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Mitt Romney Tells 26,000 Americans They Didn’t Die

October 11, 2012 4:09 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 202 Comments A+ / A-
Mitt Romney Tells 26,000 Americans They Didn’t Die

When he appeared on 60 Minutes in September, Mitt Romney shocked many Americans when he claimed that Americans do not die for a lack of insurance. “Well, we do provide care for people who don’t have insurance. If someone has a heart attack, they don’t sit in their apartment and die.”

Actually, at least 26,000 Americans die every year for lack of insurance, according to a study by the advocacy group Families USA. That number is up from a 2000 study that showed about 18,000 uninsured Americans die every year. Another study from Harvard University suggested that as many as 45,000 Americans die for a lack of health insurance a year.

Now Romney—who is echoing George W. Bush’s claim that all Americans do have access to health care  in an emergency room—has doubled down on these comments. Wednesday, he made the same claim to the Columbus Dispatch:

“We don’t have a setting across this country where if you don’t have insurance, we just say to you, ‘Tough luck, you’re going to die when you have your heart attack,’  ” he said as he offered more hints as to what he would put in place of “Obamacare,” which he has pledged to repeal.

“No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance.”

Romney is referencing a law signed by Ronald Reagan that mandates that no hospital emergency room can turn away someone because they cannot pay. Of course, you can’t get dialysis or chemotherapy in an emergency room. And the law is only as strong as the president’s willingness to enforce it.

Romney’s brazen willingness to disregard the tens of thousands of Americans who die every year because they can’t afford care is quite minor compared to his pledges to repeal Obamacare and shrink Medicaid. All in all, this could increase the number of uninsured Americans by more than 50 million.

Romney has also said that idea of “free riders” getting care without coverage was one of the impetuses for Romneycare—the health care plan he passed as governor of Massachusetts and became the model for Obamacare.

In his recent comments, Romney is sounding nothing like the man who created the first nearly universal health care system in America and more like Sharron Angle, the former Tea Party Republican Senate candidate in Nevada, who often claimed that there was nothing wrong with our health care system.

Photo credit: AP Photo/Charles Dharapak

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  • old_blu

    “Paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital”

    I’ll bet that hospital don’t pay for it but it gets paid.

    I can’t wait for this election to get over with so we can get rid of this lying bag of wind, he sounds more, and more like Rush Limbuger.

    • Divertissement

      I am surprised that no one has countered him about this. If some are working, own a modest house, and have kids going to school, they may not have insurance, or if they do, it may be inadequate for many reasons –
      So, without adequate insurance, they stand to lose everything they worked for.
      A protracted illness, or major surgery can put the entire family in poverty in less than a year.

      I know someone in California who had this experience. Very sad at 66 years old

  • thelonegunmanX

    I don’t see an issue with his point, people can’t be denied service at a hospital, that’s illegal. How do you think illegal immigrants get casts or deliver children? Same concept actually.

    • MarissaLG

      All you have to do is keep reading…

      ” Of course, you can’t get dialysis or chemotherapy in an emergency room. And the law is only as strong as the president’s willingness to enforce it.”

      • thelonegunmanX

        The issue to me isn’t that Romney suggested that something as utterly ridiculous as 26000 americans not dying as the writer suggested. He answered the directed question quite well and didn’t move in to talking about long term care treatments like dialysis or chemo simply because it seems like they were talking specifically about emergency rooms. Fact is with Obama Care having a guaranteed issue insurance product (which do indeed exist in the private sector, although they are quite expensive) not only insures previously uninsured people (i see no problem with this part, for the record) but will force people who choose not to have insurance take a “tax” out of their paycheck to cover this plan. Insurance is a service that you pay into if you want, not one we should force people to have, so Romney’s suggestions for repealing this current iteration of healthcare and coming up with a bi-partisan, previously agreed upon (unlike Obama’s which was pushed through despite it’s lack of partisan support) plan, much like he did back in his home state.

        • Faraday_Cat

          So, you have a stroke from a blood clot and make it to the emergency room in time for them to give you blood thinners and treatment so that you don’t die. They stabilize you, and discharge you. They send you a bill, of course, and “supposedly” if you can’t pay it a charity or the government will. However, they won’t pay for the dialysis you need to keep you from having another stroke, so you have another and this time you die. Now, since you not that the converstaion was specifically about emergency rooms, the interesting thing about the story I just told is that because you are now dead, and there is no true method of recoupment, the government now tells the hospital to write off the expense you incurred on their taxes. Now they can’t afford some other things they need, and everyone’s care suffers, especially since they can’t turn anyone away.

