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The Heroic IRS Whistleblower Who Deserves A Payout From Trump's Slush Fund

The Heroic IRS Whistleblower Who Deserves A Payout From Trump's Slush Fund

As Donald Trump establishes his $1.8 billion taxpayer-funded slush fund to reward the people who tried to overthrow the government on his behalf, it is worth taking a moment to honor Charles Littlejohn. He’s the person who made it all possible.

Most people are probably not familiar with the name. Littlejohn is the person who leaked Donald Trump’s tax returns, along with those of thousands of other rich people. Littlejohn had been working as a contractor with the I.R.S. In this capacity, he had the opportunity to see that many of the very rich paid little or no income tax. Unlike those of us who work for a living, billionaires like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Donald Trump often get away with paying almost, or sometimes literally, nothing.

This apparently bothered Littlejohn. He shared the tax returns of thousands of these people with major news outlets. That was a clear violation of the law. Tax returns are supposed to be confidential and not seen by anyone outside the I.R.S. Littlejohn’s leak broke this confidence.

But Littlejohn didn’t break the law for personal profit; he did it as a public service. He wanted people to know how the very richest among us can often avoid paying taxes.

In doing so, he also exposed some of the obvious tricks the rich use. The simplest is just borrowing to support their consumption, instead of selling stock and paying taxes.

This one is worth explaining since it is so simple and pernicious. Take a very rich person, like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos. Let’s say they spend $200 million a year on their boats, cars, travel, clothes, jewelry, and parties. Since both of these people own stock worth more than $200 billion, they could easily sell some and cover their expenses.

If they sold $250 million in stock, let’s say they would have capital gains of $200 million, which means, at the 20% capital gains tax rate, they would have to pay $40 million in taxes. But the billionaires don’t feel like paying taxes.

Instead, they can just borrow $200 million from a bank. Since their stock is worth 1000 times this much, banks are happy to lend. They don’t have to pay a penny in taxes on the money they borrow, nor on their stock, as long as they don’t sell it.

Borrowing against wealth to support consumption and avoid taxes is not exactly rocket science. The possibility probably occurred to anyone who thought about it for ten seconds. But most of us didn’t think the billionaires would be so greedy and pathetic as to actually take this route. Or at least we didn’t until Littlejohn leaked the tax returns. Now we know that nothing is too sleazy for the richest among us.

Littlejohn knew his leaks were illegal and presumably understood he faced prosecution if he was caught, just as many others who broke the law for a greater purpose, like civil rights protestors in the '50s and '60s, understood. He probably did not anticipate that he would get a judge who would sentence him to five years in prison.

This sentence is longer than people typically get for stealing hundreds of thousands, or even millions, from the government on their tax returns. It’s a longer sentence than many people get for committing manslaughter. Manslaughter means someone died because of a person’s actions. In this case, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Donald Trump were embarrassed.

We know Donald Trump’s “Justice Department weaponization” slush fund is a joke. But if he actually wants to compensate someone whose prosecution was politically motivated, he needs to look no further than the guy who leaked his tax return.

Since Trump is not going to use his fund to compensate someone who deserves it, we could do the next best thing. There could be a statue erected of Mr. Littlejohn on Pennsylvania Avenue, right across from Trump’s ballroom. That doesn’t compensate for five years in prison, but it would be at least a bit of justice.

Dean Baker is a senior economist at the Center for Economic and Policy Research and the author of the 2016 book Rigged: How Globalization and the Rules of the Modern Economy Were Structured to Make the Rich Richer. Please consider subscribing to his Substack.

Trump Built His Slush Fund 'Settlement' On A Lie -- And An Impeachable Offense

Trump Built His Slush Fund 'Settlement' On A Lie -- And An Impeachable Offense

Editor’s Note: The creation of a $1.8 billion fund for supposed victims of (nonexistent) weaponization of the Department of Justice in the last administration is the most grave dereliction of duty in Trump 2.0, save only the pardons of the January 6 offenders. Trump and Blanche are attempting to bypass the constitutional responsibilities of all three branches. At the same time, they are trying to force the American people to pay a wholly undeserved bounty to perpetrators of some of the most perfidious crimes against the nation in our history.

