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GOP Primetime Debate Is What Republicans Deserve

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If the GOPeeWee debate was a chamber piece, the main stage show was arena rock: loud, soaring, inspiring for some, and occasionally incoherent.

It drummed up a few kernels of highly anticipated Donald Trump drama, but Fox News carefully choreographed the event so that there were no significant implosions that could put a dent in conservatives’ efforts to expand their base. Questions about gay marriage were directed to moderates; erst-Democratic supporter Donald Trump was not pressed on his belief in God; and the issue of whether or not to shut down the government did not take center stage. And yet, unlike the tamer late-afternoon debate, the candidates were not shy about being combative with each other.

Of the 17 GOP candidates, 10 were elevated to the primetime stage before a boisterous crowd at the Quicken Loans Arena in downtown Cleveland Thursday night: Ohio governor John Kasich, business tycoon Donald Trump, Dr. Ben Carson, Florida senator Marco Rubio, New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Texas senator Ted Cruz, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, Kentucky senator Rand Paul, and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee.

Rand Paul, in particular, seemed eager to carve out a niche for himself as a (in his words) “different kind of Republican” who explicitly rejected the party line on a number of fronts: regarding domestic spying programs, he said “I don’t trust President Obama with our records,” and rather than take a hard line on gay marriage, he clung to his libertarian outlook: “I don’t want my marriage or my guns registered in Washington,” he said.

Moderators Bret Baier, Megyn Kelly, and Chris Wallace kicked off the circus by demanding that each candidate on stage swear that he (they were all men) would support the eventual Republican nominee, and not try to mount an independent campaign. Trump raised his hand, indicating his refusal to swear to that, which was met with loud boos.

Donald Trump pledged he would not run as an independent on the condition that he respected the eventual GOP nominee. “I want to run as the Republican nominee,” he said, but would not concede that he would bow out gracefully in the event that he lost.

“Maybe he supports Clinton,” Paul interjected — to which Trump snapped back: “I’ve given him [Paul] plenty of money.”

This exchange set the combative tone for the evening, in which candidates squared off against each other in split-screen tête-à-têtes rather than respond directly to moderators’ questions.

To take just one example: When Christie argued that Paul’s efforts to curtail domestic spying programs were naive and dangerous because they enabled domestic terrorism, Paul accused Christie of fundamentally misunderstanding the Bill of Rights, and — even worse — mentioned the incident where Christie put his arm around President Obama after Hurricane Sandy.

Dr. Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon, spoke of his belief in the human capacity to learn and innovate, mainly as a way of deflecting attention from his own glaring political inexperience. When asked about the ethical problems posed by waterboarding, he said simply that it should not be public knowledge that waterboarding is even inAmerica’s arsenal. “How we get the information we need,” he said, “is our business.”

Florida senator Marco Rubio was challenged on his lack of experience in executive leadership, to which he responded that the election “cannot be a résumé competition” because if it were, then Hillary Clinton would be the next president.

Bush, in a defensive role, angling to preserve his tentative position as the frontrunner whose name is not Trump, distanced himself from his dynastic surname by affirming that he was his “own man,” that indeed the bar was higher for him because he had to work even harder to establish his own credibility as a candidate, separate from his family’s record. He responded to criticism over his support of Common Core by saying that there had to be standards in education, whether they were set at the state or federal level, and seemed to finally come around on the question of the Iraq War — “knowing what we know now,” of course

Trump had to confront his past life as a Democratic supporter when he faced criticisms that he may be a liberal in disguise: “I am pro-life,” he said. He claimed that he hated the concept of abortion, a subject on which he had “very much evolved.” When moderator Megyn Kelly raked him over the coals for his habit of misogynistic remarks, criticizing women for their appearance, he responded: “Only Rosie O’Donnell,” which was met with loud applause.

If anyone “won” the evening, it was Ohio governor John Kasich, the late entrant into the field who edged out Rick Perry for the #10 spot and enjoyed a home-court advantage. Kasich touted his résumé as a fiscal hawk (which included a stint chairing the House Budget Committee), defended his decision to expand Medicaid in his state as a moral imperative, and came across as relatively level headed on the issue of marriage equality, saying that the Supreme Court had issued its decision, and he would accept it.

Cruz firmly established his credentials as a conservative on all fronts, calling himself a “consistent conservative” — fiscally, socially, on domestic and foreign policy. Although the moderators knew better than to give him a platform to express his feelings about gay marriage. “I believe the American people are looking for someone to speak the truth,” he said. “I will always tell the truth.” He vowed to rescind Obama’s “illegal” executive actions, persecute Planned Parenthood, and cancel the deal with Iran.

Huckabee — perhaps sensing he was in danger of losing ground on the social conservative front — vowed to extend the protections of the 5th and 14th amendments to the Constitution to extend to fertilized embryos. Promises to defund Planned Parenthood did not go far enough, he said, and he vowed to extend personhood rights to unborn fetuses. Moreover, he asserted that social programs like welfare exist only for the benefit of, among others, “pimps and drug dealers feeding off the system.”

The first (well, the second) of many, many debates, it was a symphony of controlled chaos, of choreographed outrage, of antics that, however crass, fall well within the boundaries of what passes for political discourse these days.

Each of the candidates delivered more of the same, but Republican voters looking outside the realm of the controlled and the choreographed may turn to Kasich, the black sheep who quietly stole the stage one moment at a time, and Rubio, the son of immigrants who glibly denied ever taking a cent from Trump and whose campaign has emphasized the theme of a “new American century.”

It was not the Republican debate we need right now, but it may be the one Republicans deserve.

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Sam Reisman

Sam Reisman is the former managing editor at The National Memo, where he still writes the weekly "This Week In Crazy" column. His writing has appeared in Flavorpill, The Huffington Post, Columbia Daily Spectator, and Bwog. He was the publisher of the 2010 edition of Inside New York, an annual guidebook to the city for students and young professionals.

Since 2011, he has co-curated and hosted Peculiar Streams, a showcase for NYC-based writers, musicians, comedians, and filmmakers. He is a staff writer at Mediaite, and blogs at SamReisman.com.

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  1. Dominick Vila August 7, 2015

    The most glaring evidence emanating from this pathetic debate was the fact that Republicans are, indeed, determined to take the USA back to the 1950s. Anything that represents social progress, and anything that helps the poor and the middle class, is a demonstration of evil, waste, and a target to be eliminated. Their contempt for Social Security, and all social programs, was evident, and so was their determination to destroy them. Their determination to oppose the nuclear agreement with Iran was not surprising, considering their unconditional allegiance, and their subservient attitude towards Saudi Arabia, the country most responsible for 9/11. Their rationale they offered on most issues was not based on evidence or even logic, but on the traditional talking points used so often by the GOP to scare a naive electorate by citing potential threats or by capitalizing on prejudices and fear of change rather than facts.
    The level of arrogance and narcissism demonstrate by Donald Trump, the callous remark he made about Rosie O’Donnel, and the condescending and threatening way he spoke to Megyn Kelly, give credence to the claims that he is a male chauvinist pig. This man is plain disgusting.
    The best prepared were, in my opinion, Kasich, Rubio, Dr. Carson, and Bush, although the latter appeared to be on the defensive and is likely to drop in the polls. His support of Common Core and educational standards is enough to destroy his candidacy, when we consider that he is dealing with a segment of our electorate determined to destroy the Department of Education, and oppose helping all students financially to ensure they are not burdened with a huge debt by the time they graduate from college.

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    1. Matforce August 7, 2015

      Good post. “Republicans are, indeed, determined to take the USA back to the 50s,” may have been too generalized a statement, however.
      Can you imagine the robe rending, knashing of teeth, hands covering their ears, and blood curdling screams of blasthome, should a fellow conservative whisper a return to the 90% marginal tax rate our top earners were assessed in the 50s? LOL

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      1. Dominick Vila August 7, 2015

        Most Republicans are either unaware, or prefer to ignore that tax rates that existed in the Eisenhower days. Their focus is on social and demographic issues such as illegal immigration, abortion, marriage equality, elimination of public education and social programs, and a return to the days when everybody knew their place in society, including which cafeterias to go to and where to seat when they rode a bus.

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        1. Matforce August 7, 2015

          You got it! All divisive issues that skirt the real cause of the demise of the USA. Namely: money for influence that begets more $$$money$$$

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    2. 788eddie August 7, 2015

      Good post, Dominick. I agree with your analysis.

      As I have commented elsewhere, it was interesting to note that some of the candidates, like Trump, referred to building a “wall” to protect the border, while others, like Rubio, refers to building a “fence.” Difference in tone, eh?

      And will this “wall” (or “fence”) be on our southern or northern border? (I’ll bet it’s not where the white people are.)

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      1. Matforce August 7, 2015

        Haha! My beautiful wife & I were celebrating our anniversary at a Massachusetts Bed & Breakfast, and got to talking with a Canadian family. They think the current GOP is off its rocker, and are actually “worried” about the way their southern neighbor has sold out, putting all its eggs in the Wall Street basket..

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        1. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

          Butt they aren’t immune They have Harper, another GWB wannabe.

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      2. Dominick Vila August 7, 2015

        The location of higher walls (they already exist, and have not prevented people from entering the USA illegally) is, obviously, along our Southern border. I thought Rubio’s comment about the fact that most illegal immigrants currently entering the country were from Central American countries rather than Mexico, was an interesting acknowledgment, and a shot across the bow of S.S. Trump.

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        1. Independent1 August 7, 2015

          And unfortunately, what a lot of these candidates spouting about building walls, is their lack of realization that the existing wall that Obama went ahead an completed that Bush had started, is not only hastening the demise of some endangered species by separating them from their normal hunting/grazing grounds, but it has also resulted in considerable damage to the terrain where the walls are because of increased flooding and erosion; and on top of environmental damage, a number of people have died because
          they were separated from where they normally got their food or were drowned in the flooding created by the wall.

          And as you pointed out, you just can’t build walls that are going to really keep people out, unless you do like the communists did during the cold war and include guard towers every couple hundred feet staffed by machine gunners. Which given the length of our southern wall would add up to quite an ongoing expense just from staffing and the cost of bullets.

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          1. Dominick Vila August 8, 2015

            Don’t forget that for many Republicans concern over environmental issues is limited to how much money is at stake, and how the business community is or is not impacted.
            The reminder of what happened to people trying to escape East Germany during the Cold War is an appropriate analogy, but a dangerous reminder of something that some people may consider an effective deterrent to something they hate.

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          2. plc97477 August 9, 2015

            Plus it would make the rio grande a bloody mess.

