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Sunday, March 24, 2019

Overshadowed amid Sarah Palin’s unique interpretation of Dr. Seuss, Wayne LaPierre’s overheated vision of America’s apocalyptic decline, and all of the other craziness at the 2014 Conservative Political Action Conference, Republican pollster Whit Ayres gave a fact-based presentation to the gathering of right-wing activists. What he said should terrify the GOP.

Ayres, whose firm counts the RNC, NRSC, NRCC, and several influential Republican politicians among its clients, appeared on a panel on Saturday to discuss electoral trends and the future of the GOP.

The slides from Ayres’ presentation, which are available on his firm’s website, reiterate something that many Republicans have long warned: America’s changing demographics leave the increasingly white GOP at risk of entering what Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) memorably described as a “demographic death spiral.”

In short, as the Republican pollster explained, the white proportion of the American electorate is declining at an alarming rate. Meanwhile, Republicans are performing much worse among non-white voter groups. If the party doesn’t change something — Ayres suggests immigration reform as a good place to start — it will cease to be viable in national elections.

One particular point in the presentation stood out, however. Turning to the midterm elections, Ayres declared to hearty applause that “we’ve got some good news: We’re going to have a great 2014. We’re going to hold the House, we’re going to pick up the Senate, it’s going to be a great 2014.”

“One of the reasons why,” he explained, “is that the percentage of whites in the electorate is about five points higher in the off-year elections.”

Ayres graph

Perhaps Ayres — who, like most pollsters, does not have a spotless record when it comes to predicting elections — should remember what he said in 2012 before asserting that the whiteness of the midterm electorate will bring his party certain success in 2014. Back then, he explained his party’s failure to elect Mitt Romney as president by noting that “it is a mistake to place rosy assumptions on a likely electorate that are at variance — and substantial variance — with recent history.”

Democrats immediately called foul on the crowd’s warm reception to Ayres’ assertion.

“It says a lot that top Republicans believe that lower minority participation in the electoral process is something to celebrate. They know that when the electorate represents more Americans and more voices, they lose,” DNC Director of Voter Expansion Pratt Wiley said in a statement.

In fairness to Ayres, he made it perfectly clear that Republicans need to diversify their party, instead of relying on shrinking the electorate.

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2,774 responses to “2014 May Be White Enough For The GOP — But What Comes Next?”

  1. Daniel Jones says:

    The fact that a guy whose name is rather evocative of White Aryan (though I suspect he isn’t one) is telling these people they really need to *honestly* appeal to other groups or wither on the vine is telling.

  2. Dominick Vila says:

    What is happening to the GOP is similar to what is happening to the Post Office, Sears, JC Penney, Hallmark, Radio Shack and other venerable institutions that were once the envy of the world and are rapidly becoming irrelevant as a result of their failure to adapt to a changing world.
    The days when white Americans imposed their will and were unchallenged by hapless minorities are long gone. African Americans constitute about 12% of our population, legal Hispanics-Latinos are 18% of our population; and when we add Asians, people of mixed ethnicity, and those married to minorities the makeup of our population, from an ethnic perspective, is divided almost in half between whites and “minorities”.
    The problem for the GOP is further aggravated by the derogatory statements they make when they refer with ethnic minorities, the lack of compassion they demonstrate, their overt determination to keep minorities down, and their exclusion from the political decision making process.

    • elw says:

      You are so right, although I am White my family is multi-racial. So their comments are very personal to me, in spite of my own skin color. My grandchild take it even more personally than I do, after all they have no memories of segregated communities and have grown up in a multi-racial world both at school and family life. The world is changing and it will be even more dramatic when Generation X takes over. I hope I live long enough to see it.

      • angelsinca says:

        My family is multi-racial too. But I am supposedly a racist because I don’t subscribe to the same Democratic imaginings that all conservatives are racist-homophobic-wimmin-haters. Now it seems I am also supposed to be a nazi. You silly putties crack me up.

        • elw says:

          This may be a shock to you, but you are not the center of the universe and most likely not even on the list of people Democrats think of.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I love your reply. Angel cannot fathom that having a minority [not for long] in the family, does not cancel his bigotry towards those groups as a whole. We definitely do not think about Angel very often. If “it” left, we would probably never mentioned that name again.

          • elw says:

            Thank-you. Angel lives in a very strange world and is not anywhere as important as she/he thinks.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Amen!

          • angelsinca says:

            True, elw, I live in the world your people have mandated. It feels very strange to be told how to talk, what to think, where to speak, who to like, what to eat, when to worship. Your world. It bites.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            EXCEPT, none of those things are true. We are only trying to stop your ilk from acting out your power trips on the rights of others. Like your useless, lying trolling in this MINOR blog.

            Who told you what to eat? Did you eat what we wanted you to tonight?

            We obviously cannot stop a coward like you from sniping this MINOR blog with your lies. So, how are we telling you what to say?

            Telling you what to think? Now that, and you, are really stupid. Everyone knows we do not control your hatred.

            Who to like? You hate just about everyone. You can like who you please if you would just quit bullying everyone else.

            Your mob is the one that has proved you want to literally control the bodies of your neighbors. You want control of their very souls.

          • angelsinca says:

            I am not angry and haven’t felt any hate for a long time. Your hate of conservatives is obvious. It has overpowered your ability to reason Look at what you have written here this week. It’s mostly ugly. Those are your thoughts, your opinions, your words, your anger, your rage. You don’t need to blame others for your feelings. Take control of yourself, man.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Bull! I hate people that hate. That is you. I hate people that troll endlessly. That is you. AND I especially hate people that lie constantly. That is you by definition.

            Yes, my words that I am almost entirely proud of. You deserve every bit of what I have said and much, much more.

            You ARE ugly, regardless of your personal appearance.

            You lie in every post. Like your declaration that the group was mine. You can’t quit.

            I am in complete control.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            What I have written is ugly, because what you have been writing for years is nothing but ugly lies.

            I can bust your lies forever. Literally. You are too stupid to understand that your posting is totally of no value. You are merely here to entertain yourself at the expense of others. That is real sick.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You feel no hate? Answer me a question, do you ever tell the truth? Even once?

            Another question would be, what is your purpose here. You are wasting what remains of your life in being a useless pariah. I have never seen buy into anything you say for more than a few seconds. Even then, your condescension alienates everyone in a matter of seconds. Exactly what you did to me.

            And again, I am in complete control. I suggest you look at your own useless, wasted life and maybe gain control of yourself.

            I see you exactly as you are. You think you are confounding your ideological enemies and proven wondrous points to the infidels. When in reality, no one really cares. Unless, it is another useless bullying, lying, troll. Yet, all you are doing is throwing your life away convincing people that your side must go down. And all the way down is where you are headed.

            I can see you sitting in your little basement that smells of stale beer and piss, smiling your little half-crazed evil grin, thinking you have changed the world, but you are only helping your enemies. You are only recruiting for us. Really, I assure you that people with decency and half a mind see you as the disgusting garbage that you are. That is why you people are losing more elections AND why it will get a lot worse real soon. They see you as the ambassador of hatred and lies. Decent people reject you.

          • angelsinca says:

            Save this boilerplate speech for your next victim. I’ll be there as you try to beat down the next conservative in your campaign of oppression. Would you eliminate all conservatives if you could? Of course you would. But please don’t stop. It will only help assure complete voter rejection of everything you represent (which isn’t much more than blind hatred toward the GOP). Keep up the fine work for the other team, Fernwood…lol.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If being a disciple of totalitarianism is conservative, then you are conservative. What you call conservative equates with being a Brown Shirt.

            So, if conservatives are so oppressed in the MINOR (your word) and liberal blog, why are they here. You have a right to speech, but not a right to continue trying to hammer the free speech of others into the ground.

            So, everyone here knows the difference. You come here to disrupt, I only come here to disrupt filth like you when I cannot stand your drivel any more. You do nothing but troll, I only troll trolls. BIG difference.

            So do whatever time wasting activity that burrows out of your worm infested skull.

            By the way, are the only ideas you have provided by others. Why don’t you actually ask the regular posters what your trolling has done to damage their views on the GOP.

          • angelsinca says:

            Still waiting for that proof of racism. My life is fine but thanks for the concern. You confuse confidence for condescension. I don’t have a basement. We have no beer in the house. Last time you said i was supposedly in my Mom’s basement. But after disclosing to you that she had died, you continued to ridicule her loss, asshole. You pass along the same crap to so many people, you forget what you said to who. Have a nice day, dipweed. See you at the next level.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Proof has been provided probably hundreds of times by now. And I am not the only one to prove it.

            You need a dictionary and maybe a little education. When anyone tries to agree with you, you beat them over the head with your know-it-all attitude.

            Have a basement? Beer? Well, maybe not, but maybe a little intelligence and a sense of humor would be grand.

            As to your mother, you are the one insulting her memory by lying about what was said. Everything I have EVER said was strictly about YOU.

            So asshole, the only people I have ever given any crap too, with a rare exception, is human waste like you. You badger and butt into discussions, and treat people that are twice as smart as you like garbage. BUT, YOU CAN’T TAKE IT IN RETURN!

          • James Bowen says:

            Although I don’t know, I think the chances are his is a stupid, pathetic, mentally and physically weak man who, not being able to throw his weight around in the real world, does so on blogs like this. If he behaved this way in the real world, the chances are that he would end up in the hospital having been beaten to a pulp very quickly. Not saying that is right or he deserves it, but in the real world people can’t behave like this without there being dire consequences for themselves.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Only a few lawless thugs like you would do that Herr Bowen. Those scumbags are out there to do their violence to someone anyway. Actually, in the real world Herr Bowen, you would be seen as a pariah that few would want to be associated with. Very nearly unemployable as well. As you already seem to be. You ARE a racist that makes up excuses to hate minorities and disguise your racism, because you do not have that easy road that you think you have earned because you are white. Sorry, but you are the problem. That is why I have said what I have.

            Quit getting your information from Rush and Stormfront. . . . And grow up.

          • James Bowen says:

            You are a traitor, plain and simple.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are a traitor, plain and simple.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, I want the best for my fellow countrymen. You want to put illegal aliens above them. That is treason.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No, you do not you treasonous bastard. You came here because you saw the word “white” in the title of the article. An article that you obviously never read. The only “fellow countrymen” you recognize are clones of yourself.

          • James Bowen says:

            Yes I do. Putting aliens above citizens is treason–that is what you want to do, not me. What is best for our countrymen is to preserve our economic opportunity and quality of life.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If you are all America has to offer, then maybe we do need some new blood.

            It is you that are not only a traitor, but a racist, and a very, very inferior breed of American.

          • James Bowen says:

            What more do I need to say? You just displayed your traitorous attitude with this last post. I have news for you. America is not an just an idea–it is a people, a nation, a land, a country, and a unique culture in its own right.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I would only replace the useless, self-entitled filth that is damaging American progress. That is not treason, but opportunity. Exactly, what your bat crap crazy comrades have been preaching.

            Of course, YOU would never be on that list as you are one of the “chosen,” i.e. RACIST. You really HATE America. Now that is TREASON. The America that you desire would only contain those you approve of. In other words, no “darkies.” No liberals. No gays. Maybe, you keep around a few token “cool” black roadies to keep you company. Women put in their proper place, weeded out for quality, and available when you have your special needs.

          • James Bowen says:

            The only ones as a group who I can think of who fit that description are illegal aliens. They came here uninvited and are now demanding to stay, a right they do not have. That is self-entitled. Capitulating to their demands and those of their greedy, self-serving employers is treason. You words just seethe with hatred for the American nation. Illegals are not Americans and they have no right to be here. America is a land and a people, not some vague ideal.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have asked a much greater variety of questions than you, and provided rationale reasons. How many of my questions have you answered? Pretty much none. I answer because I know even if you do answer, it will be a lie.

            You forget the adult is in charge. I will answer what I please, when I please. I have played your sick bully game and now it will be by my rules. By the way, you are only convincing me of your marginal and unstable personality. Your racist malarkey will NEVER fly with me.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are a racist bastard, truly plain and simple.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I am not the one that wants to punish the poorest among us. All the while cowardly hiding your true racist agenda and using our own government as a make weight to accomplish your evil.

          • James Bowen says:

            It is not a punishment and there is nothing evil about returning people to their home countries. In most cases, what we do to our own citizens who are locked away in prison is worse.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            My goodness, how you lie so. Do you really believe that rot? Really. By the way, being locked in prison is for the commission of criminal acts. I have a lot to say about the injustice of our criminal in-justice system, but this is neither the place or time. Of course, any place is good enough for you to get our your SOAP BOX and start preaching your racist mantra.

            I say we deport lazy whiners like you. Less people on the dole, more efficiency, and less disruption to the lives of decent people. You really do hate America, people in general, and people that are different than you.

            Once again, I am for deporting you.

          • James Bowen says:

            What’s the lie here? It is not a legal punishment to deport an alien–it is a corrective administrative action which requires no due process other than establishment of illegality. Going to prison is a legal punishment, and it is likely a lot worse than sending someone back to their home country.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            G.D. liar. What does the law do by enforcing. Fix a tray of cookies and milk. Your head needs serious shrinking.

            You will always be a liar, since you came here to do nothing but soap box on a totally off-topic subject AND you thrice falsified your educational credentials to seem an authority that you are not. You want to be recognized as superior, when you are truly inferior.

          • James Bowen says:

            Enforcing the law ensures that people are in compliance with the law. That does not necessarily mean punishment. Deporting an illegal alien is not a legal punishment, but it does ensure compliance with the law on the part of the alien.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You need some lessons in practical ethics, AND the law. Laws have PENALTIES. What is the root word of PENALTIES. Without punishment, laws have no practical force, but you already know that.

            You will say any damn thing to get that precious edge you value so much. Unfortunately, you do not have enough sense to understand that telling any damn lie you please, destroys your own argument.

          • James Bowen says:

            Yes they do, but deportation is not one of them. Deportation is a corrective administrative action, much like taking the cash back from a bank robber. Law enforcement means actions must be taken. Those actions are not necessarily punishments, but do include them.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Doubtful, but I GUARANTEE, if you behaved this way when dealing with the friendlies, they would cut your fat gut open and rip your guts out. AND you would deserve it.

          • elw says:

            What a strange response. I do not believe you are talking about my world, because In my world I get to talk, think, speak and worship how I see fit.

          • angelsinca says:

            Good for you. Why do you find it necessary to prevent others (conservatives) from doing the same?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Not only a bold faced liar, but simple reading and reasoning skills escape you. What elw said is quite true. You just do not want to hear that. We are not the ones mad that someone is stopping our “right” to bully “others.” In your view, if you cannot run someone else’s life, you are being deprived and harmed.

            Eat all the shit you want, pray to any demon you want, say any damn foolishness and lies you want [somewhere else, however], believe any racist thing you please. Just stop practicing your hatred on the rest of us. We are not stopping you from doing or saying anything. Just treat other people with respect.

            If you did that, then you would not receive the whippings that I am always dishing out to you. BUt, I do realize you are too stupid, dishonest, mean, and evil to do so. So, go for it some more and see where it gets you.

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd wrote:

            “you are too stupid, dishonest, mean, and evil”
            “Eat all the shit you want”
            “a coward like you”
            “Dear idiot”
            “No one wants to be a part of misery like you”
            “You just dribble your verbal diarrhea”
            “You are the filthy, lying bastard”
            “you are just a disgusting coward”
            “you are despised by everyone”
            “You are one not so special creep”
            “You are the lowest form of coward”

            and then proceeds to preach,
            “Just treat other people with respect.”

            LOL.

            I would’ve taken your mostly personal attacks with special concern. But it appears you practice the same relentless bullying wherever you go, Byrd. Be proud. The blog is yours to crap in. Here’s your rope.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, you just proved you are a liar again. You take my words out of context. Therefore, all your garbage is irrelevant.

            As for “bullying wherever you go,” I only go to three groups on odd occasions. The one I go to the most, “Daily Kos,” I am not even registered to post.

            YOU are the one that practices” the same relentless bullying wherever you go.” You are the one trying to disrupt and cause angst with everyone you disagree with. With an occasional exception, the only abuse I dish out is to YOU.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I AM HERE BECAUSE FILTH LIKE YOU IS HERE. Understand!!! If you were to post truthfully and civilly, then you would not hear from me. As for
            my bullying, show me where.

            You on the other hand will never quit until you have closed down a discussion. Why don’t you say your peace and leave! You know very well your lies are not welcome. Yet you come to this “MINOR” blog and run your bullying into the ground. You go on, and on, and on, and on, and on . . . the only piece of scum worse than you is lana ward. Of course, “anal” is another gender bender. Just like you.

          • angelsinca says:

            Give it a rest, Russell. If it wasn”t me, you’d be attacking some other passerby. It’s what you do. You’re like the guy being tailgated that slams on his brakes then blames the guy behind him for causing the accident.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Like I said, once I figured out that you were a pathological liar that would never listen to reason, everything you could possibly say to me lost any sting whatsoever. Like now.

            You are the one that avoids the subject of articles. You are the one that avoids the questions that you are asked.
            You are the one that everyone hates.
            You are the one that tells some of the most incredible lies. Lies that everyone knows are lies.
            You make obviously false claims constantly.
            If you and your bullying, trolling scum were not here, I might not ever post. I went years without doing so. I only come here when I see you playing your disgusting games.

            So keep lying. I could not give a damn. It is your vocation.

            About you teaching your son to step on the rights of others . . . I am dead serious. Like I said, that little disgusting criminal punk is a real chip off the old gender bending parent turd. He obviously got a habit of mistreating anyone that would give him half a chance. Maybe, he got a penchant for gender bending from you as well. I bet he is a lot of fun around the old cell block.

            Now whine and cry. You had it coming.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As for personal attacks, that is in your own evil
            little wet dreams. All I am doing is getting your attention, which somegood posters have noticed, keeps you occupied and out of other people’s hair. And I love doing it, because I am much better at it then you, and am totally dedicated when I start. I rather enjoy smashing your inanity. Much more so, when I got over the fact that you will NEVER change, because you really are that much of a stupid, lying, sociopath.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You talk as if you are leaving. Yet, we both know you are not. You are always threatening, but you do not have the moral fiber to do anything good. When sh*t like you is gone, then I will go back to merely reading
            the blog. I was not even registered to post until I had had a gut full of your evil, lying, nonsense.

            So, why do you not go to one of your “MAJOR” blogs where all the posters are haters like you? Why not? Go where you are welcome and stop trying to cause harm and “shut down the conversation,” as you have said.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            In context, “Just treat other people with respect. THEN I will treat YOU with respect.”

            But you just can’t see anyone in this blog as a person unless they are kissing your a**.

            By the way, even out of context, my statements are still true!

          • James Bowen says:

            I see you too are dealing with this blowhard idiot who, when he runs out of arguments, resorts to vicious personal attacks. Then he has the gaul to talk about compassion for others.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You would be a good match for our resident troll. Angelstink has been badgering and bullying and trolling for years in here. It talks just like you. Makes wild claims that set the entire blog on fire. Racism, homophobia, hatred, total ignorant lies, over and over and over and over. It stated goal is to breakup conversation in this blog. Angel is a total f*cktard and proud Teatard, JUST LIKE YOU.

            Just like you, “it” claims to be one thing, but always says another . . . and then denies its own facts.
            So believe me, take up with angelstink, and everyone will know you for who you really are. You will be seen as the totally useless liar you are.

          • James Bowen says:

            Sounds like what you are describing is not me but you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Lame answer from a mental midget that thinks lying is proof. I guess that is the best you can do. Go ahead and take up with angelstink. You know, we do not even know what sex angel is? Seems to be a guy, but it will adopt a female role if it seems advantageous. Like I said, take up with that one, and everyone will know what you really are. As well, believe me, you will get burned.

          • James Bowen says:

            Well it does seem like you described yourself pretty well.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Na, na, nana, na. Did not! Boohoohoo, Jimbos being mean to me. Boohoohoo.

            Seriously, refer to what I posted above. Your post did nothing to change the situation.

          • James Bowen says:

            Except you haven’t posted anything that answers my questions or refutes what I say.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have answered your question seven times now, Jimbo. I have no obligation to buy into your no merit argument to please an egotistical b*st*rd like you. I correct your faulty, racist reasoning, and answer on what is real. Sorry, if it does not please you. I will not kiss your a**. I am not like you, and I have not incentive to. So sad, too bad.

          • James Bowen says:

            You did yesterday (by agreeing with me), but then you backtracked. We cannot support an ever-expanding population. You can’t answer that question because there is no answer.

            At least I am not a traitor.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, you are a traitor and a racist. I see you at least stopped contesting the racist part.

            You are a mentally ill person, Jimbo. You see only what you want to see, and worse, you have a god complex.

          • James Bowen says:

            You are the one who wants to replace Americans with aliens, not me. That is treason. Call me a racist all you want, I know it isn’t true, and even if it was, it would be any worse that being an outright jerk like you who hides behind the safety of a computer screen.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            BS, Jimbo, how many times can a child like you ask the same debunked question? You have gained zero ground.

            Like all of the far-right wackjobs, you want to set the rules of discussion. Based of course on falsehoods. Then you demand that everyone give you the answer your vile, evil, moronic tiny mind has decided on in advance.

            That is not discussion, and as I have said, the adult is now in charge.

          • James Bowen says:

            Wanting to replace Americans with illegal aliens who forced their way in is treason. Please prove me wrong and tell me you don’t want to do this, that you want to send them home.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            A lie debunked on numerous occasions, but repeated in order to continue an antagonistic discussion from a woefully sick personality

          • James Bowen says:

            Then tell me you don’t want to replace Americans and that we should expel illegals.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You will have to kiss your own ass, racist. Of course, a dog like you can probably lick it clean.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            1. I never proposed replacing Americans.
            2. I explained in great detail what is wrong with your racist wants and needs.
            3. If you cannot understand any of this, then maybe we should just fall back to compulsory family planning and birth control.
            4. I have not and will not adopt your disgusting racist attitudes and viewpoints. This has been explained to you in an unmistakeable manner previously.

