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‘Unite The Right’ Rally Had Nothing To Do With Statues

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‘Unite The Right’ Rally Had Nothing To Do With Statues


Watching the Charlottesville spectacle from halfway across the country, I confess that my first instinct was to raillery. Vanilla ISIS, somebody called this mob of would-be Nazis. A parade of love-deprived nerds marching bravely out of their parents’ basements carrying TIKI torches from Home Depot.

The odor of citronella must have been overpowering. Was this an attack on the campus left or on mosquitoes?

“Blood and soil!” they chanted. “Jews will not replace us!”


Had Jews somehow prevented these dorks from getting laid?

Deeply offensive, but also deeply ridiculous. The iconography of the torch-lit parade was straight out of Triumph of the Will, Leni Reifenstahl’s epic film glorifying Hitler. Deliberately so. These Stormfront geeks get off on trying to frighten normal people with Nazi imagery.

Hogan’s Heroes is more like it. I mean Confederate flags are one thing, but swastikas? Politically, nothing could be dumber. Why not just have “Besiegte” tattooed on your forehead? That’s German for “loser.”

Speaking for the overwhelming majority of Americans, Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah tweeted: “My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home.”

Then things went from laughable to tragic overnight.

The University of Virginia has always been hallowed ground to me. When I first arrived, the sheer, serene beauty of Thomas Jefferson’s architecture affected me almost viscerally. Was the orderly life it implied even possible in this world? Well, certainly not in Jefferson’s own life, but art is art.

I was first introduced to my wife in a serpentine-walled garden maybe 50 yards from where the would-be Nazis assembled around Jefferson’s statue. If I close my eyes, I can still see her standing there in her little shirtwaist dress—an Arkansas girl more exotic to me than anybody I’d known. A coach’s daughter, she’d applied to study history at UVa entirely unaware that there were no women undergraduates back then.

The dean asked if I’d ever heard of Hendrix College, her Arkansas alma mater—a potentially embarrassing question.

“No Sir,” I said. “They must not play football.”

She laughed because I was right; also because it was a cheeky way to talk to the graduate school dean. I’ve done my best to keep her laughing ever since.

For that matter, I played several seasons worth of rugby games on Nameless Field, where the would-be SS-men lit their little torches. We got married in Charlottesville two years later. Indeed, we’ve sometimes regretted ever leaving. So, yes, it’s doubly distressing to see the university and city turned into a stage set for fascist street theater.

“Charlottesville,” wrote UVa professor Siva Vaidhyanathan “is an ideal stage for them to perform acts of terrorism. This was the home of Thomas Jefferson, the man who codified religious tolerance in colonial Virginia and who declared ‘all men are created equal.’ It’s also the home of Thomas Jefferson, the man who owned, sold, raped and had whipped people he considered racially inferior to him. It’s the site of the University of Virginia, an institution steeped in conservative traditions that echo the Old South. And it’s the site of the University of Virginia, an elite, global research university with a cosmopolitan faculty and student body.”

It’s definitely all that. Old South or not, Charlottesville is also a liberal college town that voted to remove an equestrian statue of Robert E. Lee from its courthouse square and relocate it to a park on its outskirts. Like many of the thousand or so Confederate monuments across the South, it was erected long after the Civil War, in 1924—hence more an expression of white supremacy than Virginian ancestor worship, precisely as Stormfront wants to use it today.

Lee himself steadfastly refused to be so memorialized in his lifetime. He would not contribute to the building of Confederate monuments and steadfastly advised white Southerners to leave it all behind. To an embittered Confederate widow, Lee once wrote “Madam, do not train up your children in hostility to the government of the United States. Remember, we are all one country now. … Bring them up to be Americans.”

Prof. Vaidhyanathan regrets that he and his wife stayed away on Saturday for fear of precisely what happened: a mad act of violence by a deranged young man. He vows to bear peaceful witness when the would-be Storm Troopers march again. Maybe he can help to calm campus hotheads as well. The last thing Americans need is anybody romanticizing violence.

Meanwhile, if Virginians need monuments, and they do, the state’s covered with Civil War battlefields. The Lawn at UVa remains; also Jefferson’s Monticello. For all the terrible ambiguity of his life, the man was the great genius of his age. The Washington and Lee campus in Lexington memorializes Robert E. Lee as he’d have preferred to be remembered.

For that matter, Appomattox Courthouse isn’t far away.

Header image: Wikimedia Commons.

