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It Has Come To This: Donald Trump Vs. The Pope

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Donald Trump is aiming ever higher on his list of political enemies. The latest: Pope Francis, who has suggested that Trump is “not Christian” — to which The Donald has responded that Francis will only wish he had been president “if and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS.”

During a phone appearance last week on the Fox Business Network, Trump first responded to the various calls by the leader of Catholic Church for compassion on behalf of Latin American immigrants.

“So I think the pope is a very political person and I think that he doesn’t understand the problems our country has,” Trump said, alleging that the successor to St. Peter was being manipulated. “And I think Mexico got him to do it because Mexico wants to keep the border just the way it is because they’re making a fortune and we’re losing.”

But this Thursday morning, a reporter at ABC News asked the Holy Father if “can a good Catholic vote for this man?” as the Holy Father was on a plane back to Rome after his tour of the U.S.-Mexican border.

“Thank God he said I was a politician, because Aristotle defined the human person as ‘animal politicus.’ So at least I am a human person,” responded the esteemed Bishop of Rome. “As to whether I am a pawn — well, maybe, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to your judgment and that of the people.”

He continued: “And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.”

This got Trump pretty fired up, judging from his statement Thursday afternoon:

DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO THE POPE

If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened. ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians.

The Mexican government and its leadership has made many disparaging remarks about me to the Pope, because they want to continue to rip off the United States, both on trade and at the border, and they understand I am totally wise to them. The Pope only heard one side of the story – he didn’t see the crime, the drug trafficking and the negative economic impact the current policies have on the United States. He doesn’t see how Mexican leadership is outsmarting President Obama and our leadership in every aspect of negotiation.

For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian and as President I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now, with our current President. No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith. They are using the Pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant.

Donald J. Trump

Next up: Donald Trump will allege that Pope Francis has a birth certificate in Argentina — and it’s got a different name written on it!

Update:: Trump has now read the statement aloud, at a rally in South Carolina:

Photo: Pope Francis gestures during a meeting with the media onboard the papal plane while en route to Rome. REUTERS/Alessandro Di Meo/Pool

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37 Comments

    1. The lucky one February 19, 2016

      Wow Otto, you’re even more wacked out than i thought, or am i misjudging you and you meant this link to some people who are obviously crazy as sarcasm. i know you’re a trump supporter so i’m leaning towards my first thought here.

  1. ray February 18, 2016

    I think the pope talks all lot like Jesus and that is why the repugs are afraid of him.

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    1. jmprint February 19, 2016

      He walks the talk, and is a true Christian, not a false one like the men at the pul pit.

    2. plc97477 February 19, 2016

      They look forward to the rapture until it looks like the Pope is leaving them behind then they get worried.

  2. latebloomingrandma February 18, 2016

    Nothing that comes out of the mouth of Trump is anywhere close to being Christian. He can declare he is all he wants but immediately discloses his hypocrisy. And if Trump’s crowds are cheering his feud with the Pope, that just tells you something about his people. Have they no parameters of decency?

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    1. Jinmichigan February 19, 2016

      Anyone else notice that all of the other repub candidates have climbed on-board for a wall?

  3. pisces63 February 19, 2016

    I am a Baptist and don’t really care. In fact MY God spoke in the wee small hours of the morning. He trumped all of them. No pun intended. Now, his end product is on view for all. Amen!!

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  4. itsfun February 19, 2016

    We don’t need a foreign religious leader sticking his nose into our national political scene. Isn’t the pope living in a city surrounded by a 50 foot wall intended to keep people out? Maybe he should have the wall torn down and live as he preaches.

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    1. Jinmichigan February 19, 2016

      repubs know more of what a Christian is than the Pope? Good luck with that one. Funny how repubs have interjected religion into most every topic for decades and can’t take it when you get some back.

      1. itsfun February 19, 2016

        I didn’t say that. I said we don’t need a foreign religious leader telling us how to run our country, especially when he lives inside of a 50 ft wall his self. Is his wall to keep people in or out?

        1. Jinmichigan February 19, 2016

          As much as we need politicians sticking their nose in the religion of the people.

          1. dpaano February 19, 2016

            So very true…..these so-called “evangelical Christians” are trying to push the Christian religion off on ALL of us….never mind that some of us are involved in other religions. Additionally, none of the GOP nominees are even CLOSE to being Christian, especially in their way of thinking!!! They are so hypocritical!

