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Study: States With Stricter Gun Control Laws Have Fewer Gun-Related Deaths

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Study: States With Stricter Gun Control Laws Have Fewer Gun-Related Deaths

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In his speech after the Umpqua Community College shooting in Roseburg, Oregon, President Obama challenged the media to compare rates of death from terrorism and shootings — in order to properly gauge the impact of gun violence in America and our disproportionate response to it.

News organizations answered the charge, and then some – with maps, charts, and reams of data on rates of gun violence – both in the United States and comparing America with other developed countries. America is #1 in many things, including sadly, our homicide rate — specifically gun homicides.

National Journal back in August posted a chart comparing the states with the fewest gun-related deaths to those with the most, and illustrating how their policies correlate to the number of deaths. At the extreme ends: Hawaii, with only 2.5 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, has very strict regulations – residents must have a permit to own a gun, submit to a background check, wait 14 days before obtaining a handgun, and it is difficult for them to either get a concealed or an open-carry permit – compared to Alaska, with 19.8 deaths per 100,000 people, which has completely opposite policies on all those questions.

The two states are emblematic of those that fall between them on this chart; states with fewer gun-related deaths tend to make it difficult for residents to not only obtain a gun, but to carry them, while states with larger numbers of gun-related deaths make it easier.

The president told the White House press corps that claims from those opposed to gun control are “not borne out by the evidence.” And there has been no shortage of analysis on this subject. In fact, the shooting in Oregon gave many outlets an occasion to repurpose existing research on gun violence in America they had published in August after the WDBJ shooting or in June after Charleston — just with another update. Take for example Mother Jones, who, in a widely republished graph originally posted in 2013, after the Sandy Hook shooting, compared gun ownership by gun deaths for each state. Although not perfectly correlated, states with more guns tended to have more gun deaths. For even more gun statistics visualized, check out this array from Vox.

Photo: This is what kills people. (AP Photo/Robert Ray)
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  1. Whatmeworry October 7, 2015

    Why this is common sense. Nobody needs guns anymore except police and military, we are not in the wild west anymore

    1. JPHALL October 7, 2015

      Isn’t it strange that it is always self defense as a reason for everyone having guns. Yet when you look at the facts it is rarely someone defending themselves. Mostly it is someone else being killed, often by a stolen gun

      1. Whatmeworry October 7, 2015

        Good reasoning why gun ownership should be outlawed

      2. Independent1 October 8, 2015

        There were over 162,000 gun related homicides from 2000-2011 and during that time only around 1300 of those was determined to be justified for the reasons of self-defense by other than a police officer. That’s less than 1% of homicides are justifiable for the purpose of self-defense. A far cry from the lies of the NRA.

    2. Otto Greif October 7, 2015

      Why should the police have guns?

      1. Whatmeworry October 7, 2015

        To protect the taxpayers from maniacs who have guns

        1. FireBaron October 8, 2015

          Like Otto.

      2. Independent1 October 8, 2015

        Right now, because there are millions of guns running around in the people they’re supposed to be trying to protect.

        In England, where guns are banned, only selected police carry guns and only when there’s a particular reason for them to carry them.

        And that’s why the average number of gun deaths in England each year over the past 15 years has been less than 50 gun related deaths/yr. (Or about 300/yr adjusted for the difference in populations compared to America’s close 10,000/yr.)

  2. Otto Greif October 7, 2015

    Why should the Secret Service have guns? Obama can defend himself and his family using pepper spray or something.

  3. Otto Greif October 7, 2015

    Why should the guards at the Sidwell Friends School have guns?

  4. Otto Greif October 7, 2015

    Why should blacks have guns? They are far more likely to use a gun criminally than white people. I think we can all agree that blacks should not be allowed to own guns.

    1. Insinnergy October 7, 2015

      Otto Greif: The answer to some really really dumb question that no-one actually wanted to know.

    2. Dominick Vila October 8, 2015

      Why should the neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and mentally ill people who carry out most of the massacres in the USA be allowed to own or carry a gun? Black churches, Hindu Temples, schools, movie theaters, political rallies, and other such venues come to mind.

      1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

        Rational gun control would focus on the problem population.

  5. Otto Greif October 7, 2015

    States with fewer Obamasonz have fewer murders.