This is a two-part essay. Today’s part canvases the multiple legal violations and anomalies of the scheme to settle a bogus lawsuit in exchange for creation of the fund. Part Two will focus on the ultimate victims—the American people—as well as discuss what can be done going forward to try to blunt or nullify the outrageous swindle.

The most corrupt president in the nation’s history has managed to reach a new low.

Not in terms of sheer violence to the country: that dubious distinction remains with his repugnant pardon of the January 6th offenders. But for layer upon layer of corruption—abuse of every branch of government, the Constitution itself, and the American people—the bogus “settlement” and creation of a $1.776 billion fund for supposed victims of Biden’s weaponization is a new nadir.

Imagine that Trump had simply announced the creation of a $1.8 billion fund, drawn from general DOJ funds, to compensate Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and everyone else who claims they were victimized by Biden’s weaponization of the justice system.

The political uproar would have been immediate and thunderous. Trump’s allies in Congress would have buried their heads deep in the sand while Democrats went on the political warpath, promising, among other things, a thorough investigation and challenge if they regain the House, including a possible impeachment inquiry.

Yet what Trump and the administration—which is to say, Trump and Trump—in fact did was much worse: a raw violation of his constitutional duty to faithfully execute the laws, an abuse of every branch of government, and a sizable shakedown of the public’s money. All of it by subterfuge: using a sham lawsuit, a rigged settlement, and a voluntary dismissal timed to outrun a federal judge who was closing in on the scheme.

This scandal has layers, and each one is more rotten than the one beneath it. With the exception of the January 6th pardons themselves, it is the most glaring violation of the public trust in Trump 2.0—and that is a crowded field.

I have been writing about Trump’s IRS lawsuit since February—calling it what it is: a collusive non-lawsuit in which Trump controlled both sides. He sued the IRS and Treasury, agencies he runs with an iron fist, defended by a DOJ led by his own former personal criminal defense lawyer, Todd Blanche, who declared at his first press conference, “I love working for President Trump.”

As I explained in prior pieces, this fails the Constitution’s basic requirement that federal courts only hear genuine cases or controversies between adverse parties. You don’t have a lawsuit when the plaintiff tells reporters he is going to “work out a settlement with myself” and instructs the Treasury Secretary to “pay me.” Asked about it at the White House on Monday, Trump said he knows “very little about it” and “wasn’t involved in the creation of it.” The man who said “tell ‘em to pay me” suddenly knows nothing about it. Which tells you much of what you need to know.

Judge Kathleen Williams of the Southern District of Florida saw it too. She ordered briefing on the collusion question and appointed a gold-plated set of amici—former federal judge and legendary AUSA John Gleeson, former Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, and Faith Gay—to present the arguments that neither Trump nor his captive DOJ could be trusted to make. That filing was supplemented by a brief on behalf of 93 members of Congress arguing flatly that the court lacks jurisdiction because the lawsuit is collusive.

Two weeks ago, I predicted that DOJ would run rather than face that hearing. They did, filing a notice of voluntary dismissal just two days before they would have had to choose between two untenable alternatives: either concede the DOJ stands in genuine opposition to Trump, a position the entire record belies, or admit it does his bidding—which would be a confession that the lawsuit was a constitutional nullity from the start. They chose an off-ramp instead.

The dismissal instructs Judge Williams that there was nothing left she could do, but that’s not quite right. It’s true that Judge Williams had to accept Trump’s voluntary dismissal: the Eleventh Circuit has held that such a notice is self-executing and strips the district court of jurisdiction. But Judge Williams put down a marker in her order granting the dismissal, and it’s going to continue to have a legal and political impact on the pushback against the fund.

After canvassing the law strongly indicating that Trump v. IRS was a collusive suit, i.e., a constitutional nullity, Judge Williams wrote that because the notice of voluntary dismissal “does not reference or include a stipulation of settlement, there is no settlement of record.”

