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Food Stamp Cuts Coming For Everyone — Including Nearly A Million Veterans

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Food Stamp Cuts Coming For Everyone — Including Nearly A Million Veterans

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Nearly 48 million families will see a cut in their Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits this Friday, resulting in a reduction of 16 meals a month for a family of three. These cuts to food stamps, as SNAP is more commonly known, are the result of expiring stimulus programs and are likely to be compounded by further cuts in the upcoming federal budget agreement and restrictions being implemented by the states.

“Without the Recovery Act’s boost, SNAP benefits in fiscal year 2014 will average less than $1.40 per person per meal,” the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities’ Dottie Rosenbaum and Brynne Keith-Jennings point out.

The cuts will reduce the budget by $5 billion in 2014, which is less than the estimated $7 billion that taxpayers spend subsidizing the fast-food industry’s low wages.

This cut will affect all SNAP beneficiaries, 87 percent of whom live in households with children, seniors, or people with disabilities, including an estimated 900,000 veterans. More than 80 percent of these Americans are living in poverty.

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“The depth and breadth of the SNAP cuts that take effect in November are unprecedented,” Rosenbaum and Keith-Jennings note. “Past cuts have affected specific states or groups, but they have not affected all participants nor been as large as these cuts.”

Republican arguments against those on food stamps being “takers” dining on lobster at taxpayer expense often miss two crucial facts:  1. The maximum benefit is barely enough to survive and is getting smaller — dropping from $200 per month to $189 on November 1; 2. A recent study showed that the fastest growth of new SNAP beneficiaries is in areas that vote Republican.

The House GOP broke precedent in September and separated food stamps from the rest of the farm bill in order to pass $40 billion in additional cuts to benefits over the next 10 years. Notably, 13 of the 217 congressmembers  who voted for those cuts receive federal farm subsidies from the farm bill that the GOP hasn’t targeted for cuts — nearly all of these 13 Republicans are millionaires.

421 Comments

  1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

    Good! cut those able bodied parasites off of food stamps entirely, like the ones in Detroit who recently had a conniption fit because they were told that if they were able bodied and had been on food stamps longer than 5 years!!! they were going to be cut off. Sorry, 5 years is a long time to be out of work if you are able bodied. That is straight out bummery……. Give more to the ones who need help, like low income individuals , struggling families, the sick and the elderly and veterans, who have earned more than we can ever give them. Thank them for their service and look after their needs better.

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    1. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh October 29, 2013

      Go back to Fox.

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      1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

        I have to keep checking back here . Someday the National Memo will have a story about “what obozo DOES know” although a story like that would very short and more likely it be in the National Enquirer– right after the latest sasquatch sighting story. have a great day. be seein’ ya. 😉

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        1. Budjob October 29, 2013

          Infadelscrewball,Go crawl in bed with one of your republican friends, and let them fuck you in the ass.I would rather give assistance to every fucking wino in this country than ship any more of my comrades off to war.At least the money would stay here! You more ignorant than the back of my balls!!!

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            clearly you are confused . I don’t agree with giving every wino assistance, unless you’re talking about helping them to improve their lives and I don’t agree with shipping any more people off to war. We’re talking about food stamps. Sorry you can’t focus on that, and are making it a democrat/republican thingee.. I still thank you for your service and add that it is too bad so many people put their party first , THAT, sir, is a big problem. As for the money staying here. talk to your wonderful Democrat useful idiot in chief, who is sending billions to countries that hate us and are being armed by obama . They can’t wait to kill some Americans with the very weapons obama is sending them…our tax $$$$. WHAT ABOUT THAT BUDJOB???? it’s a FACT. so tell obama he’s as ignorant as the back of your balls, cause HE ISN’T AWARE OF ANYTHING, is he? have a good day.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

            You must know an awful lot of winos….Maybe a big time tippler yourself? Which accounts for how well you are able to label and identity winos.

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          3. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            YEP, just as I thought crickets and tumbleweeds when asked about obozo and what he knows, and what the hell he is doing sending our taxdollars to those who openly declare that they want to kill us and our allies………i hate the smell of hypocrites in the morning, or any time of day for that matter.

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          4. Mikey7a October 29, 2013

            “have a great day. be seein’ ya. ;-)” Hey OMG! Wow, I thought you were gobbled up by a rampant Gator by now. So glad to see you lurking again, you nutjob, troll, and now sneaky bastige!

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          5. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            a few things, 1. is this the same mikey who complained he cannot work and is struggling to get by with gov’t $$ . You can sure get around a website enough to bash someone you think disagrees with you. Maybe you can get an internet job. lots of people work from home. You seem well able to do that. 2. I am not OMG, you are confused, and/or drunk. maybe you spend less of your foodstamps on champipple. 3. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. and one more thing, have a great day…’

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          6. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            bastige? listen puddin pop, you must be looking for Eleanore , if you don’t know the meaning of the word, look it up on your computer. Back in the day, we would have put food on the table before we would buy a computer……….just sayin

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          7. Mikey7a October 29, 2013

            My computer is over 6 years old. You do the math on when i became disabled. Yes, I share the cost of internet with THREE others, as we 4 cannot afford to live, and exist alone. Once again, you prove my point. You sir, are without an ounce of empathy, nor compassion for your fellow man. Typical Right Wing “Christian” attitude.

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          8. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            BS!, Four people sharing can do alright. I know , i have had plenty of roommates in the past and ate plenty of cheap meals.I hope while you are at your 6 year old computer you can look up how not to label people and paint them all with one brush . You assume everyone who disagrees with you is a typical right wing “Christian” you don’t know me, you have made assumptions and attempt to insult just because you defend party before all else even though you suffer at the hands of the very party you defend. As for myself I will leave the judging of whether someone is “Christian” enough to Jesus. just sayin’

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          9. Mark October 29, 2013

            Guess you’ve forgotten about all the money every Republican President has sent to foreign countries. Didn’t Reagan send money to Nicaragua for rebel arms? Didn’t some of those weapons end up in the U.S? Just asking.

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          10. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            pointing to past idiotic behavior and mistakes to deflect from present idiotic behavior and mistakes does not an argument make! This man who was elected by pointing out the idiotic behavior and policies of past, mostly republican policies , promised to change all that, he instead has put his foot on the accelerator of those policies and yet, the left still defends him. Just sayin’

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          11. Mark October 29, 2013

            I’m sure the right was quite vociferous in opposing W’s policies.

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          12. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            this is deflection again. You can clearly see the right are opposing each other’s policies , can’t you? and you can also see that some dems are opposing obama’s policies. Unfortunately, some of them just see which way the political wind is blowing and set sail in that direction, to protect their own job and power. that goes for left and right.

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          13. Mark October 29, 2013

            Then tell us which of those policies that are being opposed by the two sides of the Republican Party are legitimate. You criticize everything coming from Obama; tell us who in the GOP is right, and who is wrong.

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          14. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            Sorry I wont jump into a trap containing punji sticks in the national memo jungle. You are deflecting again as bob did regarding my comment on food stamps which has been spun into my wanting people to starve and send his buddies off to war – quite obvious , quite Alinskyesque

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          15. Mark October 29, 2013

            Funny how you manage to find excuses not to answer any question that is the least bit uncomfortable for you.

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          16. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            Funny how the initial subject is ignored as soon As someone on here found it uncomfortable . I understand why you don’t want to discuss obamas performance. Comparing it to past presidents performances ,no matter how lousy they were, does not make it better

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          17. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            Let’s see you list one of those idiotic behaviors and mistakes that Reagan and the two Bushes didn’t outdo him by in spades!!!

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          18. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            you can discuss that deflection with Mark. see my post to mark above.. try to stay on topic. you’re trying to deflect away from obozo’s present idiotic behavior, I have already confirmed the right has mucked things up in the past .. i’m talking about NOW, sheesh! focus!!!!!

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        2. Independent1 October 29, 2013

          All of this coming from a GOP (Republican) loving cannibal!! Yep! Here’s another Republican (ObozoMustGo) wanting other Republicans to get deprived of food so many of them can struggle to feed themselves and die earlier than they naturally would have if given help.

          But then, giving help to fellow humans who really need it is totally foreign to the GOP!! They’re all about doing everything they can to let those that already have more wealth than anyone ever should suck up more and more money.

          20 of the 23 states with more than 15% of their people living below the poverty level, hence needing food stamps the most, are you guessed it, REPUBLICAN STATES that voted for Mitt Romney. So when Republicans choose to cut food stamps, they’re virtually, depriving thousands of their own LIFE!!

          And yes, Republican living in Red States do die younger than people living in Blue States; on average 2 years younger, and to the extreme 5 years younger; residence of 4 red states are projected to die at 75, while those in 9 blue states are projected to live until 80.

          And all of this difference is certainly not helped out by Republicans depriving Americans of food and throwing thousands of their residence off of Medicaid’s help with their healthcare – as here in Maine; where our Republican governor chose to lower the maximum tax rate for his rich buddies while at the same time reducing state spending on Medicaid which has left 70,000 Mainers without healthcare.

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            Nice cherrypicking of parts of my post. I say cut off those that are able to work. Do you think 5 years is a long time to give an able bodied person “a hand up”? i also said if the parasites were cut off those that really needed it could get more. like the sick, elderly, working poor and struggling families? you ignored that part. So anything else you have to say is not relevant if you are not going to take into account my entire post. have a good one.

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          2. jmprint October 29, 2013

            How about just cutting the fatty pork, on programs that don’t help human beings, the kind that line the pockets of friends in congress? Why don’t you spend all your negative energy on that. It would make you a productive citizen.

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          3. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            That would be the correct place to start. It’s not just one party. The waste of tax $$ is not a republican/democrat thing. Start now! I agree, And I am a productive citizen – I am glad you didn’t cuss me out before you asked a question, as many do on here, but you didn’t have to imply i was not a productive citizen. There are others on here who are far more negative and vulgar than I am, perhaps you should tell them they should direct it elsewhere as well.

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          4. jmprint October 29, 2013

            Well I can understand how they arrive at the name calling, but I want to see change and it is not for the Birch Society change. President Obama is for all the people that need help. I don’t see or hear anybody on the republican’s side wanting to better life for all just the 1% and that drives me crazy. I don’t like free loaders, I work for every dime I have ever received, but I also see the need for those that can’t. I had a sister in law that was a straight A student, graduated with honors, married her high school sweetheart, he joined the Navy, she became an officer’s wife, and was pregnant every year. Their 3rd child was born with mental illness and couldn’t function without 100% care. My sister-in-law after the 5th baby became what is now called Post Pardome (sp) depressed. The navy gave her shock treatments, turned her into a schizophrenic. She was the most wonderful, kind, person in the world, but when she wasn’t stable she didn’t have control of her life. She became a bag lady for one year, because we couldn’t find her and trust me we looked for her every weekend, we worked in a different city. And what you have to understand is that there are a lot of these people in the street, not because that want to, but because they don’t know any better and cannot. So please let’s all work together and make congress cut on pork that doesn’t benefit the human race.

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          5. Mark October 29, 2013

            You’re forgetting part of the equation. Being able bodied does not equal an automatic job. Where are the jobs? For all the jobs W allowed to be shipped overseas, how many were created to replace them? Remember something else…wages in this country have not kept pace with the cost of living in a very long time. Perhaps these able bodied people you refer to are receiving food stamps because working at McDonalds, Wal-Mart, or some of these other high paying, good benefit jobs is not enough to feed their families? Before passing judgement on people you don’t even know, how about walking a few miles in their shoes.

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        3. Independent1 October 29, 2013

          And exactly what is Obozo supposed to know??
          That he’s cut spending faster than any president since Truman?
          That he’s the smallest spending president since Ike?
          That he followed through on his promise to get us out of Iraq? That by following through with the auto bailout and stimulus that he saved America from the GOP’s 2nd created depression?
          That by cutting the banks out of the student loan program he has made college possible for millions more HS graduates?
          That his administration has brought more crooks to justice and recovered more fraud monies than any previous president (billions more)?
          That his administration has rounded up and deported more troublesome aliens saving billions more going to them than any previous president?
          That unlike all the three lying GOP presidents before him, he hasn’t kept 20-45% of his spending outside of his budgets thereby allowing him to run up trillions in deficit spending?
          That his spending oversight in spending over the past 4 years has resulted in the smallest government spending since Ike?
          That the 5 years of his presidency have been BY FAR the safest for our overseas consulates and embassies with only 2 attacks and 4 people being killed while under Reagan there were 7 attacks with more than 60 being killed; under Bush Sr. there were 12 attacks with 60 more being killed; while under Bush Jr. there were 14 attacks with more than 3,000 being killed including the largest single terrorist attack on the HOMELAND!!
          Tell me ObozoMustGo, did I cover what Obama is supposed to know??? I could go on with positive actions of Obama for pages and pages with BY FAR the most accomplishments of any president except possibly FDR!!!!!!

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            There is so much wrong with your post it’s not even funny. And until you can focus instead of spinning, It’s not worthy of addressing. You don’t even remember who you are talking to. you reply to Infadelicious, then call me ObozoMustGo. It must be crowded in your head where we are all living rent free. what is up with you? If you actually want a reply, focus!!!!! sheesh!

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          2. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            I put too many truths in there did i?? Sorry, I forgot that corrupt folks like yourself consider TRUTH nothing but spin. When it’s lies and distortions that you use as SPIN!!!

            Let’s see you dispute when of my FACTS!!!

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        4. Mark October 29, 2013

          Here’s a question for our resident genius. Since you and the rest of the Obama haters feel it is just fine to insult the freely elected (twice) President of the United States with some extremely crude comments, are those of us who think W was the most astoundingly incompetent elected official ever allowed to do the same? What about any future Republican President (theoretical of course given who’s running the asylum these days.)?

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            Sure– have at it!!!! Have I said that I love everything about Bush or any possible Republican presidential candidate? nope! you won’t find sheeplike defense of any politician from me. I’m focused on the bumbling buffoonery goin on right now. Bash Bush all ya want…..he’s gone…. and so is woodrow wilson and jimmy carter and reagan……….doesn’t matter if i think it’s ok, you all will do it anyway.. doesn’t bother me. The left and our president, elected twice, are still bashing/blaming bush….

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          2. Mark October 29, 2013

            The reason we bash Bush is because he singlehandedly mismanaged the economy over 8 years, leaving Obama to try and revive it. Also remember, while the left proposes, the right opposes, but the right never proposes a single thing which will benefit anyone but the 1%!

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    2. stcroixcarp October 29, 2013

      Who are you? What gives you the moral clarity to make judgments on the worthiness of others to eat? By whose standards do you judge who is “able bodied”?

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

        st.croixcarp…Infa is a Thorazine Shuffler who manages to escape the view of Nurse Ratchett in the mental asylum.

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        1. stcroixcarp October 29, 2013

          Thank you for the tip. That explains everything.

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      2. infadelicious October 29, 2013

        hahahahahahaha. clearly you are not able minded……….. i would give YOU a lifetime food stamp card…. buy yourself something pretty

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

          Infa…No thanks. I am not like you…I don’t sit all day long and get paid by Koch billionaires to be a shill for everything that is wrong with the right wing in this country. Isn’t it time you contradictory, belligerent, anarchists gave it up already? Time for Nurse Ratchett to dispense your Thorazine. You are clearly unhinged. Mental illness today is rampant in red states where petrochemicals damage more brains before birth and causes your kind of unhinged thinking.

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            😉

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

            Since you are one of the biggest helpers and government dependent…Are you so mentally ill that you can’t even come to terms with your own worthlessness? What kind of middle aged has been male sits all day long on a computer trying desperately to prove a negative? A mentally ill middle aged male who sits all day long on a computer. That’s who. Seek help. Your kind can’t be reasoned with. That’s proof enough of mental illness. Mental institutions are full of individuals who can’t be reasoned with.

            I’m guessing the Koch shills must have stooped pretty low scraping up every mentally ill male they can find to do their bidding. It figures. Only mentally ill billionaires like the Kochs would exploit others as mentally ill as themselves. You make NO points. You prove NOTHING and you need professional help for that sociopathy.

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          3. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            Eleanore: I was going to ask what kind of “woman” sits around her computer all day waiting to bash what she thinks are “middle aged, fat gutted, racist, woman hating bull males” ? but I think we are all aware of the answer to that . not sure why you are so bitter……it’s sad really. You should get help for your bull male dominance fantasies and find out the reason you feel so inferior to men. now, go put some more pop tarts in the toaster…..and make some more koolaid

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          4. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

            You can talk about being all day on a computer? How often do you see MY posts as opposed to yours? You are exactly what I said…a worthless, waste of humanity. YOU…not all men. There are good, decent men out there who know what honesty, trust and integrity mean. You don’t. But, we cannot possibly hold those who are seriously mentally ill responsible for their lack of capability to be reasoned with. Now…time for Nurse Ratchett to administer your thorazine. Shuffle off.

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          5. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. nope! not shuffling off no matter how much of a human being repellent you are.. have you been stalking those you perceive to be “bull males” long? it’s really quite creepy… have a nice day puddin pop.

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          6. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

            Of course, you’d have trouble “shuffling” anywhere. Most lard asses do. As for human repellent, you prove you need professional help with every post. When it becomes totally impossible for others to reason with a mental midget like you, it is time for you to admit you are not exactly mentally well put together.

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          7. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 29, 2013

            Kettle meet pot!!!

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          8. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            if you don’t know the meaning of a phrase, ask someone what it means. sheesh! And clearly, I am not the one stalking the resident man repellent…………………..he/she comes after me and it is creepy.

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          9. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 29, 2013

            You are attacking Eleanore saying she is sitting around her computer waiting to attack etc..,. You are sitting around your computer all day waiting to attack women and men who disagree with you. So I do know the meaning, unfortunately you are unable to think beyond name calling, insults etc.

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          10. WhutHeSaid October 29, 2013

            You are like a chronic case of hemorrhoids — unwanted, always a big pain in the ass, and frequently spewing shit.

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    3. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

      Congratulate yourselves my friends…You are now seeing mental illness first hand. McMommy can’t admit her little snookums has a mental problem. If this post isn’t a perfect example of mental illness, what more proof would we need?

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      1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

        hypocrite

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

          A hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another. Sorry..that doesn’t apply to me. I never EVER make idle threats I don’t intend to carry out. You obviously do. You hide behind a computer all day long with nothing else going for you and then expect to project a pathetic oh so knowledgeable front. Hypocrite much?