          As far as people “choosing” not to have insurance, I think that’s a crock, because people who do have insurance, as well as every taxpayer, foots the bill when that person goes to the emergency room and can’t pay the giant one-time charges. The young and healthy might not need health insurance, but every one of them will need health CARE at some point, and I think they should pay for it through the mandate if they aren’t going to purchase insurance for the inevitable.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/UHE4MJP5FHMFIEAOGEQHETUGDQ Rvn_sgt6768

          Two problems with your post. First the “tax” you speak of has no enforcement power as the law is written. The IRS is specifically prohibited from collecting this “tax” thus you never have to pay it. Secondly is the be-partisan issue which in your view a bill has to be in order for it to have validity. Show me where in the past 4 years the Republican Congress voted on any bill with the Democrats. All a law needs is a MAJORITY this is the method uses in our Democracy to govern. The sooner we return our Senate to a simple majority instead of this Tparty led filabuster to any and all bills that the Democratic party is supporting the sooner this country returns to sound governance based upon what the Constitution says.

        • SaneJane

          Name one reason a person should refuse to have healthcare insurance. Maybe they are rich and choose to pay their own way. They would not be harmed by paying the fine/tax. Maybe they want to take Mitt’s route and get their care “free” from the emergency room. Freeloader? Maybe they can’t afford insurance. Subsidies?

          Have you noticed how often Mitt mentions parts of Obamacare that he likes and would keep? Have you heard him say which parts he doesn’t like? Why waste the time, effort and money to repeal Obamacare and then institute a new program just like it? You are not thinking this through.

    • old_blu

      Except someone has to pay for those people with higher insurance costs, and higher medical costs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/iwas.here.35 Iwas Here

      People without insurance/money put off treatment until they need (more expensive, less effective) emergency care.

  • ladyofseattle

    ER rooms cannot turn people away. This is true. But you also cannot get treatment for slow-killing diseases or preventative medicine in the ER either. Only emergencies, based on how lenient or busy that particiular hospital is. At the point in time when someone enters the emergency room due to a slow-killing disease, it is far too late. Even hard working tenured citizens aren’t always offered insurance by their companies, and unless their company is paying them enough, they can’t afford to get insurance outside of their employer. It’s guaranteed to kill these people. There’s a clear flaw in our system. It’s unfair to say certain people “earn” their right to health care based on their ability to get a high-paying job with an employer that offers insurance.

    • thelonegunmanX

      I do agree that there is a flaw in our system, however I just think that Obamacare hasn’t hit the issue as well as it could and we need a new plan.

      • ladyofseattle

        Perhaps some updates are needed. Although I can’t imagine the horrendous consequences that could occur with Romney in office.

        • thelonegunmanX

          I’m starting to believe they wouldn’t be nearly as bad as the media has portrayed

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOPKDFAUQPIIRAFI3HEXNMSHLQ Ed

            Then you are not listening to Romney and Ryan.

          • jvaljon1

            Why should you? The media, after all, only takes the words out of Romney’s mouth—no Republican, cares about that.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOPKDFAUQPIIRAFI3HEXNMSHLQ Ed

        Obomacare hasn’t hit the issue as well as it could and we need a new plan. NO! Obomacare hasn’t hit the issue as well as it could because the president was gullible enough to accede to the demands ofa party whointednded to destrot him!.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

          Obamacare will not take effect until 2014.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dmcrane1 Donna M Crane

            Wrong, it will not be fully implemented until 2014, but many parts of it are already in force, including the parts that cover the most dire needs. Insurance companies cannot drop you when you get sick which was huge problem and happened all the time. They can’t refuse to cover a child born with pre-existing condition on the parent’s Insurance Plan, kids can stay on their parents insurance until age 26, yrly physicals, pap smear, mammograms, prostate exams available w/o co-pay, and for people with pre-existing conditions who aren’t covered, and who can’t get coverage, they can go on the PreExisting Condition Insurance Plan now. My 40 year old son, lost his job and insurance three years ago. He has preexistng high blood pressure and chronic pancreatitis, COBRA was over $800 a month (who can pay that when you’ve lost your job) and the quotes we got from 3 private ins. companies were $1200-$1600 a month to cover him, and excluded his preexisting conditions. No one would offer him insurance at any price that included those conditions. He is now covered by the ACA PreExisting Condition Insurance Plan here in AZ at an affordable $188 a month and it includes an RX plan so he can get the meds that keep him out of hospital and emergency room. He is back at work for less pay and the employer does not offer insurance, but he is able to afford and keep up his insurance and has been covered for a year and a half. He kept his same primary care doctor, has seen 3 specialists and been put on a special diet and is doing well and working full time.

        • jvaljon1

          I think the President knows better. It’s US–those of us who stay home from the polls, those of us who let OTHER people vote in our stead—-WE are the ones who, by not voting, accede to the demands of a party which has said many times that it intends to destroy ALL, who stand in its way.

        • jvaljon1

          President Obama was not, “gullible enough to have acceded to the demands of a party which intended to destroy him”, Ed;
          I checked up, on their own websites.