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    3. prenestino August 7, 2015

      What is bizarre is that millions of people who desperately need these programs you refer to will still vote for those who want to take them away. I have talked to them, and they are unflappable.

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  2. charleo1 August 7, 2015

    Rank, and file Republicans, you deserve better than this disgrace. Donors, you should demand a refund. Faithful Conservatives, did you realize this is what these idiots think you want to hear? Is it any wonder, Trump, a candidate more akin to the scum that rises to the top of a a stagnant sewage dump, than a serious candidate for President, is leading this ridiculous flimflam. It begs the question, how has the Grand Old Party come to this? With a full 40% of the GOP base now in full rebellion against their Party, political chaos reigns, and anything goes. Trump is merely a stand-in, a man of the hour, for what could be any one of a number of opportunistic reality, NASCAR, or Championship Wrestling Stars, with a smart Alec attitude. Who’s campaign motto could just as well be, “None of the above.” I would say to Conservatives, not that you are listening to anyone right now. But I would say, wise up, get serious, and get your act together. Turn off the Fox News, and the Rush Limbaugh, and educate yourselves with facts. Your Party is in deep trouble, and your Country misses your informed input. Judging from the competition last night, it’s obviously far too late for your Party this time. Perhaps by 2024. And relax, okay? We’ve got this. The World is not coming to an end over your losing another Presidential election. You ain’t heavy, you’re our Brothers.

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    1. John Murchison August 7, 2015

      Well put. Republicans get your act together and save your party from this madness! We need two parties in this two party system after all.

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    2. Looner August 7, 2015

      Well said.

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      1. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

        Loony,
        There you go !!
        Excellent, insightful post !!
        “Well said.” Brilliant.

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    3. prenestino August 7, 2015

      Your comments on Trump are no hyperbole. Your advice to Conservatives to turn off FOX “news” and stop being played hit the nail on the head. Have you ever tried to have a rational conversation with a FOX Dittohead? I have, and it’s scary.

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      1. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

        pren,
        You?
        Rational conversation?
        You???!!!
        Ha, ha, ha, haaaaaa!!!!

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      2. plc97477 August 9, 2015

        When the gotp goes belly up and it will, unless something changes, the blame can be placed squarely on faux news.

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    4. CrankyToo August 7, 2015

      Good post, C1 – all except the “You ain’t heavy” part.

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      1. charleo1 August 7, 2015

        Well, burdensome, yes. But our fellow Americans too heavy? Never.
        I do believe at some point we have to come together, or we’re lost.

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    5. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

      charleo, you dummy,
      If all the candidates are such a disaster, why are you soooo worried??

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  3. Eleanore Whitaker August 7, 2015

    Awwww…how adorable….Not a single woman on that stage? Gee…is this supposed to be the patina of the GOP…TOTAL MALE DOMINATION? What BS. Most Americans who care about the future of their children saw this display as pure CEO posturing.

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    1. oldtack August 7, 2015

      The lone woman, Fiorna ? was on the early empty stage debate. She was impressive. She was om morning Joe and sounded like she could pressure the hand picked goup. She is a sharp lady and a good speaker.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker August 7, 2015

        I was judging by the above photo. Carly Fiorina is a victim of the Old Boys Network. Just like in the Bible, Women in corporations need not apply. All of the most intelligent women I ever worked with in corporations knew that the CEO would be a male.

        Fiorina, at Hewlitt Packard, is what is known as the “token female” in order not make it appear that the company is dominated by male hierarchy.

        HP gave Fiorina only 2 years and from what I seen of the male sabotage in the corporations I worked for, she was not going to last more than that 2 years.

        One of the worst things I ever saw occurred back in 1983. Out of a staff in sales of 16 men and only 1 woman, the salesmen were given the choice sales territories to mine. When the lone woman was handed a piece of crap territory, she did what all women do, she succeeded in turning it completely around and became No. 1 in sales. The boys were furious! They accused her of cheating and even filching some of their territories…none of which was true.

        I could write a book on this kind of thing after 4+ decades in business.

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        1. prenestino August 7, 2015

          I wish you would write a book about it

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          1. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            It would be so boring !

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          2. Eleanore Whitaker August 8, 2015

            You know what is really, really funny? I was given the title “executive assistant” for reasons more than I realized. I always assumed working with CEOs was administrative. In an “executive assistant’s” position, the issues is keeping our mouths shut about what the CEOs do. They used to call that “proprietary information” even when it was personal. My office was never further than a wall between me and the CEO. I always found their executive board meetings to be a Fifth Dimension of CEO mentalities. The only reason I was allowed into these executive board meetings was before the dawn of tape recorders. I was an excellent steno and transcriber.

            It amused me that the CEO always loved “dictating” when he could easily have written a first draft for me to edit and rewrite. As for formulating corporate budgets at the end of every fiscal year, I lived in terror of how much of those “itemized” “additions” were legal.

            If there is one thing that employees are not privy to, it’s the gap between the time revenue comes in and the next pay period. Employees have NO idea how profitable that “GAP” in time really is. One employer I worked for used the payroll tax deductions from employees paychecks as his personal piggy bank ala Enron. What he would do is make the payroll impounds enough in advance of federal and state dispersal in an interest bearing account. That interest paid this guy’s son’s college tuition every year for half a decade.

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          3. prenestino August 8, 2015

            Eleanor – Now I REALLY wish you, or some one, would write book about it. It just may be a Best Seller.

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        2. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

          Lenny,
          Still with the “men against women” thing, huh ?
          I guess that’s the only “issue” that fits in that little (“little”, literally!!) brain of yours.
          Oh brother. Talk about a non-issue….

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      2. FT66 August 7, 2015

        This woman Carly Fiorina was rejected by our State in California to be the governor after burning millions of dollars of her own money in campaign. How can she be even considered to run the nation?

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        1. oldtack August 7, 2015

          I wasn’t implying I would vote for her. I know nothing about her except for what i read about her career problems. But – in this crowd of clowns last night she looked pretty good.

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          1. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            Yeah, and on this site of leftist/liberal clowns you look pretty good.
            ……. not.

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      3. ronlar August 7, 2015

        I agree.

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      4. prenestino August 7, 2015

        I think both she and Perry will benefit by the fact they were NOT on that stage. Even Rachel Maddow came to the defense of those winnowed out by FOX. Voters will be affected by this sleazy injustice and sympathize with them

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    2. neeceoooo August 7, 2015

      the party of “old white men”

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      1. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

        I’m old and white and wouldn’t be caught voting Republican since Dole.

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      2. paulyz August 9, 2015

        Incorrect, the GOP has 2 Hispanics, 1 Black, 1 Indian, & 1 Woman, while the Democrat/Socialust Party has 1old White man, 1 old White woman, & if Biden runs, another old White man. Also what’s his name, another White guy.

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    3. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

      Lenny dear:
      Your ignorance is so evident.

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  4. Polana August 7, 2015

    I think Dr Carson is on drugs, the way he talks he is high as a kite. None of them a good, but I will give a credit to Trump – he tell s like it’s. Who cares how he responded to the lame brain Megyn or whatever – (pepper spray is a vegetable her own words.
    She was nasty and got nasty back. Rubio? – U must be kidding. Bush – who??
    common Core – let them take the test ALL will fail.From all of them I would still pick Trump and Kasich. Over all – NONE. Can they do better than going back to 16 Century??
    I thought we go older not younger as the days, years go by and we are getting smarter not dumber. Not the GOP.
    They need to start all over again.
    Paul comment on Trump buying politicians – he is one of them. At least Trump runs on his own money and accomplish something, what all they accomplish – nothing – on Taxpayers payola and want more from us. Complain about government but wanted to be in it. ALL give a lip service and anybody who believes the BS is dumber than a door nail.

    They basically killing each other to see who’s got the better imaginary friend

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    1. Bosda August 7, 2015

      Vote Sanders for President.

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      1. Looner August 7, 2015

        How about Martin O’Malley or Jim Webb? I wish Elizabeth Warren or Kirsten Gillebrand were running this time.

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        1. Bosda August 7, 2015

          Warren would be OK.

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          1. RED August 7, 2015

            Personally I like Warren in the Senate. Love to see 59 more senators just like her and her be majority leader in 2017.

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        2. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

          Webb sucks, O’Malley doesn’t but he is going after Sanders Voters, not Hillary voters and as such he’s doing a major disservice to America.

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    2. The lucky one August 7, 2015

      Basically Trump’s message is “Me smart, you stupid” He said absolutely nothing of substance. Not that others were heavy into anything other than pandering but he came across as the most buffoonish, nan easy accomplishment in that group.

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    3. prenestino August 7, 2015

      I found reading your post difficult to understand, but on reflection find it very edifying. Still mystified by the “Tells it like it is” comment so many use in describing The Donald

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    4. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

      Trump says what he means and it’s almost all lies. Bernie Sanders says what he means and t’s 100% fact.

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    5. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

      Polana:
      I have told you before: learn to write in proper English, ….. or STFU.

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  5. Dan S August 7, 2015

    The only GOP candidate I could see myself supporting would be Gov. Kasich. He impressed me more than any of the other candidates & is the kind of President that could bring the Republicans back from the edge of imploding. As the field will inevitably thin hopefully Gov. Kasich will rise to the top.

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    1. charleo1 August 7, 2015

      Kasich knows how to talk. But as Governor, he cut education, and public services, just like the rest, to pay for tax breaks for his precious 1%-ers. Kasich. Just another slash, and burn Republican.

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    2. RED August 7, 2015

      I hear ya, Kasich is the real threat. I know what all the polls say but Kasich is the only one of these nut bags that could beat Clinton. Masochistic seems to still posses a few traits of humanity, unlike the other candidates who sold or tditch their humanity long ago. Don’t get me Kasich is still a Con which by definition means he’s a moron, just not the most ignorant of the morons.

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      1. bobnstuff August 7, 2015

        The way I look at him is 50% of what he does is good and helps people, the rest of the time he is just another Con. This makes him the best the Republicans have.

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        1. idamag August 7, 2015

          Looking for the lessor of the two evils.

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          1. bobnstuff August 7, 2015

            Isn’t that ll we get to do these days

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          2. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            “Lesser”, you Ydiot.
            Learn correct English spelling.

