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IMAGE: (L-R) U.S. President Donald J. Trump, Vice President Mike Pence, and U.S. House Speaker Paul Ryan greet one another on stage during the 2017 “Congress of Tomorrow” Joint Republican Issues Conference in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S. January 26, 2017.  REUTERS/Mark Makela

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  1. Independent1 March 10, 2017

    Just more evidence that Republicans neither know nor care about governing with any degree of sanity or reality. When Republicans are in power, it’s never about the money; it’s always just about doing whatever party leaders think will generate the most taxpayer stolen money they can achieve for themselves and their politically devious donors via direct subsidies to or more unfair tax treatment of the already wealthy.

    Whatever legislation Republicans pass, it is always about favoring the already wealthy, which in turn virtually always favors themselves. as virtually all our legislators are in the upper 20% of income earners and many in the upper 1%.

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    1. Dominick Vila March 10, 2017

      …and protecting their political careers.

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      1. dpaano March 14, 2017

        Many of which might be lost if they don’t do their jobs and fight this health care bill! It’s not good for the general population and only helps the wealthy! People are now watching their representatives very closely and they may find themselves out of jobs come 2018 if they don’t stop this bill! If we’re really lucky, we may get rid of Ryan and McConnell too!

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  2. Lynda Groom March 10, 2017

    But of course. We all understand that deficits and debt only matter when they grow during a Democratic administration. As Chaney once said ‘reagan proved deficits don’t matter.’ Let freedumb ring, damm the torpedoes and full speed ahead.

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  3. bobnstuff March 10, 2017

    If you look at who is fighting against the bill you see even some of the people getting the most out if it are not supporting it. It must be pretty bad when you can’t even buy support for you bill.

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    1. dpaano March 14, 2017

      There’s even quite a few moderate Republicans, especially those whose seats are up for re-election in 2018, who are seeing the problems they will create if they side with Ryan and this plan! Even in California, those that originally voted for Issa are backing away from him and are now looking at a couple of really GOOD Democrats who are going to run against him in 2018. If nothing else, this has shown many Republicans that their party is NOT on their side! We may see more Democrats in 2018 than ever before, and many of them will be voting! I already have a couple of friends who have gone and re-registered as Democrats in anticipation of the midterm elections!

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  4. Dominick Vila March 10, 2017

    Cost, deficit spending, and increases in the national debt only matter when a Democrat is in office. The fact that a Democrat managed to produce the only budget surplus in half a century, and that another Democrat managed to reduce deficits by 2/3, does not mean anything to the so called fiscal “conservatives”, whose form of conservatism means handing out as much wealth as possible to those who already own most of the national wealth.
    In this case, the most sickening part of what is happening is that the spending increases flow upwards, in the form of tax credits to the wealthy and a financial bonanza to the insurance industry, at the expense of those who cannot afford health insurance premiums, and who will not benefit from the tax credits the GOP is proposing.

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    1. dbtheonly March 10, 2017

      Dom,

      Remember the image is the goal.

      They’re repealing “ObamaCare”. That’s the image. That’s all that matters.

      Where Marshall McLuhan had the”Medium is the Message”; I’m looking to hang “The Image is the (X)” on Trump. But nothing’s coming. Any suggestions?

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      1. Dominick Vila March 10, 2017

        Narcissus is God. Nothing has ever been written that depicts Trump’s character.

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        1. dbtheonly March 10, 2017

          Good, but too Trump focused. This really applies to all Republicans.

          The Image is the Reality?

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          1. Dominick Vila March 11, 2017

            The GOP successes in the last few elections were, indeed, influenced by perceptions. There is not a shred of reality or truth behind most of the claims they make.

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      2. itsfun March 12, 2017

        If they repeal and don’t replace, their image will be destroyed for years and years.

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        1. dbtheonly March 12, 2017

          Well, something we agree on.

          The devil is, of course, in the details.

          I’ll suggest that 6 years of, “Repealed on day one!”, is coming back to haunt. Unrealistic expectations mixed with inadequate preparation of said replacement; is leading to the confusion we see today.

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    2. Dapper Dan March 10, 2017

      Republicans are now the party of fiscal irresponsibility and wouldn’t know how to balance a checkbook. All they care about is more and more tax cuts for the rich who don’t need them. They just want to dump not only on the poor but the middle class that used to be the backbone of this country. Trump is just escalating their idiocy by making cuts everywhere from the IRS to the EPA and even the Coast Guard. It’s sheer insanity and the adults that brought this country back from the brink after George W. get kicked to the curb thanks to voter suppression, gerrymandering and of course the outdated Electoral College ????

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      1. Independent1 March 10, 2017

        And actual hacking of vote counting computers by GOP fanatics.