          It appears that the 2000’s—a period where ‘home-schooling’ was the ‘standard’ of education among the religious majority—produced the young adults of today. THESE are the people who are so gullible, as to STILL BELIEVE, THAT OUR PRESIDENT IS A FOREIGNER! That Secret Service investigational entries to the reverse (done with all Presidential Candidates) somehow FAILED to tag, Democrats! The polls are accurate, all right; THESE are the people, who are driving them!!!

          THIS is what we get for refusing to believe that people who (so to speak) drool into their cereal each morning; therefore, don’t have the NUMBERS, to defeat the more…umm… ‘critically thinking’, (for lack of a…well; more INCLUSIVE term)—part, of our population.

          In America, the new reporters have to recite a mantra: Facts don’t matter, there ARE no facts, facts are what YOU make them; state an opinion forcefully enough and it BECOMES a fact… this, is to counter the FORMER (Oh, OK; Progressive Method of fact-finding): What (happened) Where (country, city, town), When (actual DATE of happening) To Whom (did it actually happen) ACTUAL FACTS ARE DOUBLE-CHECKED AND VERIFIED—then and ONLY then, is the OPINION (of the reporter) at all acceptable. Example:

          A Tree Fell (In) New York City (Yester-)day, onto the Head of an Innocent Passer-by Named (Insert name here). The Chief of Police (Verification of fact), one (insert name here, ex.—John Joseph Allen) spoke to our reporter (whose name OR ORGANIZATION, is at the top of the story/byline). It was clear to (me, the reporter, after checking out) ALL SOURCES—that the tree (FACT) listening to a Voice From Above, (In My Humble Opinion) and (timing its fall to coincide precisely with the stride of [victim's name] who was taking a walk in the woods (FACT) landed on (his/her) head, thus causing a massive injury (FACT) that was the (Probable Cause of Death). THAT was how newspaper stories USED TO BE REPORTED, in the EXACTING STYLE of PROGRESSIVE REPORTING.

          This was the standard to which ALL News reporting, (up until the early 90s) adhered to; rather than what exists in this here-and-now, when anyone can say whatever they want, about anything they choose to talk about, and have it accepted as FACT—(whether or not, it actually IS a fact– as long as The Boss, AGREED WITH YOUR (opinion, vs. the REAL OPINION [as the one who signs your Paycheck, sees it!])

          Yep, the old standards aren’t gone (you still have to learn them to get your Journalism degree)—but they certainly can be played with (FACTS, especially—with “reasons”, close behind) in order to de-legitimize actual causes of events, in the likelihood that those causes do NOT serve the needs of the ‘reporter’s’ sponsors. EXAMPLE:

          NeoCON: 9/11 was caused by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein
          REASON: to make it easy for the American people to countenance a war in Iraq.
          SECONDARY REASON FOR THE WAR: to secure rights to the largest, purest oilfield of the day (2000); to aid the Boss’ friends, the Saudis, (who were historical enemies of the Saudi people) and to give the perpetrator, Osama bin Laden, sufficient time to get clear of world opinion of his role in 9/11, and find a place where those same people APPROVED of what he, bin Laden, did on 9/11. Now, why would this be?

          As it turns out (FACTS) bin Laden had been a close family friend of the Bush(es)—and had tried to give their son a ‘head for business’. bin Laden’s spectacular failure in that regard, was over-ridden by those ‘family ties’—-and so he went unpunished for 9/11, until America finally elected a President who considered it his chief task to order the hit on the ACTUAL PERPETRATOR of 9/11; who was, of course, Osama bin Laden.

          This, President Obama did, almost as soon as he took office; he made as his first BEST task, to find the best who served in our Military– and to assign them, to avenge 9/11.

          President Obama, first took office in late January, 2009; among the many many tasks that he had at hand, he didn’t forget to give the “kill” order that Americans had been waiting for, for the past TEN YEARS–to kill bin Laden, the Twin Towers Murderer, who FINALLY died (for that capital crime that he had committed against America) early in May, 2011.

          But, that the American People were FORCED TO WAIT 10 YEARS and TWO WARS, in order to finally achieve justice for that strike against America in 2001—is due primarily to the fact that bin Laden was a close family friend of the Bush’s—-the former president’s family. And the Bushes are NOTHING, if not LOYAL TO THEIR FRIENDS.

          Many people who had wondered if the famed Bush loyalty included the USA—to them, Bush the II’s actions regarding his close friend and one-time business leader ([Saudi] bin Laden Construction), Usama bin Laden, put all supposition to rest.

          The embarrassing fact that Bush II’s loyalties were FIRST to his OLD FRIEND—and only SECOND to his country—that, didn’t seem to bother any but the ‘common people'; and who, anyway, were THEY?

