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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

KALAMAZOO, Mich. — When Mayor Bobby J. Hopewell talks about the importance of manufacturing to this friendly Michigan town with a name that lends itself to song, he doesn’t reel off the usual list of heavy industries typically associated with the word “factory.”

He speaks of Kalsec, the Kalamazoo Spice Extraction Company founded in 1958 that produces and markets natural herbs and spices for food manufacturers. He mentions Fabri-Kal, a 62-year-old packaging company that describes itself as “the seventh-largest plastic thermoformer in North America.” Think of products in drug stores encased in heavy plastic. And he doesn’t leave out the pharmaceutical industry, long vital to his city’s economy.

Yes, we still make a lot of stuff in the United States of America, and one of the good things about this election is that it is likely to be decided in the nation’s industrial heartland — in the towns and cities of Ohio above all, but also in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

President Obama almost certainly needs these states to win re-election, and if he does, manufacturing is destined for a larger role in the American economic conversation. Many promises have been made this year to the people and the communities whose ability to thrive has long depended upon manufacturing. The campaign’s thrust should move them to the heart of our efforts to seek a path up from the financial catastrophe that engulfed the country in 2008.

For two decades now, we have acted as if nearly all of us are destined to work in the tech industry or health care — or to survive on money that trickles our way courtesy of the world of finance. But while Hopewell is proud of the part played in his city by universities and those engaged in work involving what he calls “intellectual property,” he adds: “We are major makers in the region.”

When Hopewell is asked if he used the term “makers” in the way Paul Ryan does in drawing a distinction between “makers” and “takers” — between those who produce and those who get government aid — this Democrat laughs heartily. No, he says, his views have little in common with Ryan’s. The mayor is talking about manufacturing, pure and simple.

Leaders of traditional factory towns are by no means interested in a stagnant world in which each generation follows their parents into the same old factory job. On the contrary, this city is proud of “The Kalamazoo Promise,” the remarkable initiative of anonymous local donors who have established a fund that pays for a college education for every graduate of the city’s schools.

  • nobsartist

    One thing is for sure, willard and ryan have never made anything. They have never had a job.

    Thats why the 12 million jobs they talk about creating will be created somewhere else.

    • ace

      Some people are easy to fool and looks like you are guilty how many jobs has Oblamer ever had fool .

      • nobsartist

        considering willard created 1,314 jobs and transferred 100 million in pensions to the “pension guarantee fund”, anyone that votes for willard is an idiot and you are the fool.

        • onedonewong

          Barak has sent more US jobs to China than all of the rest of the US presidents combined. 40% of his shovel ready jobs spending went to China

          • Not even worthy of comment, a**wipe.

          • onedonewong

            Truth is something you don’t handle well obviously

          • neece00

            No, truth is something you and Mr Romney, know nothing about. I assume that Fox news is your source and you may as well take of the work of Paul Ryan, they are both about the same.

          • onedonewong

            let me know when you wake up from your drug induced stupor

          • Like all neocons, when you open your mouth a lie slides out.

          • onedonewong

            f it was easier to tell the truth the left wingnuts and barak would still lie

          • brothergene

            Does Romney believe that “some girls rape easy?”

          • onedonewong

            That’s always been Bill Clintons and Al Gore’s marching song

          • amarquez647

            Where did you get your statistics from? If you state something as if it were facts, you should be able to proof it. Otherwise I belief you pulled that statement out of the orifice you sit on.
            Show me your stats.

          • onedonewong

            My numbers came from a speech from Chuck Shumer and ABC News Dianne Sawyer

          • You been watching Fox Propergada Networks

          • onedonewong

            No just reading the Wall St Journal and watching Dianne sawyer of TV

      • Still in your cups, eh, Deuce?

        What’s your drink of choice? Ripple?

      • Lot more that Bush lost and how many wars did bush start?

    • onedonewong

      Barak has never worked a day in his life nor had a job v=based on his ability. As a life long quota he has no skills or ability and the past 4 years show it

      • You a**wipe racist. I suspect that not even your mother could stand you. And I have already warned you about addressing the President by his given name. You have not earned that right.

