am less concerned about what they stand for but I am more concern about their character and integrity. When they show me that they have character, integrity and be a grown up, can run a positive, clean campaign get my vote/support, otherwise they ALL belong to Hall of Shame.
            “I hope I shall possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man” G. Washington
            At least on this democratic debate was about some substance and issues that affects all of us.
            No mud throwing.

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          2. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

            LOL wut? You sure you’re responding to the right person here? I’m a Bernie supporter.

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          3. Polana October 14, 2015

            The darn scripting, misseds letters, goes to wrong columns.
            It wasn’t for your post it was for general. OOOps!?LOL

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          4. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            Polana:
            Dominick says he is worried about Bernie’s age.
            We are worried about yours.
            Take a vacation.

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          5. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            LOL gotcha.

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          6. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            Booooooooo! Comrade, North Korea is waiting for you.

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          7. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            Of course, you ninnie. Because the more free stuff “Bernie” promises the more useful yidiots’ votes he gets.
            Bernie, let’s increase the Federal Minimum Wage to $56 per hour !!
            Now THAT will work towards completely eliminating poverty in this country of ours !!
            Let’s make EVERYBODY (and his brother !) equally RICH !!!
            Hip pip, HOORAY !!!
            Long live “democratic” socialism !!
            Down with the greedy, self-serving capitalists!!
            TAX them to death!!
            Everybody should be equal, exactly equal !!
            Way to go, Hawaiian Tooter !!

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          8. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            Ha, ha, haa!
            The video of your stupid persona munching on pop-corn-shaped cocaine drops has been used before by you ninnie (with NOBODY reacting !!) and is already dated.
            It’s “your stupidity…”, and not “your stupid…”, you mmmoron.
            At the very least, learn English, you little POS.

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          9. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            Is that all you’ve got??
            Your cartoons and your whole demeanor are so EFFEMINATE.
            Go and tie yourself to some railroad tracks (during rush hour….)

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          10. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            It’s called drunken stupor, Tooter.
            Get a life, you lazy bum with not a trace of dignity.

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          11. @HawaiianTater October 19, 2015

            Don’t you know about the bird? Everybody knows that the bird is the word!

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          12. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            Girlie, girlie, girlie …..

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          13. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            Yeah, for you it’s Boys ! Boys !! Boys !!!

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        2. paulyz October 15, 2015

          Good for you, you are getting good practice in wealth redistribution. Maybe you figure you will be getting something back from his Socialism if he were elected. Don’t count on it.

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      2. Renellin October 14, 2015

        I don’t support him, but I sincerely hope he can continue to articulate his message clearly, and wins your party’s nomination.

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      3. 1standlastword October 14, 2015

        I was watching Hillary nodding her head like a woodpecker pecking out a song standing there next to Sanders as he hammered out his agenda for working and middle class America.

        All the while, I was think…America isn’t ready for Bernie…I’m for him and so many others are but America is for who the media wants America to be for…it’s really that simple.

        Hillary is going to inherit Bernie’ funding he will endorse her and that is what I think is going to happen; provided there aren’t any REAL skeletons in her closet.

        But here’s the problem America is going to encounter: republicans are stay stuck in NO/ Obstruct mode with Hillary! When the question was asked: “Who is your worse enemy”–she responded correctly…”republicans”

        A Hillary administration will falter for two reasons: 1. Democratic voters don’t vote during off elections and 2. republicans who operated in “instinct” only vote in mass during off year elections.

        I would give her “one” term because I believe that would be all the country could take of the party of No and Obstruction with their undying determination to slaughter Americans for their ideology

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      4. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

        I don’t have any problem with Sen. Sanders qualifications, record, or vision. In fact, I think he is outstanding. What worries me is his age. I noticed a couple of lapses last night that tell me that age is starting to take its toll on him. If he wins the nomination he will be 76 when he is Inaugurated. The last thing we need is a President beset by the effects of advanced age.

