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5 Reasons Jeb Bush Is Less Popular Than George W. Bush

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5 Reasons Jeb Bush Is Less Popular Than George W. Bush

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Former Governor Jeb Bush of Florida speaking at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in National Harbor, Maryland. (Gage Skidmore/Flickr)

You should know by now that anything the Bush brothers want you to believe should be treated with extreme suspicion.

When asked what would be Jeb Bush’s biggest problem in pursuing the presidency, George W. Bush recently answered, “Me.”

W. has a point — but only when it comes to the general election. Then, never having disagreed with a president who turned a record surplus into a record deficit, lost two wars, and left America on the brink of an even Greater Depression won’t be a net advantage.

But you can, and I sure do, make an argument that if it weren’t for his last name and his association with W., Jeb would have no chance of being the Republican nominee for president.

We can say this for sure: If Jeb Bush is the Republican frontrunner, he’s the weakest Republican frontrunner in a generation, possibly even since 1964.
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At Mitt Romney’s weakest points, he was still riding above Jeb’s peak support.

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Jeb isn’t just less popular than you’d expect the likely nominee to be, he’s less popular than his brother, someone millions of Americans consider the worst president of their lifetime.

In a recent Bloomberg poll, George W. Bush was viewed favorably by 46 percent of Americans and unfavorably by the same number. It’s hardly impressive, given that former president Bill Clinton’s rating was 60 percent favorable with only 32 percent unfavorable. But compared to Jeb’s 32/42 favorable/unfavorable pairing, W. — whose approval dipped to 25 percent as president — is a George W. Bush Superstar.

Jeb’s numbers in an even more recent AP poll — which shows that Hillary Clinton is the most popular active politician in America, despite the press’s focus on her trustworthiness — weren’t any better at 29/36 favorable/unfavorable.

Let’s be clear: I still think that Jeb is the favorite to win his party’s presidential nomination in 2016 for the same reasons I wrote about in February, namely conservatives’ inability to focus on a viable alternative. Already they’re vacillating between Scott Walker, who seems to have gone from pro-immigration reform to opposing legal immigration, and Marco Rubio, who has merely turned on his own immigration bill (at least until it’s a political advantage again).

But when you’re the least popular Bush in America, you have a problem. Here are five reasons Jeb Bush still looks up to his older brother.

1. He’s been out of office longer than his brother.
When Jeb Bush recently embraced a policy that had been slurred by Republicans as “death panels” during the debate over the Affordable Care Act, he revealed that he has a very different sort of amnesia than most of his fellow partisans. They all have forgotten everything that happened from 2001-2008, except when they want to blame Obama for something that happened in that time frame. For Jeb Bush, history ended in 2007 when he left office, and began again this year when he started running for the White House.

This has some definite advantages. Jeb wasn’t in office when the economy crashed in 2008 and every officeholder in America shared the blame. But he’s been largely absent from the significant debates that have defined politics since then. His critiques of Obama thus sounded parroted. The genuine bitterness he holds toward the current White House occupant — who in 6 years led our nation to job creation greater than both presidents named Bush saw in 12 — comes from the current president pointing out that our last president was pretty terrible.

2. He’s running against the base.
Mitt Romney found a way to run for office based on the premise that his one great accomplishment as governor was about to destroy America. He didn’t really abandon his health care plan, but he used twisted federalism arguments against its national implementation and completely ignored that he often called it a model for the nation.

Jeb Bush’s greatest accomplishment as governor was increasing income inequality. This would thrill many Republican primary voters, but they don’t know his early albums.

Instead, they focus on his last eight years of sucking in corporate cash — on the board of the doomed Lehman Brothers among many, many others — like a blue whale sucks in krill. And they especially despise his unabashed support for Common Core, which is controversial and wildly misunderstood education policy despised both by teachers and the far right. President Obama’s embrace of the policy has made it toxic. Conservatives call it “Obamacare for education” and Ted Cruz has vowed to repeal every word of it, though it isn’t actually a federal law.

“I love you and I love National Review,” Jeb Bush said recently at an event hosted by the non-profit conservative publication. “I just think you’re wrong on immigration, and you think I’m wrong.”

It really isn’t an issue of policy. His opponents all support some form of legalization for the 11 million undocumented after pretending to secure the border more, except Walker, who hasn’t been told what he believes yet. His brother supported a failed but comprehensive approach to immigration reform, even if he never really ran on it.

But Bush is the lone Republican who seems intent on reinforcing these differences. This is a strategy designed to help him in the general election, where his last name will be an anchor the size of Texas. But for now it’s just a way to keep conservatives skeptical.

Read on.

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  1. Theodora30 May 4, 2015

    Jeb Bush is more conservative than the MSM knows – or at least admits. Sure he is sympathetic to immigrants because he is intimately associated with them. Typical of Republicans they only care about what affects them and theirs. My last Congress rep was a right winger who opposed federal interference with health care. Then we got breast cancer and started a program so that all women could get screenings and care. Then a relative was diagnosed with a sever mental illness and – you guessed it – she was all about funding for mental health care.
    But Jeb is all about turning public services into profit making machines for Wall Street, is an original signer of the neocons very disturbing PNAC manifesto (which the media ignored) along with the same guys who brought us the “it will pay for itself” Iraq disaster of a war.
    As for conflict of interest ( a media obsession with the Clintons) Jeb has taken money from and lobbied on behalf of some very shady characters in the right wing crackpot anti-Castro community. He helped Camillo Padreda get more than his share of federal money for his housing business. Padreda scammed the government out of millions. Ditto for Miguel Recarey. Jeb successfully lobbied his daddy’s HHS Secretary to get Recarey and even bigger slice of government funds for his medical center. Recarey bilked the government out of millions then fled the country. Jeb lied about lobbying the HHS Sec (Margaret Heckler) but she admitted he did.
    The worst was Jeb lobbying to get the known terrorist Orlando Bosch released from jail. Daddy allowed it even though his own Attorney General declared Bosch – who had blown up a Cuban passenger jet killing all on board and attacked a Polish cargo ship, among other things – an unrepentant terrorist.
    But it is the Clintons who may have/could possibly have traded influence for donations for charity to help people around the world. Bad judgement and greed, don’t cha know?

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    1. davidcayjohnston May 4, 2015

      Who was the US Representative you did not name, please.

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      1. Theodora30 May 4, 2015

        Sue Myrick, NC. “Once I became a cancer victim myself, as they say, it made me realize how horrible that would be; it would be like a death sentence, if you didn’t have money and somebody said ‘I can’t help you.”
        http://wfae.org/post/look-back-career-congresswoman-sue-myrick

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  2. Leftout May 4, 2015

    Jeb Bush has a problem with the amnesty issue, that is it. 90% of Americans are against any amnesty. All his money supporters can not buy him in on this only problem. The “Euphemism” mantra being used is , everyone want a “a comprehensive immigration ” plan….BUT amnesty is definitely not a part of the ” comprehensive plan ” that Americans want. Any workers program is OK, but no citizenship till all illegals” are documented and get in line. ……..like most civilized nations, with borders no less!!! Even Russians have borders, and many in the U.S. Aspire to be like this socialist hallmark of freedom, or Cuba perchance as another fine example

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    1. i2grok May 4, 2015

      90% OF AMERICANS ARE AGAINST ANY AMNESTY? YOU MUST LIVE IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE OR A DELUSIONAL STATE.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker May 4, 2015

        Name your sources. We already know that to the current president has deported more illegals than Bush ’43. We also know that to deport illegals more deeply embedded in the US would cost more than the US Treasury holds.

        And, let’s get facts out on the table…illegals come here for jobs. Man up and admit that the elephant in the room are employers who hire them and don’t get fined for doing it. It is against the law to hire illegals…so why are contractors loading up the beds of their huge Bully Boy Silverados with illegals they pick up on every NJ street corner? In fact, you’d be hard put to find a single warehouse in any states that isn’t using a Hispanic recruiter who sends all the illegals their way.

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        1. Leftout May 4, 2015

          We personally pay all , at prevailing wages, only because I need workers, when I need them, and they are available. Usually around here they are transients and return home and come back the next season. Rasmussen polls vary from 67% to 80%. Texas and moderate border states , the percentages are higher, upstate New York About 90%., NJ 91 %.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker May 4, 2015

            Oh puhlease…Could you make up a better lie? There are still nearly 6 million people out of work and all you can find to “fill jobs” are illegals? Keep lying to yourself if that’s the only way you can salve an illegal act of hiring illegals. You business lunatics fool no one…the truth you can’t stand is that you just refuse to pay American wages. So now, you get to call minimum wages on a part time or “on Call” basis “prevailing wages? How about we “prevail YOUR income?” How about you stop hiring illegals you don’t pay ANY employer taxes for?

            Texas hires illegals under Riddles’ law and then you get to help pay that $50 billion for border protection. Can your superiority act. I know full well that when a state like TX hires illegals in one breath under TX law and then holds out their hands for $50 billion a year in border protection…more of your BS routine is going down a TX toilet.

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          2. Leftout May 4, 2015

            My income is prevailing upon that which I agree to. Riddles law is generally qfor domestic help as many politicians, females, need to help them with chores while they themselves are going off to work. I am sure they are paid more or as well as anyone. If I could find illegal help to help with chores I would also, but SHE has to be pretty and be able to cook, of course quiet. Six million people out of work, because they / many are already doing modestly well with subsidies. An unmarried couple gets subsides / income for each male, female! Each make out better than than the sum of its parts. This keeps families and from forming……No authority levels or responsibilities either. ,illegals are generally eager and are available as needed, no smirkiness as if one is working below their lofty status.

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          3. S.J. Jolly May 4, 2015

            If we cut out all the subsidies to unemployed Americans, desperate American citizens would take the jobs currently being done by illegals, yes. However, they would be very unhappy, their employers would be very unhappy, and the political representatives of both would be very unhappy !

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          4. Independent1 May 4, 2015

            I’m not too sure Americans would do some of the jobs illegals do unless they were offered more than double or triple what illegals get. When Alabama enacted its strictest-in-the-nation immigration law some years back, it only took 4-6 weeks before people involved in agriculture, construction and hospitality attacked the legislature because despite the fact that we were in the Great Recession, employers in all those industries could not find find people who would take over for the illegals and even legals that had fled the state.

            Contractors in Tuscalusa who were trying to do repairs for damage done by a series of tornados, said they could not find replacements for many of their construction workers. The state even tried using prisoners to work in the fields for the farmers who claimed their crops were rotting and after trying them, the farmers told the state NO THANKS, the prisoners wouldn’t even come close to doing the work the illegals had done – even as forced labor.

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          5. idamag May 4, 2015

            The truth is that there are many people, in Mexico, who would like to get a work Visa and have to wait until a job is promised to them. The perps are the people who bring them in illegally to work for them so they can cheat them. Until the government can stand up to big money and fine those who do this, it won’t change.

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          6. Independent1 May 5, 2015

            Yeah! And it’s sometimes the long waits for visas that pushes some immigrants to cross our borders illegally. One of our daughters has made a number of trips to Haiti over the past several years to do what she and her husband can to help the Haitians recover from their devastating earth quake. In line with that, their family has a young Haitian friend who came to America with a work visa some years back and is now working on his citizenship. He was unable to get a visa for his wife when he first came and has been trying for over 4 years to get her here with him.

            He has been taking trips back each year to visit her and late last year they had a baby. Because of our immigration quota it looks like it will be another 3-5 year wait for my daughter’s Haitian friend to get his wife to America. Given that they’re from Haiti, it’s not likely she’s going to be one of those illegals crossing our southern border – but I’m sure there certainly are many Hispanics from Mexico and Central America who are in exactly the same boat as my daughter’s Haitian friend; who many not be so willing to wait out those 3-5 years to get their family back together.