    1. Independent1 October 8, 2015

      You really need to grow up. And it would be especially nice if you did that elsewhere. Why not take your pathetic posts to the Yahoo News blog or something. Your posts are really become juvenile and obnoxious.

      1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

        That’s a fact, ask the FBI.

        1. Independent1 October 8, 2015

          It is not, it’s a flat out lie!! The states that voted for Obama have by far lower murder rates than the states that voted for Romney!!!!!!

          1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

            FBI, Table 43.

          2. Independent1 October 8, 2015

            Nothing could be dumber than looking at a raw number table, only a dumbcoff like you would do that.

            Here’s the numbers that mean something about gun violence:

            9 of the 10 states with the most gun related violence are
            GOP governedStates

            § States with most Gun related Violence per 100,000 – 2012:
            § Homicides/Assaults/Violent Crime

            -18 of the 20 states with the highest firearms mortality rates in 2012 are GOP-RUN STATES; with Louisiana leading the nation in firearms mortality followed by Wyoming, Alabama, Montana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Nevada, Tennessee, Alaska,
            New Mexico, Oklahoma, S. Carolina, W. Virginia, Missouri, Arizona, Kentucky, Georgia, Idaho, Florida and N. Carolina

          3. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

            If you could read you would see blacks commit more total homicides than whites.

          4. Independent1 October 9, 2015

            Yes, blacks commit more homicides than whites but by far mostly on other blacks. And since most homicides are committed by people who knew the victim in some way, most homicides are intra-racial.

            And if we take the rates and apply them to real numbers, whites end up killing far more blacks than blacks kill whites.

            See these stats from the Washington Post:

            The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report,
            a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.

            And then this:

            The black victimization rate (27.8 per 100,000) was six times higher than the white victimization rate (4.5 per 100,000).

            Okay, according to the above, out of 7,000 homicides, 6,000 would be blacks and 1,000 would be whites (blacks have a six times victimization rate).

            So if whites kill 7.6% of the 6,000 blacks that were murderd, then 456 blacks died at the hands of a white.

            Whlle if 14% of the white victimes (1,000 of them) was killed by a black, only 140 whites died at the hand of a black.

            In other words, over 3 times as many blacks were killed by whites as whites were killed by blacks.


          5. Otto Greif October 9, 2015

            Blacks are the attackers in 85% of violent crimes involving blacks and whites. According to the FBI, in 2013 “whites” (which includes Hispanics) murdered 189 blacks, blacks murdered 409 whites. You suck at math. You also suck at reading, the article you link to has a chart showing blacks murder whites more than whites murder blacks.

          6. Independent1 October 9, 2015

            Better go back to the article SONNY BOY!! That article is about crimes IN NEW YORK CITY!! Those numbers you quoted are crimes committed over a period of years in NYC.

            What I’m doing is using the FBI’s NATIONAL NUMBERS!!!

          7. Otto Greif October 9, 2015

            I cited national numbers, and the chart you failed to read correctly is national numbers.

          8. Independent1 October 9, 2015

            That’s BS!! If the numbers you quoted were even close to right, then the percent of crimes black on white and the victimization relationships also quoted in the article would be totally out of whack. Sorry not buying that BS!!!!!!!

          9. Otto Greif October 9, 2015

            FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 6.

          10. Otto Greif October 9, 2015

            Also the chart in the article. Look at it.

          11. Otto Greif October 9, 2015

            How does the fact that most black homicide victims are also black make it OK? It’s like you believe black lives don’t matter.

          12. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

            I see you still haven’t looked up the ecological fallacy.

    2. Independent1 October 8, 2015

      Here’s an article from ThinkProgress you would do well to read. It exposes 5 NRA lies:

      5 Indefensible Tweets From The NRA Since The Oregon Gun Massacre


      1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

        It’s true there is no gun show loophole, I didn’t read past that lie.

        1. Independent1 October 8, 2015

          More of your flat out lies!!!!

    3. yabbed October 8, 2015

      That post is offensive and racist.

      1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

        That’s a fact. You’re offended by reality.

      2. David October 8, 2015

        And true!!

    4. Independent1 October 8, 2015

      That’s a flat out lie. The murder rate in states that voted for Obama is far lower than for the states that voted for Romney. And not only is that true for the murder rate, it’s also true for the fatality rate of people dying in auto accidents – where more than 90% of the red states have auto fatality rates higher than in any blue state.