          It is extremely important for Americans today to not be hoodwinked by the insane who continue to preach, spout, threaten and generally behave as if they are masters of the universe. That one NEVER goes over with me. That kind are all too easily chewed up and spit out.

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            hypocrite and a liar

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

            Ah yes…The mentally ill Infa now thinks he can rely on his usual skewed reasoning by trying desperately to demean everyone who disagrees with this over-bloated, egotistical mentally ill sociopath.

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    4. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 29, 2013

      We keep telling you stop posting pictures of yourself, your mother is embarrassed.

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    5. Bob Loosemore October 29, 2013

      Infa, I can tell from your picture you are a kindly person below the surface, and I am going to invite a honest response to a question or two. Do you not think it is the natural result of the rightist philosophies (that have promoted personal gain way above social awareness) dominating your culture that has given rise to the aggressive behaviour so many of the poor and inadequate? The rich and ‘successful’ have destroyed millions of jobs to maximise profits – profits they avoid paying tax on while resisting all efforts to lift the living standards of millions who are unable or NOT REQUIRED to contribute. Technology means that wealth can be created by fewer people (for now) You seem to begrudge a share of this wealth to people surplus to its production. True?

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    6. WhutHeSaid October 29, 2013

      Please! If I asked you once, I’ve asked you a thousand times — please keep the pictures of your sister and mother to yourself!

      Thank you.

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  2. Budjob October 29, 2013

    The next round of cuts should affect EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THE PARASITES THAT ARE ALLEGEDLY REPRESENTING US!!!What are those lying cheating scumbags going to sacrifice?? This country hopelessly,and irreparably FUCKED UP!!!!!

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    1. Mark October 29, 2013

      The next round of cuts should include cutting “House GOP from our vocabulary.”

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  3. Budjob October 29, 2013

    I volunteered three years of my life defending this countrys so called principles,only to discover much to my disappointment,this country HAS NO GOD DAMN PRINCIPLES!!Please excuse my shouting on this post but,these vets layed their life on the line for these assholes in D.C.!!! And,make no mistake about it,the congressional representatives are ALL ASSHOLES!!! This is what we veterans get for going to war for these bastards.FUCK ALL OF THEM!!

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    1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

      thank you for your service Budjob. The only thing the cowards that are supposed to be representing us will defend is their own cushy jobs. it’s disgusting.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

        Infa…I thought you had an appt. with a shrink…You need to face your own mental probs before you attempt to play shrink and solve others.

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    2. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh October 29, 2013

      Bud, that is because when the Republicans claim they are pro-defense, what they mean to say is they are pro-defense contractors. They have shown over the past decade or so that they care for neither the current active duty military, the reservists and guard, nor veterans. Look at how many of the current Republican Leadership in the House has military experience compared to 30 years ago. The same can be said for Democrats, but at least they have concern for individuals.

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      1. mandinka October 29, 2013

        No Vets are in this predictment because Obama is building Mosques over seas, providing illegals every benefit that US citizens receive

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        1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

          Providing illegals benefits – what a categorical LIE!!! The Obama administration has rounded up and deported more troublesome illegals than any previous president since WWII (over 500,000 of them)- keeping America from spending billions on these illegals.

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        2. Elisabeth Gordon October 30, 2013

          I’m sorry, but some people are really just too stupid to live….back to your bunker there Skippy and this time, PLEASE lock yourself in. Jeez…what a freakin’ moron.

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        3. Soo Brooks October 31, 2013

          stop drinking the kool aid.

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    3. highpckts October 29, 2013

      I hear ya and am so sorry we have these dolts in government!!

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    4. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

      Amen!! And So Did My Husband!! It Nobody But The GOP/Tea Party Draft Dodgers That Is Making It Hard For The VETS!!! 🙁 We The People Should Raise Hell And Have The 24 Billion Dollar Deduced Out Of The GOP/Tea Party Paychecks For The Shutdown Of Our Government!!!

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      1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

        Absolutely, every representative and senator who voted for the legislation that resulted in shutting down the government should have their paychecks held until the 24 billion the shutdown cost the government is repaid in full.

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    5. elw October 29, 2013

      The most ironic thing about their lack of compassion is the biggest users of SNAP are in the Red States. So they are hurting the people who voted for them. They are true assholes.

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      1. Elisabeth Gordon October 30, 2013

        And even more ironic is that the people who voted for them voted AGAINST their own best interests…ya can’t fix stupid

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        1. elw October 30, 2013

          Your right about that. As a Public Health Educator one of the earliest lessons I learned is there is always going to be a percentage of people who will never be willing to change. I stopped worrying about decades ago.

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        2. Soo Brooks October 31, 2013

          and will continue to do so.

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    6. tax payer October 30, 2013

      Others serve decades and they come out with a good Pension.

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  4. Dominick Vila October 29, 2013

    There is something very wrong with those who believe cutting $1.40 per meal for those who cannot find work, or who suffer from physical and mental impairments, is perfectly acceptable because it would reduce spending by $5B, and don’t hesitate to make sure the wealthiest members of our society are not adversely affected by the elimination of loopholes, discontinuance of subsidies, discontinuance of preferential law designed to help those who do not need our help to enjoy the best life has to offer, and who invest much of their wealth overseas to maximize profits and/or hide their fortune from Uncle Sam.

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    1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

      Just one more example of what the GOP has been all about for at least the past 3 decades -ENSURING THE SURVIVAL OF THE FAT CATS!!!

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      1. mandinka October 29, 2013

        as barak and the dems added $10T in new debt in just 5 years

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        1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

          You really are clueless aren’t you. Any bonefide economist will tell you that Obama can only be charged with adding ONE TRILLION to America’s debt level for legislation THAT HE SIGNED. And that One Trillion accomplished more than the 15 trillion that Reagan and the 2 Bushes ran up – Obama’s 1 trillion kept America from falling into the GOP’s second created depression; while the 15 trillion Reagan and the 2 bushes added to the debt basically RAN AMERICA INTO THE DITCH!!!!

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          1. BillP October 30, 2013

            Independent this mandinka is most likely bozo or infadelicious, though they all may be the same person. They use the same facts and style.

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        2. highpckts October 31, 2013

          Oh my God! You are so wrong in so many ways but then you only have one facts source!!

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          1. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            They Come Here To Lie And Start A Bunch Of Mess Just Like Their Party Of Low Life Demons But Funny Thing About Them ( These Lying Trolls Here )Their Not Getting Paid!! LOL

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    2. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

      Hitler did it…Why not the GOP? These good ole bois lap up pork from our federal taxes in amounts no blue liberal states EVER could hope for. The House GOP best enjoy its last days as a majority. They won’t be a majority much longer.

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      1. mandinka October 29, 2013

        You do understand that EVERY child that is born this year in the US has a DEBT of $150,000 thanks to your generosity with other people’s $$. Why not donate some of your OWN money to soup kitchens and food banks

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        1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

          Sorry, nice try but no cigar, Any big debt passed on to our grandkids is courtesy of Reagan and the Two Bushes and are because of debts these 3 turkeys run up on a credit card when they channeled as much as 15 trillion dollars to their rich buddies by passing tax cuts the wealthy that they didn’t need and didn’t deserve, by passing unfunded legislation for industries like Big Pharma to suck excess profits from the elderly and by starting wars or putting troops overseas so their rich buddies in the defense industry could defraud the American taxpayers of trillions of dollars by overcharging for everything associated with supporting our troops overseas – like Haliburton was caught charging $100/gal for gas to fill up jeeps.

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        2. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

          No…What I understand is this…The right wing wants their way…bankrupt everyone not in their 1% by handing them and only them all the perks of citizenship. I do understand that every child born this yea in the US has a debt of $150,000….now..do you want to Mandinkie up as how 2 wars, $350 Billion paid to Halliburton for Iraq and another tens of billions to Blackwater isn’t part of that? Grow the hell up. Your grandkids are paying for red state porkers who live off phony ass SSDI…the red states ALL get more than $1.10 for every dollar they pay into the fed. The blue states get suckered with a lousy 65 cents ROI…tell that to MY grandkids…and stop the deceitful attempts to blame it all on this president. It’s not happening for jealous little Mandinkies who want others to keep feeding that hog they are living so high on.

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    3. mandinka October 29, 2013

      Its time to eliminate those who have no business being on SNAP. Starting with illegals, those who refuse to work and single men and women. If the folks that “can’t find work” need SNAP then they should be required to do community service..they can paint, sweep, pick up papers, empty bed pans etc for their food

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      1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

        You realize nitwit that you’re talking about throwing by and large REPUBLICANS onto the rolls of the hungry, RIGHT?? It’s by far Republicans, thrown out of work and onto welfare by nitwit GOP legislators in RED STATES, that are by far the takers of Food Stamps!!! These REPUBLICANS didn’t ask their state legislators to cut budgets and state services during a recession which pulled the rug out from under them ( cutting budgets is the dumbest thing you can do during a recession, but then GOP legislators are more than stupid as a norm), so why are national Republicans looking to punish the folks that their state counterparts forced onto welfare???? BECAUSE THEY’RE DUMBER THAN DUMB AND HAVE ZERO COMPASSION!!!

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      2. tax payer October 30, 2013

        To them that’s work, so their Advocates will be there saying this isn’t suppose to happen to people that get SNAP.

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      3. Soo Brooks October 31, 2013

        Many of those receiving SNAP benefits are ALREADY working! MAYBE if we had a MINIMUM WAGE high enough to enable people to be self supporting we wouldn’t have as many people on SNAP!

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    4. mandinka October 30, 2013

      BooHoo! I’m tired of hearing vets whine about how bad they have it. They feed off the taxpayers trough, have 3 squares a day and a roof over their heads. WHAT a DEAL!!! The FEDS are the ones who keep our economy going!

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    5. jarradcvh059 October 31, 2013

      my Aunty Lyla just got a
      stunning yellow Mitsubishi Eclipse Convertible by working from a computer. pop
      over to these guys J­a­m­2­0­.­ℂ­o­m

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      1. nirodha October 31, 2013

        You and your Aunty Lyla can kiss my rosy red rectum!

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  5. tax payer October 29, 2013

    They can do without the sodas, pastries, chips, microwave food, so now maybe they’ll concentrate more in preparing good meals for their children. Put some more water into the bean pot and make more rice. That’s what we do and we pay for the rice, and beans and these people should get those two free, but they don’t bother to put these two food sources inside their shopping carts.

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    1. Ruby Ringgold-Bailey October 29, 2013

      And, where will they get the beans that you suggest they add more water, or the beans without jobs or SNAP? And who told you that they did not put these items into their shopping carts? And I, too, am a taxpayer!

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      1. tax payer October 29, 2013

        They will get a cut, so that means they’ll still be getting SNAP, so they can now add beans and rice to their shopping carts. We eat beans and rice, and it’s food too. Tax payer ( congratulations ), so do you also get SNAP?

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        1. stcroixcarp October 29, 2013

          tax payer, your ignorance an lack of compassion astound me! Do you work on it or were you born that way?

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            I have Compassion, when I see someone with both legs and arms missing, and the tax payers are there for these people since I know they’ll never be able to work; so ( yes ) I can have Compassion for those that really need the help.

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          2. highpckts October 29, 2013

            So how do you judge those on welfare? They must be physically, apparent and obvious to you as disabled? So someone with a heart condition or on expensive chemo drugs does not qualify because you can’t see that disability? Wow!!

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      2. awakenaustin October 29, 2013

        He is making this up.
        It is his version of the Cadillac outside the shack with a TV antenna they used to constantly drone on about when I was a teenager living in S. Carolina. It doesn’t exist. It is like the myth of the Conservative who thought of someone other than himself.
        It is actually an inadvertent statement about their view of the world, that they believed a black person could only own a nice car because they were somehow cheating.
        The Grinch has a heart that is two sizes too small. (Apologies to Dr. Suess)

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        1. tax payer October 30, 2013

          I used to go in with my wife, while she did the grocery shopping and I would see all these people getting free food at our expense ( tax payers ). I would see them remove items from the counter because they went over the limit, but once they ( checked-out ) out came the money for cigarettes and beer. Imagine, removing food because they refuse to pay extra, but had enough for beer and cigarettes.

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          1. awakenaustin October 31, 2013

            Since we are doing this on anecdotal evidence. I never did see any of those shacks with the Cadillac in front. I don’t see your scene, when I go shopping for groceries. Therefore, it must not be happening.
            Even if it were true that on some occasion(s), you have seen this, what is your complaint and what is your proposed remedy?
            Because someone games the system we are supposed to dismantle the system. This focus on some poor schmuck buying beer, while ignoring the grand larceny occurring in other parts of the budget. The big sucking noise you hear in the budget is the Department of Defense. Where cost overruns, bad equipment, unfilled orders, overcharges and unnecessary new expenditures go completely without comment. You want to save tax money write your congressman about a little oversight of the Pentagon, not the Veterans Administration, the Pentagon.
            Conservatives are the epitome of “penny wise and pound foolish.”

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          2. tax payer October 31, 2013

            Maybe you must shop in an area that doesn’t have poor people shopping there or you refuse to accept it happens everyday.

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          3. awakenaustin October 31, 2013

            Yeah, you are right. No poor people in Texas.

            I see once again you have failed to address the point.

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    2. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 29, 2013

      Tax payer wasn’t your comments regarding soda, pastries etc. debunked Sunday by the post from kmkirb.

      You know tax payer, if companies paid their employees a living wage people would not have to ask for assistance. Ken Jacobs of the Center for Labor Research and Education at the University of California, Berkeley said: “The combination of low wages, meager benefits and often part-time hours means that many of the families of fast-food workers have to rely on taxpayer-funded safety net programs to make ends meet,” So WE tax payers are subsidizing these companies with their payroll and they continue to rake in millions in profit. Where is your outrage about your tax dollars being used to subsidize McDonalds?

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      1. tax payer October 29, 2013

        Some men earn a good wage, but manage to shack up with a single parent mother ( she needs a man ) and that single parent mother still gets her benefits since his wages aren’t counted in the application for SNAP. This is Fraud since he is living with that woman, but the case workers don’t check who is there since she’s not married anymore.

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        1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 29, 2013

          Does you low opinion of women extend to your mother and wife? You are ignoring the fact that your tax dollars are used to subsidize the payroll of large corporations who are not paying a living wage, but make millions of dollars in profits.

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            There is Fraud and these people think it’s quite normal to take from the hard working people of this country.

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        2. kmkirb October 29, 2013

          I don’t have time for this today, but your heartlessness is really transparent taxpayer. Judge not less ye be judged.

          I explained everything that’s going on with links to back it up that welfare is down over half since Clinton’s reform, & still you refuse to admit that this was all the GOTP simply putting the neediest down, while continuing to receive their riches!

          Deny, deny, deny tax payer. I’m SICK of the HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            Go out and find a needy family, and buy them groceries. Watch how they’ll buy some cigarettes and alcohol in front of you before you even pay for their food.

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          2. kmkirb October 29, 2013

            Screw you taxpayer, infadelicious, & especially that sick SOB floundering principles. That’s right. I’m sick to death of all of your self-aggrandizing, better than anyone else, judgmental, self-absorbed, selfish & stingy thinking ways. You think because of your own circumstances that you 3 are better than anyone else.

            That no one who is human is allowed to make mistakes. I don’t know of one single solitary human on this planet that does not make a mistake. To err is human, to forgive is divine.

            And this damn welfare queen myth has been debunked so many times. Don’t freaking believe me? Go read Reagan’s biography. He admits it!!!!!! The only reason he used the term was because he thought it sounded good to garner votes for the GOP.

            And in case you missed this story, the damn red states who continue to vote Repug are the ones receiving the most assistance, & most of them are white people.

            “The GOP Is The Food Stamp Party” (November 12th, 2012)
            https://www.nationalmemo.com/the-gop-is-the-food-stamp-party/

            So glad to know you 3 jerks are sooooo perfect that you can run around dictating what everyone else should do & are supposed to do. Don’t do this, don’t do that, but do this & do that. Authoritarian much? No, just ponerized pathocracy!

            That FP jerk thinks anyone that might need a little help in a bad situation should give away the family pet, even though that pet is no different than any other family member, & should sit around in the effing dark with no lights, or heat in the dangerous cold or AC in the dangerous heat just so they can eat some bare scraps, because God forbid, someone out here somewhere actually gives a damn about those less fortunate. And absolutely not, no matter what, make sure they only sub exist on as little as possible, do not even let them try & enjoy nothing ever, no tv, no break from the grief & stress, hell you can’t never even have a piece of candy or a scoop of ice cream according to that cretin.

            And that FP sicko, & now you too, think no one ever gets pregnant by accident, that birth control never fails, or that men do not desert/abandon women every day, or that women must escape an abusive relationship which makes the woman ultimately have to hold the bag in making sure her children are safe & cared for.

            Well guess what, all these years that I worked my damn ass off & paid all my taxes, now that I need a bit of help, I don’t feel guilty one ass bit for getting some of my money back. And here’s something else, because I am allowed to, I went & bought a half gallon of Jack Daniels today, along with my weekly quota of a carton of cigarettes, which I AM ALLOWED TO DO according to Social Services.

            So stuff it, all 3 of you. This is the most hateful thread I’ve seen all day in several weeks. You 3 that think you’re so much better than the rest of us, any of you could walk out tomorrow & get hit by a bus or a car, or a plane could crash in your damn houses & leave you paralyzed from the neck down, or whoops lightening came up through your sink drain while your standing there & you get a damn nice tingle. With all the millions you have saved, it might not be enough to carry you until your cold & in the ground. Would I have sympathy or empathy for any of you after what I’ve seen here today? Not on your effing lives. I would only feel pity for any of you.

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          3. tax payer October 29, 2013

            You act like I am singling you out, but in reality I don’t even know who the heck you are and do you think I actually care. Pregnancies occur because people love sex and they don’t care a baby is conceived as long as the tax payers pay for their upkeep. For the record I don’t smoke or drink, so why do you resort to doing something that will shorten your life by many years? So, if you are so sick of reading our stuff why do you continue to do it? Stop reading it because it’s having a bad effect on you. My Gosh, what is this world coming too, when people take everything so Personal. We are all equal except some of us try much harder to not live in Poverty. We may not be rich, but do have enough to not ask for help. I was poor one time, but I told myself this is only ( temporary ) because no one wants to be in the same position a lifetime.