          • James Bowen says:

            If you want illegals to stay, than you support displacing Americans. We have limited jobs and limited resources, and the more people we have, the smaller the slice of the pie gets for everyone.

            As for compulsory family planning and birth control, that really would not get us very far because native-born Americans already have sub-replacement fertility. It is necessary to reduce immigration to stabilize our population.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Your reasoning is like saying that a man might actually enjoy the smell of raw sewage, so he must like your ideas as well. On the other hand, you may be right, because both stink equally bad.

            Why do you lie so much? Americans have “sub-replacement” fertility because 95% of women will use birth control at some time in their life. Add abortion to that mix and our population is not falling because of a want of reproductive capability. Modern families, and modern women, do not want to be saddled with those huge families that your right-wacko allies think they should have.

          • James Bowen says:

            I agree that native-born Americans have low fertility because family planning and contraception are available to women, and strongly support that. If it wasn’t for post-1970 immigration, both legal and illegal, our population would be approaching stabilization by now. We must maintain access to low-cost family planning and contraceptives in this U.S., and we must also reduce immigration and fully enforce our immigration laws. Thus far we are doing the former (and need to keep doing so), and we must do the latter. Both are necessary to reverse growth.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            False concept + false data = false conclusion.

            That is not Fizzicks, by the way, but Seventh grade general math.

          • James Bowen says:

            It is indisputable that the great majority of our post-1970 population growth is due directly or indirectly to immigration. Here is more information: https://www.numbersusa.com/pages/whats-problem. If we are to halt growth in the U.S. and Canada, immigration has to be reduce and illegals sent home.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Maybe, but you are off-topic, on an off-topic discussion, that you started off-topically to begin with. Whether you are right or wrong, you are still a blatant racist.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Like I said, Dumbozo, I log everything. Well, the tasty bits, anyway.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So, I guess you are not only a racist, liar, and bully, you are misogynist as well. Why am I not surprised?

          • James Bowen says:

            Nothing I have said is a lie. In fact, you agree with me that we need to reverse growth.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Another apt repeat that reflects on how your ideas are seen and you are perceived personally:

            Glad you identify with the most egregious misbehaver in these blogs. You will surely be welcomed with open arms and adored like Juliu Caesar returning from a great victory.

            Sometimes, my sense of humor gets the better of me. 🙂

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have, I did, I do, I will.

            You have ignored and lied, you did ignore and lie, you are ignoring and lying, and you will ignore and lie.

            Let’s face it. I could not get through your thick skull with a ten megaton thermonuclear device.

          • James Bowen says:

            Then you agree with me that we should reduce immigration and send all illegals home?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Hahahahaha! How childish you are Jimmie Bozo. I told you I will never agree with a racist. If you are going to play games, you need to at least have a clue as to how it is played.

            So, like I said, grow a pair of balls and take on the true perpetrators. Stop trying to bully the weak. Be a man and take on a real challenge.

            Of course, my vote is for deporting lazy, racist, whiners that would rather see the nation destroyed than prosper in peace. Sorry, if your lack of education has you stuck in a McJob!

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd proposing a ‘peaceful America’?? How refreshing is THAT??? Too bad it involves selectively deporting those he disagrees with.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You blew that one, oops, of course you always have done a lot of blowing.

            If deporting the lazy, evil, useless, sacks of rotten meat, such as yourself, would give us a peaceful America, then why not? Hmm? Sounds like an accomplishment any decent citizen should be justly proud of. AMEN to that.

          • angelsinca says:

            Be proud; you are the hate filled America.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            It’s 6:43 P.S.T. right now. Is this all you have to do? Do you have a life? THANKS, for continuing to prove that I have you perfectly pegged.

            And again, thanks for at leaving some other poor soul alone for at least this one post. By the way, you know “we” are going to find you some day soon. Make of it what you will. Har-ass-er!

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd wrote: “By the way, you know “we” are going to find you some day soon. Make of it what you will.”

            Sounds like a believable, collaborative threat. What do you expect to do when you ‘find’ me, sport? Thanks for the post. This one ought to be ample evidence to ALERT THE FBI. Take a break Russell. You are getting in way over your head.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Alert the FBI. You will go away for criminal harassment. Are you so sick and stupid that you think that you belong in these “minor liberal blogs.” Everyone here hates you with the exception of “anal ward,” and Jim Dumbozo (He won’t after he gets to know you. You are too much alike.), and a few other head cases. Are you so sick and perverted you cannot figure this out? Well, I guess that was a dumb question, but I have trouble reconciling people driven by mental illness . . .like you. I really believe you know exactly what you are doing. You are just plain evil, if you ask me. “Educate” the blog posters. You have nothing to teach.

            What do I intend to do? Bring you a box of chocolates, of course.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I am proud. I want a peaceful America for all our people. You just
            want an America that does what you want and to Hell with anyone you
            dislike or disagree with.

            Look at your media. One hate filled
            lie after another. Always someone is dragging the country down. Never
            the truth, and never anything good to say about anyone, UNLESS, you are
            white, male, straight, gun toting, and a right-wacko asshole.

          • angelsinca says:

            We want the same thing. Unfortunately, your solution is politicide with a thorough cleansing of all things you deem unacceptable. You were born 70 years too late and on the wrong continent.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Your post really is nonsensical. If I were born 70 years to late, then I would be a man of the current times. More sensibly, you were born 70 years too early. In the days when being a white, gun-toting, male, misogynistic, racist was considered acceptable. What this spiel about wrong continent? You mean that treating everyone fairly is anti-American. Times have changed, you old bastard. Your ideas are on the way out.

            And you do all this showing of your ass in a “minor liberal blog.” How sick and pathetic a life you have.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I rather think that, “you were born 70 years too late and on the wrong continent.” Yep, you would have fit in well with the Third Reich. You racist, freedom and Democracy hating son-of-a-bitch.

            Total f*cking nonsense. You want to use hate to keep things entirely inyour comfort zone. “To Hell with everyone else,” is your motto. So you are admitting that fair treatment for all people is against your creed. You have admitted that you think lying, racism, bullying, and taking advantage of other people is the cat’s meow.

          • angelsinca says:

            Wrong again on all counts Russy. Even a blind monkey wiping his arse with your keyboard would be right more often. Try on the truth for once. You shouldn’t burst into flames (too quickly).

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I will stand on the truth that I told. YOU are the one that is well known to never tell the truth, except when you are all hurt and whiny. Then you should just keep your mouth shut.

            EVERYONE, including your so-called allies, knows that just about everything you say is a lie. Intentional bold-face lies to boot.

            Again, what do you mean to accomplish. Everything in my post is true about you. Your reply just confirms the ass that you are.

            I often wonder how you can type with a straight jacket on. Is it with a pencil in your mouth?

          • James Bowen says:

            The nation will be destroyed if we don’t enforce immigration laws (i.e. deport illegals) because we will be swamped. Yes, the employers who hired them need to be punished severely, but it is the presence in and of itself of such a large number of illegals that causes the damage.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            What about your three consecutive introductory lies about your educational credentials.

          • Guest says:

            …the adult is now in charge.

            LOL.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Better than a 65 year old with a nine year old mentality like you. I bet you wear a blindfold at all the weenie roasts you go to. The anticipation excites you to no end, doesn’t it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            In your mind, you should get everything you want because you have it coming. What I find the worst is you do not care about the potential damage you do, nor do you accept any responsibility for that damage. (Sociopath!) You have no empathy. (Sociopath!)

            So let’s sum up, shall we. You probably live in your mom’s basement. You are certainly a 37 year old drop out, that might have a year of college. You might not have even finished high school. You probably have a criminal record, but not much as you are rather secretive. You perverted your good doctor’s theories, because he made them easily understandable to a rather unsophisticated, but hateful and unstable mind. ALL your vocabulary is taken directly from those theories. You have made the doctor your idol and hero, because you could twist his academics to fit your diseased view of life. I will continue later, if necessary.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As far as hiding behind a computer screen, you seem very satisfied to be a lame hypocrite.

            Actually,
            I had you figured out from the start, though I am open minded and gave
            you a chance. You are probably unable to hold a job because you are
            such a hateful, self-centered, deceitful, anti-social bastard. Like all of your
            kind, you always blame someone else for your short-comings. In your
            mind, someone is always to blame for something. It is how your diseased mind thinks.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Actually, after 6-700 posts, it has become apparent that we only need to replace about 1-3% of our population. We need to keep the immigrants and deport lazy, untrustworthy, dishonest, whiny, wastes of skin. Like you.

          • James Bowen says:

            But we still need to reduce immigration and deport illegals to stabilize our population.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I am for deporting lazy, racist, whiners. Know whom I am talking about? 🙂

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Nixon said, “I am not a crook,” but look what that got us.

          • James Bowen says:

            I don’t want to replace Americans with foreign invaders–I want to repel that invasion. Therefore I am not a traitor.

            Regarding Nixon, he is the only President we have ever had who tried to do something to halt population growth. He is the one who started the public family planning programs that did much to bring native fertility down to sub-replacement levels. Whatever his faults, if you want to compare me with Nixon, I consider that an honor.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If you had anywhere near normal reasoning skills, you would know that I am only contrasting your lack of veracity with Mr. Nixon’s lack of the same. In other words, I am comparing you with Nixon’s worst traits. Not something anyone would be proud of. At least, not if that had a normal morality.

            So, the simple version goes like this. You are PROUD to have your lies considered on an equal basis with Mr. Nixon’s lie. Cool, maybe we will get to the bottom of your pathology before long.

          • James Bowen says:

            You keep calling me a liar, yet you have basically agreed with what I am saying.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, the old conundrum again. You just told an easily confirmable lie. We agreed on nothing of value. Yes, there are one or two details where we see things the same. However, your solutions, though you are trying to slowly “spin” your way out of that mess, are all racist, where mine in contrast, are not. Therefore you rather proved that I was right. I was only wrong in crediting you with one less lie than you actually told. 🙂

          • James Bowen says:

            We agree that growth need to be reversed. The solutions you brought up are what needs to be done. As far as I know that is agreement.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No, that is not. Anyway, your sick need for capitulation, as well as your racism, means we can never agree. Agreement with you is only for your purposes of perverting discussion.

            Only a person lacking in education and intelligence, would think that self-centered arrogance, and low-brow ignorance will suffice in normal conversation.

          • James Bowen says:

            Then you are saying that growth does not need to be reversed? If so, back to the question: how are going to indefinitely sustain our numbers?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Except, for one little thing. You are another right-wacko, chronic, pathological liar.

          • James Bowen says:

            Everything I have said is true to the best of my knowledge.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Hmm? Your knowledge is near non-existent, therefore your “truth” is also near non-existent.

            Nothing new, but I like how you said that.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Where you are headed Bozo Bobo, the air is heavy with the foul odor of roasted behinds. 🙂

          • angelsinca says:

            By association, I feel compelled to apologize to you James for being treated so poorly by the Byrd blogger. Please don’t take anything he says personally. You aren’t the first and surely won’t be the last to be victimized by this powder puff. One day a sys admin may realize they ought to shut him down because the liability meter is pegging. See you around.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I doubt if ole Jimbo wants to get any closer to you. I realize that all you are doing is screaming for help as you are totally at sea in dealing with me.

            But go ahead and knock you useless carcass out trying. What about that deal I offered? Very fair!

            Of course, all one has to do is look at our profiles. I do not troll the liberal groups as you do. I only came for little old you . . . . HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

          • James Bowen says:

            Thanks angelsinca.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If you thank that one, Bobo, I do feel sorry for you. At the first opportunity, you will find yourself bent over a rail with your drawers around your ankles. Go ahead, t-r-u-s-t our gentle, beneficent “angel.” Unfortunately, Heaven is not the only place that has “angels.”

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Ah, isn’t love (between two perverts) grand? Probably not.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, kiss “its” ass if you so please. You might find out that the taste is indescribably awful.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Ask around. You are going to be a big hit here in the future. You cannot master the “pulling my thumb out of my ass,” much less the “gentle art of persuasion.”

          • Russell Byrd says:

            What is this, a mutual stroking club? Sheesh!

          • angelsinca says:

            No bother James. It’s kind of sad though, if not pathetic, to see people like this squirm so much.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are the one squirming, worm. . . . 🙂

            Looks like racists of a feather flock together.

          • angelsinca says:

            Try another button, Russell. Most of the ones you are trying to push aren’t working. It seems you don’t just don’t quite understand what a racist is. Maybe this will help:

            rac·ist ˈrāsist/ noun
            1.a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
            synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist”he was exposed as a racist”
            (racially) discriminatory, racialist, prejudiced, bigoted “a racist society”

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Thanks for clarifying and proving that you are a racist. I was making this too hard. You not only believe all those things, but have said so to boot.

            Push your buttons? I have told you repeatedly EXACTLY what I am doing, AND you are too stupid to figure it out. I realize the truth is too shocking for your vicious, evil mind to handle, but try to at least think IN THE BOX, if you can’t out of it.

          • James Bowen says:

            Thanks angelsinca. It is.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Glad you identify with the most egregious misbehaver in these blogs. You will surely be welcomed with open arms and adored like Julius Caesar returning from a great victory.

            Sometimes, my sense of humor gets the better of me. 🙂

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The only one that was ever squirming in these conversations was angelstink. “It” complains constantly about being harassed while it harasses the regular posters. Like all of you, you come where you are unwelcome to spew hate and lies, then you are hurt because the conversation becomes too personal.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Good morning Mr. Queeg. Still squirming over the fact that the human race does not live by an idiotic equation. Sure, it is a useful tool, but it does not feed the world anymore than pure hot air does. Nor does it govern everyday life.

            Thanks again dirtbag, for refusing to listen out of hand. Thanks also for stealing my idea and then trying to sneak it by me as some proof of your failed BS.

            You never wanted an answer to your question, you just want me to say that you are right. Sick man you are Dumbozo. You are wrong, AND you proved it yourself.

            To paraphrase John Prine, some humans aren’t human, but mean. That aptly describes you. You have the added trait of being a racist. Maybe, I could suggest that we can feed the world’s millions with your expanding ego. Of course, most people will not eat crap. I certainly will never eat any of your BS.

          • James Bowen says:

            The equation is just a demonstration that in the real world our growth will be checked one way or the other. You agree with this. The answer I was seeking was one of how we are going to deal with this problem. That’s all.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No, why would I ever agree with a monolithic idiot. You need and demand someone agree. I never agree with the unreasonable, and certainly never agree with a racist bully.

          • James Bowen says:

            I recall that you did concede that growth cannot last forever.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            1. I only proposed that growth MIGHT not go on for ever.
            2. It factually has NOTHING to do with the conversation. When and if growth ends is in the future. You speak of actions now. You cannot have it both ways, and always, just because you have delusions of grandeur.
            3. Your own “dog on a leash” equation was used, BY YOU, to give a ridiculously long time span, therefore, rendering your entire discussion moot.

            Glad to have been of service. This discussion is dead, though WE still have issues.

            Like your slur of me about what would happen to me if I said these things in public. Well, unlike yourself, I do not hang around with dangerous WHITE racist felons that are heavily armed. Just like the Target backlash over automatic weapons, the MAJORITY of America is a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y against you. You need to get away from Stormfront. The facts are, if you went into fully half the neighborhoods in this Nation, spewing your filth, you would be dead within the hour. And 90% of the rest would be telling you to get the Hell out before you got killed and they had to clean up your disgusting carcass. So, I do not care whether you spew the racist garbage you are thinking in response to the truth.

            The shit like you IS, or rather, was winning elections, but only because right-wing voters are mindless, or at best, because they have been scared away from more reasonable liberal policies, AND most of our electorate is not motivated to vote. What kind of platform and what kind of nation runs on hate? Not my America.

          • James Bowen says:

            Growth will not go on forever. It is a physical impossibility. The equation I used demonstrated that the mass of all humans would equal the Earth’s non-bacterial biomass in 500 years. That is not a long time span at all (think–500 years ago was not that long ago), and well before that natural processes will halt our growth.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            This post is a total LIE:

            1. I never knew about your 500 year bullshit.
            2. I do not agree with your 500 year bullshit.
            3. You calculated 2800 years. You are only changing it because you know how ridiculous I made you look.
            4. You were told that your equation did not, and could not be applied to living, breathing humans.
            5. The fact that you made the change shows you have zero intellectual or personal integrity.
            6. 500 years, even if considered, still tends to make you and your theories look like fools.
            7. 500 years is a short time geologically, but 500 years on average, is 25 generations. Still invalid.
            8. By seeing the need to rely, er, eh, RE-LIE, you prove my comments about your falsehood, and your equations failure as a tool predicting anything.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, I redid the calculation using the Earth’s estimated non-bacterial biomass as the finishing point instead. That turned out to be about 500 years. You even replied something to the effect that 500 years is long time in the future, which it is not. What do you disagree with regarding this calculation–whether it is going to happen or not? If you don’t think it will, that is my whole point–it won’t. It will be halted one way or another. What I propose is to avoid that another.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You do not have the right to “recalibrate” your discussion. That is an admission that you were wrong all along, and indicates doubt that you have any truth to impart now. You are just a chronic liar and a damn bad one at that.

            Do you now admit that your entire argument, your insults, and your harassing, were totally in error and uncalled for. No matter, that is exactly what you have demonstrated, regardless of what lies you tell.

            Now, make a case to prove these: Prove that your equation applies to the human race. Prove that it applies to living breathing human beings. You never have, and you never have tried.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, I was right all along, and you even begrudgingly agreed with some of my main points.

            The equation applies to the human race because the Earth’s ecosystem cannot possibly sustain a human population whose mass is equal to that of the ecosystem. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Except your post is a total pack of lies as I have destroyed this very line several times before.

            Once again, whether 500 or 2800 years is your target, and even if there is any truth to your bullshit, the only relevance of any of your nonsense is to a racist.

          • James Bowen says:

            There are no lies here. If there are, point them out. Show me where the lies are.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You said in another post, that you did not redo the calculation.

            I really think you have spoofed the real James Bowen. Even your vocabulary suggests about sophomore college level.

          • James Bowen says:

            I did redo the calculation. It’s basically the same calculation, only using the mass of the Earth’s non-bacterial biomass instead of the Earth’s mass.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You talk about lying. I have pointed out at least a dozen tonight. You will never rebut any of them, but you reserve the right to LIE. Well, meathead, keep on lying. I will keep callin’ ’em as I sees ’em.

          • James Bowen says:

            Nothing I have said has been a lie. If you disagree, point out specifically the untruths and back them up with evidence.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Actually, this post of yours is a lie. You misrepresented yourself in the first posts we ever exchanged. You lie about my agreeing with you, and constantly. You seem to need to force people to obey. I do not obey criminals and liars, so obviously, I will never agree with you.

            I certainly must refuse otherwise, because you have been given this information hundreds, literally hundreds of times. Yet, you refuse even to comment on your record of continual lies. So, I will leave this to the “court of public opinion,” or the moderator, which I have been assured, will be showing up.

            I realize that you are mentally deranged, and like all sociopathic minds, you have little fear as you do not have any empathy for your fellow man. Yet, that is your problem, and is no skin off my ass.

          • James Bowen says:

            Again, you have not displayed any evidence now or before of me being a liar.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, since that post is an obvious and willful lie, I guess that makes 838. Sorry, if I got your lies out of order.

          • James Bowen says:

            Insults and rants do not count as evidence that I am a liar.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            But your own words do. . . . Obviously. 🙂

          • James Bowen says:

            No, everything I have said is truthful to the best of my knowledge. I have provided ample background to back up my positions as well.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Are you blind, deaf, etc.? Is your IQ smaller than you belt size. No, that wouldn’t be right anyway, your belt size is big enough you would classify as a moron. That is far too smart.

            You have provided about one-tenth of what I have. Yet, you REQUIRE me to continue giving you more facts, that you immediately ignore, while you provide nothing in return. That is why I have said I will “provide” exactly what I please.

            AND, my dear shit breath faggot, what about the articles I cited late Friday and early Saturday. Failure to respond to EXACTLY the sort of data you requested proves you have no truth in anything you post. It proves you are a useless, bullying, liar.

          • James Bowen says:

            Which articles did you cite? Are you talking about that Daily Kos article? That did not answer anything I was looking for. The bottom line is that you have not provided anything except for personal attacks. I am not really even sure what it is you are trying to argue. The only times you have answered my questions are when you begrudgingly agreed with some of my main points.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Where’s the reply to my argument? I know you don’t have one, because you never had one. All you want in a conversation, is someone to kiss your ass.

            Sorry, I am fresh out of that. Kiss you will have to bend down real low and kiss your own ass.

          • James Bowen says:

            Which argument?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            How about my twice made request to call in a third party moderator to decide what the arguments are. I have not heard anything yet.

            Yesterday, I gave you a perfectly good citation, in fact several, that went directly to the discussion. As I PREDICTED you lied about the articles lacking information. Which is why I ceased posting citations to begin with. Not by my actions, BUT yours.

            I will contact your department head at UK. My reason will be simple. Someone is spoofing the real James Bowen. Surely, no one with an advanced degree can be this stupid and dishonest, especially someone that claims to be an “officer and a gentleman.”

            It’s coming, don’t think I threaten. I never do, BUT I do want you to know I am going to do it. More interesting that way.

