By Jason Sattler

Democrats Quickly Reject Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ And The President’s Social Security Cuts

December 18, 2012 12:44 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 155 Comments A+ / A-
Democrats Quickly Reject Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ And The President’s Social Security Cuts

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) announced Tuesday that he’ll bring a bill to a vote this week that will extend the Bush tax cuts for all income under $1,000,000, a plan that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) endorsed before the election to point out that Republicans were not willing to raise taxes on anyone.

Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) says Democrats will oppose the bill. The White House also quickly batted down the offer.

The president “is not willing to accept a deal that doesn’t ask enough of the very wealthiest in taxes and instead shifts the burden to the middle class and seniors,” White House spokesman Jay Carney said in a statement. ”The Speaker’s ‘Plan B’ approach doesn’t meet this test because it can’t pass the Senate and therefore will not protect middle class families, and does little to address our fiscal challenges with zero spending cuts.”

Boehner’s self-proclaimed “Plan B” is an attempt to settle the largest part of the so-called “fiscal cliff” before the Christmas holiday, and reassured Wall Street.

The speaker also promised to continue negotiations with President Obama for a larger settlement that would prevent the sweeping sequestration, which would make potentially painful cuts to the military, Medicare, education and other discretionary spending.

President Obama’s latest offer, which came after his private meeting with Speaker Boehner Monday night, is a tribute to his advantage in these negotiations compared to the debt limit negotiations of 2011. The “grand bargain” he offered then was reportedly 3-to-1 spending cuts to revenue versus this proposal, which nearly balances spending cuts with the ending of tax breaks exactly. That deal was said to raise the Medicare eligibility age to 67 and implement a “chained CPI” on Social Security and Medicare that would decrease benefits on an ongoing basis.

The president’s current offer includes no increase in eligibility. However, it does include the Social Security and Medicare cuts, with a possible exception for lower-income Americans. In a concession to Republicans, the president also offered to raise the threshold of income that would retain the Bush tax breaks to $400,000. Extending the debt ceiling for two years was also part of the deal.

The offer did not include the extension of the temporary payroll tax cut that began in 2010, meaning middle-class Americans will pay around $1,000 more a year.

Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL), a close friend and former mentor of the president, rejected the idea of making cuts to Social Security benefits Tuesday.

“We ought to deal with Social Security in a separate conversation that is not part of deficit reduction,” Durbin told The Washington Post‘s Greg Sargent. “To do it at this stage is the wrong way to go.”

In addition, the nation’s largest progressive group, MoveOn.org, reacted harshly to the proposed deal, saying that they would do everything in its power to kill it.

“MoveOn members overwhelmingly oppose cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits, and they’ve made clear that they would see any fiscal agreement that cuts such benefits as a betrayal that sells out working and middle-class families — whether the cuts come via a chained CPI, increased Medicare eligibility age, or in some other form,” said MoveOn executive director Justin Ruben.

On the other side, the Club for Growth, a right-wing organization that prides itself on defeating Republicans who vote to raise taxes in primaries, has blasted Speaker Boehner for offering to raise rates and including a raising of the debt ceiling in a deal. “The debt ceiling is the only mechanism in law that can restrain spending and hitting it forces Washington to confront its spending problem,” Club for Growth president Chris Chocola said in a statement Monday.

The New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman wrote Monday, “[C]utting Social Security benefits is a cruel, stupid policy — just not nearly as cruel and stupid as raising the Medicare eligibility age. But sometimes you have to accept bad things in pursuit of a larger goal…”

He said he was “agonizing” about the deal already and any further concessions would be a “non-starter.”

But clearly Boehner will demand more concessions.

This leads us to the need for a “Plan B.” We’ll find out if Boehner has enough Republican support to pass his plan in the House if he brings it up for a vote.

Meanwhile, Democrats already have their own Plan B — the Senate passed a bill that would extend tax cuts on all incomes under $250,000 this summer. The question is if negotiations fail and the Senate won’t take up Boehner’s bill, will Boehner give it a vote or go willingly over the cliff?

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

    Is it just me or should we be thanking the Speaker for saving the President from himself? It seems to me that ‘plan B’ takes Monday’s offer from the administration off the table. Maybe we can get back to the campaign pledge of raising taxes on the top 2% at the $250k level. Forget the grand bargin stuff and finish the demise of the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy first. We have plenty of time to deal with all of the other fiscal problems facing the nation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

      Republicans interpreted President Obama’s last offer as a sign of weakness and, not surprisingly, they over reached, as usual. If Democrats had guts, and that is a big IF, they should lower the tax rate increase bar to $200K in response to Boehner’s latest proposal.

      • highpckts

        Where is their spine? I so want them to do that!!

        • CPANewYork

          I like taxing all of the offshore money held by American citizens at regular tax rates.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/U43YI4C62UQAAWFYZZQJGZGORE Anna

        I so agree. If they don’t respond to that, then lower it again. That should get their attention.

    • CPANewYork

      How about we remove the offshore tax havens and tax all of the offshore money at the regular rates?

      • JAYROSE

        CPANEWYORK you are right remove all the off shore tax havens and make oil companys and big companys like GE. bring back our jobs .
        and then china will have to quit tying there childern to chairs and locking there factory doors so the workers can’t get out even if the pass out .
        they will have to answer to Jesus as the same as every one will .
        Jesus said let the little childern come unto me .

      • Canistercook

        I think its the successful people who will be going offshore. I see little point in staying in country that seeks to take away the fruits of peoples hard work and achievement. Guess then the losers can prop up one another.

  • 2hheels2

    Boehner’s plan as usual is a terrible plan. WE voted for the president and he knows what we want and what we will except. The Party of the rich has caused this economic dilemma and now they don’t like it. It is time for the rich to pay and for the protection that the GOP has over them be broken. They have had all of the breaks for years. This country has made them rich and they need to support the country now. Get some more stimulus that the economist say and keep up the growth that has started.

  • BillFromPA

    A lot just happened. Obama made an offer that looked like a sellout to us but appears balanced to non-wingnuts in the electorate at large. This was probably Obama’s calculation from the start and could’ve backfired if the repugs accepted, but that requires sanity on their part so no danger there. This furthers the idea among the populace that it’s the GOP that’s being unreasonable, going over the cliff will be all their fault. Also, our side responded just a negatively to the deal as the tea baggers did, thus giving Obama cover, he can’t very well go farther than that if his base despises even this much of a concession.

    The stage is now set, we’re going over, barring a complete cave by the repugs, don’t hold your breath on that one. So, all rates go up, our guys/gals propose restoring Bush rates on the 98%, and other goodies as well, let’s see the repugs obstruct that. Then, how do you think hostage taking on the debt ceiling will go over a few more weeks down the road? We can still blow this, if we try, but the table is sset to our advantage, and I don’t think by accident

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    At this point, the best option may be to let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone on 1/1/13 and let Mr Boehner and the Republicans explain why that happened. The House controls the purse, they are responsible for making financial decisions and writing legislation needed to support Federal government programs and taxes. If they don’t know how to do it, or they are so beholden to their donors that they put them ahead of the interests of the middle class, let them explain their position to the American people. We are all ears.

    Raising the tax rate for those earning over $1M will do nothing to reduce the current budget deficits, borrowing to pay for the things we need and/or our commitments, and reduce the accumulation of debt. The tax rate for families earning over $250K must revert back to Clinton era levels (the increase is only 3.6%), and we must reduce spending. Otherwise, the whole exercise is a charade.

    The time to wait until someone blinks is over. If Boehner does not have the guts to make a decision, he should step aside and let someone else take over. Who knows, maybe McConnell was right when he proposed abrogating Congressional responsibilities and letting President Obama handle the situation…until he decided to filibuster his own proposal.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kay-F-Ferguson/1611135655 Kay F. Ferguson

      The last thing we need is for Obama to handle the situation. He wants a blank check and he is not going to get it. Why take from people who have earned money and give to those who have not? Why demand that legal American citizens foot the bill for healthcare for illegal criminals? He should not be trusted with other people’s money, because he’ll just buy more guns for middle eastern terrorists or mexican drug cartels. Wake up and see what failure looks like, then tell the rest of the twisted libs about it. Hey, this time its not Bush’s fault.

