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Sunday, September 25, 2016

WASHINGTON — Victories often contain the seeds of future defeats. So it is — or at least should be — with the Senate’s morally reprehensible rejection of expanded background checks for gun buyers.

The outcome is a test of both an invigorated gun safety movement and a gun lobby that decided to go for broke.

The National Rifle Association assumed that blocking new gun legislation in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre would firmly establish its dominance. Advocates of sane gun regulations would scatter in despair and be torn apart by recriminations.

But there is a flaw in the gun lobbyists’ calculation: Their strategy leaves the initiative entirely in the hands of their opponents. The early evidence is that rage over the cowardly capitulation of so many senators to raw political power is pushing activists against gun violence to redouble their efforts.

What was striking about Wednesday’s vote is that many of the senators who had expressed support for universal background checks after the slaughter at Newtown meekly abandoned their position when the roll was called.

Proponents of the measure, including Mark Kelly, the husband of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, spoke of private meetings in which senators offered no substantive objections to the compromise negotiated by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA).  The wobbling legislators simply hinted that politics would not permit them to vote “yes.”

Giffords, the victim of the 2011 mass shooting in Arizona, founded Americans for Responsible Solutions to battle on behalf of gun reforms. She responded to the Senate vote with an op-ed in The New York Times that declared plainly: “I’m furious.” Senators, she said, “looked over their shoulder at the powerful, shadowy gun lobby — and brought shame on themselves and our government itself by choosing to do nothing.”

Giffords’ frustration echoed sentiment all across her side of the debate. In the past, Democrats who support gun safety had reacted benignly to members of their party from rural states who opposed sensible gun measures for expediency’s sake. Not this time. The response to Democrats who opposed background checks — Sens. Max Baucus, Mark Begich, Heidi Heitkamp and Mark Pryor — was indignation.

Begich invited scorn by insulting those who insisted that the Newtown massacre ought to be the last straw.

“It’s dangerous to do any type of policy in an emotional moment,” he said. “Because human emotions then drive the decision. Everyone’s all worked up. That’s not enough.” Describing the reaction to the death of so many children as “emotional” rather than rational should be electorally disqualifying.

  • charleo1

    As E.J. points out, in a pinch the GOP always turns to it’s most radical
    elements. But, if we’re honest with ourselves, Republicans could not
    have stopped this bill, without the Democratic defectors to help them
    do it. The fact of the matter is, gun control, well, that’s a misnomer,
    a more accurate description would be gun mayhem, or guns gone
    wild. Because, there is very little control in this country, when it comes
    to guns. But here’s the thing that is most infuriating. No one expected
    the Republicans to support new gun law. The families who’s children
    were slaughtered in Newtown And everyone else, who had been so
    profoundly touched by this tragedy, and those that proceeded it,
    knew, if they were to see anything done, the Democratic Party, led by a
    Democratic President, was where it was going to happen. And, the
    Democratic Party let them down. They can say whatever they please about
    how tough it is for a Democrat in a red state. Which is a load of crap. You
    don’t get 90% of the people demanding that something be done, without
    a majority in the red states demanding it as well. And there is no putting a
    happy face on it. Oh, it’s not over. We’ll be back. Yes, when the next senseless episode wrenches the guts out the public with it’s brutality. And, can we guess?
    Which Party they are going to blame?

    • mike

      Hagan is far from safe. Between voting for Obamacare and this vote and voting 95% with the dems. she has got a tough road ahead. She got in on the coattails of Obama and now she is on her own. I don’t think she can make it alone. I will give it to her for her vote, but she lacks in so many other ways.

      Dionne comments on the filibuster from the right, he has very selective memory. Dems have never used it??? Give me a break. His remarks about the willful minority and democracy shows how little he understands the history of the country. It was the minority that started this great country. He would have made a great Tory.