      1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

        No, it’s a fact that fewer blacks means less murders, because blacks murder at much a higher rate than other races.

        1. Independent1 October 8, 2015

          And the proportion of blacks within a state has nothing to do with anything. The diot southern states set themselves up with higher percentages of blacks on purpose by going to Africa and bringing in slaves. so if today, the murder rates in the southern states are higher THAT’S BECAUSE THEY MADE IT THAT WAY!!! STOP TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE IDIOTS IN THE SOUTH!!!!!!!!

          1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

            More blacks means more murders. Stop denying reality.

          2. Independent1 October 8, 2015

            That may be true. But the vast majority of murders that blacks commit are murders racists like yourself couldn’t care less about – they’re black on black murders. That’s about 65% of the murders blacks commit.

            While Whites murder whites more than blacks do, even though they also murder a lot of blacks.

          3. Otto Greif October 9, 2015

            It is true. Whites don’t murder a lot of blacks.

      2. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

        It’s retarded to believe which candidate states vote for effects those states murder rates. This is way above your head, but It is likely a state’s murder rate effects how people in that state vote.

        1. Independent1 October 8, 2015

          Nobody even inferred that people vote for one party or another because of a murder rate. Virtually no American even knows what the murder rate in their state is.

          BUT FACT IS, that people who vote Republican, are voting for a higher murder rate. And why, because Republicans have caved into the NRA’s blatant lies about guns and insist on providing virtually no gun controls in their states. AND FACT ALSO IS, THAT THE STATES WITH THE MOST GUN CONTROLS, HAVE THE LOWEST MURDER RATES. SO SINCE DEMOCRATS BELIEVE IN GUN CONTROLS, IT’S DEMOCRAT RUN STATES THAT HAVE THE LOWEST MURDER RATES.


          1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

            Whites living near black criminals vote Republican, whites living around other whites vote for Bernie Sanders.

          2. Independent1 October 8, 2015

            Wow!! You never stop being a racist do you?? You really need clinical help!! Better get some help soon before you’re outright racism shows in the wrong place.

          3. Otto Greif October 9, 2015

            Observing voting patterns isn’t racist.

      3. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

        56% of people in New York City don’t even own a car, you think they aren’t dying in auto accidents as much as people in areas where everyone drives a lot because people in New York City vote for Democrats.

        1. Independent1 October 8, 2015

          Fact is that more than 90% of Democrat led blue states, have auto accident rates per 100,000 population lower than the national average, while more than 90% of GOP governed red states have just the reverse – at least 24 of 27 of the states in 2013 that had auto accident rates per 100,000 population over the national average of 10.3/100,000 were GOP GOVERNED STATES!!

          When are you going to wake up to the fact that 90% of blue states have populations greater than 90% of red states and therefore trying to compare the states by absolute numbers of anything IS TOTALLY MORONIC!!! STOP USING RAW NUMBERS DUMBCOFF!!!!!!!!

          look at these horrible red state auto accident rates per 100,000 where a couple states actually have TRIPLE THE RATE OF VIRTUALLY ALL THE BLUE STATES:

          State/Fatalities per 100,000 population – 2013
          ——-NATIONAL AVERAGE 10.3

          1. Otto Greif October 8, 2015

            You should get help for your mental problems.

          2. Independent1 October 8, 2015

            What?? Are you now denying statistics? In reality, every state in the above list except for Delaware, had either a Republican governor or legislature OR BOTH for several years preceding 2013. 26 out of 27. How can you deny WHAT’S STARING YOU IN THE FACE??????

          3. Independent1 October 8, 2015

            Are you trying to imply that when more than 90% of the states a political party governs clearly shows a problem like high auto fatalities, that it’s just coincidence?? Or has nothing to do with their failed governance???

  6. Dominick Vila October 8, 2015

    The findings of this study do not surprise me. However, I think we need a lot more than legislation to reduce the incidence of gun violence in the USA. Relevant medical information, especially psychiatric, pharmaceutical, and criminal information, should be readily available to law enforcement, before and after gun permits are issued. The need and logic of concealed weapons permits must be reviewed and reduced. The need for semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines, regardless of whether or not they are military grade, needs to be debated and addressed effectively. Last, but not least, we must educate the public, at a national level, on the dangers of a society that is fully armed, that makes lethal weapons available to immature teenagers and mentally disturbed people, and that make it possible for criminal elements to buy a gun as easily as getting an ice cream. Trying to legislate a society more inclined on increasing their personal arsenals, and that favor carrying guns to schools, grocery stores, and places of worship, just in case the boogeyman shows up, is not going to do the trick. It will help, but it will not reduce the incidence of gun violence in the USA significantly.