      • karinursula

        If anyone is twisted it is you. I’m American citizen and worked in this country for over 40 years. I earned my SS and Medicare, those are not entitlements. Congress is the one who appropriates the money not the President.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

          OBAMA THE GREAT > WILL work his MAJAC .Watch congress lose that power and go to PRESIDENT OBAMA>

      • puzzled21

        Please excuse me, you are an idiot. The air that you are breathing is being wasted.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

          WHAT YOU TOLD KAY YOU ARE AND ASS HOLE.

          • puzzled21

            If Kate posted her honest beliefs and you are in agreement, then you both are wasting air. Peace

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

        Don!t count on it. . He will get his blank check.George Bush got his blank check for 6 years . On Iraq the WAR that was base on a lie.Now it is OBAMA turn to get his blank check. KAY don!t be to sure he will not get it. Already has congress on there KNESS saying we !ll go with plan b. Where will put taxes on people making over a million a year or better.Watch him working his OBAMA MAJIC have congress go all the way down to people who make 250,000 or more per year to pay there fair of taxes.Of course CONGRESS DOES NOT WANT AMERICA GO OFF THE CLIFF.. SO CONGROSS will bow down to OBAMA. He will get his blank check to. OBAMA the GREAT PRESIDENT will win.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

        TRusted George Bush with our money. What did he do with it. Spent four trillion ,On a year base on a lie.Spent 300 billion to bail out the banks. 18 MILLIOM PEOPLE LOST THERE 401K. Cause the great ression of 2008. Go on and on.So now it is OBAMA the great . PRESIDENT HAS TURN KNOW. Trust him before George Bush. .Kay get over. OBAMA won the elecation.He will do what he wants.. Just like George Bush did. THERE IS NOT A DAM THING YOU or YOUR STUPIED TEA PARTY CAN DO ABOUT IT… KISS OUR DOMERICATE ASS AND GET OVER IT.WE IN charge now. OUr turn for a blank check..For the next 4 wonderful years of OBAMA and Domericate power. I love it . As the actor Jackie Gleason use to say .HOW SWEET IT IS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      tHE RICH NEED TO BE TAX. CONGRESS lAST 2 YERAS GAVE OBAMA HELL ABOUT THAT 2 % NOT BEING TAX. nOW OBAMA WILL MAKW IT HAPPENED. iT NOT REDUCE ANYTHING. I DO NOT CARE. IT IS THE PRINCIPAL WHAT THEY DID TO OBAMA THE LAST 2 . ABOUT PAY BACK. NOW CONGRESS WILL FEEL OBAMA WRATH.

  • http://twitter.com/damspahn Dam Spahn

    Cutting COLA is a tax on the elderly. Why? What did they do? Work all their lives, pay into a system, and then get screwed to protect special interests? WTH?

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      Screw Boehner, Cantor And The Rest Of The Low Life American Taliban Somebody Needs To Remind Them They Lost!! Why In The Hell He Thinks He Can Push Romney No Good Plans On Us When We Voted Against Them!!! All Boehner And The Rest Of These Thugs Doing Is Writing Their Own Pink Slips, Cause We Will Not Forget This Come 2014 When We Will Vote Their Asses Out Of Office!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QLY7BDUOGJVXHZRD2ONBLSFTVU Almond Grouper

        Tell it like it is GIRL!!! Too bad they’re not togh enough to face the truth!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Stoll/100000621443352 Michael Stoll

        BaROKE Obama and the DEMS haven’t passes a budget in 4ys . They have however passed their bowel movement onto the American People . The Budgets BaROKE has put forth were laughed at by his own peeps . Dont blame the republicans for Obama’s incompetence they only control Congress . At least the Republicans have a plan . By the way the American Taliban would be Obama supporting the Muslim Brotherhood . Ninny

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          Hey Michael Rush Limdick Left A message For You He Said You Forgot To Give Him His Daily Blow Job And He’s Mad!! Better Get To Sucking Troll!!!

          • RobertCHastings

            Ouch!

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            It Was Meant To Hurt!! I’ve Been Telling All Of These Lowlife Lying Trolls Don’t Push My Reply Button With Their Bullshit I Give Less Than A Damn What They Have To Say Cause It Just More Lies And Dumb Shit!! Each Time They Do I Just Rip Them A New Asshole!! They Need To Stop Talking To Me!!

          • GetrealKC

            Class act

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            You Can Get Some Too Just Keep On Pushing My Button!!!

          • Germansmith

            wow Fern, Your language is turning me on

            Maybe I can buy you a drink someday?? I’ll bring my goat, I promise

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Make Sure You Not Screwing The Goat That’s Called Animal Abuse!!! No Thank You I Don’t Drink!!

          • Canistercook

            LOWER class act!

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Low Life Koch Brothers Ass Sucking Troll!! Now What BITCH!!! Did You Forget Your Nightly Duties?? You Know You Got The Night Shift On The Blow Jobs You Need To Quit Playing You Sissy Ass Tea Bagging BITCH!!!

          • Canistercook

            Really Really lower class act!

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Really Really Dumb Ass Troll!! Go Fuck Yourself!!

          • dsand1445

            LMAO down goes mike the dumbass….down goes mike the dumbass… And the winner by K.O and still the WWWOOORRLLLDDD Champion Fern to damn much Woooooooooodfork

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Denis-Winkle/100003193604251 Denis Winkle

            Fern It’s O.K. ! You can’t tell “stupidity” anything. When it come to the upright heart.

        • RobertCHastings

          And why do you think OBama has not been able to pass a budget? Don’t tax yourself too much thinking about that one, because the answer is so obvious, even a Republican should be able to figure it out. “Don’t blamethe republicans …they only control Congress.” You said it yourself. Sounds like another Republican moron thinking, still, that OBama is a Muslim. That dog don’t hunt.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/3B4RQPFNIPO6R74J5UMDA24A7A Paul

          Speaking of bowel movements; your party feels that because they are elderly and retired and living on that hugh monthly check that they diligently saved all their lives trusting that the promise made to them would be kept, deserve instead shit on! Hope your attitude towards your fellow man visits your door-step in spades you communist!

        • ONALIMB

          Let Congress to repay the money they stole from Social Security to pay for the Vietnam war.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            Don’t Forget That’s Not The Only Time They Screwed With Money !!!

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

          Michael, do you understand the way that the budget works its way into effect each year? The President only provides a wish list budget and the appropriation committees of each house approve, disapprove and finally a budget is sent to the White House for signing. Obama is no different from another President when it comes to the budget. Congress, and only Congress has the power of the purse. The nation has not fallen apart due to a lack of a budget. When there is no agreement on a budget, as we’ve seen these past few yiears, a series of ‘continuning resolutions’ are used to continue funding. These continuing resolution extends funding if and until new appropriations bills become law. Everything continues to occur just as if a budget was actually in place. The Obama never had a budget argument is false and a red herring. For further guidance please read your Constituition.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/GJHUMV4VTNR3R4YQUHTAE66LKE haddon linda

          your head is stuck up your own a–! so how’s your robe and hood ?, oh, deliberately blind one regarding President Obama. your brotherhood of bigotry is self-evident!

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          BREAKING NEWS::::::: TIME MAGAZINE PERSON OF THE YEAR IS:::::BARACK H. OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • puzzled21

          Your ass must be pissed with your mouth due to all of the shit that comes out of it.