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          7. paulyz May 5, 2015

            Again you fail to mention that the U.S. allows more LEGAL Immigrants here than most of the World combined. Again, more of your anti-American misinformation & biases.

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          8. Independent1 May 6, 2015

            And you fail to mention that without America welcoming these immigrants, America would be in as big a bind as are numerous countries around the planet which have severely shrinking populations like Japan, Russia and a number of European countries.

            The birthrate in America fell below the replacement level of 2.1 kids/family a couple decades ago. So without immigrants, including illegals, coming to America – our population wouldn’t be close 318 million right now it would probably getting closer to 275 million. And with about 50 million less people, it would really be next to impossible for companies to keep up with the growth projections that most economists say are needed to drive a healthy economy.

            So if you think the U.S. economy isn’t growing as fast as you like now, and aside from China which is growing only because the Chinese leaders had repressed its people for decades – without immigrants, including illegal immigrants that pump billions of dollars into our economy – the economy today would be going backwards instead of progressing!!!

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          9. paulyz May 6, 2015

            With your idiotic “reasoning” we would have to constantly increase our population to account for immigration increases, then again even more population increases, so we can become an overpopulated poverty ridden country like India or China & many others. Again you fail to mention the high number of long-term unemployed, high poverty & record food-stamp usage. All your statements contradict one another. You must be an Illegal alien trespasser.

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          10. Independent1 May 6, 2015

            And talk about MISINFORMATION!! That’s all you and your other PAID RWNJ TROLL FRIENDS know how to spew here on the NM!!!

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          11. S.J. Jolly May 5, 2015

            1. I wondered how the anti-illegal legislation in Alabama worked out. (Much as I expected), Thanks for the update.
            2. IOW The replacement, citizen, workers were unhappy, the employers were unhappy, and the politicians were unhappy!

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          12. paulyz May 5, 2015

            Correction, Americans had done the work “before” people hired Illegals to work for less without benefits, except for the benefits paid to them by the American taxpayer through health care, education, ect. & the increased costs of unemployment to displaced American workers. Seems as though you are on the side of Illegals instead of Americans as usual.

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          13. Independent1 May 6, 2015

            More of your rubbish!!

            Americans have not done any of that kind of work for the past 70 plus years – since the days of the WPA. Back during WWII America invited over 3 million immigrants into the country to do the kind of work they’re doing today because so many American men were overseas fighting in wars. It was women that were doing a great deal of the factory work here with immigrants doing the farming, meanial construction work and more. And it hasn’t changed a great deal in the 70 plus years since.

            What American mothers do you know of that say to their kids:, hey look!! just think – you can grow up to be a ditch digger! Or a roofing hand that carries bundles of shingles all day! Or a farm hand that slaves away in the sun to pick crops out of the fields for peanuts!! Or works all day changing beds and cleaning rooms in the motel down the road!!

            Get Real!! You’re just spewing more of your lies!!

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          14. paulyz May 6, 2015

            More anti-American statements from you. Come on, you must be an Illegal alien or the child of one. When businesses that are found to hire Illegals are busted, there are long lines of Americans waiting to fill them. Why the Federal Government wants continued extensions of unemployment, to take away the incentive to work.

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          15. Leftout May 4, 2015

            No one is completely happy with working, except for my self . There is much social value and pride for working . Surely we would all want to be sitting on a beach in Tortola , but who is gong to bring you your drinks. Listen we are all valued, worker ants, bigger ants, worker bees , Queen bees, , all working to give and take for the cause, all smiling. I never saw a colony of ants just sitting around saying ” it’s not my job” . We ” exploit” for prevailing wages . To each his own. To others….very very , very few of the less fortunate we care and feed if we are humans, and let them go , if we are lions.

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          16. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            Poor Eleanore has not taken a poll in so long she has forgotten what to do with it.

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          17. Leftout May 5, 2015

            Poles or polls? Éleanor is always goading men to say they hate women. She must have a raspy personality, or,she is sooooo wanting that no human man nor mythical Greel Hydra may Be good enough. She may even displease a robot ,,can you imagine that conversation. ” Ouch you bolt is cold, or nuts are loose!”
            Back to work…

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        2. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

          I have to agree with you even if it does make me constipated.

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          1. paulyz May 6, 2015

            Except for her deportation statement. Obama has “on paper” high deportation numbers, but are not deported, many actually released, including tens of thousands of criminal Illegals. Why we must have mandatory E-verify with heavy fines, a fully secure border, & stop & locate visa overstays, as a 1st. & separate bill, not another comprehensive Amnesty.

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      2. Leftout May 4, 2015

        I thought it was more also, but I only saw recent surveys. Thanks for correction .

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        1. i2grok May 4, 2015

          Try getting your figures from someplace other than the inside of your medication bottles.
          The Zogby poll finds that the majority of Americans (55 percent) think that an amnesty is a bad or very bad idea compared to 34 percent who think it is a good or very good idea.

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          1. Leftout May 4, 2015

            At least you are getting closer. My local bar, as well , is much more in tune with the higher numbers. I have no problems with workers that work and come and go , but are not eligible to vote unless they become citizens, avowing allegiance to the U.S. .

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      3. idamag May 4, 2015

        t-nuts use the 90% for everything. I had one tell me, the other day, that 90% of the Hispanics were on food stamps. Then, later, he said 90% of the Black people won’t take a job if one is offered to them. I asked him where he got his figures. His answer, “Everybody know that stuff.” They are so proud of stupid.

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        1. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

          You need to stop hanging out in rest stop bathrooms.

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      4. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

        Apparently you don’t live in San Antonio.

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        1. i2grok May 5, 2015

          I’ve lived in SA for 68 years minus stints in the military. I am a southsider. And what does that have to do with Leftout’s ridiculous claim of 90%?

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    2. CrankyToo May 4, 2015

      You sound like a smart person… to a stupid person.

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      1. Leftout May 4, 2015

        You at least are able to recognize half truths. Are you telling me that the population of the U.S. Is for amnesty unconditionally ?

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        1. CrankyToo May 4, 2015

          No, I’m not telling you that. In my experience, hardly anyone is for any policy implementation “unconditionally”.

          What I’m telling you, having been watching your comments for several weeks now, is that most of what you post is nonsense, but it likely sounds plausible to people who have a hard time distinguishing goosesh!t from tapioca (i.e. homophobes, xenophobes, Sunday schoolers, skinheads, rednecks and various and sundry other “cons”).

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          1. Leftout May 4, 2015

            Most of the goose droppings are coming from the flock of ” comprehensive immigration” enthusiasts ; that want to grant backdoor citizenship /benefits , through just possessing a drivers license. These semanticists are cleaver to describe their terms enticingly as Tapioca, but certainly geese are not found in any ones house as in your case , so differentiation is with out question. How anyone can have a place that would have goose droppings and Tapioca in the same eating area ??!!! Not even rednecks are capable of such etiquette , one needs to be eating rations near a goose overfly zone…personal observations.w

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          2. CrankyToo May 4, 2015

            Remember what I said about you sounding like a smart person? Well you can forget that because no one could possibly read your latest post and mistake you for smart person – not even a stupid person. You should change your handle to “leftfield”.

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          3. Leftout May 4, 2015

            I played left field, I was tall that’s all. I am a social person, everyone should have free health care, a basic salary forever, anything you earn after that , so much the better. But no one can even agree on the base salary, I bet. It’s like giving humongous money for school aid, to poorer areas., not one person. Even Al Sharpless can not give an exact that would bring about parity. It does not cost any money to study. Abe Lincoln did it , in a log cabin and no iPhones to look things up.
            Slaves are happy in slavery , it is easy living. Even the Jews leaving Egypt bitched to Moses, asking Where TF are we goin’? They wanted to go back to Egypt. Self reliance takes some vision and energy .

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          4. clicknread May 4, 2015

            “Slaves are happy in slavery , it is easy living.” — Leftout

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          5. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            Why would any want to remember anything you said?

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          6. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            Do you know how the term red neck originated? It had nothing to do with the sun.

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          7. Leftout May 5, 2015

            It is a derogatory term used for hicks that work hard in the fields harvesting artichokes for the vegans, but it designated minors who word red necker Chiefs for some reason ….?

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          8. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            Read about the Appalachia coal mine wars. That is how they designated whose side they were on. Red rag around the neck. Red necks.

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          9. Leftout May 5, 2015

            Yes, I remember now. I did read about that awhile back. Thanks for update

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          10. Leftout May 5, 2015

            Also your writings are humorous and based on reality , no cliches , all
            Original stuff from the heart, great to see.
            Thanks

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          11. hicusdicus May 8, 2015

            Don’t compliment me it will make you enemies. I have not made any sense since I got on this web site. These are some of the strangest people I have ever run into. After reading a lot of their comments I have come to believe that I could run the universe.

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          12. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            In your experience. What is your experience? Watching porn hub with a key board cover dies not count.

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          13. CrankyToo May 6, 2015

            Your avatar is appropriate. You’re a sick puppy…

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          14. hicusdicus May 6, 2015

            Wow! What a creative comment. I know, you forgot the keyboard cover.

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          15. CrankyToo May 6, 2015

            Why are you going on and on about a keyboard cover? What exactly are you talking about?

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          16. Louis Allen May 6, 2015

            Ok. Which part of Leftout’s post is “nonsense” to you?
            He said:
            “…. all would be in favor of eventual citizenship, but not outright granting of such as may be applied by trickery. Borders must be formalized, then a program of education of American values and the meaning / knowledge of being in America and the pportunities that are to be EARNED not TAKEN. Wretched refuse that land on our shores in my grandfathers day saw the lamp next to the golden door. It took work to keep that Golden
            Door Shining and that is why it is still shining, maybe a lessor shine, there are a few that have taken the gold with no return”

            WHICH PART, you dumbass??

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    3. Independent1 May 4, 2015

      Not sure what you consider amnesty, but more than 60% of Americans support a path to citizenship for the illegals.

      See this from Yahoo News:

      62 percent of Americans back letting illegal immigrants become citizens

      WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Sixty-two percent of Americans support providing a way for immigrants living in the United States illegally to become citizens if they meet requirements, while almost a fifth support deportation, a poll showed on Tuesday.

      With the Obama administration hoping that immigration reform could be passed this year, 17 percent of Americans surveyed back allowing illegal immigrants to become permanent legal residents, according to the poll by the nonpartisan Public Religion Research Institute and the center-left Brookings Institution.

      Support for a route to citizenship for the roughly 11 million undocumented U.S. residents is nearly the same as the 63 percent shown in a March 2013 poll, the survey said.

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      1. Leftout May 4, 2015

        You are correct , all would be in favor of eventual citizenship, but not outright granting of such as may be applied by trickery. Borders must be formalized, then a program of education of American values and the meaning / knowledge of being in America and the opportunities that are to be EARNED not TAKEN. Wretched refuse that land on our shores in my grandfathers day saw the lamp next to the golden door. It took work to keep that Golden Door Shining and that is why it is still shining, maybe a lessor shine, there are a few that have taken the gold with no return.

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    4. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

      How about no citizenship until they straighten their own country up.

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      1. Leftout May 5, 2015

        Tis true, with all of that oil down there , the system should take care of it self. Mexico used to be a some what decent tourism spot . The hypocrisy of it all, their borders are closed on the southern side. Very strict penalties.