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          4. highpckts October 29, 2013

            Amen! I don’t even feel sorry for these souless bastards that think that everyone is trying to get “their” money!

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          5. kmkirb October 30, 2013

            Thank you highpckts. Like I said to el jerko below, if something unforeseen happened to these 3 psychopaths, I would feel no sympathy or empathy for them, only pity.

            I told him the other day, & even gave him the link from a very conservative paper, the entire breakdown on all taxes. For SNAP, a person making $50,000.00 per year with one child pays about 10 cents per day, which equals $36.82 a year total, paid one time annually. And that amount also pays for school lunches & WIC.

            “A person making $50,000 a year pays 10 cents a day in taxes for food stamps”… http://www.examiner.com/article/a-person-making-50-000-a-year-pays-10-cents-a-day-taxes-for-food-stamps

            And here’s two other links I provided to him. One showing that welfare is down by at least half since Clinton’s reform of the program. The other shows why so many are now on the program & how it truly does help our economy by putting more money back into it which increases revenues, besides keeping people from dying.

            “Welfare spending cut in half since reform”… http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/09/news/economy/welfare-reform/index.htm

            “Five Reasons Food Stamps Work Just Fine”… http://prospect.org/article/five-reasons-food-stamps-work-just-fine

            Like I said to him though, for all the years I worked & paid my taxes, BWHAhahahaha, “I am now getting back some of MY money.”

            So I have no guilt nor shame for getting back part of what is mine while also helping others. And Social Services also knows that we all have to have some relief & it’s why they don’t demand that if I do have a little bit of cash I am not allowed to go spend it as I see fit. So yes, I bought alcohol & cigarettes. Oh it’s all good for the lousy $19 bucks a month that I get.

            Shit on those 3 demons. I hope they all get bit really, really hard by something, anything, swiftly, & very soon. That includes mandinka & anyone else like these jerks. Something I learned a long time ago, never say never. We’re all human & shit happens. Bad things happen to good people everyday, it’s just unfortunate that bad things don’t happen to bad people more often than not!!!!

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      2. kmkirb October 29, 2013

        Thank you disqus_fsqeoY3FsG for your kind words & remembrance. These 3 ignorant selfish assholes, (taxpayer, floundering principles, & infadelicious), don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone or anything as long as it doesn’t affect them. They just want to pass judgment & dictate to everyone else. Maybe we should put these 3 in charge of everyone so they can have their wishes to exterminate all of us needy people. See what I replied with to TP below. I am done.

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        1. tax payer October 30, 2013

          I am sorry you are needy, so why not do something about it.

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      3. tax payer October 30, 2013

        I don’t eat at that place.

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        1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 30, 2013

          ignore all future posts

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    3. infadelicious October 29, 2013

      i remember eating a lot of oatmeal and also puffed rice cereal with gray milk made from powder, and yes lots of rice and beans. good protein source. I didn’t have fast food till i was in my teens…never acquired a taste for it and still prefer homecooked meals. people at work are shocked that i bring leftover chicken and veggies for lunch.. they go to mcDonalds and eat crap and pay more.

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      1. awakenaustin October 29, 2013

        Evidence that a poor diet will effect your mental abilities.

        Wow. Aren’t you just perfect?
        I bring leftovers for lunch also. So what?

        (The shift key is the one that has shift written on it.)

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  6. Eleanore Whitaker October 29, 2013

    I’m a former Republican. It is a disgusting commentary on what the GOP bull tyrants are all about when they have all those adorable little back room deals and meetings guaranteeing their pork barrel federal funds for their porker states. THIS is what they call “conservatism”…conserve their money by taking other peoples’ hard earned tax dollars. Not to worry, bullies always end up with their ass ends showing what they really don’t have. What the hell kind of party is made up of GOP vigilantes who live off everyone else’s tax dollars? You all have the power to overturn that GOP House majority very easily…make sure you are in regular contact with anyone who is NOT GOP and insist they fight hard for common decency. Trust me when I say that from those GOP meetings I attended, the bulls think they rule. They will dictate to anyone they think will OBEY their archaic BS rules. Go behind their backs and damage who they are and everything they stand for. Anything less hands them the Confederacy complete with their racist, religious fanatic, South Must Rise Again BS.

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  7. tax payer October 29, 2013

    A positive attitude can make you work hard and not depend on being fed for the rest of your life by the people of this country. I know some will say ( we have the right to eat ), but so do we and we worked to have that right by taking two jobs, and not being with our families until we arrive at home, but the family is asleep.

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    1. Mikey7a October 29, 2013

      I did all you say, and more. My heart gave out at 53…me thinking I had 15-20 more years to work, AFTER my kids were grown, and on their own. I could never afford medical insurance, so now I live on less than $900 a month in early Social Security Disability. Oh, I had my first tax paying job at 14 years old. Anyway, as I am a single male here in the great RED State of Florida, I was getting $85. a month in Food Stamps. As of November, they reduced those to $74 a month. Am I to understand that next year, they will lower them even more? Man, beans and Rice sound like a banquet extravagance to me Tax Payer! Sir, you can kiss my FAT LAZY ASS!

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      1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

        Mikey, i don’t think taxpayer is talking about you. He’s talking about cutting off the people who are able bodied. Not the sick, elderly , working poor and /or struggling families. Those people and you, could have more if the actual fraud was addressed. Please don’t make it a republican/democrat thing. Noone wants to see honest deserving people starve.

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        1. Mikey7a October 29, 2013

          The trouble being, you Republicans KNOW the one’s to suffer most from these cuts, will be those who most need the help. Stop trying to justify telling me, you just wish I’d hurry up and DIE!

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        2. midway54 October 29, 2013

          So, I guess you are one in support of therightwinger squalling, Where are the jobs? Able-bodied citizens who have lost their jobs are looking for those elusive jobs to continue supporting their families. Every time many talk about the crumbling infrastructure and remedial work to do something about it, out come Teabaggers, their stooges they voted into office,and other assorted rightwing nutcases ferociously opposing the prospect.

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          1. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

            Romney Shipped Them Overseas That’s Where The Jobs Are And Yet They Wanted That Asshole To Be President!! The GOP/Tea Party Is In Office To Gut Out America And Damage And Sellout As Many Of The 99% Of The American People They Can Cause They Make Money From Doing So!! 🙁 Nothing But A Group Of Racist, Lying, Low Life Demons In Meat Suits!!!

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          2. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            calm down lynnette! are you drinking Eleanore juice today? wow! obozo shipped jobs for GE, (his job czar buddy’s co_) over to china to make all them curly frickin light bulbs noone wants. romney is gone and so is bush … get over it. there are no jobs because of obozo…………….who has focused on jobs since day one… barf.

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          3. MaatMenNefer October 29, 2013

            Why not go back and look at Ray-Gun..who managed to destroy our industrial base in the 80’s…or are you too young to remember such terms as ‘Rust Belt’? Maybe we should remember that 50 years ago they blew the head off JFK with their ‘magic bullet’ and then started that charming little war that reaped them so many profits in Viet Nam…Brown & Root (now part of Halliburton) made $8 Billion dredging CamRon Bay!..’Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it’

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          4. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            I agree totally with ” those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” try reading The forgotten Man or check out Germany, early 30’s

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          5. MaatMenNefer October 29, 2013

            I have a small but good library on that very country in that time…Bella Fromm’s ‘Blood and Banquets’ is from her smuggled out diary of that time…most informative…I began reading on this subject when I was only 14…I think even then I suspected something! Famine drove the French Revolution too. And behind it all comes the Fuk-U-Shima fallout…we live in interesting times.

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          6. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

            KISS MY AZZ DEMON!!

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          7. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            is this lynnette or linda blair trying out for the next Exorcist remake?

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          8. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

            You Are Nothing But A Lying Low Life Demon FU(K YOU!!

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          9. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            You sound more like a demon with the vulgar language. Try to relax. Why so upset and angry? Shalom Aleichem

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          10. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

            Fu(k YOU!! Vulgar Language?? These Aren’t Even Words!! But You Are One Vulgar Person!!

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          11. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            Someone needs a hug. Shalom. I wish your troubled angry mind to find peace through truth 🙂

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          12. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

            Kiss My Azz Azzhole!! Here Me Giving Your Lying Azz The Middle Finger!! I Know The Truth You Lying Sack Of Sh!t!!!

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          13. tax payer October 30, 2013

            You are wasting your time with people like this person because they are mad their allowance ( food stamps ) will go down a few dollars as of 11/01/13.

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          14. Lynnette Gentry October 30, 2013

            You Lying Low Life Koch Brothers Butt Kissing DEMON!! I Got A Great Job And Make Plenty Of Money !! Don’t Get It Twisted I’m Not Your Mom!!! AZZWIPE!! I Don’t Do Food Stamp Nor Do I Have A Ray-Gun Phone!!! My 401 Is On Fire Thanks To Our President Obama!!!!! Yayyyyyy!!!!

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          15. infadelicious October 31, 2013

            I know, poor Lynette — each time she takes a drink from the bottle wrapped in a brown bag outside the 7-11, she will blame me that she doesn’t have enough for chewing tobacco too.

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          16. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            That’s Exactly How Your Mother Lives!! AZZHOLE!! You No Good Lying RAT!! Try Getting Out Of Your Mother’s Basement And Get Yourself A Job!!

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          17. infadelicious October 31, 2013

            Good morning sunshine 😉

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          18. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            KISS MY AZZ DEMON!!

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          19. infadelicious October 31, 2013

            I hope your day gets better….:-)

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          20. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            My Day Is Great Till Some Low Life Demon Like You Start Crap With Me!! STFU!!

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          21. infadelicious October 31, 2013

            try adding maca powder or passionflower to your protein shake or juice i the am. it will balance you and calm your nerves………;-)

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          22. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            Nothing Is Wrong With My Nerves IT’S YOU !!!!!! FU(K OFF!!

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          23. infadelicious October 31, 2013

            stay classy lynnette, shalom 😉

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          24. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            KISS MY CLASSY AZZ!!!

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          25. infadelicious October 31, 2013

            try the maca….;-)

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          26. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            Try Plucking Up Those Lying Lips Of Yours And Try Kissing My Azz And STFU Talking To Me!! AZZHOLE!!

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          27. infadelicious October 31, 2013

            How does one “pluck up their lips”? Why would you want a complete stranger that you hate to kiss your butt? I don’t hate you but i don’t want you to kiss my butt. that’s not normal lynnette. not normal at all.. sad indeed. feel better soon.;-)

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          28. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            PLEASE JUST SHUT THE HELL UP TALKING TO ME!! KISS MY AZZ!! DON’T YOU GET IT FU9K OFF TROLL!!!! UP YOURS!!! HOW MANY WAYS DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!! FAKE AZZ HUMAN DEMON!!! You’re Just Working Out Of Romney Playbook!! One Minutes You Nice And The Next The Demon Comes Out Of You !! Save Your Flip Flopping Bullsh!t It’s Will Not Work On Me!!!

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          29. GOP=FOOLS October 29, 2013

            Actually ur 100% wrong Infadelicious, the reason there are no jobs is the GOP run the house and john Bone head and his boys refuse to pass any jobs bills Obama put in front of them. Look around next time u drive down the street or cross a overpass or better yet go under 1 look up and see the bridge is in horrible shape,

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          30. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            Sorry it’s not like obozo can’t do something Against the will of the house and or the American people. Put in the frickin pipeline. You’ll have some excuse not to. Don’t crack to me about green energy. Obozo made enough of his buddies rich off those epic failures. Can you say solyndra?

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          31. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

            Shove the pipeline you your as@. The pipeline is for the Canadians, so that they can ship their oil through the Gulf to China.

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          32. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            And there you go distorting facts again!! Trying to make people think that somehow Obama did something wrong with Solyndra – when in fact, Solyndra failed because of Romney and his ilk.

            The Bush Administration had fully vetted Solyndra BEFORE Obama was even elected. The Solyndra application was on Bush’s desk waiting for his signature on 1/20/09. Obama didn’t automatically approve the Solyndra application – like most of us, he probably didn’t trust Bush either. So the Obama administration vetted Solyndra too.

            And everything was great until the competition for solar panel work from China was too much for Solyndra to compete with. It was some companies that Romney and his ilk had pirated here in America, destroyed the American jobs here and shipped to China. These solar companies went to China with the technology from America and with the super cheap Chinese labor Solyndra just couldn’t compete and had to fold.

            So if you’re going to blame someone for the failure of Solyndra ROMNEY’S THE GUY!! It’s Romney that started Bain Capital and taught all Bain’s competitors how to be ruthless (totally unAmerican) in buying out American companies, stripping them of their assets, including all their pension monies and leaving millions of American workers without jobs and millions of pre-retirees without full retirement benefits.. All the while dumping the pension liabilities on the America taxpayer and making millions by selling the American technology to Chinese manufacturing firms.

            But irrespective of that, the failure of Solyndra was one of the few Green Energy initiatives of the Stimulus that didn’t turn into a success. The Green Energy initiaitive of the Stimulus was without question the most successful R&D type initiative the U.S. Government has ever run, with a 92% success ratio returned on the 29 billion that was invested of what was initially a 90 billion potential allocation – which by the way, garnered hundreds of millions in private sector investments as well.

            You’re as clueless as a rock!!!!!!!

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          33. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

            What the fuc are you talking about dichead.

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          34. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            my my my, dirty nappy is in a mood today! nice language. When you calm yourself you may ask me a question, and I may or may not answer ;.-)

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          35. awakenaustin October 29, 2013

            Dirty nappy is over matched guy’s name for Justin Napolitano.
            I think the mask is slipping off you again.

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          36. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            i saw OMG use the name and it seemed to fit. just as he calls you coma boy… and he and others call dear leader obozo, it fits. I will use them all if I wish..

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          37. awakenaustin October 30, 2013

            Original thought is clearly your forte.

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          38. Lynnette Gentry October 30, 2013

            You Mean His Hooded White Sheet Is Slipping??

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          39. nirodha October 30, 2013

            Very nice analysis!

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          40. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            that lady GaGa had a meat suit… i bet she started this.

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          41. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

            No Your Mom Started It!! Then She Spawned Your Dumb Lying Azz!!

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          42. TZToronto October 29, 2013

            What the Tea Party rank and file think is that if they elect one of their favorites that everything will be great. All those loafers will get what’s coming to them (well, not get what’s not coming to them). And the elected Tea Partiers will treat their faithful well by making sure all of multi-multi-billions of dollars now going to the lazy leeches will be saved by way of lower taxes for everyone. They actually think that they, themselves, will not be the targets of the further enrichment of the already-wealthy. Little do they know that they make up the ordinary folk so sneered at by the elite. Be careful of what you wish for; you might just get it!

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          43. demz taters October 30, 2013

            Getting the moderately affluent to foolishly identify themselves with the interests of the super rich instead of the middle class is one of the greatest achievements of the American plutocracy.

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          44. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            And despite the fact that Romney left Bain Capital back around 2000, he was actively involved in buying up foundering companies, pirating all their assets, pocketing their pension assets, dumping the pension liabilities onto the American taxpayer, even within a week of the 2012 election; all the while going around campaigning as a great American job creator, when in fact, he was by far a much greater American job destroyer!!!

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          45. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

            Exactly And These Low Life Demons Tried To Make Mr. Strip And Ship Our President!! That’s Just Shows You These People Are Nothing But Terrorists And Traitors To Their Country And To The American People!!

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          46. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            you need to ask the messiah where the hell the jobs are! as joe biden said the three letter word is J-O-B-S… Obozo has been focused on jobs since day one, as if he gives a flying squirrel. The only job he created was the one big snow job he pulled on you TWICE, how much have we spent on infratructure, it didn’t work. “those shovel ready jobs weren’t as shovel ready as we thought”……:they laughed their butts off at that one. did you think that was funny? ask him where the jobs are…

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          47. midway54 October 29, 2013

            I would do better by asking Boehner who persistently raised the question before he became Speaker. He and your crackpot idols are doing and will do anything they can to oppose any kind of jobs program. You can continue ignoring what is plainly going on. I see you have adopted another poster’s term, Obozo. More evidence of your irresistible proneness to parrot and distribute nonsense.

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          48. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            obozo reading from his teleprompter seems to be The Parotter and Distributor of Nonsense in chief…….yep that sounds about right.or should i say left,

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          49. midway54 October 29, 2013

            Ah yes, out comes the teleprompter stuff taught by Limbaugh and the characters at Fox “News” Shrieking Sarah Palin used them and many on both right and left use them. It is a device that surely is superior to watching someone reading a speech and looking up in short spurts. There are those who speak from a prepared outline. I am certain that you know that W. Bush spoke off teleprompters but you chose to ignore that. One need only watch the speaker’s eye motions toward the prompter as he turns his head from side to side in the address. You might find some videos of Bush in his major comments to the nation to see for yourself….but, again, I suggest you know all about it without reviewing those.

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          50. demz taters October 30, 2013

            It’s as inane as trying to pin the “vacation president” meme on Obama when anyone without a brain impairment can remember back more than five years when we had a real “vacation president.”

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          51. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

            Look up your as@, you stupid pric.

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        3. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

          It is more than fraud. The Liberals destroyed the work ethic and self-respect in many people. In the past, people felt SHAME to go on any form of the dole. Liberals deny the truth that shame is actually part of the same coin, inextricable from the work ethic and responsibility and self-respect.

          It may not be the most pleasant emotion, but having it is a sign of a person who really does want to work and provide for himself and his family. Liberal, by denying this, are destroying the work ethic and our morals.

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          1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            Why do you keep LYING about it’s liberals that are putting people on the dole WHEN THE FACTS SAY IT’S CONSERVATIVES!!!
            YES YOU NITWIT!!! IT’S CONSERVATIVES THAT ARE SUCKING MORE THAN 75% OF WELFARE DOLLARS!!! STOP LYING!!

            IT’S MORE THAN 93% OF RED STATES THAT HAVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR RESIDENCE LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL AND SUCKING WELFARE!!! ALL 10 OF THE STATES THAT GET MORE THAN $1.50 BACK PER $1 OF TAXES THEY PAY ARE CONSERVATIVE RED STATES!!!!

            While in contrast, all 10 of the states that get the least federal aid back for the tax dollars they send to Washington ARE ALL BLUE STATES!!!