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        1. @HawaiianTater October 14, 2015

          Do you have any idea what kind of grueling schedule he has put in the past few months? I’m only 36 and I would have dropped dead already. Hillary is just kinda coasting through all of this while Bernie is out there pounding out rally after rally, day after day. I know. I watch most of the big ones online. The rally in Tucson was super fun. They even had a mariachi band! Don’t forget, he still has a day job too. Point being, that dude’s a spry 74. I’ve been following him since before he announced his campaign. Health was one of the things he considered before announcing. He did all the checkups and wouldn’t have run if there were any concerns. If you saw any “lapses”, it wasn’t due to advanced age. No offense but are you sure it wasn’t a little subconscious ageism? I’m not trying to jump down your throat. If his age is a problem, it would be because a lot of people might have similar concerns as you; that he is just too old for the job. I don’t think it would be a problem with his health; mental or physical or otherwise. Plus, you have to consider, people are living a lot longer these days. 74 of today isn’t what 74 of yesteryear meant. Hell, Jebya doesn’t even want people to retire until they’re 70.

          Note: He’d be 75 when inaugurated. He just turned 74 a month ago. Not that one year makes a difference lol

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          1. joe schmo October 15, 2015

            You’re 36 and would have dropped dead already? Wow! I’m twice your age. I work two jobs and go to grad school. I work seven days a week because I have a thesis to finish. Handout nation….. No kidding! I seem to be running circles around you. Geezus!

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          2. @HawaiianTater October 15, 2015

            Some people are a legend in their own time. You’re a legend in your own mind.

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          3. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            “@HawaiianTater”:
            My friend, you are wrong, yet again.
            joe schmo just told you
            useless/lazy vvvagrant that he doesn’t need to work but CHOOSES to work 2
            jobs and go to graduate school at the same time. Your automatic/mmmoronic answer was that he is a
            legend in his “own mind”.
            On the (completely) opposite side of the
            “bravery scale” from joe stands @Hawaiian Tater, a young (36 yrs old)
            guy who, because he has the time to sit at his computer all day (writing
            all variations of bbull$$shit), is most probably on some kind of social
            “benefit” program and collecting unemployment insurance.
            What a uuuseless Pparasite you are.
            You are the LEAST qualified to tell joe schmo that he is a legend only “in his own mind”.
            Listen, you krazy, lazy bbbastard, joe schmo is running 5,000,000 circles around you and your GGIRLIE persona.
            Go fly a kite.
            P.S. – Isn’t precisely that what you do every day of your wworthless, lazy, existence??

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          4. @HawaiianTater October 19, 2015

            Aww, how cute. The troglodyte is trying to make words! Keep it up little guy! ABC! It’s easy as 123!

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          5. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

            @Hawaiian Tooter:
            Get a job, you wwworthless POS.
            STOP living from the public dole, you penniless vagabond.
            I repeat: “joe schmo is running 5,000,000 circles around you and your GGIRLIE persona.”
            You are pathetic.

            Reply
  2. FireBaron October 14, 2015

    This is what happens when the adults get together to have a debate.

    Reply
    1. joe schmo October 14, 2015

      Yawnfest and MORE freebies!

      Reply
  3. Dell Martin October 14, 2015

    I think the next President Hillary Clinton will do what Obama did and appoint her worthy opponent to an important cabinet post.

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  4. FT66 October 14, 2015

    It was quite a debate that sane folks who want to know on issues and where candidates stand were enlightened. Not like the previous one where candidates were asked to raise hands if they will go for a third party. You never start anything important with a Pledge if it is not an OATH.

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    1. joe schmo October 14, 2015

      Gently? Well, Romney gently debated the Muslim in office and look where that got him. More free handouts folks. Yes and WHO DO YOU SUPPOSE IS GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THOSE free handouts!

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      1. johninPCFL October 14, 2015

        The free handouts to the corporations and the 1%? Well, you do since you voted them in.

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      2. FT66 October 14, 2015

        Please stop it. There is no free handouts. Give them jobs and watch if they can’t work.

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        1. Renellin October 14, 2015

          Wait, now, “give” them jobs? Isn’t that just another form of a free handout? If they get handed a job, they know they can’t be fired unless the govt is willing to put them back on the teat. It happens more than you think. You don’t take stimulus money to make up jobs so people can be handed them.

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          1. RED October 14, 2015

            You’re a complete moron!! The Con sickness makes the ignorant just alarmingly stupid. So who gives you your free hand-outs? Your employer? So you’re taking money from your employer, free hand outs? Oh wait, I forgot the Con sickness makes you think that only your own work has value and every else’s work is a “free hand out.” And as you’ve proven the Con sickness makes you so stupid, ignorant, and amazingly selfish that you don;t want to pay for anything. Stop using our roads,our police, our fire departments, our courts, you moron. We’re tired of you taking free hand outs. And quit taking other people’s money, from your job, your social security, or whatever Americans’s money you are taking from other people.

