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I like capitalism.

Specifically, I like the idea that if I write a better book, have a better idea, build a better mousetrap, I will be rewarded accordingly. A system where everyone gets the same reward regardless of quality or quantity of work is inconsistent with excellence and innovation, as the mediocrity and inefficiency that beset the Soviet Union readily proves.

The woman who is successful under capitalism gets to eat steak and lobster whenever she wants. That’s never bothered me. What does bother me is the notion that the unsuccessful man who lacks that woman’s talent, resources, opportunities or luck should not get to eat at all. There is something obscene in the notion that a person can work full-time for a multinational corporation and not earn enough to keep a roof over his head or food on his table. The so-called safety net by which we supposedly protect the poor ought to be a solid floor, a level of basic sustenance through which we, as moral people, allow no one to fall — particularly if their penury is through no fault of their own.

Maybe you regard that opinion as radical and extremist. Maybe it is. But if so, I am in excellent company.

Martin Luther King, for instance, mused that “there must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”

The Apostle Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 8:13-15, that it’s wrong for some to live lives of ease while others struggle. “The goal is equality, as it is written: ‘The one who gathered much did not have too much and the one who gathered little did not have too little.'” In Acts 4:32, Luke writes approvingly of the early church that: “No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.”

Which brings us to the Pope — and Rush Limbaugh. As you may have heard, the former has issued his first Apostolic Exhortation, The Joy of the Gospel, in which, among other things, he attacks the free market and what he calls an “economics of exclusion.” This had the latter up in arms last week on his radio show.

Pope Francis writes that poverty must be “radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality…”

“This is astounding … and it’s sad,” says Limbaugh. “It’s actually unbelievable.”

Leonard Pitts Jr.

Leonard Pitts Jr. is a nationally syndicated commentator, journalist, and novelist. Pitts' column for the Miami Herald deals with the intersection between race, politics, and culture, and has won him multiple awards including a Pulitzer Prize in 2004.

The highly regarded novel, Freeman (2009), is his most recent book.

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  1. Lynda Groom December 4, 2013

    Looks like much of the right must believe they don’t need people of faith any longer, or least not from the Church of Rome.

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    1. Mark_Melrose December 4, 2013

      A feminist and a bigot! A two-fer. Maybe even…a lawyer.

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      1. Lynda Groom December 4, 2013

        No, just a grandmother who believes in helping our fellow man as best we can according to our ability to do so.

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        1. Mark_Melrose December 4, 2013

          I believe in helping people too. “Elect me, so I can get that jet, and all that control over people. Especially the ones I don’t like….” get it? Just saying that if you want to do something for altruistic purposes people should become skeptical. You included.

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          1. awakenaustin December 4, 2013

            But if you are a greedy asshole no one should be surprised or skeptical of you? Is this an insight into your view of human nature?
            So you make friends only to serve your own purposes? You do things for your friends only for your own purposes? People marry only for their own personal selfish reasons? People have children and care for them for only personal selfish reasons?
            So your friends, your wife, your children should be skeptical of your altruistic actions towards them?
            So every time I hold a door for those following behind me, they should worry about what I am up to?

            I am sure you had some point to make here, but it probably wasn’t the one you thought you were making.

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          2. Mark_Melrose December 4, 2013

            Point was that ‘public service’ is a hook for some very sleazy people to gain power and sucker the less suspecting. I’m quite comfortable with my generosity. But I notice people that are not are quick to cast aspersions….

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          3. awakenaustin December 4, 2013

            It is “who are not.” If the comment is supposed to make me feel guilty, bad or defensive it doesn’t.

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          4. Mark_Melrose December 4, 2013

            Re-read your question. To refine, not my view of human nature. Most people are good, by nature. I was speaking of those that really are seeking power – but under the mask of altruism. To simplify, have used the analogy that conservatives like freeways; libertarians like tollways; but Obama likes public transport – so people can watch him drive by in limo out the window. If I failed to make my point, so be it.

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          5. awakenaustin December 4, 2013

            I understood your point, even so, it was pretty lame. You fellows are transparent. Everyone realized it was an effort to insult the President. If you are opposed to his politics then be opposed to them. Try offering some substantive reasons instead of this silly imputation of bad motives.
            Maybe he likes public transportation because lots of people need to travel places to work and conduct their lives, and they all can’t afford cars. So maybe it isn’t pretend altruism, but merely realism.
            Oh, all presidents ride in limos, if you hadn’t noticed.

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          6. Mark_Melrose December 4, 2013

            Yeah, now that you think of it, why try and have a friendly conversation with someone like you? No wonder the rest of us want a divorce from your ilk.

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          7. awakenaustin December 5, 2013

            Please! You had no intention of a friendly conversation. Quit with the high moral ground pap.

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          8. Mark_Melrose December 5, 2013

            You must work at the University. Didn’t miss a think….yes….think.

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          9. awakenaustin December 5, 2013

            Just thought snarkiness deserved snarkiness.

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          10. Philip Quinn December 6, 2013

            You said last post you had made your point, Soooo shut the fuck up and piss off!

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          11. Mark_Melrose December 6, 2013

            And You are….speech police?

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          12. Mark_Melrose December 6, 2013

            You are a particularly vile kind…what your problem?