    1. FireBaron October 8, 2015

      But, Dominick, that study flies in the face of all the propaganda that the NRA has been peddling for years! Could it be that Wayne LaPierre and company have not been telling us the truth? Oh, the horrors! Oh, the humanity!
      One other thing, and it has been one I have been pounding on for years – we need mandatory reporting from mental health professionals regarding individuals they are treating for various things like psychosis, schizophrenia, etc. These individuals are the ones who are most likely to commit mass attacks with firearms. The majority of the perpetrators of these latest attacks all have a history of mental illness and psychiatric treatment, but none of their conditions were ever reported. Therefore, they were not flagged on any list, and could lie about their illnesses (federal perjury charges, anyone?) and treatments, and be able to pass what is jokingly referred to as a background check for firearms purchasing.

      1. Dominick Vila October 8, 2015

        Wayne LaPierre will use whichever tool is available in his nefarious arsenal to protect the sales and profits of the arms industry. I would not be surprised if the consequences of his agenda does not deprive him of a good night sleep.

      2. David October 8, 2015

        You are complaining about the current effect of the HIPPAA law.. The NRA had nothing to do with its passage. We need to analyze the effect that these psychotropic drugs are having which is resulting in these type of horrific events.

    2. DEFENDER88 October 8, 2015

      Something to keep in mind when you go to ban semi-auto guns.
      The honest gun owners will be unarmed while the criminals will “still” have their semi-autos.
      Except the honest owners you kill or imprison who will not give theirs up.
      Good luck with that.
      And they(the criminals) ALL use semi-autos if not full-autos.
      Imaginary threats? hmmm Are these mass killings imaginary?
      Are 2 million(est) home invasions a year imaginary?

      1. Dominick Vila October 8, 2015

        Contrary to what the NRA is trying to portray, the USA is not yet a country where leaving our houses without an arsenal means getting murdered or mugged. Most of our communities are peaceful, and most American are neither criminals, rapists, bullies, or bigots.
        Like I said, legislation alone is not going to solve this problem. It will help. If nothing else, it will allows us to think that we care and that we are trying to address an issue that should not exist in a civilized society.
        Making it impossible for criminals to get their hands on lethal weapons, in a country with a gun culture where the mere suggestion of common sense laws are tantamount to sacrilege, is almost impossible. That is why I am convinced gun violence will continue, and may escalate in years to come, if the NRA manages to convince our leaders that the solution to this problem is for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to carry a gun, be fast at the draw, and shoot straight. Who needs John Wayne with Wayne LaPierre around.

  7. Eleanore Whitaker October 8, 2015

    NJ may have a bad reputation for many things. Gun murders is not one of them. NJ has strict gun laws. No one walks around like they do in southern and midwestern states armed like Rambo. The few incidents of gun shooting occur as a result of crimes of passion, gang warfare or kids getting hold of Daddy’s guns. NJ has had racial profiling laws in place since Whitman was governor and the State Troopers were hauled into court for it.

    The gun problem is a mentality problem. When you live in a state as congested as NJ, NY or other northeastern states, you know that guns on every man, woman and child is an open invitation to a blood bath running rampant in public streets and places.

    So..look at the gun problem for what it really is: a mentality problem. Men and women who are so neurotically insecure in their own neighborhoods have more problems than just owning guns. Their real problem is an inability to trust anyone in the society and environments in which they live.

    That idea that militia men will protect their tender little shoots and Dixiebelles from big bad gunslingers is part of that mentality problem.

    1. David October 8, 2015

      Eleanore!!! You leave me laughing so much!! Your statements of “fact are again false. You should be aware that New Joisey ranks 10th in percentage of homicides committed by a gun. Gunstats.org Your claim that “strict gun laws” make a positive difference is also erroneous. In fact, a recent study found “Zero correlation between State homicide rates and State gun laws. Wash. Post, Oct. 6, 2015.
      When you mention “gang warfare”, isn’t that something endemic to Chicago, St. Louis, Philadelphia, Detroit and New York? Not a lot of gang warfare in Oklahoma City or Austin.
      Did you forget to take your meds again today?