      What Dionne doesn’t understand that people do not trust the Fed. govt.. Give the govt. an inch and it will take a mile. This admin. would love to control all aspects of our lives.
      Polls can be made to get certain results by the way they are asked. The questions can be designed for emotional responses. It was a tragedy and my heart aches for these families but this bill would not have changed the outcome. The mother in Conn. was terribly wrong. What was she thinking letting a son that was having so many issues access to guns??

      What was missing was the strengthening of the existing background check system on would be buyers with more data on mental illness, wanting just to expand the checks on sales not covered now. What was missing was school safety, criminalizing gun trafficking and improving mental health programs.

      These modest steps, however, were sacrificed when other Dems. did not want to see further reaching provisions fail at the expense of a package that guns right lobby wanted.

      • Except that the repubs have used the filibuster at about ten times the rate the Democrats did. And they are only doing it to trash our governments ability to conduct the publics business. Beyond that I think most of what you have written is nonsensical fantasy. Your point is obviously a negative one, but I sure cannot figure out where you got this BS. All the things you present are parts of the liberal platform, but you end with a conclusion that ignores the fact that Repubs [mostly] and the gun lobby are dead against any of this package. They have been working like maggots to destroy ANY regulation for years. The only part of the program these felons are for is school safety. And that is by flooding our schools with guns. Nonsense!

      • charleo1

        Mike, let me ask you something. How long are you going to continue
        to try to make excuses, and carry water for these idiots, and numbskulls?
        Because the odds of them ever caring anything about you, or your
        concerns, is roughly, 1 in 100. Now, i was tough on my Party.
        I guess you see where the GOP is already in trouble. And you don’t want
        to pile on right now? Is that it? So, let me get this straight. Minority rule is actually how a true democracy is supposed to work. The majority tries to enact the policies they campaigned on. But, what the people really want, is the minority Party to slap those policies down as many times as it takes.
        So as to make sure the majority Party, the one that received more votes, gets none of it’s platform enacted. You know, Mike. I’ve lived in this
        country a long time. And I’ve never had anyone to explain it to me like that.
        I mean, why do we bother to vote in the first place? To figure out who the minority is, and then, they run the Country, by making absolutely sure, nothing gets done. And you’re sticking with your story about the founders being minority. You mean like Mitch McConnell, and John Boehner? Because, waging a revolutionary war, as a minority, would require that
        they actually vote for something. McConnell, and Boehner don’t do anything. They prevent things from getting done. There’s a big difference.
        I think you ought to find out what the bill in question is about. It wasn’t
        about, better checks, on those already being checked. But, checking
        the other 40% that, now are never checked at all. The reason 90%
        agreed with the bill, is because the current situation is so stupid, as to
        be ridiculous. It’s common sense. If you are have a problem with flies
        being in the house, and the front door has a screen, and the back door
        is wide open. Who would think putting another screen on the front
        door, while leaving the back door standing wide open, is the way to
        cut down on the number of flies in the house?

        • mike

          I see you are at it again. The minority has the right to be heard. When is the majority always right. What I said is that the there is a lot more to this gun control than just your talking points. Bring a bill that covers mental health, video games, Hollywood violence and you might get a good bill. Get the real issues on the table. The founders were the minority know your history.
          Change the Senate rules to a simple majority. See how far that gets with your party. They will run from it so fast your head will spin for weeks.
          As I have said before, I don’t trust the govt. when it comes to my rights and you do. I don’t want to take the chance to find out.

          • Independent1

            You do realize right, that the GOP has used the filibuster more times in the passed 3 years than it was eveer used since the term filibuster was coined by a democrat representative back in 1859?? The GoP has used it more than 500 times in 3 years!!! If you think that’s right, you are totally clueless with your head in the wrong place.