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          2. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Wow. Elegant. Of course, you make no sense. Free college? Housing? Transportation? Phones? I get nor ask for any of these things. I said nothing of the sort about other peoples’ work products. I pay for everything I do, full price,as well as my taxes. Since when is my road your road, or the police that may someday serve and protect me your police? Gosh you are foul, aren’t you?

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          3. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            Don’t mind RED. He is as dumb as a box of nails.
            (RED is the epitome of the Useful Idiot !!)

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          4. paulyz October 15, 2015

            Exactly. When Clinton finally didn’t veto after the 3rd. time, welfare, we have a huge class of people used to government dependency, many that are poor employees. They know that if they get fired, they will just be given another job, but they expect $15 per hour to be a useless employee. Like Gov. Walker said in WI., “We create good jobs; for those that (want) them.”

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      3. oldtack October 14, 2015

        THE MUSLIM IN OFFICE
        Supply all of your research and PROOF Smhomokehead. PROOF – not news media BS or innuendo and assertions

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      4. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

        I agree. We should stop all the subsidies to oil companies, coal companies, wealthy farmers, and the tax deductions and loopholes that allow multi-millionaires to pay less, proportionately, than their secretaries do. Yes, the handouts the Federal government has been giving to those who don’t need our help must come to an end. The sooner the better.

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        1. Renellin October 14, 2015

          The flat tax or the fair tax (without exempting anyone) would take care of that nicely.

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          1. stcroixcarp October 14, 2015

            The flat tax is hardly flat and certainly not fair.

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          2. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Please continue.

            Reply
          3. Insinnergy October 14, 2015

            Try educating yourself first. We’re not going to do it for you.
            Flat taxes are “equal” they are not “fair”. Look it up.

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          4. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            Another idiot.

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          5. Renellin October 15, 2015

            So now equal isn’t fair. No surprise. If everyone pays an equal percentage of earnings, how is it not fair?

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          6. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            Renellin:
            She can’t.

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      5. Renellin October 14, 2015

        They said they were going to take the money from the 1%. That will last one year or less. They can confiscate money all they want, but the rich will simply move elsewhere. Even if they stayed, after the first year they would be eligible for the freebies everyone else got at their expense.

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        1. stcroixcarp October 14, 2015

          If the rich move elsewhere, at least they can then be banned from buying our elections.

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          1. edwardw69 October 14, 2015

            I don’t picture the Kock brothers moving to another country.
            Any of the mega rich who would hide their money elsewhere are already hiding it elsewhere, and not as successfully as they use to be able to.

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          2. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Of course, that Clinton Crime Family Foundation might come under scrutiny as well.

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          3. Jmz Nesky October 14, 2015

            You pick on one family when all of us can see when someone gets into politics eventually they become rich.. We know political appointments can make you wealthy but not within one term.. The Clintons’ may be criminals I don’t know, I’ve never been that close to them to determine that personally but in the day people said the same thing about the Kennedy’s but nothing said about the Bushs’ or the Rayguns’, in fact no conservative has ever brought up the word ‘criminal’ within their own club and when one was accused, he denied it, the pubs denied it and the cons denied it yet in the end, he proved it. My point? It’s old hat trying to accuse one political family of being crooks when it abounds within the political circle.. Why we tolerate it is because the one’s who accuse refuse to accept that their leaders are just the same.thus both parties delude themselves that its their opponents fault.

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          4. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            POW !!
            ANOTHER one who got “floored” by your left hook !!
            Another knock out.

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          5. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Good point!! Is it really a good strategy to force out people with lots of money while simultaneously importing millions of low skilled people without any money?

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          6. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            POW !!!
            Knock out.

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          7. 1standlastword October 14, 2015

            But then they wouldn’t have the US armed forces to protect their pansy asses!!!

            The IRS is not going after capital flight as hard as they should.