          • James Bowen says:

            The article made no mention of Democrat and independents voting specifically to get rid of Cantor. I agree, let’s bring a moderator in.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            How do you suggest we proceed. I would not mind a high ranking professor from your University, for a whole variety of reasons. Not your mentor, and no one from your department until I have had a little chat with them. Preferably, someone from another school or a third party unaffiliated with the school at all. In that case, no one from Kansas. . . .

          • James Bowen says:

            How about a website moderator?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            How about yet again another article addressing that gerrymandering you claim to be such an expert on. Will, or can, you read this one too. You have had a zero track record so far.

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/14/1313946/-Smoking-Gun-Emails-Released-in-Texas-Gerrymandering-Trial?detail=email

          • James Bowen says:

            It is no great revelation that GOP-controlled states gerrymander, just as it is no great revelation that Democrat-controlled states gerrymander as well.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Remember, for me to “win” just this one point, all I have to do is provide a mass of articles proving that my view overwhelmingly exists. While you deny any of the evidence. Remember, you are the one that says that my evidence does not exist, though I have provided some that you refuse to acknowledge. That has been the problem all along. You came to insult people’s intelligence with your bullying, ego, god complex, but opposing evidence goes in the trash unread.

            YOU are the one always claiming I am the one always objecting, because your view is false. So, give me some options so we may get this thing done.

          • James Bowen says:

            As you suggested, a psychologist sounds like a good option, so long as he/she is a neutral party and not unduly familiar with either one of us. Perhaps just an ordinary website moderator would do too.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are so full of shit it is pathetic. Either way, is OK. But, I know you do not dare do it. So, let’s play your game of chicken. Like I have been honestly telling you all along, I am not going to blink.

            You insulted me in your very first post, and you have used repeated dishonest tactics to strive to force me to agree with your hate and lies and evil. Like I have told you, I can leave tomorrow, but I will not as long as you think you are about to win a great victory. Evil needs to be opposed and you think that which each passing day, you are about to “win.” WIN WHAT?

            Winning means very little to me. Denying that big win to you, is every reward I need. You demonstrate a refusal to admit evidence, but you want the sole ability to decide the direction of conversation.

            Seriously, we have never, never had a discussion. The great James Bowen speak, THEN the paper doll opposition grovels at your feet. Well, YOU PICKED WRONGLY. Like I told you, I only troll trolls. Rarely, will you find me somewhere else besides here. And you just come here to troll. YOU come to acquire TARGETS to shoot down, NOT read the articles.

            So, CALL FOR THE MODERATOR. Let’s just see what happens.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are just smart enough to know, that a Clinician will be appalled by your mental irregularities. That is the reason that some people are considered insane, but not criminally insane, for they retain enough sanity to understand what they are doing is wrong.

            So, go ahead! You are just stalling for time.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, but the article is not exactly “liberal” friendly, and makes it quite plain that Brat did not “win,” but that Cantor lost because the GOP faithful was either to confident, to tired, or too disillusioned to go to the polls.

            Now, with those facts firmly supported by the article, how do you think the number of votes cast was higher than normal. Hmm?

            Saying Brat supporters is not the answer. The article already took that lie off the table. So who were these people anyway?

            Again, who were all those EXTRA voters? Not Brat supporters as the article makes reasonably plain.

          • James Bowen says:

            Are you kidding? The article specifically states that it is a possibility that the GOP voters there turned against him.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No I am NOT kidding, dickhead. Where’s that Clinician at, by the way?

            If you had half sense and any honesty, you would realize that what you just said is the EXACT basis of what I have been saying.

            The voters did NOT vote for Brat, but against Cantor. And all this in an article that is not exactly “liberal” friendly.

            You just have to bullying your way through to being right, and I am totally immune to this idiocy. Yes, you are an idiot. Look it up. The origins of the word describe you completely.

          • James Bowen says:

            Whether they voted for Brat or against Cantor, Brat was the reason for it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You have already lost that point at least a half a dozen times. You are just employing your same old tired queer boy tactic of just going back and claiming the same lie is true all over again. I don’t care. Just more REAL abuse to show the moderator.

            And, by the way, I doubt if they will act, but I am in the process of writing that letter to Memo. I also will have the letter to your school ready in a few more days. I am in no hurry. I have years ahead to deal with you.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, it is you who have lost your point. You have shown me nothing to back it up. That article you sent me, if anything, backed up my argument.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You have acted consistently with my predictions. Even the cowardly end-run around the moderator. My colleagues have assured me that my assessment of you is too mild. That something must be done about you before you commit an act of violence.

            As for the argument, YOU LOST, and that, REPEATEDLY. As I said, posting evidence to you is futile, and that was the last you will ever get.

            So, go back to sucking on those Kochroaches, Teabagger. You are as queer as a three dollar bill.

          • James Bowen says:

            The only evidence you posted was something that backed up my argument.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Except it didn’t cock breath.

            Why again are you doing this?

            1. This time I will never cease posting to you.
            2. You tell lies that have no effect, because we both know you do nothing but lie.
            3. So why lie? This time next year, you will still be lying, and I will still not give a shit about any of the tripe you spew.
            4. My point is, you are causing me no harm whatsoever.

            Unlike yourself, I do not troll. As you should be able to see this for yourself. So, every post you make to me, is just one less you can fuck with some decent person with. Don’t get me wrong, please, PLEASE, do continue, but I always try to understand the motivation, or in your case, pathology that drives treasonous, hateful, racists like you.

          • James Bowen says:

            Ah, but it did. I read it and there was almost nothing that supported your far-fetched argument in it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            More mere boasts and lies from a proven racist. Dimbozo lost the argument months ago, but continues to bully and harass against someone that cannot be harmed or budged by his behavior. All to accomplish what?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you hate America so much?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you want to see America as a pariah amongst nations?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you want to see America destroyed and would commit treason to ensure this?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why are you such a racist?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Like I said, I do not troll. I have nothing better to do than ruin your day. In fact, I was ceasing to post at all. I never did post regularly. I only respond to the rampant trolls in these groups. In order to deal with me, you will at least have to let a few other decent people alone.

            So, as always, I WIN! I have been right on every point. I even know you like for the ignorant egotistical bastard that you are. You entertain me every time you post. I have only failed to carry out my plans because it just does not seem fair to whoop up on some puny asshole like you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Good morning, dirtbag. Welcome to your new reality. I hope you finally managed to sober up after that three day drunk.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Really, why do you hate America so much?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            This sack of shit will demand “evidence,” but will immediately discard anything you say as irrelevant. All the while, he offers nothing in return but lies. He cannot understand a world where his kind does not rule and he does not always have the last word.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Make no mistake shit sack, I am not threatening you. Yet, after the threats you made to me, you should feel very, very lucky. If we HAD met, I would have split your head to your Adam’s Apple with an ax, right off. You think you are god, but you are lucky if you equate with a pit of hog shit.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            For the willfully ignorant, and unbelievably arrogant pile of stinking human waste, I will repost the comment you really should have been addressing:

            You have acted consistently with my predictions. Even the cowardly end-run around the moderator. My colleagues have assured me that my assessment of you is too mild. That something must be done about you before you commit an act of violence.

            As for the argument, YOU LOST, and that, REPEATEDLY. As I said, posting evidence to you is futile, and that was the last you will ever get.

            So, go back to sucking on those Kochroaches, Teabagger. You are as queer as a three dollar bill.

          • James Bowen says:

            But you haven’t posted any evidence, at least none that backs up any argument that you have made. As far as the moderator is concerned, I am all for bringing one in.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            More lies from a proven liar. Anyway dickhead, you were all for a moderator before, until I showed you that I was really going to get one. Especially, the deal about a mental health professional really put you out, didn’t it?

            I am still laughing over that. Anyway, it has been three days since your last post. That is surrender if you ask me, and then you want to sneak back in. Forget the moderator. You are counting on the fact that you can lie your way out of it long enough that a moderator won’t bother. Well, I will just forget ever forgiving all your insults ever again, and do exactly what I said I would do.

          • James Bowen says:

            I am all for bringing a moderator in, including a mental health professional.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Hey everyone, this waste of skin has been dodging my offer to do just that for a couple of weeks now. Why does he think anyone will believe him now? He is just LYING. Just like he always does.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Go ahead. DO IT! You confuse my fully justified foul language with your own mental unfitness. Your hate, bullying, lying, bigotry, and racism. Those are not normal traits. COMMON traits for the right-wackos, BUT not NORMAL.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Pub breath, I SAID, why don’t we bring in a psych professional to be moderator. You acknowledged that, and then you dodged the whole thing.

            I already know, a real mental health professional is going to ask exactly what I have been asking. WHAT are you trying to accomplish, and what does all this effort gain you? We both know, at least the one normal one does, that I will never agree with your lies and racism. As well, I will NEVER let you have the last word, for no other reason than it is so important to your warped psyche.

            I cannot picture you as a student. You cannot learn anything on your own, you do not understand the philosophy of learning, much less of your own “field,” and obviously, it is a waste of time trying to teach you anything.

          • James Bowen says:

            I’m all for bringing a psych professional in too, or whatever else you want to call it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Do you even know what it is?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Hello again.

            Do you ever read posts that others make to you, or is it you just know to always disagree?

          • James Bowen says:

            This does not back up your argument either. The turnout in primary elections are low. That does not mean that what you said about the Brat primary is true.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            One thing that is certainly proved, you are just a simple-minded lying cocksucker. Which is it, Dimfaggo? A low turn-out or a high turn-out?

            ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL!

            Man, you are just throwing away what worthless life you have.

          • James Bowen says:

            Low turnout, but relatively high for a primary.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Except that you are trying to forget a whole lot of what you said. I won’t have it. You are just a liar.

            Anyway, you proved my point. Like ALL reputable sources said, the vote for Brat was swelled with Independents and Democrats that hated Cantor. Which, is exactly what I said to begin with. NOW, wasn’t that easy.

          • James Bowen says:

            Again, where is your evidence for that? And if that was the case, where is your evidence that they were trying to get rid of Cantor by voting for someone they perceived as even more right wing? The latter question is the one that is far-fetched and demands evidence to back up such a fantastic claim.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Evidence was repeatedly given, and like everything with you, NEVER even considered in your rush to promote your racism. I now have eleven witnesses and I am going to write directly to Memo with the facts of the case.

            Ban me for cursing, maybe, but I imagine your days are very, very numbered.

          • James Bowen says:

            I never saw any evidence, and I have read all of your posts.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You never saw anything that you chose not to see. For an individual that lies in every post, that is neither a surprise or an hardship to me. Insult, yes, but not a surprise.

          • James Bowen says:

            I chose to see all of it, and saw nothing of substance in those posts.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You would do better if you came out of your self-loathing closet, Dimbozo. At least turn the light on. What you are seeing we normal people call darkness.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            LIe! As usual.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You never saw anything that you chose not to see. For an individual
            that lies in every post, that is neither a surprise or an hardship to
            me. Insult, yes, but not a surprise.

            What other reply can there be. This IS YOUR FUTURE bub. I wonder how much time you have wasted, AND how many decent people had UNMOLESTED CONVERSATIONS while you wasted your time with me. And you will never break me. It has never been done, and it never has.

            I only bring this up for the entertainment value and satisfaction it gives me. You are a troll, but I have nothing better to do than you JUST TROLL YOU. So, you cannot ever win.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            How many times can I dispose of the same set of lies. You do your own work. Oh, that’s right, you are entitled to suck up the “gravy,” but not required to produce anything.

          • James Bowen says:

            You haven’t disposed of it even once.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            It is a good thing you are typing, you enjoy sucking dick so much, you could not part with a cock long enough to say a coherent sentence.

            Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

          • Russell Byrd says:

            What we have here folks is a total waste of flesh. This piece of shit lies in every post, and persists with some grand delusion that I will agree with his racism, bigotry, and constant lies. Won’t happen, but it is sure fun.

            This piece of shit cannot understand the simple truth that I have related to him repeatedly. I TROLL trolls. That is all I do. And now, I have nothing else to do but troll his worthless ass.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The turnout in the Cantor loss was unusually high, and you were quite proud of that though it failed to prove any of your lies. Now, you tell a further lie that the turnout is low. Particularly hilarious when one considers we are talking about the same primary.

            BUSTED! You lose again.

            Score now is RB 21, Dimboz0. What we always called “getting skunked.” Of course, you are the one that reeks here. . . . LOL!

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So, one post the turnout is high, and then you claim the turnout is low. What a prick of a LIAR.

            Damn, do you think you impress anyone with all your bullshit. Not me, and very few in this blog. That is a fact.

            Brat is well named and when I think of that word, I think of you as well. You must have been a real little doughboy prick as a kid. Liked to bully, didn’t you.

            Did daddy bend you over the bend for a beating, and then gave you a little extra “treat” afterward. Really, some is very badly damaged in your psyche.

          • James Bowen says:

            I never claimed the turnout was high. I said it was low, but it was considerably higher than normal for a primary.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            YES YOU DID!

            YOU NEVER SAID IT WAS LOW!

            In fact, I brought up how low turnout in primary elections is. Your response was to tell me that I was wrong, AS ALWAYS.

            Another damn insult from you (LIE), to attack the truth and defend an earlier insult.

            IF you did not want to converse, why did you come here? NO answer, right? At least one that you can blow by the moderator, anyway.

          • James Bowen says:

            I said it was low but higher than normal.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why is it so important to you. You still used the entire issue to promote more of your lies.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I noticed you are mum about the moderator again. Of course, I know you ALWAYS lie, so why do you think it will matter what bullshit you claim.

            You seem to want to suggest that a moderator will blame me for all the bad language, BUT I tell the truth, while you always lie. My insults to you are just blatant responses to the underlying disrespect that you have shown these blogs, the posters, and myself from the first off-topic post you made. That is, from the very first post you made.

          • James Bowen says:

            I’m all for bringing the moderator in.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You know you are lying out your ass, cocksucker. Just like you have always done.

            You have earned every curse word I can throw at you. All you do is to try and control the conversation, bully, and lie. You have been doing it from the first post you ever made in this blog.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Here’s a little something for you, shitsack.

            ‘The intermingling of blood and the resulting decline in the racial standards is the sole cause of the downfall of all cultures, because people are not destroyed by losing wars, but by the loss of that power of resistance that is vested only in pure blood.’
            Adolf Hitlerin Mein Kampf

          • Russell Byrd says:

            By the way, I WANT the mental health guy to evaluate ALL your posts.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Folks, do you know what the very first response from this sack of shit to me was. He wanted to claim higher moral and intellectual standing because he has a “master’s” degree. Well, so fucking what, I have one too, and a whole lot more undergrad and graduate qualifications besides.

            BUT, I do not bully people with that. Of course, when you are a treasonous, racist, bigoted, LYING, no argument bully like Jim Dimbozo, I guess that has to do. It is just about all that he’s got.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            All this because you are an arrogant, egotistical, bullying, harassing liar with delusions of grandeur. Throw in incredibly rampant racism, that you are not even man enough to admit to, and we have some pile of stinking sewage.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            My only question has been, and for some time now, are you really “James Bowen.”

            Face it, I will never stop posting to you this time. Everyday for ever, from now one. No remorse, no forgiveness. Even I were to want to stop, I have a half dozen colleagues that would love to have a go at you. I won’t allow that, but honor can only cover so many evils. As you have none, why should I give a damn about fair play?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yeah, just as likely “Bonzo” was the reason for it. At least Bonzo was smarter than his “leading man.”

            You really need to learn a little logic. You keep contradicting yourself.

          • James Bowen says:

            Brat presented Cantor as out of touch and being very close to big business. That is why they voted against Cantor.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            My point in bringing this back up is very simple. You would rather lie and bully your way to forcing the other posters to cease, leaving you in charge of “the field.” You would rather do so than admit for even one second that the other party has even one tiny point. Your delusions of grandeur drive you to do so, and your lack of empathy just make you all the more disgusting.

            So, let the moderator be a Psych MD, or a clinician. I may go for any Psychology professor. Then heshe could shrink both of us at the same time they are deciding this little game.

          • James Bowen says:

            Steve King rules!

            Like I said before, the anti-amnesty side is on the opposite side of big business and big donors, so they do not have the money to organize rallies like the pro-amnesty side does. Additionally, Americans who oppose amnesty are generally busy trying to make ends meet and do not have the time, money, or flexibility to attend such rallies. What they can do is contact Congress, and they have done so in numbers that exceed that of the pro-amnesty side by orders of magnitude.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Steve King sucks as much as you do. No wonder you are so in love with him.

            You are amazingly pathetic, but rather funny in your contrived attempts to always disagree regardless of the evidence arrayed against you.

            Do you think, “Steve King rules!” bothers me in the least. Like all bad shit, he will pass, and sooner than you would rather admit. LOL!

          • Russell Byrd says:

            We have here an amazingly disagreeable bully with a psyche that must have, not only the last word, but complete agreement with all his racism and lies. My entire rationale is just to deny him his lame and meaningless life goal. There is just not much else going on with this sorry waste of skin.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Imagine, a sack of shit like Dimbozo who would throw away his entire life to gain absolutely nothing from someone that knows him like a book.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why don’t we let a third party decide the argument?

          • James Bowen says:

            Sounds good to me.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you lie in every post?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have provided hundreds of bits of “background” and you totally ignored all of it.

            What are you trying to accomplish? Get someone to kiss your ass when you bully with hundreds of lies.

            Don’t bother threatening me like you did with your “friend” angelstench. If you were in my presence, I would without hesitation show you the price of your deceit, hate, bullying, treason. lies, and racism.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, you have not.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, I have. Na-na-nana-nah!

            What a dishonest infant you are. You do not impress me, or anyone else, with your LIES.

            Which, of course, your above blurb is an example of . . . LIE! 🙂

          • James Bowen says:

            I haven’t seen any.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Which is exactly what every liar and criminal since the dawn of time has said. . . .

            Therefore, irrelevant. Just like I told you a thousand posts ago.

            I have let you “off the hook” several times, but you keep jumping into the boat to get caught again. YOU NEED that precious last word. I don’t, but I have been here to demonstrate to you what the real cost of trying to obtain that goal will be.

            I have been honest with you from the start. All you have done is lie. In your mind, like almost all wackjob radicals, religious nuts, etc., you think you have a right to say anything, because you alone have the right to “win.”

            I don’t give a shit about winning. Just YOU losing!

          • Russell Byrd says:

            After your behavior and performance, that disclaimer is of as much value as spitting in a fire storm.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Ever notice that I give a reasoned discussion, and for several hundred posts, actually gave “evidence.” While your entire rationale is to disagree with everything the other party says, demand evidence that has already been provided, ignore knowledge completely, and then demand that the other party agree with your idiotic mantra.

          • James Bowen says:

            You haven’t provided evidence, just nonsensical rants.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Tell me Bozo. are you spoofing the real James Bowen? You are far too stupid to be an academic. Even a lying, weird one.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You ask a question, I ANSWER it.
            I discredit, and debunk your nonsense.

            I ask a question, you IGNORE it.
            Refuse rational discussion or evidence.
            Then you just ask the question again.

            That is why I call you what I want, and I give whatever evidence that I what, or none, if that pleases me.

          • James Bowen says:

            I answer questions that are relevant to the subject and not personal questions. You have answered very few of my questions and provided no backup to your viewpoints, and that is why I ask questions over and over again.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I guess, you will just have to learn the hard way. This will go on for years.

            Lie all you want. I will never agree.
            You will never get me to agree with a closet queen asshole like you.

            How do you like this nonsensical rant?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are not about being right. You are about bullying and having someone crawl at your feet.

            My, my, a sorry childhood you must have had. Your step-daddy have you back in the woods with your pants down much? And that wasn’t a switch in his had either.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            When you make a good faith effort to post according to the terms of service, and not be an obnoxious liar, and a whiner about my insults, when your nonstop lies are much, much worse, then I will start backing-up with evidence again. As you do not recognize anything as evidence, then there is not point.

            Doubly so, because I not only do not agree with ANY of your lies, but I will never do anything you demand unless it is my pleasure to do so.

            In other words moron, if it occurs to ME to do something, then I will do it, regardless if you demand or not. On the strict basis of what you want, you will receive nothing. 🙂

          • James Bowen says:

            Again? You have not done it at all. You have no evidence that I am a liar.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The only thing holding back proof is your denial, and coming from a liar that ain’t worth squat.

          • James Bowen says:

            How convenient for you. Show it and I will read it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Your reading comprehension is at the seventh grade level. No surprise.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I might add that you can find the proof of your errors in abundance. Which is your responsibility, not mine. As far as me doing anything, your refusal to actually have a conversation relieved me of any responsibility.

          • James Bowen says:

            No. You made the accusation, so you are charged with backing it up. Thus far, you have demonstrated an ability to do so.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Which I have proven several hundred times. Why don’t we bring on a moderator to go back to the beginning and determine the facts of the matter?

          • James Bowen says:

            I’m all for that.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            An officer and a gentleman? Damn if you are not an embarrassment to your service.

            Chronic bullying liar with delusions of grandeur and an ego that will not fit in the Grand Canyon. Unfortunately, you will not gain any ground with me.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Your continued failure to accept ANY argument except for your own lies, is in itself a lie. Simple logic. As I have said, I will only contribute exactly what I please. You had SEVERAL HUNDRED opportunities to be reasonable and actually discuss your theories, BUT all you wanted was to bully someone into agreeing with your hate, treason, and racism.

            Sorry, just go fuck yourself. By the way, since you were 24 hours late, I WIN again. I guess you needed to get alkyed up to have the courage to face me. So, I can add moral coward to your mix of faults. Which, for bullies, is entirely normal.

          • James Bowen says:

            Demonstrate that I have lied. I have discussed extensively my theories (which aren’t really mine).

            By the way, believe it or not, I do have a life outside this comment thread. My life does not revolve around your posts.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you lie with every post?

          • James Bowen says:

            Demonstrate that I am lying.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            AND thank you very much for agreeing with everything I said, over every post I have ever made.