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 9, 2015

        David the imbecile laughing hyena finds a Pro-gun poll and uses that as his proof about NJ? Okay Clown Boy…Now many massacres using a gun occurred in NJ in the last 6 years?

        A real dipshit Texan who loves to play phony cowboy. Maybe those saddle sores on your butt are affecting your brain.

        The Homicide rate in your state is No. 1….start with the assassination of JFK and work your way to Charles Whitman, Typical bull cowboy of Dallas picking your fellow Texans off the street like they were roaches. Strap on your gun gun boy…just stay the hell out of MY state. I live in a neighborhood for 48 years and unlike you grossly insecure Texans who shoot first at strange face at your doors, we do not, have not and will not need guns. Ours is a safe, peaceful neighborhood where the only deaths that occur are the mosquitos in summers. Get a life you loser. Go play with your guns. Shove them as far up that super fat butt as you can.

        1. David October 9, 2015

          Eleanore!!! I have authority for my assertions of fact — you don’t. I don’t know how many “massacres using a gun” occurred in New Joisey in the last 6 years. Initially, I would need to define ‘massacre’ in order to answer it. Actually, New Joisey has a higher homicide rate than Texas.
          Charles Whitman did his shooting in Austin — not Dallas. And, by the way, Whitman was born and raised in Florida.
          There you go again, talking about my butt. Does it fascinate you that men are physically different than women?
          Eleanore, what are we going to deal with the lack of accuracy and the vituperative tone of your posts? People might even think you know something about this subject. When clearly, you haven’t a clue. Have a blessed day!

          1. Eleanore Whitaker October 10, 2015

            Oh really Texas moron? Is this going to be the one like Bush said, wher he got a “message from God?”

            NJ does not have a higher homicide rate than Texas and you know it. But, from a shitkicker’s mouth to God’s ears and back again right? Wrong.

            Don’t use biased BS Texas garbage for proof. Yours is the state that was just exposed by a minority in Texas for using school books that called plantation slaves paid workers. Let me guess, your dumbass kids believe those slaves were paid to live in shacks on plantations that made your Mutton Chops GrandPappy rich?

            You are a loser. Texas is the most loathed, despised and hated state in the union for its blowhard braggarts like Louie the Loose Brain Gohmert, Pretty Boy Rick Hands in our pockets Perry and oh let’s not forget that useless Pride of Big Oil BS artist Cornyn. Course now, Texas most infamous “gift” that just keeps on giving more and more mindless austerity has to be your former Governor that swaggering, drawling dipshit Bush.

            Please..don’t compare Texas to NJ. NJ is No. 3 in Solar Energy, No. 1 in high tech industries and has 2 colleges and universities in the top 10 worldwide. And where is Texas in education? Teaching children lies and distortions of history you Texans loathe to admit.

            Men in NJ don’t need to brag. We don’t need guys like you who spent our youths boozing and now think you can ram religion down our throats while you suck up our tax dollars for oil spill clean up and oil spill fines up the wazoo.

            If you cannot post truth and fact you can prove in a court of law…and not a phony TX court, stop posting. No one wants to see another post from a TX blowhard.

          2. David October 10, 2015

            Eleanore!!! In fact, New Joisey ranks 22nd and Texas is 23rd in homicide rate. FBI Uniform Crime Rate 2013 deathpenaltyinfo.com
            How does it feel to be proven wrong again and again?

          3. Eleanore Whitaker October 11, 2015

            A real scumbucket like you loves to blowhard and brag about Texas? Here is a link from Wikipedia: The murder rates and gun murder rates were calculated based on the FBI reports and the official population of each state for 2010: Texas ranking in 2010 was 5.0 gun deaths per 100,000 people. NJ? 4.1.

            Nice try on that BS you posted. It was posted originally by the TX Law Center. Gee…more bias from a man who proposes to be such a religious man? You do realize that posting BS lies is a no no?

            smartgunlaws.org/texas-state-law-su…The link from which you posted a lie.

          4. David October 11, 2015

            Eleanore!!!! Did you forget to take your meds today? Your figures are from 2010. Mine are from 2013. Darn…you are wrong again! And what about Newark ranking as No. 3 city with most homicides? Don’t see Dallas or Houston up there. Doesn’t it make you feel good to have a real man correct you – time after time?