          • mike

            Thank God!!!! Daily Kos had it 112 in 2 years. If it is such a terrible, terrible thing, why didn’t Reid use his vast majority 59-41 to change the rule. They won’t go near it. Great Article on “think progress” an outlet of the Center for American Progress showing how 50 Senators and VP could have changed it all. Last sentence of his article says it all: Republicans, to their credit, tend to prioritize their vision of the national interests over issues of process and ego. Democrats, by contrast seem to have mostly gotten into politics in order to bolster their own sense of self-righteousness and aren’t especially concerned whether or not their conduct in office is efficacious. Can’t say it any better. Finally, truth from the left. Go read it and learn.

          • Independent1

            Certainly you jest!! I’m still rolling in the aisle!! ‘Repubilcans prioritize their visition of the national interest over issues of process and ego.”” What a farce!! I guess that’s why when the Republicans have been in office over the past 50 years the’ve governed with severe deficit spending every time!! Running up 14 trillion in deficits!! And it’s taken a Democrat every time to bring spending back in line.!!!

            And they’re so concerned about issues of national interest that they don’t mind stuffing billions of dollars into their and their rich buddies pockets by starting wars and giving out no bid contracts to companies that can rip off the taxpayers!! Yup!! So interested are the Reublicans in America that they just love to give tax breaks to the rich and their Corporate buddies to help them rip off taxpayers for billions on top of billions.

            Republicans are so concerned about the national interest they don’t even mind telling one lie and distortionafter another: just like Cheney and Bush did to start an unnecessary war that ended up killing thousands of American soldiers in their quest to enrich themselves.
            Brother!! When you tell a whopper you really tell one. The GOP is the most devious, corrupt organization in America – bar none!!!

        • DEFENDER88

          Majority rule brought us over 100 yrs of Slavery. Even just a 13% minority, (even less), may have rights that should not be stomped on or done away with. You are just as bad as the Right Wing,would-be Dictators. Thank God for a system where pios, arrogant, self righteous people can be stopped, if necessary, to protect the rights of the minorities. How about the right for gays to have equal marrige rights, the right of a woman to have a say over her body, …………?
          ps I (like you and most) am all-for enhanced background checks, but they added in gun bans and confiscations and that stomps on my *Fundamental* right to self defense. Get it right and it will pass. Keep trying to Bull-Doze(Cram down our throat) your agenda and it will continue to be contentious.

          • charleo1

            I hardly think there is danger of the GOP being deprived of
            it’s minority Rights. In fact, I don’t ever recall the amount of
            squealing, and squawking, and faux indignation, out of a Party
            that for 10 years, done anything they God Damn pleased.
            Then, not bothering to take inventory of the direct results of
            their policies. Act incredulous, and clueless, that the public
            had the nerve to hand THEIR, majority over to the opposition.
            You my confused friend, need to get the facts straight on the
            gun bill. There was no confiscation involved. But that is
            exactly the kind of lying bullshit, myself, and a good portion
            of the public is sick of hearing out of T-Bag lead, GOP.
            If they were smart, and wanted to win national elections,
            and have a majority again, they would jettison the entire
            ignorant lot of them. Instead of having to argue stupid crap,
            like majority rule brought us 100 years of slavery. Ridiculous.
            If you’re so enamored with minority Rights, go to China, or any
            other Communist, or dictator run Country, and see if you still
            feel like sticking up for the minority.

          • DEFENDER88

            True, they were an arrogant bunch of asses, but,unfortunately, not that much worse than what I am finding in here – 98% of School Killing has beeen done by young white men on drugs with hand guns & shotguns and you call for a ban on assault rifles when nationwide they account for less than 1% of gun crime. With not near as much effort and outrage to address the root problems because they dont fit your paranoid *feel good* agenda of a gun ban.
            Makes me think you people dont really care about solving the root problems, it is really about just do *Something* so WE will feel better about having done something- whether it actually reduces the killing or not.
            AND the Feinstein Amendment which was to be included had a confiscation component in it – good luck with that. AND – the Admin has stated(as reported by Salon) their desire for future confiscation – after registration. If that had come from a Right Wing source I would have rejected it as a lie(like you say) but Salon is anything but Right Wing.