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        1. CrankyToo May 5, 2015

          Nonsense. Most of the immigrants who cross our southern border are from Latin and South America, which means they crossed the Mexican southern border first.

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          1. Leftout May 5, 2015

            Yes , only about 20% are truly !Mexican, they cross the border illegally and travel thru Mexico. Mexican borders are almost as secure as the U.S. Border crosses have to avoid being caught. These border crossers are. Essentially trafficked up north via rail or underground methods, as long as they get to the U.S. , its ok by Mexican Burro patrol.

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  3. Alvin Harrison May 4, 2015

    The only place I want to see the Bush name is on a can of baked beans….and if it was Jeb they would be “half baked”.

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  4. FT66 May 4, 2015

    I have much doubts whether Jeb Bush’s strategy to win will deliver any success. First of all he came straight away to tell people what they don’t want to hear like “act of love” while emphasising on immigration. That is not what politicians do to win the hearts and minds of voters at the first place. Secondly, he mentioned he has to lose the primary first in order to win the General Election. This doesn’t make any sense at all. Once he has been kicked out of the primaries, he will never come back to be nominated hence win the General Election. Thirdly, he has put all his efforts in accumulating money for his bid, instead of concentrating in people. Money is not always the answer especially at this age of new tech. in politics.

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  5. Dominick Vila May 4, 2015

    Besides the fact that he is more intelligent and articulate than his older brother, the negative views of him shared by so many “conservatives” may be influence by his marriage to a Mexican-American, his friendly overtures to immigrants, and the fact that he is viewed as a moderate by the GOP rank and file. I doubt his dealings with the Cuban mafia, before he became Governor of Florida, his involvement in the Terri Schiavo case, or the shenanigans that paved the way to W’s selection as POTUS, has anything to do with the negative views that so many Republicans have of him.
    His obsession with getting financial backing, which is a requirement to become a viable candidate in the USA, has forced him to neglect the more basic need to appeal to the electorate by conveying a comprehensive and clear plan or political platform. The latter has allowed charlatans to take the lead.

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  6. i2grok May 4, 2015

    Does it really matter who the Republicans nominate?
    The next President will be Hillary Clinton.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker May 4, 2015

      Yes…and all the Mr. Man mentalities out there better get over it. It is long past time for a woman in the White House. Sorry, but don’t even go there with that “it shouldn’t be about gender.” Wrong…after 235+ years…it has ALWAYS been about gender: YOURS.

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      1. Leftout May 4, 2015

        I like women on top but not in this case. Why should you settle for for a used truck when a new one has the same payments, and sans the repairs, and newer gear ,rear keeps on running quietly and does the job that it was designed. Older models were designed for older uses, Ask Bill, ……oh, is he still running to the islands for a ride?

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        1. FT66 May 4, 2015

          My friend “Leftout”, will you please cool down and let the weekend goby as it has already done. It shows today you have come out with heavy machineguns of attacks.

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          1. Leftout May 4, 2015

            You are right, Eleanor’s gets my hackles up. It annoys me that she thinks men hate women. I wish that I coils please her, but shanhas more than any living man could give

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker May 4, 2015

            No…he has NO attacks. Anyone who sits with a double wide as at a computer with hateful ageist attacks on women is a pig. A macho, PIG. He’s an “Animal House” Bluto on steroids and not much else.

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          3. Leftout May 4, 2015

            Oh Eleanor, I Love women as do 99% of the men, more the better. I never made an inflammatory attack against a real woman…..you expect every man to be a mythological Satyr, in your dreams. But we are all normal underneath our dresses or pants as the case may be. My arse is not double wide, I am walking as I work, , not so much work today, so I can address your needs better.

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          4. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            I see left out has hit a sore point with you. No matter how many times you run yourself through the fluff cycle those wrinkles are here to stay. You should fit in just fine with the raisin crowd.

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          5. BOC May 13, 2015

            Do you think he wears, ‘women beaters?’

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        2. Eleanore Whitaker May 4, 2015

          Nice try Leftout…But what the hell do you call JEB? New? Newer than what? An Edsel? Sorry but you men just don’t get it. Women ARE financially independent. Men like you love love love those 2nd incomes McWifie brings home that makes YOUR lives easier and theirs harder. But when it comes to playing fair, men like you prefer to skank your way through life.

          The oldest models? Charles and David Kock. Adelson…your hero? How about old media billionaires like Murdoch and Zuckerberg?

          A moron like you should know that most women consider a 40 year old guy like a car…a classic…another 2 years and he’s an antique…Your macho BS gets you a kick in those raisins in your jeans and not much else honcho ego boy.

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          1. Leftout May 4, 2015

            I am not a supporter of Jeb Bush, he made his bed on immigration and lost it for me. As noted elsewhere no amount of money/ backers can buy him in on immigration, his die has been cast. He very competent administrator as stated by many locals, do not know more than that except for dirty croniisms than are there for politicians.

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          2. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            If the daughter of Methuselah ever got with a 40 year old man she would be arrested for robbing the cradle or homicide for scaring him to death.

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          3. Leftout May 5, 2015

            That’s the reason we have burkas. 2 burkas in some cases. Moslem men are allowed to have sex with thee wife six hours of a wife’s death…..personal conversations only. Or in some women it is hard to tell. A man can not fake it as well, at least some honesty there.

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          4. BOC May 13, 2015

            The Koch brothers don’t care anything about you. That’s what’s so disgusting about you wannabe’s. You suck-up to the money barron’s thinking some will ‘trickle-down’ to you. That’s why you falsely claim to be one of them. Stop making fools of yourselves and start living within reality, not fantasy land.

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          5. Leftout May 13, 2015

            I only found out recently as to who Koch was . They were hated because they give much money to support politicians on the right. There are many wealthy on the left that do the same, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Soros, and some other character ..name begins with S. I know nothing of them other than they created products that cause the creation of jobs on various levels: truckers, secretaries, cooks, HR people, accountants, white maintenance and plant engineers, Black cafeteria workers.

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          6. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            Speaking of antiques you are in good form today. When was the last time you had some raisins in your sweaty little palm? Maybe some raisins and a banana for breakfast would put some color in your cheeks.

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          7. Louis Allen May 6, 2015

            You, little rascal you!
            I almost had a laughter-caused heart attack !!
            And now, …… let’s wait for Lenore’s inane but VITRIOLIC response.
            Her limited vocabulary (she claims to be a “writer”) consists of 8 words, 4 of which are “raisins”, “small penis”, “macho”, and “crazy”.

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        3. Independent1 May 4, 2015

          And by the way, buying a new vehicle is never the really smart decision – new vehicles depreciate far too much the moment you drive them out of the dealer’s lot. The more sane choice is to buy a 2-year old vehicle with low mileage (around 20,000) and often pay as little as half as much for essentially a new vehicle that’s just been broken in.

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          1. Leftout May 4, 2015

            I have done that with cars, less problems, much savings. But I would like a fresh woman for learning/sharing new pathways through life. Choosing ?? a woman is not based on sanity., it just happens….I prefer low mileage, a romanticist be I, Money is not a factor here, people can depreciate just as quickly if not serviced properly. I do not come across with manygood pikins on these , since I am uglier than a camel. But my friends keep me in mind and toss be some leftovers….two baggers. We all have a purpose in life.

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          2. BOC May 7, 2015

            Hillary is not burned out, that be Carly.

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        4. joe schmo May 5, 2015

          Ahhh. I don’t. It takes a special kind of woman to be on top. Women tend to be very bias and too emotional. I agree that some who have their own businesses are successful. Carly Fiorina nearly drove HP into poverty. Thatcher was one of England’s best prime ministers, but that is rare.

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          1. Leftout May 5, 2015

            Culturally , woman were expected in traditional family roles, and they are necessary for that.their opportunities because of this ONLY, have limited their mobility, except in the Nursimg and health care areas. It is their inherent set of genes that allow for that nurturing personality. Most of my “bosses” were women and they are a bit more meticulous and organized, a trait most men know about. When they get too bitchy I just say, ” I’m not your husband” , mostly a chuckle…. and we leave and continue our work. , of course, we are generally on good terms. Men sometimes think a male is trying to move up over their position, so it can get contentious. I just go with the flow and enjoy .

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          2. BOC May 13, 2015

            Neanderthal!

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          3. Leftout May 13, 2015

            I do use that term, for my self, because I am ugly, not for my philosophy of course.

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        5. BOC May 7, 2015

          What new one? Stop this incessant rambling you have going on.

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      2. hicusdicus May 4, 2015

        There is nothing wrong with having a woman president. Hillary Clinton is not suitable to run this country.

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        1. Leftout May 4, 2015

          Ask any country, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Yemen , Iraq, Ukraine , Russia, U.S. .get her off this planet, global cooling is next.

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          1. Independent1 May 5, 2015

            Hmm!! I’ll guarantee you the women in all those countries you just mentioned think far more highly of Hillary than they would ever think of any of the clown cars that are running for the GOP nod. There’s not a one of them that’s sane enough to lead America anywhere!!

            But see this on just how much women around the world love Hillary. And sometimes women can be very influencial:

            You won’t see Hillary Clinton in the same light ever again

            But that night in the theater two years ago, the other six brave women came up on the stage. Anabella De Leon of Guatemala pointed to Hillary Clinton, who was sitting right in the front row, and said, “I met her and my life changed.” And all weekend long, women from all over the world said the same thing:

            “I’m alive because she came to my village, put her arm around me, and had a photograph taken together.”

            “I’m alive because she went on our local TV and talked about my work, and now they’re afraid to kill me.”

            “I’m alive because she came to my country and she talked to our leaders, because I heard her speak, because I read about her.”

            I’m here today because of that, because of those stories. I didn’t know about this. I never knew any of it. And I think everybody should know. This hidden history Hillary has, the story of her parallel agenda, the shadow diplomacy unheralded, uncelebrated — careful, constant work on behalf of women and girls that she has always conducted alongside everything else a First Lady, a Senator, and now Secretary of State is obliged to do.

            And it deserves to be amplified. This willingness to take it, to lead a revolution – and revelation, beginning in Beijing in 1995, when she first raised her voice to say the words you’ve heard many times throughout this conference: “Women’s Rights Are Human Rights.”

            When Hillary Clinton stood up in Beijing to speak that truth, her hosts were not the only ones who didn’t necessarily want to hear it. Some of her husband’s advisors also were nervous about the speech, fearful of upsetting relations with China. But she faced down the opposition at home and abroad, and her words continue to hearten women around the world and have reverberated down the decades.

            She’s just been busy working, doing it, making those words “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” into something every leader in every country now knows is a linchpin of American policy. It’s just so much more than a rhetorical triumph. We’re talking about what happened in the real world, the institutional change that was a result of that stand she took.

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again?detail=email

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          2. Leftout May 5, 2015

            You seem to see more in hillarey than I can. Most foreigners in 3rd worlds are enamoured of Americans. I know many everyday people that have worked in similar roles…no extravagant titles….with the same kind of adulation. I hope if Hillary is president that she will be for Americans first, the working stiff.
            If one goes across the Mexican border in Tijuana , people come running up to you trying to touch a real American ….many years ago. They crabbed pencils from my pocket and were almost tearful, I gave the kid a ball point pen as well, and was almost given the kids sister for the night. Most everyone encourages little boys and girls that have hope in their eyes. Everyone, males included , is a champion of women’s rights, inspite of the contrived political rhetoric that is a divisively used to separate all of us on woman’s rights. It is laughable that it appeals to so many shallow thinkers.
            Certainly women are treated differently in different cultures and theocracies. But These times are a changin.
            Hillary has been thru a lot with Bill, and is a strong woman. Forgiving perhaps, or opportunistic. I am open. She would have been a superior president compared to the present character, and it is not because he is half white.