    • severio

      WHAT WRONG WITH OBAMA, HE WAS SAYING BEFORE THE RE- ELECTION ,
      SOCIAL SECURITY .AND MEDICARE ,AND MEDICAID, ARE OFF THE TABLE.
      AND I SEE IT HE IS READY TO SELL THE SENIORS ON SOCIAL SECURITY ,HE IS READY TO SALE US, I,M VERY UPSET WITH THE PRESIDENT OBAMA ,WHAT WRONG WITH HIM ? LET GIVE OBAMA STRONG COMPLAINT .DON’T MESS WITH SOCIAL SECURITY ,AND MEDICARE.WE WORKED ALL WHOLE LIFE FOR THAT .AND WE PAYED ,AND STILL PAYING NOW,IS NOT FREE. IS NOT CHARITY

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

        NEEDS TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE. yOU WRITING . SEEM YOU ARE A SENIOR. WHEN YOU WHERE YOUNGER. YOU SHOULD HAVE SAVED YOU MONEY. INSTED OF WASTING IT mOST PEOPLE IN THE USA HAVE DONE. …………..THERE IS AND OLD SAYING . IT IS NOT WHAT YOU MAKE. IT IS WHAT YOU SAVE,.i HEAR PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. I MADE 50,000 100,000 15,000 250,000………..tHEN I ALWAYS ASK THE QUESTION. wHAT DO YOU HAVE SAVED. MOST OF THE TIME THEY SAY VERY LITTLE………I HAVE BEEN WORKING FO OVER 38 YEARS . I NEVER MADE MORE THAN 50,00 A YEAR, BUT I HAVE OVER 400,000 SAVED I A PERIOD OF 38 YEARS.
        .I live very sample all my life………………………..SO MR. SENIOR……….ALL YOUR LIFE I BET YOU SAVED VERY LITTLE…SO NOW YOU DEPEND ON social security and medicare . For most of your needs………..WELL I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU. OBAMA people will be cutting social securtiy and medicare..NOW AND CONTINUE CUTTING A LITTLE EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS…………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SO MR SENIOR. YOUR social security and medicare will be mess with.ALL YOUR LIFE YOU COULD SAVE JUST LIKE ME. …..mOST PEOLE IN THE USA LIVE ABOVE YOU MEANS. DID NOT SAVED ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So Mr Senior .When the social security and medicare is going to be cut every year for the next 4 years…………………..I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AT ALL. .AS I SAID IT IS NOT WHAT YOU MAKE IT IS WHAT YOU SAVE,.I want social security amd medicare for all the geration after me. …………So get over it Mr. SENIOR. You should have saved seem you did not. GO TO CHARITY WHEN THEY GOVERMENT START CUTTING SOCIAL SECUTIY AND MEDICARE.IF IT GET THAT BAD FOR . I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR YOU OR ANYONE WHO HAS NOT SAVE ALL THE LIFE. .iT FUNNY MR SENIOR. . I ONLY SAVE ABOUT $150 A MONTHFOR 38 YEARS . BUT IN INVESTED THE RIGHT WAY,. SO FOR I HAVE 400,000 . So you see Mr senior it took very little a mont to saVE A LOT LATER.NOW. YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. .cHOSE TO BLOW ALL YOUR MONEY IN A LIFE TIME. …………………….wHEN THE CUTS COME . I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ARE ANYONE ELSE WHO DID NOT SAVE.

  • highpckts

    tsk tsk tsk!! Boehner, shame on you!! Now come up with something valid!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      HI MR TEA PARTY,YA!LL LOST OBAMA WON.NOW PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES.

  • JGlackin

    Is Bohner’s Plan B to be available over the counter?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      JUDT KNOWING THAT BOHERS!S .HAD TO GIVE IN TO OBAMA TO TAX THE RICH IS SO GREAT.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EQ5LTH2XTZCVP7G4FGK6Z2YTJE ignore the facts

    Again, the repugs want it all. To hell with the working people. Same as Ohio that just ruined the state – that’s what you get when yo allow a legislature to be all repugnican. Repugs HATE us all. Don’t foget it.

    • stcroixcarp

      Remember, there are more of us than there are of them!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      UNION FORCE PEOPLE TO PAY UNION DUES. That is wrong.Now with the new law in place in OHIO. Now people have a choice. To join or not. In LOUISIANA that law has been on the books for over 25 yeras. Union in LOUSISANA just like OHIO. The law in LOUISIANA work fine. New law in OHIO as the years go by. It will work there to.SO GET OVER YOURSELF.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JQSXEIQNDPVMLG7X5TFGPT6YRA empaty1

    Republicans delay aid to Sandy storm sufferers, delaying the help for the unwealthyist of this country and continue to try to fake out the President of the United States. WHO is the president anyway- Boehner? Boehner has no figures that works, the top economists already proved that, but they really think ignoring the poor and elderly, sick and shut-in, veterans, etc. is just ok. Meanwhile, they pay low taxes, get everything paid for (insurances, etc) and lots of perks on capitol hill – but thats ok. Lord help.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      REPUBLICANS ARE STUPIED. NEVER HAD A PLAN. ALL CONGRESS DID FOR 2 YEARS .BITCH ABOUT WHAT OBAMA DID.NOW OBAMA IS BACK IN OWER AGAIN FOR 4 MORE YEARS.CONGRESS WILL FEEL HIS WRATH, JUST AS NOW CONGRESS IS ON THERE KNESS ALREADY BOWING DOWN . TO OBMAM THE GREAT. SEEM CONGRESS HAS A PLAN B TO TAX PEOPLE WHO MAKE A MILLION A YEAR OR BETTER.OBAMA THE GREAT . THE PRESIDENT ALREDY HAS CONGRESS CAVING IN TO TAX THE RICH. WITH THE REPUBLICANS CONRESSS EVIL WAYS.

  • winyan

    The Elderly will be hurt most of whom have paid 40+ years into a system that should be there for them.

    Rich be DAMNED!

    • montanabill

      Should be there for them, except that after 5-7 years of collecting they have received everything they and their employer deposited, plus interest. After that, they are effectively on welfare. Oh, and there are a whole lot of people, including kids, that did not deposit into SS that are collecting it. Add to that the extremely large number of new people of SS disability, a ‘middle class tax cut’ that was really a short changing of SS deposits, and you can see why the system is in trouble.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LCXMWHFPRMEYD4RWN56QE2FF4 Grunge45

        Looks like you never heard of interest Put money into a system for 30 years, and can easily double, and more, in value. I guess all those people buying bonds go on welfare once they get their money back.

        • puzzled21

          Exactly

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

          Did you know that President Nixon sign a bill in the year of 1973. To take money out of our social security fund. To balance the budget that year.Congress has BEEN STEALING THE MONEY EVERY YEAR SENSE then. Giving IOU. That is only reason why CONGRESS DOES NOT WANT the american people. To privatiZZZZZZZZZZZZ there social security .Because congress could noy STEAL THE MONEY from the american people anymore.

        • montanabill

          It could if there were a guaranteed interest payment. How have your investments done?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZJ5BBSQIGTUMERPZFALES6HQNY Bill

            Apparently you never heard of GIC’s guaranteed insurance contracts. Additionall the money taken by FICA 40 years ago was worth more than the $ is today. As for my investments I done well for myself but still will take my SS monthly payment. It’s a contract entered into by myself and the Federal Gov’t that states I can collect at 62 or older. Do you have a problem with contracts?

          • montanabill

            No problem with contracts. But SS was a one sided agreement. You couldn’t opt out and you have no control over changes made to it. Technically, not a contract.

            A dollar may have been worth more, say in 1945, but if you have a 1945 dollar, it will only buy what a 2010 dollar will buy.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

        You seem a little confused about how the SS program actually works and how it is funded. This from the trustees might help.

        Real wages, that means the growth in wages after adjusting for inflation, will grown on average by more than 40% over the next 30 years. This means that if a typical worker is making $38k in 2012, then a typical worker will be earning more than $53,200 in 2042 in todays dollars. In other words more revenue is being projected into the trust fund over the years.