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        2. RED August 7, 2015

          Wow. I just re-read my own comment. And between auto correct and being in a hurry while typing on my phone, it’s a wonder how anyone comprehended it. Hehehe. Sorry, my bad

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    3. Independent1 August 7, 2015

      The problem in supporting a Republican for president today, no matter how rational he or she may sound, is that if you elect a Republican president, the GOP is more than likely going to keep control of Congress. And unfortunately, aside from our senator Susan Collins, every other GOP legislator is a diehard slash and burn Republican. So like in a number of states that have partially sane Republican governors who have wanted to expand Medicaid, for example, and been thwarted time and time again by rabid slash and burn state legislators; virtually the same thing would happen to a partially sane GOP president – a slash and burn Congress would keep him or her from doing anything to move America forward. Four to 8 years from now, America would still be moving toward being a 3rd world nation at the hands of the GOP. Our only hope for moving America forward is to elect an progressive and hopefully wrest the control of Congress from the GOP.

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      1. 1Zoe55 August 7, 2015

        The Republican/Teabaggers in Virginia have done just what you wrote: blocking Medicaid expansion to the poor in this Commonwealth. Governor McAuliff has tried repeatedly to get this expansion, but the very folks without health care vote Republican, so what can you do? We have a Democratic governor and two congressional senators, but these ignorant, slash-and-burn Repulicans control the state legislature. My hope is that this redistricting will be overturned by the courts and then, if Democrats turn out to vote, we can get rid of these Teabaggers and religious peopl on the State level.

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        1. prenestino August 7, 2015

          What is sick about what you write is that they don’t do this because they think it will make America better, but because of a fanatical ideology that one must get as much government as possible out of our lives. It’s like some religious absolute

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        2. idamag August 7, 2015

          Ideology is like a religion – possibly stronger. I have always said that if Jesus, himself, came to those ideologues and said they must choose between him or their political party, they would choose the party. It is like it is coming true, when they even go against the Pope because he is preaching the same sermons as Jesus did. Big money has been quite effective in teaching their ideologies to the common folk. Many of them never read anything that might not show their own beliefs in error.

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          1. David August 7, 2015

            The Demorats booed Jesus’ name at their convention! Scum….

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          2. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            They weren’t booing Jesus; they were booing mixing religion with politics; something you lowlife antiChristians can’t seem to understand.
            And answering a question you posed on a different thread: you’re a ‘lowlife’ to me because you support the Devil’s party that will do anything FOR MONEY include deliberately letting the poor and unfortunate DIE; just so MONEY CAN BE FED TO THE ALREADY WEALTHY!!! NOTHING COULD BE MORE ANTICHRISTIAN!!!

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          3. David August 7, 2015

            Obviously you live in a dream world. The Republcans are the Devil’s party because they “let the poor and unfortunate die”? Hmm….then what can be the Demorat party that supports the murder of 55 million babies? The abortion of these babies is murder. “I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.” Jeremiah 1-5

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          4. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            As I’ve told you several times: Banning abortions not only increases them, it increases women dying during botched abortions at the hands of quacks. Banning abortions is a play game of the DEVIL!!

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          5. David August 7, 2015

            Hmmm..by banning abortions more women will seek to have them? That is an interesting argument. Kind of like, by banning armed robbery, more people will rob banks. Right!

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          6. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            No, by banning legitamate abortion clinics that women can trust, you eliminate clinics THAT TALK OVER 250,000 WOMEN A YEAR FROM HAVING AN ABORTION!!

            Banning abortions DOES NOT STOP WOMEN FROM HAVING THEM, IT ONLY FORCES THEM TO FIND WAYS OUT OF STATE OR ON THE BLACKMARKET TO HAVE THEM DONE!!!!!!!!!!!

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          7. David August 7, 2015

            Murder is murder. Just because a woman is ‘inconvenienced” by her pregnancy does not justify killing a human being. Look at the video sent to you by Max. Does this not give you pause?

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          8. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            As I asked you before, are you calling God a murderer because 25-35% of pregnancies end up in NATURAL MISCARRIAGES THAT HE COULD HAVE PREVENTED????? HUH???????
            ABORTED FETUSES ARE NOT LIVING SOULS!!!!!!

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          9. David August 7, 2015

            You didn’t ask me before. A natural miscarriage is NOT murder. It is God’s will. Look at the video…what do you see? Tissue or living human being.

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          10. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            What is it with you sicko lowlife scumbags that you would show the ultrasound of a fetus near delivery (32 -34 weeks old), when what’s being discussed are abortions that occur mostly around 8-12 weeks or less, when the fetus looks more like a tumor than a baby?? Do you realize less than 5% of abortions occur past 16 weeks?? So why are you lowlifes showing ultrasounds of fetuses almost ready to be born when what’s being dicusses has nothing to do with fetuses at that trimester?????

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          11. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            OhSoDependent1:
            You S O B are truly, truly pathetic and crazy.
            Come on, be consistent!! NOW you very conveniently claim that when you previously claimed that a baby acquired his soul at the moment of his birth, and only then, you really meant that you were referring to “8-12 weeks or less”.
            You are the epitome of the dumbass, hypocritical CHARLATAN.
            Even Joe Biden would be ashamed of you ….

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          12. David August 8, 2015

            The truth hurts doesn’t it? Oh, ‘somewhere between 12 to 32 weeks’ of pregnancy life begins? When is that moment? Think about it. When does ‘life’ begin?

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          13. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            Oh! So you sickos actually believe God puts a soul in a fetus at conception just so he can flush over 700,000 souls down the drain every year??? Is that it lowlife??? Wow!! Are you sick or what!!

            What get’s aborted in the vast majority of abortions is nothing more than a mass o cells akin to a tumor. There’s no sould in them – God’s not heartless like you CREEPS!!!

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          14. prenestino August 7, 2015

            advanced, highly technical research on 20,00 embryos has failed to detect a single soul. I’ve used my special Soul Meter on antiabortionists with negative results.

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          15. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            prenestino, you confirmed Ydiot,
            You are trying hard, very hard, very hard indeed, to “outcrazy” and “outcruel” and “outidiot” OhSoDependent1 and “Robert Kennedy”.
            And, believe you me, even though that’s so hard, you are making great strides !!

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          16. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            Wow OhSoDependent1, you have outdone even yourself with you venomous posts this time.
            You ARE a crazy, crazy MMUtherfucker.
            I mean LITERALLY, clinically crazy.

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          17. David August 8, 2015

            “I knew you before I formed you in the womb.” Jeremiah 1:5

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          18. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            And by the way creep, do you know what it costs today to raise a baby to 18 years old?? The latest estimate is $275,000.
            What gives you or anyone else the right to saddle someone else with that kind of responsibility?? Are you willing to have government right a check for $275,000 to every woman who gets refused an abortion??

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          19. David August 8, 2015

            Ahhh…so now we put a value on the ‘inconvenience’ of having a child. If it was only a $100,000 would you let them live? $50,000? Heck, make it $10,000. What is the price for a life?

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          20. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

            You are a very stupid person.

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          21. prenestino August 7, 2015

            You are entirely correct. There is no point arguing with such a person. Worse is a brainwashed automaton

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          22. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            “Robert”:
            An IGNORAMUS like you should not be calling smart people like David “stupid”.
            As a matter of fact, an IGNORAMUS like you should not be calling ANYBODY “stupid”.
            P.S. – BTW, let’s remind your fellow kockroaches on this cesspool of liberal “thought” about what you said before about the roof of the venue where the Republican debate was held.
            You, IGNORAMUS arssehole, said: “What Republicans deserve would have been the collapse of the roof.”
            Yeah, “Robert”, those hateful Conservatives, who have the gall to say that a baby is alive and has a soul before the moment of his birth, should all be buried alive under the structural roof of the QuickenLoans Arena, don’t you think??

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          23. David August 8, 2015

            Oh, I see. If I disagree with you, then I am a “‘very stupid person”. You are quite taken with yourself, aren’t you?

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          24. Robert Kennedy August 8, 2015

            No, just insightful. What you posted is not true and if you believe t ARE a very stupid person.

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          25. David August 8, 2015

            Hmm… your ‘insightfulness’ is based upon you being able to call someone “stupid”? I don’t think so. Have a blessed day.

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          26. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            The Devil’s party was told numerous times that not expanding Medicaid would end up in people dying due to the lack of healthcare. They clearly haven’t cared as they’re still fighting expanding Medicaid.

            Here’s a graph that shows that as many as 17,000 were projected to die in just 2014 alone thanks to the Devil’s party:

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          27. David August 7, 2015

            What is the source of your “data”? Devil’s party? Is that the party who supports the murder of 55 million babies? Oh, wait…that’s the Demorats!!!

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          28. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            And there you go spewing more outright lies and distortions of the truth – abortions are not murdering anyone, but unborn fetuses ARE NOT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

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          29. David August 7, 2015

            OMG…thank you for providing this. What more damning evidence for the murder of innocents could there be except for the word of our God in Jeremiah 1:5.

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          30. Max_ August 7, 2015

            Yeah I am not a Christian but I do know Right from Wrong, and just because a baby happens to be behind a flap of skin doesn’t make him or her a it to be flushed down the toilet or parted out by evil ghoulish monsters… This independent1 is one of the most fanatical hateful creatures I have come across, and that is saying something considering the fact that as a hobby of sorts I like to confront Liberal and even some Conservative trolls and poke fun at them, this particular one and it’s cohorts stand out as demonic…
            PS; this one keeps saying it is pretty old but to here it talk it sounds like a Pup a Kid of very little life experience.. Either that or it has been terribly hurt and has been left very bitter and horribly damaged…

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          31. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            There you go with that mentally retarded bit again!! You and the idiot David just can’t get it through your thick heads that banning abortions DOES NOT STOP ABORTIONS!!!

            When are you going to wake up to the fact that if a woman does not want to deliver a fetus to term GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO STOP HER FROM DOING THAT!! FROM GETTING AN ABORTION!!!

            If there are no abortion clinics where she lives, she’ll either drive to where they are legal, or if she can’t afford to drive, she’ll look for somenone on the blackmarket to perform one.
            And that’s where the rub comes in — blackmarket abortions are often deadly for women because they’re performed by quacks who try using a coat hanger as an abortion instrument.
            So what happens when you ban abortions – YOU END UP WITH MORE FETUSES DEAD AND MORE WOMEN DEAD!!!

            WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!

            YOU’RE KILLING MORE HUMANS NOT SAVING ANY!!!
            Do you realize Planned Parenthood discourages almost 25% of the women who come to them for an abortion from having one??? Over 250,000 abortions are prevented a year. Who’s going to do that if PP is not there???

            YOU’RE NOTHING BUT TOTAL IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!