            Dumb fuck bozo said, “Thus far, you have demonstrated an ability to do so.”

            Thank you for finally seeing the truth and the light.

          • James Bowen says:

            See my edit. I left out a word.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Like I said, thanks for finally seeing the truth of what I said, and admitting that you have done nothing but lie.

          • James Bowen says:

            See my edit. I left a word out.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Since you refuse to read, tell the truth, or be anything but a bullying dick, I repeat, ” your refusal to actually have a conversation relieved me of any responsibility.”

          • James Bowen says:

            I have read everything you have posted, and none of it has been anything of substance.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            “The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed.” – Stephen Biko

            As a bully, you probably don’t see how this connects to you so well.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Let me give you a little hint of one of the issues Mr. Biko’s statement touches on. Rumpbuggercon propaganda does not convince anyone with an IQ higher than an Imbecile’s. I mean that is clinically the truth. Yet, what it does do is destroy the resolve of the masses to do anything about the problems of the Nation. Like going to vote. That is what causes low voter turnout, and incidentally, is the mechanism that backfired, coupled with more Teabugger propaganda, and led to the defeat of Cantor.

          • James Bowen says:

            But where is your evidence to back this statement up?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Case was already made, and proven.

            Denial is meaningless. I can do exactly what you do. When I tell the truth, you deny and lie. When you lie, I will just tell the truth again. So it goes, and so it will go until you finally see the error of your ways.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, it was not. Show it to me.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you lie so much?

          • James Bowen says:

            Rants do not count as evidence.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Russ says” Evidence does not count as rants.

            Dumbozo says: Evidence does not count as evidence. In fact, evidence does not exist unless I want it to, and then it does not have to be real, or true.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As always, you only recall that which makes you feel justified and powerful. Fuck the truth, RIGHT?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            “The equation” is just a meaningless demonstration to prove that Jim Dumbozo has a right to bully everyone into submission.

            The planet Ignorance revolves around you. You are its “sun.”

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You believe that human fate is controlled by an equation into which you have fed contrived data.
            The first premise is patently untrue, while the second is merely self-serving, and only indicative of a very inferior intellect. No doubt you can do math, but as far as any other logic or knowledge, you possess almost none. I will grant you have an amazing capacity for racism, and even more for the denial of tour racism.

            It is odd that you engage in the worst insults that have ever been known to mankind. That is the constant lies you state in every post. Yet, you are offended by coarse words that actually describe you and your behavior well.

            Everything is about your racism, which you keep claiming is not racism. Yet, it is all that you can
            talk about. Everyone, yes, every one of your talking points has been repeatedly destroyed, and yet you persist. Any idiot can continue to repeat meaningless nonsense. It proves no more after threethousand times, as it did the first time. So?

            You are arrogant, and incredibly ignorant. You answer no questions, because everything is personal. You have delusions of grandeur, a superiority complex, and are egotistical to an unbelievable degree. The problem with those things is, down deep no one like that really feels secure. Those are just ploys to disguise inadequacies that you are scared to death that others might see.

            You are morally, ethically, and intellectually dishonest. Yes, the first post you made to me you tried to make your case by trumping my argument with your academic credentials. That went a long way to prove everything I have had to say since. Any decent, humble, and intelligent man, yes, intelligent, knows that your argument is based on fact and reason, not on educational attainment. You demonstrate that attainment by making a logical, well-reasoned, and well-supported argument. Yet, all your arguments are based on a busted equation and bluster.

            You dismiss evidence out of hand. Apparently without even considering it. You steer conversations totally off-topic, and then you decide what may be said in your excursion into violating the “terms of service.”

            Your racism is astounding and nearly unlimited. As incredible as it may seem, only your denials of your racism could exceed that. All your devices are just ploys to misdirect from the fact that you are very simply a racist.

            As well, and it connects directly to your racism, you said right off that the immigrants were getting all the choice jobs, and little ol’ fat, swell headed, slob of a gob Dimbozo could not get a job. Imagine that.
            Superman was not able to get the do nothing, six figure job he thinks he has coming because he is a sociopathic bully and was born white.

            You claim you are not anti-labor, but mention the poorer occupations, or Heaven forbid, someone mentions unions, and you shout down with scorn on anyone wanting basic rights. Like all the sewage tea drinkers, you claim to be independent, but you only attackDemocrats.

            You do these things where you are certainly not
            welcome. Yet, though you upset many people, in the end, no one gives a damn about anything you say. You change no minds whatsoever. In fact, as all trolls have done here, you harden hearts and instill resolve to destroy your racist philosophy completely.

            What I fully understand about you is the most glaring enigma of all. You post to me like an infant
            throwing a very controlled, slow motion tantrum. You cannot “win” anything, as I am totally committed and totally immune to you nonsense. So, you are proving nothing except you are emotionally unstable, and you need to be watched. So, of course nothing is going to happen to you now, but I think that future you BSed about
            is purely a thing of the past.

            Am I going to complain to the moderators? Absolutely not. I have always been honest with you on every subject, in spite of your patent dishonesty in every response. So, I will just say that you will get this message or a similar one in your inbox until you fall out of the blogs, cancel your email, or the moderators jerk your privileges. Like I said, that was what I repeatedly told you I would do, but I keep forgiving you. No more. So, laugh away, but every bit of your racist malarkey you waste on me, just mean you will not be trashing someone else.

          • James Bowen says:

            The mass of the Earth, the mass of the Earth’s non-bacterial biomass, and the growth rate of the human population since 1972 are not contrived data. The equation does not control our fate either. It is a simple demonstration of the unsustainability of our growth.

            Everything I have proposed would be greatly beneficial to American labor–that has been one of my main points.

            As for evidence, you have submitted very little.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As for evidence, you have submitted almost nothing. Just manufactured rot and racist opinion.

            Yourship sailed long ago, Dimbozo, and it was lost at sea. You cannot recoup the losses you have suffered, but by all means, keep trying.

          • James Bowen says:

            I have submitted articles, references, website visitation ratings, and I have even worked through some formulae to demonstrate my points. Take away all the insults and personal attacks, I could probably count on one hand the evidence you have submitted. And of that, one was in total agreement with what I was saying, more than one had almost nothing to do with what we were talking about whatsoever, one was from the Daily Kos (a publication which seems to have serious issues with the USA), and one was from the profiteering SPLC.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            At least the SPLC tells the truth without all the hate you fascist racists like to pour out.

            As far as your evidence, every bit is so obviously tainted as to cause censure and removal from the faculty of any real university in this country. You post nothing except racist double talk. Regardless, you are still racist.

          • James Bowen says:

            The SPLC does not tell the truth. They are profiteers who recklessly smear those who don’t agree with them on everything (kind of like someone else I know).

            As for my evidence and references, Dr. Al Bartlett was a respected professor at the University of Colorado. The Center for Immigration Studies is made up of professionals, many of whom are retired civil servants. Internet ratings sites are certainly not tainted. Bottom line: nothing I have sent you is tainted.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Sorry that you are a lying asshole. Well, I’m not really sorry. As for the SPLC, they are proven to be telling the truth. That is a true indication of just how morally corrupt and evil a son of a bitch like you really is. Perfect, no, but they work positively for the good of those oppressed. You wish to oppress, which is evil.

            Why do you think the SPLC wins so many judgements? And don’t bother with your standard cock-sucking lying insults, as many of those cases are decided by Repub appointees.

            The proof is entirely on my side. You just hate, therefore, as you have an excess of evil and viciousness, you hate those that aim to do good. And you writhe in pain over those that successfully do good.

            As for your well-known racist hero, well, he is a proven racist, and his disciple is as well. Why don’t I tell all those minority students what you think of them. I have been reluctant to do so, but all I have to do is quote you. I do not need to make up anything.

            Laughing my ass off at a morally decrepit mental midget.

          • James Bowen says:

            The SPLC did some good work and won a lot of judgements up to the year 2000 or so, but since then have done nothing. Even before then there were signs of problems. Charity watchdogs have given them very low ratings due to having a large amount of money put away, suggesting they are a for-profit corporation disguised as a non-profit civil rights group. They do not always tell the truth either. They sometimes smear people with ugly lies and falsehoods, such as John Tanton. Tanton finally replied by challenging them to a public debate, which they did not take him up on.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            From a simple logic standpoint, your entire post is an obvious lie. They are still attacking racists like you, and they are still winning.

            So, your biased racist opinion is obviously of no value even to yourself.

          • James Bowen says:

            None of what I have said is a lie here. The SPLC has come under scrutiny concerning their integrity. And to my knowledge they have never tried to take an immigration-reduction group to court. I think they are smart enough to know that they have no real case against such groups, so they just rely on smear tactics and character assassination instead.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You do little but lie, as you have done so here. The SPLC came under scrutiny? Maybe a little, but that was driven by your racist brethren.

            By the way, Drs. Shitstick and Condom have been under scrutiny constantly for forty years. Don’t need to character assassinate when you can just repeat their own words and expose their deeds.

          • James Bowen says:

            These groups such as the SPLC that have attacked restrictionists have said nothing of the merits of their arguments, they have just made personal attacks.

            Charity ratings groups give the SPLC low marks.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Oh yes they have addressed the merits, but a racist fuckstick like you wants everything you way.

            And the SPLC is NOT a charity, you lying cocksucker.

          • James Bowen says:

            They have not addressed the merits. They have attacked the character of those who push for immigration restriction as it relates to the ecological and economic well-being of America, but said nothing to refute their argument.

            The SPLC is ostensibly a non-profit, which is what charity ratings groups are interested in. They get low marks because their practices and their large bank accounts call into question how non-profit they really are.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Right, fuckstick. It is a non-profit that does good work for the disadvantaged. It is not a charity.

            Tantrum, and Dr. Shitstick, on the other hand, do/did only evil, and work for the defeat of all that is decent.

            By the way, the SPLC only gets low marks from other desperate racists like you. Therefore, to any reasonable, decent human being, their opinions are of no consequence.

            As well:

            You admitted that, “There is hard evidence that Tanton is a racist.”

            For the record, I copied that quote from a gem of a James Bozo post I accessed at 1900 hours, on 2014-09-09.

          • James Bowen says:

            The point is that charity watchdogs concern themselves with all non-profits, and they give the SPLC low marks.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Except, that is provedly untrue. So, lying to me gets you what?

            Go lick the sweat out of Tanton’s crack some more. Maybe that way, he can impart some more of his wisdom to you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Thanks fuckstick. I got to hand it to you, I could not have imagined someone as arrogant and ignorant as you. I would not though it possible that someone like you could exist.

            “The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is an American nonprofit civil rights organization noted for its legal victories against white supremacist groups, its legal representation for victims of hate groups, its classification of militias and extremist organizations, and its educational programs that promote tolerance.”

            ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS. And you gave it freely, as a gift to little old me. Thanks, I will cherish it.

          • James Bowen says:

            Read the section titled “Finances” in this article.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So? Reaching are we, Dimbozo?

          • James Bowen says:

            I would say that, regarding the question of the SPLC being a corrupt non-profit, that section is important.

            Here is another American hero.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            How many posts has your retarded ass fucked up. You have proved my points for me at least six times. Yet, you deny doing so. It does not matter, because we both know that I am correct.

            Like now . . . Oops, maybe you intended to answer this way! Your heroes do not exist, therefore you have nothing to post.

            As for your perverted racist Tantrum:

            You admitted that, “There is hard evidence that Tanton is a racist.”

            For the record, I copied that quote from a gem of a James Bozo post I accessed at 1900 hours, on 2014-09-09.

            I loved that, and I always will.

          • James Bowen says:

            Hmm…don’t know what went wrong there. Anyway, I pasted a photo of Rep. Steve King there. I don’t know why it did not show up.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The queer filters must still be on in this blog. They usually take them off after awhile.

            Er, I just realized, those filters must not have been working. You are still here. So accept my sincere regrets at your total incompetance. ROTFL!

            You know Dimbozo, with your skillful (not) help, I have blown your sub(human) prattle out of the water so many times it is almost getting old.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So, you want to bring in another well recognized bigot that has made racist statements for years.

            How about a very generic statement by the freak Tanton, “whether the minorities who are going to inherit California (85% of the lower-grade school children are now ‘minorities’ — demography is destiny) can run an advanced society?”

            No one would ask that question unless he was going to support white supremacy. What lie do you say in return?

          • James Bowen says:

            I do not agree with all of Tanton’s viewpoints, but this does not make him a racist. John Tanton is more like a nationalist who believes that U.S. culture should be totally Western and that the immigrants who we do take in should be completely assimilated into such a Western culture. Cultural supremacist, maybe, but there is no evidence that he harbors racial hatred. As far as his environmental work is concerned, you will not find one who is more devoted.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Tanton IS a racist. That has been known for a long time.

            I gave you more examples that just the SPLC. And, like I said, one gets carefully cultivated hits right up front lauding your racists, but if you dig in a couple of pages, you find the real truth of who you, and they, actually are.

          • James Bowen says:

            There is hard evidence that Tanton is a racist. He has never suggested anyone is inferior because of their skin color. What is has suggested is that other cultures are incompatible with ours.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU.

            Freud was right. You finally told the truth.

            You admitted that, “There is hard evidence that Tanton is a racist.”

            That is C-O-R-R-E-C-T !!!!!!!!!

            And you reinforce YOUR truth by saying he, “suggested is that other cultures are incompatible with ours.” Which is as obvious a racist statement as anyone can make.

          • James Bowen says:

            It was a typo, and as you can see I have corrected it. There is no hard evidence that Tanton is a racist. There is nothing racist about suggesting cultural incompatibility (although I don’t necessary agree with Tanton here). There is no evidence to suggest that Tanton believes that people should be rejected because of how they look and what color their skin is.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Can’t correct the truth.

            As well:

            You admitted that, “There is hard evidence that Tanton is a racist.”

            For the record, I copied that quote from a gem of a James Bozo post I accessed at 1900 hours, on 2014-09-09.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! This lying, abusing, harassing, bigoted, racist troll posted the truth of the matter. NOW, in the post above, he has surreptitiously changed the post to a position more favorable.

            I call this to your attention in order for the true record of events to be recorded for prosperity.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The original reads:

            “There is hard evidence that Tanton is a racist.”

            For the record, I copied that quote from a gem of a James Bozo post I accessed at 1900 hours, on 2014-09-09.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            BUT, the truth is Tanton is an extremist that no one wants to let soapbox on their nickel.

            Where you fail and continue to show your racism, more and more plainly, is you conveniently accuse SPLC of not wanting to debate, but in return, the SPLC merely uses Tanton’s own racist rhetoric against him. Just like I do TO YOU. Tanton wanted the debate so he could preach to the faithful, but not allowing this does not disprove the evidence that is already being used against him. ALL THAT IS STILL TRUE. So, you proved nothing at all except you are in love with another racist. Thanks for fully supporting my argument.

          • James Bowen says:

            John Tanton is a great American patriot and citizen. The SPLC were all for smearing him, but would not take him up on his challenge. That says they were not confident of the charges they were making against him.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Tanton is another of your great racists and no patriot at all. Just another dim-witted bigot that made up a spiel to fool even dumber bigots.

            Like I said, why would anyone debate. Your gang of degenerates will claim victory anyway, but what he truly believes will still be in the record of evidence against him. No, it does not mean the SPLC was not confindent, it just means they are smart enough to not to let this dickhead spew his hate on their nickel.

          • James Bowen says:

            Tanton is one of the greatest patriots I know of.

            The SPLC would not debate because they have no counter-arguments to Tanton’s and the restrictionists’ arguments.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Tanton is another cocksucker just like you. He is as treasonous as you are and desires to push America to the brink.

            You lost the argument about the debate. Repeat that lie all you want, but everyone knows Tanton would not really have debated anyone, even if he had the nerve to show up. We both know all he wanted was a soap box at someone else’s expense.

          • James Bowen says:

            No we don’t know that. What we do know is that Tanton challenged them and they did not take him up on his challenge.

            Tanton, like me, wants to stabilize America and pull it away from the brink. That is the total opposite of treason.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So, Tanton is NOT a cocksucker just like you? Well, you would know, wouldn’t you.

            What we know is is that Tanton IS a racist, and nothing of import would be debated by him while he would be preaching a racist sermon. Let Tanton pay for the debate out of his own pocket.

          • James Bowen says:

            To answer the question put forward by this article, I would make it extremely difficult for them to find work here. If all employers are required to use E-Verify and this is backed up by SSN-No Matching, they would not be able to make it here and would leave.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Thank you for finally agreeing with me after hundreds of posts. You do see the light every now and then.

            Of course, I realize something that you are too stupid to see. After a period of time, you always seem to want to claim the ideas of others as your own.

            Again, you are academically, intellectually, and personally dishonest. Where I come from, you are called a LIAR.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, I have been dealing with this blowhard idiot, Bozo Bobo. I answer his flurry of nonsense, and we are done. Then when it feels it is convenient, it will stir the pot again. Of course, it is getting nowhere. All it is doing is wasting its time and proving it is mad, foolish, and stupid. I have been merciful, but I think a little round the clock sniping, AT MY PLEASURE, might just send this emotionally disturbed, mental midget over the edge.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Repeated for your NON-reading pleasure:

            Again,

            What was your purpose coming to this blog? Even that suck ass friend of yours angelstink claims this is just a MINOR LIBERAL BLOG. You willfully came to a site where the regular posters hate, literally hate, racists like you. Why would you come here to post unless you wereare just a dick head?

            What are you trying to accomplish? I already know. Yet I wonder if you do, or are you just an unstable bat shit crazy loonie that is slaying some great dragon in thatcesspool you have for a mind? You don’t need to be around anything NUKE-U-LAR. . . .

            By the way, these are not personal questions except to the extent that you CANNOT answer them. I mean, are you just an asshole, or are you just nuts?

          • James Bowen says:

            I have already answered this question, and I will give a summarized version of my previous answer. There are some good commentaries on this site that I agree with. That’s why I come here.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Another proven lie. You come to spew racism. You do not even seem to know what the topics are. At best, you come to get wound up for another rant.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/22/1315735/-Idaho-Casino-dumps-Ted-Nugent?detail=email

            Normal decent people despise liars, bullies, and racists. Of course, you don’t understand that do you.

            By the way Dimbozo, I do have a excess of compassion for others. But a dumb dickhead, egotistical bully does not warrant any compassion.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I think the problem has been that you are the blowhard. You came to where you ideas are not welcome. Of course, you have a right to express your opinion, but after doing so you will not leave until everyone either complies or gives up the conversation. That shows the arrogant, ignorant evil that you really are. Just like you hero angelstench. You two were a matched pair.

            I hate to say it, angelfilth might actually be smarter.

          • elw says:

            Funny that you should feel that way – you seem as free as I am to write on this blog. Perhaps you are confusing disagreement with being censored or the simple fact that others have the right not to listen to what you have to say.

          • angelsinca says:

            Not confused. Just amused that antagonism would be called disagreement, and that being discouraged to speak isn’t considered censorship. Apologies for interrupting the GOP blame-fest.

          • elw says:

            Actually being discourage not to speak is far different then censorship. When you are censored you are allowed no voice and you have a very loud voice on this blog. That people choose to ignore you is their choice and BTW their right. I am sure you do not understand the difference between antagonism and disagreement.

          • angelsinca says:

            Popularity isn’t a concern. Though it’s common practice for the left to comfort itself by disregarding the concerns of the right. The irony echoes every time liberals discuss conservatives. Go away, shut up, you are to be ignored; this seems more like antagonism than disagreement.

          • elw says:

            What you describe is not censorship. Not any where near it. Granted people are not being polite to you, but I have read your entry – you are not so nice yourself. If you cannot take it, you should not dish it out. Blogs are not the place for people who are too sensitive.

          • angelsinca says:

            OK, you are probably right. Free speech deterrence is probably a better term here than censorship. The message is still the same and not changed by a nomenclature debate; there are better ways to deal with disagreement than insult and blame.

            Fault me for naively expecting a MOSTY Liberal blog would promote better understanding and compassion through the free exchange of opinion and ideas.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are an ass of epic proportions. You come to this MINOR, as you put it, liberal blog to antagonize everyone and break up conversations. Then you cannot figure out why someone like me will ride your stupid ass into the ground.

            All you do is tell lies, in a blog that values truth. Go figure. Why don’t you hang out in Breitfart. Of course, you are so bad, you are not even welcome there.

            So go on another motor mouth series of rants. It has gotten you squat in the past, and bet your bottom stolen dollar that will be the outcome now.

            Why don’t you leave these people alone. You are trying to destroy this blog and free speech by the use of inflammatory lies.

            The evidence that no one is denying your free speech, is in the incredible body of lies you have told here. It is irrefutable.

          • angelsinca says:

            No Russell, YOUR focus on attacking others is ruining this blog.

            Your untruthful accusations are soiling these pages.

            Your exhibition of rage and hate has created a hostile culture.

            Your campaign to exorcise the site of supposed evil has devalued the content.

            Your threatening nature has transformed worthwhile discussion into a sideshow of verbal abuse.

            Your repeated vulgarities have spiraled the content into the gutter.

            Your pursuit of personal vendetta has repeatedly chased away contributors.

            When was the last time you read the TOS for this site? You may want to pay close attention to Art 8 Sec (e): (You agree that you will not) “Stalk” or otherwise harass another.

            When you decide to step away from this place, it should improve considerably within a month. The Memo might even mature into a quotable site.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No Angelstink, YOUR focus on attacking others is ruining this blog.

            Your untruthful accusations are soiling these pages.

            Your exhibition of rage and hate has created a hostile culture.

            Your campaign to exorcise the site of supposed evil has devalued the content.

            Your threatening nature has transformed worthwhile discussion into a sideshow of verbal abuse.