Read that again. There is no settlement of record before her court. The entire settlement agreement, which says up front it is settling the case before Judge Williams, is built on a lie, and the parties know it. The agreement declares that the United States—you and I—receive the benefit of the dismissal of Trump’s lawsuit. But a lawsuit that is unconstitutional and cannot be brought in federal courts is of zero value. You cannot settle something that never existed. The consideration on the government’s side of this transaction is pure air.

Williams expressly tied the statement of no settlement to the “outstanding question as to whether an actual case or controversy existed.” That means, at a minimum, that the unconstitutionality of the original case, which is the only even purported consideration for the creation of the fund, is in serious doubt.

Worse, as Williams made plain, the DOJ under its own regulations has “an independent obligation to uphold the public’s strong interest in knowing about the conduct of its Government and expenditure of its resources”—and it filed nothing to fulfill that obligation. Not a word in court to justify spending $1.776 billion of public money. (Note the cute nod to 1776, just months before the semiquincentennial, as if by a feat of patriotic magic that’s the fair value) And how could there be? The administration is creating a huge slush fund to benefit some of the most perfidious offenders against the Constitution in our history, in exchange for the dropping of an unconstitutional non-lawsuit.

This is not a settlement. It is a money grab. It’s a party for all of Trump’s fellow travelers who claim the Biden administration weaponized the DOJ and harmed them, featuring a piñata with $1.8 billion that Trump will let fly. And who will oversee the distribution of the booty? Five commissioners appointed by Blanche and serving at Trump’s pleasure. The fix is in up and down and side to side.

Stuart Rhodes, five million? Sounds about right. Steve Bannon, thirty million? Why not? Every January 6th offender—people who together committed the most serious assault on American democracy since at least the Civil War, and who have already had their entirely fair convictions swept away by pardon—can dip into the cookie jar.

And, another of the cascading outrages of the whole setup, the agreement provides that the names of people who get payouts and the amounts they draw from the honeypot are to remain confidential, provided only to the attorney general.

Oh, and one more thing added this morning as if by afterthought. The DOJ has beneficently appended a promise that the IRS will not pursue any claims it may have against Trump and his family over unpaid taxes. That significantly increases the enormous price tag to the public of the deal, in exchange for, well, nothing.

Blanche reaches for Keepseagle v. Vilsack as legal cover. That Obama-era settlement came after eleven years of genuine adversarial litigation by Native American farmers proving decades of documented discrimination—a payout representing 98 percent of what plaintiffs could have won at trial. This case started and ended in four months, with the government never filing a single word in defense. The analogy doesn’t limp. It doesn’t walk at all.

The arrangement is also a direct affront to Congress, and a rank violation of the law governing disbursement of money Congress has allocated.

Congress has set aside money in the Judgment Fund precisely for bona fide settlements of actual or imminent litigation against the United States. The GAO has explained that the Fund “is limited to litigative awards, meaning awards that were or could have been made in a court.” The law that Blanche invokes—28 U.S.C. § 2414—requires the same: it authorizes settlements only for suits against the United States, not for separate free-standing compensation funds paying unnamed future claimants who have filed nothing and sued nobody.

Rep. Jamie Raskin (D_MD) —who, as ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, may be leading the charge against this whole foul arrangement—threw down the gauntlet Monday. Only Congress has the power to appropriate federal dollars, he said, and Congress never authorized a nearly $1.8 billion political slush fund for aggrieved MAGA foot soldiers and sycophants. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, was even more pointed: he called it the most brazen theft and abuse of taxpayer dollars by any president in American history.

In Blanche’s Senate testimony today before the Appropriations subcommittee on the overall DOJ budget request, he evaded answering whether January 6 offenders who had attacked Capitol police officers would be eligible for a bounty. He adopted the all-purpose deflection that he was not going to be one of the Commissioners.

During the same hearing, Democratic Senators said they expected there to be a vote on the slush fund as part of the “vote-a-rama” later in the week. More about that in Part 2, which will explore possible lines of future resistance.