        2. bobnstuff February 19, 2016

          He is the head of the Catholic Church in America which means he is not just some foreign religious leader. As far as the walled city he lives in, he didn’t build the walls and as far as the church goes he has been working on removing the walls. He is right about Trump and his not building bridges, he has angered more world leaders then any candidate I can think of. Trump says he is a Christian but can’t remember what church he belongs to and has never ask the Lord for forgiveness. He doesn’t go to church because he is to busy doing business on Sundays. There is nothing Christian about him. There has been no Christian acts in his public life that’s for sure.

          1. itsfun February 19, 2016

            So you get to decide who is a Christian or not. I am sure GOD will be happy to know that.

          2. bobnstuff February 19, 2016

            I don’t but the Pope does.

            He has the key’s of Peter.

            By their fruit you shell know them. Matthew 7:16

  5. FT66 February 19, 2016

    Wait a minute! Don’t we all know the saying: “Good fences make good neighbors”? We all lock our houses when we are out or go to sleep. We even go further and put fences to make sure we are entirely safe. We do all these while knowing we have neighbors and mostly we love and trust them, but still we do it. So does the country. The country can’t be safe when coming in and going out is so easy to everyone. A country can’t send its troops to fight abroad while at home enemies are allowed to enter the way they like. It doesn’t make any sense at all. Our leaders must protect our country, the way we protect our houses, even building big tall walls on the borders.

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    1. Paul Bass February 19, 2016

      First, as has been pointed out, ‘technically impossible” to build that wall.

      Second even if we did, about 80% of the folks just outstayed their visa, how is a wall going to stop overstaying your visa?

      Third, I live in a big city, in the “bad” part of town. I mostly NEVER lock my doors, and have NEVER been broken into, in this bad part of town. (I DO have dogs however) so I’m really confused as to what the GOP is so AFRAID OF? Why would I possibly want to spend more on a wall than I do on heathcare for all of USA? It makes no sense…

      1. FT66 February 19, 2016

        Agreed. It is all about prioritising. Healthcare comes first before anything else. One needs to be healthy to make the economy grow, be healthy to go and fight in order to protect the country, even being healthy in order to build the wall for the sake of protecting ourselves who live inside the country.

      2. dpaano February 19, 2016

        They’re afraid of themselves!!! Why do you think they carry guns?

        1. Paul Bass February 19, 2016

          Yup, i’m an old man, weigh a buck and a third on a good day, and my one eared, 39 pound mutt looks about as fierce as a bunny. “Gang” types, appear to LOOK OUT FOR me, and are always friendly to me AND my dog!

          Again, I’m confused who ARE the scary Americans, my neighbors, or the trump supporters?

          1. Ekpe February 19, 2016

            Trump!

    2. dpaano February 19, 2016

      There are much better ways than to spend taxpayer’s billions to build a fence that won’t do much good anyway. And, you can’t build a fence along the entire border….there are very steep mountains, deep valleys, other people’s land, etc., that they would have to cross. The cost and time wasted would be immense! If we came up with a plan for “work visas” for those who wanted to come to work in our fields, restaurants, homes, etc., that would be one answer. The GOP nominees keep spouting that these Mexicans coming across the border are taking our jobs, but the jobs that they are taking are NOT ones that a typical American would want to do. We need these people……can you imagine the cost of fruits and vegetables if we didn’t have them to pick these for us…..you certainly could NOT get an average American to work for the wages that they are willing to work for in order to pick our produce. Trump and the other GOP nominees would be MUCH better off if they could offer sensible solutions to the problem and not ones that are costly and ridiculous!

      1. bobnstuff February 19, 2016

        We hear the Republicans shouting about the illegals but eight years ago they weren’t a problem and when we had twice as many back in 2005 no one seemed to care. Bush didn’t seem to be in a big hurry to build a wall so why is it such a big deal now?

    3. bobnstuff February 19, 2016

      Good fences make good neighbors was sarcasm. Robert Frost meant that walls divide people instead of bring them together.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mending_Wall
      You my lock your door at night and worry about your safety but not everyone does. I know that a lock or a wall is false security. It’s better to build a relationship of trust with your neighbors and give help when needed.

  6. jmprint February 19, 2016

    Why is that everybody sees the pope statement as being critical or political, they hear the part about the wall, but ignore the part about the bridge, which is what the bible teaches and isn’t that what christians say they do, follow the teachings of the bible! As Jesus said, they listen, but do not hear.

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    1. dpaano February 19, 2016

      The conservatives have a different interpretation of the Bible, and it goes wholeheartedly AGAINST the Bible that most of us REAL Christians read and adhere to. As I’ve said before, Jesus would strike these GOP idiots down in a heartbeat if he chose to do so!!!