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          32. Max_ August 7, 2015

            Told ya Ha ha ha …

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          33. Max_ August 7, 2015

            I think you forgot the word “NO” You said “Government is going to stop her doing that” I think if a woman wants an abortion she should be sterilized either reversibly or irreversibly, but sterilizer just the same.. There is very good birth control and people are all to cavalier about abortion and the responsibilities associated with sexual activity now a days.. Too just KILL a living viable Human Being as a matter of convenience because of irresponsibility is WRONG!!! WRONG!!! WRONG!!!… Dummy; If you weren’t such a evil cuss i could almost feel sorry for ya, you have been so mislead.. It is very Sad..

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          34. David August 8, 2015

            Max —
            I again thank you for providing the video. I agree with you, Independent1 is either very young or has suffered some great pain in the past. Have a blessed day!

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          35. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

            Is that the only verse you know?

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          36. David August 8, 2015

            Actually, I know a few more. But, if it was the only one, it probably would be more than what you know. Have a blessed day.

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          37. prenestino August 7, 2015

            You’re not very smart, are you, David? Why do you write like a brainwashed ditto head?

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          38. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            prenestino, you cretin:
            You are the ” brainwashed” ditto head here.
            Then again, I am wrong. To be ” BRAINWASHED” you first need to have a brain….

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          39. prenestino August 7, 2015

            Fine Max. This is why the great majority of persons object to Late Term Abortions, abortion of viable fetuses. Now what about embryos, and early first trimester fetuses? Not nice of you to call anyone a fckng moron. First try to impress us with your adequate intellect.

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          40. Max_ August 7, 2015

            Ha ha ha ..You don’t know Independent1 very well do you?

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          41. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            Max:
            The problem here is that it is not only SoDependent1 who is a fcking morrron P O S, but that “prenestino” is his (most advanced) disciple ….
            LOL !!!

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          42. Independent1 August 8, 2015

            Ahhh!! The blind leading the blind??? Aren’t we!!!

            Pope Francis sure got it right when he observed:

            10. Capitalism has lost its moral compass, turned its back on God

            Pope: “Behind capitalist economics lurks a rejection of ethics and God that debases humans. This lack of morality and ethics results in God calling for solutions outside marketplace economics, to make it possible for a more balanced and humane
            social order.”

            The LUST of Capitalism has turned you worthless lowlifes into nothing BUT PATHOLOGICAL LIARS!!!!!!

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          43. Max_ August 8, 2015

            I wasn’t aware of that, I bumped into Independent1 some time back s/he attacked me out of the blue, I forget for what now but s/he was extraordinarily vicious over something that was fairly mundane as I remember, so I have been following it ever since, not closely only when I see something that is so stupid I can’t let it slide.. I got the feeling he is a she (Don’t know why) just got that feeling, But what ever it is it is fcked up to the MAX!! terribly disturbed, Absolutely everything it publishes is extreme propaganda BS, I sometimes wonder just who its target audience is, whoever it is they must be dumb as hell, if they buy into it… I think both party’s are corrupt as hell, Hell I think the entire system is corrupt as Hell, s/he try’s to make the Demoncrats look and sound like angels… Total BS…

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          44. David August 7, 2015

            If a women wants to give birth then its a baby. If not, then it is “fetal tissue”. Oh yes, they have a soul. “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.” Jeremiah 1:5 NIV

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          45. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            He knows the souls that are actually given to fetuses when they actually take their first breath, but given that 25-35% of pregnancies end up IN NATURAL MISCARRIAGES!! God is not implanting thouse souls that he knows until they successfully ARE BORN!!!!!!!
            Sorry, given that 25-35% of pregnancies end up IN NATURAL MISCARRIAGES – ARE YOU ALSO CALLING GOD A MURDERER BECAUSE HE COULD HAVE PREVENTED THOSE MISCARRIAGES?? HUH!!! SORRY LOWLIFE!!!

            ABORTED FETUSES ARE NOT LIVING SOULS!!!!!!

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          46. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

            Don’t expect a rational answer from an irrational phony Christian troll.

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          47. plc97477 August 9, 2015

            One of our politicians called god a pimp so I guess he has become a republican.

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          48. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

            Your imaginary friend didn’t and doesn’t know anyone.

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          49. David August 8, 2015

            My God is not imaginary. He is my friend and He knows EVERYTHING! I do honestly hope that a day comes when you realize that we aren’t here because of luck and the chance couplings of some molecules in a mud puddle 10 billion years ago. Have a blessed day.

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          50. Sand_Cat August 8, 2015

            That’s the best: you make some hateful little post, then give an insincere “have a blessed day” when challenged.
            Hypocrite.

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          51. David August 8, 2015

            It was not hateful and it was not insincere. Have a blessed day.

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          52. Eleanore Whitaker August 7, 2015

            Independent1…the joke is that there is a wonderful book that proves David so wrong about those Biblical passages he posts. The book is one you might find truly interesting, “The Bloodline of the Holy Grail” by Laurence Gardiner.

            I only mention it because until I read this book, as a Catholic, I believe in those Garden of Eden, talking snake, Bad Eve/Good Adam, Cain and Abel and the rest of the Biblical passages.

            Did you know that the Christian Church refused to allow ALL of the Qumran scrolls found to be part of the King James or Catholic Bible? And, there’s one very interesting passage loonies like David won’t admit. In the early days of the Hebrew religion, there actually were three phases of marriage? A man and woman could live together and not be considered married until they met the Hebrew tradition of the 3rd phase? This was mainly to give the male a chance to reconsider his choice of a wife.

            Read the book and you see just how idiotic David’s claims are when presented in the true light of the ancient Hebrew past.

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          53. David August 8, 2015

            Eleanore! Glad to have you back! But, as usual, you have some problems with what you wrote. First, the book was written by Laurence Gardner not Gardiner. Second, it is an interesting read. Especially if you subscribe to the notions that: 1. Jesus was born as a result of the sexual union of Mary and Joseph; 2. Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene; and, 3. Jesus had two sons. There are more claims made in the book, but these strike me as the most interesting. Maybe Gardner was in on preparing The DaVinci Code? Third, there were TWO phases of marriage for the early Hebrews — not three. ‘Kiddushin’ which was the betrothal stage that could last up to a year, and Nisu’in which was the physical consummation of the marriage. Husband and wife were not permitted to live together until the Nisu’in. I enjoy having your opinion, but I do wish you would be accurate in the so-called “facts” you present. Have a blessed day!

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          54. Eleanore Whitaker August 8, 2015

            Here’s a biblical story for you: Once upon a time, a slave woman, born a son named Dahveed. The child had NO father. As Dahveed grew, that illegitimate status poisoned little Dahveed’s mind.

            With not much in the way of ambition, Dahveed grew into an ornery contrary man who has no respect for anyone else’s opinion, butts his beak nose into any post just to get attention like a spoiled child.

            Here is what Gardner wrote regarding marriage: “Not only was the heir to the Davidic line obliged by law to marry, but he was also required to have at least two sons.” Jesus was heir to the Davidic line through his mother. As you know, Jews all determine their ancestry through their maternal, not paternal, genealogy.

            I really don’t care what you think of “The Bloodline of the Holy Grail.” Gardner or my misspelling of his last name.

            You should have the pedigree Gardner has: Prior of the Celtic Church’s Sacred Kindred of Saint Columba, an internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist, a Presidential attache to the European Council of Princes, Jacobite Historiographer Royal, among many other titles.

            Some of the data in this book was also from the famous Barbara Thiering.

            I didn’t find anything remotely similar to the DaVinci Code from Dan Brown. Gardner’s book was first published in 1996 according to the information on the inside page. DaVinci Code by Dan Brown was first published March 18, 2013. So, you are wrong. There could NOT have been a collusion between Gardner and Brown. It is more likely Brown was inspired by Gardner’s book since there is a difference of more than a decade between first publishings.

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          55. David August 8, 2015

            Hmmm…no father? That is an impossibility. Jews determine their ancestry through Tribe, Clan and House. Try again.

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          56. Eleanore Whitaker August 8, 2015

            David, I am fed up with your mentally ill need to always contradict. I never posted Jesus had no father. I said he in of the lineage of David.

            Since I have two very close Jewish friends who are males, make no mistake…All Jews are considered Jewish if their mother is Jewish. That you don’t know this shows what a squalid brain you have.

            So, in order to prove just how mentally ill you are, from now on I am counting the number of times you contradict my posts.

            This is Contradiction No. 1…Want to try for more? I am more than up to your sicko need to contradict.

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          57. David August 8, 2015

            Contradiction No. 2 – Dahveed (me) does have a father. I am just enjoying your umbrage at my pointing out errors in your posts. Have a blessed day!

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          58. Eleanore Whitaker August 8, 2015

            And pray tell, who died and appointed you Master of Error Corrections? Most males have more than one father…take the hint.

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          59. David August 8, 2015

            No one died and appointed me anything. I don’t like to see error and fiction portrayed as fact. “Most males have more than one father..”? Eleanore!! Are you starting to let that penis envy cloud your thinking again?

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          60. Eleanore Whitaker August 8, 2015

            My friend was married at age 20 and had 2 children of their biological father. He died at age 30. She remarried and her children had a 2nd father..technically, “step” father. Then, he took off and they divorced. She married a 3rd time…another step father…so..you are wrong.

            As for penis envy, you’d have to actually have one to be envious of. As such a limp noodle doesn’t count.

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          61. David August 8, 2015

            By the term, “father” is meant the donor of the sperm. More correctly called the “biological” father. There have been many, many stepfathers who have been, in every other sense of the word, the real “father” to a child. What do you mean by “Most males have more than one father.”?
            Hmmm…now you are saying you know what my penis looks like? How did you come by that information or is it another one of your fantasies?

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          62. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

            Oh, I see: The “zygote” is not a baby, and the baby does not acquire a soul until the moment of birth.
            Some (despicable) people like you, SoDependent1, NEVER acquired a soul.

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          63. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

            Speaking of name calling…and not particularly clever, either.

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          64. David August 8, 2015

            ‘Clever’ is in the eye of the beholder.

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          65. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

            A fetus is NOT a baby. But after they are born they are and that is when you desert tem and sentence living people to death from neglect. The love of money is the root of all evil and since the one and only thing Republicans respect is money they are evil.

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          66. prenestino August 7, 2015

            Those whose religion tells them an embryo is a person see others
            as less moral than they are for not belonging to their religion. An embryo is NOT a person. Why? Because MY religion tells me so, and THEIR religion is incorrect. I support Planned Parenthood because it does more than any other organization to prevent abortion. It is NOT PRO-LIFE to be against Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare,thus I have little respect for their point of view and resent their trying to ram their sick religion down the throat of the entire nation

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          67. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

            “I support Planned Parenthood because it does more than any other organization to prevent abortion.”
            WHHAAATTT???!!!!
            Where does TNM find sssnakes and rodents like this guy??