            Listen to this podcast:

            http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/10/08/tax-haven-tax-reform-cayman-islands-ireland

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        2. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

          Nobody said anything about appropriating the properties of the wealthy or confiscating their financial assets. What is being proposed is to tax the super rich at a higher rate, eliminate tax loopholes that benefit the wealthy, and stop subsidies to people and institutions that don’t need public sector handouts to profit. I realize that stopping the redistribution of wealth from the public to the private sector is tantamount to sacrilege for most Republicans, and that any attempt to help the middle class and the poor is evidence of socialism for you guys, but believe it or not, more and more Americans are waking up to the fact that we have been getting a rotten deal from the elite, that the tax breaks that we give to corporations don’t translate to job creation in the USA, and that trickle down economics is a chimera or a con job to distract us from the outsourcing of jobs, heavy investments abroad, and the growing financial inequality that is destroying the American middle class.

          Reply
          1. Renellin October 14, 2015

            The higher rate being something like 90%? But how are you going to have the government (the ‘people’) own the means to production if you don’t take it away from those who own it?
            I agree with everything you said starting with Americans are waking up. I’m not a republican, by the way. I see the establishment pubs as part of the same group of thieves and destroyers that dominate the dems in Congress. Term limits!! No more life jobs in Congress! No more retirements and cushy benies that they continue to vote themselves in.

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          2. Dominick Vila October 14, 2015

            A 90% tax rate would destroy our industry, our economy, and our way of life. Even the tax rate that existed in the Eisenhower era would be too high and counter productive. A modest tax rate increase, and steps to eliminate tax loopholes, and unnecessary subsidies, would be enough to raise enough revenue to cover government outlays. I would also go after those who use foreign tax shelters to avoid paying Uncle Sam their fair share.

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          3. 788eddie October 14, 2015

            Renellin, do you understand the concept of “marginal tax rate?

            we don’t pay any tax on the first little bit of income we make. Then, If you make more than that, you get hit with a low tax rate. That first little bit is still not taxed; only the amount over that first little bit. Asyou climb up the economic ladder, the tax rate on the next chunk of income is taxed at a higher rate until you get to the highest rate; currently 39%. That first little bit is still not taxed.

            During the Eisenhower years, the highest tax rate was over 90%, but you had to have an income over two and a half million to get that rate. Someone who made one hundred dollars over two and a half million paid ninety dollars on that last one hundred dollars. BUT, their overall tax rate (adding up all of the rates for those lesser amounts) was just over 50%. Back then (in the 1950s), most of those making the obscene sum of over two and a half million didn;t have the nerve to complain; they just enjoyed the massive amounts they had.

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          4. Renellin October 14, 2015

            What I get the concept of, is when half the country is paying no income tax, they don’t give a hoot if taxes are raised or lowered. At least for the poor receiving benefits, I would like them to get a statement outlining the value of what they received for the year. It’s easy to forget the free heat, electricity, child care, rent, etc., when you are always scraping to get by.
            I am all for working on something that will stop all the money going into these obscenely wealthy people, but giving it to the government just means more wasteful spending, and more government people being rich or living as if they were.

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          5. 788eddie October 14, 2015

            Maybe those who don’t pay taxes pay no tax because they are earning too little; that is that they earn below the threshold to pay any income tax. That is the same rate you, by the way, also pay on that first amount of income you make: zero. You make more than that threshold, so therefore you are hit with first the lowest tax rate, and then as you earn more, the next higher tax rate and so forth.
            As my tax accountant reminded me, I’m sure you wouldn’t want to swap places with any of those on the bottom end who do not pay any income tax.

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          6. 788eddie October 14, 2015

            Another issue is those who are wealthy, and manage to use our tax code to escape paying their fair share, leaving us to pick up the slack. Loopholes, offshore investing and other discounts like these are unfair and need to be eliminated in any move toward a more equitable tax system.

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          7. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

            Renellin:
            Excellent. Could not have said it better myself.

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          8. Willy Healer October 15, 2015

            We need to ask EW her opinion. Then stand back armed with plenty of toilet paper.

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          9. Jmz Nesky October 14, 2015

            You’re 90% statement is ludicrous even to those below middle class.. When someone wins the lottery the g’ment takes 35% of those winnings, no deductions, no loop holes, no deferments.. 35% period. The workers also pay a solid % in their taxes and from it can deduct for dependents that they actually have, no loopholes and of course because some make below the median livable wage they do receive an entitlement but the majority don’t.. This is what we pay this is what the wealthy should pay..not 12% .not 90% but what the workers pay.. Being ridiculous with 90% only opens the door to loopholes and padding, hell if I were rich I’d do the same thing but their not being taxed 90%.. they pay in (on average) less than 20% and that’s being ‘conservative’ on their actual contribution..