        • onedonewong

          another denier, my posts about barak are 100% truthful but folks like you are too timid to do any research and believe the messiah nonsense. Anyone who is fre white and 10 has earned that right to call him barak

          • Lies are the only research you do, dimwit.

          • onedonewong

            warry research and reading are obviously not your friends. Blind belief in your messiah are your sources

    • brothergene

      Romney’s 12 million jobs will be created in China, Vietnam, India, Brazil, you know, the usual suspects

    • ha ha, 12 million jobs is the amount of jobs that WILL be created naturally in the economy if no one does anything at ALL. That’s why Mittens is always blathering about it. Because he will do NOTHING to create a single job for anyone. Except himself.

  • I like Willard’s screw up at the Jeep Plant. First claiming the jobs were going to China, then the Chariman of Chrysler saying to the effect that not ony were they opening a plant in China to meet their needs, they would be adding hundreds (if not thousands) of employees to US plants to meet the domestic demands!

    • neece00

      I saw that screw up but what I don’t understand is, how does this not get on the national news. Why do we only see his screw up on the nationalmemo or MSNBC. Something like that should be plastered all over the news media.

      • timeforchange321

        Because the mormons and the repubs own 99% of all news stations….except PBS, which is why Robme wants to get rid of that first…truth in the news will be lost.. Obama/Biden 4 more God please!!

        • ace

          That is a LIBERAL LIE .

          • Only insofar as the percentage quoted. The story, however, is quite true.

    • ace

      How about the GM plant in China they sent people there to help them out with where do all you idiots get your half AZZ info .

      • What the hell are you trying to say, half-wit Deuce? Your grmmar does not parse.

        Get sober, for heaven’s sake. You’re an embarassment to yourself and your family.

  • SeekingOut

    My concern is the electronic voting in Ohio. I strongly fear that the GOP plans to steal Ohio, in my opinion, the Kasich statement on Meet the Press is setting the stage for this!!

    • sigrid28

      I’m so fed up with Governor Kasich that I switched channels during “Meet the Press,” and now I wish I hadn’t. For years now the GOP has been trying to pass legislation on a local, state, and federal level to influence the vote. In Iowa, local officials put confusing wording on postcard-sized mailings of “new” voter registration cards needed because the GOP had redistricted areas and voters needed to be informed of new polling sites. Whether this confusion is plain old “failure to communicate,” to borrow a famous phrase from the movie “Cool Hand Luke,” or calculated to suppress votes is open to question. That is part of the Republicans’ ground game. But I think it could very well backfire on them.

      Malice seems to play a part with those who enjoy plotting to cheat the system, maybe greed if they are paid to do so, but once these efforts come to light–and the effects of them–I think the American populace, old and young alike, will have as much sympathy for these meddling cheats as they did for the replacement refs, owners, and union reps this fall in the professional football debacle. To the extent to which voting and elections have a sport-like popularity in the U.S., Americans will tolerate very little tampering with a sport they love, and they are unforgiving about cheating once it has come to light (witness Lance Armstrong’s fall from grace). It could be that the GOP in mounting a campaign to game the voting system has misjudged the character of the American electorate and its gullibility.

      To wit, local Democrats have been able to counter local efforts by the GOP to suppress the vote. by making sure all absentee ballots get a post mark and by providing lawyers at polls if Truethevote tries to intimidate voters. Grassroots campaigners for Obama have come to my door two Saturdays in a row, while I was making calls from the Barack Obama website. Just visit that site to see the sophistication of the Democratic ground game. For example, I can call voters in any state, can help them with their polling sites or questions about early voting FOR THAT STATE or absentee ballots, and enter a record of their vote, their plans about voting, or if the phone number on the site is no longer good for reaching this particular voter. Think about that: our grassroots game is so good, we are able to reach the homes of each voter in the entire country.

      On a larger scale, I think recounts can only help the Democratic party in the long run, because they are bound to bring to light the clownish antics of local, state, and national Republicans behind efforts to undermine a sport Americans love as much as baseball and football. If Americans hate waiting thirty minutes for a decision in a professional football game, imagine how they will hate waiting thirty days for results of this November’s elections, especially during a time of such dramatic polarization of the electorate. The press will love this, because they get months of cliff hangers to bolster ratings, not to mention “the” fiscal cliff that a lame duck congress must either leap or avoid.