            Your repeated vulgarities have spiraled the content into the gutter.

            Your pursuit of personal vendetta has repeatedly chased away contributors.

            When was the last time you read the TOS for this site? You may want to pay close attention to Art 8 Sec (e): (You agree that you will not) “Stalk” or otherwise harass another.

            When
            you decide to step away from this place, it should improve considerably
            within a month. The Memo might even mature into a quotable site.

          • angelsinca says:

            Plagiarism. You should use quotes when you steal someone’s writings, Russell.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            In fact, you stole every one of those lines from me. You constantly steal the intellectual property of others.

            In any case, it’s public domain, dumbass. The lines have been used before, BY ME!
            How about that deal, Angelchickenshit?

          • angelsinca says:

            Not a fact but another intentional lie. Flagged

          • Russell Byrd says:

            It’s a fact, flag away. Maybe, if you can actually get a moderator here, they can figure out what you have been doing for years.

            Oh, and flagged, of course!

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I could add, you are one of the reasons Memo is not getting the attention it deserves. Too many low quality posts. Mostly from trolls like you. It is widely documented. I told you so before, Memo will have to take the risk and start ejecting trolls like you, or they will go the way of the Dodo.

            So, I will make you a deal. WE BOTH STOP POSTING. RIGHT NOW! You stay away from the Liberal groups and I will not harass you in any way. Guaranteed.

            Of course, as we both know that you are the problem and that you cannot quit, and because of your mental derangement, you will refuse with some lame BS about your rights. As I said, no one except a couple of trolls are complaining about me. By the way, I am very familiar with the “tos.” I am the one that keeps quoting it too you.
            You have to steal your ideas from me. You cannot even think for yourself. Faux and Rushie do that for you.

            So, why not agree?

          • angelsinca says:

            Try reading the TOS instead of abusing them. The only thing i will ever agree to with you is to call you out on your agressions and attacks on me and others. You can’t be trusted Byrd. At this point, with your multiple threats to me and repeated bad behavior toward others, I prefer to just avoid you. I don’t need your concurrence to do that. But, I can flag every inappropriate comment you decide to post that I come across. If you continue your harassment campaign to chase me or anyone else off ANY site, I will flag ALL of your comments. There are no conditions or restrictions. Enjoy.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Once again, oh idiot. I only attack you because of your constant bullying and trolling in this group AND in MJ, on occasion. If you want relief, then go away.

            In fact, until recently, I had not posted at all for a couple of months. You had to drop one of your verbal turds in my inbox, so you only have yourself to blame for my resurrection. If peace is what you want, LEAVE. It is not me trolling groups that I neither belong in, nor am welcome in.

            Your comment about me abusing you and your ilk, equates with a gang of serial rapists that are mad at the police because they got caught. You are very much the criminal. You are a harasser, bully, liar, and troll. Cease and this game will end.

            Once again, all anyone has to do is read our posts, but especially, check our posting history. You troll constantly, while I only troll garbage like you. If I upset you, remember with your criminal behavior, you do not deserve civility.

            Like the shit you posted to elw. You are pathetic. Don’t you realize that after all your bluster and threats, everyone can still read the history of your posts. And a sad history it is.

          • angelsinca says:

            Flagging for TOS violation Section 8e

          • Russell Byrd says:

            What about that sweetheart deal I offered you? Hmm? I notice you will not even acknowledge my request.

            Anyway, flagged for years of violating TOS sections 8b (breathtakingly), 8e, and 8n. . . As you have said, you are only here to “educate” and destroy the blogs. That statement equates with destroying Memo, by the way. Bullying, lies, and constant disruption is not education.

            You have left a trail going back years. All I have ever done is give it back to you. Two wrongs may not make a right, but it does slow you down and ruins your fun.

            All I have really asked you to do, is post your ignorant, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, hateful, and breathtakingly untrue malarkey, AND then leave people alone. Instead, you go into motor mouth mode.

            By the way, I logged the posts where you admitted your true intentions in this blog. That should be enough to get your account closed, permanently. So, go ahead and flag to your hearts content.

            If anyone says we should ignore you, then I will say the same goes for you. Leave us alone here, or post civilly.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            There is no violation in the TOS for telling the truth. Sorry. . .

          • Russell Byrd says:

            But, you are not avoiding me, are you? You cannot tell the truth even once.

            In my view the most disgusting creature on Earth is one that lies, because they are capable of any misdeed imaginable, at any time. ALL you do is lie. So can you not see why I am so harsh with you.

          • angelsinca says:

            Another Flag

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Flag away creep. If you think that is not true, you are more deranged than I thought. I know you read what I have been posting to you for several years, because eventually, you always get around to stealing it.

            That right-wing ploy of being abused because you are an evil bastard, does not work you me.

            I will flag you too. Do you really want a moderator to come down and read your abuse of the “TOS.” So, flag away thief!

          • Sand_Cat says:

            I’m starting to look downright friendly and welcoming. I’m sure we’d all be welcomed warmly on your favorite right-wing blog.
            Sorry, but those of us who’ve watched one GOP administration after another violate the law, lie, attempt to undermine the opposition’s ability to vote or speak or demonstrate publicly, and pretty much control the dialog and get most of what they want passed or repealed and appoint “administrators” and judges who will ignore the rest for most of the last 30 years or so find it just a touch annoying listening to all the hysterical concern for endangered “liberties” by the same semi-totalitarians whenever a Democrat – even one as mild and conservative as Carter, Clinton, and – yes – even Obama – is elected. You’ve had your way in most particulars for most of that time, yet your party is the one that is enraged and constantly complaining and hand-wringing about the end of world, even when they’re in power.
            Then you and your friends come here and subject us to your infantile and largely fact-free whining and accuse us of “censorship” or “free-speech deterrence” when we don’t like it.
            YOUR party is the one always pushing some censorship initiative or another. We may not like what you say, but we don’t support LAWS restricting you, and a lot of us didn’t support banning of some of the trolls who used to frequent this site.
            YOUR party is the one trying to prevent the opposition from voting through mis-use of the law.
            Almost everything of which you and friends accuse us applies much more to you or others who support your cause.
            Again, what SPECIFIC liberties of yours are endangered, and what SPECIFIC things has this administration done to endanger them?

          • angelsinca says:

            “Again, what SPECIFIC liberties of yours are endangered, and what SPECIFIC things has this administration done to endanger them?”

            Ask Snowden. And thank you for not constantly whining about republicans. And for not allowing the debt to continue to grow. And for promoting complete harmony among the races, the genders, the classes and the generations. Thanks for the destabilization throughout the middle east, the centrifuges in Iran, the betrayal of Israel, and the enabling of Putin. Most of all, thanks for the food stamps, the long term unemployed and renewing the fears of domestic political retribution.

          • elw says:

            The only thing I am faulting you for is the fact that you are blaming others for the very same things you do to people on this blog. Just one more point – no one have stopped you from sharing your ideas, they have just chosen not exchange theirs with yours – which is their Right. We all have the right to our own ideas and thoughts and with whom we want to share or discuss them with.

          • angelsinca says:

            Thanks for the advice, elw. I did revisit my posts where I replied to you. In every instance, you claim to know what I think but decline to listen to what I say. You are certain I have some inflated sense of self worth. That’s OK to say, but is an insulting opinion that isn’t very accurate.

            It isn’t my responsibility to keep you interested or engaged when the choice to disregard is entirely yours. If you expect people to understand you, it’ll help to not think for them. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I read everything carefully. I want to detect your latest lies. Of course, that is easy to do, but I wouldn’t want you to accidentally come up with one I do not catch.

            Slow learner, angelstink. My mission statement has been made at some point in every exchange we have made. My only responsibility is to tie you up and waste as much of your time as possible. As you are a useless coward, it is unlikely that I will ever be able to meet up with you for a man to angelgirlie talk. So, I settle for what I can do.

            One of us needs to have a mind. So I guess I have to think for both of us. Glad to be of service.

            By the way, what about that deal.

          • angelsinca says:

            Flagged

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Oh, definitely. I have flagged it as well. I only abuse you because of your abuse of everyone in this group.

            Haven’t you ever noticed that with the exception an occasional right-wing troll (i.e. very unwelcome person), no one ever seems to come to your support? Hmm?

          • elw says:

            I did not start this conversation you did. I never asked you to understand me or keep me engaged – it was you who was complaining about being censored or “free speech deterrence.” I will not bother to reply again. Good luck to you.

          • angelsinca says:

            Actually, I replied in kind to your comment about being a ‘White’ person with a minority family. Your response was a casual barb about how you supposed I wasn’t the center of the universe. Which, of course I am not. Thanks for the celestial offering anyway. Ciao!

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Why would you think that? You obviously hate us.
            You do play the victim pretty well, though, for someone who supports some of the most hateful and plain mean policies around.

          • angelsinca says:

            Hate? No. Still amused.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Further, I am going to suggest to Memo, a very simple way to get rid of you. As people rarely vote a reasonable post down, all they have to do is set a limit for negatives, and then you are automatically barred. Or maybe, a negative to post ratio could be used.

            You would have all the free speech you want, If you remain civil. If you misbehave, again and again, the majority has the power to take action to protest their free speech from a harasser and disruptor.

            I realize you would be gone in several days, but that would be the price to pay for our freedom.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            When you continue to butt into conversation, particularly when you tell outrageous lies, you meet all requirements to be proven a stalker, bully, and harasser. For my part, I only “harass” you, because of your continued ill treatment of our fellow posters. You behave, you would not know I was here. . . .
            BUT, you won’t. You insist that you have rights that you will not let the rest of the posters enjoy.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are the one that called this a MINOR blog. You are the one that suggested this blog was not worth posting in. Yet, here you are.

            So, do you know the cure for antagonism in this MINOR (and Liberal) blog. Leave. Everyone knows in advance that any conversation with you will be of the lowest possible quality. Like the Florida special election where you told three easily debunked falsehoods in a row.

            When you post, we KNOW it is all lies. We do not even have to look for evidence because what you post is well-known not to be true.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Again, the GOP of course never, never, ever, ever engages in the slightest bit of antagonism. Getting irritated at the non-stop malice, willful ignorance, and dishonesty of the GOP is clearly an outrage that you just can’t endure, though – come to think of it – you seem to like it here.

          • angelsinca says:

            I believe most people are able to endure a few GOP antics a lot better than the left’s chaotic transformation of everything it doesn’t like. Which is pretty much everything.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            A few? The GOP is an antic. As far as the “left,” there is nothing chaotic about curbing your disgusting behaviour. You just don’t like it, which is irrelevant for as long as you are destroying the freedom of others you look down upon.

          • angelsinca says:

            Try to stay on topic for an instant. What does the left like, really? I know it’s hard, but can you do this without blame or comparison?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I am on topic. I am on the topics that you started. Anything that is off-topic is of your devising.

            What do we like?

            Freedom for all
            Fair play for all
            Compassion
            Justice
            Opportunity for all
            Jobs
            Fair pay
            Truth

            In other words, everything you despise.

            I know why you lie so much and why you keep asking answered questions over and over. YOU DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TRUTHFUL TO SAY.

          • angelsinca says:

            “In other words, everything you despise”

            There is no evidence these things are despised by me or nearly all conservatives. None, except for what you imagine to be true. So, do you believe conservatives and republicans don’t deserve to share these Likes?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Really, are you going to be materially better off if the Koch’s make another 100 billion, while destroying the climate, the water, the air, and the Democracy that our Founders gave us? I know your answer, but it is extremely stupid and lame. That is why I call you a racist. You see nothing wrong with bashing the poor and minorities, while expounding the “white” power base you think should be controlling the country.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Most people would be appalled, but what this country really needs is for the Repubs to win EVERYTHING just once. In four years, what little is left of your party, will be stood against a wall and shot. The country will be nearly destroyed, but I think we will learn a lesson that will last a generation.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            By the way, what will happen if you get your way and the Teapubs get complete control. Huge spending on the military, no jobs, huge disaffected and potentially starving population. AND, you should think about this, what will happen when Paul Ryan and company privatizes your pension? Do you think Wall Street can absorb all the money that is in Social Security, without dropping dividends to zero? Regardless of what you think, money does not grow on trees. Then there are there are the brokerage fees you will still be paying. .And what happens when, Pubs finally get rid of all Wall Street regulations and we have another, and very inevitable crash. The “market adjustment” will likely leave you without any livelihood. Of course, all your money will wind up in the pocket of our .01%, WHERE IT BELONGS. Sorry, I realize you do not have
            much of a sense of humor.

            I realize you can rationalize a denial because you do not do any thinking of your own, but face it, what will you do?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            From a rhetorical standpoint, you proved my argument and destroyed your own. You made silly false claims, which I rebutted. Now you claim that what I said is roughly the same as what you believe. I realize that you are not very smart nor original, but you are reactionary and disagreeable, so you will rather spin than make peace with it. Yet, you only succeed in making an ass of yourself.

            You have no sense of shame. If it were me acting as you do, I would be hiding somewhere.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Everything you propose is based on giving the shaft to someone that is disadvantaged in some way. Like your posts here, you do not have the balls to confront the real abusers. You just bully the weak from the safety of Mom’s basement.

            Go ahead and insult your beloved mother. Everyone know that the only one being insulted is a useless waste of skin like you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are the definition of a Fascist.

            No evidence? Everything out of your mouth is an abusive disagreement with the decent logical thoughts of another poster. Even myself, regardless of how abusive you claim I am, I try in almost every post to address your claims or answer your questions. You almost NEVER reciprocate.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            angelstink refers to this as a “minor liberal blog.” My various replys ask “it” what it is doing in such a degrading place. Of course, I did not hear a coherent answer.

            I also countered its “sick man” arguments with an offer to stop posting here if it would agree to do the same. I got no answer for a long time, but after many posts, angelstink finally declined in its usual self-righteous, you’ve hurt my feelings manner.

          • angelsinca says:

            This place isn’t degrading. Your treatment of the participants is. Your missed my prompt rejection of your silly demand because you were busy spamming the board with untruthful blather.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Thanks, I am in touch with Memo. I would read this series of posts VERY carefully. As your post contains seven verifiable lies, it meets all the criteria of being a harassing post. Therefore, a violation of the TOS. Big time. I am flagging your post so I may bring it to their attention easier.

            1. I said nothing about this place being degrading. I said YOU are degrading the blog with your constant TOS violations.

            2. In other words, my mistreatment of a couple of breathtakingly abusive trolls is causing the blog problems? It is not, but even if it were, when you cease your harassment of the regular posters with a rapid fire bombardment of lies and nonsense, then I will adopt my former status as a reader only.

            3. I read every post. I asked you a half dozen times before you gave a response. If you do not come here to read the articles, post on topic, and address the other posters based on their own words, then why are you here except as a violation of the TOS.

            4. The demand was not silly. It was not even a demand.

            5. The “demand” that was actually a request, was a very fair, and honorable offer, made to a dishonorable and criminal individual that is only here in violation of the TOS.

            6. I do not spam. I do not troll. YOU DO!

            7. I just about always tell the truth. As per above examples, you nearly always lie about everything. Spin, twist words, and harass in violation of the TOS.

          • angelsinca says:

            Contrived realities number #1 through #7.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            TRUTH! Indisputable truth based on your own words alone. Are you that delusional.

            Just because a criminal coward like you can hide behind a computer screen at some remote location, does not indemnify you for the posts you have made. Just because we can not see your weakling butt, does not sanitize the evidence that you have left. . . .

          • angelsinca says:

            It’s been predictably typical, as usual. G’night Russy. You’ll have to tuck yourself in.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You got that right. You start a conversation where you lie out your butt . . . as usual.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Oh yes, I forgot, flagged for easy recovery.

          • angelsinca says:

            Thanks for not spamming the board. 🙂

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Oh my, an attempt at truth. What has happened? I guess this is a momentary lapse of UN-reason.

            Flagged.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            6. I do not spam. I do not troll. YOU DO!

          • angelsinca says:

            Thanks for not spamming the board. 🙂

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I don’t, that is true. Why don’t you adopt the same habit? Like this harassing waste of bandwidth for the argument YOU started.

            Flagged, of course.

          • angelsinca says:

            You just sound like ‘neeners-neeeners’.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Do you actually ever post on topic? Do you ever make an attempt to answer reasonable questions? Do you make any conscious attempt to tell the truth? Do you ever post any real content?

            Flagged, by the way.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You can’t even reply to anyone without an unnecessary, off-topic slur against someone that is neither involved in, nor the subject of a conversation.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You know what the result of my proposal will be, but you cannot stop abusing and trolling, can you? You have the bluster of the guilty for all in the world to see. You fool no one, unless it is yourself. Surely, no one can be that stupid.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I wish I could reciprocate the thanks.

            At least I am a Liberal in a “minor liberal blog.” That according to you. Yet, why are you here?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            5. The “demand” that was actually a request, was a very fair, and honorable offer, made to a dishonorable and criminal individual that is only here in violation of the TOS.

          • angelsinca says:

            .For someone that you claim is not worthy of mention, you sure give them a lot of attention

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I guess you win on that one. I cannot respond to total nonsense. What are you blathering about?

            Flagged.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            4. The demand was not silly. It was not even a demand.

          • angelsinca says:

            Silly things cause a laugh reflex. Maybe it was just a gag reflex.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, you make a maggot gag. No one here has one mote of respect for you. You came to lie.

            You admitted you came to “educate,” and shutdown conversation, and kill this blog. It is recorded.

          • angelsinca says:

            You admitted you came to “educate,” and shutdown conversation, and kill this blog

            You will find no proof I ever said this. What I did say when I first met you about two years ago is that nobody wants to listen to what you have to say. Today more true than ever.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            NO ONE IN THIS BLOG HAS EVER SAID THAT! Only a couple of trolls like you and “lana,” that are universally despised by ALL posters. “Today more true than ever.”

            Why don’t we take a poll?

            AND, I have the conversation logged. I have the day and time and topic in a file with your exact words.
            Ever hear of “cut and paste.”

          • Russell Byrd says:

            3. I read every post. I asked you a half dozen times before you gave a response. If you do not come here to read the articles, post on topic, and address the other posters based on their own words, then why are you here except as a violation of the TOS.

          • angelsinca says:

            Sorry, don’t come here just to respond to Russell Byrd.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Three out of the last four conversations, or confrontations, that we have had, were initialized by you. So, I guess you cannot help but lie.

            Really, why don’t you try telling the truth. You will have nothing to hide and might even get some respect. I feel good telling the truth. It is good for you if handled responsibly.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, you are an equal opportunity harasser, bully, liar, and general all-around creep.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The train will be back on the tracks as soon as you are gone. I am not the one they came to respond to, but you are certainly seen as the problem.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            2. In other words, my mistreatment of a couple of breathtakingly abusive trolls is causing the blog problems? It is not, but even if it were, when you cease your harassment of the regular posters with a rapid fire bombardment of lies and nonsense, then I will adopt my former status as a reader only.

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd’s definition of Troll is (select one):
            a) conservative
            b) republican
            c) tea party
            d) not in agreement
            e) all the above

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Russell Byrd’s definition of Troll is (select one):
            a) liar
            b) harasser
            c) stalker
            d) bully
            e) all of the above

            Angel… = e.

            By the way, as those on your list comes here just to do the things that are on my list, then being a “conservative,” etc. IS TROLLING.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            1. I said nothing about this place being degrading. I said YOU are degrading the blog with your constant TOS violations.

          • angelsinca says:

            Of course you didn’t. Here is what you said, :

            My various replys (sp) ask “it” what it is doing in such a degrading place

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So I suppose you have the intelligence level of the ice cubes in my glass. I was using a little irony and sarcasm.

            Maybe, our problem with you is you really are that stupid. I guess you are not only in your mother’s basement, but till recently they kept you in a cage away from normal people.

            Obviously, you never related with normal people. Or with anyone for that matter.

            FLAGGED for recovery.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            By the way, you failed miserably in debunking ONE point. The rest are confirmed as true that you are a bully, troll, harasser, and liar.

          • angelsinca says:

            True, quoting Russell Byrd is a miserable fail.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            When all you are trying to prove are lies, then of course you will always fail.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I was engaging in a little irony and sarcasm paraphrasing you on your attitudes toward Memo in general. Your the one that said, and it is proven, that this is just a “minor liberal” blog.

            And that is when I asked you why you were here. We both know, and you have said directly, that you are just here to harass.

          • angelsinca says:

            “I was engaging in a little irony and sarcasm paraphrasing

            You mean you were lying. Got it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I would never dream of cutting in on your monopoly on lies.

            Seriously, what did I lie about? You even tell lies about the lies you tell. I guess that is the penalty for not caring what lies you told before.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            All these little “cute” blurbs, or is it blobs, and you have not demonstrated even one error on my part. Just harassment for no other reason than to harass. And definitely flagged.

          • angelsinca says:

            Trying to reply with simple single lines of thought. Apparently this is too complex for you to follow..

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Using incoherent and untruthful “simple single lines of thought” is a complete fail.

            And we both know that I understand completely. Even a five year old knows that your malarkey is complete crap.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Thanks, I am in touch with Memo. I would read this series of posts VERY carefully, if I were you. It will be a first, but you should make the effort. As your post contains seven verifiable lies, it meets all the criteria of being a harassing post. Therefore, a violation of the TOS. Big time. I am flagging your post so I may bring it to their
            attention easier.

            And a reminder, you are the one that declares Memo to be a MINOR blog. You also admit that Memo is a Liberal blog. Therefore, beyond casual posting, you are trolling in violation of the TOS.

            I am not the one unwelcome here. I find it hard to believe you are so delusional that you cannot see that. I rather think you are just a malicious stalker that may actually be in violation of criminal code.