Gene Lyons

Gene Lyons is a political columnist and author. Lyons writes a column for the Arkansas Times that is nationally syndicated by United Media. He was previously a general editor at Newsweek as wells an associate editor at Texas Monthly where he won a National Magazine Award in 1980. He contributes to Salon.com and has written for such magazines as Harper's, The New York Times Magazine, The New York Review of Books, Entertainment Weekly, Washington Monthly, The Nation, Esquire, and Slate. A graduate of Rutgers University with a Ph.D. in English from the University of Virginia, Lyons taught at the Universities of Massachusetts, Arkansas and Texas before becoming a full-time writer in 1976. A native of New Jersey, Lyons has lived in Arkansas with his wife Diane since 1972. The Lyons live on a cattle farm near Houston, Ark., with a half-dozen dogs, several cats, three horses, and a growing herd of Fleckvieh Simmental cows. Lyons has written several books including The Higher Illiteracy (University of Arkansas, 1988), Widow's Web (Simon & Schuster, 1993), Fools for Scandal (Franklin Square, 1996) as well as The Hunting Of The President: The 10 Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton, which he co-authored with National Memo Editor-in-Chief Joe Conason.

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  1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth August 16, 2017

    The trite and dangerous notion that the Jews and Black people are behind the misery of these effete impotent little men, too soft from living a cozy pampered life, is absurd and a red herring.

    What really motivates these Lazarus-like creatures is simply the abandonment of spiritual qualities—or rather the fact that such qualities were never stressed and inculcated by their parents. Living lives free of discomfort and partaking of the benefits handed out unevenly due to skin color has had a devastating impact on these young men who’re strangely attracted to racial ideologies and have an admiration of all things Hitler.

    And since Trump has an innate ability to pose and present himself like Hitler or Mussolini, depending on the angle of sunlight, these youth find in Trump a “Father” figure. A figure who reminds them in an abnormal way to Hitler, and who their diseased minds perceive Trump as having a direct lineal/”spiritual” connection with.

    The statues of Southern generals and their replacement as an excuse is a transparent ruse to hide their real intent—to promote Racism and express hate. Nothing in that can be related to God—only to satanic tendencies.

    1. marriea August 17, 2017

      Check out, if you will a Twilight Zone episode called ‘He’s Alive’
      I was released in the Jan, 1960, I think.
      When I saw that presentation, I thought of that young man who was driving the car in Charlottesville this past weekend.
      But as I looked that the movements of the hands of the main character in this episode, I thought of Donald Trump.
      But this young man’s life told it all.
      He was a nothing, a nobody trying to be a somebody.
      In the end, as is usual Rod Serling gave his analogy of this story as he said in other words, that Hitler will always be in the hearts and mind of mankind as long as hate and intolerance is allowed to live.

      1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth August 23, 2017

        I’ll have to watch that episode again. I have some of the seasons, but not all.

  2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth August 16, 2017

    On another note, Orrin Hatch makes an interesting point about his brother dying fighting Hitler’s Nazis.

    But sooner or later, Orrin is going to have to wake up to the reality that he wholeheartedly embraces a political Party that itself attracts pro-Nazi and other White supremacist organizations who idolize Hitler.

    Anyone reading this and living in Utah should consider this contradiction Orrin has lived since his brother’s sacrifice. If only Orrin could make a similar sacrifice by abandoning a Party that promotes the kind of atmosphere which Racists thrive in.

  3. FireBaron August 16, 2017

    In addition to the various dichotomies that surround Jefferson, Lee had his own. A hero of the Mexican War, and a successful Indian fighter, he was home on leave settling his father-in-law’s (George Washington Parke Custis, George Washington’s step-grandson and adopted son) estate, including manumission of designated slaves when he was called up by the War Department to take charge of the Virginia Militia to suppress John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry. However, even though he was manumitting his father-in-law’s slaves, he was not doing the same for those already assigned to his wife and mother-in-law.
    After returning to Texas, when the original acts of secession were voted on, Lee’s regiment was dissolved due to the Secessionists who separated from the US Army. He returned home to Arlington (yeah, THAT Arlington) and awaited orders from the War Department for reassignment. Lee was offered command of the Armies of the Potomac by President Lincoln (recommended by Winfield Scott), but as Virginia had voted to secede and join the Confederacy, as a Virginian, he refused.
    While fighting to preserve “the peculiar institution” he freed many of his own slaves and hired back the cook he freed, paying him a salary, in order to keep him with him and in relative safety.
    Recognizing the inability of the Confederacy to match the manpower of the US Army, he approached President Davis with the idea of manumitting the slaves, and enlisting them in the Armies of the Confederacy. When Davis asked how he expected to return them to slavery after they won “independence” Lee replied he did not intend to, but planned on using them in the Western Frontier as Indian fighters. Davis balked (as was expected).
    After the war, when Longstreet blamed Lee for much of the losses on the part of the Army of Northern Virginia, he was excoriated by other former ANV generals until Lee came to his defense and acknowledged much of their troubles was due to his lack of understanding of the capabilities of his opponents, particularly Grant, as well as the misplaced belief that his own troops could match the Union training with Southern zeal.