            YOU do your research and get YOUR facts straight – stop trying to slide all this s*it by and hide it like they dont want it are not working on it.
            You are probably not lying(so I wont accuse you), you are just ignorant of what is actually going on hehind the scenes.
            There are a lot of things that can and should be done – some are included, but some that should not(or planned) be.
            Fixing the problem of young white men on drugs killing children in schools will go much further toward stopping the killing than any gun ban(which,by the way will not work).
            Goes to securing the schools and fixing the young men on drugs problem who are doing ALL the killing.

          • charleo1

            Actually, the bill did not seek a ban assault rifles. The chances of
            registrations being used to confiscate guns from the law
            abiding public, given they would have passed this bill, is non existent.
            What is true, is the terrifically goof ball, resistance to closing the
            gun show loophole. And, when gun owners, and members of the NRA, and the public at large, were made aware 4 of every 10 guns sold in this country, are sold without a background check, or registration. And, yes that’s a guess. Why? They’re not registered.
            Why? Because they bought from an individual who is not a
            licensed dealer. So, if you just got out of the penitentiary,
            and needed a clean gun. One not registered to anyone, who
            would you buy from? If we handled cars in that manner,
            people would be outraged. Got 5 DUIs? State take your
            license? No problem. Just buy the car from a private individual,
            and drive away! No registration, no insurance, and no way to
            tie you to the car, if you can get yourself away from the accident.
            Look, I’ll check out Salon. But, you know this bill was not
            anywhere close to the Brady Bill. It didn’t limit the kinds of ammo.
            Nor the clip size. People write, it didn’t do anything about movies,
            or video games, or improve mental health. That’s right. Why?
            Because, they were not even capable of taking on the gun lobby.
            Much less, Hollywood, the lucrative video game industry,
            and, the First Amendment.

          • charleo1

            I checked. No assault rifle ban. No ban on clips. No ammo bans.
            Just a universal background check. With a caveat. “Friends,” may
            still sell their guns to each other, without a background check.
            That’s it. The entire fight was to make sure criminals have an
            expedient way to arm themselves And, so the gun manufactures will
            not lose the growing business of selling guns to the Mexican Drug
            Cartels. It is inspiring in a way, that the NRA is so dedicated to the
            freedom of being able to buy a gun, they couldn’t bear to see even
            criminals, and dope dealers stripped of their ability to acquire a gun.

          • DEFENDER88

            Fact is I dont think the Bkgd Chk proposal went near far enough.
            *I* would include a psyc test requirement to buy a gun.
            Plus or in addition to having to get a permit before you can buy a gun.
            Plus all the other things we have *here* to get a permit – FBI Finger Print Bkgd Ck, Safety Training, Shooting Qualifying, etc all by state certified LE.
            I have all that plus -I have taken it to another level – Highly Trained, DEFENSIVE Competitive Shooter, Gun Liability Insured etc.
            So I belive in BackGd Checks even much more stringent than any proposed.
            But Salon reported that the Admin (in their discussions) wanted and discussed some confiscations but decided it could not be done without full *Registration* so they tabled it as a future but still desired item. This was/is worrysome to me.
            Also I understand the Feinstein Bill could have been attached later which does include assault weapons bans AND a confiscation component. Again worrysome.
            She reminds me of the Right to Life nuts, God has told her she is right and no-one else can have a different opinion worth considering.
            As even a *responsable* gun owner I have demonized (in here) as a baby killer.
            This is not helpful to fixing the problems and idea exchange.
            And banning my access to defensive weapons and for-sure *confiscation* is not the answer and I could argue could make things even worse.
            However – Securing(Some how) ALL the schools against an active shooter and solving the young men on drugs problem would have an immediate and major impact on the problem.
            This would help (Right Now) even more than good background check system – which I think we will eventually get.
            Note I have not even mentioned the NRA – in fact dont follow their actual proposals.
            I do my own research.
            98% of School Killing has been done with Handguns and SHotguns.
            100% of school killing has been done by young men on Anti-Depressants
            Lanza info has not been released yet but I bet you $100 he will have been on something.
            You can just look at his pic and see that.
            On school killings
            You can go to Wikipedia and get some info on school killings.
            I got this from various other sources(Major killings only):
            99 – Columbine – Zoloft, Luvox – Pistol/Shotgun
            05 – Red Lake – Prozac – Pistol/Shotgun
            07 – VT – Prozac – Prozac – Pistol
            09 – N. ILL – Prozac – PIstol
            Etc.
            ps the minor shootings ie only 1-2 killed etc show the exact same drug pattern.
            In fact, if you think about it, almost ALL the mass killings have been done by young white men on some drug. I call that a STRONG indicator/pattern and a problem that needs to be looked at. Plus securing the schools. Even more than backgd cks. The next Lanza is out there among us, as we speak, planning his killing.
            SO – I think all this arguing about checks, bans, etc is detracting from what we should really be concentrating on and actually DOING – NOW.