And then there is DOJ itself—an institution with its own independent obligations, which this arrangement completely compromises.

Federal statute limits the attorney general’s settlement authority to “compromise settlements of claims…for defense of imminent litigation or suits against the United States.” 28 U.S.C. § 2414. The Judgment Fund regulation at 31 C.F.R. § 256.1 likewise requires that payments be for “actual or imminent litigation” and comply with “the statutory and regulatory requirements that authorize the award or settlement.” DOJ’s own settlement policies prohibit paying claims of parties who were never before the court.

The Anti-Weaponization Fund violates every one of these requirements. It pays future claimants who were not parties to Trump v. IRS, who have no pending litigation against the United States, and whose claims do not yet exist. Blanche’s own letter concedes as much, stating that the corpus “does not represent the value of any current claim by Plaintiffs.” He intends that as an explanation. It reads as a confession.

It also sets up a minefield for some unlucky Executive Branch official to navigate. Someone will have to certify that the funds are spent in compliance with 28 U.S.C. §1414, which governs the DOJ’s settlement authority. But that statute specifies that the funds can only be used for defense of “actual or imminent litigation.” As the brief filed for 93 members of the House explains, “There must be a legitimate dispute over either liability or amount.” After all, “the Judgment Fund is limited to litigative awards, meaning awards that were or could have been made in a court.” (quoting GAO report and CRS article on Judgment Fund; emphases in brief).

That may explain the report in this morning’s Wall Street Journal of the abrupt resignation of the general counsel of the Treasury Department, which will bear responsibility for approving the use of the government’s judgment fund. Brian Morrisey is a highly credentialed lawyer, a former clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas who left a partnership at the white shoe firm of Sidley & Austin to take the plum government job. The Journal report leaves the conspicuous implication that Morrisey’s exit was to avoid having his fingerprints on the programmatic approvals going forward.

You can bet that many more government officials will be taking cover before the radioactive fallout from this constitutional meltdown has run its course. In the second part of this essay, I will analyze the grave injury to the American public and sketch possible lines of legal and political resistance to the whole debacle.


Worse Than The Old Boss: Todd Blanche Drives Justice To A New Low

Worse Than The Old Boss: Todd Blanche Drives Justice To A New Low

When Pam Bondi was sacked earlier this month, amid reports that her firing offense was, of all things, insufficient zeal in securing convictions of Trump’s enemies, the logical question was: just what more could she have done? Bondi had seemingly pulled out every possible stop to deliver the scalps to the King, foiled only by the checks that exist outside DOJ’s walls, especially grand juries that refused to indict the innocent targets she had placed before them.

At the time, the question seemed rhetorical. It wasn’t. In Todd Blanche’s three weeks as Acting AG, he has taken screws that seemed fully turned and tightened them another notch. His initial moves suggest that, hard as it is to conceive, he will be even more vicious, more slavish toward Trump, and more willing to jettison the public interest and the rule of law than was his consummately servile predecessor.

Meet the new boss. Worse than the old boss.

In 14 months, the shortest confirmed tenure of any Attorney General in 60 years, Bondi managed to eviscerate the mission and good faith of the DOJ to the point where courts that had always assumed the best of government lawyers had begun to assume the worst. It was the antithesis of justice without fear or favor, the Justice Department’s historic watchword: instead, Bondi’s DOJ delivered favor to Trump’s allies and tortured his enemies.

Yet in barely three weeks on the fifth floor, Blanche has done Bondi one better, which is to say the country one worse. The Department, in April, has moved to whitewash the criminal records of the worst January 6 offenders; fired career prosecutors for working righteous cases now in political disfavor; deployed loyalist assistants to intimidate the Federal Reserve in a manner both nakedly political and downright bizarre; and routed a reprisal perjury prosecution to a division with no conceivable jurisdiction over it.

Start with the most historically consequential. On Tuesday, the Department filed a bare-bones motion in the D.C. Circuit seeking to vacate the seditious conspiracy convictions of the worst January 6 offenders: eight Oath Keepers, including founder Stewart Rhodes, and four Proud Boys, including Joseph Biggs and Ethan Nordean.