    1. James L Silver August 16, 2017

      Actually, Lee’s father-in-law’s will required manumission of his slaves within five years of his death. True to form, Lee worked those slaves for the full five years before granting them freedom.

    2. RichFromShowMe August 17, 2017

      Spot On! Accurate brief recap of a Great American who had to choose where his allegiance belonged; i.e., Country or State?

      Many, including General Lee, who’ve served in the military had the same issue; i.e., God or Country or God and Country?

      General Lee was buried under Lee Chapel which is also a monument to him.

      Will the Left (Antifa and assorted thugs) tear it down, burn it or rename it?

      1. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

        Here’s an interesting history lesson delivered by Congressman James Clyburne:

        “The Confederacy had three flags. This was never one of them,” Clyburn said. “This is a flag, the Confederate battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia, Robert E. Lee’s army.”

        “And when Robert E. Lee surrendered he asked all of his followers to furl this flag. Stow it away, he said. Put it in your attics,” Clyburn continued. “He refused to be buried in his Confederate uniform. His family refused to allow anyone dressed in the confederate uniform to attend his funeral.”

        “Why? Because Robert E. Lee said he considered this emblem to be a symbol of treason.

        Any more of your right wing BS? May I ask why you believe it is perfectly okay for the Right to Unite with Swastikas? With a Confederate Flag and not the Stars and Stripes? May I ask why you think the right wing feels it’s okay to violate the Civil Rights act by using lighted torches to rampaga through the streets?

        Oh and by the way, You do know who D.C. Stephenson is, right? Stephenson was the Grand Dragon of the KKK who went to prison for kidnapping, raping and cannabalizing Madge Oberholtzer, a college sophomore Stephenson bit over 80% of her body and then tried to poison her with mercury.

        That YOUR idea on non violence of the KKK? If you white supremacist males would get the hell off your lazy butts and work for a living like your parents and grandparents had to do and stop expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter, you lard asses wouldn’t have time to be out in the streets to “unite the right.”

        You obviously believe in the Nazi policies so well. Here’s one over the concentration camps at Aushwitz, Bergen Belsen and Dachau: “Arbeit macht frei” (Work sets you free.)

        Freedom in this country has a price tag. You have to earn it and work to keep it. You lay on your ass day after day posting your perverse drivel. How about you “Arbeit macht frei” ?

        1. RichFromShowMe August 17, 2017

          Stephenson, of course, was a Democrat, following in the footsteps of other Democrats who often were KKK members in the late 1800’s and early to mid 1900’s and who voted against civil rights for 100 years.


          I’ve been working and paying taxes for 55+ years and, yes, “work will set you free”, unless you choose to sit on your butt and draw-down all the government freebies, which has become a pronounced problem over the past 50 years, accelerating at light-speed under the obamba Regime.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

            Must you always show how limited your comprehension is? My post did not mention political party but typical of all dirty dog men like you, you had to just get in there and make it political.

            So moron, so that you cannot move that ancient ass into more partisan territory, let me be clear. My post was entirely about the KKK and white supremacists.

            But as usual you dirtbags all love to change direction. Did the Lard Ass in Chief teach you that? Or do you come by it because your Big Daddy “cut him a switch” like a hicks?

            As for working and paying taxes. Even though I retired in 2013 two years past SS eligibility age and ONLY because the dipshit I worked for got his ass in a bind with the EPA and NJDEP and had to close the company, I’m still working.

            That’s a total of 56 years. I started my first job at age 14 when I paid my first taxes.

            Guess your old lady isn’t putting out enough these days and you look for any women you can find to get your rocks off right? Too bad those Mr. Man Oneupmanship games don’t work.

            President Obama NEVER paid a $25 million fine for money laundering. YOUR LARD ASS did in 2013. Go ahead prickmaster, try and deny that one.

          2. RichFromShowMe August 17, 2017

            “My post did not mention political party”, but this is a political blog, so what is your point?

            The KKK started as a Democrat outfit and, over the years, morphed into an even more un-American outfit, with guys like Senator Byrd being one of their many standouts.

            For the past 50, or so years it has become a tiny, tiny, tiny organization with domestic terrorists at its core, and yes, Conservatives may even make up the majority.

            Paying a $25 million fine means he accepted his responsibility without blaming others.

            It’s now up to the Judge to see how dollars are distributed after court costs, attorney fees and other items reducing the $25 million to, probably, less than $100,000 per plaintiff.

            Glad to see you’re still working and paying taxes . . . we have, at least, one thing in common.

          3. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            My point is that history is not replete with politics. Political science, possibly but NOT partisan politics.