          Just the ones who went in the OPPOSITE direction and, instead of listening to a corrupted ‘media’—in 2008, hired a more talented and more forceful LEADER to ‘get this country out of the ditch that the previous administration, had mired us in’.

          The same ones who will lead a second time—-despite the political chicanery being planned by the FORMER leaders of the American People, the Republicans.

          Flaws in the Republican Party—-they choose their Leaders (and operatives, of course) based on those peoples’ ability TO LIE AS NONE HAVE EVER DONE, BEFORE;

          Flaws in the Democratic Party—–failure to GET OUT THE BASE, and CONVINCE THEM TO GO AND VOTE, ON [and around] THEIR ELECTION DAY.

          Of flaws, I consider the second one the worst kind. But, as to the LIE part—–it’s becoming wider and wider knowledge now, that Republicans use their phone banks to LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE DATES FOR THEIR PRIMARY (EARLY VOTING) ELECTIONS. This causes many of them to stay home, and is now widely acknowledged by the Republicans, that it’s the ONLY WAY to keep Democrats from voting. Last election, in 2010, the Republicans succeeded in lying to the People of Wisconsin, that “if you voted FOR the recall, you also voted IN the recall, so if you go today (Election Day) your vote won’t count.” It never having occurred to Americans–at least, up until that particular date in time—that they could be lied to, (and so thoroughly), by that particular gang of phone-trolls.

          The only reason THAT chicanery worked, was that it hadn’t been done before. Now, the People are waiting for that, for variations ON that, so the Republicans will have to be completely ORIGINAL in convincing Democrats to stay away from the polls. Their election lists, that target names with political parties, are a great key to doing exactly that. However the NATURE of Republicanism (aka Fascism) is, that originality isn’t as big a virtue to them, as is CONFORMITY.

          If you know that, say, John Mingo of 3321 False Place, belongs to the Republican Party, you can be pretty sure that he voted Republican. The same can’t be said of Sally Dem, of Inconsistency Street, who has been known to change her mind three times in 10 seconds—-a record, even for her almost equally inconsistent family—and, in fact, not even vote at all!

          The Republicans—who have made war on Sally’s kind of person—are COUNTING on this uniquely female trait—to NOT stick with previous plans, on the basis of NEW INFORMATION.

          However, when the NEW INFORMATION is known to be coming from a pack of liars, even SALLY has been known to ignore it—even though her own father and brother and husband, might belong to that pack (of whom liars have taken over the chief positions). Her rationale for these feelings of hers? She LOVES her HUSBAND,—but, (as they have attacked her, her daughters AND THEIR VALUES)— she HATES–not her family, of course—especially, NOT her husband—just, the political party that they belong to (which she now knows, treats them like fools by lying to them at every opportunity)!

          Hopefully, that will not come to pass this time (Elections 2012); for it will not bode well for Sally OR her half of the human race–should the results favor their enemies…the aforementioned “Your vote’s ALREADY been counted” phone-bank, pack of liars.

          • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

            Today’s reporters, on some historical events:

            “Magellan’s ships returned to Spain after sailing a generally westward course “around” the world (according to round-earth partisans). Opponents claimed that, although they had no proof, the ships MUST have turned around at the edge and sailed east. Surveys show 46 percent agree with Magellan, 52 percent with the flat earth partisans, 2 percent undecided.”

            “Conventional wisdom regarding fire is under attack by left wing radicals who claim there is no such thing as phlogiston, which as we all know, leaves burning materials, reducing them to ash. Faked experiments by the radicals claim that the air and fuel weight before burning is the same as the air and ash after burning if the phlogiston is not allowed to escape, proving, according to them, that something they call “oxygen” is taken FROM the air to make things burn. Leading academics have challenged the radicals to make some of this “oxygen” to prove their claims. All they have done is to remove some of the phlogiston from the air, and OF COURSE things burn more easily when the air is not already saturated with phlogiston.”

            Get the idea? As Stephen Colbert said, reality has a liberal bias.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/D24FMB4RRZBOQRAFVCRYJZSF3E Shelley

        I can only tell you this: after herniating a disc at work I was forced to go with wkrs comp. Unable to work, I lost my Blue Cross insurance because I couldn’t pay the COBRA rate. The ONLY medical help I was able to afford was for my injury. Old women need medical care. Thank God Obama knows that. I qualified for the Pre-Existing Condition insurance, because I was unable to afford any kind of insurance and was uncovered for over 8 years. You see, even more than not being able to pay for insurance – no company would consider me because of the pain medication I was on for the injury! After two years off work, I went to work for a new non-profit that could not afford to give me insurance. Thankfully, Obama Care changed that. They are now paying for most of the PCIP insurance I was granted (it is lower than most regular insurance), and I am allowed to live a normal life once again. Can I tell you how many times I feared ailments (like cancer) because I couldn’t afford medical care? I will stand by Obama forever. I feel like he saved my life. I feel like he cares what happens to the people in this country – not just his bank account!