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          10. Polana October 14, 2015

            Term limits??/ The vote will terminate the candidate. We don’t need stinkin term limits. Vote on issues not parties and vote them out of the office. It’s that simple. VOTE with brains.

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          11. Willy Healer October 15, 2015

            There is no democratic or Republican party any more. Its now just big government run by lawyers.

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          12. joe schmo October 16, 2015

            Yup! That about sums it up.

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          13. Willy Healer October 15, 2015

            I have read the EPA is behind a lot of the outsourcing. My carpenter likes trickle down. He really likes the 40,000.00 dollars I have paid him in the last eight years. That was for part time work. The elite run the show they always have and always will, that is why they are called the elite.

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        3. 788eddie October 14, 2015

          Oh, yes, and just where are they going to move to; where are they going to get a better deal for their money? More security for themselves and their families?

          How about Afghanistan, or Columbia, or Sierra Leone, just to suggest some juicy possibilities.

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          1. Renellin October 14, 2015

            Even Holland, Ireland, Belgium, San Tropez, there are plenty of places they would be welcome. Silly.

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          2. Jmz Nesky October 14, 2015

            It’s uncanny how some people will carry water for (defend) the wealthy who wouldn’t give them the time of day. And it isn’t ‘freebies’ numb nuts, it’s help to those who need it. Sure, there’s a percentage of fraud among the group but fraud exists in all ventures and it’s the responsibility of the hand that feeds them (g’ment) to weed out the fraudsters, not us.. We pay our taxes, the g’ment decides where it goes, not us and if we did.. if we told the g’ment to kill welfare, kill food stamps what do you think they would use those savings for? To lower the deficit? To offer rebates to all taxpayers? To use it to fix our roads and bridges? Or would they allot even more to our military in order to continue protecting our (their) interests over seas, continue to allot it to big oil, give more incentives to the so-called job makers and allow even more tax breaks for the wealthy.. I pay taxes and I feel proud that a small portion goes to those who need it. My gripe isn’t contributing to the poor, my gripe is those who believe dogs should eat dogs. You wanna get pissed? Demand that the g’mental departments (that we also fund through our taxes) do their jobs and tighten down on the fraud that they otherwise overlook because they haven’t enough funds to keep up with the monitoring because it’s earmarked for the corporations and the rich.

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          3. plc97477 October 14, 2015

            Obama has cracked down on fraud more than any other modern president.

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          4. Jmz Nesky October 14, 2015

            Yet that bit of information is not mentioned nor enough for the ‘report nothing positive Obama’ media and conservative wing-nuts.

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          5. Willy Healer October 15, 2015

            No he has not. He has caused more fraud than any president.

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          6. Edward Carpenter October 14, 2015

            Very well said…

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          7. Willy Healer October 15, 2015

            Yeah! Until Islam takes over.

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          8. joe schmo October 16, 2015

            It already has!

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      6. NC Voter October 14, 2015

        The stupidity of the far right is incredible. It just takes my breath away.

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        1. joe schmo October 15, 2015

          LOL, if anything we have a clue. You collective agents have been noted, we see where you are going with this and WE refuse to be part of it. Like what your lord and master has done for us? Want more of this? No longer want to be American. If you had your way you would sell our souls to the UN globalists. You seem to love Europe so much. Europe is complete chaos. Why not leave and join the Utopian ‘Mecca’ in Europe.

          Reply
      7. Insinnergy October 14, 2015

        Oh.. who? The Mormon who believes in the weirdest form of Christianity? Hope he was wearing his fire-retardant tighty whiteys.

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        1. joe schmo October 15, 2015

          Went over your head, moron! Again, who is going to pay for all those handouts?

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    2. Renellin October 14, 2015

      The moderators for the Republican debate stated ahead of time they wanted to set fire to the candidates and do some rabble rousing, and then they did. For this debate, they claimed they wanted to get serious on the issues.

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  5. paulyz October 14, 2015

    Trying to come across as electable by “being a pragmatic progressive” is exactly what Obama did. They tell the People what sounds reasonable to get elected, but push their non-pragmatic Socialism on the gullible public. Any of the Democrats’ 5 candidates, with the possible exception of Webb, would be a continuation of Obama’s transformation, maybe worse.