            The KKK was begun by in Pulaski TN in 1866. Nathan Bedford Forrest, of the 3rd Tennessee Cavalry joined the KKK, an early gaggle of disgruntled Confederates in 1867. He managed to tarnish a military record admired by both Sherman and Lee by refusing to address the stipulations of the Reconstruction Act that was to rebuild the south with northern tax dollars (gee nothing changes does it?). The stipulation Forrest and his KKK refused to obey was the granting of voting rights to black men.

            This is history you obviously failed to learn.

          4. RichFromShowMe August 18, 2017

            Spot On!

            But you conveniently left out that he and his followers were Democrats . . . . not that Republicans have been on the wrong side of morality on occasion.

          5. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            You are more than obviously obsessed with partisanship. I imagine such a partisan obsession must cause huge problems for you the last doctor on planet earth is a minority Democrat. Right?

            Republicans have NEVER been on the side of morality. President Warren Harding’s death was suspected to be from poison administered by his own who had in her possession letters from several of his “lovers” one of whom threatened to out him for the illegitimate child she was carry that was his.

            Then, you have Hastert, a Republican in prison for pedophilia. Prior to that in 1983, you had Rep. Dan Crane (R-IL) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA) reprimanded for having engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages.

            Want more? Try the Sen. Larry Craig, R-ID in 2007 arrested for lewd conduct in a men’s restroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on June 11, 2007.

            Of course now, that Georgia Speaker of the House had 3 wives, the first had cancer and during her treatments, he served her with divorce papers while doing the nasty with the future Wife No. 2 who when she was diagnosed with MS, also got dumped for Wife No. 3.

            You Republican men have “Itchy Dick Syndrome” don’t you?

            Then, there was South Carolina’s Republican Governor, Mark Sanford, with the Venezuelan mistress and illegitimate child.

            All you nuts ever had was Clinton and let’s pretend that those lil ole Dixiebelle gold diggers weren’t planted in Clinton’s face by Peter Smith, Karl Rove, Eric Prince, Ken Starr, Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist. Not to mention that the fired from her government job, Linda Tripp didn’t have it out for Clinton by using Monica Lewinsky and her blue dress.

            I was a Republican for 33 years from 1966 until I got so fed up with Republican white males acting like they are the ONLY voice in government.

            Face facts moron. The Republican women are only those who have no identity other than their man’s.

          6. RichFromShowMe August 18, 2017

            My, but you’re testy today . . . did you start your drug regimen in 1999?

            As noted in my previous response . . . “not that Republicans have been on the wrong side of morality on occasion”.

            It would be nice if both sides could simply set down and hash out their differences rather than prepare for verbal and actual warfare.

            Taxpayers always lose when both sides battle each other.

            Vlad, the Impaler, “kim is ill” and despots the world over laugh at the United States every time a statue is razed, a building has to be renamed (Lynch, for instance) to hide our history (which includes the good, the bad and the ugly) or Russian Salad Dressing is discovered in a White House refrigerator.

          7. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            That it? That’s all you’ve got? When it comes to coherence pallie, you fit right in with the psychos in mental hospitals who do the Thorazine walk.

            Sorry, I don’t take drugs like you do. How’s that meth addiction doing in your midwestern states? I hear that the Corn Belt has kids making meth in the back seats of their cars. As for the Mutton Chops states, my nephew who works for ATF tells me that the big drug ju jour in Republican southern states is heroin.

            Both sides don’t sit down with Republican bullies. You boys had your majority. Not very successful is it? Couldn’t pass Trumpcare because your own GOP Majority wouldn’t vote for it. And if you think they’ll pass Trump’s tax reforms, think again.

            Trump’s had 7 months of Tweet storms, firing more people than he accused Obama of doing in less time and using every opportunity to turn the FBI, CIA, military and even top US CEOs against him. Now, even Carl Icahn has backed away from Trump. Bad bad bad for Trump and the Republicans. Get a life loser boy.

          8. RichFromShowMe August 19, 2017


            So far, after a years worth of investigations (by the alphabet agencies) all Mueller has is 4 bottles of Russian Salad Dressing sequestered in a White House refrigerator.

            Fortunately, or unfortunately, a 6th Grader told Mueller that really wasn’t enough to bring charges on. Even his wife clued him in; i.e., most Grocery Stores carry Russian Salad Dressing 🙂

          9. Eleanore Whitaker August 19, 2017

            A year’s worth of investigations thus far have implicated Trump’s buddy Michael Flynn, his other buddy Paul Manafort who had an FBI raid 2 weeks ago, 2 days ago, Mueller did the worst for your Lard ASS in Chief. He slapped him with a subpoenae to testify. Ouch for you rightie traitors.