        Can We Count on the Election Results? Exit Poll Discrepancies and Voter Suppression Are Serious Issues
        http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/can-we-count-election-results-exit-poll-discrepancies-and-voter-suppression-are

        Hacking voting machines: Easier than ever imagined
        https://www.rt.com/usa/voting-machine-election-hack-088/

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        1. InformedVoter March 11, 2017

          I see your still selling the lies of the election being hacked. Don’t you realize how stupid that makes you look!
          If anyone got more votes than were actually cast for them it was HIlLIARy. In Detroit, Michigan alone, HilLIARy received thousands more votes than there were registered voters.
          President Trump was correct, it you eliminate the millions of illegal votes counted for HiLIARy, he won the popular vote too.

          http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/report-substantial-evidence-over-million-illegal-aliens-voted-2016

          And your links about how easy it is to hack voting machines are laughable. For $10/machine … and how do you get those parts into the machines? and do you have any idea how many machines there are? You’re a bigger joke than even I thought.

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      2. Dominick Vila March 11, 2017

        …and the naivete of millions of voters incapable of seeing what is in front of their noses.

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      3. dpaano March 14, 2017

        If the Electoral College had done their job correctly per the Constitution, we wouldn’t be dealing with an uninformed idiot running our government, along with this alt right cronies whose only goal is to take down this country’s democracy! The truly sad part is that even 45 doesn’t realize the damage that he’s doing because he’s listening to the wrong people….he’s just a puppet leader! If he only realized that, he might make some changes, but it’s doubtful that he’ll EVER realize it as long as they keep telling him how great he’s doing!

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    3. dpaano March 14, 2017

      I wonder what all the wealthy will do once they have ALL the money in the world…..after all, you can only spend so much in a lifetime, right?

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      1. Dominick Vila March 14, 2017

        …and they want more than they already have.

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        1. dpaano March 15, 2017

          What are they going to do with it if they kill off everyone because of their stupid health care plan? Should be interesting!

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  5. jakenhyde March 10, 2017

    I guess the repulicons will have to ..ahem…..pass the bill to find out what’s in it. ;o)

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    1. itsfun March 12, 2017

      That was the Democratic strategy to pass Obamacare.

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      1. jakenhyde March 12, 2017

        Wow. Aren’t you the brightest light on the marquee! That was exactly my point. That’s why I used the pause before “ahem” AND the wink. I was simply mocking the republicans for doing the very thing that they so loudly complained about Pelosi.

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        1. itsfun March 12, 2017

          Thank You: Too bad you missed my point.

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          1. jakenhyde March 12, 2017

            I guess we missed each other’s point. I apologize if I offended you.

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        2. dbtheonly March 12, 2017

          IOKIYR would be funny if it weren’t so deadly serious.

          Jon Stewart made a career of mocking it.

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  6. Thoughtopsy March 10, 2017

    Ahhh….. the epic stench of hypocrisy
    How….. expected.

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  7. Thomas Martin March 11, 2017

    There are no principles or morals behind conservatism, just extreme capitalism, their religion, guns and war. The middle class and poor do not exist to them, yet we pay taxes to benefit the wealthy who do not pay their fair share. Prove otherwise from their political actions and desires.

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  8. latebloomingrandma March 11, 2017

    And they say the Democrats rammed the ACA down our throats. This is a true hatchet job and Paul Ryan was positively orgasmic while trying to explain it. Someone needs to douse him with cold water quickly.

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    1. itsfun March 12, 2017

      Are you saying the Democrats didn’t ram the ACA down our throats? Health care needs to be either fixed or replaced. I don’t care which it is, or what it is called. We can buy products from Mexico, China, etc., but we can’t buy insurance products from another state. If you live in New York, you can’t buy insurance from a Maine. That is one thing that needs to be fixed. Mandated coverages should be fixed. Why should a man be forced to pay for maternity care? Men don’t normally have babies. Why should women be forced to pay for ED care? That is forcing people to spend their hard earned money on coverages they can never use. People in their 20’s don’t need the same kind of coverage as those in their 70’s. Why not allowed employees in small companies to band together to get large group rates? We do need affordable health care available for every citizen, it also has to make sense.

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      1. dbtheonly March 12, 2017

        The whole point of insurance is that the costs for all are spread over the expenses to all. It’s the combining that makes the system work.

        As for by specially a man should pay for maternity care? He had a hand in the creation of the cause.

        A friend’s wife had a “jolly” time when her insurance forms seemed to treat her pregnancy as a drug addiction. They asked questions such as:

        Is this incident a result of voluntary action?
        Is this incident a result of actions frequently engaged in?
        Do you intend to engage in these actions in the future?

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        1. itsfun March 12, 2017

          If you charge man A and woman B for maternity insurance to cover the same baby, isn’t that double dipping? The same goes for the ED coverage. I was just using that as a example of mandating unnecessary mandated coverage.

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          1. dbtheonly March 12, 2017

            You’re assuming that A will only impregnate B and B will only be impregnated by A.

            insurance is purchased not because of what has happened, but what might happen. We buy it to cover potential losses.

            Your house isn’t burning. You shouldn’t buy fire insurance? Your car isn’t wrecked. You shouldn’t buy auto insurance? There’s no basic difference with health insurance.

            Seriously, there are any number of basic texts which explain the basics of insurance. We don’t even have to get into the actuarial tables.