These men were the architects of the worst assault on democratic self-governance in our lifetimes. Their prosecutions, for seditious conspiracy, arguably the most serious and demanding charge in the federal arsenal, were the hardest and proudest achievement of the largest criminal investigation in DOJ history.

The seditious conspirators had already received an outrageous windfall when Trump commuted their sentences on his first day back in office. Since then, he has embraced them as “hostages,” “unbelievable patriots,” and “warriors,” and called January 6 itself “a day of love.” The motion to vacate takes this grotesque revisionism to its logical conclusion.

The four-page motion offered no legal argument, no claim of innocence, no suggestion of prosecutorial error. It simply declared that dismissal “is in the interests of justice.”

Whose justice might that be?

On remand, the government will move to dismiss with prejudice, meaning no retrial is ever possible. The legal system will formally reflect that Stewart Rhodes and company committed no January 6-related crimes. At that point, these newly exonerated defendants will be positioned to sue the United States for malicious prosecution, just as Michael Flynn did, walking away with 1.25 million taxpayer dollars. A collection of pardoned January 6 defendants has already brought a class action against the Capitol police officers they overran that day, alleging excessive force. Rhodes and company can now wave their own dismissals with prejudice.

This is not, as Bondi and Trump might suppose, the triumph of one political faction over another. The whitewashing of the worst January 6 crimes is an offense against the entire country, Republicans and Democrats, MAGA and never-Trump alike. The convictions Blanche erases belonged to all of us.

The second item involves firing people for doing their jobs, and smearing them on the way out.

This week, the department fired at least four career prosecutors who had worked FACE Act cases under Merrick Garland, simultaneously releasing a 900-page “weaponization” report accusing those same prosecutors of selective enforcement. They got the knife and the smear at the same time.

The Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act was passed in 1994 with bipartisan support, its primary target the physical blockading of abortion clinics, with protections for houses of worship added to bring Republicans along.

The felony cases Garland’s prosecutors brought involved defendants who physically blockaded clinic entrances. Not people standing peacefully with signs. The cases were not close calls. In Washington, D.C., defendants forced their way into a clinic and blockaded the doors while a co-conspirator livestreamed it. In Mount Juliet, Tennessee, a coordinated group physically blocked a patient from receiving care while two ringleaders ran a deliberate deception operation to delay police. That is the conduct Blanche has now declared a firing offense to prosecute.

What makes this doubly perverse is the asymmetry Blanche has enshrined as policy: FACE Act cases involving houses of worship get the Justice Department’s full attention, as with the tenuous prosecution of Don Lemon for covering a protest in a St. Paul church; cases involving abortion clinics are now restricted to “extraordinary circumstances.” Same conduct, same statute, different outcomes depending on the political valence of the victim.

Then there is Tuesday’s drop-in visit to the Federal Reserve by two prosecutors in Jeanne Pirro’s office and an investigator.

Chief Judge James Boasberg had already quashed Pirro’s subpoenas targeting the Fed in March, finding that the government had produced “essentially zero evidence to suspect Chair Powell of a crime” and that the investigation was transparently designed to pressure Powell on interest rates. So Pirro dispatched two prosecutors, Steven Vandervelden and Carlton Davis, to show up unannounced at the Fed’s Washington headquarters and request a tour of the renovation project Trump has cast as the source of Powell’s supposed criminal exposure.

It is hard to overstate how anomalous this is. Prosecutors don’t make unannounced visits to subjects of an investigation and ask for a tour. Beyond that, the Fed is represented by counsel, Robert Hur, the former United States Attorney who investigated Biden’s handling of classified documents and found no basis for charges. Contacting a represented party without counsel present is a blatant ethical violation. Hur responded with a tart letter advising Pirro’s office that if it wished to challenge Boasberg’s ruling, the courts provided an avenue. That avenue is called an appeal. Pirro has yet to file one.