        • http://twitter.com/LostAnarchist S-3

          I would’t stand by someone in politics forever, but then again – as long as you don’t stand by a political unti that wants you dead and your money and possesions taken from you…

      • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

        The reason Obamacare hasn’t hit the issue is because it will not be in effect, and funded, until 2014. A few facets of Obamacare have already been put in place, such as the elimination of the pre-existing condition and caps, as well as some wellness programs, but the core of Obamacare has not been deployed yet.
        The biggest problem with Obamacare is that the President has not articulated its benefits in a way that is understandable and convincing to mainstream America, the people that will benefit the most from it. That left an opening to the special interests that prefer a return to the status quo to demonize Obamacare and portray as something detrimental to the American people and to our business community.

        • thelonegunmanX

          Thanks for the insightful comment, it’s nice to hear a reasonable argument devoid of name calling

        • jvaljon1

          Dominick, do you really think that President Obama has to “woo” us into accepting the Affordable Health Plan? One thing that most Americans like about President Obama, is that he doesn’t treat us like we’re stupid! We’re grown people and we don’t have to be “convinced” that we need a National Health Plan that covers all Americans. We don’t have to be “convinced” about that, because we see the REST of the world has that kind of healthcare, and has thrived on it!

          And we, who used to be FIRST in all great social movements, are stuck in LAST because of 30 years of Republicans. THANKS, FOLKS!

      • http://twitter.com/VicWolf Vic

        Then tell Republicans to take a hike since Obamacare is their shitty plan.

      • DurdyDawg

        Since FDR politicians have dreamed of making socialized medical care better.. Now over 60 years later, Obama tries what others shy from and you say It’s not good enough?..”we need a new plan.”..?? It’s good enough and will be better once the bugs are debated, agreed to and compromised by a congress who works for America. It’s a good start and we have over a year to make it even better with authentic cooperation.

      • Brett Andriesen

        While I agree “Obamacare” is not perfect by any means, it is a very positive step toward improvements. Romney has offered no firm plan whatsoever other than to repeal it, setting us backward. What do you suggest instead?

      • jvaljon1

        Obamacare “hasn’t hit the issue as well as it could” Well, NO plan ever does, lonegunmanX!…Both Medicare AND Medicaid (from the 60s on down through now) underwent long years of revision before what we have now—-which is about to change once more—came into effect. But no one ever ONCE thought about getting “a new plan”.

        What would “…a new plan” mean? It would mean JUNKING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, instead of working on extending it. And once we do that, (this IS the Republicans’ wet dream, of course you know) the American people will NEVER get their healthcare back. Too much “risk” that they’d vote in a plan like, say, the Mexicans have — aka, Universal Healthcare, RIGHT?!!

        But then, being a Republican, you do know that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

        If we had not gotten Obamacare passed as a starting point, your grandchildren would be on Medicare before anyone else could count on insurance. With Obamacare, we can see how much good it does already, and how much more good some tweaking would accomplish. How about this: if you are old enough to work and pay Medicare passes, and you VOLUNTEER to pay double the usual Medicare tax, you can start taking it now, rather than wait till 65. And for a bit more, you can cover your non-working dependents such as stay-at-home spouse, children, invalid relatives.

        It’s not the idea of “giving away” something, it’s the idea of not WORRYING whether you can pay for something to SAVE YOUR LIFE.

    • DurdyDawg

      Not only that but it’s humiliating having to go into an ER without being able to pay.. I’ve needed to go a couple of times but bared it because of the feeling of embarrassment.. Once the poor have actual insurance, they will have one less thing to make them feel like second class citizens. I welcome Obamacare for that reason.

      • jvaljon1

        Great commend, Durdy. Enlarge slightly if you can, hard to read that last part…!

        • Gemma Weirs

          Click on it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bill.crockett.56 Bill Crockett

      Bingo!

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.gillespie.9083 Peter Gillespie

      I live in Australia. Hot sun and the world’s leader in skin cancer. Five times in my long life I have had worries about different spots on my skin. The routine; Go to my GP (general practioner). GP looks at spot on skin. 3 times he has diagonised it as nothing to worry about. (no cost so far). Twice he has referred me to a skin specialist at the largest public hospital. Once they told me the spot in question was nothing to worry about. The other time they diagnoised the spot in question as melanoma and it was operated on the next week. (still no cost BECAUSE I was referred to the skin specialists by my GP).

      How many people without health insurance in the USA would get attention for a suspicious spot on their skin at an Emergence Room in the USA?