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          68. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            What?? You resent someone with a brain who actually tells the truth when you’re nothing but a pathogilical lying dimwitted idiot??

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          69. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            “Someone with a brain” ??!!
            YOU??!!
            Ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaa!!!
            You OhSoDependent1, are clinically, certifiably CRAZY.
            I am sorry for you, for your sorry, empty life, and for the fact that you are off your rocker.
            Do try, try hard, to get a life?

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          70. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            Hey SoooDependent1,
            I am “pathogilical”, you say???!!
            Seeems to me (actually to everybody with half a brain here!) that YOU idiot are the dimwitted dumbass!!!
            You are so dumb that you make fun of yourself without realizing it !!
            Your having a brain you mention in happy jest, right??

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          71. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            Whatt?? You say that I am a “pathogilical” dimwit??!!
            Learn English, you idiot retard.
            LOL !!

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          72. Allan Richardson August 8, 2015

            It happens to be true, because good contraception, properly used, DOES prevent abortion. Considering 97 percent of PP work is contraception, the other 3 percent is rather minor.

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          73. David August 8, 2015

            Please reread your Bible. “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Tim. 6:10 Not ALL evil. You seriously think that ‘birth’ is what determines life? The fetus has eyes, mouth, hands, feet, a brain. It can feel pain. It has a soul.

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          74. plc97477 August 9, 2015

            The funny part about it is that the respect of money made Trump the force he is. Makes me giggle when I think of their monster they made and how it is making them look.

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          75. neeceoooo August 7, 2015

            Just so you know, this phrase is referencing God speaking to Jeremiah and telling him that he would make him a prophet. It does not say anything about when a fetus become a baby.

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          76. David August 7, 2015

            Wake up neeceoooo…if God would know Jeremiah before he was formed in the womb, He knows all humans. Even the ones murdered by abortion.

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          77. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

            I don’t want to be offensive, but the God described by most fundamentalist Christians is pretty much a dousche, so i really don’t care.

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          78. David August 8, 2015

            I don’t know what a “dousche” is. I think you should be glad that our God loves you even though you can’t spell.

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          79. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

            It is you who live in a dream world.

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          80. idamag August 7, 2015

            I come from a long line of Republicans. Those fascists that call themselves Republicans, now are anti-American. If david dumbass is an example of a Christian, I wouldn’t want to be one. To make the statement, that he did, shows he is one of the hate-mongering liars that are no where near what Republicans are supposed to be. I listened to all the rallies and debates and I know exactly what was said and there was no booing of Christ. The Bible says you shall know them by their fruitage. Hate and lying is what I know them by.

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          81. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

            ida:
            By “hate mongering liars” do you mean a Mr. ” Robert Kennedy”, a hateful sssnake who said (see above), regarding the roof of the venue where the Republicans had last night’s debate that “What Republicans deserve would have been the collapse of the roof.”
            ida, sweetie, David is a smart man; YOU are the dumbass here.

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          82. Allan Richardson August 8, 2015

            You really don’t understand the difference between humorous exaggeration (like when a past Republican said if they didn’t get the election results they liked, there was a “Second Amendment” solution) and serious threats.

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          83. Name August 7, 2015

            David, stop spreading your lies. You’re just another dumbass that was dumbed down by faux noise. You spew the same damn stuff. You definitely need a change in your life

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          84. David August 7, 2015

            You make no argument. You insult and call names. Hmm…I can see where an obviously highly intelligent individual like you is coming from.

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          85. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

            You make none, either.

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          86. Allan Richardson August 8, 2015

            You insulted yourself by making a false statement about the Democrats booing Jesus. If that had happened, everyone who watched the convention would remember it. Can you provide any video to substantiate your claim, or is it just like the “buses of illegal voters” and the “black helicopters coming after your gun?”

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          87. David August 8, 2015

            Check out youtube Search “democrats booing God at convention”. You will see and hear many demorat delegates booing the inclusion of the word ‘God’ back into their platform after it was removed. Have a blessed day.

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          88. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

            Colbert was right, “Truth has a liberal bias.”Conservatives not only lie like a rug, it’s almost a requirement Just ignore David D.Troll

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          89. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

            Idiot. The GOP mocks him far more effectively by their actions, Scum. And your GOP friends are, too.

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          90. David August 8, 2015

            Action? 55 million murdered? Oh, I see your point! And by the way, ‘Him’ is capitalized. Remember that when you stop your booing.

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          91. Sand_Cat August 8, 2015

            So, our little hypocrite “Christian” is back, harping on the same non-issue – booing for creeps like him rather than “Jesus” at the convention – as before, and trying to show us all how holy he is by being as offensive as possible. And what would happen to “Jesus” if he tried to come back and preach now? He’d be torn limb from limb by the “Christians” like you fighting over which fiendishly cruel form of execution to use on a “blasphemer” such as he. He’s nothing but a club to use on your political enemies and intellectual betters to “Christians” such as you.
            55 million is nothing to the death toll that would follow if you nasty little creeps got the theocracy you seek, not to mention most of the abortions to which you refer as murders were of embryos with virtually no nervous systems, while you guys love killing the real thing in the wars you promote. And lets talk about why there are so many abortions: could it be because scum like you do everything possible to deny people accurate knowledge about sex and access to birth control?
            And the best is your moronic suggestion that I capitalize “him” when referring to the guy you kicked upstairs and made divine so you could ignore most of what he said. There are a couple of little verses you need to consider: the ones about the log in one’s eye and the one about judgment of others, for starters.
            You are a sick and disgusting little creep who accomplishes nothing by assuring that anyone listening to you and watching your actions would NEVER consider joining up as a “Christian”; not anyone with intelligence, compassion, or integrity, anyway.

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          92. David August 8, 2015

            Jesus is our Lord and Savior. You think there are abortions because Republicans deny people “accurate knowledge about sex”? Who is the moron? Have a blessed day.

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          93. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

            Actually, they didn’t, but then maybe Jesus would be good with your lying to protect him…I think not!

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          94. David August 8, 2015

            Actually, they did… I watched it and I heard it. By the way, it’s ‘Him’ not ‘him’. Have a blessed day.

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          95. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

            No you didn’t. You heard them booing someone trying to insert religion into the party platform. Most Democrats are Christians. They just don’t think religion should be a part of their party’s platform. Once again, you better hope that “lying in the name of God” is found to be acceptable should there be a judgement day.

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          96. David August 8, 2015

            There will be a time of judgment. Youtube it.

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          97. Independent1 August 7, 2015

            Ida, if you haven’t seen this article from marketwatch, you may find it of interest:

            Opinion: Pope Francis’s ‘attendance’ at GOP debate is going to help sink the party

            An excerpt:

            Pope’s 10 new commandments are direct threat GOP’s conservative values

            So why’s his agenda so threatening? Based on the pope’s Vatican Climate Summit, he’ll reaffirm “human-induced climate change is a scientific reality,” which the GOP categorically denies. But most important, he’ll reinforce his 10 anticapitalist commandments from his core “Apostolic Exhortation.” Here’s the core message driving Pope Francis’s global revolution to save the world from “the dung of the devil,” out-of-control capitalism. So it’s time for Congress to listen closely to the man in the white suit:

            See more here:

            http://www.marketwatch.com/story/pope-franciss-attendance-at-gop-debate-is-going-to-help-sink-the-party-2015-08-05?page=2

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          98. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

            Francis is the Antichrist, according to the conservative “Christians.”
            Jesus wouldn’t get a chance to present the choice; they’d have him lynched before he got the words out.

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          99. Matforce August 7, 2015

            Jesus only recorded violent, angry outburst was when he addressed the money changers in the temple who he claimed turned the house of God into a “den of thieves.” Does anybody else see the similarities to what is happening in the USA today?

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          100. Allan Richardson August 8, 2015

            Good point. And even that was only a minor disruption in their day’s business. Jesus rejected violence to save himself or to spread his teachings: at his arrest, he rebuked Peter for trying to defend him, and healed the soldier’s ear of its wound.

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          101. Allan Richardson August 8, 2015

            As the old joke said about the return of Christ: “Get out the hammer and nails! It’s that troublemaker again.”

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      2. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

        Ha, ha, haaa.
        You WISH.

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        1. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

          You’re already in trouble with the Supreme Court rejecting your gerrymandering. How do you plan to win if you can’t cheat?

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          1. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

            Here’s back at you.
            How do YOU plan to win if illegals and non-citizens are not allowed to vote????

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          2. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

            Would this be a good time to bring up the FACT that the Bush administration spent four years and millions of dollars trying to find the voter fraud you are concerned about…even fired people who couldn’t find it…and the only thing they proved was that it didn’t exist? Oh, probably not. Facts always seem to confuse simple- minded conservatives

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    4. prenestino August 7, 2015

      I think you’re right. I am hoping the GOP nominee is Trump. I see him as the Democrat’s secret weapon. If he runs that party will be in total disgrace. The biggest supporters of the GOP are all the Democrats who don’t bother to vote. Republicans have always counted on this.

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    5. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

      Remember John Huntsman? If Kasich doesn’t get his act together and start talking mean and crazy, he hasn’t a prayer.

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    6. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

      He was adamantly against the auto bailout and now takes credit for Ohio’s bettering economy which is solely due to the bailout. He may seem sane, but he isn’t.

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      1. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

        Hey, “Robert Kennedy”:
        Are you the same “Robert Kennedy” that stated, in relation to the roof of the debate venue (see above) “What Republicans deserve would have been the collapse of the roof.” ??
        You should be ASHAMED, you PPOOSS.
        Quit using Robert Kennedy’s name, you venomous sssnake.
        How many “thumbs-up” have you received so far for that specific comment from your fellow kkkockroaches on this cesspool of liberal, hateful “thought” ??

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  6. ronlar August 7, 2015

    As always, the debate was long on theory and criticism of the status quo and short on policy and specific interventions that they support to improve our country moving forward. If you want answers, look elsewhere. The questions remain – if you want answers to questions such as, you have to wait until they’re elected: 1. how are you planning on making things better for the poor and a struggling middle class 2. if you do away with Obamacare, how do you handle health care needs 3. if you don’t have an agreement with Iran, what do you do to make things better in the middle east 4. how are you going to handle immigration issues, low wages, college costs & debt that’s out of control, etc. etc. For these pols, gay marriage, planned parenthood, and border security remain the number one issues. The biggest issue confronting the Republican party is that they all know what they’re against, but they really don’t have any ideas for moving forward; the same old, same old is not going to do it. After almost eight years, they still have only one big idea – anything Democrats and Obama are for, they’re against. PATHETIC

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    1. paulyz August 7, 2015

      Trouble with so many candidates on stage, there is very little time to explain anything in detail about policy. But in the very short time they had, I felt they got their points across pretty well.