        By comparison, the trustee’s report tell us that if we want to have SS fully funded for the rest of the 21st century, it would take a tax increase of 1.3% on both the worker and the employer. This assumes that we make up the projected shortfall entirely by raising the payroll tax, as opposed to say, raising the cap on wages (now $110K) that are subject to the tax. It also assume no cuts whatsoever in scheduled benifits.

        Social Security is not the problem in our budget and the system is not in any trouble, at least not in a way that can’t be easily fixed. The problem is out of control health care cost that are ever rising. An increase of 1.35% of payroll tax, half of which would be applied to the employee and half to the employer would solve that shortfall. Again, assuming no other changes and we make the program fully funded based exclusively on payroll tax increases, the combined tax hit for SS and Meicare is just 10% of the projected wage growth over the next 30 years.

        No need to panic, we have plenty of time to solve these problems. Even Medicare as point out above can be solved without doing anything about the cost curve. Certainly doing something to curb the growth in the cost area can and will be done.

        • montanabill

          I’m not the least bit confused about how it works nor that it is in serious trouble.

          Am I to gather that your solution is yet another increase in taxes? Take more from people to solve government created problems?

          And do you have any knowledge of medical costs and Medicare reimbursements, and what it is doing to our healthcare system? Want to curb the growth of costs in healthcare? Get the government completely out of it.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      WHEN OBAMA GRT THREW. WITH THE RICH . THEY WILL FEEL LIKEM THAT HAVE BEEN DAMMED ALL THE THE WAY TO HELL.

  • mbee1

    The liberals are pretty consistent. 100,000 dollars in federal debt for every man woman and child, spending at 1.5 trillion in the hole with no end in site, SS and medicare are broke with no plan to fix the problem, buying votes with borrowed funds our kids will have to pay back just like the kids of Greece. If you do not like Plan B, than actually propose a plan to fix the spending and stop the borrowing. Krugman Obumas point man said the Democrats will fix the deficit with inflation so I suggest you look up Carter and the stagflation he caused for a real life demonstration of Dems policy.

    • metrognome3830

      No, mbeet, Social Security is not broke. It was robbed. The money was “borrowed” and now the “borrowers” don’t want to pay it back. Where was your concern when our great leaders decided to spend all the money they had and then take the funds from Social Security to cover their over-spending? Where were your objections to getting into two unfunded, and unnecessary wars? Where were your objections when Ronald Reagan ran up the first massive deficit after campaigning as a fiscal conservative? Now that the government has been stripping the SS fund for the past 50+ years you suddenly realize that they may not have any funds left over for you. So your answer is don’t re-pay the money and let your parents and grandparents go to hell. You just skipped plan, B, C, D, E and went straight to FU.

  • AFV

    Grandma’s medicaid and social security check didn’t get us here but they’re trying to blame her so they can punish me. It will take an act of God to get me to even consider voting republican, ever again.

  • Progressive Patriot

    I agree with Dominick (below), the tax cap at 1 million will do little to reduce the deficit. The $250,000 limit will in reality also not be enough. But it is important to me as a symbol of acknowledgement that We The People have sacraficed enough over the past 30 years, and especially over the last 12, while the top 1% has made obscene gains in wealth (Don’t the rest of you see this as a prime example of the REAL redistribution of wealth? Not what the Right whines about in the Corporate Media?).

    To ask us to continue to absorbe the pain of cuts to vital services, while our incomes have declined (outsourcing of manufacturing, the war on workers, The Great Recession…), our retirements have been redistributed to bankers and hedge fund managers who acted illegally, we have lost value in, or have lost our homes… is an insult, and absolutely absurd.
    They (Big Money and The Aristocrats) have corrupted our government and rewritten the rules, so that they get off scott free. We were dragged into two wars, wrote blank checks to the insurance industry for the Medicaid prescription non-negotiation, gave major tax breaks to businesses so that they could take our good paying manufacturing jobs out of the country… and we pay all the bills. All the while, using the corporate media to cast We The People as moochers and slackers.

    THAT is why it is so important to me that the top earners begin to pay their fair share. I’ve sacraficed enough, and saved their Corporate Welfare Grubbing, ungrateful, entitled butts as much as I can stand!

    No cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security! We’ve already sacraficed enough! It’s your turn, 1%er’s.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      250,000 OBAMA needs to stay at.

      • Progressive Patriot

        I’m with you, Charles! Call your Representatives!
        P.P.

    • karinursula

      Yes you are right, it is the principle.

    • Canistercook

      Anyone who thinks earning $250,000 is an obscene gain in wealth does not live in an area where it won’t even buy a studio apartment to live in and many have to commute
      60 miles a day and pay for gas and car costs. Many do not understand how much effort and work many in the higher income brackets have done to achieve their level of success. Seems like there is a great deal of resentment and jealousy around these days. Not all high income individuals were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, many worked hard for many years.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

        IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. MOVE TO THE GREAT STATE OF LOUISIANA.POORIST STATE IN THE NATION.THRE ARE 8 MILLION PEPOLE IN THIS STATE. AT LEAST 4 MILLION LIVE ON LESS THAN 18,000 OR LESS A YEAR.The point is . People who make 250,000 and above need to pay there fair share. IF people in LOUISIANA can live on less. ……So can people who make 250,000 or getter…..So need to pay there fair share of taxes………………OBAMA SHOULD NOT BACK DOWN AT ALL>congress is now on there so called plan B. For people Who make a million or more will be tax. AS I SAID BEFORE. …………PRESIDENT OBAMA NEEDS TO STICK TO THE POINT. ….FOR 3 YEARS HE HAS SAID PEOPLE MAKING 250,000 OR MORE NEEDS TO pay there fair share of TAXES……..Congress is already giving in to OBAMA,. There on there kness now…Congress is scared to go off the cliff.America will blame them not OBAMA>OBAMA MAJIC. HOLD OUT . CONGRESS WILL BOW DOWN TO 250,000. HAVE ON CHOICE…………………………….

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

        If you have a problem where you live . Cost to much. Move to LOUISIANA> Where it is cheaper to live get over it.

        • Canistercook

          I moved to where I could get a job and work!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

        250,000 will stay in place.Watch it happened. OBAMA said for the last 3 years . People making over 250,000 or more will pay there fair share of taxes. OBAMA WLL NOT BACK DOWN.

      • Progressive Patriot

        No Canistercook. $250,000 is not an obscene gain in wealth. If you are there, and have worked hard to do so. I applaud you! You deserve it.
        What I resent is that it seems that many people on the Right seem to think that those in lower income brackets do not work hard too. They have bought into Reagan’s,”Welfare Queen,” fantasy, but choose to remain blind to all of the Corporate Welfare and war mongering that has grown the deficit, while allowing the rich to become the obscenely rich.
        It ain’t about you. It’s about the business interests that continue to attack workers and focus only on profit, at the cost of living wages, and reasonable and safe working conditions. Interests that have turned the media into a propaganda network that defames the working poor and middle class. That work to strip needed social services, seeks to limit access to education, healthcare, a secure retirement, while their profits have grown 250-350 % over the last 30 years. Interests that have bought and corrupted our government, rewritten the rules so that they pay fewer or no taxes, and have the nerve to call us, “takers,” and, “slackers…” all the while, living the good life, while we must work harder and harder, and our families suffer, just so we can survive. Interests that are so miserly, that they don’t want to pay their fair share to maintain our infrastructure, seem satisfied with the 40,000 Americans that die each year due to inability to access healthcare, are OK with the massive debt that our children will amass (if they are lucky enough to get a college education), and now want to pay down the deficit on the backs of the people that they have greedily transfered wealth from for the past three decades.
        When someone has their foot on your throat; when you can’t seem to escape the predicament, no matter how hard you try; it’s not resentment or jealousy, It’s RAGE!