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          2. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            No, it is the Left-wingers. Look at what they have done: Extended unemployment benefits. They lowered the requirements to get FOOD STAMPS. Heck, the Liberals even had the work requirements to go on the dole removed!

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          3. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            More blatant lies – IT AINT LIBERALS ON THE DOLE – IT’S CONSERVATIVES BY FAR!!! AND YOU KNOW IT CREEP!!! WHY DON’T YOU GO SLITHER BACK UNDER THAT ROCK YOU CRAWLED OUT FROM UNDER!!!!

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          4. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            It does not matter who is on the dole. When Left-winger government offers welfare, of course many people will be tempted to have their lives destroyed by Liberal programs.

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          5. Independent1 October 30, 2013

            What do you mean – It doesn’t matter who is on the dole??? What kind of idiot statement is that – of course it matters. IT MATTERS A GREAT DEAL THAT GOP NITWITS ARE FORCING RESIDENTS OF THE STATES THEY GOVERN INTO NEEDING MORE OFTHE PROGRAMS THAT LIBERALS CREATE TO HELP THOSE IN NEED!!!!

            AND BY INTENTIONALLY THROWING THEIR RESIDENTS OUT OF WORK AND ONTO WELFARE, THESE NITWIT RED STATES ARE BY FAR DISPROPORIONATELY USING THE PROGRAMS THAT LIBERALS CREATE WHICH SHOULD REALLY ONLY BE NEEDED BY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEIR RESIDENTS – AND THEY ARE USED ONLY BY A SMALL PERCENTAGE – IN THE BLUE STATES!!!!!!

            IT’S THE RED STATES THAT HAVE THE VERY HIGH USES OF THESE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING INTENTIONALLY!!! SO THEY CAN REDUCE THEIR STATE BUDGETS TO ALLOW THEMESELVES AND THEIR WEALTHY DONORS TO KEEP MORE OF THEIR OWN MONEY IN THEIR OWN POCKETS AND NOT HELPING THOSE IN NEED!!! THEY’RE TOTALLY ANTICHRISTIAN!!!

            And yes it’s liberals that are compassionate enough to create programs like Social Security and Medicare to help those in need; AND YES, EVEN SOME WELFARE PROGRAMS, BUT THEY ALSO CREATE THE PROGRAMS TO CUT DOWN THE NEED FOR THESE PROGRAMS!!!

            While in contrast, its THE GOP GOVERNANCE IN RED STATES THAT PURPOSELY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THESE PROGRAMS – FORCING THEIR RESIDENTS INTO JOBS THAT PAY BELOW POVERTY LEVEL WAGES AND ONTO THE NEED FOR WELFARE PROGRAMS. MANY OF THE RED STATES ACTUALLY GIVE CLASSES TO PEOPLE THEY’VE THROWN OUT OF WORK ON HOW TO APPLY FOR THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.

            AND YES I’M YELLING BECAUSE YOU’RE SUCH A CLUELESS IDIOT YOU DON’T COMPREHEND ANYTHING!!!

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          6. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            Nobody is “intentionally” throwing anyone out of work, of course. And people actually have to voluntarily make an effort to fill out the forms so that they can go on the dole.

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          7. Lynnette Gentry October 30, 2013

            LOL It The GOP Red States Who Will Be Hurt The Most Cause They Are The Ones Who Sucking The Most Of Government Money!! LOL

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        4. MaatMenNefer October 29, 2013

          A person might be able-bodies and still not be able to find a job that allows them to feed themselves…the corporations have off-shored so many jobs that used to be ours…ever tried to talk to ‘tech support’ …they are usually NOT in this country! And then there is age..try finding a job if you are over 60..or even 50!

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          1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            All they have to do is try working at Wal-Mart or one of the fast-food outlets and their pay will be such that they will qualify for food stamps. Taxpayers are subsidizing the pay of fast-food outlets to the tune of 7 Billion/yr.

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        5. awakenaustin October 29, 2013

          Fraud is running just about 1.3 cents on the dollar or 1.3% of the ~ $80 billion dollar budget. Where exactly is this fraud we are concerned about? The welfare queen and lazy able-bodied cheat on welfare are as mythical as the fraudulent voter.
          Taxpayer isn’t a completely heartless bastard he doesn’t want to starve the “deserving” poor, he just wants to starve the “undeserving” poor.

          Per your rendition apparently it is okay for the dishonest, undeserving, able bodied to starve. Why are we wasting all this money feeding people in prison? Talk about your basic dishonest, undeserving able-bodied types. Think of the savings.
          Hey, why even bother with prisons. Lets go back to making all felony crimes capital crimes. We could just execute everyone convicted of a felony on the court house steps right after his/her conviction and do away with prisons. We would still need some county jails for pre-trial detention, but prisons would be a thing of the past. Somebody got a drug problem and guilty of a felony possession, just kill him.

          You folks ever pay any attention to the drivel you spout?

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            why does everyone on here take one line from a post of a person they disagree with and spin it like a whirling dervish until it’s unrecognizable? this started out as cutting out freeloaders on foodstamps… not the sick not the elderly, not the struggling working poor person or family.. but the freeloaders. 1.3% you say? i am not buying that number , though it is till a large amount of $$ when 47 million are on food stamps. 47 million ? that’s more than the population of Canada…putting that aside the posters on here had me starving people, sending them off to war to be killed and now you have spun it from nonexistent food stamp fraud into getting rid of prisons and putting people to death for having a drug problem.. Do you see something wrong with this picture? wow! nice little story you cooked up. you have quite the imagination. you guys can’t really expect someone to try to discuss an issue with you when you clearly cannot focus on the topic and then you say “you folks” are spouting drivel?……. try reading all the posts in a thread, then reread your reply before you hit “post” ok?…. wow!

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          2. awakenaustin October 29, 2013

            You said it, I didn’t say it. You don’t mean it, then don’t say it. I didn’t respond to all the posts in the thread, I responded to your post “no one wants to see honest deserving people starve.” Implications like payback are a bitch.

            You don’t have to buy the number. Google “fraud in the SNAP program,” then you can write the sources and tell them how wrong they are, because from your personal experience you know it isn’t so.
            It is a lot of money! It is about $84 million more than the “cost overruns” on the F-15 fighter. Original budget was for that plane $384 billion a mere six times the annual SNAP budget.

            What I find comical is that you don’t think 47 million people below the poverty level (thereby qualifying them for SNAP) in this nation is the problem. You think the problem is feeding them at some minimal dietary level and along with the idea you have that some guys maybe getting something you think they don’t deserve. The welfare “freeloader” is a myth.

            Canada is relevant to what? The fact that India and China have populations much higher than 47 million is also irrelevant.

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          3. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            you’re putting words in my posts again, did I say 47 million food stamp recipients was NOT a problem.. quit twisting things around. I used Canada ‘s population as a comparison to the number of people on food stamps in the USA, just as you use the price of f15 fighters to compare them to the cost of food stamps. Maybe I should have used the amount it cost (and rising) to implement or to attempt to implement the health care web site. That’s not the issue.. You read it as paybacks are a bitch? that’s how you saw it. I did not say paybacks are a bitch. you did. that would have nothing to do with my original post.

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          4. awakenaustin October 30, 2013

            Canada? It just isn’t relevant to anything. Our population is substantially larger than Canada’s and substantially smaller than China’s. Maybe an apt comparison would be on a per capita basis in similar economies? That might involve comparing oranges to oranges, instead of grabbing some, in this context, meaningless statistic out of your…well you know where. (Hey an appropriate use of points of ellipses.)
            No, you didn’t say paybacks are a bitch. I did. What I actually said was “implications” (i.e., the implications of your statement re: the “deserving poor”) like paybacks are a bitch.” (I left the s out on paybacks.) See, what I am saying is that they are analogous. Paybacks are a bitch and implications are a bitch too. You say it, you own it. Sorry, I can’t explain it any more simply.
            You certainly could use the healthcare costs if you wish. I think you will shoot blanks on that one too. Non-partisan projections suggest ACA will cost less than the projected costs of maintaining our current way of doing the health care industry. Of course the real solution to the problem would be a single payer system like Medicare. Instead of that we have a Republican – Heritage Foundation generated idea which keeps the system private market based. Insurance companies and the rest of the healthcare industry still running the game, with some small limitations on how badly they can f..k everyone.
            The airplane was offered only as a indication that some things (small items in another part of the budget) cost a lot of money also, sometimes more money than they were originally supposed to, but they never get discussed as a waste of tax dollars. Why is that? Wait, I have an answer. Its because they don’t go to benefit the “deserving” or the “undeserving” poor.

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        6. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

          How the fuc would you know anything about people that collect food stamps. You probably never met a single person on food stamps and have no idea what it is like to live in their world. Go suc the member of a Kock brother.

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          1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

            there ya go…..feel better now? Sorry, puddin pop, I live too close to Detroit and have watched the dems destroy it over the past few decades to have not seen people that use food stamps and become reliant on them to the point of squashing any ambition they may have had. over 40 % of Detroiters use em. If they wanted to destroy Hiroshima, they should have dropped the democratic party on them, not a bomb.. look at what the dems did to Detroit.

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      2. tax payer October 29, 2013

        You have children, so why aren’t they there for you? I was there for my mother and she didn’t have to depend on the tax payers because we made sure she had what she needed once she lost her spouse ( my step-dad ). To forget your parents is sad, but somehow I know your kids may be able to help you in some form, but they have to know your situation. You are an exception because those that I am referring about are people that can work, but think why work since we can still eat whatever we want because we pay nothing for the food.

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        1. jmprint October 29, 2013

          Tax payer, the whole point is don’t cut stamps, call your congressman to fix the fraud, you are willing to hurt many, because your neighbors suck off government tit. There are more needy than fraud. Just like the gerrymandering.

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        2. highpckts October 29, 2013

          So your kids are very well off and can afford to support you when things like this happens? How nice for you!!

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            I am lucky I have everything I need because I made sure it wouldn’t happen to me, so Congratulations are in order. Don’t you think!

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          2. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

            People wind up in the situations they are – for the most part – because of a series of behaviors over a long period. This is not just money, of course. You were there for your mother, I would guess, because she was there for you over many, many years. People have friends, health, savings – not out of luck or accident – but because of years and years of effort and being responsible.

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          3. nobody2U October 29, 2013

            You are blind to blame the poor for the small amount of “help” whereas the wealthy, profiting corporations are fleecing the American Taxpayer for Welfare handed to them by paid Lobbyists who ensure they remain off topic by stating things like: “if you don’t have money, don’t have children” or “I did it all by myself, why can’t they?”

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          4. tax payer October 29, 2013

            We had three children, but only because we knew we could support all three of them otherwise we would have been childless.

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          5. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

            It must be nice to have never faced adversity.

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          6. highpckts October 29, 2013

            Just so you know how “lucky” you are! Not everyone has their health and the means to survive even with their childrens help!!

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          7. tax payer October 29, 2013

            Some children, when they grow up ( they actually ) stay being the same way they were as they were growing up because it’s a tradition with some families.

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          8. highpckts October 29, 2013

            Oh my God! You are serious? Geez!!

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          9. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

            You are going to die someday and people will pis on your grave. What, you think you wont ever die?

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          10. tax payer October 29, 2013

            I will die knowing I did much for my family, so are you doing the same for your family? You ( do know ) everyone is born to die, so yes I am leaving someday. What else is new? The madder you get the less sense you make.

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        3. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

          Charles Murray gave an excellent lecture about how, when the government makes things “easier” by taking the responsibilities of caring for others, it destroys families and communities.

          Glad to see you took care of your mother.

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            Thanks, but why did someone give you a thumbs down? They must have not cared about their mother since maybe she didn’t buy them any candy, when they were children.

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          2. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

            What a self righteous asshol# you are. Do you really think you have control of everything that might effect your life every day? You are going to face something in your life that you will have no control over and when that happens eat shi@.

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          3. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            We have control over whether we keep the 200-channel cable subscription, whether we continue the expensive cell phone contract, whether we cut the internet connection, whether we keep the pets, whether we go out to eat, whether we keep a relatively new car, whether we buy used clothes or new ones.

            I will never go on FOOD STAMPS. Never.

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        4. elw October 29, 2013

          Tax payer, do you really have the right to question Mikey7a about his relationship with his children? Telling him that he is the exception to the lazy bums on food stamps, does not help him. He now has less money for food, because of people like you and their wrong thinking judgmental views.

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            He needs the help ( more ) than some obese mother that keeps having babies and knowing we will pay for their food. Children should be there for the parents, so what is so wrong in letting him know he can ask for help from the children he raised himself? I was trying to remind him or let him know the children can help, if they care for him.

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          2. elw October 29, 2013

            You were not reminding him of anything, you were judging him by what you assumed was not going on in his life. Just like you are judging obese mothers who happen to be getting SNAP. It what you do.

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          3. tax payer October 29, 2013

            I guess you must be one of those mothers since you get so offended.

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          4. elw October 29, 2013

            “I guess” which is your problem you are always guessing and not basing any of your comments on fact or truth.

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          5. demz taters October 30, 2013

            Do you people ever think in terms that aren’t cliche and cartoonish?

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        5. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

          We know the relationship you had with your mother was suspect, don’t we?

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            I’m sorry, but mad as you are you are starting to make no sense in your comments. Think about your own and don’t worry about those that don’t care about themselves.

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    2. nobody2U October 29, 2013

      How does it feel to realize you worked so hard to give corporations welfare? How about when you realize your fellow Man, Woman & Child are NOT to blame?

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      1. tax payer October 29, 2013

        When a man and a woman make a baby they are to blame for bringing that baby ( into poverty ), so please blame the parents, if the child doesn’t have any food to eat.

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        1. Mark October 29, 2013

          And just who’s responsible for the poverty? Remember who took a billion dollar surplus and pissed it away on two senseless wars? Remember who allowed corporate America to send all the manufacturing jobs overseas, allowing unemployment to skyrocket? You Republicans constantly blame everyone but yourselves for the poverty in this country. What exactly have you done to improve the lives of the least among us? Cut food stamps? Oppose every jobs program Obama has proposed, all in the name of politics? It’s a wonder all of you can look at yourselves in the mirror every day, but I guess those without a conscience manage quite nicely.

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          1. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

            {And just who’s responsible for the poverty?}

            The people in it, of course. You think that because the government spent money on wars, that means that people are driven into poverty? That means that you must think that the government should be distributing that money to people who may not even deserve it. That we should make even more people dependent on government by shifting military spending to welfare.

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          2. tax payer October 30, 2013

            That is hitting the nail on the tip,

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          3. tax payer October 29, 2013

            That name looks familiar, but I’ll respond. I made sure my family stayed out of poverty, so yes I have done something positive for one family and that is my own and, if every man did the same thing there would be no poverty in this country.

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          4. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

            It is like Ronald Reagan said, “Solutions may not be difficult to find, but they are hard to carry out.” You nailed it perfectly: You are simply determined to provide and stay off the dole, so it is extremely unlikely that you would put out your hand to a government agency. Because of your sense of responsibility to your family, they would be there for you, too.

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          5. midway54 October 29, 2013

            What an indisputable exhibit you have displayed about your total lack of decency and by extension no self-awareness. The plutocracy and the scoundrels who support the plutocrats are teaching that all citizens must fend for themselves, irrespective of causal circumstances. Your are right there cheering them.

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          6. tax payer October 29, 2013

            When someone comes to your home and is about to attack you, and your family ( are you going to stand there ) and let them put you out of your misery or are you going to defend yourself?

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          7. midway54 October 29, 2013

            We were talking about food stamp distributions. It looks as if the fend for themselves as you read and construed it had to do with defending home and family with a gun. This is utterly astonishing in that it reveals the degree of your literacy and marks you as a solid, vulnerable target of the ultra-right wing propagandists.

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          8. tax payer October 29, 2013

            When you mentioned all people should fend for themselves it made me think you wanted to read something else other than about the SNAP. I believe all people should fend for themselves, but not by allowing themselves to depend on tax payers is what you didn’t want me to say.

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          9. midway54 October 29, 2013

            Your being “made to think” failed you.

            Why would I raise a question concerning other than the subject which all posters have been addressing. I rest my case. Unbelieveable.

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          10. tax payer October 30, 2013

            Children have the parents to fend for their children, but it seems it isn’t happening in most families. They expect the tax payers to fend for their children since they won’t do it themselves.

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          11. midway54 October 31, 2013

            So, (a) most parents just don’t support their children and (2) will not or refuse to do it. This abstraction presented as a truism clearly derived from ignorance as well as from a mediocre or defective intellect has no context about the circumstances giving rise to this alleged behavior. You and your pals Infadelicious and founding principles through the incredible offerings of the three of you could be as entertaining (were they not so appalling) to the rest of us as a comedic skit on a show such as Saturday Night Live demonstrating that there are in fact rightwing lunatics among us.

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          12. tax payer October 31, 2013

            As long as the tax payers foot the bill ( yes ) these parents will sit and receive for their families until it comes to an end. If they stay single it means we don’t have to feed them or their children, so it makes you mad we don’t believe in being there for everyone in this country. You say we are ( not good people ) even though we don’t put our families in a situation that has them asking for help for us not being there for our own families. I don’t think all three of us are rich, but have enough to not ask for help and one of our Group has already mentioned he would never resort to applying for Food Stamps, so include me in his remark. I would love to read about why it makes sense to want others to do better, but in real life that’s not going to happen to most of these people.

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          13. midway54 October 31, 2013

            Just one final reply, for I suggest that both of us can better spend our time away from message threads:

            Not one word about the situations in which despite the best efforts and intentions of many, it simply has not worked for them.
            I live in a comfortable retirement situation, as do millions, but the rational citizens in the Country are well aware of the plight of those who no fault of their own have not and cannot achieve it.

            The likes of you just shrug and say it’s their own fault :”I got mine get outta my face.”

            Typical indifference to the very real world by the self-absorbed plutocrats and their mindless dupes always exploiting religion and waving the flag in a shameless effort to justify their economic Darwinism is unfortunately working for them and keeping rightwing crazies in office. I just know that you will keep digging and increase the depth of that hole you are in.

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          14. tax payer October 31, 2013

            Good, take a break because this isn’t going to change the thinking of some that still feel everyone can do something about their situation and improve it much more.