      What about the election being decided by the Supreme Court? Its credibility took a hit in 2000, which led to the George W. Bush presidency and the worse economic crisis for the U.S. since the Great Depression. SCOTUS is not as uninformed about candidates and party platforms as the Republicans dumb enough to vote against their own self-interest. When it came to certifying Obamacare, they were loath to infuriate the nation by voting along partisan lines. Furthermore, they have to have seen this contest over the election outcome looming greater day by day, as Republican governors in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida pressed the limit of the patience of the electorate. Will the justices on this Supreme Court want to endorse voting laws that set back the guarantees of the constitution? Not if they know what’s good for them and their legacy.

      In the long run, we might end up with a much better method for casting and counting votes. At this point, I’m for staining all voters’ index fingers with indigo dye, like they do in Third World countries. Maybe that way even low-information voters will have to recall what is at stake in this country’s elections, which have real-life consequences, here and overseas, where military and diplomatic personnel risk their lives daily.

    • neece00

      We know from past experience, that they are capable of steeling an election as it has been before.

  • SeekingOut

    The problem though, Baron, is that the Romney statement got translated to a sound byte that will be picked up by “low-information” ears and affect their decision. Romney knows full well what he’s doing; that’s part of his mo……throw things out there, no matter how ridiculously untrue, aware that some of it will stick.

    • William Deutschlander

      That is precisely why the election is so close. I reside in Penna where Erie, Pittsburgh, Allentown/Bethlehem and Philadelphia are predominately growth areas and have a Democrat majority, the remainder of Penna has been going backward for years, deteriorating, and is heavily Republican “low information”!

  • jim1230

    I would like to see the Democratic pac , offer one million dollars, to the first person that can proove that the Romney family owned voting machines are rigged to help Romney to cheat and win. It is hard to see why they would invest in a company that makes voting machines, that are not a fast moving item. That whole family is nothing but a bunch of CROOKS. I wish President O Bama would come out more about Bain Capitol ,and Romney’s ties to them. And how the blind trust are are not BLIND at all. That IDOT ( Romney ) knows where every penny is being spent. Romney sure has used the Goverment ,to back the pension’s of the employees that he has fired and shipped the jobs to CHINA. If Romney wins ( heaven forbid ) I hope that all of these Billy Graham christian fools cry like a baby when Romney takes the oath of office using the Mormon CULT BIBLE. They think that they can vote for Romney ,and then ask for forgiveness after sinning so BAD. A bunch of hippocrits.

    • SeekingOut

      Can we try to get some attention to this matter? I just sent an email to the Obama campaign, but who knows if it will even be seen and read?

      • Yes I wrote to Obama and received a answer, maybe he didn’t write it and probably didn’t see my letter.

        • Ed

          well, since you didn’t give any details we can’t say. But the White house averages 10,000 pieces of mail when there is no election race going on, so yes, he probably did not see your letter/ You know, he has a fulltiome job, unlike Mittens.

    • Just let a programming expert from somewhere else read thru the code. I could garentee it’s programmed to steal votes!

      • Will somebody please tell me why all you vultures insist on spilling your bile in a site that is obviously not where you belong? Are you so crazy that even the pro-RMONEY (sic) sites won’t let you post?

        Do you not know that you violate the adage about birds of a feather flocking together?

        Get off this site and flock with the Jim Crows.

    • neece00

      I am with you on that, how do these things not make the national news media. Why have we dropped the offshore monies and the tax returns. He should be investigated by the IRS on his tax returns. All his shady dealings have just dropped off and now people are thinking how honest and sincere he is. Makes me sick.

    • ace

      I wish the GOP would offer a million for some one to tell why two women voted for Romney in Las Vegas and it came up Obama i wish some multi billion would give Obama to get out of this country and take all you idiots with him fool .

      • And because votes are secret, and ballots not yet tabulated, you know this! How?

        And you dare call others “fool”! Look in the mirror, Deuce, and get sober. It will likely change your views.

  • TheOldNorthChurch

    Proves that “education is a very important issue in this election”. White voters without college educations are voting for Obama at nearly twice the rate in the Midwest as in the South. If they were educated who would they vote for?