          • charleo1

            Well, there are zealots on every issue. But the day will never
            come, when any government, or court, for that matter, demands
            everyone to turn in their guns. The public wouldn’t stand for it.
            So, I can’t vouch for what might be in some politician’s head.
            But, they know, even people that don’t own a gun, believe in
            a person’s Right to have one, should they decide to do so.
            But, there is support to do some effective things to make a gun
            harder for criminals to get hold of. And, there will come a day, after
            one of these episodes, where some nut, again kills a lot of people,
            and, there will be some gun laws passed. Because people will
            simply not put up with many more of these incidents.

    • lana ward

      Dems are Godless. Godlessness causes evil. The party to blame is the Dems

      • charleo1

        Sure! Everybody knows Jesus was a Republican! All them stories
        about feeding the poor, restoring the blind man’s sight, and healing
        the lepers. Leftist Lies! Republican, Jesus upon seeing just a few
        loaves of bread, and a few fishes. Then, looking out on a multitude,
        of some of the skinniest, hungriest people he’d ever seen. And one
        of His Disciples ask Him, Lord, with all these hungry people, are you
        going to preform one of your miracles, and provide a feast? Then,
        explain, that God wants them to be as generous with their fellow man,
        as He has been to them today? And, GOP Jesus said, What? And,
        create a welfare State? Hell no! If I feed them for nothing today, they’ll
        just lay around in their tents, feeling all entitled. And I’ll have to do
        this trick everywhere I go. But they are starving, some of them.
        and, walked for many days to see you preform your miracles.
        What will you tell them? Republican Jesus, said I’m going to tell
        them, if they are hungry, they need to get job. But, the food Master,
        what will you tell them about the food today? He said, I’m going to tell
        them, I would have had some food for them. But, those lazy Israelites
        over in Judea, ate it all up, right before I got here.

        • lana ward

          Dems aren’t helping the poor. They are turning everyone into a pile of mush, slaves. They don’t want us to leave the plantation, they want everyone on Govenment Assistance

          • Independent1

            Nice try Lana – the GOP are the great creators of welfare sucking people. They cut budgets and state services throwing millions onto unemployment and food stamps. It’s fact Lana!! The 8 states that really support America are all Blue states. Eight of the 10 states with the most people living below the poverty level are Red States. So take your lies and go peddle them somewhere else – we’re not listening to you!!!!

          • lana ward

            Nice try “Independent” Obama has put so many regulations on businesses, they’ve cut back workers or gone out of business, banks have closed. Incomes are declining, taxes are going up, 200 and some coal plants have been forced to close because of Obamas’ outrageous regulations putting thousands out of work, devastating communities. Half of the country is on food stamps. We have 6.4 million fewer jobs than we had in 2007. And now Ocare is kicking in. Almost all businesses are cutting back workers hours because they can’t afford to pay for Ocare. 2 days ago I heard the biggest movie theater chain, Regal, has cut back all of their employees hours, some as much as 25% because of Ocare. So you just keep blowing your bubble, it’s gonna pop!!