  • mbee1

    Actually the fiscal cliff would bring us back to the taxes under Clinton when things were looking up and the feds budget was balanced. The spending would have to be cut by about 25 percent which is doable. The only things that actually need fixing is the alternate tax.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

    OBAMA needs to stand his ground. After all Boehner . The spaker of the house. Gave OBAMA hell 2 years. About taxing the 2% rich.NOW OBAMA needs to HOLD STRONG. Make sure the rich pay there fair share.

  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.malone.50 Roger Malone

    LOL I wished i made 200,000.00 a year i would gladly pay a tax increase! But with a measley income of 40,000.oo I am the working poor. Richer get richer, working gets poorer, and the poor sit and draw a goverment check!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6BRPF4NL25AB6KRDUCS3HACHI Joseph

    What is this nonsense about Reptards not raising taxes? They have raised taxes on the decent patriotic working middle class Americans multiple times. They just sit there and lie about it. I have a proposal. Let’s reduce the salaries, expense account and all other income of the Senators and Representatives to ZERO. That would include all health care, life insurance, and any other perks being reduced to ZERO. While we’re at it, we need to impeach all of the them; including Mr. George W. Bush’s bought and paid for Supreme Court Justices. I and the rest of us paid dearly for the premiums of our Social Security Insurance. To paraphrase a comment from our NRA friends, “You will have to take that away from us with your cold clammy dead hands.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/S7WEUBYEKZ3GFKTLHTWRROWZUI yahoo-S7WEUBYEKZ3GFKTLHTWRROWZUI

    Boehner is just pain BAD at his job! Period. Half the tea party Republicans haven’t a clue how government works, and think it’s their way or the highway. Time is up for them. It’s time for the middle class to unite once and for all. Lets go over the cliff and then everyone go out in vote mid term. Have the biggest mid term drive in history and clean house. I’m with Woodfork…hand the fools pink slips. Time for explaining is over. Time to reminf these greedy fools in Washington that they serve for the people and by the people. Time to take their insurance, their pay raises, and everything else they voted on for themselves…the sons of bitches! Enough is enough!

  • notafoxfan

    people who make 250k and up yearly are not the ones who have been,nor will suffer if taxes go up,nor are they the ones who are collecting social security and using medicare..you cant make more than 14k yearly in any job and collect social security..employers (and they are few) who provide retiree medical,make medicare the primary coverage and any they might provide, the secondary at age 65,whether you like it or not..you can of course purchase a supplemental policy to the tune of 160 or more per month at age 65,but only at a specified time during the year,and once again,medicare is the primary coverage..the social security “bump ups” are basically non existent anymore,and this year it was so small it doesnt cover the raise in the cost of medicare..yes,for those of you who think its free at 65,its not! neither are the the part d prescription drug plans..all of those congressmen and senators who get benefits they vote for themselves,have no empathy at all for the rest of us,and that includes boehner..i voted for obama,but i will be sorly disappointed if he allows the “bully pulpit” to once again push him away from what he has promised and spoken about….

    • DurdyDawg

      I agree.. For four years the pubs had control and used it to their advantage while telling America that it was Obama’s do nothing attitude.. It made me sick and angry especially when I fact checked and realized it was the super majorities, filibustering and oaths to an unpatriotic prick that created this ‘can’t do anything’ president.. And the yells. “Worst president ever” and “Anybody but Obama” rang throughout the nation.. NOW the tide has changed, with their money, their propaganda and their faux news, the pubs still lost.. Now Obama can vindicate himself BUT if he continues to bend over and let the pubs eat him alive THEN he can be deemed the worst president ever.. I don’t think he wants this, I don’t think he will desert his word and the people who re-elected him.. I don’t want to call him the worst president ever.. Don’t put us in this situation Mr. President.. Stand up and deliver.. This is your last chance, do not blow it..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TT6POTCLZCE74T76WAJIIIUAHU frida

    Wastage of time. He has used plenty of hours negotiating in order to come up with this???? Your plan is rejected Boehner, move to Plan C. You still have many letters to reach Z.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FMUBMRNDEXOIF55F47MWM4U6ZY Right view

    Rasing Tax on people with income above $250,000 per year is 1/4 of fixing the
    deficits Bush created, if they reduce some of it by only taxing the earners from
    $1 million and above will not make it, the other 3/4 are : stoping all wars and
    bring all troops home now, stop Tax breaks to companies that sent millions of
    Jobs overseas, the 4th one is fixing Medicare part D ( not to cover medicines
    for all minor problems like headache, stomach ache, but cover medicines for
    serious problems only like : heart, lung, liver, diabetic, cholesterol etc . .

    • Canistercook

      Since when were birth control pills medicine? Too many people on too many pills. We pay for much ‘senior physical therapy’ at $50 an hour whereas many of those seniors could join the YMCA for $65 a month and get all the therapy they need. We have hundreds of ‘Commissioners’ on hundreds of Commissions. Our courts are still living in the middle ages with a Clerk, Bailiff and Judge all present to hear ‘small claims’ cases. It takes almost a year to try someone for stealing something. Our spending is out of control and neither side of the aisles is addressing the real problem. But the cries of ‘tax the rich’ are loud just as the cries of attack the jews and the bankers were in Germany in 1937. History does repeat itself.

  • Pamby50

    I am so tired of all of this. I know this is the art of bargaining. Enough already. Taxes are going up. Get over it wealthy people. You had a good run. It’s now time to pay the piper. Social security doesn’t add to the deficit so stop messing around with it. You want to change the age on benefits for Medicare. Switch jobs with a person who really works for a living. I don’t mean a day or 2, I’m talking about a month. Have to live on their salary, in their home. Try to figure out how to pay the bills, put food on the table & save some money. I don’t think any of you could do that. I think you all need a wake up call.

    • JAYROSE

      they will get a wake up call when they stand befor Jesus some day .
      tell old Bush to pay for his 2 wars and for killing our men and women .
      I know what you mean the goverment needs to pay back millons they took out of s .s ,
      i am a 80 year old and can verly make it .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OLT3BBICDAFJXQAHHKXXLJUCH4 Stella53

    Stand firm President Obama. The American public is with you. We the people are counting on you to stand firm.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      DAM RIGHT WE ARE .TAX THE RICH,. OBAMA WILL PUT THE WRATH ON THE RICH. FOR EVIL WAYS

  • nobsartist

    250,000 or nothing. 6% ss/medicare payroll tax on all earnings, investment or earned.

  • joeykay

    Do u really think there looking at the words your writing or paying any attention to u….I Think NOT……..sorry

  • CPANewYork

    Boehner’s Plan B is a farce. The rich will just stash their money overseas and sneak it back in when another tax holiday is declared and they wind up paying 8% or 5% instead of the potential 35%.

    Can you believe that after the eight percent giveaway, the bastards wanted to have another repatriation, at five percent? What a bunch of miserable scumbags.

    • Reddiaperbaby

      I like your style…more attitude! Call them what they are…

    • Canistercook

      Most ‘rich’ pay 35% fed tax and in California 10% state income tax – 45%. So why should someone make the effort to work for 50 cents on the dollar!
      5

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

        GET A SENOND JOB . GET OVER IT LOSER.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

          GET A SECOND JOB .AND QUITE BITCHING ABOUT IT.lOSERS MAKE EXCUSES AND WINNERS FIND WAYS.

        • Canistercook

          I already have one!

      • CPANewYork

        Canistercook:

        I think that you misunderstand the situation.

        The offshore money is earnings garnered outside of the United States by United States citizens. That money is subject to federal income tax. The maximum tax rate is 35 percent, so if a rich person or a corporation has earned $100,000,000, he, she or it owes $350,000.000 whjen that money is repatriated. i.e., brought into the United States.