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      1. prenestino August 7, 2015

        But does the large # on the stage matter? It would if any of them had much to say. I think every one of them said all they had to say. Only one of them could actually do “Brain Surgery”

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        1. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

          But he would find slim pickin’s trying to do brain surgery on that group!

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        2. paulyz August 9, 2015

          Carson won’t need to do brain surgery in DC, like he said, someone beat him to it.

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      2. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

        Republicans never explain. Democrats do, but with America’s short attention span that turns voters off. Republicans only have bumper sticker plans.

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        1. Matforce August 7, 2015

          They have mastered the art of deceptive rhetoric, divisive dog-whistle sound bites, and disingenuous, inflammatory red meat social issues that divide us and keep us at each other’s throats. But you gotta hand it to ’em, they know how to mobilize their gullible base, to get out the votes…

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    2. Matforce August 7, 2015

      Oh, they’re definitely FOR:
      1. Larger profit margins added to the already record profit margins of corporations.
      2. Tax breaks and access to offshore tax havens for our top 1%.
      3. Deregulation, and a smorgasbord of scorched Earth environmental protections elimination (see #1).
      4. Middle class workers must capitulate to the downward pressure on wages to compete for jobs (see #1 & #3).

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    3. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

      Answer to all your questions is “Nothing.”

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    4. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

      I only watched the first 30 minutes to see if anyone would tell the truth. No surprise, they didn’t.

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      1. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

        Was it after 30 minutes that you wished that the roof of the stadium would fall on them and kill them all, or was that wish incubated in your kkkockroach nest even before the debate started??

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    5. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

      But they did have answers if you were paying attention.
      1. How are you planning to make things better for the struggling middle class — lower the taxes for the wealthy and wait for the trickle down. 2. If you do away with Obamacare…adopt the Republic plan — Don’t get sick and if you do, die quickly. 3. If you don’t have an agreement with Iran…bomb them. 4. How are you going to handle immigration issue…bomb them. Low wages…import more immigrants that will work cheap. College costs…bomb them, they’re all liberals any way. Just because you don’t like their plans doesn’t mean they don’t have any. They do, its just that openly talking about them might not be politically viable.

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      1. ronlar August 9, 2015

        Thanks for straightening me out, Bob – guess I fell asleep too early – so, nothing’s changed ehhh! Same old movie reruns! Here’s an old song I hope you like!

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        1. Bob Eddy August 9, 2015

          Like the song says, the times they are a changing’…but the Republican party is not. Yes, they have learn to speak some sort of “dog whistle” language…until Trump came along to “speak the truth” voicing the things that most Republicans believe, but were losing them elections. So they avoided discussing publicly. There only hope now is that Democrats continue to sit out the critical “mid term elections” enabling them to hold onto power through small investments in small elections with huge concequenses like the Senate and governorships.

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  7. latebloomingrandma August 7, 2015

    The 2 guys that scare me the most are Cruz and Walker. There is something sinister about Cruz and Walker’s unbridled ambition has completely put him in the plutocrats’ pockets. If you read the article in the current “Nation” about him, it will give you chills. Carson didn’t say anything loony, but I’m not sure how the brilliance of a neurosurgeon translates into the high political office.The skill sets are not at all similar. Huckleberry is just a mean guy. Rubio talks about looking to the future, unlike Hillary Clinton he states, yet spouts forth failed ideas of the past. Trump did not sound presidential. He would NEVER be able to tone down his bombastic personality. He seems to think that going around the world declaring he is the greatest is all the country needs. Bush was OK, but the country really can’t tolerate another Bush .Kasich was the only one with the experience and temperament to be a reasonable POTUS. And Rand Paul is right—he IS different. He looked annoyed at everyone on the stage. Christie is too much like Trump without all the $$$.
    If this is the best of America, we’re doomed.

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    1. plc97477 August 7, 2015

      You will need to look to the other side of the isle to see “the best of America”.

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    2. The lucky one August 7, 2015

      Pretty accurate assessment

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    3. prenestino August 7, 2015

      They are certainly NOT the “best” of America, but we are certainly doomed if they actually get elected.A possibility considering the re-election of W after what he did in his first term

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      1. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

        Hope you’re right, but I think it’s WAY too early for a victory celebration.

        Actually, this comment is more to CrankyToo. prenestino is also right on.

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    4. CrankyToo August 7, 2015

      No, LBG – they’re doomed (the GOP).

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    5. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

      We should waterboarding but just not admit it!? Carson didn’t say anything loony? I beg to disagree!

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      1. latebloomingrandma August 8, 2015

        You’re right. I forgot about that.

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  8. Matforce August 7, 2015

    I’m waiting for a candidate; Republican or Democrat, to chart the course AWAY from the 35 year destination toward the pandering, corrupting, money-for-influence, stranglehold of moneyed, special interest (Plutocracy), and toward a USA that promotes the prosperity of ALL of her citizens. IMHO, Warren and Sanders are the only high profiles who are willing to state openly what needs to be done, and only one of them is running for the Presidency…

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    1. prenestino August 7, 2015

      I am with you on this, and will continue efforts despite my lack of belief this will ever actually happen. My mind is still reeling over what was displayed last night

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    2. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

      Then back Bernie Sanders.

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  9. FT66 August 7, 2015

    The three Fox moderators didn’t do their work as it was supposed to be. They asked Jeb Bush the same question again: “If you know now…….on Iraq war”. Jeb admitted the mistake was made, and quickly he jumped onto Pres. Obama. I wonder after Jeb admitted it was a mistake agaoin, why didn’t the moderators ask Jeb whether he has spoken with his Brother “W” on this deadly mistake? Oh! Fox News, why did you agree to monitor debates while it has been approved you have little expertise on dealing with debates?

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker August 7, 2015

      Now really, when your puppet president brother is attacked, wouldn’t you do a 360 revolution and attack the President who had nothing to do with the mistakes in Iraq? None the least began with handing Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater huge no bid contracts.

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      1. oldtack August 7, 2015

        Eleanor
        My apologies in advance for a comment I posted concerning you and CPA. After reading your heated exchanges with CPA I can only say “The Devil made me do it. I enjoy your posts.

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        1. Eleanore Whitaker August 7, 2015

          No problem. CPA is a sad, pathetic man who is all too used to having his own way. He lives in a society he can’t control and for him, that’s too much to bear. He hates anyone whom he cannot control. He is one of those individual who believes the only way to pump his own ego is to demolish others. He is of little consequence to me.

          I also don’t believe he has ever been a CPA. Whenever our CPA auditors came to my office, they were quiet as mice and rarely spoke more than two words. They spent the entire days pouring over the data I provide them from General Ledger, payroll, A/R, A/P, Purchasing and Inventory control reports.

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          1. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

            Lenore:
            You well know:
            1) That CPA is really a CPA;
            2) That CPA’s intelligence and “smarts” overshadow (oh boy, is that an understatement !!) yours, what little is left of them.
            3) That your alcoholism causes you to go off on incredible tangents.
            4) That oldtack, for some unfathomable reason, is afraid of you.

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  10. Chuck Edelstein August 7, 2015

    This was a FOX News scripted event to control the agenda and minimize potentially embarrassing moments. The so called candidates demonstrate how little the real issues will get serious attention from them. The middle class is eroding, climate change denial is pervasive. We still devote almost double the % of our GDP on medical care compared with comparable nations. The ghettos of the US have real unemployment rates that are still at depression levels of 25% unemployment. The US Supreme Court majority has embarked on decisions designed to deny minorities, especially black and the poor from voting. There are no limits to buying elections. With a new generation coming of age, we are creating a virtual aristocracy of people who are inheriting billions. Many of them have never worked, live lives far removed from the lives of most Americans. With their incredible wealth comes the power to deny the rest of us reasonable wages, working conditions fit for humans, support systems and funding for the most needy and infirm Americans. With half of retirees who have no income apart from social security, rather than prevent them from sinking further into poverty these aristocrats and their lackeys seek to destroy social security. Many of us have chiidren to support and elderly parents who are suffering from differenct forms of dementia to care for, all with little help from our communities and government. As Simon and Garfield sang, we lived so well so long – but its another day I am trying to get some rest.

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    1. CrankyToo August 7, 2015

      Well said (all except the Simon and Garfield part).

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      1. Chuck Edelstein August 7, 2015

        my apologies to simon and garfunkle

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      2. Allan Richardson August 8, 2015

        Garfield was a President of the United States who never had a chance to do anything in office because he was assassinated about a month or two into his term. He was apparently brilliant; you could ask him a question and he would say the answer in English, write it in Latin with one hand, and write it in Greek with the other, at the same time.

        Also a cartoon cat.

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        1. CrankyToo August 8, 2015

          Indeed? Thanks for that interesting little tidbit, Allan. I love history, as a subject. I do not, however, wish to go back and relive it – which is why I no longer support the Republican Party. The only good thing about the “good old days” is that they’re never coming back.

          Cheers, Bro. See you at the polling station…

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    2. oldtack August 7, 2015

      Right on.

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    3. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

      Your parents are not suffering from dementia.
      You are.

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  11. RichVee1 August 7, 2015

    What a bunch of asshats. To think that their solution to all the issues we are facing as a country and as a community and as a planet, all these wannabe’s could talk about is killing universal healthcare, erasing rights to abortion, and putting a fence up under Texas. God help us, and Godspeed to the Democratic nominee.

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  12. Sand_Cat August 7, 2015

    Well, John Kasich’s gone and done it: having revealed himself to be reasonably sane, intelligent, and compassionate (at least by GOP standards), he’s probably headed for the cellar.
    Cruz “always tells the truth”? I suppose in the sense that almost every statement he makes shows how dishonest and out-of-touch he is.

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  13. Robert Kennedy August 7, 2015

    hat Republicans deserve would have been the collapse of the roof.

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    1. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

      So much for “Republican” haters, don’t you think??
      “The collapse of the roof.” ?? And EVERYBODY dead?? You truly are a work of art. Or should I say a work in progress? Or, better still, a piece of $$hitt ??
      Then again, I can just imagine how many “thumbs-up” you will garner from the other kkockroaches (just like you) on this site: the bobnstuff, the idamag, the Carolyn1520, the Lenore Whiptaker, the Dependent1, the Sand_cat, the oldtack, the Cranky_Too, the neceoo, the latebloomingrandma, the johninPCFL, the Dominick Vila, and so many dumbasses on this site who call us Conservatives ” hateful”.
      SHAME on YOU, you rrrettarded hater.
      P.S. – The real Robert Kennedy, such a gentleman and a gentle man, must be rolling in his grave knowing that a venomous, hateful kkockroach as you are using his name to dddefecate on decency….