          • lana ward

            Obama talks a big game about class warfare and soaking the rich, but with all of his regulations on businesses he’s hurting the poor and the working class!!!!! And he promised he wouldn’t raise our taxes one dime!! He’s just about killed the middle class

          • neeceoooo

            Even though the facts are so clear with regard to the red states collecting more government money than the blue states, some people still have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees.

        • mike

          Still smoking aren’t you. Blind and stupid or dumb and dumber, take your pick.

          • Independent1

            Seems to me like you’re looking in the mirror when you say those words.

          • mike

            LOL

          • charleo1

            I must have said something that hit a nerve. You can always
            tell with the low thinkers. As soon as they know they’re beat, and
            outclassed, they start with the name calling.

          • mike

            No, Lana got you on her points and it is an observation by me of your MSNBC CRAP ABOUT THE STATES. That has all been shown to be false. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid by little comrade. Just remember, no growth, fewer people working, 4200 new regulations in pipeline under Obama, 88k pages EPA regulations on the books. Big Govt. no money, Great Debt, US spiraling into financial collapse. Dems afraid to get near SS, Medicare, telling Obama they are off the table. You sir are in the land of fairies.

          • neeceoooo

            OMG, where do you get this shit!!!!!!

          • BDC_57

            Off fox fake news

          • mike

            Don’t think so my mental midget.

          • mike

            4200 regs. in pipeline is on several sites, so lets use Huffington Post “Obama’s regulation moment”. Growth is nonexistence just about zero(BLS), 88k can be found on EPA website. Fewer people working(BLS). Many fine charts showing employment below 2007 levels. Actually employment level at 1999, 2003. Only a liberal would think that with 11.7 million unemployed, 6-8 million underemployed that employment would be above 2007 numbers(more like 5-6 million less). Don’t think so. So there is no Debt(17T), no deficit, and the leaders in the Democratic party didn’t tell Obama that entitlements were off the table last dec. and again in the last month. ReaLLY!!! Sure didn’t find this info on fox.

        • BDC_57

          It does not do anything to reply to Lana its like talking a brick wall.

      • Independent1

        Sorry Lana, despite Charle’s paradoy, Jesus was absoluely no Conservative. Anyone that claims he or she is a Conservative Christian is living an oxymoron life. Just the definition of a conservative – someone who is cautious about things, more concerned about how something will help them more than worried about how it will help someone else is just the total opposite of what Jesus taught how people should act. Anyone who thinks they can be a Christian and a Conservative are living a lie!!!!!!!!!

        • lana ward

          Dems murder babies. Jessus said anyone who hurts a child, it is better that he had never been born. Jesus was and is a conservative. He came to give life, not take it away

        • charleo1

          Thanks. I’ve never been able to see how these, supposed,
          Christian Conservatives, can be members of a Political Party,
          that cares so little for the plight of the most vulnerable. Take,

          Rick Perry. He wears his religion on his sleeve, more as
          advertisement, than anything else. Then proceeds, in Perry’s
          case, to leave a 144,000 of that State’s poorest women, many
          with children, without any access at all, to preventative test,
          and, examination, by closing Planned Parenthood clinics, where
          they receive the bulk of their medical care, free. To private clinics, where the closest one can be a 50 mile round trip, and it costs them $40.00, to see a doctor. With these women, many times, not
          having the money to spare, or a way to get to the clinics if they
          did. Claiming, without a shred of evidence, women are receiving
          abortions, with State money. When ask about it, and told if
          he closes all the Planned Parenthood clinics, he will cut off
          many thousands, because this facility is the only source of
          professional healthcare. And when told, PP, did not preform
          abortions, and it was already aganist the law to fund abortions,
          So, the reporter ask him again, why he was closing PP in his
          State. He said, and I quote, “We just want to make doubly sure.”
          That’s right! This, born again, Bible quoting, jack ass, “Just
          wants to be sure.” And where is the moral majority, as they call themselves? Not one of these holier than thou, moralizing hypocrites, has put their Bibles down long enough to check the validity of
          Gov. Perry’s statement. Not one.