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    2. Independent1 December 4, 2013

      Hopefully the church is finally waking up to being suckered in by the GOP. For the longest time, America’s largest anti-Christian organization, the GOP, has been playing a supposedly conservative-Christian role out of one side of its face, while through the other side of its face it purports a clearly anti-Christian mantra built on ‘money above all else’. Given that Jesus clearly said: You cannot serve God and Mammon (the lust for money and earthly things); and his brother James said: Money is the root of all evil, it has always been perplexing to me that churches would align themselves with such a clearly anti-Christian organization knowing full well that by committing one sin (a never ending lust for money) they are guilty of committing them all.

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      1. Annemb December 4, 2013

        You’re correct, that it’s “the LOVE of money is the root of all evil.”

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        1. Independent1 December 4, 2013

          Thanks for the clarification which I neglected to include – that it’s the Love of Money that’s the problem. Some people can be rich and live their lives in a Christian way, but for the vast majority, becoming rich, or even moderately wealthy, seems to create an excessive Love for Money and other Worldly Things. And they become so lustful for more that they totally forget they have a responsibility to live for others and not for themselves; which aside from loving them, is the most important thing that God and His Son are asking us to do: Think more highly of others than you do of yourself, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

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          1. Annemb December 4, 2013

            You are so very welcome. Both your posts are beautifully articulated, and make clearer what is becoming an increasingly major problem today.

            The reason I clarify it is for it to be clearer in my own mind — that it isn’t the money itself but the love of money that is the root of all evil. Some years ago my mentor, a Methodist minister, pointed this out to me and I haven’t forgotten it since.

            Blessings… and have a beautiful holiday.

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          2. Independent1 December 4, 2013

            And the same to you Anne! Happy Holidays!
            It’s unfortunate that so many don’t really see what the messages are that the holidays should be bringing to us and that we should be praising God for them all year long; and not just a couple times a year.

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          3. Annemb December 4, 2013

            Thanks for your greetings to me.

            You’re absolutely correct! I often think of Dickens’ “Christmas Carol” and the transformation of Ebenezer Scrooge. Lately, it kind of reminds me of the transformation that we should be experiencing in our daily lives.

            Thanks again for a wonderful post and for being courteous!

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          4. plc97477 December 4, 2013

            “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven.”

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          5. Independent1 December 4, 2013

            Sadly there are millions who will put in years of hard work and build up a fortune in debt just to gain what they think is the big prize in this life, the big prize of what? 30-50 years of slaving at a job which they think will bring them a better existence than someone who worked far less hard at trying to fill their life with so many worldly things? Worldly things that may well keep them out of heaven. Yet these same people will make virtually no effort to reach a reward far greater than their 30-50 years of slaving here on earth, the far better reward of living for eternity with God.
            When Jesus spoke about the rich man, I think he was referring to those who not only are rich with money, but are those who have also made themselves rich with every worldly thing that has come along. Some wealthy, do not corrupt themselves with money, and despite having it, live more simple Christian lives; for them their wealth may not be the judging factor as to whether or not they are allowed to enter the gates of heaven.

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          6. wjca December 8, 2013

            The Eye of a Needle being a gate into Jeruselum in the time of Jesus. One which was so low that a camel could enter . . . but only on its knees. (Which His listeners would have known immediately, but modern people persist in interpreting in terms of the only needles they are familiar with.) In short, a rich man would have to have humility in order to get into heaven. Which is much like the comment about the LOVE of money being the root of evil….

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    3. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh December 4, 2013

      Considering that a large portion of those in control of the Republican Party still do not recognize the Catholic Church as “Christian” I am not surprised. These guys are still fighting the religious wars of the 16th and 17th centuries as to which church is really Christian, and which is a tool of the Devil to lead people to damnation.

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      1. Annemb December 4, 2013

        Great post!

        …and it’s a good way to keep people divided.

        Thanks.

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    4. Michael Ross December 4, 2013

      Rush etc. think they don’t need the Pope. Not when they have Pat Robertson and all of the other “send us your money” televangelists who worship money as much as they do.

      Which, if you want a Bible comparison, makes them akin to the Jews in exile. Just as Rush and co. have decided they don’t need the Pope, they decided they didn’t need Moses, not when they could invent their own god who conveniently commanded of them exactly what they wanted to do anyway.

      Which is doubly worth the comparison because they made their idol out of the very thing Rush and co. are now worshiping. They made an idol out of gold, Rush is idolizing gold. Either way, Francis’ condemnation of the idolization of money applies to one as equally as the other.

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  2. Suralin December 4, 2013

    Capitalism, to me, has become another ‘Ism.

    ‘Isms sound great on paper, and work well for a while, until the powerful learn how to game the system and rig things in their favor. Then they promote their favored ‘Ism as sacrosanct orthodoxy, not to be deviated from under any circumstances. This happened *very* quickly with communism in the Soviet Union thanks to Stalin.

    I think the same thing is happening with capitalism here in the US. Laissez-faire capitalism is, in some circles, essentially a quasi-religious faith now, and it’s being promoted heavily by those who have the most to gain from such a policy — in other words, would-be oligarchs.

    I fully agree with the Pope’s words in this case. Money should not be more important than morality or social cohesion. We should not be willing to sell out our friends and neighbors (or others in general, really) for a bigger piece of the pie.