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          3. Independent1 May 5, 2015

            Like so many, I think you’re grossly misjudging the ‘current character’, given that in the fact of unprecedented obstructionism from the GOP, evidenced by the fact that 14 Republicans, including Newt Gingrich, met on Obama’s inaugural night to plot how they could sabotage our economy to try and make him a one-term president. And they have in fact worked 24/7 over the past 6 years to try and fulfill that objective.

            I’m old enough to remember listening to FDR’s fireside chats when I was growing up, so l’ve lived through quite a number of presidents, and aside from FDR, this ‘present character, is BY FAR the best president of them all. And in fact, more has been accomplished really beneficial to America – despite the myopic vision of apparently people like, you, than was accomplished in the 28 years that Nixon, Reagan and the 2 Bushes were in office.

            I could waste your time and start listing just a few of the more than 40 significant accomplishments that America has experienced over the past 6 years which has apparently gone right over the head of people such as yourself – but I won’t bore you. I’ll only say that you like so many others are blind to your prejudices and have deliberately chosen to look the other way and be brainwashed by the 24/7 negativism of the GOP.

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          4. Leftout May 5, 2015

            I also wanted to have Obama as a one year president, his policies to me were destructive of my idealism that made this country the beacon of hope. We are here and everyone wants to come here. I am for universal , free health care, basic, paid into retirement for all. The animosity comes from the Working members paying for those not contributing. ,A social security sales tax would force equitable contribution by ALL, corps and citizens to pay for thes basic needs. The politicizing of these basic needs has been destructive and unnecessary.

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          5. BOC May 13, 2015

            How did your idealism make this country, the beacon of hope. What did you contribute to this country, that was significant and very meaningful?

            If you were a servicemen, how did you stand-out from the others?
            If you were a politician how did you serve your constituency, effect change and make a difference in their lives as positive citizens?

            If you were a civil servant, did you serve at the pleasure of the tax paying people and function above and beyond just a simple paycheck, give an example?

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          6. Leftout May 13, 2015

            Sounds like a Human Resources questionnaire. Are YOU a Human Resources Engineer. In general I inspired some to higher levels of achievement, and they are doing well in the spirit of success, and I get a spiritual thank you if they ever think of me, maybe. I can not name anyone of course, privacy.

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          7. BOC May 14, 2015

            You made claims, but no foundation to give what you post credibility.

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          8. Leftout May 14, 2015

            My foundations are my real life experiences in dealing with staff, everyday meetings as part of life and work. With all modesty, without sounding self serving I leave a place or associates in a better position than when I started and they appear to appreciate it, as I find out later.

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          9. BOC May 14, 2015

            I’m sure that must be reassuring and a good feeling that is priceless.

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          10. Leftout May 14, 2015

            It is priceless, especially when it comes unsolicited from third parties. Makes one think someone is actually listening to some of my wackiness.

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          11. BOC May 7, 2015

            FOX NEWS, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Really’ Reilly, Lindsey Graham, Cruz, Gohmert, Hannity, and others fill your head with falsities.

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          12. BOC May 13, 2015

            Well, I think that just covered it all for you, Leftie.

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          13. Independent1 May 14, 2015

            Leftie for the moment (just like Bernie Sanders and Angus King two independents in the Senate) – as long as the GOP insists on being as far right as they’ve been the past 2 – 3 decades.

            But I challenge any NM poster to identify any president since FDR who has actually worked as hard as Obama to do as much as he has for the average American – and especially considering the unprecedented 24/7 GOP obstructionism that he has gotten – I think even far more than FDR got. I doubt seriously any group of Republicans deliberately met on one of FDR’s inauguration nights to plot on how they could sabotage the American economy to try and make him a one-term president.

            And aside from possibly FDR, what other president was successful in getting legislation passed like ACA which has already easily saved 75,000 Americans their lives?

            And not only lives but also saving hospitals and states billions of dollars because of reduced uninsured rates and hospital readmission rates??? (It’s projected ACA saved hospitals across America last your more than 7 billion – and because of that tax payers billions in reduced subsidies states have had to pay hospitals.)

            And what other president has really tried to do so much with say immigration but been rebutted by the GOP??

            Or to rework the college loan disaster in America and been rebutted by the GOP – and yet actually helping by cutting banks out of the process?

            And what other president has been in the spotlight 24/7 taking unprecedented vile from the GOP and yet keeping a level head and still going ahead trying to get something accomplished that will HELP THE AVERAGE AMERICAN???

            I’m not suggesting that Obama hasn’t made mistakes or that I’m happy with everything his administration has done. But in all the time I’ve been alive and lived in America where I was aware of politics – more than 60 years – I’ve never seen one president constantly trying to do something!! Any president who has been in the news on average of 3-5 days a week because of something he’s working to do or be criticized for it.

            An poster on the NM who thinks there’s been a president that’s accomplished even close to what Obama has in the past 6 years – I’ll be glad to listen – but I really doubt one can be found.

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          14. BOC May 7, 2015

            You’d be hard pressed trying to discredit 44. The guys on the hill couldn’t and it frustrated them. What makes you any different?

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          15. Leftout May 7, 2015

            The guys on the hill are intimidated, no. 44 has discredited himself. He missed a golden opportunity to elevate his Black constituents by not being a role model as how to get out of the deprivation. There are many people who made it, Colin Powell, Michelle, Connie Rice , the evil Eric Holder, and all of prince Geroges county in Maryland. There has to be advertising of these successful people to the younger ones. Obama has squandered this humongous resource that he has. They spend their time disseminating tripe that whitey is keeping blacks down, that is ridiculous excuse for not getting off your butt. His early associations with questionable characters planted the seeds of doubt for me, he has done nothing to overcome this anti americanism the persists to this day in his rhetoric. His biggest disgusting oversight was in not helping his own people, at least theBlacks ,which he has failed to come a part of.

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          16. BOC May 7, 2015

            He DID NOT miss a golden opportunity to elevate. The GOP obstructionism and decimation of the middle class by the W. Bush administration wreaked havoc across all ethnic lines in this and the poor categories. The republican mantra was to eliminate unions and the whole middle and lower class where they reside. This included those who were non-union as well, which they chalked-up’ as collateral damage.

            Black constituents you are referring to, know what the economic domino effect is times -two or three, depending on how bad the white population is affected by this economic chaos that ‘W’ said ‘WE HAVE TO LEARN TO GET BY ON LESS”, which was extremely bad. We have not recovered yet.

            President Obama community college initiative
            will go a long way toward rectifying some of these disadvantages, for sure.

            Not being a role model is too loose of a term some people, like you, use because it’s trendy thing to say. You are clueless of it’s impact and what it really means to those in need.

            The GOP could be helpful by showing those who were once
            productive citizens, how to get out of the deprivation. But that would cause them to enter the ‘solution-zone’, which happens to be foreign territory to them and you.

            His early associations with questionable characters like whom, are responsible for this so-called planted seed of doubt you claim to be fighting with? What type of Americano phobia are you dealing with?

            You’re keep ranting and rumbling along in vagueness.

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          17. Leftout May 7, 2015

            All successful blacks are missing the opportunity to help their own to achieve a higher std of education. Many many blacks in inner cities have managed to better themselves through better education and transferring these values to the next generation. It is difficult but do able, the so called menial jobs were available when I was going thru the rigors of education and getting a job to pay for it. I took any job available for the struggle, to me it was enjoyable and successful stratagy, I have extensive experience in th inner cities, Newark, , Bronx , SE Washington DC. Philadelphia. The key is getting out and getting an education, trades, healthcare, unions are great for establishing a good base. To me all of the presidents signed off on Nafta , and a giant sucking sound ( Ross Perot) of jobs leaving . The U.S. Companies were given incentives to leave, build new plants over the borders instead of in the Detroits of our country,,,,those goods could have been manufactured here. Other countries should achieve our level of living, not the reverse. The stupidty and corruption of Bushes, Clintons, rReagon ? And the congress , corrupted by lobbyist destroyed this countrys high standing in job creations. I say get out and do it. Many of us did it. Everyone should be encouraged everyday, but I hear nothing from anyone. The monies spent by lobbyists, PACs in corrupting congress can be used for a free educational fund for everyone. Amen.

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          18. BOC May 13, 2015

            Having said what you have here. Are you always in the habit of sniping at those who see what you see philosophically and politically? Or are you fishing for a profile that you might think is in stealth-mode?

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          19. Leftout May 13, 2015

            I am disheartened at the lack of leadership in encouraging those that need guidance in making their way out of some bad environments. I snipe at situations that could be better , people are pointing, blaming others elements are keeping others in chains , if you will, I do not see that going on day to day, I only see lack of encouragement from people that can help , but are not visible.

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          20. BOC May 13, 2015

            “….disheartened at the lack of leadership….?”

            So, you had to be really ticked-off at W. Bush and Dick’Halliburton/KBR’ Cheney. While Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld, ran-amok.

            “…..I only see lack of encouragement from people that can help , but are not visible.”

            A lot of philanthropist and notable emeritus public servants I know and they know me personally, do not wear what they do for others on their sleeves for others to see.

            ‘Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor’.

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          21. Leftout May 13, 2015

            Being a quiet philanthropist is alright, but this is a unique situation. youth need intense presence of role models such as Obama and friends, to engender true hope for the future of young people, but Obama uses his rhetoric to drive wedges between people, making relationships between all, much more strained. All the good work of MLK is pushed back many years. The likes of al sharpton- small letters – is caricature of blackism and is a shameful representation Black culture.

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          22. BOC May 14, 2015

            I think youth need intense presence of role models and they are getting it. But, we could always use more high-profile role models, it’s a continuous work-in-progress.

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          23. Leftout May 14, 2015

            Yes , agreed, so get out there with your influential friends and make it happen. I work under cover and have no friends.

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          24. BOC May 14, 2015

            You have no idea. How many college scholarships were you involved in this year and last? How many families did you feed Thanksgiving day and how many Christmas baskets and gifts during the same period?

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          25. Leftout May 14, 2015

            If that is a personal request of me , I can attest to thanksgiving servings and assuring American graduates to gain acceptance graduate medical schools, long story

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          26. BOC May 14, 2015

            I truly don’t understand why people think that Rev. Al Sharpton (MSNBC) and Jesse Jackson (shakedown artist) are the mouthpiece for all of black America, they emphatically are not.

            There are community activist in every urban center in the USA like or better than them and they both know it. That’s why they created and established National Action Network (NAN) under Sharpton and Operation PUSH and the National Rainbow Coalition (NRC) under Jackson, in order to connect, and in some ways control, these other community activists/ influencers.

            Many even make the mistake of linking the Urban League and for some reason, the NAACP with these entities, which is totally inaccurate and comparing ‘apples to oranges’. Only one of these latter two, in my view, can be credited with doing real work and effecting change and leadership is the reason.

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          27. BOC May 14, 2015

            I find it fascinating how people cleverly attempt to co-mingle words and labels in an effort to bypass the truth.

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          28. Leftout May 14, 2015

            Truth can be painful , if one lies, and has deference to the difference

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          29. BOC May 14, 2015

            In the end, there’s ‘true-up’. You might as well come out clean and straight.

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          30. Leftout May 14, 2015

            True. I really only say my true experiences and they are not made up facts., aside from a satirical dig, I feel if I get caught lying I can never say anything to anyone any further, no credibility. People try and trap me , but I know that what I say is from real associations and I can defend myself. Thanks for conversation .