    How do you kill eleven million people?

    The answer is breathtakingly simple. And it is a method still being used by some elected leaders to achieve various goals today.

    Lie to them.

    Once, I watched on television as the president of the United States resigned his office in disgrace. At that time, it didn’t occur to me that the nation was in so much turmoil — and the president was in so much trouble — not because of what had been done, but because he had lied about it.
    Andy Andrews

    The Economy, Events in Libya, Transparency.

    • SeekingOut

      Not sure where you’re at……
      White blue collar vote in Midwest is twice because the jobs situation improved, specifically, the auto industry (according to the article).
      11 million???
      Lies will only work with the uneducated and low informations. Of course, if one did something wrong and apologized = 1 forgiveness. If did something wrong and then lied on top of that = 10 forgivenesses. (Calibrated like earthquakes)

      • TheOldNorthChurch

        Lies worked with a highly educated German People.

        • SeekingOut

          Point taken.
          I think though, that it is not the lies themselves which have the desired effect but the need for people to latch on to something to help them justify positions which they are pre-disposed to.

          Reminds me of Obama flubbing debate#1 – lots of people were waiting for an excuse to decide on Romney without having to face up to their biases or bigotry. That’s why his poor showing in that debate had the effect which it had on the polling (electorate).

          • TheOldNorthChurch

            I think in most of those whom supported him in the last election, and are now voting for Romney, that it was they did not want to be called biased or bigots because they are not. What they saw was that Romney is more equipped to tackle the problems that are effecting their lives . Now they can vote for him based on fact.

    • nobsartist

      You win the “incoherent comment of the day” award.

      you may now vote for willard, he represents all idiots equally.

      • TheOldNorthChurch

        YOU MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE UNEDUCATED.

        • nobsartist

          You call me uneducated, yet you believe in fairy tales.

          Moron.

          • TheOldNorthChurch

            This is your best comeback?

    • northroader1775

      Well the statistics show that educated people prefer Obama by a wide margin…sooo again maybe you should check the facts before you just wander off into lala land…just because the voice in your head agrees doesn’t make it true.

      Turns out Obama is doing fine with educated voters…you know the kind who are used to gathering information and making decisions based on the facts they gathered. The kind who find it rediculously easy to see through Mitt’s BS…those voters prefer Obama by a wide margin…..sucks being you.

      • TheOldNorthChurch

        Where did you get your demographic data from?
        Latest Gallop:
        O-49% R-44% High School or less
        O-46% R-50% Some College
        O-43% R-53% College
        O-54% R-42% Post Grads (Interesting that Post Grads shift back to High School Levels)

        15% of registered voters have now voted early. Romney 51% to 46% (Gallop) .

    • And you edited this?

      I have no idea where you stand!

      What is the reference to killing 11 million people?

      And where on earth are you getting such breakdowns on white voters without college educations in the midwest? The election isn’t until November 6. Do you claim to have foreknowlege?

      • SeekingOut

        Hey Brian

        The article stated that President Obama is getting twice the support of blue collar whites in the midwest as opposed to the south (I guess polls). Reference to 11 million is to Jews/Germany, where the Nazis repeatedly lied and propangandized and even the well educated among the Germans bought into it.

  • Don’t forget Willard said that Chrysler is owned by the Italians.

    • Ed

      Sadly, it is. It is not an American company. The US taxpayer bailed it out in the 70’s and the company repaid every dime. But this time around “globalization” led to going with the highest bidder, and Italian company(more accurately an “International Company”.

    • timeforchange321

      Yes, and made it sound like it was Obama’s fault.. Most of Americans dont even know that it is owned by the Italians, so the ignorant will think it is O’s fault. Robme is edging on the uninformed and isolated voter..The ones who dont know or care to know how to use the internet and fact checkers..I had that experience..a 75 yr old woman told me that she might not vote for O because he was giving the alaskan islands to russia… there was a .05% truth to the story which has been twisted for the older people to get scared over.. too bad they just dont want to know the truth.

      • nobsartist

        sadly, you are an idiot. It is owned by the UAW.

        vote for willard. he treats all idiots equally.

  • OBAMA for 2012.