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          15. Bob Loosemore November 1, 2013

            Midway – your voice has value here. just keep plugging the idea that people who cannot achieve much deserve enough to live and contribute.

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          16. midway54 November 1, 2013

            Thanks much for your comment.

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        2. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

          Exactly!

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      2. midway54 October 31, 2013

        Hmmmmm. Doubt that he has ever considered that in his being daily saturated with right wing bilge from the propagandists.

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    3. Mark October 29, 2013

      What does that have to do with people who lost jobs do to offshoring, or those who can only find jobs paying starvation wages? By your logic, these people are supposed to go hungry because “I’ve got mine, you fend for yourselves.” I image you are one of these Republicans who also considers yourself a practicing Christian. That’s some brand of Christianity you’re practicing, suggesting it is perfectly acceptable to allow children to starve because you worked two jobs. Jesus would be very proud of you.

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      1. tax payer October 29, 2013

        If it wasn’t for ( SNAP ) these children would indeed starve since their parents wouldn’t make an effort to feed them with food bought with cash. So, blame those that deserve it and not those that believe parents should be responsible for their consequences.

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        1. elw October 29, 2013

          So the children go hungry because you blame the parents for being poor, or not working hard enough or making enough money. More of the Rights “blame the victim” BS.

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            Most of the children will grow up to do the same thing their parents are doing since they know tax payers won’t allow their children to die of hunger.

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          2. elw October 29, 2013

            Oh, I get it so you think it is better to starve children so they will not have the opportunity to grow up at all. .

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          3. tax payer October 29, 2013

            Worry about you own children unless you too are taking the benefits and that’s why you are defending them.

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          4. elw October 29, 2013

            It is called compassion, tax payer, you should try finding some. BTW, my children have done well in life, so I do not have to worry about them.

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          5. demz taters October 30, 2013

            Yes people will choose to live large on the $25 or $30 a week that an individual gets in food stamps and find it so generous they won’t even want to look for work.

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        2. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

          I am blaming your mother for raising a complete uncaring, self centered POS. She should be so proud.

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            So, your mother is the opposite and she wanted you to care for the less fortunate with ( not your money ), but with the tax money the Government gets from tax payers.

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      2. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

        Being “Christian” is not getting the GOVERNMENT to confiscate the wealth of one group and redistribute it to another. That is not “Christian” at all.

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        1. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

          Wrong! Please go read you bible and not use it to hold your door shut against those that have less than you.

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          1. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            Individual help – in the form of time, effort, and money – is Christian.

            But Left-wingers want to just get their government to take from the successful and redistribute their hard-earned wealth to those who usually did nothing to deserve it. And then the Leftists claim that they are “Christian.” What a freakin’ joke.

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        2. demz taters October 30, 2013

          Don’t you remember how, when Jesus was specifically asked about taxes, he went on a rant about how it wasn’t the government’s job to do His work and that people should hoard their wealth instead? No I don’t either.

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          1. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            Jesus did not say to get the government to take money from the successful and give it to the poor. He said for individuals to do it. Liberals think that getting their munificent, all-loving government is Christian-like. It is the opposite, pal.

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      3. infadelicious October 29, 2013

        You should let Jesus decide who is Christian enough. It’s not for you to judge

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        1. demz taters October 30, 2013

          We were told that we would know them by their fruit. Sounds like we’re expected to exercise some critical thought about who’s really as spiritual as they say they are.

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    4. highpckts October 29, 2013

      So that is all it takes is a “positive attitude”? Boy doesn’t everyone that needs help wish it was just that simple!! You my friend are a selfish bastard not to recognize that not everybody is as lucky as you even with 2 jobs!

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      1. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

        It takes having responsible priorities.

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      2. tax payer October 29, 2013

        People shouldn’t be born, so we can support them the rest of their life. Wake up and understand it’s fine with me, if you want to support them with your own money, and not tax money. I can bet you’ll never do it, if it’s money straight out of your wallet and I don’t mean tax money.

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        1. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

          These Liberals somehow will claim that they have moral rectitude by getting the government to confiscate the property of one group and distribute it to the groups that these same Leftist deem “worthy.”

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          1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 29, 2013

            Why don’t you and tax payer exchange e-mail addresses and bitch, moan and complain to each other about the people you have no use for.

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          2. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            If I exchanged emails with everyone who is of a similar mindset, I would have to be in communication with the tens of MILLIONS of responsible Americans who have morals and a work ethic. Too many.

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          3. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 30, 2013

            An estimated 55 million, however not all have the low opinion of people as you an tax payer, some of them actually do believe in the teachings of our Lord. By the way FP there are tens of millions of people who are “responsible” Americans who have morals and a strong work ethic who DO NOT share your political point of view. I know it is hard to believe, but the world does not consider you Superior to the rest of us, just a person who is an insufferable prig. I hope that in the future the rest of us ignore you and tax payer and when you don’t get responses you will just slither away into the night.

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          4. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            “Our Lord” wants individuals to serve the poor, not government.

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          5. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 30, 2013

            IGNORE

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          6. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            Well, I know that you are not ignoring my posts.

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          7. tax payer October 30, 2013

            Most American accept their money is being put to waste, but they don’t enter this Blog because you would attack them as soon as you read their comments.

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          8. demz taters October 30, 2013

            If you don’t want to contribute to modern society, why don’t you just take your ball and stomp off to the nearest low-tax, weak-government utopia you can find? We’ll even hold the door for you.

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        2. highpckts October 29, 2013

          So I take it that you are ok with abortions especially if that family can’t “pull their weight”???

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            I am 100% for abortion, if these people won’t be responsible for the baby.

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    5. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

      You are correct: It is not the job of the federal government to feed the people. With food stamps, the working people are actually subsidizing things like 200-channel cable TV, computer hookups, text messaging, pets, iPods, and so on. People are no longer expected to take money from the monthly cable TV hookup and buy food. No, no, no, no. With the Leftist policies, they can have their cable and eat it, too – by having the taxpayers give them FOOD STAMPS.

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      1. Mark October 29, 2013

        When you can prove this (and not with something you heard on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh) get back to the rest of us. Meantime, you and Obozomustgo continue to sound like ” I’ve got mine, the rest of you can go to hell!”

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        1. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

          Well, here is a chart showing how many of the “poor” have AIR CONDITIONING!

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          1. awakenaustin October 29, 2013

            The poor don’t own their homes. It is your contention they bought the landlord an AC?
            This is another of those silly efforts and misuses of statistics to to try to prove something it doesn’t prove.

            I noticed there is no cite on your welfare growth chart. Oversight? Did you make this up at home? Or, did you get this off of a “Fun Facts We Just Made Up” wing nut site?

            What was the change in population during that period?
            What has been the change in the distribution of wealth during that period?
            Vertical axis says 2008 constant dollars. The title says 2011 constant dollars. What’s up Doc?
            Your chart projects nothing other than your ignorance. You should look up projected in you word a day calendar.

            When you guys going to stop the poverty is a character flaw routine? You have been preaching that drivel since the Fifties.

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          2. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            No. The contention is – and I have a long list of all sorts of modern conveniences that these supposed “poor” have – that they actually do live in better and better circumstances, and most have cable TV, iPods, internet connections, pets, air conditioning and on and on. And the taxpayers are asked to give them FOOD STAMPS on top of this. The working people are actually subsidizing their air conditioning, cable TV, etc.

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          3. tax payer October 30, 2013

            Most Section-8 Homes or Apartments are required to furnish A/C

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          4. awakenaustin October 31, 2013

            The clear implication of Mr. foundingprinciples chart and comparison was that the poor were spending their money on such luxuries as AC and not on necessities. Ergo their plight was the result of their profligacy and bad character. Which of course is not true. My Point. So you clearly support my view!
            His point then was at the very best ignorant. At the worst intentionally misleading.

            The idea that poverty is simply a matter of character is an iconic item in conservative ideology and has been since the very first time big guys with big sticks made that very first uneven distribution of community resources. It has dual purposes. It serves as a justification for the better position of some viz a viz the poorer position of others – “I am more worthy than you so I deserve more.” (Of course the evidence of their better character is the wealth itself. Nifty!) The poor being less worthy deserve nothing. Secondly, it serves as a justification for doing nothing other than occasionally giving the poor a meal at Christmas and just as occasionally giving them old clothes you believe no longer have any value. “We have no obligation to you because you are responsible for your own circumstances.” (The proof of bad character – poverty. Nifty.)
            “You know, the rich are different from you and me,” F.S. Fitzgerald.
            “Yes, they have more money,” Ernest Hemingway.
            (Most likely an anecdote. It is a famous quote/counter quote – which probably never actually occurred.)

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          5. tax payer October 31, 2013

            Many people are born poor, but they decide this isn’t for me, so I am going to do something to get out of poverty soon as possible. They finish High School and go on to College even, if it takes them ten years to get their Degree. Most of them don’t even look for a spouse until in their early 30’s since they want for the family to have a secured life and the best way is to have a good future money wise. I got married at the age of forty and have never looked back. While others were getting married at age ( 18 ) I was preparing for the future. Not everyone thinks that way, so that’s where poverty comes in and stays there for some of these people. A Trade School can also be there for them, so they can earn a good wage. You attack those that would prefer for these people to get ahead in life and they read about it, and they come up with the idea ( I am doing the right thing ) by staying at the poverty level.

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          6. awakenaustin October 31, 2013

            What is so incredibly jarring about this way of thinking about the world, is that it has as its central tenet the idea that poor people enjoy being poor, otherwise they would do something about it.
            You aren’t interested in these folks getting ahead you are interested in savings on your taxes.

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          7. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 29, 2013

            Most modern housing has Air Conditioning of some form and having it doesn’t mean you use it. Your graph is from 2005. Also many people who are getting government assistance were employed, owned a home or lived in housing with A/C, and than the result of Republican Economics happened in 2008 and people were loosing their jobs. So yes individuals who worked hard and now had no job or had to find jobs for less money had to get some form of Government assistance and guess what the Central Air was not removed from their homes or from the apartments, condos, etc. “Extreme heat and humidity are more than an inconvenience — they are dangerous and can be deadly, but that is okay with you and tax payer.

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          8. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            {Your graph is from 2005.}

            Yes. Notice that the putative “poor” are actually catching up with the non-poor in such things.

            If people can afford AC, they shouldn’t get FOOD STAMPS.

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          9. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG October 30, 2013

            I no longer wish to engage with people like you and taxpayer – IGNORE…

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          10. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            That is when the Liberal has no logic, principles or data to rebut cogent posts. The Liberal either makes personal attacks or runs away.

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          11. tax payer October 30, 2013

            We have never asked you to respond, so why do it?

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          12. Mark October 29, 2013

            If there is so much rampant “fraud” as you like to put it, then why haven’t you protectors of the taxpayer’s money reported all this fraud to the proper authorities and had these thieving bastards thrown in jail? I find it amazing that the same people who can find voter fraud, food stamp fraud, welfare fraud, etc, can’t find a thing fraudulent about corporate welfare or tax breaks for the rich. Please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by suggesting none of the latter examples are the least bit fraudulent.

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          13. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            I just showed you the data. I knew you would create some way to negate it in your own mind, of course. That is why I find it useless to provide data and sources to Left-wingers.

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          14. Mark October 30, 2013

            I didn’t negate anything. I share your concern about fraud. I just wondered 2 things…1. Have you reported this fraud in an effort to stop it. 2. Fraud is fraud, whether it’s by people collecting public assistance when they shouldn’t be collecting it, or corporate America collecting taxpayer funded welfare in an effort to boost their profits. Both are wrong, and BOTH should be ended. Problem is, you right wingers want to turn a blind eye to corporate welfare, while punishing genuinely needy people in an effort to end fraud. A little consistency on the part of you right wingers would go a long way towards gaining you some credibility.

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          15. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            The standards are so low, and people commit fraud so easily. People on the dole claim that they tried to find work but sabatoged the applications and interviews so they will not get work, for example. Then, they can claim that they tried. People pay for 200-channel cable TV, yet claim that they need FOOD STAMPS to eat. People pay for food for their pets, and demand to go on the dole. And on and on.

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          16. Mark October 31, 2013

            Again, if you can prove this fraud, you need to contact law enforcement so these people can be prosecuted. Since you apparently haven’t done so, instead choosing to scream “fraud” over and over again, makes me believe you are the fraud, parroting crap you heard on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, instead of researching and documenting this alleged fraud. Put up or shut up!

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          17. foundingprinciples October 31, 2013

            It is not a question of fraud per se. It is a question of decency, work ethic, morals, and self-respect.

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          18. Mark October 31, 2013

            You seem to assume these people are not actively looking for work. If there were ample jobs in this country, no one would need food stamps or any other type of government assistance (and don’t you dare call McDonalds, Burger King, Wal-Mart or Starbucks jobs.)

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          19. foundingprinciples October 31, 2013

            Some decent people are looking for work, of course. Not all are scammers.

            But the malingerers, scammers and con artist are there, and there are plenty of them. I saw this up close while living among them, and where I worked – worked in several locations. These people actually were PROUD of their ideas to keep the dole coming in.

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          20. Mark November 1, 2013

            The fact that you are still vomiting up the same garbage suggests that this is mainly fiction. Otherwise, true patriots such as yourself would have put a stop to it years ago. After, wasn’t it W’s administration that went hard after welfare cheats? To quote someone from recent history, “you can put lipstick on a sow, but it’s still a pig.”

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          21. foundingprinciples November 1, 2013

            For the SEVENTH time: It is not the “fraud” and “cheaters” per se. The welfare bums know the system; I have lived around them. Write something dumb on a job application – deliberately – or screw up an interview. Then claim one “tried” to find work and actually have the proof. Or claim back problems or emotional problems.

            My cousin was a doctor and worked at a clinic where many want for workers’ compensation. He knew some were faking and refused to qualify them. The supervisor got angry. Why? Because people would stop coming to the clinic and they would lose business. I am not talking about the real cases, but the guys who claim headaches, back problems… The usual scammers. Get into the real world, pal.

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          22. Mark November 2, 2013

            And for the 37th time, why are you telling me instead of the FBI or your local authorities? You true patriots are all mouth and no action. If you know of something wrong, and say nothing, then you are just as wrong as those who are cheating. So tell me, which law enforcement departments, if any, have you notified of this “fraud?”

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          23. foundingprinciples November 2, 2013

            Well, I now speak to the cases that are not “technical” fraud. I am not referring to the scammers who fake back problems, who claim to “try” to find work, who have a boyfriend living in unless the social worker comes by, etc.

            No, no, no. The people who actually make the cutoff but do not need it, and most do not. My wife and I were well below the cutoff for FOOD STAMPS at one point, and we never even CONSIDERED putting our hand out to ask the government to support and feed us. Too much self-respect. We did not even have a telephone or a television, but we would do without so the little we had could go to food instead of cable, beer, computers, new cars, eating out.

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          24. demz taters October 30, 2013

            yes the poor “have” air conditioning, the same way they “have” refrigerators and stoves – these are built into the homes they rent. Don’t you people even stop to think how ignorant you sound?

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          25. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            You miss the concept. The putative “poor” are living well with air conditioning. I have two lists that compare the supposed “poor” (people on the dole) to the rest of the responsible, moral, working people: There ain’t much difference! So, they have their computers, 200-channel cable, internet hookups, pets, etc., AND get FOOD STAMPS. The responsible working people are actually subsidizing those things like cable, computers, pets.

            Heck, I saw a really fat young woman in the check out line using that FOOD STAMP card, and she was buying DOG FOOD! She could afford the DOG FOOD because she could buy the regular food with FOOD STAMPS, and use her cash for cigarettes, beer and DOG FOOD. I saw the freakin’ dog, it was HUGE! Her “significant other” was waiting for her in a nice car in front of the entrance.

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        2. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

          Let’s take a look at welfare growth, shall we? Projected growth while we are at it.

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          1. Mark October 29, 2013

            People need assistance more then ever these days. Your corporate masters refuse to pay anyone a wage they can live on, instead, insisting on slave labor ( and yes, minimum wage, in today’s economy is slave wages.) then they scream at the top of their lungs over having to support all “those people” on welfare, food stamps, etc. You can’t have it both ways; you want people off of any type of government assistance, that’s admirable. Admirable, that is, if there are enough jobs paying LIVING WAGES so that people are not in need of government assistance. The same corporate thieves screaming the loudest, were the first ones to take their jobs to China.

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          2. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            People generally get the wages that fit. If they do not like the wages, they can simply go someplace else. Learn a skill. Better yet, stop spending money on cable TV, computers, iPods, pets, going out to eat, a nice car.

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          3. Mark October 30, 2013

            Your stupidity is showing. People collecting government assistance aren’t getting enough money to buy nutritious food, never mind an I-Pod, a nice car, or a restaurant meal. As to your second point, you are an arrogant asshole! The wages people collect are the minimum wages corporate America will pay anyone, in an effort to continue making obscene profits. They don’t have the IQ (much like you) to figure out that if 90% of the population starves! they’re next, since there won’t be enough people left to buy their products. You right wingers are consistent in your contempt for poor people. It’s all their fault that the economy under a certain incompetent president (no name necessary, we know who he is) went into the tank, leaving unemployment at its’ highest point since the depression. You further show your contempt by rebuffing President Obama’s every attempt to put out some sort of program to get people jobs. It is very clear that what you right wingers really want is a permanent underclass.

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          4. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            They have their flat-screen TVs, computers, etc. Heck, there are people right on these threads who are on the FOOD STAMP DOLE. Yet, they can afford a computer, have internet hook-up, and write about what is going on the cable TV news! AND they spend time on the computer instead of on looking for a job! I lived in a place that had over half of the people on welfare; I saw how they scammed and cheated and lied.

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          5. Mark October 31, 2013

            Look up how much someone on food stamps collects every month. Add together the cost of FOOD, flat screen televisions, computers, and everything else you mentioned, subtract that from the amount they are receiving every month, and if you can PROVE THIS as you are apparently indicating you can, then you need to dial up someone in law enforcement immediately, and give them names and addresses. Otherwise, you are just a hot air spewing, lying, stinking bag of crap.

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          6. foundingprinciples October 31, 2013

            In many cases, they actually are within the law, the guidelines. My wife and I qualified for FOOD STAMPS once, but we would never even fill out the application, never consider it. Never.