          5. Eleanore Whitaker October 12, 2015

            You show exactly why most women loathe men from Texas. You think your bowel movements are so superior don’t you? Let me assure you they are not.

            Newark is not No. 3. I gave you the links and now like all BS artists from Texas the capital of the US for liars, crooks and polluters, you think all you have to do is deny facts?

            Is there a punching bag with your facial image on it? It would get lots of exercise. Wake up cowboy…You are a lifetime loser which, without my tax dollars, your pathetic state would go under in a heartbeat. Get off the Big Oil Tax subsidies. We don’t want your oil, your pollution, your spills, your spill fines or your blowhard, braggart BS.

          6. David October 12, 2015

            Eleanore!!!! Oh no!!!! You are wrong again. Please refer to neighborhoodscout.com for the listing of the 30 cities with the highest homicides. Guess what? Newark is only #10 on the list, but Camden is #2. You people in New Joisey like to kill each other. Must be that cold weather! By the way, the tax dollars sent to Texas largely go to support the illegal aliens that Obomo has let come in. How about that murder rate in New Joisey!

          7. Eleanore Whitaker October 12, 2015

            You really need to lay off the Jack Daniels. Your boozing is affecting your brain. You posted Newark is No. 3…not I. But, a guy from a oil drenched, oil smelly place like Texas would be expected to have brain damage..just not from booze.

            I don’t need a gun and none of my neighbors do. Why? Because unlike jerks in Texas, we don’t go around sticking our noses into each other’s business and then hauling out the Rambo scripts. Do swagger and drawl to someone who cares. You are a loser and your Big Oil Industry is about to crumble and you know it.

          8. David October 12, 2015

            Eleanore!!! I like my Jack Daniels. Especially with a big cigar! Hmmm…New Joisey has two cities in the top ten in homicides. You don’t need a gun? Then maybe you ought to throw your self on the mercy of the gangs running your large cities. Of course, as a spinster, you probably don’t get out all that much anymore. Have a blessed day!

          9. Eleanore Whitaker October 13, 2015

            Well well well… a boozer lush who admits it? That certainly does explain your need to “get religion.”

            NJ isn’t Texas. We don’t men strutting, swaggering and drawling just to play a role of cowboy. Why exactly do you phonies find it necessary to play act? Is there some reason you cannot just be yourself? Of is that too un-Texan?

            As for your boozing, you are obviously not alone in your state. Men and women in Texas can’t make it through the day without getting a good drunk on.

            But then, you want credibility? How? When you are staggering in a boozy stupor most of the day?

          10. David October 13, 2015

            Eleanore!!! No comment on your crime ridden cities? Boozer lush? Well, sober enough to know that you are an angry spinster. Have a blessed day.

          11. Eleanore Whitaker October 14, 2015

            When you make 90 days of total sobriety Boozer Boy, then we can intelligently discuss crime. You’re a liar, a crook and a drunk.

          12. David October 14, 2015

            Eleanore!!! Such nastiness!!! A “liar”? What have I told you that wasn’t true? Haven’t I had to correct your errors time and time again? A “crook”? What have I done that was illegal? A “drunk”? What do you know of my drinking habits?
            Are you starting to fantasize again about my genitalua? Please take your meds and be calm. Didn’t you enjoy Hildebeast getting beaten last night?

          13. Eleanore Whitaker October 14, 2015

            For a Texan man, you really think I’d fall for that blowhard BS you are slinging like long horn flops? You Texas men live off MY tax dollars, expect us to clean your befrigged oil spills and then help YOU pay for spill fines? You and your snakes in Texas allowed Halliburton to get out of paying one dime toward the BP spill. But this is the skanko American industry you want to just keep going to bilk the rest of us?

            I loathe Big Oil. I loathe the GOP cowboys all pushing Texification on the rest of the country.

            Get this and get it straight. No ONE on Wall Street swaggers or drawls, wears chaps, spats, cowboy hats or boots and is armed. Gee…funny isn’t it? You’d think that a place where money runs like Niagara would have murders every day…Nope..only in your befrigged state.