  • onedonewong

    Anyone who pays taxes will vote for Romney. When it comes to jobs Barak has shipped more jobs overseas in 4 years than any president in the past 100. Even his shovel ready jobs were sent to China for design steel and labor

    • nobsartist

      vote for willard. he represents all idiots.

    • northroader1775

      I can almost guarentee I pay more taxes than you and I am voting Obama…it’s about people not money. This is a country of FREE people…free thinking…free acting …free moving…..it’s not the money that matters it’s how you veiw people…Obama is for people and believes we can make it here in the USA…Mitt is for money and believes????well who knows what he really believes but his actions IE shipping jobs overseas and closing factories that are making record profits so that he can make even more in china…well Mitt’s actions speak for themselves….and actually he is the poster child for shipping jobs overseas so if you believe he’d change if you just give him a chance…you are a sad and delusional individual.

      • onedonewong

        A lib who pays taxes???? PLEEEEASE. This was a free country until the great card carrying socialist took over. Who rules by fiat and refuses to follow the constitution, oaths mean nothing to your messiah.
        Barak has shipped more jobs to China than all the previous presidents combined all at taxpayer expense. Most the shovel ready job spending went to China. Just look at the new bay bridge $750B and it was designed, build and assembled by the Chinese. The us taxpayers got to pay the bill. Thanks to buffoons like barak less than 60% of every dollar raised via gas taxes actually go to building and repairing the roads

    • How many times do I have to tell you to get your ass off this website? You didn’t listen. Now I’m going to have to visit you after which you’ll be wondering where your dong is.

      BTW, I pay taxes and I most certainly will not be voting for RMONEY (sic).

      • onedonewong

        itwill be up your a$$$ just like always you queen.

  • Inthenameofliberty

    And I would like to know why it is ok that the US government has taken millions of dollars of American taxpayer money to bail out the auto industry – nobody asked me if I wanted my taxpayer dollars to bail out a business that made bad decisions. And no one would bail me out if I owned a business and it failed. How in the world is that ok? Someone, please tell me why my kids have to burden a bankrupt America because a politician decided to hand out my money to someone else….and hey, oh gee!, the people that got the money are going to re-elect him? Seriously? Our country went to war over a tax on TEA and I would like to know WHY this is all ok?! It is NOT ok. If a business makes bad decisions then they should go bankrupt and someone who actually knows how to run a business should buy the business and take over. No one give me things for free – my husband and I work very hard to keep afloat. No one gave my parents anything – they worked hard to keep their family afloat. Same goes for my grandparents. And their parents. I am tired, so tired, of people wanting someone else to fix their problems and give them money. This election is a farce – there are SIX candidates running yet the media hardly covers any candidates save two. Democrats and Republicans – SHAME ON ALL OF US. This is by no means a free electoral process. Adults are the biggest bullies, the biggest liars, the biggest cheats, the WORST examples to our children that could possibly exist. We treat each other with disrespect and call each other horrible names – all in the name of politics. This whole election makes me sick and makes me wonder if our country has even one small chance at survival. WE. ARE. BROKE. And nobody seems to care. People just keep sticking out their hands for more handouts when there is just nothing left. I am just so tired. So tired of it all. I can not wait for this election to be over. Maybe people will find their brains again and stop acting like whiny brats. Yes – I am being disrespectful. Why shouldn’t I? I find the most brilliant examples of bratty behavior on these types of websites that I just can not help myself.

    • Dave_dido

      We are not broke. The U.S. is still the wealthiest country in the world- by far! The problem is that we now have the biggest gap between rich and poor of any industrialized country. This is no accident. The tax structure, keeping interest rates artificially low, bailing out Wall Street, allowing banks to merge with insurance companies and at the same time deregulating them, etc.- all of these things and more have been done to transfer more and more wealth to the upper 5%-10%. They have 93% of the wealth of this country! The auto bailout was one of the few things that was done for working people, to save good-paying jobs for working people.
      I’ll repeat: We are not broke. But all the money is held by a few who are still not happy. They want more and more and more. They can never have enough, so they still want to bust unions and bust anyone who wants to make our system more equitable. Just try it and they’ll cry, “class warfare!” That’s why they are spending hundreds of millions to defeat Pres. Obama because he has the audacity to try to help the middle class instead of helping the wealthy to get more.
      But don’t worry, if Romney gets in there, he’ll see to it that the wealthy are taken care of. Then we’ll spend another 8 years waiting for trickle-down, but it won’t come. Instead, 8 yrs. from now, the wealthy will own 98% of the wealth of our country. And they’ll still be crying “class warfare!”.