            Now, Do you want to tell us all how Trump all by himself without knowing a single Russian brought his beauty pageant to Russia? If you are trying to pretend he can just march into Russia any time he pleases and there won’t be any bugs in his room or KGB following his every move, you’d be on the right track. But since a moron like you has a very serious problem with reality, you’ll tell us he never met Putin, Kislyak or Lavrov, right jerk?

            Trump is as dirty as you are. You right wing crooks have to kiss up to Trump. He’s the icon of everything a crook like you loves most: lies, deception, back pedaling, sneaking and cheating others.

            As for where the investigation goes, you are a stupid, stupid man if you think we will be fooled by HOW Trump won an election, HOW Trump managed to get the Republicans to allow him “unvetted” to run on the GOP ticket, how the Republican “20” tried to start another of their botched Get Hillary investigations and how easy it was for Mueller to go back into Trump’s sordid past.

            Must really cause you serious jock itch because you can ‘t know what the classified documents say about Lard Ass.

            By thye way, I hear some of your Trump asslickers are crying in their beer because their faces were seen at the Charlottesville rally and they got their asses fired. Good. You’re next.

          10. RichFromShowMe August 19, 2017

            You seem to have conveniently forgotten that obamba, President Jarrett and VP BiteMe also have “met Putin, Kislyak and Lavrov”, several times, including the famous whispered conversation by obamba to Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, on about selling out the USA.

            But, they do have the goods on President Trump; i.e., 4 bottles of Russian Salad Dressing 🙂

          11. Aaron_of_Portsmouth August 23, 2017

            Rich, I see you’ve descended into juvenile mode with your childish wordplay with names. Did your mother teach you to remain immature??

          12. Aaron_of_Portsmouth August 23, 2017

            Rich, you’re so easily confused about names—they cloud an already hazy mind of yours.
            Most people already know that the names of the parties were switched long ago, before you were born. Democrats then were supporters of slavery. The Party names were switched.
            Let’s stick to events today, and concentrate on which Party TODAY is reluctant to work towards eliminating Right Wing Extremism. And center your thoughts on attitudes today, and which Party the KKK and other White Nationalists gravitate towards.
            Is that a task you can handle? Let me know if you need help with this—I realize for certain people, things can get pretty confusing.

          13. RichFromShowMe August 24, 2017

            “So, sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power. How did this switch happen?”


  4. idamag August 16, 2017

    I tried to tell a friend, at lunch, it had nothing to do with the statues, but the nazis. If they were marching in my city, I would march with the resistance. In 1943, Hans Scholl went on a college break from the university at Munich. He, and some friends went to Poland. There, they happened to witness nazis killing Polish people. He was disillusioned and knew the German people did not know what the nazis were doing. He came back and told his sister what he saw. They, and some other students, decided to tell the German people what the nazis were doing. They were sure that if the people knew,they would depose hitler. They typed up leaflets telling what they had witnessed. They were caught and executed. Instead of a car to kill resistors, the nazis beheaded them. When we can no longer voice a dissenting opinion we will be that much closer to being where nazi Germany was. And like the German people,who were hitler’s followers, we have those who will never believe the fascists are doing that and we have others who agree with the fascists.

  5. dtgraham August 17, 2017

    Reporter: Do you condemn the Nazis and the KKK?

    Trump: Well, a few maybe. Not all of them. Many of them are very fine people.

    Reporter: What about the counter-protesters who really don’t like the Nazis and the Klan?

    Trump: Now those alt-left bast*rds are ruining America with their violence and their hate and their intolerance.

    1. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

      Trump’s lost his mind because he lost what he believed was his and only his control. Remember the Alfred Hitchcock movie, “Psycho?”

      That character, Norman Bates fits Trump perfectly. Like Norman, Trump was unsually close to his mommy and grew up struggling to remain her favorite of 4 other children.

      Like Norman Bates, Trump also hides in secrecy, his dark nature. Trump may not dress in his Mommy Mary Ann’s clothes; but, he does wear a hairpiece that is all too identical to the style and color of his mommy’s.

      Trump lusts for power just as Norman did when he murdered people he believed were weaker than him. When he got caught, his true mental state came out.

      The Norman Bates character was based on Ed Gein, a middle aged, obese drunkard who owned a motel and was a Mommy’s boy.

  6. Lynda Groom August 17, 2017

    Everybody understands that the event had nothing to do with Lee’s statue. The fact that they held their tiki torch vigil is as close as it got. The idiot in the White House wants to pretend it was so to justify his kissing white supremist ass. Shame on you Mr. President. You’ve had a couple of oppotuntites since becoming president to stand up for the American people and you’ve chosen instead to side with hate, fear and distrust. Sad!

    1. dpaano August 17, 2017

      Trump only stands up for himself……no one else!!!