    And supporting capitalism does not mean we should ignore (or worse, increase) the suffering of those who didn’t succeed. Lack of financial success does not make someone a bad person, and it certainly doesn’t make them *deserving* of suffering, as the “gospel of wealth” circuit seems to imply. (I confess, tho, I’m saying this from an outsider’s perspective.)

    (Tangential thought: I wonder if the whole “gospel of wealth” thing increases negative self-image among the less successful? I.e. “I’m still poor, so God must not truly love me that much…” And on that note, I wonder about the average income level of the people who hear those sermons.)

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    1. Annemb December 4, 2013

      Great post! Very well articulated and true!

      Unfortunately too many “so-called Christians” repeat the lie that a person’s wealth is indicative of God’s favor, while the poor are in God’s disfavor.

      I give my vote to Pope Francis any day!

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  3. Michael Ross December 4, 2013

    Limbaugh, like many Republicans, struggles with the fact that it’s impossible to simultaneously be a true Christian and a greedy prick. They want, not only to take 100% of the pie and leave everyone else to starve, but to have everyone tell them that’s what Jesus commands them to do.

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    1. tax payer December 4, 2013

      If people want the whole pie why not work hard to buy it and not expect to get it free with SNAP. I don’t listen to him, but he does have a good point.

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      1. mah101 December 4, 2013

        You don’t understand, do you? People do work hard, and they still can’t afford “the pie” – there are many reasons for that, many of which are found in inequities in opportunity, capital, abilities, access to education – in other words much of the problem is structural.

        But to people like you, its simple – they’re lazy so they deserve nothing.

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        1. highpckts December 4, 2013

          Amen!!

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        2. tax payer December 4, 2013

          If everyone in this country was lazy and decided ( why work ), so who would provide for them? The Government with no tax money.

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          1. iamproteus December 4, 2013

            In response to a perfectly simple-to-understand, intelligent comment, you come back with THAT??!! That’s like being in a firefight out of ammo, you’ve already thrown your weapon at the enemy and all you have left to throw is a couple handfuls of dirt! Your reply was your handful of dirt….totally irrelevant and without worth or merit. Well, at least you tried.

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        3. tax payer December 4, 2013

          Everyone has the chance in the USA to make it or not make it unless they are born Blind and no hands or feet. I would agree for these people helped and be supported by the Government ( tax money ) since there is no way they would be able to earn a Living. If you are lazy why expect something for doing nothing?

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          1. mah101 December 4, 2013

            You are woefully ignorant if you honestly believe that opportunity is equally available to all. Please take some time to learn what life is like for many of your fellow Americans.

            Further, you are offensive in your ignorance if you believe that social support systems are so attractive to millions of Americans that they would forgo employment, opportunity for themselves and children, and any self worth just to get the free handouts.

            Do you have a valid and factually based opinion for us, or would rather live up to Mark Twain’s apocryphal aphorism and remove all doubt?

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          2. BillP December 5, 2013

            Mah all tax payer does is to turn any comment into how those getting assistance are lazy and don’t want to work. I do like his exceptions, blind people and no limbs, I think we have found the eternal Scrooge. He is just a bitter old man who is no longer relevant so he writes his ignorant comments. Happy Holidays.

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          3. mah101 December 5, 2013

            Thanks, and same to you BillP

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          4. tax payer December 6, 2013

            Why are you so scared to say Merry Christmas. I am an Atheist and it doesn’t bother me.

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          5. BillP December 7, 2013

            You hit the nail right on the head, I’m just really ascared of saying Merry Christmas. Since you claim to be an atheist (do you swear to God you are one?) why do you care what I say during this holiday season?

            I wished mah101 Happy Holidays because I don’t know his or her religious belief. Also the term Happy Holidays is used to acknowledge the many holidays that occur during this time.

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          6. tax payer December 7, 2013

            How can I swear to him, if there’s no such person? What I do say ( when coming in contact with somebody ) is nothing and they also say nothing too. No eye contact what-so-ever. I got you on that one because you care what I put down, so doesn’t that make both of us people that care or don’t care what we both say or put down in writing. Boy, that sentence really confused me.

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          7. BillP December 7, 2013

            You are really dense, that was sarcasm fool. What are you babbling about, what I said was why do you care what I say. Your sentences are nothing more than someone talking nonsense to,themselves. Try writing cognitive thoughts not incoherent trash.

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          8. tax payer December 7, 2013

            What you are trying to convince me is ( that you ) are very smart, so really what does that prove. It proves you have nothing else to do, so here you are, while I come back and sneak a few peeks; while watching two football games on and off. I will say good-bye for now and please try not to miss me too much.

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          9. BillP December 8, 2013

            Your writing skills are terrible. There is no need for parentheses in you 1st sentence. You write like you are having a conversation with your self, which is probably the case since you come across as a bitter old man. Try finding so e sentence writing skill website so you can construct readable sentences! You may also want to write a bit more logically. I know it’s a lot to ask of you but give it a try, you have nothing better to do.

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          10. patuxant December 5, 2013

            Guess you haven’t been listening for the last five years. Where are these “jobs” you speak of to get people to work? Tell me please. Got laid off in 2009 and at then age 67 and with decades of professional experience was unable to find work. Until it happens to you, please refrain from making false assumptions.