      • Inthenameofliberty

        Go to you tube. Watch ‘Tony Robbins Deficit’ Video. You say our country is not broke? Wow. I am still shocked by the ignorance I read. Give the video 20 minutes of your time. Just watch it. Dare you. Then tell me again that our country is not broke. Ignorance is not bliss – you are so sadly mistaken. Take all the money from the wealthy. Take it. Won’t do us any good. So sad, what so many people still believe. So very, very sad. So, educate yourself. Then realize that both political parties have been lying to you. Go ahead. Vote Obama into office. He can take every last dime from all those rich people you seem to dislike so much. Won’t make one damn bit of difference. Not. One. Damn. Bit. Of. Difference. We are in more debt than Greece. More debt than Spain. Time to go do your own research, Dave

        • nobsartist

          tony robbins? you just proved that you are a moron.

        • The Tony Robbins of “Trust me and walk through the burning coals.”

          You like him? Then follow his advice.

          But he won’t let you do it your shoes, so you better have Obamacare.

        • Dave_dido

          I am not suggesting that we take all the money from the wealthy. Like all extremists you take someone’s comment and twist it to fit your fantasy world. All I have ever suggested is that we let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone and earmark that money for paying down the debt. I have read estimates by respected economists who say that ending the Bush tax cuts could wipe out the deficit in 10 years. Now if you’re so worried about the deficit and that it will be the ruination of our children’s lives, is it asking too much to go back to the tax structure we had in the 1990’s? Most people seemed to be doing fine then, including the wealthy.
          By the way, I ‘ll stick to what I said before: the U.S. is by far the wealthiest country in the world. There’s a whole lot of money here. Well, maybe it’s not actually here in the U.S.. A good deal of it may be in the Caymans or in Swiss bank accounts, but it is nevertheless owned by Americans.
          I will admit to erring about who owns all the wealth. The top 1% owns 35% of the wealth; the top 10% owns 71%; the top 20% owns 85% of the wealth. The U.S. has the largest gap between rich and poor of any industrialized nation.And we once had a proud and very healthy middle class. If you can’t see that our capitalist system has worked its magic in favor of the wealthy, then there is nothing more I can say to you.
          ” He who has ears to hear, let him hear. He who has eyes to see, let him see.”
          “Amen I say to you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” That’s because many rich people turn a blind eye to those in need. I’m not talking about donating to charity; I’m talking about blindness to systemic problems that keep segments of our population in a state of poverty and ignorance. Can’t you see that?

    • nobsartist

      blame bush, rube.

      vote for willard. admit you are a chump.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Baloney “inthenameof liberty” you pompous blowhard who hides behind a fake name.

      You are paid off Rove operative. Period.

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels (like Foxnes, Limbaugh, beck and Rove believe) said it best:
      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
      “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
The 1930’s had the Brown Shirts.
The 1950’s had Joseph McCarthy
The 1980’s had Ronald Reagan
The late 1990’s had George Bush JR…
Today we have The Teaparty and the “red shirts.”
The American Right invented it’s imaginary Obama to try and get us to by into their fascism.
It didn’t work.
Obama is going to win.
      Electoral College alone will assure that.

  • ace

    I really would not think workers would vote for a guy that has destroyed more jobs than any President has ever before and if given 4 more he will destroy all jobs and every one will work for him for food stamps and a shack to live in ,

    • northroader1775

      Please check in with reality before you vote…you are seriously misinformed…here’s a tip FOX IS NOT NEWS…it’s just half a sound bite and 55 mins of opinion about that half ….NOT NEWS just go check for yourself it’s not hard. BTW the worst job record in histoy goes to Hoover…runner up Bush the second…Obama is actually doing fairly well considering his handicap.

    • Ace! I seriously doubt it.

      More like a knave but actually a deuce.

      Where are you getting your facts?