        The tax forgiveness of a couple of years ago stipulated that instead of paying $350, 000, 000, the federal tax will be reduced to about $80,000,000 if the money is brought into the United States, provided it isn’t used to pay executive bonuses or to buy back corporate stock.

        Th intent was that the money should be used to create jobs here in the United States, but the holders of that money cheated. They brought the money in, but did use it to pay executive bonuses and to buy back corporate stock. Their argument was that they comingled the cash with their other cash and so couldn’t tell what was repatriated.

        That of course is baloney, but they weren’t prosecuted for tax evasion or even forced to pay the additional twenty-seven percent tax. In short, they got away with a thinly disguised tax evasion scheme. Do you think that was ethical behavior? Do you think that the Internal Revenue Service looked the other way?

        • Canistercook

          Obama is not talking about just increasing taxes on offshore income. He is talking about increased taxes on all workers earning over a certain amount and paying it to those increased government IRS union workers etc.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQMECN4U5HIJKHIUCIY3K4GBDU Allegro23

    1. Both parties should have priority for the best interests of the people and the financial well being of the country first and utmost. 2. Social Security-Medicare-Medicaid should not be apart of this solution, should not be even involved here. 3. Those countrymen earning in excess of $1M should pay and equal portion of taxes in proportion to the middle class, same percentage of taxes versus income as the middle class. There wealth is made partially possible from the middle class and the efforts of the middle class as well. 4. Those families having and income above $250,000 annually should also bear an increase of 3.6 % tax increase. 5. Mr Boehner and the Republican Party need to get off their high horse and get with the program here– do not continue to lobby for your big business donors here, your not reading the writing on the wall—-this is a governemnt by the people and for the people not for the interests of big businesss.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1511916455 David T. Kurtz

    look lets face it the right, as we as the tea party have no intent of passing anything that would raise tax on the rich by one cent.

    Republican motto,,,,”OF GREED,,,FOR GREED,,,ALL ABOUT GREED….

  • oldwave79

    hearing the way Mr Boehner feels about the situation only makes me feel badly towards the entire body of his party and their affiliates. wE HAVE BECOME A SOCIETY OF SELF-FULL-FILLED ARROGANT PEOPLE WITH POWER TO MAKE CHANGES THAT ONLY BENEFIT THEIR SELFIISH AND DESTRUCTIVE IDEALS.. NOT THEIR DUTIES TO BE THERE FOR ALL PEOPLES . DO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY REALIZE WHO THEY HAVE ELECTED TO RUN THIS COUNTRY? THEY DO NOT REPRESENT ME.. THATS FOR SURE. IF I HAD MY WAY THEY WOULD ALL BE FIRED , WITHOUT ANY RETIREMENT BENEFITS .

  • bigjim5656

    The mult million dollar big businesses already ruined America with NAFTA. Taking good paying jobs over seas, then making a million dollar bonus that the American workers should of had. Now Boehner wants to reward the upper class with tax cuts. How is America’s middle class going to prosper if they have to pay all the taxes on min wag jobs?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wanda-Leverette/1101695192 Wanda Leverette

    To the state of Ohio: Why did you put Boehner back in office? After watching him scre w over the middle-class and seniors these past four years, why did you vote for him to continue another four years???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F7PEOIWPE27D6VSCGLX2JRFLNI tuco_bad

    Not to worry – Obama will CAVE!

  • David Sutton

    Hmmmm………….. Everything here points out that the republicans are only worried about the rich and screw the lower income Americans!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      YOU RIGHT.

  • greghilbert

    I just want to remind Obama-compromise cheerleaders that repeal of the Bush tax cuts on incomes over $250,000 (to the level under Clinton), takes those taxes only ONE THIRD of the way back to what they were before Regan. In other words, high-income and wealthy Americans alike would retain TWO THIRDS of the huge cuts they got under Regan, and to get only that Dems are making concessions that include concessions unnecessarily detrimental to the 99%. In other words, you are cheering for a continuation of the great transfer of wealth from the 99% to the 1%. If there is no demand that it be stopped or reversed, it will continue. Eventually the vast majority of the 99% will be impoverished, and the 1% of the future will have no mercy on the children of the 99%. What then, compromise cheerleaders?

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.blankenship.779 Robert Blankenship

    F’you boehneer.

    “Over the ‘cliff’ we go. TA-DA, TA-DA.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q3HPSLUPRFUCA7OSHWH7L64LGI Mary Morrow

    I’m grandma and I want the government to leave my Social Security alone. I can barely afford to live as it is.
    Someone needs to show the comments below to the Republicans. maybe they will
    wake up and realize the American people are tired of their shananigans!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      MOVE TO A NURSING HOME. GO OVER IT. YOU SHOULD HAVE SAVE YOU MONEY FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS OF YOUR K=LIFE. INSTEAD OF BLOWING IT. iT IS NOT WHAT YOU MAKE IT IS WHAT YOU SAVE YOURS REPUBLICANS PARTY IS FINISH.WHEN OBAMA GERT THREW CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS. FOR FUTURE GENERATION TO COME.

  • emadis41

    Raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67 and implement a “chained CPI” on Social Security and Medicare is a non-starter for the seniors who are dependant on SS and Medicare. If you cut 5% of SS it means increasing the taxes on this segment of people and denying them the fruit of their work for 45 years, through which they paid along with their employer(s) 15.4% of their annual income. President Obama and Speaker Boehner should realize that any discussion of the SS and Medicare has ti be separate from the budget. SS and Medicare should be also separated from the Fed Budget and left alone, and if it is become necessary to tackle that should be discussed and delibrated later-on when the atmosphere is not as charged as it is now.
    Let me explain that any cut in SS or Medicare benefit means reducing the purchase power of the elderly, and in a chained CPI is added, it means that as you get old, your medical needs, and your spending on medicine will grow, which means that you have to sacrifice food or clothing or other necessaties. Out of the total of about $44,000 SS my spouse and I receive, we pay $14,000 on medical needs, this tends to increase in the future, not decline.
    Please Mr. President and Mr. Speaker do not sacrfice us for the rich 2% of the tax payers, we paid our does, let them pay their’s.

    • karinursula

      I agree, I was not asked if I wanted to pay SS and Medicare, I was told. I worked in this country for over 40 years. I live on SS and believe me I have to count every penny I spend.

      • Canistercook

        You worked 40 years and didn’t save anything for your retirement. Sounds like you didn’t work very hard. I worked hard, saved and invested. Now I get my
        SS ad Medicare reduced because I have a high income. Doesn’t sound very ‘fair’ to me!

  • viswarath

    Wake up America!. The foundation of our great experiment – fairness and equity for all Americans
    went on sale when we elected a brain dead American in President Reagan and unfortunately, we concluded this sale by electing another brain dead American in President GW. May be we are no different from all those great civilizations that rose to their zenith before us ONLY to be taken down by brain dead people from within.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patti-OGara/100000617593874 Patti O’Gara

    Boehner wants a way out…Will someone please open the door!

    • ExPAVIC

      Call Their Hand

      It’s the old, old, used up and dying GOP Party trying to cover their collective asses as we fly over the cliff. Screw the GOP and spend money on bumper stickers that claim what ass holes the GOP is made of.

    • Reddiaperbaby

      Not the door, silly…an upper-story window. Trust me, he won’t bounce.

  • arch725

    Go over the cliff!!!!! The American people know who is to blame. MR. PRESIDENT, you were handed the winning hand in November. Don’t blow it with the Democrat party.