          • angelsinca says:

            Oh boy. look at the wasted bandwidth. Where are the adults when you need them?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, you do need adult supervision. And guess what, they are either here watching, or will soon be.

            Flagged for recovery.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You are right, though you are the one that indicated otherwise. This place is NOT degrading, BUT you are! That was my point.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Sure, refusing to allow you clowns to pass your religious and political dogma and the associated restrictions on, discrimination against, or just plain abuse of all sorts of groups of people is limiting your precious liberty. Nice projection. What SPECIFIC liberties and freedoms are you being denied?

          • angelsinca says:

            Take it up with the clowns that pass the legislation that seems to be threatening your sensibilities, not your neighbors. Just because I like traditional family values doesn’t mean I dislike or need to change those values that aren’t like mine. Can you say the same?

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell Byrd wrote, “Angel cannot fathom that having a minority [not for long] in the family…”

            Looks like another death threat, Russell. This makes the second one this year and it’s only March. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Why are you so happy to be so hateful? You are intelligent and shouldn’t have to be reminded that this is just a minor blog dominated by the same small clique of conservative-hating liberals that really don’t care about your vein-bulging performances. You embarrass them. At least the ones that have a conscience.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Looks like more manufactured nonsense from a fertile idiotic mind. . . .

            Dear idiot, plainly I was referring to the demographics. The minorities that you hate so badly will soon become the majorities. Even now, if everyone eligible were to vote, you would lose every election, with exception of a few “exclusive” gated communities.

            ALSO, I always do something you never really do. Answer questions. So, why am I so hateful? Ask anyone here about the tone of YOUR posts and then maybe you will understand that it is only a little quid pro quo. That question has been answered in great detail on a number of occasions.

            I am sure that the regular posters will be happy to hear this is just a MINOR blog. As well, if this blog is so minor, pray tell, why are you wasting so much of your valuable time here?

            You hate, therefore I hate you. As for conservative, you are about three steps to the right of your dear Fuehrer.

            As always, I know exactly what I am talking about.

          • James Bowen says:

            I don’t see any evidence of intelligence on his part.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            My feelings about you are much the same! You are a clone of angel, you arrogantly pronounce, but you never answer the opposition. When you are answered you ignore it, Then you continue to ask the same questions.

          • James Bowen says:

            How can we sustain an ever growing population?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Ask . . . answered . . . ad nauseum. Just because Dr. Goebbels claimed that telling a lie long enough will make it believed, does not mean that the smartest and most decent people will fall for it.
            S o r r y, a g a i n !

          • James Bowen says:

            Okay, yesterday you finally did answer my question, and you agreed with me–we can’t.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            One thing I am Jimbo, that you are not at all, is HONEST. Every troll I have ever engaged with I have told them my entire purpose and plan. It is a source of great amusement to me, because none of you mental midget sociopaths can ever understand simple reasoning.

            I find no joy in ruining the days of the innocent. As I am common sense and justice driven, I only go after the guilty, the liars, the bastards, and the trolls. Looks like you lit up all those buttons. Please continue in your futile exercise.

          • James Bowen says:

            You clearly do not understand physics, biology, economics, or history though. So much for simple reasoning.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, I do. However, believe what you will, but I really do understand the guity, the liars, the bastards, and the trolls. So I know you like the back of my hand.

            One bad thing about you, Jimbo, which tells much, is you are not even original. Between your lying, fixation on ideas based on hatred, and above all, a lack of a sense of humor, you are not really very interesting, at all. Such a disappointment. I guess one consolation is you are so easy to slap around, so I am not having to devote too much energy.

          • James Bowen says:

            You apparently do not. You seem to think we can accomodate an ever-expanding population, an obvious physical impossibility.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As I said in another post, “Psychobabble Jimbo, and overused, incoherent psychobabble to boot. You
            got that crap from an online lecture, and adapted it as a cover story to
            hide your racism.”

            As well, I actually have answered you eight times, not seven as I had said earlier. I forgot I went back and actually tried to explain why I was debunking your nonsense.

            I will add, that an individual that is studying in a “hard science” field, does not answer his own questions. You will never learn anything that way. Another nail in the old “college man” coffin. . . .

          • James Bowen says:

            You can insult me all you like. The fact is that you have not answered my question about how an ever-increasing population can be supported. You have also implied that you think that illegal aliens should have priority over citizens, which makes you a traitor in spirit, if not the letter of the law.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No Jimbo, I just repeated what I have been saying. A childishly
            egotistical bastard like you is always looking to foist his nonsensical
            views on someone else. No matter how evil or stupid, you MUST be right.

            How
            childish. If you had ever learned to read for content, put aside your
            infantile pre-conceptions, and stayed on the same topic, you would have
            known my views on the first post.

          • James Bowen says:

            In that case, still waiting for an answer.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No Jimbo, I just repeated what I have been saying. A childish egotist like you is always looking to foist his nonsensical views on someone else. No matter how evil or stupid, you MUST be right.

            How childish. If you had ever learned to read for content, put aside your infantile pre-conceptions, and stayed on the same topic, you would have known my views on the first post.

          • James Bowen says:

            Still waiting for an answer.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Sorry, that TWELFTH answer will not be coming.

            Otherwise, refer to my posts for today at 12:30 P.M. & 2:30 P.M.

          • James Bowen says:

            Still waiting for an answer (a first one). Maybe they are in those posts you mention, and I will check them, but I am not holding my breath. After all, if you have found that energy is not conserved, I don’t think I would be your sole occupation.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If my eleven answers do not equal “a first one” for you, then I guess they will put you in the ground before you get one.

            The adult here has already said, that there is no purpose in belaboring a moot point.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Unfortunately, you came here to troll and foist your idiocy onto some unwilling “Liberal.” Sorry, but you got me instead. And, unlike angelstink and you, Jimbo, I do not troll around looking for trouble. That means I have plenty of time to devote to you.

            There is an old adage, Jimbo, that has this, “if you are bad mouthing me, you are leaving some other poor soul alone.” In order to deal with me AND carry out your mission, you will have to work three or four times as hard as me. So, there you are.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No Jimbo, I just repeated what I have been saying. A childishly egotistical bastard like you is always looking to foist his nonsensical views on someone else. No matter how evil or stupid, you MUST be right.

            How childish. If you had ever learned to read for content, put aside your infantile pre-conceptions, and stayed on the same topic, you would have
            known my views on the first post.

          • James Bowen says:

            In that case, you still have yet to answer my question.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Your question has been answered seven times. As I said, the adult is taking charge. NO more answers to questions. Take it or lump it. You want me to agree with your racism. Won’t happen.

          • James Bowen says:

            Explain to me how we are going to overcome conservation of energy, traitor.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Logic does apply, but human life is not an equation Jimbo. Keep on being a racist traitor. No skin off my rear.

            As I said, answered seven times. The adult is now fully in charge.

          • James Bowen says:

            Still haven’t explained it to me. You want to replace Americans, so it is you who is the traitor.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Jimbo, you have been answered at least seven times, don’t like it, shove it.

            As well, you are CONFIRMED as a no education liar. Out of your own mouth and the evidence is right here (and logged by me).

            As I said, to your treasonous, racist, lying, a**, the adult is now in charge here. . . . :-)_

          • James Bowen says:

            No you haven’t. You have not told me how we can accomodate an ever-expanding population (and thereby violate conservation of energy). You are the traitor–you want to surrender to foreign invaders who are displacing Americans.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            YES, I HAVE! Na, na, nana, na.

            You know Jimbo, your argument is so defective that it is ridiculous. Life, i.e. people, are not equations. As well, you equation does not apply, and you do not seem to understand how it works anyway.

            You have glommed on to a much smarter man’s research, and have perverted it for racist means.
            So, in a sense, that will be nine times you have been answered.

            It is a shame you do not have the discipline to attend college. . . . Of course, as you already know all, without one shred of research, you do not need to. Teeheeheeeee!

          • James Bowen says:

            You have not told me how we can violate energy conservation and have infinite population growth. You have not even tried. I’ll save you some time–It can’t be done.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Doesn’t need to be. Already told you. You are promoting a false argument, based on false ideas, supported by data that does not exist. You are proposing malarkey to disguise your true racist ideals.

          • James Bowen says:

            In another post you all but stated that I am correct. Good enough for me.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I guess you spend your days chasing imaginary butterflies too. . . .

            If it’s good enough for you, then you admit that you have been totally wrong.

          • James Bowen says:

            You said that you agreed with Dr. Bartlett. If that is true, than you agree with me that we must stop population growth, and therefore reduce net immigration to zero. If that is not true, tell me how we are going to support an ever-growing population.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            That is not what I said Jimbo. For the ninth time, the question is not pertinent to the discussion. At least try to give it a frame of reference and tell me how many resources we actually have left, and when this catastrophe will take place.

            By the way, the human race has had more downs than up, but the human race has always faced this problem since the dawn of time. Yours is a Chicken Little question that is relatively meaningless to anyone not proposing disharmony and racism.

          • James Bowen says:

            I can tell you that the Earth has a mass of some 6*10^24 kg, and that the power (energy/time) we receive from the Sun is equal to the intensity of solar radiation at the radius of Earth’s orbit divided by the surface of the Earth. Those are our absolute resource limits. The real biological limits are far lower, however. A population correction is nothing to just simply brush off. I for one would not want to face one, and something tells me you wouldn’t either. Such an event would likely involve nuclear war breaking out over the few remaining resources that would be left, not to mention widespread famine, pestilence, and anarchy. We must do whatever we can to prevent this from happening, so long as it is within ethical bounds. In the U.S., limiting immigration and sending illegals back to their home countries is certainly within such ethical bounds.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Psychobabble that has absolutely nothing to due with the reality of human life.

            Otherwise, refer to my posts for today at 13:0 P.M. & 2:30 P.M.

          • James Bowen says:

            Since human life is dependent upon other living organisms to survive, and since all life on Earth is dependent upon the limited resources of the Earth and the limited energy from the Sun, this has everything to do with the reality of human life. Human life would not exist without these, and their finiteness places a strict limit on the quantity of human life.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            More psychobabble. . . Have you ever thought it through Jimbo? If what you say is true, then we are doomed anyway. AND, Climate change is going to get us long before that. Or is it you just are calculating the years of oil we have left for your joyriding?

          • James Bowen says:

            Climate change is but one symptom of overpopulation. Overpopulation is the more fundamental threat of the two. Maybe climate change will be the exact cause, but it is hard to say. Either way, we’re toast if we don’t dramatically alter course.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            “Either way, we’re toast if we don’t dramatically alter course,” by beating up on those that already have the least. Face it Jimbo, you are the worst form of racist. Not only will you not admit it, but you have created a facade of denial that is fooling no one except yourself.

            You need to learn a little more about Global Warming, too!

          • James Bowen says:

            I know plenty about global warming. It is driven fundamentally by too many people. Overpopulation is the more fundamental of the two problems. I am not beating up on anyone. We need to control our population, and in the U.S. and Canada that means strictly enforcing immigration laws.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            That is incorrect as it is certainly too simplistic. If what you say is true, then the Third World should be causing even more of the problem than we are. However, this is a product of our chemical industries, but especially, our use of fossil fuels.

            Humans breathing has never been linked to Global warming. By the way, I AM a Geoscientist and well as a Historian. So, your BS will not fly with me. I think you picked the wrong guy to pull that Fizzicist nonsense on. As such, you have no credibility.

          • James Bowen says:

            A geoscientist who has no concept of energy conservation and a historian who is oblivious to what happens to nations that tolerate foreign invasion–pardon me for being skeptical.

            A U.S. with only 150 million people would emit considerably fewer greenhouse gases than it does with our current population. Also, the third world does contribute significantly to global warming via deforestation and a significant amount of greenhouse gas emissions themselves (look at China and increasingly India). Bottom line, global warming is caused (or at least significantly contributed to) by human activities. That would be much less of a strain if there weren’t so many of us, and will keep getting worse if our numbers keep growing.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Your a name calling idiot, Jimbo. No education, no desire to improve. Just a bigoted, racist outlook on the world you thinks owes you an easy living.

            I told you you should no more about statistics than I do, IF you were that Fizzycist you claim to be. As you are not, my credentials and my knowledge will trump your inanity any day.

            What school did you [claim] to go to? I bet you would have done well at the Federal University of Central Kentucky, i.e. good ole F*CK U.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            By the way Jimbo, you are skeptical because you hate the truth, and anything or anybody not out to give you a free ride. You sound just like one of those Teatards that says he is a Liverterian. They mostly have IQ’s about their shoe size. Yeah, they mostly have oversized feet because of their cave man genes, but it still isn’t enough.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As I have said several times, you only use Dr. Bartlett’s rather mixed bag of philosophy to disguise your “rampant racism.” Therefore, we will never be in agreement.

          • James Bowen says:

            Your disagreement is with natural laws. You can deny physical reality all you want to–it won’t make any difference in the end when the U.S. and the human race is facing a Malthusian correction.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No, I understand them very well. What I object to is your peeling apples to make a racist lemonade. . . .

            Plainly so your tiny brain can comprehend: You are using those “natural laws” in a manner they were never intended to be used. In fact, your usage denigrates those laws to mere hypotheses.

          • James Bowen says:

            Whatever I think of natural laws doesn’t mean anything, and they aren’t “intended” to be used for anything, as far as humans are concerned. They just are, and they point to a population correction if we continue on our current course.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Wow, are you a contortionist, Jimbo. That twist and spin had to hurt. Whooo!

          • James Bowen says:

            No twist and spin there, just deduction.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Oh yeah, I read all your posts and you did spin breathtakingly. You denied the reasoning in your above post later on in this exchange.

          • James Bowen says:

            I have not spun anything or denied the reasoning in this post anywhere. My position has been that we need to control population, otherwise it will be controlled for us (which I don’t think anyone truly wants if they realize what that means).

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So, your solution is genocide. That is not a question, but a statement of fact. And a working definition of racism. And a negligent, malignant ignoring of your Nation’s safety and cohesiveness. Do I have to tell you what that is? It starts “TR. . . . . ”

            Then we will have a race war, which you will love to see. Of course, you just think you will love it. You will find that it is not that fun. All your mumbo-jumbo based equations are largely meaningless, when you are dealing with live human beings. Of course, you have already spun that around several different ways.

            The time to have done something has largely passed. We need to make peace and deal with what we have, the best we have. As I said before, and it is a fact, we throw away enough to feed most of the Third World. We certainly do if you add Europe, Japan, and Australasia. Your denials only prove your total lack of education.

            By the way, what Uni did you say you got your Master’s from. Teeheehee!

          • James Bowen says:

            Deporting people to their home countries is not genocide, and it is only part of the solution we must attempt. This also is necessary to national cohesion–it is repelling an invasion after all. I do not know of too many instances where tolerating an invasion has been good for national cohesion.

            Maybe it is too late, but we must still try. Anyone or any people who give up have earned what is coming to them as far as I am concerned.

            Also, that is absolute nonsense that we throw away enough to feed most of the world. We could maybe feed a few hundred million on that, but no more.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            JImbo, why don’t you get a job and finish that education of yours. I heard your “university” has a sixth grade certificate.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            JImbo, it is absolute fact that you would do well to read about. Yeah, I know, you can’t. See Jimbo, see Jimbo whine, see Jimbo beating down a concrete wall with his head, oh my, see the rubble caused by Jimbo’s case hardened head.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, it is complete nonsense. Even if we throw away half of what we eat, that means we could feed another 400 or so million, but not billions. Besides, we ultimately cannot sustain our own nation using completely renewable methods.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Jimbo, you head is full of complete nonsense. If I told you there was a bomb behind the door, you would kick it out of stupid spite. Booooooom!

            Why does truth have so much trouble getting through. I said the U.S. & Canada, Europe, Japan, & Australasia (which I doubt you even know what that is, of course you will Wiki and act the smart-a**.)

            Most of the Third World is probably on about a 1500 calorie a day diet. Much of the U.S. is on a 3000+ calorie a day diet. We probably consume or throw away 4-8 times as much food per capita as they do in say Ghana. Then add all the waste from our food processing. Then add all the meat we eat that takes enough food to feed 8-12 third world people. That is every single day for six months to two years before slaughter. And don’t claim the yield is anywhere near the input. Probably about 10% of food value inputted.

            Now, consider that with all the nations I mentioned, we can easily double the amount eaten, i.e. over eaten, and wasted. The math should easy for a Fizzicks whiz like you.

            And again, I notice that though I do respond to your lies, you totally fail to answer a simple question or two. Denial, proves absolutely nothing except that you are a stupid liar.

            WHAT school did your Master’s come from. You wanted me to tell you about mine. Etiquette stipulates that you go first! So what is it.

          • James Bowen says:

            Multiple problems with your statement here. Many of these third world nations do not have adequate nutrition balance in their diets, even if they are consuming enough calories to keep them going for the day (and some of these nations have trouble doing just that). I’m sorry, it is not wasteful to eat a balanced diet that has a good amount of meat. That is important, and if other nations can’t do that, it shows just how overpopulated humans are. Using what we throw away, we could probably feed a few hundred million more. However, Americans and other first worlders should not be expected to give up nutrition in their diets. Besides, this ultimately does not address that fact that we have already exceeded the long-term carrying capacity of the U.S. and the world.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            In India I believe life expectancy is about 78 years old. Compare to our rate, if you please. Over half the population eats no meat at all for the entire year. Which logically means they never eat meat.

            We are omnivorous, we can eat meat, but we do not actually need it. That is an American right-wack fable. Look at all the health problems we have from our high fat, high cholesterol diets. In India, which is by and large, a third world country, these problems are not unknown, but they are not very common. That is how they live to a similar age as we do.

            So, once again, your argument goes down the drain. Don’t bother saying I did not respond. I am copying this response, so I do not have to retrieve it later.

          • James Bowen says:

            Most Indians are small people. Meat is necessary to build muscles and tissue. People need meat. Sure, they might be able to live without it, but with physical limitations.

            Our health problems don’t stem so much from too much meat as they do from overall poor nutrition (too much junk food, fast food, not enough exercise, etc.)

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Actually Jimbo, most Indians I have met are as tall, or taller than me. I’m five nine.

            Now you’re a nutrition expert. Though there are advantages to eating some meat, the downside s make eating a lot of it unhealthy.

            Ever hear of protein. That is what builds your muscles. The Indian’s eat a relatively high protein diet. They eat what we call lentils.

            Get some education. Oh yeah, being dishonest is all the education a man needs. Teeheehee.

          • James Bowen says:

            Maybe they are tall, but they are thin and without much muscle mass. Same with most Chinese. Meat is the best source of protein. There are other sources, sure, but nothing beats meat.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You will twist anything to pervert the discussion.

            Protein is protein. Your chosen source of protein is due to its availability and your liking for it.

            As anyone that can do simple arithmetic can calculate, a steer will eat probably 6-10 times as much grain as a person, each and everyday of its existence, and never produce anything but a Jimbo Bowen argument. 🙂

            I do not do these calculations for a living, but they are more complicated than they seem. Weather, temperature, breed, and more will adjust the target amounts. A steer needs from 5 kg [high quality grain] to as much as 20 kg of dry matter for every kilogram of weight gain, more when young. Even using an abstract number such as 12 kg, a 700 kg steer with a hot carcass weight of 400 kg, will have consumed 8760 kg of dry matter. This is a very, very conservative figure on average. Even considering just the quality grains, the total would be 3650 kgs. Just that portion would feed five people for two years.
            The 400 kg of beef, would feed five people for 80 days. Why don’t I be generous, and have the beef ration as it has a higher food value. The comparison is now 160 days for beef, and 730 for grain.

            That does not even account for the the other 5110 kg of dry matter fed. Though some hay fields are worthless for other agriculture, even half that land used to produce grain and vegetables would add at least another year to the time. So, cattle farming has about an EIGHTH of the efficiency as a food source.

            Add to that the many thousands of gallons these very thirsty beasts will consume. And the by-products, e.g. manure, that is often not utilized in this country and must be disposed of.

            I have erred generously in your favor, even so, your argument(s) are getting rather toasty right now. I rest my case.

          • James Bowen says:

            Yes, this all sounds correct, and I actually agree with much of what you say here. I don’t think feeding cattle grain is a very good use for our grain (it would actually kill them if they weren’t slaughtered first). However, keep in mind that the grain is just for fattening them up. That is an unnecessary step. Many cattle are raised on grasslands that are unsuitable for crops, such as the Sandhills of Nebraska and the Flint Hills of Kansas.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Grass fed cattle tend to have stringier meat (canner grade) and fatten up much more slowly. That is partly do to lower food value of grass and partly do to increased physical activity, and exposure to the elements. Though I would prefer to eat grass fed beef, the average consumer prefers the grain fed variety. The farmers do too. The “feedlot” method is more profitable

            A diet of grain is not very good for a steer’s digestive system, but probably won’t kill very many of them. It does cause pain.

            You are right that cattle can be run on poor land, however, the “yield” will never be

          • James Bowen says:

            I have read that such a diet will kill them eventually. I do not deny that it is preferred by consumers and more profitable to have grain-fed beef, but that is beside the point that we can still produce beef in comparable quantity without grain-feeding. By the way, there is nothing poor about the land in the Sandhills and the Flint Hills. Those are very rich grasslands–the soil just isn’t right for farming as there is very little topsoil.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            It can kill them, though nothing in life is ever certain. The gas grain produces keeps them in pain to some degree constantly. Cattle were never meant to eat grain.

            As far as producing more without grain feeding, there is no way that can be done with current methods and economic models. We would need much more land, much more labor, and much more time to accept slightly lower yields. Of course, the resulting product would be tastier and healthier, but when has that ever mattered to American business.