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          11. tax payer December 5, 2013

            You being a Professional Worker must have earned a good income, so didn’t you set aside an amount every payday for the future, while you were employed in a good paying Profession? I was earning a good income maybe not as much as you, but we didn’t live a High Class Life since they say ( the more you earn the more money you waste ). I was saving one thousand dollars a month the last five years I was working before my retirement from my pay since I know how to budget expenses and we lived a simple life, so now that money is sitting in the bank earning very little interest every month. I was saving less before those last five years I got really serious about putting aside some money. I wish you luck, but these days you have to know someone to get into the front door.

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          12. patuxant December 5, 2013

            Pin a rose on your nose! Please refrain from making assumptions about people you know nothing about.

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          13. tax payer December 5, 2013

            You have been unemployed for four years is what I am reading. I didn’t want to mention it, but you lost your job at age 67, so you must be 71 by now. Why do you want to work since you do qualify for Social Security. Just saying!

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          14. patuxant December 5, 2013

            That goes against your beliefs doesn’t it? To live “off the govt”?

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          15. tax payer December 5, 2013

            If you paid into Social Security System you aren’t living off the Government since you paid weekly to have that benefit.Those that get I don’t agree in people getting Benefits they didn’t pay to have, so here I am trying to help you and you still think the way you do, so forget it, and look for work instead. I am 65 years old and retired, so you too should be taking it easy. I know Professional people working right now at the age of 70 and over, but their Profession will never die out and that Profession is a School Teacher. That’s one job that will always be there and no physical work is involved.

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          16. patuxant December 5, 2013

            As I mentioned earlier, don’t assume. I am not only a teacher over 15 years of experience, but a lawyer as well. I have been collecting social security but if your pals in the House get their way, that “benefit” will be scarfed up also. Think about that for awhile. Then you will be screaming bloody murder when they turn you out on the street because they fail to endorse public education. And the private sector? Worked there also and they pay peanuts.

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          17. tax payer December 5, 2013

            I won’t scream at all because it’s all just talk and there is no way it can happen, so don’t worry too much about losing the Social Security. ( Welfare ) will be the first to go and not Social Security. At our age we will get more than what we put in and that’s too bad for the future workers of today.So, why did you say you were laid of at the age of 67 since an Attorney or Lawyer ( same thing ) can get a job within a few weeks after losing their job. I know of a few lawyers that have been disbarred, so for them there is no more job as a lawyer in our State. I don’t understand, but I am not a person that call others liars because I don’t know them personally as you mentioned. It does make me think why you are battling me since you have a Teacher’s Certificate and you are a Registered Lawyer in your State, but ( yet ) you mention you are jobless, and on Social Security. In Texas teachers don’t get Social Security unless they made some changes that I don’t know about. I won’t do any research since it doesn’t affect me.

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          18. patuxant December 5, 2013

            Am not disbarred. Problem is overqualified. Too many youngsters out there who are very ambitious. At 71 you get tired of the rat race also.

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          19. tax payer December 5, 2013

            I rest my case and you have a nice day.

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          20. mah101 December 5, 2013

            patuxant, sorry to hear this and let me wish you the best.

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        4. tax payer December 8, 2013

          Benefits aren’t going to be enough for these people to buy a good home, if they live off benefits all of their life. Section-8 is what provides housing for them at your expense, so that’s the only housing they will have unless they do something about it such as trying to get a better paying job and buy a home they can call their own.

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      2. highpckts December 4, 2013

        It’s never that simple!! You think it is because you are so smart and “planned” everything! Stuff happens and you are very lucky!!

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      3. tobyspeeks December 4, 2013

        You’re one of the greedy who has the “I got mine, fuck the rest of you” attitude. Are you a believer? If you are you know you’re going to hell, right?

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        1. tax payer December 4, 2013

          You said it and not me.

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          1. WhutHeSaid December 4, 2013

            Yeah, you don’t even have a pot to piss in and you still grab your ankles whenever one of the Koch Brothers come up behind you. I think you people are just so miserable when you look in the mirror that you have to lash out. You don’t even pay taxes, for God’s sake, yet you act like taxes are killing you, you public benefit-snorting deadbeat.

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          2. tax payer December 4, 2013

            I am going to buy a Mouse Trap for you because there’s a Rat in your Photo. If that’s your Real Face than don’t show it anymore.

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          3. WhutHeSaid December 4, 2013

            Say, you seem pretty amped up. Did you just snort some of your Medicare Viagra? Somebody should warn the local sheep population — redneck bigot deadbeats get a little public-benefit-Viagra and they think they’re God.

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          4. tax payer December 4, 2013

            I don’t believe there is a God, so who told you that Lie?

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          5. WhutHeSaid December 4, 2013

            Well that only seems fair since God certainly doesn’t believe in crusty, old, Medicare-Viagra-snorting deadbeats.

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          6. tax payer December 4, 2013

            Do you also believe there’s a Santa Claus? I saw a three to four year boy at the Mall tell his Daddy ( He wasn’t going to pose with the Santa Clause ) because there isn’t a real Santa Claus, so if he knows that you should know there’s no God.

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          7. WhutHeSaid December 5, 2013

            As far as I’m concerned, Santa Claus is real. I’ve always made it so for my children, and to me that was the important thing. What they chose to believe was up to them, in their own time.

            You needn’t take God or Santa so literal. But don’t be surprised if you find lumps of coal in your stocking or suddenly get hit by a bolt of lightning. Nobody likes a crusty, whining, stingy old fart.