          14. David October 14, 2015

            Eleanor!!! New Joisey has a higher homicide rate than Texas. How does that make you feel? Also, Wall Street is in Nee York. What does that have to do with New Joisey? Don’t you love federal tax dollars going to help the illegal aliens that Obomo has let in?

  8. yabbed October 8, 2015

    We need federal gun control laws. Chicago and NY have strong gun control laws but surrounding states are avenues to weak gun controls and that allows for the flow of guns to cross into places with strong gun controls. There’s no legitimate reason for any civilian to have a handgun or any semi automatic assault weapon. The 2nd amendment can be covered with restriction of gun ownership to bolt action single fire rifles and shotguns. Both are sufficient for hunting and home protection. That would avoid the concealment of handguns going into public places like theaters and malls and the rapid fire of semi automatic weapons which facilitate the mass public slaughters. Expression of road rage using a bolt action rifle would be considerably hindered, wouldn’t it?

    1. DEFENDER88 October 8, 2015

      So restrict honest people to single shot bolt guns. While the criminals all have semi-autos.

      You call that logical, safer?

      1. yabbed October 14, 2015

        Do you spend your days living in fear of some Big Bad Guy kicking in your front door armed with a semi automatic assault weapon to slaughter you? You realize, don’t you, that Clockwork Orange was just a movie?

        1. David October 15, 2015

          Clockwork Orange took place in England. Alex and his droogs terrorized unarmed citizens.

          1. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

            Don’t turn the other cheek, huh? Don’t give to all who ask, or – if someone demands your coat, give them your shirt, too? You good “Christians” scorn most of your “savior’s” instructions, but of course you can find the most obscure passages in the most barbaric books and use them to attack people you hate.

    2. David October 8, 2015

      What koolaid are you drinking? The 2nd Amendment ain’t about duck hunting!

    3. Vern Davis October 15, 2015

      yabbed i think someone grabbed your brain because you sure don’t use it before running your mouth. We don’t need any Fed. control, this is what Obama is trying to do to America, and things are starting to look bad for us US citizens.

  9. whodatbob October 8, 2015

    Gun control sounds great! How do we change the Constitution (2nd Amendment) to accomplish this.

    1. David October 8, 2015

      Uhhh….reelect a Demorat to the Presidency?

      1. whodatbob October 8, 2015

        Glib, meaningless answer! If the passage of a Constitutional Amendment were that simple the 2nd amendment would have been changed or voided years ago.

        1. David October 8, 2015

          Glib? The Demorats want to change a lot of things in the Constitution that they don’t like.

          1. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

            As opposed to you, who want to jettison all the things in the document that prevent this from being a theocracy.

        2. Eleanore Whitaker October 9, 2015

          The isn’t a need to change or amend the 2nd Amendment. There is a need for jerks with guns to stop pretending they fall into the category of “militia.” That is what the 2nd Amendment is ALL about. The 2nd Amendment NEVER intended a bunch of fat gut men to call themselves a “militia” and then swagger and strut around with military weapons on public streets. The only places you see this are the Corn Pone and Mutton Chops Confederate states. They have plenty of money to spend on a $3,000 AK47 but then they need our tax dollars to keep them in welfare and corporate tax subsidies.

          1. whodatbob October 9, 2015

            LOL, thanks. Fat gut, Corn Pone, Mutton Chops men strutting around with a swagger would be a sight to behold.

            Your bigotry is again showing. If someone posted hateful slander about you as you do about southerners you would get the Federal Government after them.

          2. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

            The southerners deserve the term racist and far more. The fact that they are now trying to claim racism and slavery had nothing to do with the war shows them to be on the same moral and intellectual plane as the Holocaust deniers.
            And no, not every southerner is a bigot, so please don’t try to get holy about that with me.

          3. yabbed October 14, 2015

            We actually have a militia. It’s called the National Guard and every state has one.

          4. David October 15, 2015

            Wrong. The “militia” includes every able bodied male. This is what it meant in the late 1700’s and what it is set out as in current Federal Statutes.

          5. Vern Davis October 15, 2015

            Eleanore you are one dumb woman! Not sure if you are living in a mental institution or just stupid. You need to check where the most gun related crimes are committed, and you will find that most welfare money goes to northern states. And if you check most of the Confederate states had enough sense to not vote for Obama.

          6. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

            She’s obviously a LOT smarter than you could ever dream of being. And yes, most of the “Confederate states” didn’t vote for Obama because they are positively full of racist bigots like you.