  7. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

    I am fighting back at the right wing. Here’s how. From now on, I will make their lies and propaganda headlines go viral. Today’s sample of their BS comes from Patriot Powered News:
    Grab Your Free US Army Issued Handgun Today (sponsor)
    Look What Happened When Hillary Decided to Walk the Streets!
    Freedom Caucus Seeks to Force ObamaCare Repeal Vote
    Trump puts military option back on the table: Gen. Jack Keane
    “Don’t Look At The Flash Or Fireball” Guam Issues Survival Guide For Nuclear War As Trump’s Military Locked And Loaded

    As you can see these nuts are all about violence. The Breitbart headlines have suddenly gone cagey now that Bannon’s big mouth got Trump into so much trouble.

    One of the posters on National Memo, who calls himself “Informed Voter” is a Russian troll. I outed him in another post when I mentioned that a Russian hacker has turned FBI informant. “Informed Russian” responded immediately that “It won’t hurt Putin.” This is an American?

    What kind of Americans support Nazism or Putin? What Trump has wanted was normalization of policies that go back to Hitler in a Putinesque format.

    Right wingers, be warned. Now we take you down by making the world see what slime swamp you wallow in.

    1. Dapper Dan August 17, 2017

      I blocked that idiot Informed Voter long ago. Something about his posts always seemed off much more than just a disagreement. I’m not surprised that he’s in fact a troll as I had long suspected

      1. stcroixcarp August 17, 2017

        Informed Voter may have been a bot.

        1. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

          He’s only a bot in mind. The guy is warped as it gets. His ISP is pure black ops from deep net.

          1. sharkbait4711 August 17, 2017

            Yahoo Ms Eleanore! I’m glad you outed “Informed Voter” I’ve been in many a typing battle against him and I also thought he was off his rocker. This explains it 100% – he’s not American – Thank you for outing the Freak’n trolls!

          2. dpaano August 17, 2017

            There’s a lot of these trolls on this site……we just block them rather than let them spout their BS!!

          3. Eleanore Whitaker August 18, 2017

            DP…The problem with that is they turn up under other names like a disease. rofl.

          4. sharkbait4711 August 18, 2017

            Thanks DP and Eleanore both!
            The disease is orange loving trolls – the cure is blocking them! Roger that! Have a great day friends of the resistance! 🙂

        2. rhetoric_phobic August 18, 2017

          Or a cyborg. Some bot programs aka trump’s imaginary supporters are monitored by someone breathing so they can give the appearance you are having a conversation with a real person.

      2. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

        My younger son’s friend was hired as one of those “ethical hackers” who uncover ISPs of people who seem to be as you posted “off.”

        What he found about Deformed Voter is that the ISP comes from Deep Net.

        Deformed seems not to be very “informed” of technology that can now out him.

      3. dtgraham August 18, 2017

        I don’t disagree. I’ve had more than one “debate” with Misinformed Voter that just turned out to be ridiculous…including recently.

        He/she makes bizarre, asinine, statements that defy common sense and human reason. You don’t know where to begin to even rebut them.

  8. Eleanore Whitaker August 17, 2017

    That stupid statue in Charlottesville was erected in 1990. It isn’t even an historical statue erected after the Civil War.

    What the Right has wanted for decades is a race war. It isn’t going to happen. What’ll they’ll get is backlash that will drive them right back into their secret hidden Idaho, Wyoming and Montana militia training camps.

    Shows what cowards the right wingers are. They love to play toy soldiers but not a one of them ever volunteers for action in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria.

    Men with big mouths usually have no balls.

    1. dpaano August 17, 2017

      It’s interesting that the top 10 states with the most hate groups are: Indiana, Missouri, Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Idaho, and Montana! Who would have guessed that outside of Idaho and Montana, most southern states are filled with these people! Maybe they should get together and secede from the U.S……we could certainly do very well without them since they don’t really offer anything of any value to this nation that I’m aware of!

  9. planetc August 17, 2017

    Thank you for this sensitive, ornery, lucid essay on the events at Charlottesville, especially the information on Lee’s advice to his fellow southerners. I, too, see the neo-Nazis and White Supremacists as being historically dunderheaded. Aren’t they aware that this country has fought two wars over the issues they think are still alive? And that the wars decided the issues against them? Not to mention the deep impracticality of whatever it is they might be recommending. These people need to get a country. Another country, not this one, which has made up its mind about Nazism and white supremacy. Let them go to another continent, if they can find one, and form a country where African Americans aren’t welcome. Do they understand the quality of professional sports they would enjoy? As for Nazis, WWII veterans’ grandchildren will explain things to them if they can catch them without a gun on their persons, which is unlikely because they don’t feel safe without their guns. Pitiful. Pitiful. And smelling of citronella.

  10. Richard Prescott August 17, 2017

    Good article. Too bad some of our leaders don’t see it that way.