            We did not even have a television. Nor a telephone. Would not buy those things and such until we had the money. So, we would not take a handout from the government. Never.

            And the point is not fraud per se, but the attitude that people can have their cable TV, internet connections, pets, iPods and such, and still not have any compunctions about going on the FOOD STAMP DOLE. It shows a lack of self-respect, a rotted work ethic, and immoral behavior, of course.

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          7. Mark October 31, 2013

            Again, I ask how you know all these people who are spending their money on these things are on food stamps? For that matter, if this bothers you so much, why haven’t you done somethinyg about it? Could it be you really can’t prove what you’re complaining about?

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          8. foundingprinciples October 31, 2013

            I have data that shows the % of the putative “poor” who have all the modern conveniences. It is not much different from the rest of us. Yes, they have their cable TV, internet connections, pets, etc., and are still getting FOOD STAMPS from the working people.

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          9. Mark November 1, 2013

            You rectum, your “data” obviously comes from the retards at Fox News. Go online, look up food stamp recipients, and check out one study after another, all across the political spectrum, showing that 80% of food stamp recipients are seniors and children. I’m real sure that the priorities of both are most definitely not flat screen televisions, cable tv, and computers. Now go back to your cave until you can quote real, UNBIASED facts (which means you’ll have to get them somewhere other then Fox News or Rush Limbaugh.) Adults will handle the conversation from here on.

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          10. foundingprinciples November 1, 2013

            Obama lowered the qualifications. Children are not being taken care of by irresponsible parents in most cases. The parents should not be given a freakin’ thing. The children should be helped, of course, but not the parents.

            Yes, I have data that clearly show these putative “poor” mostly have cable TV, air conditioning, computer hookups. I would be ashamed to have those things and put out my hand to the government for FOOD STAMPS, essentially asking my neighbors to buy me food while I watch 200-channels, surf the net, and play with my pets.

            Sorry, but I do not get American television.

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          11. Mark November 2, 2013

            Again and again you rant and rave about this. If you really have evidence about this fraud, then as a true patriot (which you apparently believe you are) then you MUST turn said evidence over to the proper authorities. Otherwise, you are nothing but a loud mouthed, right-wing fraud. Again, put up or shut up!

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          12. foundingprinciples November 2, 2013

            SIXTH repetition: It is not always fraud, and I explained how the welfare scammers milk the system. They mess up job interviews and applications, deliberately, for example.

            They actually told me this. So, what am I to do – be a rat? “Tattle” on them? “Hey, he told me that he fakes the interviews.”

            Right. You obviously have no touch with any kind of reality. I lived among these people. What would happen? He would have to deny it, of course. Nothing could be proven. Then, there would be hell to pay later – fights, vandalized property, insults, etc. And on top of that, as soon as the word got out, nobody would tell me anything, of course.

            You must live a sheltered life.

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          13. Mark November 4, 2013

            You right wingers all live a sheltered life. If something can’t be proved, then what should we do…take your word that there is a crime? In the legal system, that’s called “hearsay”, and it doesn’t have any legal standing. No wonder, every time I asked if you had passed along your information to law enforcement, you bobbed and weaved away from answering. You are the fraud. Go away now.

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          14. foundingprinciples November 4, 2013

            I am not referring to crime per se. That is frequent, and I saw it literally dozens and dozens of times – the cheating, the scamming, the bragging about milking the system and fooling the social workers. But most adults on FOOD stamps and the government DOLE have absolutely no business being on it, even if they quality, of course.

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          15. Mark November 5, 2013

            If what you’re talking about isn’t a crime, then what is it? Taking federal money under false pretenses is a CRIME, and if you have evidence of this (as you have repeatedly stated you do) then DON’T TELL ME, TELL LAW ENFORCEMENT. Otherwise, you are just as guilty of fraud as the cheaters, since you are enabling them. Or, maybe you really don’t have any evidence, only you’re own opinion of wrong and right. As to your statement that “most adults on food stamps and the government “dole” have absolutely no business being on it”, what gives you the right to pass judgement on someone else? Do you know their circumstances with 100% certainty? I feel sorry for you. You claim to represent “founding principles” (your title on this page), yet you show absolutely no compassion for those less fortunate then you as this nation’s founders did. All you do is spout the usual Tea Party crap, “I’ve got mine, you can go to hell!” Must be amazing to be so righteous.

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          16. foundingprinciples November 5, 2013

            Put it this way: Years ago, my wife and I easily qualified for government benefits. We were so poor that we did not even have a television, not even a telephone! One old car and a bicycle.

            But we never put our hand out to the government. Never did, never will, either. Never.

            You are living a sheltered life if you think that while living in a place that has many welfare people and hearing them brag about faking back problems or messing up job applications deliberately – that I am going to “tattle” on them and go through possible depositions and live there among such people after that. You must be a teenager or college student. Or just living a sheltered life of some kind.

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          17. Mark November 6, 2013

            First off you dipshit, I am 58 years old and have been a working man my entire life. I make a good living, but do not turn my back on those less fortunate as you and the rest of the Tea Party dirtbags do every day. As to your second comment, I do not live in a sheltered world, but apparently, you do. It is very easy to throw stones from behind a fortress, but when you were asked to face your enemy head on, you ran like a little kid, mumbling excuses like “I’m not going to get caught up in depositions or live among people like that.” Put up or shut up asshole; either have the balls to back up your accusations, or just shut your hole. You are extremely tiresome.

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          18. foundingprinciples November 6, 2013

            It appears that your version of “not turning one’s back” is getting mommy government to bail out people. That has no basis in morals or ethics.

            Yes, you at least have perceptions of the world that show you have had a sheltered life. You are incapable of understanding the very environment in which I have lived, but about which you only pontificate.

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          19. Mark November 7, 2013

            When corporate America refuses to pay people a living wage, then if “mommy government” doesn’t step in, what are these people supposed to do, starve? Time after time, your Republican buddies (and from your attitude towards working people I can rightfully assume you are a Republican) have refused to allow legislation raising the minimum wage and forcing corporate America to pay a living wage to pass. All of you continue to strangle poor people, yet you are the first ones to stamp your feet, hold your breath until you turn blue, and scream that these people are leeches. You can’t have it both ways. Either people are paid enough to live on, or they will continue to need government assistance. Before YOU pontificate again, think long and hard about the cost of living now, as opposed to when you and your wife were heroically supporting yourselves on wages alone. Back in the day, this was the obvious way to live. Things are not so obvious anymore, except for one fact…wages have not kept pace with the cost of living for the longest time. I guarantee you, corporate America will keep it that way unless forced to change.

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          20. kmkirb November 7, 2013

            Mark, have you not figured out yet that IT does not care one iota about people. All IT cares about is IT, ITSELF, & THYNE, & that IT can survive while the children, the sick, the poor, the vets & the disabled go off quietly to die. IT most likely lives on IT’s caviar, steak, lobster, champagne, & expensive wine, but IT thinks $1.40 is TOO much money for a meal that some poor working stiff making minimum wage should receive while also trying to keep a roof over their heads, pay for transportation, education, all utilities, clothes, et al & probably supporting a family & works 2 or even 3 of those minimum wage jobs. And that they should also be stripped of any comforts even if they owned all of those things 1st before falling on hard times, such as what comes with age, the dirty deeds of Wall Street & the big banks, divorce, or huge medical bills, which all can attribute to wiping out everything one has ever worked for & built up in the entire lives.

            IT is nothing but the stingiest of slime balls since IT won’t even consider that these people also pay their taxes which also helps subsidize their meager benefits when they need some assistance. Bottom line, tax payers are receiving back some of what they paid in. And by receiving the help that they are getting increases the revenues, but IT has no brain. IT’s grey matter & heart is what is dead, not to mention stoooooooopid. IT needs put out to pasture a very long time ago, & made to live like the 48 million other Americans that are now FORCED to live this way.

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          21. Mark November 8, 2013

            True enough. My first clue should have been when IT, like all the other Republican/Tea Party slimeballs, refused to offer any solutions, only more criticism, and more “evidence” of fraud. I’m not living in a utopia where fraud doesn’t exist; just look at the U.S. Congress. If that isn’t the biggest fraud on the planet, I don’t know what is. My point, the one IT couldn’t understand, was you can’t punish all those in need because of the actions of a few. I think I drove it away when I suggested the way to get people off government assistance was to force corporate America to pay everyone a living wage. That idea makes IT want to vomit.

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          22. kmkirb November 8, 2013

            IT is nothing more than a cretin that probably gets paid to post IT’s sick, demented, ponerized pathocracy Mark. Talk about living off the dole!!!!, IT truly has no room to spew IT’s narcissistic venom & all IT’s evil in the utmost form. IT champions the robbers, thieves, & fraudsters of Wall Street, Big Banks, ALEC, Lobbyists, Congress, Big Oil, Big Ag, Big Pharma, et. al.

            They do not want solutions. They want to keep their billions & make them bigger & ever more growing off of us slaves who pay taxes, while they hide their riches in offshore banks who do nothing to make this country better in any way, shape, or form. They are the snakes that shed their skins who continually scream “MORE, MORE, MORE, for just ME, ME, & MINE.”

            No matter how many times a snake sheds it’s skin, it is still a snake, & that’s what IT is with IT’s evil forked tongue. IT & IT’s ilk is definitely not sheep in wolf’s clothing. Their evil is blatantly transparent, but many are never so more blind than those whom are deliberately choosing not to see, & continue to stay in denial at every turn.

            I do not condone violence, but we must rid ourselves of this evil. Frankly, their day will come, & all of their riches, gold, silver, & jewels aren’t going to save them. We shall persevere, & will finally have our heyday against the evil oppressors. We shall not succumb!

            To learn more & have a much better understanding, go here: http://ponerology.com/evil_2b.html

            And here:
            http://www.systemsthinker.com/interests/systemsthinking/humansystems/pathocracy.shtml

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          23. foundingprinciples November 7, 2013

            There is no “starvation,” of course. On the contrary, the putative “poor” are actually having a problem with obesity.

            I suggest that when the economy was good, people should have self-control and not indulge themselves in 200-channel cable TV, nice cars, iPods, texting, computer hookups, pets, going out to eat, etc.

            Instead, they should get in the habit of living BELOW their means. Then, as these habits build and accumulate, they will have something on which they can fall back: 1) Some savings, and 2) a disciplined lifestyle that deters one from claiming “victim” status and feeling ENTITLED to have others pay for one’s lack of responsibility and self-respect.

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          24. Mark November 8, 2013

            You really are a judgemental sort, aren’t you. A few cases of fraud (anything more and you would have been on Faux News and Limbaughger gleefully telling everyone about this “massive fraud” that you, the true patriot uncovered, and which was ignored by the evil overlords on the left. Tell me EXACTLY how many cases of fraud you PERSONALLY observed (and were too chickenshit to report to the authorities, and compare that number to the TOTAL number of people receiving food stamps. You are most likely trying to invent a major story, when in fact there is no more fraud here then there is in your wild accusations. As Wesley Snipes said in his movie “show me the money!)

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          25. foundingprinciples November 16, 2013

            Read this:

            “Louisiana Suspends EBT Cards For Malfunction Food Stamp Cheats”

            http://tammybruce.com/2013/11/louisiana-suspends-ebt-cards-for-malfunction-food-stamp-cheats.html

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          26. Mark November 18, 2013

            Why the continued dodging of my questions? I asked you to provide a number (you know, like 1,2,3 etc.) of exactly how many food stamp recipients you have observed buying flat screen televisions, computers, expensive cars, etc. Instead, you try directing me to other stories about supposed food stamp cheats, and still fail to answer my question. Could it be because, like every other Republicon in America, you see massive good stamp, welfare, voter fraud behind every corner in our country, when, in reality, the only thing massive is the amount of gas coming out of your mouth. One last time you giant gas bag…exactly how many cases of food stamp fraud have you PERSONALLY observed, versus the amount of food stamp recipients across the country. Does the idea of “probably less then 1%” ring any bells? Your move, blowhard.

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          27. foundingprinciples November 18, 2013

            Most people on FOOD STAMPS actually do have computers, cell phones, text messaging, air conditioning, DVD players, and so on.

            In other words, they actually have the money to pay the monthly bills (except for FREE OBAMAPHONES), and are STILL putting their hands out to working people for food.

            I could never do it. Neither could my wife. Too much self-respect. Would be ashamed to have 200-channel cable TV and be getting money from my fellow citizens (FOOD STAMPS).

            So, you go on, tell people that they are “entitled” to their FOOD STAMPS, along with the “right” to have cable TV, internet connections, text messaging, iPods, pets, etc., etc., etc., etc.

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          28. kmkirb November 18, 2013

            I just love putting one over on you people when I say I have self respect. Actually I have no respect for anyone, especially myself, since I consistently lie to each & everyone of you with my BS propaganda. I mean really, come on, LOL!

            Can’t you see that I know for a fact since I am a right wing worshiper that I know beyond any shadow of any doubt that those FREE OBAMAPHONES are nothing of the sort & most assuredly do NOT exist since the Lifeline program was invented under my King Reagan back in the 1984. And it was my King Reagan who started the ‘welfare queen myth’ when he was running for president. Heck, Reagan even admitted it himself in his biography. He stated & I quote, “I knew it wasn’t true, but I did it because it sounded good in order to gain me votes.”

            Ahh, but I left out some of the more important details when it comes to those NON-EXISTANT FREE OBAMAPHONES. The program was expanded upon under that despicable left winger Clinton, (who was really to the right of a centrist). And here’s the real kicker, the program was expanded upon again in 2008 under my 2nd King Bush II. The name of the program was Safelink & was launched as the first wireless provider under TracPhone.

            Now you know I can BS you all day long, & you’ll swallow it hook, line, & sinker. So don’t for a minute think that all that you owned before you fell on hard times means that you should keep it even though the Social Services Department completely disagrees with me.

            I feel if you had any necessities, comforts, or enjoyments in your life at all they should all be gotten rid of. And I don’t care if you bought them yourself or they were gifts before you fell on hard times. That includes the free Reagan/Clinton/Bush phones since I don’t want anyone to have anyway to communicate with you in an emergency, especially getting back in touch with you if you’re looking for employment.

            Throw out all your furniture, dishes, cookware, linens, radios, TV’s or any tech gadgets, kill the family pet, starve your damn children, sell your car even if you have to walk 20 miles to the nearest town, & make sure you work 5 or 6 jobs at minimum wage just so you can eat. And don’t forget to get rid of the AC in the summer time so you can literally die from the heat. And if that doesn’t work make sure you get rid of any heat you have for the winter so you can die from freezing. And make sure to sell all your clothes too, just don’t be caught naked anywhere, not even in the shower, as I’ll have you arrested for being lewd in public.

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          29. Mark November 19, 2013

            You amuse me greatly. For someone so worked up about “fraud” in this program, you flat out refuse to put up or shut up about this. I keep asking you for proof (you know, actual documentation), and all you keep coming up with are stories about all these people cheating. If you can PROVE your accusations, then do so. Otherwise, just shut up!

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          30. kmkirb November 18, 2013

            See my previous post which really outs this lying cretin. As long as he gets to eat his steak, lobster, & caviar, the rest of us are supposed to never enjoy a piece of candy or a scoop of ice cream ever again. IT thinks the sooner we’re all dead & gone, there will be more for IT. I got news for cold, black hearted, stingy, selfish IT. The rich will come for demon IT next, all the while IT was championing at the bit for the rich. BWHAHAhahahahahaha!!

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          31. tax payer October 30, 2013

            The only thing I have of that group is a computer and that’s it, so maybe that’s why I have so much money since I don’t waste it on junk. Just kidding I am not that rich, but have enough to make it until my Departure.

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          32. foundingprinciples October 31, 2013

            Yes. I cannot imagine having a computer hook-up, 200 channel cable, a decent car, a pet that I feed, an iPod, etc. – then thinking that I am “entitled” to get FREE FOOD by having the government take money from others. It is hard to imagine that mentality. I have seen it, but do not want to be around such people.

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      2. infadelicious October 29, 2013

        Government should ensure equal opportunity, not equal stuff

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        1. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

          Not even that. Just don’t let anyone or any institution stop people from pursuing what they think makes them happy. But liberals actually even have advocated for a federal department of happiness – to study what makes people happy. They actually have said that this is in the Constitution! If you are interested, I can find the article in Nation magazine, the magazine of the Left-winger “intellectuals!”

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    6. elw October 29, 2013

      Two jobs at minimum wage is still not enough to feed a family of four and keep a roof over their head. Surely you realize that not every one is lucky enough to be to able to work two jobs and not educated or smart enough to earn more then minimum wage.

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      1. tax payer October 29, 2013

        If both parents work 16 hours a day ( earning minimum wages ) that’s $4,640 a month, if the children are in school and have someone to look after them once they get home from school such as a grandparent. If there’s a will there’s a way. If they work eight hours a day that’s $2,320 a month. They can be with their children on the weekends.

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        1. elw October 29, 2013

          Tax payer how do you live with yourself?

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          1. tax payer October 29, 2013

            I live a good life, but had to work hard to live such a life, so why don’t other people try to do the same thing and not depend on you to feed them.

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          2. elw October 29, 2013

            That does not answer my question or explain where all your hate has come from. I am grateful for the good life I have lived and the education I got and paid for myself. But that does not keep me from having compassion for others who are not as lucky as I am. I understand that not every is as smart as I am nor as lucky.

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          3. tax payer October 29, 2013

            Pat yourself on the back because you have done what most people refuse to do. You have compassion, so go ahead and invite some of them to your home, and provide another free meal for them. Most of them think tax payers are so dumb for letting the Government provide for them.

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          4. elw October 29, 2013

            Are you so sure you know what most “of them think.” How many do you actually known.

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    7. demz taters October 30, 2013

      Stop believing stories told to children and grow the hell up. The Horatio Alger myth is just that – a MYTH. The fact is that millions of people work their asses off every single day and never get ahead because people like you seem to believe the poor need “tough love” while the “job creators” need endless coddling and buckets of money thrown at them. There is something seriously skewed and wrong with your way of thinking.

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      1. tax payer October 30, 2013

        You must be a Shrink to come out with that Assumption. A Black Market Shrink.

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  8. nobody2U October 29, 2013

    This is nothing but an attack on the poor, who are defenseless & unrepresented. Cutting food aid is just a drop in the bucket compared to corporate welfare which is where the big money goes. To corporations who make profit, our government feels it appropriate to give them more money. What do they do for Society? Nothing.