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          31. BOC May 13, 2015

            You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. The list you tried to compile here is only just an example of hundred of thousands. I think you should go back over the W Bush years and review the systemic economic deprivation this administration has caused, not just blacks, but the middle-class. How’s your 401K?

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          32. BOC May 7, 2015

            Don’t you just love, citations.

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          33. BOC May 7, 2015

            You forgot Israel.

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          34. BOC May 13, 2015

            We have to figure out where to send you first.

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          35. Leftout May 13, 2015

            I was sent here as an observer and to help others achieve perfection too.

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          36. BOC May 14, 2015

            Who sent you?

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          37. Leftout May 14, 2015

            I am still searching for the culprit. I am coming to the conclusion that we were all always here in some form, we just keep molting and morphing into each other. Your CO2 may be my O2, so we are more similar than we may want to admit.

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          38. BOC May 14, 2015

            I’ve always been pegged ‘down the middle’ in most political evaluations, I’ve taken.

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          39. BOC May 14, 2015

            CO2 indeed, don’t get me started on this. I’m not the guy who would be inviting Al Gore over for dinner and my sister wouldn’t be inviting either him nor me over to one of her political fundraisers, that’s for sure.

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        2. BOC May 4, 2015

          She has what it takes to maintain and be a innovated POTUS.

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          1. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            No she does not. She has no accomplishments , she quits under pressure. She wants to disarm us and turn the US into a nanny state. She is also a bald faced liar and power hungry. How about a younger more educated and intelligent woman who really cares about the people who work and produce.

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          2. BOC May 7, 2015

            Fiorina isn’t the answer and you know it. Her corporate track record sucks and her political attempts have been non-eventful.

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          3. hicusdicus May 7, 2015

            Who is Fiorina? I was thinking of a leggy lass with halogen headlights and a receiver hitch that would make me want to be a trailer. She could lie to me all day long and I would just drool.

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          4. BOC May 13, 2015

            Humor will get you everywhere.

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          5. BOC May 7, 2015

            “she quits under pressure?”

            She served and left under her own terms and conditions. Where does it say she wanted to disarm the USA? What did she lie about and don’t tell me about any emails or the Benghazi witch hunt orchestrated by Darryl Issa and his bad of conspiracy minions, all..

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          6. hicusdicus May 8, 2015

            She is rabid anti second amendment. She lied about Bills sexual adventures. Benghazi is not a witch hunt. Remember what she said about that mess, what does it matter” It sure did matter to the people who died there. We don’t need democrats or republicans running our government. We desperately need honest, ethical people to run our government ,who care more about their fellow citizens than they they do their jobs. There is no real difference between the two parties. They are both buying votes with their lies. Don’t forget about her shenanigans when Bill was gov of Arkansas, That’s another bunch of sordid stories.

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          7. BOC May 12, 2015

            Don’t allow conspiracy theories define who you really are.

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          8. BOC May 13, 2015

            I’m still trying to find in your posts where either of the Clinton’s actions hurt our government or our economy, like the W. Bush administration did?

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          9. BOC May 13, 2015

            Make sure this guy never gets ownership of a gun. If he has one, confiscate it.

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          10. BOC May 13, 2015

            You’re just rambling again. Your rambling and ranting squanders your opportunity to make constructive points.

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        3. Louis Allen May 6, 2015

          hicus: Two sentences that (perfectly) summarize truth/reality.

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        4. BOC May 7, 2015

          WRONG!!!!! You can’t site anything saying otherwise.

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          1. hicusdicus May 8, 2015

            Yes I can but not on a public forum. I have lived in Arkansas for many years and know people who knew them. By the way, why do you think she is so special?

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          2. BOC May 12, 2015

            Oh Poppycock! People like you don’t care anything about posting slander on a public forum, stop insulting our intelligence.

            No! You can’t sight a thing or you would have already.

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          3. hicusdicus May 12, 2015

            When it comes to those people I keep quiet. When it comes to you who cares.

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          4. BOC May 13, 2015

            The man upstairs, that’s who cares about me. He’s all that matters, to me.

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          5. hicusdicus May 13, 2015

            Then why would you want somebody running your country who does not believe in the man upstairs? Isn’t that a slap in the face to the guy sitting on the top step?

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          6. BOC May 14, 2015

            This statement is false, just like the false label of christians being conservatives. You can say you are this or that, but your actions speak louder than words. Having said this, its obvious that republicans are not christians which W. Bush demonstrated at the beginning of his second term in office when he was taken to task by the clergy and grass-root christian leadership. He dismissed them after they outed him and the party for using them to gain the POTUS seat.

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          7. hicusdicus May 14, 2015

            How is it false you said it. The only thing important to you is the big guy in the sky at the top of the stairs. Even you could not believe that your current president is a christian. I don’t care, I am not a christian. How did George shrubbery get into the conversation? Your comments are hearsay. You are flip flopping all over the place.

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      3. joe schmo May 5, 2015

        Go stuff yourself. Women are mostly WAYYYYY to bias. It takes a special type of woman like Thatcher was to run a country. If the only reason you want Hillary in is because she will be the FIRST woman president then you are ‘out to lunch.’ How superficial can you get! k There’s no resolve. God you Libs are soooo stupid. I rarely say it, but this time takes the cake of cakes.

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        1. BOC May 7, 2015

          Hillary is the Thatcher-like character you can expect and she has demonstrated. Carly can’t bring that dynamic to capitol hill. Heck, she can’t even make it to the hill after a number of attempts, so how can she be expected to run the show.

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    2. BOC May 7, 2015

      Looks that way any time you allow 20+ candidates into the fray it only represents disarray in ones political house. But this is establish fact isn’t it. I mean, the tea-party is rough around the edges and they’ve run-amok. They can’t put a leash on them.

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  7. Eleanore Whitaker May 4, 2015

    In the book, “American Dynasty” by Kevin Phillips, JEB’s closet full of skeletons are far more serious than his Mexicana patina. All 3 Bush brothers dumped bankruptcies on taxpayers. JEB was also a crony of two Miami thugs, one who ended up in prison. How about the only reason Adelson is putting millions into his “boy” like Don King, the boxing promoter put into his boys is the profit behind the Bush “product.”

    Dollar to a donut, 2016 is going to come down to Bush vs. Clinton. The GOP has never forgiven William Jefferson Clinton for stealing GWHW’s 2nd term. Time to even the score by proving the GOP can get rid of Hillary.

    Anyone who thinks the GOP little boys club of Rove, Prince, Reed and the Koch Kings wouldn’t love a 2016 GOP win against Hillary doesn’t know the GOP back room tactics very well. Everything is riding on JEB winning in 2016…To prove that, look at who benefits most: Billionaires like Adelson who gets his come uppance against his rivals the Koch boys, the red states and Big Oil, whom JEB will be first to support and let’s not forget he’ll be in a position to erase his brother Georgie’s entire history which at the moment is heading ever closer to a Bush/Cheney investigation into how Iraq superceded in importance, Saudis involved in 9/11.

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    1. hicusdicus May 4, 2015

      After what what Jeb said about illegal aliens you could not pay me to vote for that vote buying liberal in conservative clothes. The worst president this country has ever had is currently holding office.

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      1. Independent1 May 4, 2015

        “The worst president this country has ever had is currently holding office.”

        Only in the demented mind of an outright bigoted racist such as yourself!!!

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        1. idamag May 4, 2015

          If you can judge presidents by approval ratings, the convicted war criminal had the lowest approval rating ever given a president – 29 percent.

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          1. BOC May 7, 2015

            Would that be the cowboy with the presidential seal on the front of his boots? Google the family portrait in the oval office. What a clown.

            But I guess its consistent with him holding a reading book upside-down and pretending to read it to pre-school kids on 9/11.

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        2. hicusdicus May 6, 2015

          It just shows the lack of knowledge liberals have. Do you know any words besides demented, bigoted or racist. Its getting boring. But then again you are boring.

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          1. Independent1 May 7, 2015

            Why would I choose other words when those three describe your character exactly. Notice 3 NM posters agreed with me. You just refuse to believe that you fit all those adjectives – but you do!!

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          2. BOC May 7, 2015

            Denial is a part of what I posted earlier, “wounded-ego self”.

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          3. BOC May 7, 2015

            He’s got my undivided attention. I’m anything but boring.

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          4. BOC May 13, 2015

            The truth hurts.

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        3. BOC May 7, 2015

          I keep asking for facts and they just become evasive, at best. Now, you know how a brother feels. ‘RedNeck’ indeed, that’s exactly what he be……,Archie’.

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      2. BOC May 4, 2015

        Stop hating. The evaluation has already been published. 44, the number one leader in the free world according to Gallup Poll data.

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        1. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

          Stop hating what? You actually believe poll number nonsense? There is always a poll somewhere that will fit your beliefs.

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          1. Louis Allen May 6, 2015

            No, he can’t understand that.
            Remember that leftist/liberal/socialist/populist/”progressives”:
            a) can not understand simple concepts/facts;
            b) are easily swayed by leftist demagogues;
            c) since they can not understand simple facts, they hate facts.
            d) actually prove that Gruber was correct ….

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          2. BOC May 7, 2015

            Understanding simple concepts/facts ultimately bring about solutions to complex problems. This was something that W. Bush was afraid of, that’s why he could never delve into ACA like he had promised the American people in his second term. By President Obama taking it ‘head-on’ without flinching didn’t bode well for ‘W’.

            There were too many instances where the American electorate were ‘hoodwinked and bamboozled’ by the John McCain and Mitt Romney’s of the world. These were political leaders who sought support by appealing
            to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
            W. Bush and Dick ‘Halliburton/KBR’ Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, also carried these demagogic traits.

            Citations and facts are generally accompanied by transparency or vice-versa. Which is something conservatives always lack the former always missing and always requested, while the latter is always superseded by cover-up.

            Yeah! you think Charles Krauthammer is right also, he is not.

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          3. Louis Allen May 7, 2015

            1) Do you mean “transparency” like in “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”?,
            2) or do you mean “transparency” like in “I guess we are going to have to wait until we approve it to know what’s in it, won’t we?”,
            3) or do you mean “transparency” like in “The White House just found out about the accusations against the IRS through the press this morning.”,
            4) or do you mean “transparency” like in “The Benghazi attack was a result of an insulting video.”,
            5) or do you mean “transparency” like in “The incidents in Fort Hood were work-related.”,
            6) or do you mean “transparency” like “Since Congress won’t act I will take it upon myself to grant temporary amnesty.”,
            7) or do you mean “transparency” like in inviting the TRAITOR’S (Bergdahl) parents to the White House and then exchanging him for FIVE, count them, FIVE KNOWN TERRORISTS.
            Which “transparency” do you mean, you dumbass half-wit BOC??!!

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          4. BOC May 13, 2015

            It’s real obvious when you run out of steam in your futile attempts to find credible arguments and positions.

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          5. BOC May 7, 2015

            Gallup is conservative. But they had to post the true poll numbers. Take a look. Oh! You already have.

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          6. BOC May 13, 2015

            My beliefs did not influence what is truth. I never authored any survey and I never frantically search for this truth, it was published for all who was interested, to read. You’re not interested.

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        2. paulyz May 5, 2015

          Obama is rated the 5th. Best President. The 1st. best was Washington, 2nd. best was Reagan, 41 Presidents tied for 3rd. best, Carter was 4th. best, and Obama was 5th. best.

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          1. BOC May 7, 2015

            Citations please. Otherwise you better look at the latest current event, gallup.

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          2. BOC May 13, 2015

            Depends on what you’re referencing,. You never said, but I did on a number of occasions.