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      1. Independent1 August 8, 2015

        You realize of course, that considering how much death and destruction that at least 9 of those clown candidates participating in that fraud of a debate has reigned on America via their pathological lying; and their efforts to deny Medicaid expansion, cutting funding to virtually every program they can find and think of that supports the poor – such as SNAP and school lunch programs, and providing inadequate police and fire protection and on and on….That God actually reigned brimstone down on the people of Sodom to destroy that city; on people who had committed no more sin than those corrupt gangster-like politicians and the people like you who support their outright sinful destruction of our country.

        For God, watching that debate, was like watching the Jews that he led out of Egypt building the Golden Calf in the desert. A group of people so focused on themselves and MONEY that they had to sicken Him.

        And even the Pope can see that conservatives have turned Capitalism into nothing but their own GOLDEN CALF!!!

        1. Capitalists … are new worshipers of the biblical golden calf

        Pope: “Money must serve, not rule, yet we calmly accept its control over us. Money originated in a profound human crisis, the denial of the primacy of the human person. The worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money.”

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        1. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

          SoDependent1:
          I see now.
          The Republican pre-candidates and the audience all deserved to have the roof cave in on them and kill them all, …. according to you and now according to the Pope….
          Funny how you liberal idiots and hypocrites listen to the Pope on the “evils” of Capitalism and “man-caused” climate change but NOT on something (the real “inconvenient truth”) called “abortion”.
          Your hypocrisy is FLAGRANT, you certifiably crazy P O S.

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          1. Independent1 August 9, 2015

            The GOP has turned into the party of the Devil. Filled with politicians who clearly care more about Money than people’s lives. Thousands of Americans are dying every month because of the GOP’s idealogies – especially in red sates.

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          2. paulyz August 9, 2015

            You forgot the thousands harmed & murdered by Illegals released by Obama.

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          3. Independent1 August 9, 2015

            I haven’t forgotten anything you lying sac of crap. There are far fewer illegals in America today than when Obama took office. Not only did Obama follow through with what Bush started by finishing the building of the wall; and adding hundreds more guards along the border which has reduced illegals coming into America to the lowest levels in the past couple decades; he’s focused his administration on rounding up the troublesome illegals that are committing crimes and deported as many as the American legal system could handle – over 400,000/yr.

            On top of that, there are was a couple years when more illegals were leaving the country than coming in – resulting in there being far fewer dangerous criminal illegals in America than when Obama took office. And on top of that, illegals commit 8 times fewer crimes than native-born Americans. Illegals are not committing all the supposedly thousands of heinous crimes you pathological lying conservatives keep trying to claim their are.

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          4. paulyz August 14, 2015

            You need to tame your angry tirades into more socially acceptable patterbs of behavior. Dumbass, lol.

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          5. Independent1 August 14, 2015

            I’ll refer to you in more ‘socially acceptable patterns of behavior’ when you stop deliberately posting one lie after another in an attempted to deliberately mislead bloggers on the NM. No one asked for you to be here, and if you never posted on here again, every sane poster here would give a big cheer.

            And if you can’t see the lies you are posting, then you are clearly living in total denial. And given that even God lumps liars in with murderers and whoremongers, why would you suppose that I would refer to you (a pathological liar) in anything but very derogatory terms??

            See this from Revelations:

            Revelation 21:8

            But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

            And you fit right in there as ‘all liars’ just like a glove.

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          6. Max_ August 15, 2015

            LOL.. This is kinda fun to watch…
            Dependent1 is frigging insane!…
            She is like a evil propaganda machine…
            And you’d think quoting scripture would burn her mouth….

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        2. paulyz August 8, 2015

          News Flash! 24 MILLION view the Republican debates! What is the viewership of MSNBC, about 130,000? Ha. Ha. Haaaaaa

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          1. Independent1 August 8, 2015

            What?? Am I supposed to be impressed that a buffoon like Trump suckered 24 million low IQ Republicans into watching the GOP’s 1st Presidential Candidate Clown show for 2016 election???

            You don’t seriously believe that 15 months before the election t hat there were anyone other than Republicans or freak-show idiots wasting their time watching those debates do you??

            Remember, there are about 75 million registered Republicans who are more than enough to make up for that 25 million audience!! (37-38% of a 200 million potential electorate.)

            You can be sure no one that I’m familiar with would have wasted an evening watching 10 buffoons making total idiots of themselves like what actually happened that evening from what I’ve read in the news!!!

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          2. paulyz August 9, 2015

            Oh yeah, the guy that gets his “news” filtered for him without actually hearing the words or discussions. There were many watching that never even watched FOX News, & certainly many Independents & Democrats. Now we all know how uninformed you really are, you consider youself too brilliant to listen to others. Just put out your meaningless numbers as usual.

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      2. Matforce August 9, 2015

        Louis, if there’s an ounce of sincerity in your post, then you should visit forums under “Political Outcast,” “Last Resistance,” “Personal Liberty,” et.al, and spend some time reviewing the right’s “militants faithful” disemboweling those whose plea for the uniting of a divided USA, or those who argue for a balance in national policy between “moneyed interest” and that of the interest of its working class, or even that of the interest of the USA herself, for some perspective.

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  14. Louis Allen August 7, 2015

    The author, a Mr. Reisman, after such a pathetic rant, would have us believe that he has a modicum of “balance” in his article by saying at the end: “It was not the Republican debate we need right now,….” “NEED”?? What a complete hypocritical YYdiot !!

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    1. Chuck Edelstein August 8, 2015

      thanks for your in depth analysis gained after a life time of study and thought and after reading your post re Robert Kennedy it seems that your brilliance is truly amazing – i guess when G-d wants advice you will be there to bring the sunshine of truth, justice and the American Way to our ignorant devine one.

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  15. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

    Here’s my take. Things that WERENT mentioned:

    Climate change
    Income inequality
    Voter suppression
    Money in politics
    Citizens United

    In other words just hour after hour of “I’m more conservative than you!” Four hours of squirrels water sking would have given as much information about who us qualified for the presidency and would have been more entertaining.

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    1. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

      Those “things” weren’t mentioned, you dumbass, because they are issues only to leftist/liberal ydiots….

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      1. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

        No. Those are vital issues that affect all of us. Its just that cons are too effing stupid to realize it! Probably much of the reason the Republican party has such dismal approval ratings.

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        1. paulyz August 8, 2015

          Like the sterling approval ratings of Barack & Hillary?

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          1. Bob Eddy August 8, 2015

            Obama 47%. Clinton 43%. Republican party 28%. Republican congress 17%…until they decide to shut down government again over Panned Parenthood. I like our chances!

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          2. paulyz August 9, 2015

            Shut it down, the less Federal Governnent, the better, nobody even noticed.

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          3. Independent1 August 10, 2015

            Yeah! Tell that to the 50 people who died when that Texas fertilizer plant exploded and almost wiped out a town because Rick Perry cut the budgets so much for the inspectors that the idiot plant hadn’t been inspected for 14 years – allowing the corrupt plant owners to run the plant in a dangerous way.

            Or tell all those Red State drivers who die on the highway at 2-3 times the rate of Blue State drivers because Republicans cut budgets so short there aren’t enough police or regulations to ensure that people on Red State roads are safe drivers that are driving safely (when 24 of 27 states that have auto fatality rates higher than the national average are all Red States – the reason is because Republicans ARE SHORTCHANGING GOVERNMENT!!)

            Only total morons such as yourself would want to live in a cesspool like Texas where Perry cut government so much that the state ranks in the bottom (worst)10 states in America in 100% of 23 subjective socia/economic/government comparison measures.

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          4. paulyz August 14, 2015

            Tell all the thousands of families that have lost loved ones by the hands of released Illegal alien criminals, by Obama, that were supposed to be deported, and the ones he allows to enter without any penalty. Dummy.

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          5. Independent1 August 14, 2015

            Just more of your flat out lies. No such thing has happened. Fact is, that illegal immigrants commit 8 times fewer crimes overall than do native-born Americans, and when illegals do commit crimes, they’re 3 times less likely to be hardcore crimes that result in incarceration.

            There have been no ‘thousands ‘ of loved ones killed by illegals. Fact is, that because the media has a right-wing bias, every time an illegal commits a crime like murder, the media plays it up like it’s some kind of catastrophe, when during the same time, native-born Americans have committed 10 more heinous murders which have not even made the national news.

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          6. paulyz August 14, 2015

            You are just another American hating liberal, always defending the Illegals & criminals, but bad-mouthing Americans. There are thousands of cases of Illegals committing sex crimes on children, rapes, murders, assaults & deaths from drunken driving. There have been many parents finally speaking out on the deaths of their children caused by Illegals. Some of these Illegals didn’t have a criminal record but went on to rape or kill, but to you, they are just “undocumented” & want a job, & can’t be checked because of “profiling” or your favorite excuse, racism. I believe you must be an Illegal alien trespasser yourself the way you defend them. There you go with your BS “stats” again twisting figures. And no natter what the percebtage is, had they NOT been in OUR Country, these crines woukd NOT have happened. And just about everyone knows but you gullible Liberals that the MSM is way more represented by you Socialist Libs. You still watch MSNBC? What a loser.

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          7. Independent1 August 14, 2015

            As I said before, you’re nothing but a pathological lying sac of cow manure. Every immigrant in America is worth 10 of you worthless DO NOTHING lying RWNJs

            You can’t produce one piece of bona fide information to substantiate one of your pathological lying statements.

            Go stuff your head in the nearest craphole. That’s about what you’re worth!!

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          8. Independent1 August 9, 2015

            And given that Obama’s approval is hovering close to 50% given that 37-38% of the negatives are diehard Republican haters of Obama – in reality, that means 47-50 of the 63% not diehard Republicans aprove of Obama’s performance – that’s almost an 80% approval rating if you only consider THE SANE AMERICANS who haven’t prostituted themselves to the GOP hatred campaign!!

            Sounds pretty good to me – 80% of people who make an honest, nonbiased, assessment of Obama’s presidency.

            And especially when you realize that the Republican party only gets about a 70% approval even from its diehard base of Republican idiots!! And the Republican Congress only gets about a 45% or less from the people who likely did the most to vote them into office.