          • neeceoooo

            So true, I wonder how the so called Christian faith base can be so mean spirited and ugly to their fellow human beings.

          • charleo1

            Because in reality, they are the same kind of selfish, what’s
            in it for me, Asses. As the politicians they turn out to vote for.

      • But they gave US free abortions! Free 100% guaranteed birth control for all.
        And just wait until you see the new 800 thousand square foot abortion-plex being built with YOUR money. Three incinerators going 24 x 7 to get rid of those pesky fetuses.

        • lana ward

          You should thank God your mom didn’t murder you, I won’t

  • Obama: “A few months ago, in response to too many tragedies — including the shootings of a United States Congresswoman, Gabby Giffords, who’s here today, and the murder of 20 innocent schoolchildren and their teachers — this country took up the cause of protecting more of our people from gun violence.”

    morbas(i): “In my humble opinion (IMHO), Single round capacity is the technology baseline of the 2cd Amendment, as the only the well regulated militia (as a group) could rapidly expend multiple rounds. Police reports indicate assault (rifle) weapons have an elevated deadly force statistic. IMHO and in the interest of safe gunnery practice and in line with the technology base line of the 2cd Amendment, multiple round capacity should beprohibited outside of a well regulated militia (National Guard) and US Military and well regulated law enforcement use. We should strive to fingerprint the weapon firing capacity with the registered owner. To this extent we can prevent/minimize unregistered (background checked) deadly force. IMHO folks, the 2cd Amendment needs revision.”

    The NC RED STATE machine is pushing for a photo ID voting poll tax, passing a Republican Dominated committee last week. The RED machine filibustered weapons background check last week (pro-terrorism position). The RED machine opposed and opposes constituent opinion (instead protecting access to weapons of mass homicide). IMHO folks, the T’Rxpublican does not deserve a single coinstituent vote in 2014.

    • DEFENDER88

      My Technology Base is – The Continentals and even the Militias were *sent home* with the most advanced Assault Rifle of the day, AND the 2nd Amendment – to be sure they could keep them.

  • howa4x

    You can’t govern from a fear perspective. This is not the house where districts are made up of winnable populations, and the fear is always from the right. This is the senate where they represent a cross section of people of all different views. It is here where senators are vulnerable from not only the right but also the middle. Now they have to go back and explain to the middle that they need to win with, why they would not vote for what polls show they want. This is what is called between a rock and a hard place. Now they have given a mass appeal issue to the opposition who will pound away at them for being whores of the NRA. Hard core republicans only represent 28% of the electorate nationally, and they need independents to win. In certain states that number is higher especially down south. What these senators don’t realize is that the ultra right may win the primary but not the general election as we have seen in states like Missouri. this is why the national GOP needs to weigh in or the Akin scenario will be repeated time and again on issues that the polls show are popular. If sanity doesn’t emerge in this party it will fast become a regional entity rather than a national party

    • Unfortunately, the repubs have continued to win in recent years by continuing to play on our fears and on the bigotry of some of our population. They know they can corrupt a given part of the electorate every year, so they are always in the running. They are appealing because they always have someone to blame and they always have a simple solution for everything. [Life’s not that simple.] This is very appealing to the vicious, evil, bigoted, selfish, paranoid, sociopath, lazy, and weak minded. So repubs always have a chance even when everyone knows they are lying. Sort of a sick parody of P. T. Barnum’s: “There’s one born every minute.”