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.gillespie.9083 Peter Gillespie

      I live in Australia – hot sun and one of the world’s ‘leaders’ in skin cancer sufferers. Five times in my long life I have had areas of my skin that I was concerned about. The routine: Go to my GP. He looks at the area I was worried about. Three times he said it was nothing. Two times he wasn’t sure and referred me to the skin specialists at the local hospital. Once the specialists assured me the spot was nothing to worry about. The other time they told me it was a melanoma. (These are different spots of course, not the same one). The melanoma was removed the next week. Total cost to me – zero.

      What would an American with no health insurance do in my case? Probably die of skin cancer.

    • jvaljon1

      Unfair but that’s how Republicans have made it, lady…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZBIWKGJLZRDSUYO3Y5WGY4CJPE common sense1

    It’s hard to think about why a country as rich as ours don’t have universal health care. The Republicans say the rest of the western countries have this care and this is the reason they are having money problems. I have never seen anyone that can twist the truth around like the Republicans constantly do. The truth is of course is that our country don’t have it because the rich has controlled our country for so many years that change is non acceptable because it might cost one of their friends a airplane or some other toy. Then as my son claims “this is socialism”, always a scare tactic involved to scare people away from what’s best for them. They probably said something like this when Roosevelt made Social Security a law, which has nothing to do with our money problems.The problems come when they keep taking billions of dollars from the Social Security to buy more weapons(like Romney wants to take billions, that is not even being ask for), or another bridge to nowhere in Alaska so a handful of politicans can rake off most of the money for other things, then of course we have to have wars going on, or policing, our whole planet. The most sickening thing is, take Iraq for example, we have spent billions of dollars rebuilding their country and training their soldiers and theres been more Americans killed(same as Afghanistan) since the wars are over than were killed in the actual wars. I heard Ron Paul speak(though I’m not a Republican) has very similiar feeling about this as Obama does.Instead of taking from the less fortunate to keep the rich’s toys rolling in, how about doing something that makes sense. If you have time check out the enecyclopedia of Social Security, which is on line, to get an idea how long they have been robbing Social Security money to use for everything but what it’s intended for. Obama is one of the first to take the big step to try to turn this into something better. I know, say Obama, and the Republicans and the ones that are already brainwashed won’t go another word, but just try to have an open mind.

    • SibyllasStuff

      Romney doesn’t have a clue – about women, about health care, about creating jobs – in America, that is , and oh, how he panders to those who are afraid someone is going to take what they have.

      Yesterday I saw part of a video about the 1% in this country made by someone who IS one of the 1%. What a bunch of self-centered, egotistical pieces of (*&^^&%$%^ ). But I suppose anyone who has more money than they can spend in one lifetime can afford to be and have whatever they want. They have theirs and the rest of us are on our own.

      What if all the money and energy that has gone in this political campaign went to really do something positive and get rid of those things which Americans have been subjected to and which drive up the costs of medical care.

      For example, the food most Americans eat – Monsanto owns 90% of the soybean seed – more than likely it is Roundup Ready – a GMO (genetically modified organism) crop – which is in 70% of our food – go check out the labels. Soybean oil is quite abundant – as is corn – another genetically modified crop, along with canola and sugar beets. I think the chemical/agri business has also created a GMO wheat, and trees. – yes trees, so we can plant them to allow them to grow in drought and the heavy metals which are being dumped over the skies to geo-engineer the weather.

      Look up at your skies and see how hazy things are these days and the strange cloud formations the high flying unidentified planes spew out as they criss cross the sky and very likely – along with HAARP installations – that try to manipulate the weather ( along with checking out for oil and other natural resources – when Haliburton used it in oil and gas exploration )

      Flouride – which is toxic waste – is also sold as an insecticide, flux for metal working, a wood preserver, and protective coating for metal oh yes also in a lot of toothpaste, where it is listed as poison should a child consume a pea sized amount. Yet it continues to be put in our water. It does NOT prevent tooth decay. What a crock we continue to be fed. Go look it up – yes, online. Your dentist – if you have dental insurance – may affirm this, but they still offer samples of this poison and are often willing to put the stuff on my kids teeth which is now turned their teeth dark – oh yes, so they can now go and have their teeth whitened – another service provided by the dentists and sold by the companies who make the toothpaste with flouride in it. Good grief, Charlie Brown!!

      Flourescent light bulbs contain mercury that which we are supposed to buy to “save energy”, but which offer such a low quality of light that I need to put more lighting around in order to see what I’m doing. What happens when a fire occurs in buildings with lots of flourescent bulbs. The place becomes a hazardous waste site.

      Health care costs rise for a multiplicity of reasons. Doctors recommend more tests than are needed – so they can cover their butts – in case their patients die or get worse. Few doctors know squat about nutrition which is part of why people get sick. An unhealthy body cannot fend off so many assaults – just like plants cannot protect themselves when bombarded with chemicals or try to grow in soil that has been altered by heavy metals.