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          8. tax payer December 5, 2013

            Your children know you’re their Santa Claus because, if you buy them gifts that’s enough for them to know ( our daddy ) is our Santa Claus.

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      4. Michael Ross December 4, 2013

        Four problems with that. Which I’m sure you already know about but just conveniently willed yourself to forget, but which I’ll repeat anyway.

        #1: Not everyone wants “the whole pie.” Rush does, but he is not reflective of humanity (or even human at all, for that matter). Most people only want enough of it to keep themselves and their families from starving.

        #2: Many of them ARE working hard, yet the ruling elites that Rush sucks dick for pay them next to nothing.

        We saw on this very website that the family of billionaires who own Wal-Mart decided to have a food drive for their employees rather than pay them a decent wage.

        Which brings us to #3: There’s only so much pie to go around, and the ruling elites want all of it.

        Bill Maher once summed it up this way: “100 people pool together their resources to buy 100 slices of pizza. The pizza arrives and the first guy takes 80 slices. And if somebody suggests that he only take 79 slices, that’s socialism!”

        #4: Telling the poor to get a job or starve is not what Jesus would do. That book you’ve never read but love to wave around when you’re screaming at gay people? It’s filled to the brim with the same kind of hippie stuff about love and charity that you and Rush decry as Marxism.

        The point still stands: You can’t be a greedy bastard while simultaneously claiming to be a Christian.

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      5. patuxant December 5, 2013

        So says the one who never faced poverty or lack of any sort.

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        1. tax payer December 5, 2013

          I was born into poverty, but this man made sure that was a thing of the past for me, but others continue staying in poverty by their own choice.

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          1. patuxant December 5, 2013

            Was also born during the depression when my dad made $5 a month working at the steel mill. Give me a break. Made my own way and did fairly well until 2008 when the banks and Wall St screwed us over. Lost everything. So don’t want to hear this b.s. crap about Capitalism and freedom for the very very very few. This is not what free enterprise is all about. Gouging the workers? Putting golden bidets in the baths of the wealthy? Francis is right.

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    2. sigrid28 December 4, 2013

      Ross, you have nailed it. You bring up another related topic when you use the term “100% of the pie.” What if the pie has infinite dimensions, so that even the greedy cannot take 100% of it, no matter how hard they try? This is the concept behind Hanukkah. I’ll cite the Wikipedia definition, as a way or reminding us all to make a contribution to this helpful online encyclopedia: “Also known as the Festival of Lights and Feast of Dedication, [Hanukkah] is an eight-dayJewish holiday commemorating the rededication of the Holy Temple (the Second Temple) in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire of the 2nd century BCE. Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days

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      1. stcroixcarp December 4, 2013

        Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Thank you.

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        1. sigrid28 December 4, 2013

          You’re welcome. Light a candle tonight to take part in the last day of the holiday.

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  4. Dominick Vila December 4, 2013

    What amazes me is not what this clown says, but the fact that tens of thousands of fellow Americans still listen to him.

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    1. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh December 4, 2013

      It would amaze you even more to listen to Rush talk about how he considers himself an “entertainer” and not a political commentator, and if people want to believe what he says, that is their own business. To me, this is hubris – plain and simple. When you are in a position where people listen to you, you must choose your words carefully, as what you say will be taken as TRUTH by those listeners.

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      1. latebloomingrandma December 4, 2013

        Expect Rush to trot out his “entertainer” excuse when thousands of Catholics come down hard on him. I don’t know what the fundamentalist Catholics will do. I think their little world is being shaken by Pope Francis, and they are scared.

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        1. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh December 4, 2013

          Right now they are almost as scared as their parents and grandparents were when they found out the Mass was switching from Latin to Vernacular, and they were actually expected to understand what the prayers were that they were responding to. Imagine – having a Pope actually tell them to get out and do what Christ commanded, instead of having two doctrinaires who spent close to 30 years demolishing the reforms of Vatican II telling them to just do what they told them and not worry.

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      2. irishtap December 4, 2013

        Yes, I recall the “entertainer” slight of hand, from this pompous ass. His self described ‘entertainer status’ allows him to shrug his plump shoulders when he is challenged to debate, by someone that would blow his oxy-contin infused argument to pieces.

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        1. patuxant December 5, 2013

          Don’t you love seeing him jumping up and down behind a podium just like he must have snorted something minutes before? What a bunch of whale ass gibberish!

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          1. irishtap December 5, 2013

            Yeah it’s pretty “entertaining” at that. I’m sure Limbaugh has a emergency medical team standing by, to get his puss filled heart going again if he gives himself cardiac arrest.

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    2. FT66 December 4, 2013

      Listening to Rush is not bad. What is even worse is to believe and follow what he says. I think there are some who do.

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      1. OKsettledown December 4, 2013

        I know quite a few real people that believe everything he says.

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        1. paganheart December 5, 2013

          I do too, and almost all of them are elderly, white, and the sort of so-called “christians” who spend their Sundays listening to their preachers tell them how evil homosexuals, feminists, liberals and the president are, and do nothing to help the poor. (Except tell them that they are poor because they are wicked, evil sinners and Jesus doesn’t love them.) In fact in the last two years, I have lost two uncles and an aunt who were all diehard “dittoheads” and never missed Limbaugh’s program. That kind of gives me hope that Rush’s key audience is dying off, and maybe when they are gone, he will disappear from the airwaves, too.