A word about Vandervelden and Davis. They are also the same Pirro soldiers who previously tried to indict six sitting Democratic members of Congress for taping a video urging military personnel they need not comply with illegal orders. Vandervelden has no prior federal prosecutorial experience; Davis previously served as a congressional staffer and has a single brief stint as an AUSA to his name.

The result: not a single vote to indict. It’s the first total shutout in federal grand jury practice that I’ve ever even heard about. The old saw is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. It wouldn’t bite on the very different malodorous sandwich Vandervelden and Davis were serving.

The only plausible explanation for the Fed field trip is raw intimidation, a rattling of sabers, saying we still have you in our sights. Trump confirmed as much the next morning, telling Fox Business the probe would continue and that it was “more than a criminal probe.” The President of the United States, on camera, volunteered that his prosecutors are doing something other than pursuing criminal justice.

Finally, there is Cassidy Hutchinson, the then-25-year-old former White House aide whose June 2022 testimony remains one of the most consequential public accounts of Trump’s conduct on January 6. She was a loyal Republican staffer with no political animus toward Trump. She simply told the truth under oath, at considerable personal cost, against documented pressure from her Trump-supplied attorney not to, an attorney she eventually discharged.

The prospective perjury charge centers on her relaying what she had been told by White House Deputy Chief of Staff Tony Ornato about Trump lunging for the steering wheel of the presidential vehicle. The Secret Service agent in the car disputed the account; Ornato himself later claimed not to remember telling her. Relaying in good faith what a senior White House official told you is not perjury, by any stretch. The willful and material falsehood the charge requires is nowhere in evidence.

Bondi opened the inquiry in her final weeks as a last-ditch bid to please Trump. Blanche greenlighted the next step: assigning the matter to Harmeet Dhillon’s Civil Rights Division. Dhillon is a longtime Trump personal attorney, an ardent promoter of his 2020 election fraud claims, and an official who has described her mission as not merely slowing civil rights enforcement but “turning the train around and driving in the opposite direction.”

But perjury prosecutions are not her job. Every division in the Department has its own bailiwick. I don’t know of a single instance in which the Civil Rights Division has handled a congressional perjury case. There is no institutional authority to do so. The assignment is designed for one purpose: to show Trump that the Hutchinson prosecution is in the hands of a trusted enforcer.

What distinguishes Blanche, and has earned him particular contempt among former DOJ colleagues, is that he knows better. Bondi was over her head from day one, a Fox News personality dropped into the nation’s premier law enforcement institution. Blanche is a former Assistant United States Attorney who spent years in the Southern District of New York. He knows that the career prosecutors he has fired acted with integrity and dedication to justice. He knows the value of the traditions he is feeding through a meat grinder, because he was formed by them.

Blanche served in a Justice Department where it was forbidden for the White House even to communicate with DOJ about a pending case, and he knows precisely why that rule existed and what its abandonment means. Now he takes pride in turning that rule upside down.

At his first press conference as Acting AG, asked about Trump’s explicit public demands that DOJ investigate his political opponents, Blanche said: “It is true that some of them involve men, women, and entities that the president in the past has had issues with and believes should be investigated. That is his right, and indeed it is his duty to do that, meaning to lead this country.”

Whoa. The Acting Attorney General of the United States describes it as the president’s duty, and a function of his leadership, to order prosecutions of his political enemies. It is a breathtaking characterization of Trump’s corrupt agenda, now become the Department of Justice’s mission statement.

In three weeks, Blanche has made clear there is no floor he recognizes. He is all in, past Bondi, past any limiting principle. We thought we had seen the bottom. We hadn’t.

And that gives rise to one question, also unfortunately not rhetorical: how much lower can he drive the Department of Justice?

Harry Litman is a former United States Attorney and the executive producer and host of the Talking Feds podcast. He has taught law at UCLA, Berkeley, and Georgetown and served as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Clinton Administration. Please consider subscribing to Talking Feds on Substack.

Reprinted with permission from Talking Feds.

Biden Used Autopen, But How Many January 6 Pardons Did Trump Fail To Sign At All?