  7. latebloomingrandma February 19, 2016

    It’s funny. ( weird, not ha ha funny.) For a party reveling in the freedom of political incorrectness, the first time the Pope says something that could be called politically incorrect, He actually comes out on the lower end of the stick than Trump!!!. Trump, the guy that dishes it up to everyone, but can’t take any criticism at all. I’m not sure how that attitude squares with being a great negotiator.
    Our people better wise up.

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    1. bobnstuff February 19, 2016

      Trump will sue the Pope if he doesn’t take it back and give him $5 million.

  8. Paul Bass February 19, 2016

    Trump – “Neo-Christian” vs. Pope Francis – real “Christ-like”

    I wonder who the GOP voter would choose? Flash or substance?

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  9. Aaron_of_Portsmouth February 19, 2016

    This confrontation needed to happen in order to shake up a general complacency and spiritual lethargy that afflicts far too many Christians around the globe, and in America particularly.

    The fact that the Papacy is not textually confirmed in an iron-clad manner in the Bible, and given the allusion in Matthew, “…you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church…”, hints at the direction the Church should have taken. However, a major split from the earliest years of Christianity occurred, i.e., Protestant and Catholic.
    (A similar confusion arose in Islam where Ali, the cousin of Muhammad(pbuh), was inferred but not mentioned definitively. Therefore, the major split of Sunni and Shi’ah arose to plague Islam for centuries to come after Muhammad’s ascension from this earthly realm).

    But I digressed. Trump and so many in the GOP represent so faithfully the “spirit” of resentment, dissent, and hostility that Trump would take issue with God himself in public if God were to declare anything that runs counter to the various “idold” and “icons” that the Right cherish so dearly above all else. (That is usually called idolatry—a trivial matter to conservatives and other extremists).

    For Conservatives especially, “Law and Order”, “keep the wealth”, “Gun Ownership”, “Say Whatever You Want to Say”, “Bigotry a la carte”, and similar idols are the new “gods”, and “The Constitution” is the new “Bible(or at least, sits on the mantle next to the Bible as a sacred volume).

    But because the Pope and Trump represent in a nutshell how divided and confused the community of Christianity is, we have this conflict being laid bare for all to see.
    The question is whether America will take time to reflect deeply on this new event and make the appropriate adjustments in attitude and outlook.

    So, here we come to another juncture showing the downward path the GOP and conservatives are willing to tread just to continue the worship of an implacable ideology called Conservatism. The poison of that viewpoint deranges law-enforcement, the judicial system, attitudes regarding race and class, gun ownership, and a host of other human/social interactions and concerns.

    Just my personal view.

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    “The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded…”

    (“Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh”, p. 286)

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  10. dpaano February 19, 2016

    I don’t believe the Pope even actually mentioned Trump’s name…..several of the GOP nominees want to build a wall. For some reason, Trump seems to think, in his usual narcissistic way, that the Pope was talking about him! What an idiot! For someone who has gone to church “a couple of times” during the campaign (and probably NEVER before the campaign), he has little to talk about when it comes to religion!

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    1. Ekpe February 19, 2016

      Trump is making himself as important as he possibly can. Making people believe that the Pope and Mexican President were discussing him is part of the deal.

      1. bobnstuff February 19, 2016

        Trump believes that it was he who turned water into wine and walked on water. All should bend their knees before him.

    2. latebloomingrandma February 19, 2016

      He just “assumes” that the Pope was manipulated by the bad Mexicans, as if this highly educated man can,t make up his own mind. Who is more qualified to identify Christian behavior and speech?

  11. nana4gj February 19, 2016

    I’m not sure if that Update is a sarcastic remark or not because it is entirely possible, not a strange thing to expect, from Trump….

    This “debate” between the Pope and the Trump, is telling and confirmational. Is there any authority figure anywhere at the present time, in the past, or in the future, based on Trump’s remarks about what we can expect from him re interpersonal relations at home and abroad, that he has regard and respect enough, to listen to, consider, or not have to respond always in defense with threats and condemnation, if they are not in agreement with him, “not nice to him”….which means they do not give him a pass and total approval. or are critical of what he says and does….? No.

    Trump does not value self introspection, doesn’t know how to engage in it, and believes there is no need for self improvement. He has no insight, whatsoever. Feedback from his environment is not taken seriously. When he has been particularly offensive with foul language, he will make light of it in a campaign address, and it is one big “joke”, like when he was a 12 yr old boy who got caught, chastised, and made light of it. There is something wrong with everyone else, not him, ever.