  11. ivory69690@yahoo.com August 17, 2017

    the scary thing is with all the evil Satan hate of the neo Nazi KKK white supremacist terrorist in the country and DUMPSTER DONNY starting this race war . WELL I know there is a lot more in the USA that hate the way thy are and wouldn’t run with them . so the numbers would be a lot more of people that are not like the racist hater neo Nazi KKK white supremacist terrorist . but with the race war thy have to just kill anyone that isn’t one of them . as for the good side its hard to know who is the racist hater neo Nazi KKK white supremacist terrorist . for them asll being white and looking like any and all white people no one can tell the difference between then . not knowing the true evil hatred that runs in side of them . easy for one of them to be a spy . then for a black man Jewish or Muslim man to getting to their side to spy .

  12. ivory69690@yahoo.com August 17, 2017

    as for all these the south confederacy statues and monuments people these were all put up and was meant to be just like a sleeper put together by the racist hate and evil of people that knew them sleeping will wake up at some point and give more live to the evil hatred racist that has never left too many people in the country (and world ) and sure enough look now the racist hate is up and stronger then ever sad to say . the neo Nazi joined in to the KKK white supremacist terrorist in the country that make up a lot of the hatred of the north and south war . not even being in the war its just something thy can let out the evil racist hate thy have inside of their evil body’s . im a Democrat YES and there are the gang of pinheads = GOP that keep saying to me give it up you loss the election .. I see it no its not just me that loss its every one in the country and world that loss with this DUMPSTER DONNY CLOWN in the house

  13. ivory69690@yahoo.com August 17, 2017

    so how about this a little play back of words to the CONFEDERACY of the south give it up you loss the war . and the country is a much better place that you did and another shout out while im here to the NEO NAZI’S your Hitler hero loss and all of you with him . you should give it up also . that Hitler was a coward he planted one in his head . but he wasn’t as big a coward as DUMPSTER DONNY that coward dodged the draft 5 times the coward .. how dose it feel DUMPSTER DONNY Hitler had bigger stones then your pebbles or closer grains of sand LITTLE HANDS DONNY the country will be better off if you feel the Hitler was a hero . like the neo Nazi clowns do . if you do take his way out . that would be the best thing you could do for the country and the world ! and be fitting for the coward you truly are inside .

  14. ivory69690@yahoo.com August 17, 2017

    Trump and race: Decades of fueling divisions yes the history of racist run like a Tsunami through the vain of the DUMPSTER DONNY’S KLAN back in 1926 I believe didn’t go to court till 1927 DUMPSTER DADDYO got arrested being a KKK clown then . and either one of the piles or both of human waste said that thy didn’t want a black man counting their money . as I see it there should be more worried about that pair that swing from the back of a bull’s sack them counting anyone’s money weather thy be black , Jewish , Muslim any color ,creed, creation or race has a lot more to worry about if any the DUMPSTER KLAN was to count their money . look at the DUMPSTER’S KLAN history you tell me who you would rather have count your money ?

  15. ivory69690@yahoo.com August 17, 2017

    OK HERE’S SOME EASY READING OF DUMPSTER DONNY’S FOOLING ALL YOU PLAN this is just what the clown dump is planning . I just find it hard to believe that knowing DUMPSTER DONNY as the history and the news has shown every one thy cant catch his whole plan . its all part of his plan DONNY is doing all this BULLSHIfTING now because its his get out of trouble free card . he is now playing (know first he is the sneakiest even slimy snake that has ever lived ) he is playing the country and the world . the world playing is his EGO he dosent have to play or fool them it just feed his addiction he is the worse addict junky ever b ut his drug of choose as strange as it might sound its simple plain old ATTENTION that his fix just attention . so his game now is he knows its a matter of time before his whole world falls in on him . with Mueller closing in on him backing the clown into the corner his card is playing the mentally ill ! going so far in (to make sure it works ) to the worse form of the mentally retardation . he knows there he can make it . the thing all has to know is its all just his game plan that’s it . he plans to fool every one and get away with it . its going to be up to the people judges and jury’s to see through his BULLSHIfT . HE WILL GET AWAY WITH IT IF THE PEOPLE DONT GO IN WITH THEIR EYES OPEN .

  16. ivory69690@yahoo.com August 17, 2017

    by the time Mueller is done with his investigation DUMPSTER DONNY will have maybe 100 years he should go to jail for . but him getting his form of mentally retardation as he plans he wont do any time . DONT BE FOOLED PEOPLE he is easy to read just think the worse and there you are right in the middle of DUMPSTER DONNY .(STILL TOO GOOD FOR HIM ) all he is doing now is his planed way to get out of all the self inflicted BULLSHIfT he got into himself . started at birth (or more likely when he hatched

  17. johninPCFL August 17, 2017

    “Vanilla ISIS” – kind of says it all. These freaks mimic the tactics of ISIS and expect to be treated as heroes by American citizens.