  • dslocum

    Boehner is just not listening to the American public. As of last week, 76% of Americans, including 61% of Republicans wanted to see legislation which would require the rich and the corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. The same group wanted NO changes to SS, Medicare, or Medicaid. The middle class has been robbed blind for years so the rich and corporations could increase their wealth through loopholes and incentives. It’s time for it to stop!!!!!! Boehner just doesn’t get it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7SRZEQA2P5FC42VYIBQW3PSRUU BSB

    IT IS SO SAD THAT JOHN BOEHNER, R-OH IS HOLDING THE MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR AMERICAN PEOPLE HOSTAGE FOR MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES WHO CAN AFFORD A TAX INCREASE. HE WOULD RATHER LET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, LOSE THEM, HE WOULD RATHER LET THE POOR AND THE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS PAY A HIGHER TAX COME JANUARY 2013, AND HE WOULD RATHER ALLOW A FINANCIAL CLIFF AS OPPOSE TO RAISING TAXES FOR THE RICH WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS LOST IT EDGE WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEIR OWN PARTY DOES NOT EVEN TRUST THEM.

    • ExPAVIC

      Watch

      Give the rich a tax break and watch them go out and spend it on FOREIGN cars, FOREIGN vacations, and FOREIGN goodies.

      Gotta love that part of the old, old, used up and dying GOP Party.

      Hope they save a few bucks to buy flowers for the GOP Party funeral coming soon.

      • Sand_Cat

        The Republicans will live on so long as a re-elected Democratic president agrees in advance to begin the process of gutting Social Security and Medicare for them.

  • ExPAVIC

    WTF? Bargain With My SS COLA?

    Obama this is complete and utter BULLSHIT.

    I voted for you mainly because that nutcase Romney was bad for our country and its future. I felt good about voting for you because you SAID that you were going to protect my rightfully gained and PAID FOR Medicare and Social Security.

    So now you are using my SS COLA as a bargaining chip? This writer and his 65 million fellow elderly on SS will remember any screw jobs in 2014 and 2016 when it come time to vote, vote GOP (yuck), or STAY HOME.

    Obama, be aware that we voted for you and will back you, but you screw with our Medicare and SS COLAs, and watch the shit flow uphill.

    Tell that miserable Rep. Boehner to crap in his hat and remind him who won the last election. We all know how off the wall the old, old, used up and dying GOP can be.

  • Budjob

    Attention Mr.President,the democrats won the election.Nobody owes the republicans ONE FUCKING THING!!! Thank You.

  • lucke7me

    So….which is it ….over 1,ooo,ooo or under? I really do hate it when editors miss the most obvious mistakes ….like the very core of an article….really…did you read your own writing….sheeezes!

  • Budjob

    $250,ooo>NO MORE,or NO LESS!! I paid,you paid,WE ALL PAID,Now it’s time for the 1% that fucked everyone in this country to pay up.NO CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY,MEDICARE,OR MEDICAID.Don’t give the bastard republicans one fucking thing!!!

  • lucke7me

    So, what is it over or under 1,000,000? I do really hate it when the editors cannot even get the basics of the article correctly. What credibility? You know …content, grammer, spelling….the usual stuff….come on guys, get with it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobby.narloch Bobby Narloch

    Mr Obama
    Don’t give in to this son of a Bitch Boehner! stick to your gun’s
    that’s why we put you in office for.don’t let us down where counting
    on you.Don’t give in one inch to these Republican Bastards

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

      YOU ARE RIGHT . PUT THOSE DIRTY ASS REPUBLICAN . IN THERE PLACE ONCE AND FOR ALL. MAKE SURE TO TAX ALL AMERICANS INCOME OVER 250,000OR MORE.CONGRESS GAVE OBAMA HELL FOR 2 YEARS ABOUT THE RICH. …………..NOW OBAMA CAN PUT HIS WRATH . RIGHT BACK ON THOSE DIRTY,EVIL,DUSHBAG,TRASH,REPUBLICAN PARTY,

  • Sand_Cat

    Yeah, let’s kill Social Security and Medicare for the Republicans, so they get what they want without reducing the deficit and can dodge the blame as well. Great idea, Mr. President.
    Instead of quibbling, we need to have a conversation about what kind of people require cuts to retirees’ income and medical care to convince them to do the right thing, and why we should even talk to them.

    So sequestration cuts the incredibly overbloated “defense” budget to get Democratic support, and impoverishes retirees without reducing the deficit or the debt by a cent to get Republican support? Maybe they’d agree to more if the president proposed shooting every hundredth Social Security / Medicare recipient? And let’s be sure to cut education to maintain a large ignorant population who might yet still be convinced to vote for the Republicans.

    And who was it that won the election? I’m not sure I can tell anymore.

  • ExPAVIC

    Me Too

    Just sent the Dems an email about how I feel of Obama fornicating with my Social Security COLA. Obama screws with 65 million SS beneficiaries and he is messing with the people who may or may not vote as they want in 2014 and 2016.

    I voted for Obama because Romney was a pile of crap in a man’s suit and Obama promised not to fornicate with my Medicare or my Social Security. If he caves in to “Boner” Boehner on COLAs, Obama may soon learn a new law of physics, that shit can flow uphill.

    I have defended his tan ass for four years, see if I will continue after my COLA gets cut.

  • http://www.facebook.com/janis.hewes Janis Garvey Hewes

    Give them NOTHING>>Tell em to Go To Hell>>that is where they are going anyway..

  • ExPAVIC

    As Moses said, “Screw not with my COLA Lord.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Nooft/1260170947 Rick Nooft

    It’s not really a cliff, it’s more like a curb, and I say screw it, let’s go over it. That way we will get the cuts we need to the bloated military budget and more people who are still refusing to acknowledge the GOP is holding the working class hostage just to pander to a small percentage of rich people, might finally wake up and smell the coffee. When you make a pledge to Grover Norquist who is nothing but a lobbyist for the wealthy over a pledge to uphold the constitution, it’s time to go over the cliff. Bring on the 2014 elections so we can get more of the teahadists out of office and give Obama a Congress he can work with that will help to restore the middle class.

  • Charvi3

    This is directed to Michael Stoll…who first of all is very prejudiced..against the african american people…second of all..stupid…do you worship Jesus Christ…guess what, you dumb thing…Jesus Christ was a awesome Muslim back when and he taught Islam…and so, as times went along and we came out of pagenism….Roman Emporer Constantine had to create the religion of Catholicism..which…Jesus Christ was there…already…they decided Caholics would worship Him as God…and then the Father…The Son, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit were who they worshipped…a man-made religion as many religions are..the true orgin of Jesus Christ….was He was a Muslim…and remember…there are good and bad in all religions…and I know a lot of good people that don’t go around hurting others…as the Isalm religion teaches..but, now a days…they only consider Jesus Christ as a Prophet…not God…but, It is all about God’s Love anyway…so, what is your problem criticizing the Muslim Religion…get your facts straight before you going judging anyone and the way they worship God…so, I wish you would just stay home on Sunday’s because we have enough of hyprocrites in there as it…making money off of the word of God…which by the way..the word is Jesus Christ…anyway…I am so. sick of listening to the same game plan that the republicans have been wanting done…they love to hurt the middle-class and the poor…and God isn’t happy with those rich folks..why don’t we just cut the pay of John Boehner and the rest of the republicans..so, they come back down to earth…first of all they don’t pay into Social Security like the hard-working folks..and they have the government that pays for their health insurance..and the tax payers monies pay for their homes…the governors as well as their homes..so, if the taxpayers are footing the bill for John’s spending monies and everything else..he should really realize…he should return some favors along with the other republicans to help the middle-class and the poor…to do what Jesus Christ tells them to do in the Bible…that when He gives them wealth by the work of their hands…they are to give to the poor till there is no poor to give to..and then you save..but, most Catholics..do not open the Bible to really know what it says…they just say their Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers…and John Boehner is one of them…once a year…at Christmas they feed the hungry…and show how good hearted they are..since we are supposed to be taking care of each other and babying one another even strangers…showing the love of Jesus Christ and not hoarding all you material possessions..so, when are you going to stop criticizing the Muslims..and other religions..if they show the Love of God to all…so, again..stay home on Sunday’s…it says in psalm 26..I will not sit with vain persons or dissemblers..who by the way are pretenders..they just want everyone to see them at church so, everyone thinks they are Christ-like..so wrong..again…the American people voted for the man that favors the hard-working people which are the middle-class..and the poor…and believe me even in the next election…I will use my recipe of psalms that worked to get the elections over early and make sure a republican will never get into office again…just sit back and see how they work…there is power in the word of God..so, keep your mouth shut to the different religions..people have the right to worship as they wish to..remember..Jesus Christ, was a Muslim..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DPY5ADXTDUGABOL7TPUJQEP5YE JOAQUIM

    On the first day of Christmas My true love brought to me One Obama ashining To put under the tree.