      2. Eleanore Whitaker October 9, 2015

        The next GOP president has NOT been born. Your hot shot bully party is killing itself off.

        1. whodatbob October 9, 2015

          Sure hope you are correct!

      3. Vern Davis October 15, 2015

        Which would be alright if there was a Democrat that loved America and would treat all legal Americans the same, and he or she could read and understand the Constitution. But as you and I both know that person ain’t been born yet.

        1. David October 15, 2015

          So true!

          1. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

            Shame on you, too. Nice of you to proclaim an obvious pack of lies to be “so true.”

        2. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

          You’re a self-righteous moron who’s a bit short on honesty and the truth. Just who the hell appointed you judge and gave you the ability to see people’s inner thoughts. Maybe if YOU treated all legal Americans the same and weren’t a closet racist, your projection of your faults on the president wouldn’t sound so plausible to you.

          He was a professor of Constitutional law, not to mention the fact that he doubtless has 20 IQ points on you when he’s having an exceptionally bad day. You whole screed is transparently false and displays what would be astonishing ignorance and malice if you weren’t a Republican “conservative.”

    2. Vern Davis October 15, 2015

      You sound like a complete Nut! Yeh lets have gun control so the criminals can take control of America and rob us blind. The people that wrote the Constitution knew that Nuts like you would someday be born and want to turn America into a Socialist Nation. Chicago has strict gun control and look at the murder rate there. Once the Gov. gets rid of all the guns (which is impossible) then our lives will be controlled by the Gov. and you idiots ain’t going to like that.

      1. whodatbob October 15, 2015

        I am not nuts, well I do not think I am! Just is not worth my time to disagree with the gun control freaks. So rather than get in a discussion I state,”Gun control sounds great! How do we change the Constitution (2nd Amendment) to accomplish this?” They walk away happy, I smile.

        You and I know the Bill of Rights are untouchable. They can rant and rave all they want but nothing will be accomplished.

        If the anti gun freaks really want to reduce gun violence they should work on reducing the number of illegal guns on the streets.

        1. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

          Reducing illegal guns on the streets is impossible when millions are sold with minimal restriction; just where do you think most of the “illegal” guns come from: the gun fairy? Some one pointed out elsewhere that it’s less than an hour’s drive from Chicago to places where one can easily and legally buy all the guns one wants, but of course you’re smart enough to figure that out yourself, but choose not to.

          1. whodatbob October 21, 2015

            Most gun murders are drive-by murders, drug relater or gang related. Thugs committing these crimes do not carry legally obtained weapons. These are crimes committed with illegally obtained guns. Reducing the number of legally owned guns has no effect on murder by thugs.

            Chicago thugs do not carry legally. Less then one hour drive from place to purchase guns legally is BS when discussing illegal guns on Chicago streets.

          2. Sand_Cat October 21, 2015

            Guess it must be the gun fairy, then. Most appropriate, since you obviously believe in fairy tales.

          3. whodatbob October 21, 2015

            From other criminals, gang members, thugs they murdered, etc. Number of illegal guns circulating is unknown. Responsible, legal gun owners are not selling registered guns to criminals. If that gun were used in a crime the registered owner would be held responsible. Sand_Cat get the facts stop believing all the BS being fed to you by the gun grabbers. It is as bad as NRA BS.

          4. 13factfinder November 5, 2015

            My guess would be they buy them from the same peop they buy drugs, prostitutes, child porn, stolen property and the like; from illegal alien Mexicans……… and Donald Trump will put a stop to it.
            TRUMP/CRUZ 2016!

      2. Sand_Cat October 20, 2015

        What a moron you are! All your bluster is belied by the facts, and no lie you can tell will change that.

  10. Eleanore Whitaker October 9, 2015

    Article I, Sec. 8: The Congress shall have the power to provide for calling forth the Militia to executive the laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel invasions. Are these asshats in the south and midwest militia as this part of the US Constitution intended? You bet not…The rest of this Sec. 8: Congress shall have the power to provide for organizing, arming, disciplining The Militia….

    So let’s do that. Let’s demand Congress discipline all of these phonie pretending to be Militia.

    You know why it only men in the south and midwest playing Rambo on public streets…it’s to show offr their pathetic male prowess and intimidate others. And that isn’t mental illness?


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