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  5. GeorgeRupp December 4, 2013

    “This is the radical, extremist ideal embraced by the human rights icon, the Gospel writers, the Bishop of Rome”. Well, in Europe this extremism is called social democracy. No popes required, though they’re welcome if at long last they embrace these principles.

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  6. FT66 December 4, 2013

    May be we should ask ourselves first what is capitalism? Where do these people who call themselves capitalists got their capital from, if not grabbing little by little from those who have almost nothing until they became capitalists. Can all of them explain how did they become capitalists? Some will say it is inherited. Well and good BUT that person who was the first person in the family to initiate it, might did something fishy of which the inheritors have no clue at all.

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    1. JohnRNC December 4, 2013

      I agree. Today’s capitalism is a mutant of what Mr Pitts describes in the first part of the article. The “successful” don’t always get there by making a better product. Their “innovation” is convincing the masses that they can get something for nothing (see Walmart & McDonald’s). They draw folks in to buy lots of low quality products made by cheap labor (see Bangladesh). They pad their profits further by paying their stateside employees next to nothing. If we choose to accept the Gospel of the Free Market then the only thing that can prevent the Successful from abusing their economic power is the voice in their head – Good Luck Pope Francis!

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    2. stcroixcarp December 4, 2013

      Capitalism is another result of white privilege, at least how it is practiced in the US.

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  7. JDavidS December 4, 2013

    I’m really torn as to who I detest more. This reprehensible, misogynistic asshole or that piece of slimy maggot shit Ted “third rate musician, gutless, pedophile dead-beat father” Nugent.
    I’m fairly sure they both reside under the same rock… Two very strong arguments for retroactive birth control.

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    1. stcroixcarp December 4, 2013

      Maybe than the pope could send them both to Limbo.

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  8. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG December 4, 2013

    I am shocked, the talking whale spouting hate, intolerance through his blow hole, all because someone has a different opinion than him.

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    1. Independent1 December 4, 2013

      What I’m shocked by, is that there are enough totally clueless people in America who will actually believe the garbage Rush spews, such that he continues to have enough following to even remain on the air. And also that there are actually idiot companies in America that will pay the advertising costs for his programs of hate.

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      1. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG December 4, 2013

        Isn’t that the truth.

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    2. Annemb December 4, 2013

      He’s puffed up with his own self-importance. Isn’t it pride that goes before the fall?

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  9. EileenCurras December 4, 2013

    Limbaugh, like many Republicans, struggles with the fact that it’s
    impossible to simultaneously be a true Christian and a greedy.
    They want, not only to take 100% of the pie and leave everyone else to
    starve, but to have everyone tell them that’s what Jesus commands them
    to do.

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    1. Jane Caspar December 4, 2013

      This reminds me of the Pharisees who seem to us to be the ‘bad guys’ in so much of the Gospel. The thing is that they didn’t think of themselves as bad guys but as religious people who clung to the letter and outward appearance of the law and upheld all the statutes and kept a strong foot on all those troublemakers who wanted to shake up their perfect system.

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  10. flipped54 December 4, 2013

    Limbaugh makes comments like these to stir up dissension, mistrust and hatred. Sadly this mentality is absorbed and embraced by those who say they are Christian but don’t have a Christian bone in their body. This is partially why legislation that benefits the majority doesn’t materialize or when it is passed has to be fought tooth and nail to stay as a law that benefits the majority. Yes, Capitalism is good when it is used in way to innovate, improve and lift up the populace as a whole. This is generally referred to as Social Capitalism. I don’t believe it was ever meant to concentrate wealth to a few while the masses live pay check to pay check or even starve. Capitalism has become grossly corrupt. We can see this by how Congress is bought out daily by those with the most money. Congressman and women who take “blood” money are just as guilty of this same corruption. False information about beneficial laws is construed by these same entities and the losers are the majority of Americans. TRUE Christianity can help this country to become what it should be and that is a nation that allows ALL to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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    1. Michael Ross December 4, 2013

      See Obama’s full “you didn’t build that” quote, or Elizabeth Warren’s explanation about the social pact.

      Nobody got rich by themselves. You may have invented the product, but the community educated your workers to be able to manufacture your product, paved the roads on which your product will be transported, and continue to provide the protection of your product against fire and theft.

      Social capitalism entails recognizing this and paying it forward; entails keeping half for yourself and spreading the other half around for everyone else.

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  11. dmhlt_66 December 4, 2013

    To whomever had Rushbo will call the Pope a “pinko Marxist Commie” BEFORE he slips and calls Pres. Obama a “n!gg@r” … you win the Office Pool!

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  12. BobbyPFalcon December 4, 2013

    The right has become so delusional that anyone who disagrees with them is instantly labelled a “commie” or “Marxist”. Some have gone so far as to say the John Birchers and McCarthyists were somehow actually right all along, and anyone they infamously blacklisted actually were all “commies” or worse-yet “communist-sympathizers”… This outmoded and ignorant thinking is the reason there is so much divisiveness today. How do you argue with someone that can’t acknowledge empirical facts?

    But calling the Pope a commie for basically parroting the words of Jesus… That’s just too much – even coming from Limbaugh. Another ugly step on Limbaugh’s slow descent into irrelevancy.