Biden Used Autopen, But How Many January 6 Pardons Did Trump Fail To Sign At All?

The Republican-led House Oversight Committee claimed that former President Joe Biden’s executive actions and pardons issued by autopen should be declared “null and void” — bolstering a claim pushed by President Donald Trump and endorsed by right-wing media. Meanwhile, multiple people Trump pardoned for charges related to January 6 said in podcast appearances earlier this year that their pardons didn’t include Trump's signature at all.

On October 28, the House Oversight Committee released a report on Biden’s mental fitness when he issued actions signed by autopen, claiming that Biden “experienced significant mental and physical decline during his presidency,” and thus Attorney General Pam Bondi should review whether Biden’s pardons are legitimate.

Oversight Chairman James Comer claimed that the autopen actions should be “null and void.” ABC News noted that “Comer’s comments echo some of President Donald Trump's remarks about Biden’s use of autopen -- including saying that the pardons Biden approved should be voided because they were signed using an autopen.”

Trump’s claim had also spread widely in right-wing media.

However, on the May 14 edition of the Bobby Pickles Podcast, Troy Garrett — who pleaded guilty in December 2024 to a felony count related to his conduct at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, and was reportedly a recipient of one of Trump’s mass pardons of January 6 participants — said that his pardon has no signature at all.

Presidential pardon certificate for Troy Vincent Garrett, lacking Donald Trump signatureScreenshot from Bobby Pickles' Podcast

Speaking with host Robert Piccirillo (also known as “Bobby Pickles”), Garrett said in response to Trump’s claim about Biden and the autopen, “You didn’t even autopen my pardon, bro. You didn’t even, like, spit on it,” adding, “You didn’t even sign mine, bro. So what are you talking about, bro? What are you talking about, Trump?”

Piccirillo also noted that he previously interviewed Gina Bisignano, a reported recipient of one of Trump’s January 6-related pardons, and “nobody signed her pardon either.” Bisignano was convicted, but not formally sentenced, for some federal charges for participating at the protest at the Capitol on January 6. During her appearance, she showed her pardon on screen, and it did not appear to have any signature on it.

As right-wing media and Republicans attack Biden’s use of autopen for pardons, January 6 participants say some Trump pardons were not signed at all www.mediamatters.org

ROBERT PICCIRILLO (HOST): You were pardoned, right? You received a pardon?

GINA BISIGNANO (GUEST): Yes I was. Hold on, let me show it to you. Robert, nothing could be worse. OK? This is my pardon. Nothing could be worse.

PICCIRILLO: Did Trump sign the pardon?

BISIGNANO: I don’t think he did. Right?

PICCIRILLO: Interesting.

BISIGNANO: No — I know. I wanted a signature.

PICCIRILLO: I know. That’s actually — I’m going to have a guy on probably next after you, and he wants to talk about why he received a pardon and there are no signatures on the pardons. And he has, like, some kind of conspiracy about that. So that's why I was wondering if you’re kind of, you know —

BISIGNANO: No. I think it’s because it was so broad. Like, no.

During Garrett’s appearance, he and Piccirillo expressed concern that without the signature, the pardons may not be legally valid and could be voided by Democrats in the future.

“When Trump is out of office, and I don’t have a signed pardon, the Democrats … won’t be able to send me to prison,” Garrett said. “It’ll be past the statute of limitations. However, I was already found guilty in a court of law, convicted as a felon in a court of law, in the federal court of law, in Washington, D.C., of all places, of a felony. And so there’s nothing stopping them from saying, ‘He’s still a felon. He doesn’t get any guns. He can’t vote.’ There’s nothing stopping them.”

ROBERT PICCIRILLO (HOST): You had a gripe about Donald Trump not signing the pardons. That’s really why you wanted to get on today — you wanted to talk about that. And so you received a pardon —

TROY GARRETT (GUEST): Bro.