    Well, Agent Orange and “No Browns” Bannon treat them as heroes anyway…

  18. rhetoric_phobic August 18, 2017

    This is a good article and I can’t get the link to open when I attempt to forward it so I apologize for the length of the post. I found it and parts of it to be a good response to the rhetoric from the right:

    “As white supremacists and neo-Nazis crawl out of the woodwork and try to infest our communities with hate, it is important to contest their revisionist history.

    Yes, take down the statues that were erected to whitewash the Confederate cause and directly or indirectly support white supremacy. Yes, take down the Confederate battle flags that were placed there for the same reason. Yes, rename schools, roads and parks that honor prominent Confederates.

    But also, states, cities, counties and school districts should review the untruths currently taught in our schools about the Civil War and its aftermath. Many textbooks still incorporate these politically-motivated lies.

    White Grievance

    You’ve probably heard that Trumpism stems from white grievance, a series of lies that make less-educated whites believe they are the victims of discrimination.

    This story is popular in far-right media, and diverts attention away from the real culprits – the rich and powerful who, over the past 40 years, have systematically redirected the fruits of American productivity away from workers and into their own pockets, destroying economic security by closing factories, outsourcing jobs, busting unions, abusing customers, and cutting middle-class wages and benefits.

    But there is another right-wing story that has received little attention until recently. It is the myth of the Confederacy. And this series of falsehoods does not require the sponsorship of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh or Breitbart – it comes directly from our grade-school history books.

    Romanticizing the Confederacy

    Didn’t your history book say that the Civil War was about “states’ rights” rather than slavery? Might it have referred to the “War Between the States,” a name that implies the two sides were equally to blame? Wasn’t Robert E. Lee described as a kind man who didn’t really believe in slavery?

    Perhaps the Confederate battle flag was offered as a non-racist symbol of the south? And didn’t your history book assert that Ulysses S. Grant was one of our worst presidents, both corrupt and a drunk? Remember?

    All of this – the entire romanticizing of the Confederacy and the demonizing of the Confederacy’s opponents – is fake news. It was invented for political purposes – like the cultivation of white victimhood today – and in no way represents what people thought or said during the Civil War or its aftermath.

    The Gallant South

    Let’s revisit the Gallant South, and examine the real history of the Confederacy, point by point:

    The Confederacy Was Formed, and the South Started the Civil War, to Protect Slavery

    Modern historians, referring to the original documents and statements of the time, do not question that slavery was the primary cause of the South’s rebellion. As the Confederacy’s vice president explained in his famous Cornerstone Speech:

    The new [confederate] constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution – American slavery as it exists amongst us – the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

    The Name “War Between the States” is Propaganda

    There was no war “between the states.” The Civil War was a rebellion against the central government – a revolution against the United States of America.

    The phrase “War Between the States” was not in general use until after the war and not particularly well-known until the United Daughters of the Confederacy promoted the name in the 20th Century. The term, designed to absolve the south of blame, is simply false.

    Robert E. Lee Strongly Supported Slavery and Was Not Kind to Black Americans At All

    In fact, Lee was a rather cruel slaveowner. His army was ruthless to black soldiers and civilians. He publicly and privately supported slavery, argued that slavery was good for Black Americans. Lee strongly opposed emancipation. He was not kind, understanding or Christian to black Americans.

    The Confederate Battle Flag Is a Racist Symbol

    For more than 150 years, the Confederate Battle Flag has been used to symbolize anti-black discrimination and violence, the Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow, segregation, and resistance to desegregation. There is really no debate that its re-adoption and use since 1948 has been an open statement of white supremacy and opposition to civil rights for African Americans. Non-racists should not display it.

    Ulysses S. Grant Was Not a Bad President

    My school textbook ranked Grant as the worst president. This is pure fabrication, based on the 20th-century writings of pro-Confederacy historians.

    Modern historians rank Grant in the middle tier of presidents, while Americans at the time adored him. His memoir was a massive bestseller and his death in 1885 “brought a tidal wave of emotional eulogizing.” There is no objective evidence that, as a general or president, he was ever “a drunk.”

    The Cost of Myths

    These myths about the Confederacy have helped to fuel the current outpourings of hate. It is time for American governments to step up and tell the truth about our nation’s history.

    Governments should be held accountable, and investigate whether Confederate myths are still foisted on our schoolchildren. When such myths are found, we should tear them down, too, and in their place build up a foundation for our culture that is based on historical accuracy.

    Truth is the best remedy for hate.”

    Bernie Horn is the Senior Director for Policy and Communication at the Public Leadership Institute

    1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth August 23, 2017

      Great post—thanks.


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