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    1. jointerjohn December 4, 2013

      The same republicans who claim to be for capitalism because it rewards hard work, who falsely portray progressive policies as handouts for the lazy, and like to think those on SNAP don’t work for a living, then cross up their own pro-work argument. How you ask? By defending a tax policy that taxes work at twice or more the levels of earning through usury, in other words, the Capital Gains Tax. No matter what Mr. Limbaugh thinks putting sensible restraints on capitalism is not a free-fall into Marxism. The western hemisphere tried out unrestrained free-enterprise once, it was called The Middle Ages. Similarly, requiring background checks and waiting periods before guns sales is not an assault of the Second Amendment. Saying Happy Holidays is not an attack on Christianity. This new American right wing just can’t see any shades of gray at all. Everything has to be either black or white. The truth is, in this world there are ONLY shades of gray.

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  13. howa4x December 4, 2013

    Jabba the Rush is worth around 40 million. He doesn’t toil or make anything, and has no inventions to his credit. He has never created work for others except the sound man on his program. He is greedy and selfish. He lacks compassion for others and sees himself as part of the ruling elite. He is immoral by any standards having 4 different wives and been convicted of trying to illegally purchase Oxy contin which is a narcotic. He even employed and illegal alien to clean his house. His only contribution to society is to give his sarcastic/racist/sexist opinion on everything to people who are angry but don’t know why. He is obese and although has excellent illness care he doesn’t want others to share in his good fortune.
    Most of the FOX commentators make $500.000-1 million/year and above for opinions. They don’t work or toil or invent anything that helps humanity. The harm they do is as critics of everyone trying to save the people and planet. They all have brought cynicism to new heights and made our politics ugly. That is the only credit they all share
    He and they are exactly what is wrong with our country: that we pay our entertainment more than our doctors, or scientists trying to save the planet and its people

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    1. charleo1 December 4, 2013

      False absolution doesn’t come cheap. Nor can that little voice inside each
      of us, that is our moral compass, our conscience, the determiner of truth,
      that which makes us human be silenced by mere mortals. They must be elevated, these liars, and charlatans. Seen to be sought out for their
      wisdom, and paid a King’s ransom for it. Then they may convey their judgement that our baser instincts we share with reptiles, have been right
      all along. And, more! Are vital to our advancement! Belay those pangs of
      guilt. It is how The Almighty intended!

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  14. docb December 4, 2013

    What amazes me is that people would even think to compare a druggie liar with the Pope! This is not apples and oranges but apples and yak dung! And I was raised baptist.

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  15. Mark Forsyth December 4, 2013

    The God of my understanding loves Rush Limbaugh.That is a good thing as Rush is in much need of it.His verbal offenses against humanity are numerous.I wish him no ill will however something,some situation or circumstance is required that will cut him to the quick and open up his heart.So,much like that slave ship Captain of old,I wish for Rush Limbaugh to be struck by Amazing Grace!

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  16. irishtap December 4, 2013

    This Pope is a breath of fresh air. He’s never caught up in the trappings of wealth his position provides, and takes his responsibilities to heart. He’s an uncommon man, the “real deal” as they say.
    As for Limbaugh – though I am a believer in God; I admit weakness in despising this bastard. He knows his arguments are entirely flawed – or he wouldn’t back down when challenged to debate. He must hate himself more than I do. To do Gods work – you make capitalism sustainable by having government fully in charge with strong regulation over the polluters, banks, Wal Mart’s and insurance companies. These are criminal enterprises wreaking havoc all over the world often paying nothing in taxes while demanding subsidies from the very government they disdain. We need a massive union push to help ordinary people regain a sense of dignity and empowerment within our economic system. We’re all aware of how behavior by some union members can taint the good work of the many. It’s inevitable to find a few bad actors gaming the system for their own gains. However, I’d rather have a thriving work force, with collective power to stand in the way of egregious capitalistic practices and making a good living than to have the current tidal wave of exuberant sociopathic greed destroy this country then the world.

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  17. brickman December 4, 2013

    The Pope listens to his boss, Rush listens to his.

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  18. Bryan Blake December 4, 2013

    “Free Market Capitalism” is a corrupt and immoral economic system. Since we climbed down from the trees and began to form social groups the strong have always dominated the weak. Pope Francis has merely pointed out that “trickle down economics” benefits only the top fraction of the 1%. There is a very good reason that Limbaugh attacked The Pope and it is a secret that he and his fellow conservative radicals do not want us to know.

    Limbaugh, the GOP, The Tea Party and conservatives in general are AFRAID of Christianity. If one knows the history of the formation of the Roman Catholic Church and therefore Christianity then one knows that Christianity was founded to please the Roman Emperor Constantine. The Council of Nicaea created a religion with its sole purpose of serving power and establishing its own place in the political hierarchy of Rome and beyond. The platitudes of Jesus were never meant to be taken literally nor implemented. They were inserted to make Jesus appear as the salve for the wounds of the poor. Many many early Christians did not even believe that Jesus was divine. The teachings of Jesus were merely there to divert the attention of the oppressed from this life to life after death and a promised new abundance in heaven.

    Christian politicians and their key constituency of right wind evangelical Christians do not support the teachings of Jesus – especially any reflection of them through government at any level. Feed the hungry? No cut Food Stamps. Care for the elderly and the disabled? No cut the social safety net! Universal health care as a constitutional right? No let the vampires at the insurance companies make obscene profits off of the sick and dying! Let the suffering of children be a profit center! Let the hunger of children and their parents be the just reward for their own inferiority!