    On the second day of Christmas My true love brought to me One Obama ashining and Two Republicans awhining To put under the tree.

    On the third day of Christmas My true love brought to me One Obama ashining Two Republicans awhinning and Three Democrats ablowing To put under the tree.

    On the fourth day of Christmas My true love brought to me One Obama ashinning Two Republicans awhinning Three Democrats ablowing and Four Scalias anapping To put under the tree.

    On the fifth day of christmas My true love brought to me One Obama ashining Two Republicans awhining Three Democrata ablowing Four Scalias anapping and Five Boehners a milking To put under the tree.

    You see where this is going………. Merry Christmas!!!!!!

  • severio

    WE BETTER LET GO DOWN TO THE CLIFF,THEN MAKE ANY DEALS WITH REPUBLICANS ,,LET DO IT ,NO DEALS, LET BUSH TAXES EXPIRE. THE RRPUBLICANS WANT DEALS WHO WILL HELP THE RICH ,

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GJHUMV4VTNR3R4YQUHTAE66LKE haddon linda

    “bonner”, really needs a psych. evaluation. it is so apparent that he thinks he is President. his continued behavior demonstrates how delusional [dangerously so] his mind is, and has been. i know there are [i hope] some great people in Ohio, but you sent this warped-minded person to office! WHY!!!??

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GEXG437QLGZEI7OJLYD6KY3LD4 Jesse

    Republicans are signing their death warrants , so to speak! Thy will be gone in the next elections…………..say goodbye John Boehner > go have another drink but come back sober this time! Freaking idiot

  • http://mohammeddressup.com/ I Zheet M’Drawz

    Nobody is going to cut Social Security a single penny. It has been paid for by extracting cash out of OUR pockets at the point of a gov’t gun.

    You made a deal, you have to keep it.

    It’s not my fault you squandered all our money making defense contrators, banks & insurance companies rich beyond our wildest dreams.

    Now it’s time to pay up. Or we’re all going over the fiscal cliff together, the 47%’ers are already standing at the edge. One more push and they’ll go over and take it all with them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Denis-Winkle/100003193604251 Denis Winkle

    To House Speaker John Boehner

    Let’s see???? George Bush could had stopped 911 and didn’t! As my I.R.A. was cut in half! To twenty five thousand dollars! My I.R.A. climbed back to thirty seven thousand dollars. Then the obstructions of the GOP and Bush/Norquist pledge down graded the countries’ credit rating. And my I.R.A. dropped back again to twenty five thousand dollars. And through the deregulations: of the stock market and the Banks in the chaos of globalization. My I.R.A. has yet to go beyond thirty thousand dollars.
    Again let’s see???? There’s the out sourcing of our jobs for cheap labor! As our manufacturing base, was sold-out from underneath “all of us” to this present day. While Companies enjoy loop holes or paid no taxes at all. As do the one percent!
    But my Social Security check is a great “sin”. As I contribute $300.00 a month: forced into early retirement. That is $3,600 dollars a year. As I contribute another 1,200 dollars a year for Medicare. And recently go a $20.00 a month c/o living increase. And you have a problem with the Senior Citizen???
    Personally I believe you have a problem with being a” bought and paid for” politician. Pandering the special interest of a very evil thing! Laid against the wellbeing of “We the People”! That is. The common good and honest law biding citizen! In a true republic! This would have never taken place. Ask John Adams.

  • 1bythebrooks2

    A vast majority of Americans voted for the President on the premis that taxs would not be raised for those making under $250,000. Stick as closely to that plan as you can Mr. President. Don’t give in to those greedy B#@^%&*%#!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LIOWPV3RG2BI6EUJVVKTE6KSQU Charles

    THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS FINISH AND THERE TEA PARTY TO.OBAMA ALREADY REPUBLIAN CONGRESS ON PLAN B TO TAX PEOPLE WHO MAKW A MILLION OR BETTER A YEAR. OBAMA WILL DO MORE . WATCH HIM MAKE CONGRESS GO DOWN ALL THE WAY PEOPLE MAKING 250,000 OR MORE TO PAY TAXES. FOR 2 YEARS THAT EVIL,DUSHBAG,TRASH REPUBLICIAN CONGRESS . TOLD NO TO OBAMA THAT THEY WOULD NOT TAX THAT 2 % ……IT WILL HAPPENED NOW. ARE GO OFF THE CLIFF…BEST THING OF ALL ,.WHEN OBAMA GET THREW WITH THE REPUBLICIAN PARTY NEXT 4 YERAS,tHE REPUBLICIAN PARTY WILLL BE SO WEAK. WHEN IT IS TIME FOR ELECATION TIME IN 4 YEARS. THE PEBULICAIN PARTY WILL NEVER GET ELECETED AGAIN. WITH THE WRATH OF OBAMA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kpodemski Kathleen Podemski

    We the people need to fire John Boehner, Nancy Peolsi and half of congress/ senator… they do not work in the interest for the people of the United States of America… We can cut the budget by these following ideas…….cut the benefits of congress, house etc……….No more free health insurance for them, no more pensions, no more cars, or gasoline privilleges, no more office space, ( Do you know how much we could save if these steps were taken) No more Perks… they need to work from their computer at home and save the taxpayers monies and all the people in Congress should be independently audited each year and held accountable to the taxpayers of the United States. They would be given a set salary and we would then be able to balance the budget… no just keep taking from the people who have worked all their lives………………that seems to be their motto. Its all about them….. not the people

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZBIWKGJLZRDSUYO3Y5WGY4CJPE common sense1

    Going over the cliff for now would be better than going for Boehner’s plan B. This is what Clinton did and the Republicans only lasted 17 days.

  • Germansmith

    Every economist insist we have to rein in entitlements. Medicare, Medicaid and all types of welfare take most of our Federal and State budgets, leaving little for education, scientific investments or infrastructure. Our country is going down the drain if we insist in continuing to spend money in healthcare without fixing the system.

    If Democrats are not willing to negotiate in good faith just because they feel high and mighty because Obama won, then let us go down the fiscal cliff.
    If this happens, we all will have to pay higher taxes, extended unemployment payments are done and there will be cuts to Medicaid and Defense…this is all good.

    In the long run, the rich will pay the taxes and not even feel it, but how about the middle class and the working poor that live paycheck to paycheck?, the economy will slow down, unemployment numbers will go up again since demand for good and services will slow down. …how is that going to work for those Democrats that want to protect the entitlements that drain our treasure?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/U43YI4C62UQAAWFYZZQJGZGORE Anna

    Romney paid less than 14% and he lives in California. If the rich don’t want to work for 50 cents on the dollar, then quit and let someone that is willing to work making a million dollars a year. Move aside, I’ll take that job!!!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CGNPY2ND72JDUDOVL7YWY4MRG4 jjrjon

    John Boehner your plan “A” failed, plan “B” failed, what do you have for plan C? More of the same, but this time it’s plan “A” and “B” combined. You and your GOP Mob are truly a prime example of disgust and what’s wrong with America. Now that the Christmas break is upon us I take it that you do nothing politicians will go home for the Christmas break without accomplishing any of the tasks you were elected to perform. I’m so sorry you idiots get paid for doing nothing. You’re really good at doing nothing.

  • commserver

    PlanB??? It sounds like some sort of birth control medication.

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