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          2. itsfun March 12, 2017

            Obamacare mandates that every man and women buy the same coverages. That means if man A knocks up B, C, and D, there still would be 4 people paying for 3 babies. If we use fire or auto insurance, with the Obamacare plan, then we wouldn’t have to purchase fire or auto insurance until after we had the fire or accident. The fire and auto insurance companies would be forced to insure those with existing fire and auto damage.

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          3. dbtheonly March 12, 2017

            You misunderstood ObamaCare. The whole point was to assure that everyone would be insured, not that one would wait until ill before seeking insurance.

            Equally ObamaCare wasn’t one-size-fits-all. There were at least three different levels of coverage, deductible, and cost. The plan was that multiple insurers would offer plans under those parameters. But sometimes the insurers decided against participating.

            “We do need affordable health care available for every citizen, it also has to make sense.”

            Agreed.

            What makes sense?

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          4. itsfun March 12, 2017

            I know Obamacare wasn’t intended for people to wait to get sick, but that happened in some cases. People could pay a small fine, to not have insurance, then pay the high dollar for insurance after they got sick. I have always thought it was designed to fail, so the government could completely take over health care for everyone. I think people should be able to purchase the coverage they want, not what the government forces them to buy. People should be allowed to cross state lines to buy insurance. We can buy products from China, but we can’t buy insurance from a neighboring state. Individuals should have access to groups, so they can qualify for group rates. Why not have a group that insures employees of small businesses? Policies that have a 6000 premium and a 6000 deductible are terrible.

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          5. dbtheonly March 12, 2017

            ” I think people should be able to purchase the coverage they want”

            If you’ll give minimal levels of insurance to assure the health needs of the Insured are met; then we’re in agreement. And we agree with ObamaCare as well. Those minima exist because there will be those trying to game the system and avoid paying as long as possible.

            I’ll cite you credit card regulations of the early 1980s as why we need Federal Regulations for coverage with State or local pricing. If you’re too young to remember, the short version is that states like DE & SD competed with regulations allowing the credit card companies ever higher interest rates and fees to attract the jobs to their States. Credit card interest approached 35% on some cards.

            Groups, groupings, are the subject for discussion and debate.

            “Policies that have a 6000 premium and a 6000 deductible are terrible.”

            I agree entirely. That’s why a central computer system where policies can be compared and contrasted is such a good idea. But wait! That’s a core part of ObamaCare.

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          6. itsfun March 12, 2017

            Just comparing rates in one market does no good. That is why I am for allowing people to go out of state to find the best rate. I don’t believe the government should be making my decision on what I believe is the minimum coverage I need. People make decisions every day on things like buying a house, car, what school I want to send my children to, etc. These people are raising our next generation of leaders, yet we treat them like they aren’t smart enough to make a decision as to what health care they want or need.

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          7. dbtheonly March 13, 2017

            You buy a car. Indeed. But have you considered the minimum requirements that car has? It has lights, windshield wipers, and brakes. No one is allowed to choose not to “have that coverage”. It is applicable to all. No one can “opt out” of these requirements.

            So also with schooling. Does one get to “opt out” of Science? Decide that English is not needed? No, again, there are minima applicable to all.

            So with Health Care. Premia and deductibles are a matter of choice, to be made within the parameters set by the insurance carriers. Get the extras or not, as you choose.

            I truly think you’d like the idea of ObamaCare, if I could just find a way to get you away from the labels. Please step away from the labels. Ignore what Fox said about it. Look at the goals, affordable, quality, Health care for all. Decide how you’d best get us there and only then look at what’s really in ObamaCare.

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          8. dpaano March 14, 2017

            Certainly NOT the current plan, especially when it is going to drop 20M people from having health insurance coverage and give MORE money to the rich, who really don’t need health insurance in the first place!

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          9. dbtheonly March 14, 2017

            No, but I was hoping he’d have some sort of plan. He seems to have the right goal in sight.

            Though I will disagree and say even the rich need health insurance. Modern medicine is simply too expensive for anyone to run the risk of catastrophic illness.

            I will engage the trolls when they’re playing nice and step away from the buzzwords. Who knows what might actually reach them?

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          10. dpaano March 14, 2017

            That’s WAAAAY beyond itsy’s comprehension level! Maybe when he suddenly realizes he no longer has affordable health care, he’ll see the light (but it’s doubtful)!

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          11. dbtheonly March 15, 2017

            But I can’t be arguing with dtgraham that it’s better to light one candle and then turn around and dump on its as long as I think he’s really looking for answers.

            The problem is, I think, that its misunderstands the basic rules governing insurance. It’s almost as if he thinks there’s a menu off of which one can select the losses to be insured against. I’m not savvy enough to explain in detail how that can’t work in health insurance.

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    2. dpaano March 14, 2017

      Someone needs to DROWNED him in cold water quickly!!! Dousing will NOT do the trick!

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  9. itsfun March 12, 2017

    Nancy approved Obamacare without knowing what was in it.

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