    Christianity calls for a “kind of personal responsibility” that is altruistic rather than the greed-fueled conservatism of: “I got mine. If you can’t get yours then its your fault.”

    All religions “rope in” their adherents because mortal life is finite and there is a natural fear of the unknown – Death! History has shown that humanity usually turns to gods and goddesses. Of course that infects the politics of a nation. The Founders knew that politics and religion will ultimately lead to loss of individual freedoms. They lived under and rebelled against monarchs that ruled through divine right acquired from god himself.

    Although I have rejected all revealed religions I was raised in a Christian family with one side being right wind evangelical Christians and the other side being mainstream Protestants. It was the teachings of Jesus that formed my early moral code and still continue to influence me today. My walk with Jesus made me a Liberal! The supposed words of Jesus shaped my altruistic view of our society and the function of an economy.

    If we all followed the teachings of Jesus then modern conservatism would collapse. The scales would fall from our eyes and the powers that be would wither in the gaze of an altruistic We The People. We would begin to move once again toward the fruition of The American Revolution.

    By the way Rush, The Pope definitely has a much much much bigger audience than you do! Furthermore, he has a moral authority that you will never possess. It is an authority that he earned by a life of devotion to the care for and service to his fellow human beings. In other words – he lives an altruistic life!

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  19. Jrigney December 4, 2013

    Well. I was going to state that I find it nothing short of remarkable, that anybody sporting a reasonable supply of brain-cells bouncing around inside of their skulls, would give a good greasy squeeze…what this obese, drug-addled, hate-mongering moron would have to say—about anything. But I am reassured by the fact that someone, named Dominick Vila in this case, has beaten me to the punch.
    And of course, the part about “a reasonable supply of brain-cells” is the important qualifier, isn’t it.
    Alas Folks…..to our constant humiliation, it is clear that we Americans share our otherwise great country with a vast multitude of imbeciles. Without them, Mr. Limbaugh, if he were on the radio at all, would be doing traffic & weather at some secondary back-market station.
    The entire thing is an excellent argument for a top-to-bottom re-vamp of our public education system. To accept as truth, this continuously delivered package of horseshit, demands a near-complete absence of critical thought.

    If we continue to crank out an endless supply of idiots, we do so at our extreme peril.

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  20. morbius777 December 4, 2013

    I’d even disagree with the very first paragraph. It is arrogant presumption that one comes up with an idea or innovation right out of the blue, and simply not true. Even Steve Jobs had to go to school to learn about electricity and it’s properties. He advanced a particular aspect of electronics, but he didn’t discover the electro/magnetic spectrum. We all build/invent on the work that came before us…. everyone of us, including Steve Jobs. This attitude toward so called “entrepreneurs” is simply a conceit; nothing more.

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  21. morbius777 December 4, 2013

    Further, it would give me immense satisfaction to plant a fist right in Limburgers fat gut. It would be worth spending some time in the slammer for that. The guy redefines “asshole”.

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  22. Pamby50 December 4, 2013

    I heard on Ed Schultz’s show that Catholics are protesting Rush wanting an apology. Ed told them good luck with that one. Then you hear Bill O’Reilly talking about the re-distribution of wealth as regarding the Pope’s speech. He had to agree the Jesus feed and clothed the poor. They just keep falling over themselves trying to have it both ways.

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  23. Lovefacts December 4, 2013

    Guess Rush has NO understanding of the Catholic Church ethos or Jesus’ message–take care of the widows and orphans and poor. Heck, all Pope Francis did was reaffirm Pope Leo’s 1890 Encyclical, which said the same thing. You know, it’s pretty sad when a Jew knows more about this than the right-wing talking heads.

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  24. ralphkr December 4, 2013

    Oh, my, the Pope must be absolutely devastated that such a sterling luminary as Rush Limbaugh has found fault with the Pope’s message.

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  25. ThomasBonsell December 4, 2013

    Like too many “Christians” Limbaugh can’t understand the stories that are supposed to enlighten us.

    When Jesus fed thousands of followers on nothing but a few fishes and loaves of bread, he was showing us that there is enough or everybody and the one controlling the assets (Jess) doesn’t get to keep it all for himself.

    Even this nonbeliever understands biblical stories much better than do our so-called Christians.

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  26. tax payer December 4, 2013

    How many schools can Celebrate Christmas? Tic, toc. Woodpick looks like a Transgender.

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  27. tax payer December 4, 2013

    A Pope is just a person Idiots think will change the World.

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    1. Philip Quinn December 6, 2013

      Yon back again? Got your diapers changed?

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      1. tax payer December 6, 2013

        I took off my condom, so where can I mailed it to you since you care so much about me?

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  28. Montesquieu December 6, 2013

    While certain successes, such as penicillin’s discovery, may be accidental and thus have little merit, many useless failures have been undertaken with great merit.

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  29. Montesquieu December 8, 2013

    Since liberty begets courage and industry, people in free states have the opportunity to make the most of their talents and be better off than those living under the shackles of collectivism.

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  30. Thomas Aquinas December 10, 2013

    The collectivist notion that a few quacks & academics are somehow magically ready to plan & direct our future progress is complete nonsense

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