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    1. foundingprinciples October 29, 2013

      A family of four can now have an income of over $60,000 and still get FOOD STAMPS.

      200 percent of poverty level accepted to get food stamps –
      which states

      http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Memo/BBCE.pdf

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      1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

        Do you do anything but lie?? The SNAP program varies by state, and the likelihood that a family earning $60,000 could qualify for them is very remote if not impossible; here’s just a little bit of the prequalification in Texas:

        Low-income individuals and families in Texas may be eligible to receive SNAP benefits (formerly called food stamps) to help them buy food.

        Visit a Texas Health and Human Services Commission (HSSC) branch office if you meet any of the criteria for emergency assistance. Families with less than $150 in monthly income and less than $100 in resources, combined monthly income and resources equaling less than this month’s rent/mortgage and utilities, and seasonal or migrant workers with less than $100 in resources and low income may qualify for emergency benefits.
        Notice the words “may qualify for emergency benefits”. Quite a stretch for a family earning $60,000 to fit into these numbers don’t you think????

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        1. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

          Yes, it varies from state to state. But the Democrats have changed the qualifications as I mentioned. Go ahead and deny the truth. The truth remains. And some states have actually extended that, so that people with relatively high incomes can go on the FOOD STAMP DOLE.

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          1. Independent1 October 30, 2013

            You’re lying again. Identify for me one blue state that would even come close to allowing a family that makes $60,000 per year to qualify for food stamps. You’re lying is even making Cruz’s 75% lying rate look really good – you exceed 100% lying rate.

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          2. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            I already provided the data. I believe that North Carolina has increased the level at which people can get food stamps. Can’t give up that cable TV; Gotta get the FOOD STAMPS so I can have enough $ left to keep watchin’ them TV shows and drink my beer!

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          3. Independent1 October 30, 2013

            When’s the last time that North Carolina qualified as being a Blue State?? I can’t remember that far back if ever. But in any case, the qualifications for NC still prove you’re lying. In NC, the max income for a family of 4 is about $2,500/mo or $30,000/yr – a far cry from your grossly exaggerated $60,000. Here’s the specs from NC:

            Add your monthly income to see if you meet North Carolina income requirements. Income includes wages, child support, unemployment compensation or social security benefits from all adult members in the household. As of July, 2012, the standard monthly income limits were $1,180 for one person, $1,594 for two people and $2,008 for three. For each additional family member, the income limit was increased by $414.

            2. Participate in valid work activities. Able-bodied people between 18 and 49 with no dependent children must work at least 20 hours per week, or take part in vocational training. People who don’t meet this rule can only get food stamps three months in any 36-month period. The requirement doesn’t apply to pregnant or disabled persons, or those living in a declared area of economic hardship. Applicants must produce recent pay stubs, proof of enrollment in school, or training logs to pass this requirement.

            3. Calculate the value of your countable resources, including bank and vested retirement accounts. If you’re under age of 65 and not disabled, you may have a combined resource value of $2,000, as of July, 2012. Disabled or elderly applicants may have up to $3,250 in countable resources.

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          4. BillP October 30, 2013

            I check the link he referenced and there is no $ amount listed for any state just a % of the Federal poverty level. The website doesn’t mention how many people in the family either. What I found was a range for several states with a low of $2,552 and a high of $3,259 for a family of four. His $60,000 number may only apply if there is a family of ten. Again he is either making up facts or distorting the real data.

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          5. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            I wrote I thought it was NC. I presented the facts; the requirements are easier now. More and more leeches are getting on the dole.

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          6. Independent1 October 30, 2013

            And by the way nitwit, what does people having cable TV or not have to do with qualifying for Food Stamps?? Qualification for food stamps is based on income – not on what you spend your money for. And if you’re earning $30,000 and have a family of four, you definitely need assistance with feeding the family, whether you scrimp your pennies or enjoy at least something virtually everyone else considers a staple.

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          7. tax payer October 30, 2013

            That’s why these people should have only one child, if they earn $30,000, so there’ll be no need to ask for Food Stamps.

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          8. Independent1 October 30, 2013

            So now, according to the rule of ‘tax payer’, couples must determine the size of their families based on what corporations dictate as to the salaries they’re willing to pay their slave labor, and what the rest of the companies that a couple has to look to in order to purchase everything they need to survive leaves them for buying food for their family. Is that it?? What utter crap!!!!!!!!

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          9. tax payer October 30, 2013

            $30,000 is a lot of money and people that earn that much shouldn’t have to be asking for benefits, if they have one or two children. That’s $2,500 a month and it pays bills, and provides meals for the entire family.

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          10. Independent1 October 30, 2013

            $30,000 a year to support a family of 4 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY when a couple is trying to raise 2 kids!! And especially depending on their ages. There are a lot of factors involved – you simply cannot make a blanket statement like that!!

            And remember, if as you brought up earlier, the couple chose to only have 1 child – then they would only qualify for SNAP if they earned $24,000/yr or less; and with no kids, they’d have to be earning $18,000 or less to qualify.

            $30,000 might remotely be adequate if the couple was living in the poorer sections of America but I’m not sure that’s the case for couples living in North Carolina, it’s not an especially expensive state but I’m sure a family of 4 living in NC would find it much easier to adequately feed their family with SNAP assistance.

            And the idea here (with SNAP) is to ensure that people have enough to eat to ensure they stay healthy and don’t eventually end up with health problems that could end up costing the government far more money in paying for the treatment of those problems. That’s what many people who criticize SNAP and other assistance programs don’t seem to get – many of these programs have been created to actually save the government money in the long term, by providing the support people need to live healthier more productive lives, which hopefully will reduce the need for them requiring more expensive help down the road.

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          11. tax payer October 31, 2013

            Saving money for the tax payers is just what this is all about. The Government has money, but only because the tax payers give the money to the Government and not by choice. Taxes are going up the roof and tax payers are feeling the effect since they have to dish out more for others to eat more. Sure, eating candies, cookies, and junk food is going to make everyone ( Very ) Healthy. Medicaid pays for the Dental Problems of the poor children, while we have to pay cash since most insurance don’t cover dental work unless you pay extra.

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          12. Independent1 October 31, 2013

            Taxes are going through the roof?? Really?? Take a look at the actual average tax rates that Americans pay – and then I’ll give you a list of what Europeans pay – and then come back and tell me that for Americans, taxes are going through the roof:
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            According to new data from the IRS, people who make $1 million or more had an average tax rate of 20.4 percent in 2010. Tax filers who earned $30,000 to $50,000 paid an
            average rate of 4.8 percent, while those who made between $50,000 and $100,000 paid 7.7 percent. Those making under $30,000 had a negative effective rate, meaning they paid no federal income taxes after deductions and credits.

            Here’s another little gem for you, as income gets over 1.5 million the average rate people pay actually goes down:

            According to the IRS, average tax rates increase as income increases — until you get to around $1.5 million in annual income. Once you make $2 million, average tax rates start to decrease. The average tax rate peaks at 25.1 percent for those making between $1.5 million and $2 million.

            I’m back, the average American (those earning under $50,000) actually pays an income tax rate of under 5%. Admittedly, since that’s an average, many pay more but many pay less.

            And note that the really wealthy actually end up paying less than those that are ‘not so wealthy’; and that’s because the really wealthy don’t get most of their income from ‘working’.

            And like Mitt Romney, they’re so wealthy they know how to play all the games that cut their taxes even more.

            Now, compare those less than 5 and less than 8 percent actual tax rates Americans pay to this list of European country taxes where the countries don’t have all the convoluted exemptions, deductions and other loop holes that America’s tax code has – and keep in mind that on top of the income tax, the European VAT is charged on virtually everything they buy and sometimes that they use: (Note too that the majority of the really popular European countries have rates that exceed 40 and 50%):

            European Countries’
            Income/Vat/Capital Gains
            Tax Rates

            Austria – 50%/20%/0%
            Bulgaria -10%/20%/10%
            Croatia – 40%/25%/0%
            Cyprus – 35%/17%/20%
            Czech Rep – 15%/21%/15%
            Denmark – 55.4%/25%/32%
            Estonia – 21%/20%/21%
            Finland – 53%/24%/28%
            France – 75%/17.6%/33%
            Germany – 45%/ 19%/0%
            Georgia – 12%/19%/?
            Greece – 45%/23%/10%
            Hungary – 16%/27%/16%
            Ireland – 41%/23%/20%
            Italy – 45%/21%/0%
            Latvia – 23%/21%/15%
            Liechtenstein – 17.89%/8%/0%
            Luxembourg – 38.95%/15%/19.48%
            Malta – 35%/18%/12%
            Netherlands – 52%/21%/1.20%
            Norway – 54.3%/25%/28%
            Poland – 32%/23%/0%
            Portugal – 46.5%/23%/15%
            Romania + 16%/24%/0%
            Russia – 13%/18%/30%
            Slovakia – 19%/20%/19%
            Slovenia – 41%/20%/10%
            Spain – 52%/21%/18%
            Sweden – 56.6%/25%/30%
            Switzerland – 45.5%/8%/0%
            Turkey 35%/18%/0%
            Ukraine – 17%/20%/1.00%
            United Kingdom – 45%/20%/28%
            U.S. – 39.6%/Varies1/ Varies2

            Varies1: U.S. sales taxes (Vat in Europe) vary from
            NONE in several states to a high of 7.5 in Calif.
            Varies2: After 2012, dividends will be taxed at the taxpayer’s ordinary income tax rate, regardless of his or her tax bracket. After2012, the long-term capital gains tax rate will be 20% (0% for taxpayers in the 10% and 15% tax brackets).

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          13. Independent1 October 31, 2013

            “Taxes are going up the roof” – what garbage!! Now you make more than $400,000?? Because it’s only those making over $400,000/yr that have had a tax increase in the past 13 years – so how can taxes be “going up the roof”?

            You realize don’t you that people making up to $100,000/yr average paying less than 8% of their gross income in income tax??? And those paying under $50,000 average paying less than 5% – and you call this “going up the roof”??

            When virtually every European country that Americans would really like to live in, require that you pay over 40% and they don’t have all the convoluted exemptions, deductions and loop holes that let’s American pay far less than the maximum rates. And on top of the 40% many of them add on a VAT tax that exceeds 15-20% which is virtually charged on everything you buy and/or just use.

            Even those earning over $1,000,000 pay on average around 20% even though America’s max rate is now 39.6% – only those who choose not to hire accountants who can whittle that number down pay anything close to even 33%.

            I’m not implying that paying taxes is fun, but Americans really have no leg to stand on in saying ‘taxes are going up the roof”!!!!

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          14. foundingprinciples October 30, 2013

            {what does people having cable TV or not have to do with qualifying for Food Stamps??}

            Everything! How can you NOT see that?

            It is soooo simple. Why do I have to break it down for you to understand?

            OK, here goes. I will use easy words. I will write short sentences, too.

            Person A has cable TV.

            He pays a monthly fee. Possibly up to $100, maybe $70.

            He has enough money to pay for this.

            Even though he has enough money, he is asking other citizens to GIVE him food.

            Summary: He pays for Cable TV and gets the government to take money from others to pay for his food.

            It is not only cable TV, but many other things: His pets, his iPod connection, his internet service, his texting messages, etc.

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          15. BillP October 30, 2013

            Independent founding used the tax foundation.org website to try to prove that the top 1% and 5% pay a tax rate of over 30%. I used this website and found that the average effective tax rate for these brackets was 23.39% and 20.64%. Some of his data may be real but like all good conservatives he cherry-picks what seems to make his point. He likes to declare his data as incontrovertible but on inspection is not the whole picture.

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        2. tax payer October 30, 2013

          A family that may have an income of $60,000.00 may qualify because the person earning that income may just live with the family and his income doesn’t count as part of the ( application for food stamps ) for the income of the family. This is a Loophole that makes many qualify since no one knows about that secret income. Remember ( single female parents ) need a lover to make breed more children. Fraud is the word to best describe this kinds of arrangements.

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          1. Independent1 October 30, 2013

            Sorry, cheating doesn’t count as the creep claimed that states had actually changed their rules that will allow families earning $60,000 to qualify for SNAP – which is a blatant lie – which of course is standard operating procedure for GOP politicians and those who worship them.

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      2. kmkirb October 30, 2013

        I just do not want to see anybody be able to make a go of it, no matter what or how, when they are down & out. Don’t you get it? I am a shameless hussy prostitute whore for the big corporations, & do not want to see most of civilization survive, or hell for that matter even sub exist; that way I can have my more, more, MORE just for ME.

        Darn, what even more of you seem to miss is that as long as I am bashing any reasonable & responsible human being here on these threads, I get paid more & more for my non-work ethics. That’s why I’ve always advocated & even dictated that if you’ve fallen on hard times you should just put your family pet & even your own children down [to sleep] permanently, & then just go live in a cardboard box, & even that would be too good for you.

        I am a true believer in that only I matter, & the rest of you absolutely don’t matter one iota. That’s just the way it is. It’s crazy to be so blunt, but I am just better than you, & it feels exhilarating to be clear about it & announce it out loud. Because I am so superior I feel all of you should be eliminated.

        But shhh, don’t tell anyone I said this, most white folk who lean extremely to the right in politics are the one’s on the dole, but I still advocate the death of them all.

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    2. tax payer October 30, 2013

      They provide good paying jobs to many Americans, so what else is expected from them?

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      1. nobody2U October 30, 2013

        They could stop accepting any & all corporate welfare, that would be a good start, or how about paying a living wage rather then forcing workers into starvation.

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        1. tax payer October 30, 2013

          A four year Degree gets you a good living wage, even if it takes them twelve years they can do it. My brother took six years to get his since he had to work and go to college at the same time. Now, he earns a good income, but has to pay more taxes, so the poor won’t die of starvation.

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          1. nobody2U October 31, 2013

            Tell me “tax payer” did you serve your Country in a War? Do you even know what it is like to be a Veteran?

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          2. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            He’s A Troll And More Than Likely Just Another Draft Dodger!!

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          3. tax payer October 31, 2013

            No, I didn’t serve, but was drafted and as you should know ( the Government doesn’t take every son ); if the father is deceased. So the Vietnam conflict was History when my brother came back and all the Americans were mad at the soldiers for being in Vietnam or have you forgotten how they were treated in their return.

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          4. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

            NO!!

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  9. elw October 29, 2013

    It is sad day when one of the Richest Counties of the world starts taking food out of the mouths of children, the poor,old and disabled. It makes me actually feel a bit sick. Surely we can find the money, come on all you multi- billionaires, surely you can each chip in a million or so to keep our less fortunate citizen eating.

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    1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

      Especially when they separated the legislation that’s making the drastic cuts, from legislation that they crafted which has continued to funnel billions of taxpayer dollars to companies that make billions in profits and don’t really need the taxpayer subsidies that these hypocites are funneling them.

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      1. elw October 29, 2013

        Why else would they be spending so much time talking about technical glitches, it distracts people from real problems like hunger and the inequalities that exist in this Country. They are much more than hypocrites, they are heartless charlatans.

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        1. Lynnette Gentry October 29, 2013

          Exactly And Like They Don’t Know You Can Join This Program (The ACA) 4 WAYS!! They Just Love To Bitch About Everything But Yet They Have Done Nothing To Help This Country Nor The People That Live Here!!! NOTHING BUT KEEP UP A LOT OF MESS!!! 🙁

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          1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

            And none of them brings up the fact that when the Bush Administration unveiled the Medicare Part D system, it was such a disaster that it took 6 months to get it working correctly. And the Medicare Part D website only had to serve those on Medicare which was a much less complex situation and with fewer wanting to access it than what the ACA website has had to try and serve.

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    2. tax payer October 30, 2013

      That’s why we pay taxes. If you were a Billionaire I can bet you wouldn’t put down millions to help those that don’t care to help themselves.

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      1. elw October 30, 2013

        “If” is a big word and so is your leap to bet something about someone you do not even know. You have nothing to base you perspective on what I would do “if” I was a billionaire which really makes your statement just empty thoughts. But, that is nothing new.

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  10. MaatMenNefer October 29, 2013

    Most of the GOP calls themselves ‘Christians’….’As you do unto the least of these, so you do unto me’…Teabaggers…starving Jesus and proud of it!

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    1. Independent1 October 29, 2013

      Any resemblence between a GOP lover and a true Christian is a figment of their imagination. In reality, the GOP is America’s largest antiChristian organization.
      Conservative Christian is an oxymoron. Jesus WAS NO CONSERVATIVE!!!

      By definition, in making every decision, conservatives weigh first how a decision will affect them – while Jesus clearly taught us to THINK OF OTHERS ABOVE OURSELVES!!! Therefore, a true Christian must determine first how everything we do will affect the betterment of someone else, before we determine how the decision will affect ourself.

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      1. MaatMenNefer October 29, 2013

        So true and well said…in our sad world today there is a huge scope for people to demonstrate their fidelity to the principles of a religion that has been misinterpreted by too many of its ‘believers’!

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      2. nirodha October 30, 2013

        I think that if you examine the life and teachings of Jesus, in today’s world he would be considered a socialist. (I mean that in a positive sense). 500 years before Jesus, the Buddha taught that caste (social class) is meaningless, and that everyone should have food, clothing, shelter and medical care, so I guess that Jesus shared some of the Buddha’s philosophy of socialism.

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    2. infadelicious October 30, 2013

      this is very nice! you lefties have shuffled the deck of cards, first card up is a race card…..doesn’t work anymore?…….deal another one……..oh lookee, it’s the “not Christian enough ” judgement card…….try again…there is no defense for the president’s epic failure on almost everything he touches. Obama lied..and my health insurance plan died…

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      1. MaatMenNefer October 30, 2013

        I am sorry your health insurance plan ‘died’..can you get another? But doesn’t it make sense to make health insurance more affordable to people who are not able to afford it otherwise? I would totally prefer the single payer system used by all advanced industrial countries in the world…it is a shame we are living in a devloving democracy going from 1st world to 3rd world.

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  11. I Zheet M'Drawz October 29, 2013

    More States Shifting Welfare Control to McDonald’s

    CHICAGO—For the past four years, the first of the month meant one thing to Chicago single mother LaTonya Mitchell: It was the day she could cash her monthly welfare check for $618—barely enough to cover her own expenses, much less purchase clothes, school supplies and double cheeseburgers for her five children.