            I must also add, that I do not blame the farmer for most of this. Farming can be a lucrative business, when things are going well, but take just one big off year, and they can be bankrupt. Farmer in America on any scale is relatively expensive, no IS expensive, not only in the investment, but in time, labor, and worry as well. Though they are not totally at fault, I call this the “Wally World” business model. Where product is produced incredibly cheaply and in massive quantities. There is no room to even stumble once.

          • James Bowen says:

            Grain feeding is an unnecessary step, so it does not really increase production. It just fattens them up (which increases profits). Increasing beef production would require more land to be used for grazing whether they are grain-fed or not.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            For instance, if grain feeding is only done to “fatten cattle” up and does not increase production, why would a farmer feed expensive grain to a steer that he will not see more profit from.

            I realize your reply, but you better find out what “fatten” really means to a farmer.

          • James Bowen says:

            Consumers generally prefer well-marbled, i.e. fatted, beef. That is where the increased profits come from.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Part truth, functioning as a lie.

          • James Bowen says:

            No lie. That is fundamentally what motivates corn-feeding.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Rebutted repeatedly. Done

          • James Bowen says:

            No it hasn’t been. Consumers want “well-marbled” beef, which is why it is done.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            On its face, that is true. Now spin some more lies about me agreeing with you.

          • James Bowen says:

            That is the fundamental reason.

            You did agree with me that we cannot sustain an ever-growing population.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Actually, you used only part of what I said. Out of context, that entire statement is invalid. You are spinning a yarn to cover the racism and intense hate your treasonous soul has for this country.

            On FOURTEEN occasions I have made it plain that your reasoning is defective, and the problem that you really, really want to have does not currently exist.

          • James Bowen says:

            You want to capitulate to a foreign invasion. That is treason. I want to repel that invasion. That is called loyalty to the nation.

            In order to demonstrate that my reasoning is defective would require you to demonstrate that energy is not conserved. You certainly have not done that in any of these posts. There are already more people than can be indefinitely sustained, therefore the problem not only exists but has long since been upon us. Avoiding a correction and the almost unlimited misery that would entail would take hundreds of years if we take immediate action, and even then it might already be too late. We might run out of those vital resources upon which we are dependent before then.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No Jimbo. All one has to do to demonstrate your defective reasoning is read the nonsense you are posting. Over and over again without the slightest clue what any of it means for real flesh and blood people.

          • James Bowen says:

            You have not demonstrated defective reasoning on my part. You have yet to tell me how we are going to get ourselves out of this overshoot trap, i.e. how we are going to humanely reduce our numbers before we run out of the resources we currently depend on.

            One more thing. You talk about reasoning, but then you mention the effect on “real flesh and blood people”, which smacks of emotionalism. Reason and emotion don’t always agree, and sometimes tough decisions need to be made for the collective interest.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Ah, the old “emotionalism” argument that every sociopath depends on at some point. Human logic is not like Spock’s. Even being a perfectly logical Vulcan would not lead Spock to agree with you. Do you have Asperger’s? I am not going to try to explain logic and reasoning to you. You obviously do not have the capacity for understanding. That is entirely your problem and I suppose you should be pitied for that.

            However, I rather look at you like the justice system looks at criminals. There may be many lamentable reasons that someone commits a crime, however, the law still punishes them appropriately. More simply, you act racist, so I see you as racist, regardless of how pitiful you are.

            You know Jimbo, we can cure AIDS. Yes, using your methods we can. A 50cc injection of Phenol directly into the patients heart will cause the retrovirus to “deactivate,” after a few hours. The only problem is, the patient will have been dead for the same few hours.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Let’s see Jimbo.

            If someone agrees with part of your premise, but not
            your idiotic conclusion, then they are agreeing with you. Right? You have done that a number of times.

            You seem to think that you know all about the world, but all you do is disagree. Is that your sole purpose in life?

            Get some education. Learn to tell the truth.

          • James Bowen says:

            Nothing idiotic about any of my conclusions. All are well-founded.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            A fine example of an idiotic conclusion.

          • James Bowen says:

            Then tell me how it is idiotic. You yourself said that we cannot sustain an ever-growing population. If we are to avoid an enormous correction, we have to act now. If you have an alternative solution, I am listening.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            And again Jimbo, all redundant, all rebutted. . .

          • James Bowen says:

            Redundant yes, because it is un-rebutted.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You continue to miss the truth in just about everything. Rather, maybe you are just avoiding it.

            Grain or no grain, my argument about meat (and I eat it too) is still true.

            You
            miss the whole purpose here IS to fatten the cattle up. That is the
            entire feedlot rationale. More meat, more tender, with less resources,
            more quickly. That is the entire mantra of American business.

            We
            feed grain because we can quickly “fatten” a large number of cattle
            very quickly on very little land. It also is easier on manpower and
            time, as you do not have to chase them all over the open range.

          • James Bowen says:

            Actually, all beef cattle are raised on grazing lands. They are only sent to the feed lots before slaughter to fatten them up.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, you not only destroyed your own argument, AGAIN, but you obviously have never been around any type of AG operation.

          • James Bowen says:

            What are you talking about? All beef cattle are raised on grass. You cannot raise a cow on grain.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The majority of the “dry matter” that cattle are fed on feedlots is hay, but the key ingredient that causes the big weight gains and the big {hopefully} payoff is the grain.

          • James Bowen says:

            Nonetheless, cattle are raised on grasses before they are sent to the feedlots. The feedlot stage, although it does increase profitability, is an unnecessary step in meat production.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Are you just ignorant by design or is it nature?

            Do you always just post to see your lies told?

            Of course, the feedlot is not a necessity. Yet, genius, why do farmers obviously do it? Hmm?
            What point have you made besides you have little brains and a lot of spare time.

            And again, you need to stop lying and learn about the world, and cattle production.

          • James Bowen says:

            You say I lie, but they you say of course my point is true. The feedlot increases profits, but it is not needed for beef production. The point of this is that grain that is used for that purpose could be used for other things and we would still have our beef, just leaner beef.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Jimbo, you are indeed incapable of discussing anything. You are the one that made the false claim. I merely held it up into the daylight so it could be seen for the lie it is.

            YOU said it was unnecessary, yet almost all farmers do it. Anything further from you on the subject, is irrelevant.

            Now, let us see your hypocrisy. You claim we do not have the resources, yet you would destroy 20% of our beef production. I have already told you repeatedly what my position is on that.

          • James Bowen says:

            I did not make any false claims. Grain feeding is completely unnecessary for beef production. It is profitable, however, and that’s why it’s done. I did not say anything about destroying 20% of our beef production either.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            BUT that is what you will do. You will never amount to anything if you do not listen to reasonable opposing views.

          • James Bowen says:

            I have not heard any reasonable views from you, except for the few occasions when you have begrudingly agreed with me.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You have not heard me parroting your racism and lies. And you won’t. Sorry.

          • James Bowen says:

            No lies here.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Nothing but. I have to go fix dinner for the family. Yeah, I have one. Sorry.

            But I will be back soon to deprive you of your perverse pleasure shortly.

          • James Bowen says:

            No lies, as demonstrated by your inability to answer my questions. And no, denying reality is not an answer.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Your reality, which is the physical world’s version of a freak show.

            I really think that we should just deport you, Jimbo. We easily have just as much legal reason as the mess you are proposing.

          • James Bowen says:

            It’s not my reality. You are denying what is unquestionably the greatest threat facing the human race right now. By the way, I want to clean up the mess.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            If you wish to keep whipping the same limp wienie, then I will tell you that the greatest immediate danger to the entire human race is Global warming and climate change, not racism driven ideas about over-population.

          • James Bowen says:

            What is your basis for saying this? We do not know exactly what the consequences of global warming will be. We do know that there are already more people that can be sustained indefinitely, and we also know that fewer people would reduce the human impact on climate. Therefore, overpopulation is the more fundamental and greater danger between the two.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Jimbo, we have no real idea what your ideas will really do to us. Yet, it seems ill advised to jump straight into the fire just because you see fit to do so.

            Yes, there are too many people, and do not bother with the lie about me agreeing with all your nonsense. I can only suggest that you do what Edward G. Robinson chose in “Solyent Green.”

            Or if it is easier, you could do a “correction” off the top of the Chicago Board of Trade building.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            All lies there. . .

          • James Bowen says:

            Nope.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yep . . .

          • James Bowen says:

            It is not a lie to say that denying reality is unreasonable. An opinion maybe, but not a lie.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Then stop using lies to deny reality. . . .

          • James Bowen says:

            In saying this is not an issue, you are the one who is denying reality. Show me wrong by telling me how our current numbers can be sustained indefinitely.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            It was never my purpose to be involved in that grossly off-topic argument. Do you ever post on-topic, or like all right wacko trolls, you just rant about your pet peeves? The answer is self-evident.

            By the way, you are the one that started the nonsense about college degrees, and scientists, and Fizzicks. This is par for the course for wacko wingers. Always start an argument based on pre/misconceived notions, and when it blows up, you blame the other poster from sensibly opposing you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            YOU WERE WRONG! Moronically wrong. The first world DOES throw away enough food to feed the third world. Your prevarication PROVES my point for me. You do not have an argument.

            I NEVER suggested that Americans give up anything, though for our own health, we should.
            As before, your crowing about Mexico being the most obese country. Even if true, how does that make the U.S. healthier? So, you want to be a close second, to the least healthy nation. That bodes well for our future.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, we do not! Even if we throw away half of our food, that is still only enough to feed about a billion. That’s a far cry from six billion! It also is beside the point that we can’t even sustain our own nation of 300+ million indefinitely.

            By strongly implying that Americans should give up most of their meat, you sure sounded like you were saying that.

            The point about Mexico was that they are our top-sending nation of origin for immigration, and their population is not starving. Throw in the fact that many illegals pay thousands of dollars to smugglers and even for fake ID’s, these people are not starving.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            YOU ARE STILL WRONG! Still moronically wrong.

            I gave you enough to make a more correct decision on your own. However, your stubborn racism makes you want to do otherwise.

            What can you expect from an uneducated wannabe.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, I am not. Even if we throw away half of our food in the U.S., that could feed about 500 million at most. Remember, there are just over 300 million of us, and the world has over 7 billion.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Wrong. I have already provided facts and “simple arithmetic” that proves what I have said is true. Just because you RACISTS need to shout people down will never constitute an argument.

            BUT, think about it. Even with your disproven views, you actually are admitting that we waste as much as we consume. And this has not been the first time.

            You are in such a rabid fever to always disagree you cannot even account for the ignorance you spout. If someone wants to be a successful liar, they need to not only tell logical, reasonable lies, but, above all, they need to keep track of the lies they have already told. You cannot successfully make a claim and then negate half of it when it is more convenient.

            Of course, when you lie as a vocation. . . .

          • James Bowen says:

            No you have not. I have never denied that there is a lot of waste, but we could not come anywhere near feeding the world on that. If you consider using grain to fatten cattle waste, then yes, we probably could feed quite a few more people, but still not the whole world. Besides, it is all ultimately beside the point as U.S. (and rest of the world) agricultural production is ultimately unsustainable at current levels.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, I have. SEVERAL TIMES. In fact, I gave you a very conservative arithmetical accounting of why we can. You have done nothing but expound abstract theories that you cannot even explain.

          • James Bowen says:

            No you haven’t. Altogether, we produce roughly the same amount of food that Europe, China, and India produce. India and China are self-sustaining, barely. Using that comparison, we could maybe feed 800 million more people at most off our waste.

            I have given you hard upper physical limits to our numbers. The real limits are far lower. Do you have any understanding of the concepts of limits and boundaries?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No YOU haven’t. I gave you a very consevative accounting of the amount of grain, etc. that we could provide, and indicated the amount we throw away. You just made claims that are favorable to your argument, but are known to be untrue.

          • James Bowen says:

            Like I said, we grow about as much grain as China and India, whom are barely self-sustaining. If you can do arithmetic, this should tell you that we could feed about 800 million more than our current population, and keep in mind that we are the world’s largest grain exporter.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Actually, if we grow as much grain as China and India, then we grow enough for about 2 billion people. AND as you always do, you intentionally misstate what I said. I said all of the First World, as against all of the Third World. I guess using names like Europe and Japan are too complex for you.

            The conclusion is: The total is much, much higher than two billion. BUT even at 800 million, that is a great improvement over your earlier statements. At least, we are going in the right direction.

          • James Bowen says:

            Look up the figures. India, China, and the U.S. are comparable in grain production. The former two are barely self-sustaining at present in food production. Therefore, it can be deduced that we grow enough to feed about a billion people. Japan has a food deficit, and Europe has a surplus, but nothing like ours. Therefore, what I said about feeding 800 million may be under, but it’s not far off.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Except, you only calculate for production, and you do a lousy job of that.

          • James Bowen says:

            I did not calculate production figures. I read them off of charts. If they produce as much as we do, and we have higher caloric intake than they do, that right there points to us not being able to feed any more than they do with their production.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            False facts already rebutted. What I have said may be pushing the envelope, but is well considered to be true by the scientists that study this. Unlike your warped made-to-order right-wackjob facts.

          • James Bowen says:

            You haven’t rebutted anything. If China and India can barely feed themselves with their comparable production to ours, than we certainly can’t feed billions more than we do.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I am putting you on notice Jimbo. I have rebutted everything that you have said, without writing a book. I have wrote the equivalent of a number of essays to you.

            What do you do? You answer nothing? You demand everything? All your argument is is constant repetition of the same tired lame bullshit over and over. Even then, you contradict yourself to make a point, and fail even then.

            The adult is going to have to spank you now, and will remain in charge.

          • James Bowen says:

            You have not rebutted a thing. And I have answered all your questions of substance, although I admit I have avoided your questions of a more personal nature. I made that mistake of falling into that trap early in this exchange, and I have since learned my lesson.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Jimbo, all redundant, all rebutted. . .

          • James Bowen says:

            Redundant yes, because it is unrebutted.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Rebutted FOURTEEN times with absolutely no response. As I have told you over two dozen times. The answer has been made. Your ignorance and your arrogance make you ignore any answer that does not agree with you.

          • James Bowen says:

            You have not told me another way to humanely reduce our numbers before we run out of vital resources. Therefore you have not rebutted anything. Saying that we have always faced starvation is not a rebuttal. We have never been in this situation where that are far, far more people than can be sustained through completely renewable methods until now.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have refuted your argument now 15 times. You do not get to set the rules, Jimbo. If you do not like the answer, then bend over real far and put it where the sun don’t shine.

            My answer will always be the same, or a variant thereof.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, denying reality is not a valid answer. Tell me how we are going to support billions of people when we run out of vital non-renewables that we used to feed ourselves. I am listening.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Like I said, Global Warming and climate change are of much more danger than any of your attempts at turning human life into a Fizziks experiment.

          • James Bowen says:

            Explain to me how they are, and tell me how we are going to indefinitely sustain our numbers.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Not relevant, but already addressed.

          • James Bowen says:

            I would say that what becomes of 90 some percent of our species is very relevant. Awaiting your answer.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Once again, I will ask:

            What is the extent of our resources?
            When will our resources fail?
            What will be the end result when they do fail?
            Is this not just a form of racist social engineering?
            Of course, I could go on, but this is a start.

            The point here is, if your “equations” cannot answer those questions, then they cannot be applied. You are applying mathematical principles (or Fizzicks, if you desire) to prove what cannot be calculated mathematically, and is therefore null.

            I understand what you are saying, and do not necessarily disagree with the idea of over stretched resources, but the truth is you are using this logic trick to hide your racist agenda.
            Who made you god?

          • James Bowen says:

            I have told you that the extent of our resources are the Earth’s mass and the power supplied to Earth by the Sun. A specific time as to when our resources are depleted cannot be given because we do not know the exact limits to those resources. We just know their ultimate limit. Their real limit is lower. Right now, the current population, under current climatic conditions, could be supported for a few more centuries. Given these very real limits, how are we going to sustain our numbers indefinitely?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            But Jimbo, are you admitting you don’t know everything? Well, I can NEARLY agree with that. In any case, you have no answers. Just a couple of out of context equations and jargon (e.g. “correction”).

            Why always such a downer, Jimbo. I am a realist Jimbo. Which unrealistic people often incorrectly attribute to negativity. Yet, compared to you I am a regular motivational speaker.

          • James Bowen says:

            If you are such a realist, tell me how we are going to indefinitely sustain our current population?

            I never implied that I knew the exact limits. What I have stated is that there are absolute physical limits, and there are far more restrictive biological limits that we have already exceeded in the long term.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Then you admit that my repeated (19 times?, I lost count) assessments are in fact correct. Thank you. Of course, I already knew this to my satisfaction in the first dozen posts. Not the first 400 like you, and still counting.

          • James Bowen says:

            And what would that assessment be? I have stated that we have upper physical limits, and that the real limits, while not known definitively, are in fact much lower. I am still waiting for you to tell me how those limits are going to be overcome to indefinitely sustain our current numbers.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You have stated . . . pfft! So you must be god, or something. More like a malodorous rodent, maybe. The link below has been tested, so don’t bother with the lies about a dead link.

            https://www.google.com/url?q=http://meridian.aag.org/callforpapers/program/AbstractDetail.cfm%3FAbstractID%3D45318&sa=U&ei=YJNEU6KdB4Xu2gWyoYCwCw&ved=0CAwQFjAF&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFhvoBTNQ_LDXWDNGG3ujtvQ0dqGA

            According to the AAG (my group), population for the first decade increased by what? The amount of increase due to re-location, i.e. immigration was what? The calculated percentage would then be what? I this small a figure in 10-11 years exceptionally large.

            As I have said, there is not currently any crisis in THIS country, except in availability of water supplies. Off the subject, but that alone is a good reason to stop fracking.

            Where the immediate danger lies is in certain African and Asian nations that could suffer horrible devastation due to a natural disaster. Those nations have problems with both their food and water supply already, but “repatriating” people to these countries will help neither these nations nor ours.

          • James Bowen says:

            This does not tell the whole story. Almost all U.S. population growth is due to immigration, either directly (people moving in) or indirectly (births to immigrants). The fertility rate among the native born has been below replacement since 1972. If we reduced net immigration to zero today, the population would continue to grow naturally for a few more decades but would eventually stabilize provided the birth rates remain the same. NumbersUSA has a good graphic that explains this. Unfortunately, their website is down at the moment.

            If there is no crisis in this country, tell me how we are going to indefinitely sustain our current numbers.

            Repatriating people who don’t belong here would help us immensely, and it would pressure those nations we send them back to to take responsibility for their situation.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So, you now agree that I was right about your previous racist postings. You have returned to square one.

            A curious thing is the admission that there is no crisis, but as there is no crisis, you still want me to explain how we can sustain a population that has not reached a crisis threshold.

            That is interesting, stupid, but interesting. . . . Jimbo, you are an uneducated racist dolt. You cannot even reason your way out of your own narrow mentality.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, I never said that there is no crisis. I said that if there is no crisis, demonstrate that by telling me how we can indefinitely sustain the current population. If you cannot do that, than the crisis is immediate.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No Jimbo, “it does not follow.” There is no immediate crisis. Well, there is a crisis. From bat-shit crazy teatards like yourself, that are working like maggots to destroy this Republic.

          • James Bowen says:

            How are we going to indefinitely sustain our numbers? If you can’t tell me that, than the crisis is immediate.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Already answered, but again, the “crisis” is not only not a crisis, but is certainly not immediate. The nation’s that you wish to deport these people to are the one’s with the immediate crisis.

            Therefore, you question is moot!

          • James Bowen says:

            Then how are we going to indefinitely sustain our numbers? You cannot legitimately make that claim that the crisis is not immediate unless you tell me how this can be done.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Wow, you continually prove me right about your bigotry and racism.

            What is just as bad, you prove you probably do not even have a college education at all. Certainly not in Fizzicks.

            Here goes, for the maybe the twenty-fourth time:
            There is no immediate crisis. That is easy to confirm. Therefore, NO answer to your question is necessary.

            Get out of the basement. Get a job. Maybe, go out and mix a little with people that are not skin-heads.

          • James Bowen says:

            Then confirm it by telling me how we can indefinitely sustain our numbers. If you can’t do that, then the crisis is immediate. This is not an answer, this is flat out denial. You yourself admitted that we can’t indefinitely sustain our numbers. Saying that and saying there is no immediate crisis are contradictory positions.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have already explained that repeatedly. No immediate problem, no crisis. I am glad you took the time out from your day of useless whining to consult with me.

          • James Bowen says:

            There is only no immediate crisis if we have a way to sustain our population indefinitely. So tell me what that is.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            False conclusion based on false premise. Answered repeatedly and disposed of in a cesspool where that shit belongs.

          • James Bowen says:

            That’s not an answer. Still waiting.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            “False conclusion based on false premise.” Concise and truthful statement based on observable facts. Answered repeatedly and disposed of in a cesspool where that shit belongs.

          • James Bowen says:

            Still waiting.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Going to grow old waiting Jimmie Bobo. So again:

            “False conclusion based on false premise.” Concise and truthful statement based on observable facts. Answered repeatedly and disposed of in a cesspool where that shit belongs.

          • James Bowen says:

            Still waiting for an answer which you have not provided.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As I have said, you base everything on your bigoted, racist mantra. As long as you have no integrity or willingness to consider the points of others, then no reply will suit you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You know Jimbo, you are not quite human. You talk in pat, cryptic racist phrases that you think prove something.

            Face it, you are not even responding to MY TOPIC at all. Your ignorant argument failed and now you are trying to go off into the wilderness with the discussion.

            READ: As the adult has decided to have even more fun with you, this entire series of posts will now become talking points.

          • James Bowen says:

            You say my argument has failed. It has not, especially considering that you have still not told me how we are going to sustain our current numbers let alone an ever growing population.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The magic number is 12. Plus I think I am up over 150 total replies as well. The failure of your argument is all the more egregious when you consider that you are merely refusing to listening to anybody that is not repeating your words back to you verbatim.