      Boys and girls. There is much to do to clean up the mess that continues to be plagued upon this once beautiful land. This is nothing new.

    • bartskibeat

      It is bizarre that America does not have universal healthcare. As a Canadian who has lived in both countries, I cannot tell you how many people to whom I had to explain that Canada doesn’t have “socialized medicine”, but rather “socialized medical insurance”, & it works. The first thing they’d say would be that they wanted to be able to choose their own doctor. My Gawd! We do choose our own doctors, like anyone with insurance in America.

      • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

        We did finally get “socialized firefighting” in the big cities, after enough INSURED buildings were burned down by fires that could have been stopped if they had refused to put them out in the UNINSURED buildings. Some small towns and rural counties still have volunteer fire brigades that only put out fires for “subscribers”, and every year or so there is a news story of a non-subscriber’s house being allowed to burn down as the firefighters watch.

        So would the health care be “socialized” if everyone were assured that it would be paid for? Anything wrong with that?

  • elw

    The sad thing about Mitt’s claim is the large number of alive people who actually believe him. His remark is so ignorant and unrealistic I would suggest he talk about anything but health care. Most independent voters are pretty smart, they know a sales pitch when they hear it.

  • ski3938

    When Ryan talked about the 47% he just plain lied. He said sometime you
    say things wrong. But that is not what happened, after the statement
    Romney was interviewed I think maybe at least 3 times where I heard him
    say he was correct in his statement but could have said it in a better
    way. (He actually reiterated his original opinion) After the 3 or 4th
    interview he then went on Hannity and did lie when he said I was
    completely wrong, knowing Hannity would never say to him than why did you
    not say that right away.

    In my opinion by the 47 % statement Romney disqualified himself from ever
    being elected. Without even talking about any other points

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

      After viewing that video, it is apparent that what Romney said was not a misstatement, but EXACTLY what he meant to say. He is not about to make a simple syntax error in front of an audience of $50,000/plate donors. What he said was well thought out, well written, and well rehearsed, albeit morally wrong – shame on him AND on the people who listened to him.

      • onedonewong

        Your right it isn’t a misstatement because he is 100% CORRECT

        • highpckts

          Well then onedonewrong, coming from one of the 47 percenters, you can shove it!!

          • faster

            @highpckts: While I might not use your vivid terminology, I have to agree with you entirely.

            I worked hard all my life. Had spinal surgery and became disabled before I had a chance to save for retirement. What I DID get was the knowledge that I was now totally uninsurable – at ANY price. I can’t even use my Medicare, because I have to have supplementary insurance that nobody will ever let me have. Most hospitals would turn me away unless it was a dire emergency.

            Fortunately, I got Social Security Disability, without which I would have DIED. I now live, humbly and frugally, but comfortably in Mexico. Mexico has universal health care. I’ve used it – 9 days in the hospital with pneumonia. It was bare bones, no frills, but thorough, competent and everyone treated me like I was family. I left with handsful of prescription medication that was all included in my IMSS coverage. I didn’t have to sign away my firstborn to get out of the hospital, either. I just left.

            Multitudes of Americans hate Mexico and Mexicans, yet THEY took better care of me than my own homeland’s medical system did. What does that say, if not that our whole system of medical care is broken? Obamacare is only the base – it has many compromises due to Republicans – but at least we DO have the base now. It can be improved on now.

            People who would call me someone who won’t take responsibility for my life are MAGGOTS. Full of hate.

            Republicans believe that “some people are ‘more equal’ than others.” I think this is one of the main roots of their contempt for half of our citizens. Today’s GOP is so riddled with hate and greed that it shames the meaning of “America.”

            Kick the bums OUT!

          • jvaljon1

            Well, faster, if you watched the debate at all, you know how right you are. Romney gave two declarative sentences that settled Obamacare in his mind—-“The first thing I’m gonna do—-is to repeal Obamacare.” (Looking at Obama:) “That’s right, I’m gonna repeal it.”

            He’s going for the “what’s-the-use” non-vote. That’s the people who think that, no matter the preparations, or even if something already exists—that cash money in one man’s hand is such that it can ERASE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO SOMETHING THAT (at the very very LEAST)—80% (Pew just the other day) KNOW THAT THEY NEED AND THAT THEY WANT. The non-vote that agrees that Capital Is King and People Are Garbage. Hopefully that non-voter, has learned something, from watching these debates or at the very least listening to them:

            That, (for once), Romney’s FINALLY telling the truth…! No more ‘keeping the kids on your insurance until they’re 25-6 years old’.

            No more putting aside money until you have $147.00 for the mandate that, let’s face it, the drugsters insisted on!

            Just—let ‘em die…! FORGET GRANDMA— now, ROMNEY’S TALKING about our KIDS! Make as little as ONE DOLLAR OVER POVERTY LIMIT and NONE OF YOU ARE COVERED!