      • Independent1

        Russell, the only way the Republicans have won anything the past 2 election cycles has been by gerrymandering voting districts. They actually lost the House of Representatives by over One Million votes. It was only through their nefarious reworking of voting districts that they held onto control of the House.

      • howa4x

        The good news is that the Base is shrinking. There is not that many mean spirited old white people anymore. The greatest(dumbest) generation is dying off. Even the tea party is getting tired, albeit still very stupid. The party is in real danger of splitting down the middle(thank god) I predict that in the next 4 years the costal more moderate republicans will have a schism with the southern, mid west ones. We are already seeing breakaways like Collins in Maine. Christie, the republican Governor of NJ came out in favor of keeping NJ gun laws the strictest in the country, so there is some hope but a glimmer at best for now.

      • mike

        I was a poll watcher in the 2012 election and watched one women walk in to the polling area and say: My minister last Sunday told us we had better vote because the other guy was going to take every thing away from us. So get off this stupid crap you keep spouting. And Dems don’t cast fears. Right??? You got a pretty good case of the Superiority Complex.

  • elw

    There is a bigger story here. It is only the twisted use of the filibuster that would make a vote of 54 yeses to 46 no’s a losing one. The twisted use of the filibuster has broken this government and both Parties and rule 22, adopted in 1917, are to blame for that. In the first 63 years of its existence (1917-1970), Rule 22 was use 58 times; Since than its use has been exploding, with 365 times in the next 35 years (1971-2006), and a whooping 955 times in the next 21 years (1991 – 2012). It has been a progression that has pushed the last three Congressional sessions’ approval ratings into the low teens. We will never be able to get any type of legislation past that just may be able to help the vast majority of Americans to improve their life’s, unless something is done to stop the use of Rule 22. It is not enough to complain about gun controls failure, that is quite clear. So while you do that, I suggest you also make a point about how you feel about legislation failing even though it had a majority vote. I personally am going to stop voting for anyone who makes use of rule 22, including Senators of my own party. To all Senators: If you want to make a point about a new piece of legislation than stand up like an adult, take responsibility and actually filibuster it. Take a vote and majority opinion rules. It is time to make elections count again.

  • akcoyote

    It’s amazing how the left keeps spouting that “90% of the people support enhanced back ground checks” and yet I don’t know a single person who supports it. I guess the old saying that if you tell a lie often enough, it eventually becomes the truth.

    • johninPCFL

      It’s also true that if all your friends are relatives, you might be a redneck.

      • lana ward

        They’re patriots but you’re to dumb to see it!

        • johninPCFL

          You’re the example of why siblings shouldn’t bear children.

          • lana ward

            The Boston terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev, is now suspected of murdering his only American friend, Brandon Mess and 2 others on Sept 11, 2011. All three were found with their throats slit. Have you heard this on the news yet?? Didn’t think so

          • johninPCFL

            Glenn Beck just said he was the real shooter in Reagan’s attack, and he was the one REALLY holding the shotgun that Cheney used to shoot his friend in the face.

          • lana ward

            Obamas’ Chechens have come home to roost

          • johninPCFL

            So, you’re fifth in a line of sibling marriages? Have you married your brother yet? Any children yet?

          • neeceoooo

            And Glenn Beck was probably on the grassy knoll at the time that Kennedy was shot.

          • lana ward

            Tamerlan Tsarnaev was questioned by the FBI 2 years ago then let go. Why???

          • johninPCFL

            Glenn Beck says it was because the whole FBI was bought by David Koch, and he didn’t want his close, personal friend questioned further.

    • charleo1

      I know what you mean. Every person that came on Fox, or Conservative
      talk radio, said, according to every one of the, “real polls,” (and not those
      fake polls, MSNBC keeps pointing to,) said Romney would win by a landslide!
      And all their little pointy heads bobbed up, and down, in agreement.

  • lana ward

    Time to ban knifes and pressure cookers too!!