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          9. paulyz August 9, 2015

            You still are gullible to think the Democrat Party or the GOP Establishment care about you. That is why they hate and attack Conservatives like they do, they do NOT want to lose their ever growing power & influence. They receive the BIG money to do their bidding. Trump doesn’t need their money. Many people, especially Obama voters, want & expect “something” from da guberment. They want to increase the percentage, thus more Amnesty, more Illegals, less enforcement. Ya folla?

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          10. Independent1 August 9, 2015

            Nobody claims the Democrats are saints; but I’ll go by history and history has shown that over the past 100 years plus, since Teddy Roosevelt, the GOP hasn’t cared one bit for anything in America but corporations and the wealthy. Whereas, the Democrats, despite the fact they also include some levels of corruption – have at least worked to try and help out the poor and needy.

            Had the GOP had it’s way over the past 100 plus years – there would be no Social Security, there would be no Medicare, there would be no Medicaid. There would be millions fewer Americans with retirement plans – the GOP has already worked to deprive millions of Americans the benefit of those.

            There would be millions more Americans living in poverty, and the average longevity would be lucky to be in the 70s – because with the GOP depriving everyone of healthcare in their 60s and no guaranteed retirement plans – Americans would be dying like flies shortly after retirement – if they in fact could ever retire. Longevity in GOP-run states is already 2-6 years younger than in Democrat-run states. Every Blue State has a longevity age of over 78, while in over half the GOP-run states people aren’t projected to live past 78. And in only 2 GOP-run states are people projected to live to 80 and over – while there are 10 Blue states where people live to 80 and over.

            Only a feeble minded idiot such as yourself would choose to live in a GOP-run state – idiots who don’t care if they die young.

            The GOP is nothing more than THE PARTY OF PREMATURE DEATH RUN BY LEGISLATORS WHO WORSHIP THE DEVIL.

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      2. drdroad August 8, 2015

        Really Louis?? Income inequality is only a liberal concern, not a national one? Funny how the national polls find this issue gets like a 70-80% response, guess that means only 20% of the country is conservative??

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        1. Matforce August 8, 2015

          drdroad, IMHO, wealth consolidation to the top and the disinvestment in our middle class consumer is THE issue of our time. Taken to its end, this 35 year trend will not only eliminate “The American Dream” for generations of our children to come, but will relegate the mighty USA to continued decline, which could end very badly for a nation with a history of using its, along with the West’s, muscle to shoulder it’s way into a controlling share of oil production and distribution. A decimated middle class with a decent pay will not only cause a glut on the markets of products and services (there are not enough rich people to clear retail shelves in every town and hamlet across the nation), where stockpiled surpluses causes prices to fall and commerce to grind to a halt, but revenues to dry up, as local, State, and Federal taxes are taken right off their paychecks. Middle class commoners have no means to hide their earnings in long term capital gains, tax deferred annuities, offshore tax havens, and other loopholes afforded to our wealthy. And you should know by now; you can’t tax the “job creators.” (how disingenuous)

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          1. paulyz August 8, 2015

            More like, the American Dream & Middle-Class won’t be available to future generations because of MILLIONS of Illegals, $18 TRILLION National Debt, & a rotten economy caused by Liberal policies. AND the dream of receiving S.S. or Medicare might not be available to THIS generation.

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          2. Matforce August 8, 2015

            And ALL of these maladies (except for illegals, although one could make a strong argument for the secret love affair between rank & file GOP’ers from our local Chambers of Commerce and the cheap labor influx from South of the border, but I digress), IMHO, are traceable to national GOP policy, including FTA’s and the offshoring of middle class jobs, FEC rulings like Citizens United, which = money for influence, tax breaks for the rich, which leaves an increasingly unemployed/underemployed, declining middle class on the hook for the upkeep of the most advanced, sophisticated, powerful nation on earth, Corporate Inversions, Corporate welfare, including $$$Hundreds of BILLION$$$ per year of tax payer money, Wall Street insiders practically writing policy that benefits ONLY the financial district… I could go on, but what’s the use; we simply disagree on the major causes of our nation’s demise. You have valid points; I believe I have valid points.

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          3. paulyz August 9, 2015

            Of course there are those that benefit from ever increasing Illegals entering our Country, but EVERY Democrat wants Amnesty & refuses to solve this huge problem, while maybe half of the GOP allows it. Big money goes both ways, but the Democrats want to ensure 1 Party, Socialist rule forever by flooding our Country with them. Rank & File Democrats fall for their reasoning which will cripple them as well. This is why Trump resonates so well with so many average Americans.

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          4. Independent1 August 9, 2015

            You do nothing but prove you’re too stupid to understand reality.

            Do you have any idea whY most other nations in the world are stumbling and wallowing in deep recessions?? It’s because virtually all the European nations and even Russia have achieved points of declining populations!! And it shouldn’t take a moron to figure out how difficult it would be here in America to achieve the economic growth that economists always look for WITH A DECLINING POPULATION.

            And guess what is the primary reason that America isn’t now itself wallowing in a declining population!! The influx of immigrants (including illegals), and the fact that until these immigrants get Americanized, their families birthrates achieve the replacement level and slightly beyond, while native-borns’ birthrates had long since fallen below replacement and so without immigrants – America’s population would be declining and like the rest of the world, our economy would most likely be walling in a deep recession/depression no matter what we tried – because businesses would be shutting down as they failed to achieve their profit levels as their customer bases were shrinking!!!!!!!!!!

            And when are you going to stop bringing up this 18T debt given that you’re clearly a right-wing lover, and that 18 T of debt is there primarily because of 3 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS NAMED REAGAN, BUSH AND BUSH – WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE THAN 90% OF THAT 18T IN DEBTS!!!

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          5. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

            Ending Illegal immigration will fix the problem in 1 year

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          6. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

            Ending evacuees will not fix the problem in 1 year

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          7. Daniel Max Ketter August 9, 2015

            Why do you call refugees illegal immigrants?? They are entitled to every right we have to vote and make this their home. Quit being a moron.

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          8. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

            Ending legal immigration will not fix the problem in 1 year

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        2. Louis Allen August 8, 2015

          Really dr?? Income “inequality” is a non-issue.
          Only lazy people like you want to get something that they have never worked for, because you feel “entitled”.

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          1. Independent1 August 9, 2015

            Wow!! You have a good record of always being on the wrong side of REALITY!! Even a nonAmerican (the Pope)can see that our income inequality is a great contributer to all America’s ills:

            5. Inequality … is the root cause of all ‘social ills’ in the world

            Pope: “Inequality is the root of social ills. Help the poor, reject markets and speculation, attack the structural causes of inequality, or you will never solve the world’s problems.”

            Are you trying to seel us on the lie that you’re not even troubled by the extensive sucking of all America’s money by the top 1-5% ever since Reagan was in office?? The fact that today, 80% of Americans own less than 5% of all the wealth and income in America??

            At the rate that the 1% is sucking up all the money from America (checkout the graph which shows how often money these days is changing hands before the 1-5% are sucking it up and storing it away often in overseas accounts; how long do you think it’s going to be before they’ve achieved the point of no return and even the 1%’s pyramids are going to start collapsing because t here’s going to be no one left to by their products or services and the value of their money is going to go to zero because they’re the only ones who have money to buy anything with????????????

            (Note how the 1% really started sucking the money starting with as shown by the red bars jumping like crazy starting in early 1980; and how the frequency of money changing hands plummeted at the same time in the other graph.)

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      3. cyberbuff53 August 9, 2015

        these issues are Universal, as in they Impact Everyone…now, go back to your brainwashing session on FIX ‘news’. . 🙂

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        1. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

          ???? Voter suppression means that the 4 million illegals on’ get o vote like they did in 2012 & 2008?? That the Saudis and Chinese won’t be allowed to finance Dem pols? And Hollywood has to start paying their fair share n taxes???

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          1. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

            ???? Voter suppression means that the 4 million immigrants on’ get o vote like they did in 2012 & 2008?? That the Saudis and Chinese will be allowed to finance Rep pols? And Hollywood continues paying their
            fair share n taxes???

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          2. Daniel Max Ketter August 9, 2015

            Why hollywood pays more taxes than draft dodging retarted automotive parts clerks. Leonardo DiCaprio and George Clooney have paid over $130,000,00 in taxes alone.

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        2. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

          ????? Voter suppression means that the 4 million immigrants on’ get o
          vote like they did in 2012 & 2008??? That the Saudis and Chinese
          will be allowed to finance Rep pols? And Hollywood continues paying
          their fair share n taxes????

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      4. Danceroflife August 9, 2015

        *Sigh

        Do all you Republicans resort to name-calling when you have nothing of substance to offer to the discussion or are you people simply vile human beings…or both?

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        1. Louis Allen August 9, 2015

          No, dummy ooops!!), you are wrong again.
          Let me explain in very simple terms that even an ydiot (ooops!!) like you can understand:
          The difference between Conservatives (forget Republicans, most of whom have become RINOs !!) and you libturds (ooops!!), is that Conservatives recognize facts and have the ability to call a spade “a spade”, while to liberal ydiots (ooops!!) FACTS are their worst enemy and they can not bring themselves to calling a spade “A SPADE” (Obammy–ooops!!–can not even bring himself to calling ISIS “Muslim radicals”),
          ….. you yydiot (ooooopsss!!)

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  16. cyberbuff53 August 9, 2015

    Precisely
    Two (2) Circular Firing Squads, with NO solutions presented…by
    SEVENTEEN American Taliban / reTHUGlicans…
    Exactly what I expected….this ‘ bunch’ is so ‘challenged’,
    they STILL have Trump as their front runner…would be comical,
    if it wasn’t So SAD

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    1. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

      And yet all the Dem’s have to offer is Hilary a crooked old fat shrew

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      1. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

        And yet all the Ketter’s have to offer is Linda a crooked old fat shrew

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      2. Daniel Max Ketter August 9, 2015

        Sounds like my lovey linda dear.

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      3. Danceroflife August 9, 2015

        Are all you Republicans(men and women) misogynistic?

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        1. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

          I was harassed by a female bully in school, so yes, us men are superior and being republican is a plus

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        2. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

          ask old Bill Cinton

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          1. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

            ask old fat Dan Ketter

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        3. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

          ask old Ronald Reagan

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      4. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

        linda ketter is a crooked old fat shrew

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    2. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

      And yet all the Rep”s have to offer is Carly a crooked old fat shrew

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      1. cyberbuff53 August 9, 2015

        that’s not the half…
        she, Singlehandedly, nearly Destroyed Tech ICONS, Compaq & Hewlett Packard

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        1. Whatmeworry August 9, 2015

          Yeah, and they make junky hardware. If american votes her in, then they DESERVE the punishment for the next 4 years

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