    Hamburger Help.

    But all that changed on Oct. 20, 1997. In a welfare-privatization experiment closely watched across the U.S., the Illinois legislature approved a bill to radically revamp the state’s AFDC system and transfer welfare control to the McDonald’s Corporation, giving Mitchell and 712,000 other Illinois residents living below the poverty line “a well-deserved break today.”

    According to Illinois governor Jim Edgar, the partnership between fast food and public assistance makes solid sense. “As hard as the government has tried, the reality is, McDonald’s better understands and is better equipped to meet the needs of America’s poor than the outdated federal welfare bureaucracy is,” Edgar said. “McDonald’s deals with millions of unskilled, destitute people every day—it feeds them, employs them, clothes them, and gives them shelter in its spacious, sanitary seating areas.”

    Edgar said McDonald’s will provide those living below the poverty line with a number of benefits each month, including a cash stipend; a book of 25 McFood Stamps redeemable for Big Macs and other sandwich items; immunization for children; and, for pregnant mothers, collectible Flubber cups.

    Felix Melanson, McDonaldland Secretary of Health and Human Services, said those with dependents will also receive special scratch-and-win welfare game pieces.

    “Here at McDonald’s, we strongly believe that poor people deserve a chance,” Melanson said. “And we give them just that—a one-in-three chance to win great prizes like soft drinks, official NBA game gear, trips to Disney World, and a grand prize of a free McMedicard, good for an entire year’s worth of subsidized, low-cost health care.”

    McDonaldAid recipients will also be provided with on-site day care for their children. By March 1998, Melanson said, every location will be equipped with a McDonald’s Playland, enabling single mothers like Mitchell to look for a job while their children are looked after in a safe, cashier-supervised play area.

    “Welfare recipients deserve the same secure, reliable day care for their children that other parents enjoy,” Melanson said. “That’s why we’ve made sure that all Playlands are situated in full view of the registers.”

    According to Melanson, what makes the new, privatized system different is its emphasis on “personal responsibility and self-help.” Recipients, he said, “will be required to work up to five hours a week and attend job-training instructional-video presentations in order to remain eligible for McDonaldAid.”

    A McDonaldAid welfare office on Chicago’s Dearborn Avenue.

    Welfare recipients’ duties at McDonald’s will include light lifting, cup and straw restock, and mopping. Further, all recipients who use the bathroom will be required to wash their hands thoroughly before returning to work.

    “The idea here is independence, not dependence,” Melanson said. “This is not a handout: These people will be responsible for everything from refilling ketchup dispensers to busing their own tables when they’re done eating. They are also responsible for keeping their own uniforms clean and presentable.”

    While the Illinois privatization plan has been widely praised by many welfare-reform advocates, it does have its detractors. According to state Sen. James Ory (R-Carbondale), the delicious taste of McDonald’s food will encourage many people to remain on McDonaldAid rather than look for jobs.

    “We need to provide incentives for people to get off welfare. This food does just the opposite,” said Ory, co-sponsor of a bill setting a six-piece cap on McNuggets orders for welfare recipients and limiting them to sweet-and-sour sauce only. “Those who are not interested in finding work will take advantage, feeding off the system and its tasty cheeseburgers and fries.”

    Responding to Ory, McDonald’s officials said that a number of deterrents have been built into the new system to prevent people from abusing it.

    “We want to help people, but we don’t want it to become a lifestyle,” said Justin N. King, McDonaldland Secretary of Urban Affairs. “That’s why one key feature of McDonaldAid is a strict 30-minute time limit on loitering in the seating area. While eating at McDonald’s restaurants, welfare recipients will be expected to make an earnest effort to chew and swallow at all times. If they cease eating at any point during their stay in the restaurant, or remain in the restaurant beyond the allotted 30-minute time limit, they will find themselves out on the street.”

    Further, to discourage recipients from having additional children just to receive extra food items, condiments will be removed from sandwiches on a sliding scale according to number of dependents. For example, for those with five children, the second child’s Big Mac will come without special sauce; the third child’s without special sauce and lettuce; the fourth child’s without special sauce, lettuce and cheese; and the fifth child’s without special sauce, lettuce, cheese and pickles. Those with more than five children will be ineligible for even the onions and sesame-seed bun, receiving two all-beef patties only.

    In addition, McDonaldAid recipients will not be eligible for refills once they have left the restaurant premises. “Ours is a strict ‘one-visit-per-cup’ refill policy,” King said.

    So far, the privatization experiment is proving successful. In 1996, the Illinois welfare system operated at a loss of $1.2 billion, but since taking over welfare, McDonald’s has operated at a surplus of $420 million in Illinois. Other states have taken notice as well: Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia and Oregon are all considering similar fast-food-based welfare programs, and negotiations are already under way between California and El Pollo Loco.

    But it is America’s poor who stand to benefit the most. “Before, I didn’t have anything. Now I have a roof over my head, day care for my kids and Quarter Pounders With Cheese every night,” Chicago’s Mitchell said. “Plus, my manager says I have potential, and, within six months, I can look forward to becoming part of the McDonald’s team. For the first time, I actually have a future. This is my welfare system.”

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    1. MaatMenNefer October 29, 2013

      I suppose this isn’t satire? Mac Donald’s food is also incredibly unhealthy..as was demonstrated in the movie ‘Super Size Me’ where a healthy guy ate noting but McDonald’s food for a month and suffered terrible health effects! If this is Reality…there is no future worth living for…

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      1. Lynnette Gentry October 30, 2013

        Jim Edgar Was A GOP Governor That Explains This Nonsense That’s Why We Got Rid Of His Butt!! Yes MaatMenNefer Micky D’s Is Fast Food Poison!! It Will Make You Sick There’s No Doubt About That!!! 🙁

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    2. nirodha October 29, 2013

      Well done, Z! More Swiftian every time!

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    3. tax payer October 30, 2013

      No thank you. I’ll pass on a McDonald.

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  12. midway54 October 29, 2013

    What a revealing session is being held on this thread. Infadelicious, tax payer, and founding principles (what founding and what principles go undisclosed) are demonstrating just how successful the plutocrats and their media and political stooges have been in harvesting perhaps millions of dolts with little comprehension and surely a distinct absence of critical thought. Off they go to vote against their own interests and willingly become victims of the plutocrats’ political steamroller Operation Phornicate.

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  13. midway54 October 29, 2013

    What a revealing session it has been on this thread. Infadelicious, tax payer, and founding principles (what founding and what principles are undisclosed) have been demonstrating just how successfully the plutocrats and their political flunkies have been in their recruitment of perhaps millions of characters of questionable literacy. distorted comprehension, and bereft of critical thought. Out they go to vote against their own interests and thereby become victims of the plutocracy’s political steamroller, Operation Phornicate.

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    1. nirodha October 29, 2013

      Very well put, Midway. The black money put forth by the plutocracy, aided by such abominations as Citizens United, goes to fund shadowy subversive groups with patriotic-sounding names (e.g. “Americans for Prosperity”, et al.) which are designed to further enrich the 1% at the expense of almost everyone else. I’m pretty sure that those three parties to whom you refer in the first line of your post, and others of similar persuasion, are not 1%ers. Hence, I would venture to say that they are unwittingly abetting the plutocrats. They like to imagine that these values that they espouse are original thoughts, motivated and informed by their own political and sociological ideologies. But, since I tend to believe that most people, left to their own devices, are inherently good, and these ideologies that they spout are inherently evil, then I conclude that these three individuals, and (unfortunately) many others like them, have been taken in by the oligarchy which is well on its way to monopolizing the business of America. In a word, these folks are stooges.

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      1. midway54 October 30, 2013

        Amen, with emphasis!

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      2. tax payer October 30, 2013

        What you don’t understand is there are people that can make it, but won’t do it since the tax money is there to provide for them. Who wants to work 45 years of their life and die before they retire, so the best thing to do is retire now, and let the tax payers take care of you and the family. I worked 45 years and made it, so are you trying to state ( others shouldn’t do it ), and just depend on the tax payers and be retired at age 21.

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        1. nirodha October 31, 2013

          What you don’t understand is what I was saying in my post. Please re-read the post, it’s about people like you, spouting stuff like you did in response to my post, and in so doing, unwittingly supporting the goals of the Koch brothers and their kind.

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    2. demz taters October 30, 2013

      They whine all day about the tyranny of government while fighting tooth and nail to give their employers even more power and control over their lives and their environment. I mean listen to them – they actually argue for the right to be paid LESS in the name of LIBERTY or something. They have no understanding of history and what life was like in America when we had the regulatory structure that they think they want. Of course, then they’d blame liberals like always.

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    3. kmkirb October 30, 2013

      Thank you for saying my thoughts midway54. Spot on. I really don’t have the time nor energy to go into all of this this eve. If you’d like to skim through the posts, & only catch up with what I said to these three self-serving, self-absorbed, believing their better than everyone else upon their high stumps, please do so. Honestly, in this mortal life we all live upon this planet, they can continue with their mental midget limiting beliefs that nothing will ever change in their lives, but I hope they get smited very soon & very swiftly. Bet they change a tune or two then, but frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn. Reality can be a real bitch when it walks right up & slaps you in the face when you least expect it. I hope they get all that’s coming to them, & then some with fungus on top. Their stench really stinks!!

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      1. Lynnette Gentry October 30, 2013

        They Are Nothing But Koch Brothers Butt Suckers!!! 🙁 TROLLS!! Amen Kmikirb!!! 🙂

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  14. tax payer October 29, 2013

    If you want to eat ( work ) or marry into Wealth or maybe marry someone that doesn’t believe in getting something for doing nothing.

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    1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

      Taxpayer, when did work become a dirty word?

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      1. tax payer October 29, 2013

        When someone is forced to work knowing they hate the word and to work.

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      2. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

        You are a dirty word and and dirty pric.

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        1. infadelicious October 29, 2013

          i guess i hit a nerve? so you don’t work?

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      3. demz taters October 30, 2013

        Nobody in America works harder than the working poor.

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        1. tax payer October 30, 2013

          Ha, ha, and ha.

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    2. Justin Napolitano October 29, 2013

      You filth POS. You want the handicapped, retired veterans and children to work in order to eat. Please go fuc yourself you selfish asshol#.

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      1. tax payer October 29, 2013

        Handicapped people get a monthly check. Retired veterans also should be getting a monthly check. Children should have parents, so the parents need to be there for them and make sure they have food to eat. What language! Did you learn it at the Welfare Office??

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    3. demz taters October 30, 2013

      The average Wal-Mart represents a $1 million a year burden to the taxpayer in the form of government aid paid to people whose wages are so low that they qualify for help despite being employed. Instead of kicking people when they’re down, why don’t you ask why one of America’s wealthiest families can’t pay people enough so that they don’t have to turn to the government simply to eat? Oh, because you’re a “conservative,” that’s right, it’s not in your nature to do anything but sneer and feel superior.

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  15. mandinka October 29, 2013

    These are dumb cuts. They should eliminate the 20 million that were added under Barak. Including Illegals, crooks, con men, and those who won’t work

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  16. howa4x October 29, 2013

    The republicans have become a party of atheists, unmoored from any religious teachings. Even in Islam which they despise there is alms for the poor. They forget that Jesus made bread for the masses and not the wealthy. They have become a group of angry older white men who practice hatred shrouded in law. They would rather have a tax cut for corporate jets than feed a hungry mouth. They suck up to wicked people like the Koch’s who want them to create a work for less economy, and the Walton’s with 115 billion in family income can’t even give a living wage to their employees. What is the problem, do the republicans think they can’t afford it? They are ruthless, heartless people. By following their lead the GOP will alienate larger groups of people.. In a work for less economy government is the safety net. if you’re going to have that type of economy the workers need to be subsidized. A large number of these workers are Latinos and minorities with a large number of women mixed in. Between this and the unwillingness to enact meaningful immigration reform the GOP is digging a giant hole that I doubt they will emerge from even with all their Koch money.

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    1. MaatMenNefer October 29, 2013

      ‘the republicans have become a party of Atheists, unmoored from any religious teachings’…? I beg to differ..the republicans clearly have a religion..the three reversed 5-pointed (upside down) stars on their Official Elephant Logo show their true allegiance…to the Dark Powers…’by their fruits shall you know them’ and they have been slinging some pretty bloody and rotten ‘fruit’ around for decades…republicans…Party of Satan!

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      1. Lynnette Gentry October 30, 2013

        That’s Exactly Who They Are!! Thank You My Friend For Pointing This Out!! 🙂 The Only GOD The GOP/Tea Party Believe In Is SATAN!! That Why They Do All These Evil Things They Do!! I Have To Be At The VA Hines Here In Illinois Everyday Now For My Husband Treatments For 2 Months And The VETS ARE BOILING MAD AT THE GOP/TEA PARTY THEY VOW TO NEVER VOTE FOR NONE OF THOSE DEMONS EVER AGAIN IN LIFE!!!! And The Same With The VETS At Jesse Brown VA!!

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        1. MaatMenNefer October 30, 2013

          Spread the word around; it is truly amazing that so few people really see those downward pointing starson the Elephant Logo!

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  17. oldtack October 29, 2013

    On Sept 20th I had the “honor” of being on the floor at the Capitol and observing the gathering together of all the idiots that infest the halls of Congress as they prepared to vote on the 41st or 42nd attempt to shut down the Affordable Care Act with the open acknowledgement that the Senate would refuse their demands and that the Government would shut down. They knew the outcome before they ever sent this garbage to the Senate but they gleefully did it and gladly shut down the government.

    Got news for all of you. You do not have representatives or Senators in Washington. We all have a group of individuals (both parties) that are only interested in two things. Their own fame and fortune and a desire to walk lock step with the desires and dictates of the ones that provide the money for their campaigns. Reference – Ted Cruz and his “appearance” at the Memorial on the Sunday of the million Vet march. The head of one of the Washington based conservative coalitions Drew Ryun stated: Ted Cruz did exactly what we that elected him expected him to do”. ???? These people are from Washington DC and area anf THEY elected Ted Cruz? And all this time the disillusioned republican voters of Texas thought they were the ones that elected him.

    The radicals are in charge even though they are a minority and they expect everyone to walk lock-step on any issue or risk being targeted for replacement.by the Conservative Power Brokers.

    Now where have we heard that word “lock step” before.? Read the Political history of Germany from 1919 to 1945. The National Socialist Party did to the German government exactly what the Tea Party radicals are now doing to the United States government. It is eerie.It is the same modus operanda year by year as though they are reading from a script. History repeating itself and no one is aware. How quick we do forget.

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  18. Bucky Badger October 29, 2013

    ok…. first of all, if they have a graph showing the cutbacks in the SNAP program, why not a graph showing what the benefits are for a family of 1, 2, 3, 4, and what about 5, 6, 7,8 ? There is a reason they DIDN’T show this. If you use their numbers of 1.40 per meal, that is 126 dollars a month. So ,,, according to them, that’s 500 dollars a month for a family of four…. AFTER the cut. Add to that, the SHARE program, St. Vincent De Paul, Paul’s Pantry, 30 % of income for a nice house, energy assistance, WIC, Healthy Baby, Coats for Kids, Fall School Supplies, Good Will, Christmas for Kids, and it is apparent that if the poor take advantage of every program available to them, it’s not a bad deal. Add Medicaid and it’s an OMG MOMENT. It is the working poor that get screwed … ten dollars an hour gets 1600 dollars a month less taxes/medicare/social security equals MAYBE 1200 dollars … and that leaves the working poor with NO incentive to work because they can do better taking advantage of every assistance program available. Spend your time eliminating fraud in the programs, and reward those who are trying to make their own way … instead of crying “Wolf!”

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  19. Pamby50 October 30, 2013

    I don’t feel like waxing poetic. May they all rot in hell for cutting food stamps.

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    1. Lynnette Gentry October 31, 2013

      Or Slow Burn In Hell I Pray For These Poor Struggling People Trying To Make Ends Meet And I Hope All These GOP/Tea Party Demons Reap What They Have Sowed!! 🙁

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  20. Bryan Blake October 30, 2013

    Wealth and its power throughout history has always stood upon the stooped and fractured backs of those of us who labor for our subsistence. The current Republican ideas concerning labor are time tested techniques of oppressing We The People. I was born in 1948 to parents who grew up during the Great Depression. My father’s side of the family was extremely poor. My father, his brother and my grandparents lived in a two room house with 14 other relatives. The house had no running water and an outhouse. My mother’s side were much better off. Her grandparents owned a small family farm which provided them with milk, cheese, eggs and meats. Both sides of the family had gardens. My father’s mother canned vegetables and meat on “shares” to supplement the family’s food supply. My mother grew up in a small town that was in an area that experienced an extended “oil boom” during most of the Depression. My grandfather owned a small grill and also worked as the projectionist for the local theatre. He and my grandmother would find work for many of the hobos that were passing through in search of work. Their pay was usually in a meal or two. There were simply many many times the number of men traveling by boxcar to find jobs than were available.

    My grandfather on my father’s side took off across Texas to harvest crops and send money back home. The able bodied men in the family went with him or in other directions to earn money. My father and his older uncles and even ill grandfather would hunt and fish to provide meat for the family. Armadillos, opossums, raccoons, rabbits and other small game were the staple meats along with fish. It was truly a hand to mouth existence.

    So where does an unemployed Houstonian hunt to feed his/her children?
    Will Central Park feed New York’s hungry children? What about the untold acres of paved land surrounding Atlanta?

    It always gets down to: “My kids deserve to eat! Yours do not! You are poor and deserve your fate. What was that? No We DID NOT cause the economic mess that costs millions their jobs and seniors their life savings. Don’t you DARE BRING JESUS into this. He does not care for the poor. Don’t believe the Bible. IN FACT Jesus had a part-time job selling booth spaces at the Temple. If Obamacare had been around Jesus would have lost his job!” Unfortunately, with extreme right wing Christians he has anyway.

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  21. tax payer October 30, 2013

    I buy a new computer every year and donate the old one to Goodwill, so I am helping the less fortunate, so maybe I am not that bad as other may think I am. Goodwill sells them for too much money, so only someone with money can buy them.

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  22. tax payer October 31, 2013

    My neighbor gets over $900 in Food Stamps and she sure is mad it’ll be about $830 as of tomorrow.

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