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    1. Insinnergy October 14, 2015

      You must mean the socialism of paying government funds to oil companies to drill drill drill… right?
      Or our socialist military?
      Or our socialist highways?
      Idiot.

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      1. joe schmo October 15, 2015

        🙂 Don’t you loonies always have a way of twisting things. We have always provided for our military, our police, our fireman, our infrastructure. It’s always been part of what America is. It is something we feel is necessary as does most of the Western world. (By the way, all those are under attack by the Emperor with the exception of……firemen) He has reduced the military, made a mockery of our protectors, the police, Doesn’t fix our roads or bridges.
        Who’s the idiot collective that doesn’t see the truth? YOU!

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      2. Willy Healer October 15, 2015

        You have no idea what you are talking about as usual.

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    2. joe schmo October 15, 2015

      Paulyz, WORSE….. The big man in the big house plays (the government), while the little man (US) pays for everything and becomes poorer. Is that redistribution or what? Communism to the core:) We all know it. Are they just too stupid to see it?

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  6. _Steve_ October 14, 2015

    Sanders is the only democratic candidate that is honest, forthright and actually has an agenda for improving the quality of life for all Americans. The rest are using political speak.

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  7. Otto Greif October 14, 2015

    It was funny seeing Bernie carry water for the Clintons. He might as well drop out now.

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    1. Renellin October 14, 2015

      I would advise caution, but continue to watch. He may have done more for himself, or he may honestly be trying to improve the country, regardless.

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      1. joe schmo October 14, 2015

        ROTFL… you mean the guy that backed down to the ‘black lives matter’ group. You are truly a ‘useful idiot.’

        The term “useful idiot” is thought to have been coined by communist mass murderer Vladimir Lenin. It describes naive communist sympathizers in the West (liberals). While Lenin and the Soviets held these stupidd liberals in utter contempt, they also saw them as useful tools for dispensing propaganda.

        You will often find useful idiots (aka liberals) lounging about in a Starbucks with friends, discussing the shortcomings of America over a frappuccino. Useful idiots are a mix of urban hipsters, brainwashed college kids, busy bodies, self righteous do-gooders, silver pony-tailed hippies, (now college professors), quirky wannabe-intellectuals, hysterical females, girly-men, and Michael Moore devotees.

        Useful Idiot Liberals aren’t necessarily bad people, and in many cases, are exceptionally warm and kind hearted. Many have high IQ’s and hold advanced degrees. They can hold files full of factoids in their brains, but lack the capacity to weave them together to find a coherent pattern. Though they fancy themselves as “free thinkers”, they are actually the most authority worshipping (politically correct) and servile creatures you will ever meet. When it comes to independent critical thought, they are astonishingly stupid …..and very dangerous! Liberals are “the unwitting hand maidens of the Communists.”

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        1. Louis Allen October 14, 2015

          Hey “Joe”,
          This is just brilliant.
          I would, if I could, give you 25 “thumbs-up”.
          Now just wait for the “usual whor.., I mean suspects” to vomit all over themselves denying everything you say and claiming that “they are not as stupid” as you allege they are.
          “Useful idiots”: They will always be useful, …. because they will always be imbeciles.
          And GULLIBLE.

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  8. paulyz October 15, 2015

    One more time, Sanders lied on income inequality for votes & CNN let him get away with it. Sanders claimed the U.S. has the most income inequality & wealth going to the 1%. The FACTS are, the U.S. is 42nd. in income inequality according to World Bank, & placed 16th. out of 46 nations in wealth by richest 1% of it’s Citizens. His constant attacks on our own Country to get elected, to further transform the U.S. into a Socialist, failed nation, is outrageous, but he has many low-info followers, or government dependent losers that eat it up.

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    1. Louis Allen October 19, 2015

      paulyz:
      You are so correct, but the mmorons on this cesspool of liberal/socialist “thought” are such useful yidiots that they just go along with what their Sanders/Hil-LIAR-y/CNN/MSNBC command them.

      Look at what the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) say about the Socialist-Democrat-Progressive “alliance”:

      Q:
      Aren’t you a party that’s in competition with the
      Democratic Party for votes and support?

      A:
      No, we are not a separate party. Like our friends and allies in
      the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and community organizing
      movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party. We work with those movements to strengthen the party’s left wing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

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