PICCIRILLO: Just like all these other people, 1,500 people received a pardon. I believe I received a pardon. Actually, I think my case, my case was just dismissed, so I don’t think I was actually technically pardoned. I was just — my case was dismissed. But you received a pardon. I just had Gina Bisignano on. She’s the Beverly Hills Insurrectionist. She was the one that was wearing Louboutin and Chanel boots and speaking out of the [inaudible]. She was leading the charge, getting everybody to go inside. Anyway —

GARRETT: I remember her.

PICCIRILLO: Nobody signed her pardon either. She just had the pardon. She just showed it to me right before you, and I said, “Is there a signature on that pardon?” She said, “Nope.”

GARRETT: How is that valid?

PICCIRILLO: I don’t know, TeeRoy. What do you think’s going on here? Huh?

GARRETT: Well, let’s concentrate real quick —

PICCIRILLO: Since I was not pardoned, can they come back after me? Because I was — because they just —

GARRETT: No, because your statute of limitations will, once Trump is out of office, will have reached its limitations. Me, however, I already pled guilty to a felony. I was already, what do you call it?

PICCIRILLO: Adjudicated guilty.

GARRETT: Yes, adjudicated guilty. At that point, you become a felon. I was just awaiting sentencing. So here’s what I fear. I mean, I was already proven guilty. I was already — I was awaiting sentencing. I was already a felon. At this point, I’m an ex-felon. However, there is nothing that I can — and you know me, bro. I do a lot of research on different things.

There is nothing that protects me from becoming a felon again in the future because he didn’t sign the pardons. Sure, my case was dropped. It was signed by my judge, Rudy Gutierrez or some shit [expletive], that an order of dismissal was signed by my judge.

PICCIRILLO: Oh my God, she used that word twice or three times in the last interview. I’m going to do a lot of bleeping.

GARRETT: But I was already convicted. So, to me, it seems like very uncertain, very unsure about this pardon.

You know, Trump brings up a lot of “Well, Biden autopenned his pardons.” Well, you didn’t even autopen my pardon, bro. You didn’t even, like, spit on it.

PICCIRILLO: Autopen?

GARRETT: Well, you know, Trump has tried to say that Biden’s pardons are invalid because they were all used with autopen. Well —

PICCIRILLO: Oh my God.

GARRETT: You didn’t even sign mine. You didn’t even sign mine, bro. So what are you talking about, bro? What are you talking about, Trump? My man, Trump. I’m supposed to turn myself into prison on May 6, which is, like, I don’t know, 10 days from today. I was supposed to go into prison for five years, 10 days from today.

PICCIRILLO: You’re still supposed to? No.

GARRETT: No, no, no, no. I was supposed to. I was supposed to.

PICCIRILLO: Right.

GARRETT: But the pardon that keeps me out of prison hasn’t been signed by the president.

PICCIRILLO: Is that the deal you took, five years?

GARRETT: Well, I didn’t get a deal, Bobby. I got charged.

PICCIRILLO: You pled the one, to one felony, but that was carrying a weight of five years in prison.

GARRETT: Yes.

PICCIRILLO: You’re getting ready to go do a five-year bid just now? Wow.

GARRETT: Yeah. And the judge told me in court, you know, “I could sentence you to less, but you know you’re looking at five years. The prosecution wanted two and a half, but I can give you a full five. Do you understand that, Mr. Garrett?” “Yes, your honor. I understand that.”

And, you know, so, May 6, I was supposed to go to sentencing and to learn my fate. And, so, but, so what I’m getting at here is that when Trump is out of office, and I don’t have a signed pardon, the Democrats —

PICCIRILLO: We are fucked.

GARRETT: Yeah. The Democrats should be able to — I will not be able to be able to — they won’t be able to send me to prison. It’ll be past the statute of limitations. However, I was already found guilty in a court of law, convicted as a felon in a court of law, in the federal court of law, in Washington, D.C., of all places, of a felony. And so there’s nothing stopping them from saying, “He’s still a felon. He doesn’t get any guns. He can’t vote.” There’s nothing stopping them.

As far as I know, I’m still a felon. I can’t vote because my pardon was not signed.

PICCIRILLO: Wow. That is kind of crazy when you think about it.

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