            I guess when you are dishonest and uneducated, you have to have some solace. Yet, beating your head on a stone wall is a strange way to get it.

          • James Bowen says:

            Still waiting for that first answer.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Still waiting for you to read that FIRST answer, and then the SECOND, and the THIRD, . . . .

          • James Bowen says:

            You finally did give me a partial answer. However, your saying that it is not an immediate concern shows that you do not understand the gravity of our situation.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The only immediate concern and danger to this nation is lying hater’s such as yourself.

          • James Bowen says:

            There is no greater danger we are facing, as a nation and as a species, than the overshoot trap.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Jimbo says, “overshoot trap . . ., overshoot trap . . .,
            overshoot trap . . ., overshoot trap . . .,
            overshoot trap . . ., overshoot trap . . .,
            overshoot trap . . ., overshoot trap . . .,
            overshoot trap . . ., overshoot trap . . .,
            overshoot trap . . ., overshoot trap . . .,
            and on into infinity, ad nauseum, amen.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You know Bozo, you are one of the few people I have ever met, and I have met some, that can actually deny telling a lie right while they are telling it again.

          • James Bowen says:

            None of this is a lie.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Oddly, you are one of the few people I have ever met, and I have met some, that can actually deny telling a lie right while they are telling it again.

          • James Bowen says:

            Demonstrate that I have lied about anything–or just save yourself some time and admit you can’t.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I already have on numerous occasions. Like all trolling liars, it meant nothing. You just tell more. So, like I told you numerous times, your just an egotistical fuckwit with delusions of grandeur and sociopathic tendencies.

            Oh, I am doing myself a favor by not writing 20 more paragraphs once again proving you are a liar. BUT, I will give you one. You started out arrogantly trying to foist your inferior educational credentials on me in lieu of an intelligent, coherent, and honest argument. You changed that educational credential twice. BOTH of those were lies. You have never made even one attempt after over one hundred repetitions of that fact. So, it went into the books long, long ago. So, you got ONE paragraph, but a liar you will always be.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, you have not. Quite the opposite, you even verified my educational background.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            1. Actually that is not quite true. You changed your story twice, after trying to win an argument by claiming a credential you may have, but obviously did not earn.
            2. You do not have the integrity or moral fiber to actually hold the degree you claim. That is why you were accused. This has been discussed many times before.
            3. Only a total ass tries to force other people to agree with him for no other reason than to get them to agree.

            4. When I discuss, I impart knowledge, and often learn in return.
            5. You do not discuss, but dictate that compliance with your nonsensical ideas is necessary. You learn nothing and I am sure you are very nearly incapable of learning anything. At least not anything true.

            Discussed, and reasoned evidence posted, for over the one hundredth time. Or is it 200, or is it 300?

          • James Bowen says:

            Except for that fact that this is all your personal opinion, which does not constitute proof that I am a liar.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why DO you hate the truth so badly?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Everything you say is suspect because of your lack honor. Why would anyone want to bother sorting out the lies you tell from what little truth you say?

          • James Bowen says:

            Show me evidence that I am a liar. Accusations and insults do not count.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You just did. We both know that you lie constantly, ergo, to demand MORE evidence when you know that you do lie, makes this very question a lie.

            And to anyone but a mentally deficient asshole, indicating that you lie is NOT an insult.

            Add to that, last night you told ten easily provable lies in one post! Incredible.

            If you had any sense, you would drop the not to clever BS about not lying. You lie so much, you might as well embrace it. Oh, but of course, you really aren’t very clever, or very smart, my dear Fizzy-cyst.

          • James Bowen says:

            You don’t have any evidence that I am a liar, do you?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you hate America, Bozo?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Why do you hate the human race so badly?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The only deduction was in the number of brain cells you have. They were “deducted” as unnecessary in this ball of confusion you consider posting.

          • James Bowen says:

            If you are confused about anything, please ask and I will clarify. I thought I have been straightforward about how natural laws point toward a limit to our numbers.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Unfortunately, this is one of my fields of expertise. So, I think the confusion is all yours and you are unlikely to explain anything that makes sense.

            ALL you have done is hammer the same couple of questions without any real thought process behind them. It is a criminal insult that I have to answer you at all, but I have.

            I have made the TWELFTH direct reply to your stupid questions. Though I swore I would not. Yet, as you obviously are too wound up to even read a dissenting opinion, there is no further point.

          • James Bowen says:

            I am not confused about anything here. I know we cannot support an ever-growing population. You either seem to think we can or just brush aside the consequences (which would be at minimum the likely end of civilization as we know it). I am still waiting for an answer, by the way.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Not confused? More likely you are a space rocket headed to the outer planets.

          • James Bowen says:

            No, I am not confused.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, is Pluto a planet, or not? Inquiring minds want to know.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            The adult in this conversation has pointed out that your “question” is bigoted and racist, as well as truly pointless, except to your highly overworked ego.

            In other words, I wasted the seven answers I made to a question that was not even worth answering. Understand?

          • James Bowen says:

            Still waiting for an answer traitor. You have to tell me how to violate conservation of energy. Something tells me you are not going to be able to do that.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Actually traitor and moron, I have answered at least eight times. Just not to your satisfaction. This is more proof that you are not a holder of an advanced degree in “Physics.” You will not accept any answer that does not agree with your sociopath’s view of the world.

            By the way, have you ever heard something like, for ever action, there is and equal and opposite reaction. NOW THAT IS PHYSICS. And it is a fact that suggests your ideas will only result in the destruction of the nation I LOVE, and you HATE.

          • James Bowen says:

            You can insult me all you like. The fact is that you have not answered my question about how we could sustain an ever-increasing population. You also have implied that you want to put illegal aliens ahead of citizens, which is treason in spirit, if not the letter of the law.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Yes, I have moron. Your stupidity and bigotry just drive you to hate the answer. You have decided no to accept any reason.

            THAT is NOT my problem. But one of yours. So go back into your mom’s closet where you came from.

          • James Bowen says:

            Yes, you finally have, and you agreed with me. Good enough for me, your insults aside.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            No, I did not agree with you. Only a complete moron would suggest that. Go ahead, and play your little game. Anyone that reads this blog is just going to see how ignorant, racist, and lying a turd you really are.

            No skin off my a**. Please continue.

          • James Bowen says:

            Then I repeat my question: How can we support an ever-growing population on a finite planet with a finite energy supply? (Answer: we can’t!).

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Then I will repeat my original answer to your repeated question: No, I did not agree with you. Only a complete moron would suggest that. Go ahead, and play your little game. Anyone that reads this blog is just going to see how ignorant, racist, and lying a turd you really are.

            Stiill a valid answer.

          • angelsinca says:

            The not-so-eloquent Russell Byrd again shows his true colors as a complete tool.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            So, do you think you have a defense from the charge of being a troll?

            I guess you just had to rush back to show your ignorance and your “true colors” as a very broken tool.

          • James Bowen says:

            Except you did not tell me how we are going to support an ever-growing population. Tell me how we will.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Eleven answers have been supplied,
            You are not satisfied.
            Tough sh*t,
            Sorry, nitwit.

          • James Bowen says:

            You haven’t supplied any. I will be satisfied with you telling me that it can’t be done and we therefore need to control population. As a matter of fact, that is the logical conclusion I am looking for. I won’t hold my breath though.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I have already repeatedly responded to your false claims. I have no intention of continuing posting small essays every time you demand just because you cannot grow up and accept the answers.

            You have shown yourself to be personally dishonest and without integrity. You have made claims to academic awards that you are obviously not qualified for. Therefore, if you are a chronic liar, why should anyone pay any attention to you.

          • James Bowen says:

            Tell me how my claims are false. Tell me how we can support an ever-growing population.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            They are. Face it, I have answered you eleven times on the questions you keep asking, and well over 150 other posts answering, correcting, negating, and debunking every aspect of your racist philosophy.

            Do you think number twelve will make a difference?

            Like I told you, it’s not happening.

          • James Bowen says:

            Then tell me how. You have not debunked anything, because you have yet to tell me how we can overcome energy conservation and support an ever-growing population. Till you can do that (which you won’t be able to), you have not debunked anything.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            ” . . . overcome energy conservation.” Jimbo, you understand so little you cannot even phrase your question properly. Which is bad when you consider it is the only argument you have.

            You kind of debunked yourself. You do not understand that the question you keep asking, does not even apply to human behavior in a direct sense. AND you even admitted that.

          • James Bowen says:

            It does apply to humans. Whatever our behavior is, it must ultimately yield to physical laws such as energy conservation. Now tell me, how are we going to overcome it to accomodate infinite growth in a finite country?

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, once you actually admitted the truth of my statement. Now you spin it in another direction for the convenience of your racism.

            And by the way, it does not apply to humans in a direct sense. Maybe as a pile of atoms if you only consider people a pile of meat, but it does not refer to sentient beings. It does not make our decisions for us, though it certainly can punish us when we choose poorly.

            Sorry Jimbo, but you are firmly in my field, and sh*tting all over the true facts.

          • James Bowen says:

            If I said anything, it was that physical laws as we understand them cannot predict human behavior. That is not the same thing as saying that they don’t apply to us. They most certainly do as they determine under what conditions we live or die. I would say that is pretty direct.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Then good, maybe you will see a little more light shortly. . . .

            So, if you are saying that you kill someone with a knife that it was the physical laws that did it. The act maybe, but the intent? You prove my point!

          • James Bowen says:

            Now you are actually asking an interesting question. Human behavior is undoubtedly a natural phenomenon, but one which is currently beyond the realm of physics to explain. That being said, however we behave is still ultimately constrained by physical laws we do understand such as conservation of energy.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Asked that question three times before, and now you are just catching on. Of course, when you believe the entire world is behind your racist back, then I guess the facts and ideas of others are meaningless.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Explain in detail how that conservation of energy works. I know, but I want to see if you can make a spontaneous answer. Of course, when you do it will probably reek of wikipedia or you will steal it from you idol’s lectures. As well, when you do, or more correctly, if you are capable of doing so, your argument will melt like an icicle in a blast furnace.

            Oh yeah, what about all those degrees you claimed to have. I understand that Cracker Jacks does not provide them. So where did you get yours?

            Teeheehee, another NON-question.

          • James Bowen says:

            Energy can neither be destroyed nor created, only transformed. As special relativity tells us, mass is a form an energy. Since the Earth has a finite mass (i.e. finite resources) and since the energy from the Sun that Earth-based life depends on is also finite, there is a physical limit to population. It is all but certain that biological limits are far more restrictive that those hard upper physical limits of which I speak.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Jimbo, that is a classic example of using a few things that are true, then spinning them into a lie.

            In any case, you continue to ignore the fact that all your little machinations are merely designed to disguise your racism. You are merely trying to put a coat of paint on a pile of sh*t. . . .

          • James Bowen says:

            These limits clearly show that there is a hard upper physical limits to the number of human beings that can exist on Earth. The real, biological limits are far lower.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Which of course, in your infinite racism, you know exactly how many white people are supposed to be on this planet. You do know how many, don’t you.

          • angelsinca says:

            Cool. Please ignore then.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Go away from this MINOR blog and you will be ignored. No one wants to be a part of misery like you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I just wanted to tell you (or remind you), that our “married” multi-racial family man “angel” (or is it woman) claimed to be homeless last year for seven months.

            Wonder where his beloved spouse and herhis extended family was all that time. I also would be real surprised that “angel” did not run screaming to the nearest food stamp office.

            Of course, he claimed to have been married three times, and to have had four steady girlfriends, as an adult.

            His son is in jail for supposedly “defending his home and family” from some violent perpetrator. Seems he got some time “running wild” for this “innocent” act and may be old and gray before he gets out. I guess we Liberals caused him to be so unjustly treated. I guess that goes to your “not the center of the universe” statement. He really believes we are out to get him and his.

            Just to get “angel’s” goat, I often remind him that I had heard that same “I’m innocent” BS from all manner of criminals. Some really are, but “angel” obviously taught his son that the feelings and rights of others are just there to be violated with impunity. And I love treating his evil with abject cruelty by slamming him with the idea that he taught, by example, his son to be the bastard that he obviously is. The apple did not fall far from the tree and was rotten to the core from the start.

            Can we believe anything he says?

          • angelsinca says:

            The positive effect you have on those around is less than zero, No worries.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            You claim to be in “minor liberal blogs.” Why would any rational individual that hates Liberals do that? Your next lie is already predicted, and all I will get out of it is your syntax. The content is
            moot.

            I do not troll the groups, as you do. I do not harass on-topic posters. I only make negative comments to those that are flooding the group with low-quality, off-topic, and abusive nonsense to disrupt the flow of conversation. By the way, you have exempted yourself from that statement, and done so many times.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Well, we both know that is a lie. So what affect does your nonsense have?

            We both know, unless you are more insane than I think, that you lie constantly. Your most above is a prime example.

          • elw says:

            Angel goat is very easy to get, she or he is no angel and one those people who were born lying. its (angel) has its own agenda and will say anything to push it. Once in a while I find it fun to push it a bit.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I love pushing “its” buttons. It will periodically stir up something, and will keep it up if I say anything. Angelstench cannot get that he cannot hurt me.

            I can stay on him? much longer than he can stand, but I eventually regret wasting time on that trash that I can spend improving at work, or caring for family.

            I thought I might share with you those little tidbits. You probably already know all that and much more to boot, but I think a few extra weapons in the arsenal are always handy.

            I know I am a little sharp tongued. Well, maybe little is not always a good description. Yet, that is some of my enjoyment lies. If there were no trolls, I would have just remained a reader of the posts by all the decent posters, such as yourself. However, angel has shown that he feels no empathy, human kindness, truthfulness, etc. Just evil, and self-serving, self-centered ego, that gives him the right to control everyone else. Even when he is in a “minor liberal blog” (his words), where he is unwelcome.

            In other words, he is not deserving of my kindness and understanding. So anything goes.

            Forgive me if I mistakenly sounded like a jerk. I have to run, so I did not proof read this. I hate proofreading though you have to do it sometimes. I never like re-reading my own writing.

          • elw says:

            The way I look at it anything said by the jerk is meant to upset who he is writing too, so like any bully, he/she deserve a bit of the medicine they are dishing out. I love when they begin calling me names, I know then I have hit a sensitive button. I figure if you cannot take it you should never dish it out. I have one rule no name calling. I fail at that now and again – but then I am only human. There is a big difference between people like Angel and those who just have different opinions. I have many Conservative friends and we manage to be respectful of each other even when we are talking politics.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I agree fully. Though, I wish I still had your ethic of not calling names. I was here for years, just reading posts. I never posted. Yet, after watching “lana” and “angel” and their ilk filthing up the group, and watching people that I enjoyed reading dissappear, I took up posting. Slowly at first and I avoided strong language like the plague. But as I got to slapping around on angel and his fellows from the cesspool, I started getting a little more loose with my language. Now, I just call angelstench anything that comes to mind, though I usually will edit out the worst before I push the “post” key. Alas, I do not have the resilience that I used to have, and you still do.

            Lately, angel’s favorite ploy is to tell me how much damage I am doing, how many people I am running off, and how unpopular I am. Basically, he cannot even come up with any fresh ideas of his own. I often ask him why he is hanging around in these “minor liberal blogs,” but I have never heard a peep of an answer. That was a direct quote from angel by the way.

            Of course, I know why he is here, because he told us that years ago. To “educate,” pfft!, and to shut down discussion and close the blogs. Big ambition for such a mental midget and coward. By the way, how do you make farting sounds in text? I think that would apply well to angel’s posts.

            Finally, I have proposed to angel that we have a popularity contest. Poll the blog and see who is really unwelcome. I have no doubt that I am not loved, but there is no way angel has a chance. I won’t go into details here, but I proposed a simple vote. All “Guest” votes would be disqualified. I also offered that if he could find three “regular” posters to fully back him up, that I would have to find six. In other words, I am willing to spot him three if he can find three on his own that have good relations with him. I am talking about “regulars.” On both offers, . . . well did you ever see the Blues Brothers? The scene with “Jake” and Carrie Fisher’s character. The rapid fire string of excuses Jake made to keep her from using an M-16 on him. Well, that was angel. It is hard to believe that someone is as stupid and dishonest as angel. He must have been one real little turd when he was a kid. I cannot see him being anything but a bully and a liar.

            I cannot for the life of me figure out why a guy would go to the trouble to do what angel does. He must certainly be a miserable person with a miserable life.

            In closing, I would not be surprised that he reads this post. I have been getting some replies from angel about things I said to other posters. I mean new stuff in blogs that are a month old. He must be skimming all that old stuff, or he is really going deep into my posting profile. Angel is a waste of time, but I get a certain joy in degrading him. Thank you for your reply, and have a good night!

          • angelsinca says:

            Russell, it appears that “people that (you) enjoyed reading dissappear,” coincides with your slapping people around. Maybe they found no value being associated with you during your periods of hateful and unnecessarily vulgar commentary. If you took longer pauses from the extreme political rants that you sharpen with personal abuse, maybe they would care to read what you write. Until then, you are only wasting most everyone’s time.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Keep lying and digging yourself a deeper hole in Hell. Dante said the lowest level of Hell was occupied by priests. You will probably go through eternity as being their crapper.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Damn boy, even your own right wackos find you disgusting. It must be tragic to have to go through life without even one friend or ally, and have to make up imaginary “friends.” Normal people stop doing that when they are in Kindergarten. . . . Why don’t you just end jump off the L.A. City Hall. At least you will get a decent burial for nothing, oops, we taxpayers will be footing the bill . . . again!

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As well, I gave you an avenue to prove your rot. Yet, you either avoid addressing the subject, or you make lame excuses when you do. However, rest assured that program will begin in a few weeks, or days maybe, and your participation will not be necessary. We both know how that will end. Teeheehee. And the really sick part is, all you have ever had to do is tell the truth and behave. You can’t or won’t, because your insignificant ass thinks the rights of other people do not exist.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As for remedies, I have been hesitant to start my inquiries into getting you banned. Yet, MJ has been wanting them to keep giving them money. As I write
            this, I have decided to write a little letter to them about that. If they want my money, you have to go. If MJ wants to die, so be it.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I wonder what
            the record is for violating the Ninth Commandment. That is probably
            why you have never run a business, except maybe into the ground. Why
            you cannot hold a job. Why you cannot keep a home. Why your son is in
            jail. Why you spend your time here abusing this “minor liberal blog.”
            It is evil, but evil is your only form of entertainment. Maybe, that is
            why you have to make up relationships, and have so many failed
            marriages. Married to a minority? Is her name Helen Keller Hernandez?
            Only someone with no sense of hearing or sight, and likely no sense of
            smell could stand your racist ass!

          • angelsinca says:

            You are only poisoning yourself and these pages, poster boy.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            Once again, you have implied that I have “hit the nail on the head.” I am completely correct, am I not? Anyway, I can deal with missing the mark a little bit, as long as I know that I have come close to the bulls eye.

            The only poison here is YOU. You stop and, though the blog will never be perfect, a lot of fresh air will get in to remove your stench.

            So . . . , you are saying that you do these things with complete cognizance of the evil that you do. (That is not a question, but a statement of fact.)

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I know you do not bring it up often, but as you claim to be a God fearing “it,” do you think your treatment of others will get you to heaven? Don’t bother LYING to me, GOD knows you are lying and it is to HIM you will answer. I rather think “paradise” for you is just a pipe dream. As I understand it, willful ignorance will not be an excuse.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            I gave you the avenue to prove what you say, but you would rather LIE. So much more satisfying, isn’t it. But, the process will proceed, with or without you.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            As for being extreme, I am not. I came to READ the articles in a “minor liberal blog,” as you put it, and I only post rarely, and on-topic. That is until shit like you shows up, then my ability to tolerate the filth is very short.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            What? Were you beaten or molested as a child. That still would not be an explanation for your pathological lying. How can you call yourself a Christian and post such evil garbage.

          • Russell Byrd says:

            LIAR, god damned liar, and you know very well that you are one. Yet, in your sick perverted mind, you can’t quit, because in your sadistic hateful mind, you enjoy seeing people in pain, and inflicting pain.

          • elw says:

            Although I fail at times, I do not call names because that is exactly what they want. They do stalk, I have one on another blog that shows up on most of my comments. One thing we should be happy about the people like angel have not gotten what they want, this remains a strong progressive blog. One more thing I only engage with them to a point, when they start the circular arguments, I stop responding. I find it boring. How many time can try and explain the same points over?

          • angelsinca says:

            Simply wrong ELW. The intent you assume is extremely inaccurate. Try asking sometime without swinging the bat of presumed intellectual superiority. I don’t recall ever calling you any names. If I had, I apologize.

          • elw says:

            I am sure you do not recall calling anyone names most bullies go to their graves swearing they didn’t do it.

          • angelsinca says:

            I apologized. Anything else you care to disregard?

          • angelsinca says:

            ‘Born lying’. Simply put, this is stupid. Mostly though, it is a lie.

          • elw says:

            HA, typical defensive response from a bully.

          • angelsinca says:

            Calling you out on your ‘born lying’ lie is a ‘bully’ response. Got it. (cuckoo).

        • Russell Byrd says:

          Obviously, you once again did not read the article and only came here to argue and spread hatred. Nothing new there. . . .

          By the way, you have proven yourself to be a racist many times. As well, your policies are roughly the same as any self-professed Nazi, so why carp about it?

          • angelsinca says:

            Ok Russell worthless Byrd, let’s see that proof of racism.. I have several thousand public posts to prove your claims. You can’t. You lie. So, I am now a “self-professed Nazi” ? You are totally wacked AND a liar. Probably a thief too. Please be a drug addict. This would be the only explanation.