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      3. ralphkr May 5, 2015

        The ten worst presidents this country has ever had according to polls of educated people who study politics and history include (starting with the worst) Buchanan, Pierce, Van Buren, Harrison, Nixon, G.W.BUSH, Hoover, Harding, Garfield, Fillmore. Obama is currently rated some what above mid-pack and far above the worst. Oh, that’s right, you are a modern conservative, hicusdicus, which means that you join the Taliban in your fear and loathing of education.

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        1. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

          Polls of educated people who study politics.. That sure leaves you out. You sure have convoluted and weird thinking patterns.

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          1. ralphkr May 5, 2015

            Thank you for the reassurance, hicusdicus. I would be really worried if someone such as yourself who has lost all connection with reality and exists in the fictional alternate conservative universe agreed with what I think & say.

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          2. hicusdicus May 6, 2015

            What you say does not matter. It just reaffirms your convoluted and weird thinking process. You are probably a nice guy but just a little bit stupid.

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          3. BOC May 7, 2015

            You weren’t expecting some kind of explanation or solutions were you? I mean you’re talking to the wrong DNA.

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          4. Louis Allen May 6, 2015

            Wow.
            You sure set this moooron straight.
            Then again, that’s so easy.

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          5. BOC May 7, 2015

            Should have known he had company.

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          6. Louis Allen May 7, 2015

            Hey BOC,
            When the Morons Club want (more) company, …. they call you.
            You write so much bull****. And thern again, what can we expect from a half-wit?

            Tsk, tsk, tsk…

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          7. BOC May 13, 2015

            This is the indicator that you have nothing intelligent or constructive to say. You’d rather embarrass yourself using juvenile tirades.

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          8. Louis Allen May 13, 2015

            And you’d rather embarrass yourself using your pea-sized brain.

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          9. BOC May 14, 2015

            With nothing to constructively say, why are you posting here.

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          10. Louis Allen May 14, 2015

            BOC, you pea-sized brain:
            I will answer your question:
            1) Because to you liberal/leftist retards, saying something “constructive” means confirming what Gruber said about you “stupid voters”.
            2) Why? To confront you with your utter, unadulterated stupidity;
            3) Why? To pester you with the truth;
            4) Why? Just to make your blood boil.
            LOL !!!

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          11. BOC May 14, 2015

            Gruber has eaten ‘crow’ before, e.g. Obamacare. So the economist can’t claim flawlessness and we certainly know you can’t. Because you are always challenged and ‘lost for words’.

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          12. Louis Allen May 14, 2015

            BOC, FYI Gruber did not “eat crow” about Obamacare. He really played the role he claimed he had played, …. what Nancy The Witch later said notwithstanding.
            As for me being “lost for words”, whatever you mean by that, I can “run rings” around nincompoops like you any time.

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          13. BOC May 14, 2015

            I see why you are on an island by yourself. You have problems identifying and relating to people. You’re also a poor example of a ‘pit-bull’.

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          14. Louis Allen May 14, 2015

            BOC:
            You are funny, my friend, a half-wit, …. but funny still.
            Oh brother.

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          15. BOC May 7, 2015

            How so, when all he referenced were facts? Thinking Patterns?

            What are you a Neuroscientist?

            You seem to always champion toxic thinking. Do you think this approach really aids your protective strategy that unnecessarily activates the “wounded-ego self” instead of a “conscious self?”

            Or, should he prefer your, distorted thinking patterns that work against a healthy outlook on life?

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        2. BOC May 7, 2015

          Ooch! But true.

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      4. BOC May 7, 2015

        No! No! No! It was his brother 43.
        There is too much documentation backing this up.

        By the Way:
        Stop lying on 44. He has too much documentation backing him up as one of the most effective POTUS of our time. He also is recognized outside of his Presidential and political duties having been designated a Nobel Laureate.

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    2. BOC May 4, 2015

      Once again, Money will be unable to buy this contest in 2016, check recent history.

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    3. joe schmo May 5, 2015

      Don’t worry Eleanora. If the Conservatives can help it, he won’t get in….. We don’t like him much either. He is too RINO for us. Besides we are sick of the dynasties……

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    4. hicusdicus May 6, 2015

      If it boils down to Bush or Clinton I am staying home. Bush could run the gov. better than Hilary but his ideas on immigration are dangerous. All this illegal immigration is more dangerous to this country than people realize.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker May 7, 2015

        The reality is that no matter what anyone says to the contrary, politics today is a sell out. Look at the realities of what campaigns have become…take as much money out of state and federal revenues to hand to big businesses who then take that money and put it into the candidates who work hardest for big business…

        Anyone who doesn’t see this game of National Pay to Play is a fool. In reality, campaigns are today’s biggest corporate business transaction. Campaigns are the business of politicians and wealthy corporate CEOS. There is relatively no difference in the deals made in board rooms and those made in campaign headquarters.

        This is how utterly disgusting the US elections have become. Even my idiot governor Christie refuses to veto mass conflict of interest with Wall Street fund managers he chooses to manage the public workers pensions and the fees they are charging. Christie claims it’s disadvantage to allows transparency of those fund managers fees…Of course, the fact that his wife worked for the biggest and most successful fund manager, isn’t conflict of interest to him. The fact that his brother, Todd, works for Ernst & Young, one of the Big 4 Fund management firms…not conflict of interest right?

        This is the very same thing McConnell does and half a dozens others who use our federal tax revenues to fund their campaigns by simply making sure procurements and government contracts go to their cronies. Not Pay to Play? yeah…right.

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        1. BOC May 7, 2015

          Political contamination has tarnished this system of ‘checks and balances’.

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      2. BOC May 7, 2015

        Was immigration dangerous when they were climbing off the boats at Ellis Island? Hypocrites are a trip.

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  8. Wayne Thorson May 4, 2015

    Why would anyone with common sense vote for someone that was the brother of the worst president this country has ever had. No other presidential administration ever hurt this country as much as George W. Bush. I can’t believe that a 911 hasn’t happened to Crawford, Texas. I know I wouldn’t want to live in or around that town.

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    1. Louis Allen May 4, 2015

      Wayne:
      You have this wrong: Jeb is NOT Obama’s brother.

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      1. highpckts May 4, 2015

        I bet you thought you were funny!! Horse’s A..!!

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        1. Louis Allen May 6, 2015

          Hi, high!
          I wasn’t “trying” to be funny. I have this ability of being BOTH truthful (look it up!) and funny in the same sentence.
          P.S. – Don’t call anybody a “horse’s a**” until you change that stupid pic of yours ….
          LOL !!!

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        2. BOC May 7, 2015

          He was more than funny, he was serious. What’s taking you so long to come-to-terms with it?

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        3. Louis Allen May 13, 2015

          Not trying to be funny, you arseh***! Just setting the record straight. But now that you mention it, yes, my sense of humor is waaaay above any of you intolerant slobs.

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      2. BOC May 4, 2015

        Ah! Louie:

        Never-ever commingle good stock with bad stock, never do this.

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      3. Wayne Thorson May 4, 2015

        Are you serious. After reading my comment and that’s the best you can do? You must be mentally challenged. Try again.

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    2. Leftout May 4, 2015

      Up till now. Hopefully he will leave room for new comers,

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      1. Wayne Thorson May 4, 2015

        Who cares.

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        1. joe schmo May 5, 2015

          You should. A one-trick pony just won’t make the circus car.

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          1. Wayne Thorson May 5, 2015

            Maybe he should talk to tricky Dicky to learn some more tricks.

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    3. BOC May 4, 2015

      Ooch!

      Don’t forget about those hanging chads and Florida governorship as additional baggage he has to carry.

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      1. Wayne Thorson May 4, 2015

        Gotcha. Thanks for reminding me.

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  9. Whatmeworry May 4, 2015

    The good news for Jeb is that the Dem’s won’t be able to field a candidate that can win. Hillary’s baggage already place her as an also ran. Barney Sanders is a loon and X governor from Maryland is a tax and spend lib

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    1. BOC May 4, 2015

      If you believe this drivel you just posted then you should be worried, very worried.

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      1. Whatmeworry May 4, 2015

        I believe in Xenu, and if your don’t you should be worried

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        1. BOC May 13, 2015

          I’m not, Scientologist. Worried, not in the least as long as know that the Lord Jesus Christ is within me.

          Psalm 105: (KJV)

          15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

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    2. Michael Ross May 4, 2015

      Wishful thinking from another tea-bagger who couldn’t sell his soul to the G.O.P. because he’d already exchanged it for beef jerky and beer.

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      1. Whatmeworry May 7, 2015

        as opposed to the dope and quiche crowd??

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        1. I use dope and quiche crowd??

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      2. Dan (whatmeworry/mandinka/nofedjob) is one of those fat greasy weasels who sweats all the time, and hides behind false patriotism trolling himself as a republican. Did you know coward Dan dodged the draft in the late 60s early 70s by staying in college, then became disgruntled because the federal govt wouldn’t hire him after grad school? Poor dan ended up selling Fords off the lot, and was frustrated because the union workers were making much more $$$$$$$ and benefits. Why not, they were the ones doing the work, and unlike dan, many were military veterans.

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      3. BOC May 13, 2015

        LOL!!!!

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    3. Eleanore Whitaker May 5, 2015

      Take the Tea bags out of your butt. Hillary will win for no other reason than that women in the US are fed up with the male supremacy act. Time for a real change…a woman in No. 1 position of authority…oooooh and how that must be causing males supremacists like you to suffer fatal cases of hemorrhoids.

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      1. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

        Between you and Hilary you are going to turn all men into bags of raisins.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker May 5, 2015

          No…what women want are men who don’t always think or make decisions based solely on THEIR gender.

          There actually are men who know how to think without gender bias. Those who don’t are going to be left behind in an age of masculinity that is obsolete.

          You don’t have to “think like a man.” You DO have to think like a person to be the most effective.

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          1. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            A woman has been taking care of me for the last 38 years and doing a fine job of it. She is now old and slowing down. I need a younger replacement, one that can mow the lawn with a push mower I don’t want to waste money on gasoline.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker May 5, 2015

            Actually, the word “cougar” describes women smart enough to dump guys who after 12 years of marriage are “classics” and after that? Antiques. And the hunt continues for the most fun guy a woman’s hard earned income can buy.

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          3. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

            Sounds like my kind of woman. My woman thinks I am so great she has been looking after me for 38 years. Her reasoning is the public will not have to put up with me and she does not want me to starve to death. She painted the bathroom door yellow so I could find it. Ain’t she great?

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          4. awakenaustin May 5, 2015

            Does your momma know you lie like this?

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          5. hicusdicus May 6, 2015

            My mommy taught me to lie to women cause they love it so much.

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          6. Louis Allen May 6, 2015

            hicus, you son of a gun!
            Neither my ex-wife Lenore, nor a nincompoop like awakenaustin are any kind of match for your perceptions, acuity and WIT.
            And your very subtle and nuanced humor completely ELUDES them.
            No match for you ….

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          7. hicusdicus May 6, 2015

            EW is a lot of fun along with plenty of material for a comedy central skit.

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      2. Whatmeworry May 6, 2015

        Hillary is nearly as ugly as my wife and her sister. Where do you stand in the ranks??

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      3. Whatmeworry May 7, 2015

        If that’s the case then women fail into the same voter base as the colored in this country. Ignorant and incompetent

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        1. If that’s the case then dan ketter fail into the same voter base as the white trash in this country. Ignorant and incompetent

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          1. i2grok May 8, 2015

            Do we (I am a liberal) really need to sink to the level of many of these conservative commenters and become name callers? We know what they are by their words and deeds, so no further comment is necessary.