    Trump builds all kinds of walls and they are not always of concrete and steel. He builds the kinds of walls that are not as easily taken down, the walls that are barriers to to human growth and development, not just his own, but society’s; walls and barriers to constructive discourse and constructive resolution of differences; that inhibit effectiveness, that create divisiveness; walls and barriers that permit some people in and some people out, based on whether or not he finds any one or group of them acceptable or “nice to him”, literally and figuratively. He builds no bridges, not even in his construction business, and, I can’t speak to his interpersonal relationships, but, from his public persona, this deficit does not bode well for the leadership required to be President of the US to fill all of the many roles and performance requirements of that position.

    The man is unfinished in his own growth and development, arrested in adolescence. I believe he conducts himself today just as he did when a difficult child that was so problematic, it was easier to just adjust the world around him to accomodate him than it was to teach him to adjust to the world , to learn the basics everyone must learn. I suspect he needed more than parental guidance or a military school; he may have needed psychological help that was not as forthcoming when he was a child and certainly not a need anyone in his social strata would admit to. Consequently, he has led a very sheltered life, even with sheltered employment, all enabled by the vast family resources, that helped to stunt his growth and create the adult he is today.

    He may have made it thus far in his world that is adjusted to fit him, but I do not believe the American people, or peoples around the world, should be expected to accomodate his kind of special needs and be that shelter that his father was able to construct for him, because none of us in that outside world, the one outside of the walls built for him, have the same kind of resources to continue to enable, coddle, indulge, and give him shelter to play with our lives. We cannot finish raising him or teach him how to behave because we have our own responsibilities, and, he doesn’t listen to or value feedback; he scoffs at polite civility and lives in his own world. It’s too late for anyone to issue a “time out”, or to send him to his room, or place restrictions on him until he learns how to behave.

    If he is a “gifted politician”, it is because, with his inherent pathologies, TNTM, politics, with it’s own inherent proclivity to create a bit of what Trump has in abundance even in the most well adjusted person unless they are mindful, is a dangerous place for a person like Trump, who, admittedly, do not get very far except under certain circumstances, such as in 1930s Germany, or other times and places when the state of affairs ushered in despots, tyrants, and really sick people who wrecked havoc after having been placed in positions of too much power, with the adulation to feed that power.

    Each of us in our personal lives build bridges all of the time, with the people we love, in the places of our employment, if we care about those relationships. We know we must not pull up that bridge and replace it with walls to solve our differences, that we must use that bridge for back and forth exchanges until we get it right, if we do not want to lose relationships and job, to solve problems and to effect constructive solutions that are mutually beneficial. Civil Governance is all about people and the human dynamics. There is not one issue that can be discussed or addressed without the impact on human dynamics. Policies based on one theory or another are worthless unless it can relate to human dynamics without which they are just excerpts from a book written by a theorist. Ideologies of any extreme nature are not about human dynamics, which is why they are often ineffective and eventually fail. Nothing can be achieved with only one theory, one ideology, one theory, the absence of any of them, or with the personality of any one person, or with any personality as the means, at all. In fact, that is the least effective and the most dangerous.

    So, there is no perfect candidate for governance, but some have more potential. We have to select a person with emotional and psychological health who has reached the milestones that are expected of an adult in that they need not create or live in a sheltered world they need for success but that they can adapt to the real world to make that world successful for everyone else. We need someone with capacity for intellectual and objective assessment of issues and realistic, effective solutions that are constructive, not destructive. If a person wants to lead, they must have basic respect for people, even those who disagree with them, and the ability to engage in self introspection, value feedback, and critique themselves. It goes without saying, or, maybe it needs to be said, that the person should have a knowledge of history, world affairs, how the government operates, the Constitution, and respect it all enough to work within the system of governance, such as, a democracy, as we have. It does not need to be, nor should it be, adapted to suit the needs of the personality or character flaws and deficits of the one who seeks to govern. That person needs to value the opinions of others, advisers, and those with expertise, even if that person may think they know it all better than anyone else and can do it better than anyone else because such a person surely cannot, as evidence of that belief and claim.

    Trump just doesn’t have it. That which makes people believe he does, is the very reason he should not be elected to the Presidency. It has little to do with religion, other than religion speaks to human dynamics, and everything to do with human growth and development and dynamics. Trump lacks the most basic of essential requirements, and this is clear and present evidence in the nature of his campaign and it will not get any better because he lacks what it takes to be better. I’m afraid what we have seen is what we will ever get, and that prospect is what is the most “stupid” of all of the “stupid” stuff Trump concludes of others. It is worse than “stupid”; it is disatrous and unbecoming, undeserving, of this nation and her people.

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  12. Reverend Lawrence L. Blankensh February 19, 2016

    I agree with the Pop Francis that Mr. Donald Trump’s is not a “Christian.” Mr. Trump’s need to repent. I can says more…

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