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker May 8, 2015

            Yes..Unfortunately, they are addicts of violence, ignorance and militancy. You fight back or they sit there preening like peacocks that they forced all of us into silence while they are the ONLY voices heard. Sorry…I give as GOOD as I GET.

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          3. Whatmeworry May 10, 2015

            another lib looser

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        2. i2grok May 8, 2015

          Ask you wife about your comment!

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          1. Whatmeworry May 10, 2015

            she would never be that ignorant

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          2. she thinks i’m fat and ignorant

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          3. Yes I am that ignorant.

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          4. Staci Kittern Disbrow May 11, 2015

            I’ve seen your picture. You’re fatter than me fool, and I’m a fat girl!

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          5. she thinks i’m that ignorant

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        3. Eleanore Whitaker May 8, 2015

          I take it you told this to your mother? If not, shall I do it for you motor mouth? It figures that a mentally ill son would be raised by an ignorant and incompetent mother. What else produces such bad results from such ignorant, incompetent parenting? Or, can we blame your nasty bull attitude on Big Daddy ruling with his iron hand over your pathetically financially dependent Mommy who could put pantyhose on without begging Daddy’s permission?

          You are such a low class moron. Slime balls have more class than you.

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          1. Dan was dropped by a stork and raised by a family of simpletons. Conscientious Objector Danno should quit impersonating himself as a retired air force colonel on one of his facebook profiles (We know you do that danno). He’s no veteran, never served squat, but dodged the VW draft by staying in college.

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          2. Whatmeworry May 10, 2015

            She was a real woman unlike the libs who think with their vagina

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          3. Dan Ketter thinks with his penis, very short thoughts

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          4. Whatmeworry May 11, 2015

            I’ve never been with a real woman they think im fat and disgusting

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          5. Paul Bass May 12, 2015

            And real men don’t disagree with them…

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          6. idamag May 13, 2015

            Ive never said WMW is fat.

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          7. Eleanore Whitaker May 11, 2015

            Au contrairie…McMommy thought one whole hell of a lot with HER vagina….Unfortunately, she brought forth an animal greedy pig like you.

            Mommy spread those legs to create you pallie…Don’t EVER try to tell any other woman what you men can never hope to know…Let me guess your Mother was the Blessed Virgin and you were conceived through an immaculate conception?

            Sorry..I’m sure Mommy and Big Daddy spent quite a bit of time trying to conceive a stupid dipshit like you. She spread ’em and he gave her what SHE asked for..Hate that don’t you?

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          8. Staci Kittern Disbrow May 11, 2015

            Daddys rubber must have sprung a leak when when that fool was conceived!

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          9. Eleanore Whitaker May 11, 2015

            I so agree. By now, we can assume WMW is roiling in anger and sputtering.

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          10. BOC May 13, 2015

            In other words, you really have nothing to say. So, you just display you’re I.Q.

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          11. Whatmeworry May 14, 2015

            No just that Hilary is a farce and hasn’t the gravitas to be pres

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          12. Whatmeworry May 15, 2015

            No just that Hilary is no farce and has the gravitas to be pres

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          13. BOC May 18, 2015

            I don’t think she has a challenger. At least that’s the way it looks from a GOP prospective. Conservatives will vote their personal interest first and foremost. As long as ACA is in full-effect the GOP/TP is doomed.

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          14. Whatmeworry May 18, 2015

            Its doing is going great gums. With 25% who now have insurance can’t afford treatment

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          15. Whatmeworry May 19, 2015

            ACA doing is gooing great guns. With 100% who now have insurance everyone can afford treatment

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          16. Whatmeworry May 19, 2015

            Its ACA doing is going great guns. With 25% who now have insurance no one can’t afford treatment

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          17. Whatmeworry May 15, 2015

            Yeah i’m an idiot and know nuttin

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          18. Of course he is a low life. Isn’t he a handsome feller? A real ladies man, just keeping the ladies back with his walking can. If he keeps getting fatter, he’ll be in a walker soon.

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          19. BOC May 12, 2015

            Could he be suffering from, low-self esteem? That’s the post patterns I’ve been reading on this thread.

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          20. idamag May 13, 2015

            He has good reason to have low self esteem. If I was that unlearned, I would have low self esteem, too. However, if I don’t know about something, I keep my mouth shut when talking to those that do.

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        4. BOC May 12, 2015

          I’ll put my credentials up against yours any day of the week.

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          1. Whatmeworry May 14, 2015

            Sounds like another quota recipient

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          2. Whatmeworry May 15, 2015

            Sounds like I’m an idiot

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          3. Whatmeworry May 16, 2015

            Dan Ketter sounds like another quota recipient

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          4. Whatmeworry May 15, 2015

            Sounds like another merited recipient

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          5. Whatmeworry May 16, 2015

            I bet you never earned what I earned as a desk clerk

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          6. BOC May 18, 2015

            No. You’re down in the second tier wage structure.

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      4. Dan the lady killer is impotent, wears loose dentures, and walks funny because he is obese, but his butt is as big as a house. He could hide alot of tea bags up that kazooooooo.

        Bwwaaaaaa!

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      5. BOC May 12, 2015

        Bad Girl, you.

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      6. Paul Bass May 12, 2015

        Ha Ha!
        Let’s hope only GOP/TP can suffer “fatal” cases of hemorrhoids…

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    4. i2grok May 8, 2015

      lol

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    5. BOC May 12, 2015

      For Republicans, the strong likelihood that their presidential nominee will face a Democrat named Clinton is not a happy prospect—especially when that Democratic candidate could make history as America’s first female president. Which must be why they have been at work for many months already, seeking every possible means to denigrate, demean, and discredit Hillary Rodham Clinton

      When journalists warn that Hillary Clinton is “polarizing,” a favorite media cliché, what they mean is that we can expect a steady, increasingly vituperative barrage of insults, gossip, and sensational headlines directed toward her, with or without substance. The Republican opposition research specialists are experimenting daily to discover which topics and
      themes resonate most powerfully against Clinton, one of the best-known and most
      durably popular political figures in the country. -Joe Conason and Gene Lyons-

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      1. idamag May 13, 2015

        He can’t even spell Bernie Sanders and anyone who is not a t-partier, he is going to say bad things about.

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  10. Michael Ross May 4, 2015

    Jeb’s only hope for becoming President, plain and simple, rests on his capacity to commit widespread voter fraud. He screwed up the election in Florida and gave it to his brother, and will be counting on Republican governors in blue states to screw over liberal districts so a Bush can con his way into the White House again.

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    1. joe schmo May 5, 2015

      Not if Republicans can help it!

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker May 5, 2015

        Repubicans can’t help themselves get off the booze and womanizing…you can’t really think they can help another dumbass Bush get elected.

        JEB better start “splainin” about his collusion with Camilo Padrera who pleaded guilty to defrauding the Dept. of Housing and Urban Dev. of millions of dollars during the 1980s and his “relationship” with one Miguel Recarey who defrauded Medicare through overcharging, false invoicing and embezzlement, as onetime head of International Medical Centers in Florida. JEB also better answer for his and his brother Neil bankrupting the Miami Federal (Neil’s 2nd) to the tune of over $2 million.

        3 Bushes…3 Bankruptcies…So..now we know how you Republicans “help it” don’t we?

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        1. hicusdicus May 5, 2015

          You really should be more careful about what you say about the Bushes after all you are a bush.

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          1. Paul Bass May 12, 2015

            Is that all you’ve got, misogyny?

            So, no comeback, no choice words, you just hate women, or only non-compliant liberal women?

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          2. hicusdicus May 13, 2015

            I used to have misogyny But I took a course of antibiotics and it went away.

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          3. Paul Bass May 13, 2015

            OK, so what, you are saying you are stupid?

            Or are you trying to be sarcastic, but not quite there?

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          4. hicusdicus May 13, 2015

            What word do you use for women who hate men? Dykosogyny. Sorry I did not realize you were so boring. I will leave you and Idamag to hold hands and watch the sun set.

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          5. Paul Bass May 14, 2015

            Misandry is the hatred of men.

            Your word, from it’s Latin roots, would more likely be ascribed to hatred of certain types of female lesbians. Though it doesn’t appear to be an actual word.

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          6. Louis Allen May 15, 2015

            hicus, you son of a gun!
            I laughed so hard at your word (dyk-osogyny) for women who hate men: Lenore, my EX-wife, idamag, BOC, “Paulie Bass”, et. (bad) al. !!
            Your intelligence, wit, imagination and “street smarts” can never and will never be matched by these complete nincompoops.
            “Paulie” even found “Latin roots” to the word dyk-osogyny !!! LOL !!!

            I am still laughing out loud at these complete leftist/liberal/socialist/”progressive”/populist idiots!!

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          7. hicusdicus May 15, 2015

            Okay, where do you want me to send your gift card? It will include a housing allowance, an EBT card, a cell phone with a direct line to Obama. Also free medical care in Mexico and a bus pass to get there. The one string attached is you have to take Bass with you and I don’t mean fish.

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          8. Louis Allen May 15, 2015

            Sounded tempting (even with the Obama cell phone) until you put in place the “Paulie” condition.
            Nah, I think I’ll pass on that one.
            Keep the good humor going, my friend. This sterile site, full of easily “offended” liberal idiots, surely needs your fresh approach.
            Still laughing ….

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          9. hicusdicus May 16, 2015

            I think both parties suck and there is not much difference between them. They want power and money and will do whatever to get it. They will tell us idiots what ever it is we want to hear. What they tell us has nothing to do with what they are actually doing. I have doubled my vitamin intake with the hopes of living long enough to see their decisions come crashing down around their ears. What a sight to behold, for me it will be heaven on earth. It would be like watching an orgy at the Viagra factory.

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          10. dpaano June 11, 2015

            Unfortunately, what you don’t seem to realize (or know) is that the “cell phone” BS actually started with Reagan. He signed a bill giving reduced rates to the poor so they could have phones. Boy, you guys will believe anything the GOP tells you, and you don’t even bother to research the BS that you keep spouting!!!

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          11. idamag May 13, 2015

            His reply sounded sociopathic. He isn’t exactly a Rhoades scholar. Probably come from so far back in the boonies, he didn’t finish high school and if he did he was not on the honor roll..

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          12. dpaano June 11, 2015

            Boy, when you can’t come up with an intelligent response, you revert to prurient BS. Give me a break!

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          13. hicusdicus June 11, 2015

            I will come up with an intelligent remark when you come up with one. I don’t think I need to worry.

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          14. dpaano June 12, 2015

            Gee, I thought I did, but I guess it was a little over your head! Again, you’re the one that needs to rethink “intelligent” since your last remark was certain not in that vein.

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        2. joe schmo May 5, 2015

          Eleanora, get off it. Most Conservatives have no desire to go there. We WILL have a different candidate. There are SO many. The more the merrier. The < the Liberals can crucify them. There are simply too many. Focus on Hillary? We can do that. After all, she is so 'squeaky clean.' LOL First woman president, so superficial.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker May 7, 2015

            The reality is you know everything about Hillary except her hairdresser’s name and I’m sure the most vindictive people out there will attach some dirty little load of cow manure to that too.

            The point is that Hillary, at present is the ONLY woman who is so thoroughly vetted and crucified by the GOP that few other women are willing to go through hell and high water the GOP will put them through. Too many remember what the GOP did to Geraldine Ferrara. The GOP even cannibalized the one woman, Wendy Davis, who could have ranked high in the 2016 election. Warren hasn’t the patience to tolerate the evil little boys she knows would make her waste more of her time defending her good name. I agree…what educated woman wants to waste their time constantly deflecting the likes of Trey Gowdy, Issa, Inhofe, McConnell, Cornyn or the rest of the GOP frat boys?

            Women know precisely why the GOP men are cannibalizing women…they so fear a woman in the top position of authority. Now really, how grossly insecure is that? Other countries of the world have had female leaders…but not the US…Hillary Clinton, through the Clinton Foundation, has helped women around the world to become more educated through Clinton Foundation Founding to which ALL members of the Clinton family donate their speaking fees. Ask any woman in Asian and African countries who Hillary Clinton is and they know more than the GOP boys ever will about her philanthropy.

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          2. BOC May 12, 2015

            Yes, the republican field of candidates are so vast. It’s a reflection of the disarray within the GOP party. Please note: They claim to have so many candidates. But they are hard-pressed, when it comes to identifying a grade ‘A’ candidate.

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          3. idamag May 13, 2015

            Actually, the schmuck is a son of nazis and considers them above communists and a Democratic form of government.

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        3. hicusdicus May 7, 2015

          Speaking of dumb-ass bushes, how are you and Hilary doing? If you had your way the whole country would be run by the shrubbery people.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker May 7, 2015

            Awww…Did McWifie refuse you this morning? Poor lil Thing…You have 2 balls and a bat…with that you can do what? Women have one and only one thing and they do more with it than any man can…we bring men like you into the world…and with what we have between our legs? We can and have taken down those male empires.

            As for Bushes…3 Bushes …3 Bankruptcies…JEB will go down in flames. This time around, the Hillary Empire strikes back…and down you go.

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          2. BOC May 12, 2015

            Now! Now! Now! Eleanore, that was real ‘COLD.’

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          3. idamag May 13, 2015

            Jeb = savings and loan scandal. gerogie boy is a convicted war criminal. Preston fought Social Security from the beginning and his grandson took up the fight and almost won.

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          4. BOC May 12, 2015

            Hillary is strong as ever and this has the republicans ‘tossing and turning’ in their sleep. They just don’t have a legitimate weapon or answer on how to bring Hillary Clinton down, after more than a decade, and millions of dollars trying to do just that.

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        4. BOC May 12, 2015

          WOW!!!!!!

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        5. idamag May 13, 2015

          Well, they overlooked convicted war criminals, but it titillates them to focus on Clinton’s altar ego.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker May 13, 2015

            Ida, You and I are women who have earned the right to speak our minds. When we were younger, we may have been willing to give men like the GOP the benefit of the doubt. But, what these guys today don’t get is that when we earned the right after decades of keeping silent or simply ignoring male egos on steroids, we figure with what time we have left, we will not give in to their ideas that they can pull one over on us. This is why we want Hillary for 2016.

            Women over the age of 50 have seen and heard men do it all. That experience is where our wisdom comes from. These bullheaded males figure they can just wear us down and then they’ll get their way. It was women our age who took it to the streets and refused to be cowed. We refused to agree to what we knew was unfair, biased and corrupt. Now, we finally and for once have them by their testicles and we plan to lead them around in the bull ring with the skill of a toreador. They are just too “ignernt” to realize it.

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          2. dpaano June 11, 2015

            You go girl!!!! This from another woman over 50 who agrees with you! To hell with the white males who seemingly support the conservative policies….we know better!!! Time to speak our minds!

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      2. BOC May 12, 2015

        Which republican? You have 6 out of a possible thirteen, so far, officially running. I’m sure this will have to be sorted out first, before the base can be effective or have a say in what course they prefer, wouldn’t you think? Or, will there be more ‘helter-skelter’? Quite possibly, the latter.

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    2. BOC May 12, 2015

      I just don’t see that ‘dog hunting again,’ Koch or no Koch brother’s.

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  11. Bren Frowick May 4, 2015

    Terri Schiavo. Those words alone are enough to destroy Jeb in the general election, should he successfully eject the bizarre collection of loons sharing the Clown Car with him this cycle, and win the GOP nomination for Sacrificial Lamb.

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    1. idamag May 4, 2015

      Don’t forget purging 30,000 franchised voters from the voting rolls.

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      1. Paul Bass May 12, 2015

        Yea, but those voters were mostly poor and minorities, so they wouldn’t have voted for him…

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        1. idamag May 13, 2015

          You noticed that.

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  12. joe schmo May 5, 2015

    Reason #6. The Conservatives just don’t like him because he is too Liberal…..

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    1. BOC May 14, 2015

      Too Liberal about what?

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  13. S.J. Jolly May 5, 2015

    We need to recognize that, as in the days of the Roman Empire, there are millions of permanently unemployed citizen-workers. Sure, there are millions of slave jobs, but citizens won’t touch them. Unless absolutely forced.

    How to keep mobs of bored and starving publican-citizens from sacking the mansions, chariots, and litters of the patricians? The Roman solution was a Citizens’ Dole. IOW, bread and circuses. We have TV and various forms of Welfare. For conservatives who hate paying taxes for such, have you priced 7/24 armed private security? — the good ones, willing to stand and fight for your property and persons.
    Proposed solution: Let in foreign workers, tax them and their employers, and use the money to fund US citizens in public art projects, environmental cleanups, and other socially useful activities.

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    1. Leftout May 5, 2015

      Excellent, creative thinking! They can support our non-sustaining entitlements. Of course if we tax them toooo much we may lose,their services…..I read that in an economics book somewhere. Yes why should we citizens not tax the illegals ….Beautiful.

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      1. DezzNutz May 11, 2015

        From your reply, I highly doubt you have EVER read ANY Economics book ever.

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        1. Leftout May 11, 2015

          The remark was a jest on economics gurus, who do not have a principles that is workable. I asked one ” if inflation is soooo bad, then we should try deflation….oh no …that is not good either. So status quo is the way and raises are based only on productivity. Teachers can only get raise if they take on more students, truckers more miles equal more pay. Assuming All prices remain the same for all services. But prices go up due to wage requests/requirements? and prices rise accordingly geometrically for services , baseball games,till we can not afford theses products.

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          1. BOC May 12, 2015

            “Teachers can only get raise if they take on more students?” This is not true at all. This has nothing to do with how wages are structured.

            ” ……accordingly geometrically?”
            What????

            PLEASE, STOP TALKING!

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          2. Leftout May 12, 2015

            Teachers salaries are structured to years of service and additionally by union wage negotiations, hardly any merit increases as such, No? Most teachers start at the same salary unless you are a sports coach in addition to your teaching duties. Geometrically , prices always seem to outstrip the raise one gets, Since we have to cover taxes. If you are an experienced Teacher and ask for more , they may hire a lessor , rookie , lower salary, unless you Are a unique subject matter expert. I was describing a status quo situation, where they is no inflation, therefore no salary adjustments.

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          3. BOC May 13, 2015

            Teachers salaries are structured to years of service and additionally by union wage negotiations, hardly any merit increases as such, would be correct. Coupled with the level of education degrees, with the giving teachers , what they call ” Master’s Maximum” pay scale range. Ed, Phd more depending on the titled position or job skill-set/responsibility.

            “I was describing a status quo situation, where they is no inflation, therefore no salary adjustments?”

            I see.

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        2. idamag May 13, 2015

          Obviously not a reader, period.

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    2. paulyz May 6, 2015

      We certainly do not need ore foreign workers when 75% of high tech Americans are unemployed. You would think that Liberals would oppose allowing businesses to hire foreign STEM workers for lower salaries than the many Americans that could be performing these jobs. We would also receive more in tax revenue from higher paid American workers.

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      1. BOC May 12, 2015

        It pretty much doesn’t matter what country you’re talking about—the United States is facing this crisis, as is Japan, the United Kingdom, Australia, China,Brazil, South Africa, Singapore, India…the list goes on. In many of these countries, the predicted shortfall of STEM (short for science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) workers is supposed to number in the hundreds of thousands or even the millions. A 2012 report by President Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, for instance, stated that over the next decade, 1 million additional STEM graduates will be needed.

        In the U.K., the Royal Academy of Engineering reported last year that the nation will have to graduate 100 000 STEM majors every year until 2020 just to stay even with demand.Germany, meanwhile, is said to have a shortage of about 210 000 workers in what’s known there as the MINT disciplines—mathematics, computer science, natural sciences, and technology.

        As you can read, this situation is very dismal and it has nothing to do with being on the republican or democratic side of the equation.

        http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

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  14. Leslie Todd May 5, 2015

    Bill Clinton’s policy’s didn’t hurt the masses but both Bush Presidents Policy’s did ….
    Its just that simple .
    Why go there again ?

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    1. Leftout May 5, 2015

      Bill Clinton, could have compromised U.S. security by his probing desires of women, as in the case of General Petraeus….a breach of security was inferred and Petraeus paid the price. But in Bills case he had no sense of wrong doing, in his head. Only in his head did he have senses.

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      1. BOC May 12, 2015

        That’s because ‘Slick Willie’ was an imposing figure and charismatic according to many women who have met him up close and personal. My wife being one of those who has had the opportunity, says there is something about him that captures ………… I think you know where I’m going, and it’s not in the gutter.

        As for Petraeus, he lacks these awe inspiring and ‘casanova’ qualities. So, he substituted for his shortcoming with something he swore to protect and that didn’t belong to him. For that, he paid the price.

        In ghetto speak: William Jefferson Clinton had a, what the brothers call, ‘a players card’ and Petraeus didn’t.

        Look! Everybody (men) don’t have a players card, they are hard to get. You have to earn one through reputation with the opposite sex. Henry Kissinger has one, so do I, but it’s forever in ‘escrow.’

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      2. kpallante June 21, 2015

        It has well established that the $55 million witch hunt over the BeeJay that Clinton had received revealed and meant nothing. Not to mention the hypocritical GOP pols that have been convicted of far worse sexual crimes (see Dennis Hastert).

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        1. Leftout June 21, 2015

          The SS and FBI were more discrete during eisenhower , Kennedy etc Now decorum has disappeared and almost no security exists anyway. Bill Clinton has lowered the bar of decency expected and it is shameful for the desensitizing the values good moral behavior and contractual agreements .We all must do better.

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    2. BOC May 12, 2015

      Because, they have nothing else. You don’t see M.L. Boehner throwing his hat in the contest. Why do you think the reasons are? Because he knows by giving the tea party a voice in 2009 in exchange for the house leadership role, they owned him and he is forever, at their ‘beck and call.’ This is what happens when you sell your soul to the devil for a dime, now the GOP is forever tainted.

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    3. BOC May 14, 2015

      Some people are just, sadistic.

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  15. charleo1 May 5, 2015

    What a hopeless mess of a Presidential effort by the GOP. And already the smell of fear, and desperation is palpable. And not the good kind of fear either. The kind they love to whip up about Obama, or terrorists coming in with Mexican immigrants, and spreading ebola. But the fear of losing an election, they are prepared to spend 2 billion on, 18 months before the polls open. With the base already turning up their noses at the only candidate with prayer of winning the big one, Jeb Bush. The prospect of Ben Carson, Carly Florin and Mike Huckabee, joining an already crowded field with yet more less than acceptable entrants still waiting to make their grand entrances. Candidates Santorum, Christy, and most likely Jindal, will only add hours to the debates, and more doom to the gloom.

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  16. DezzNutz May 11, 2015

    Lost 2 Wars….stopped reading at that point. I dont read hyper-partisan lies

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    1. BOC May 12, 2015

      The truth really hurts. I wouldn’t read any farther either, if I couldn’t take it.

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  17. John Baker January 6, 2016

    Anyone who might have ever believed Jeb was the “front-runner” was delusional.

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