            If that’s what you want, then do stay home this Election Week. (Oh by the way, the Supreme Court has struck down every Voter ID “law” that Republicans tried to pass, all across the land.) NO WONDER that Republicans want to ‘eliminate taxes’! What they WANT to do….what they INTEND to do, if Mr/Mrs. Non-Voter doesn’t go vote—is to vote the progressive (you pay according to how much you earn over poverty-level basis) income tax, OUT. There goes the government. Out the window, just like that. And government PROGRAMS? Out too, just that fast (Think Romm-Non-Care).

            Or better still, think about how The Flip-Flopper opens his mouth —both in OR out of debates—-is, so he can ‘fuhgeddabout it’ later on. (By denying that he ever said it, while clips of him saying it play on the screen right behind his head–yeah, the media’s getting a wee bit tired of all the Romnesia, as well.)

            Now, though, you can develop your new Reflex #1: duck when the Rom’s mouth opens, cause you know what’s gonna be coming on down, out of it, in your direction!!!

            Or, Reflex #2: Romney on-screen—-umbrellas UP! That way, the $#it won’t hit you directly, as it spews forth from your TV!)

          • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

            Remember the rich guy’s remark in the movie “Titanic?” When told that there only enough lifeboats for half the people, he said that the ‘”BETTER HALF” would get them!

          • Robert Childers

            I am not one of the 47%. I had health insurance for over 40 years before I collected more in benefits than premiums. I just had two heart stents put in. The bills that have been submitted to my insurance are closing in on $100,000. They will pay about 20% of that. I will pay about 5%.

            If I change insurance now, I would have riders not covering heart issues unless the law prohibits it. I will work another 4-1/2 years before retiring at 66 and become eligible for Medicare. I have paid around $500,000 in federal income taxes so far and am nearing $400,000 in social security and medicare taxes (employer + employee contributions). I have also paid in around $400,000 in health insurance premiums.

            Everyone was happy when I was paying in. Now that it is time to collect, they won’t be so happy.

        • http://www.facebook.com/sandy.radcliffe.31 Sandy Radcliffe

          I for one can tell you this Jack A$$ does not know what he is talking about!!! When you go to the Emergency Room for a Heart Attack they can treat you there for the MOMENT, if you do not have insurance you cannot afford the Heart Medication (which most of them are over $10.00 per pill)
          AND you do not have access to a doctor to provide more medication if you still are not well or have more issues. There is a list I can go on and on, this is what is wrong with you rich/unknowing people you NEED to be put in our situations for a while until you wake up and see what REAL LIFE is about and become one of the 47% at some point!!

          • jvaljon1

            Do you really want THESE people, to corrupt US? The only way to ever beat them, is to keep refuting them, AND BRING PROOF?! (Like in that ‘47%’ conversation) Me? I want the so-called “super-rich” to start paying THEIR OWN TAXES, and get their hands OUT OF MY POCKETS!

            At the very least, I don’t want to look at NeoCON ads—admire the lighting/length/professionality of it all—AND KNOW THAT I’M THE ONE WHO PAID FOR IT!

            Kind of like buying a set of new teeth, for the shark that’s about to bite you. Yeah, yeah, to mix a metaphor, OK?!

        • http://www.facebook.com/priscilla.kelley.5 Priscilla Kelley

          That is “you’re,” not “your.” I can tell a great deal about you and your opinion just from that error.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z5OBKYKOQ7UOSPZNZVR63ZVI5Q ruggster

            No Priscilla, he was right. Funny that you incorrectly corrected him then pointed out his error as a measure of his intelligence. It suggests to me that as one of those left wing nutcases out there that believes she knows whats best for the rest of us, you wouldn’t know the difference between fact or fiction. Keep listening to the fiction that the media is feeding you and you’ll never know the truth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

            Hear what this left wing nutcase said:
            Matthew 25.

        • http://www.facebook.com/priscilla.kelley.5 Priscilla Kelley

          Yes, in South CArolina, one gentlemen wrote to The State newspaper that he went to school on a GI bill, bought his home with a VA loan, and was now on Medicare and Social Security. He guessed that he must be one of the 47%! I went to school on a loan for teachers, half of which was cancelled because I agreed to teach for a certain number of years. Will you call me one of the 47? I think you will — if I am voting for a Democrat! Yes, let’s get the people off food stamps and welfare, but let’s not even be informed abou the CEO who walked away from Wall Street, World Com, EnRon, and so on with their millions!

          • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

            And how many people have had a house fire put out by socialized, taxpayer-funded firemen? And not paid the extinguishing bill? Oh wait, there is no bill! Fire departments are socialist!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/BONLWL2635NABXH54P4USZBEOU Stephen Lonefeather

          Gee, onedonewong, Remember, every American is just as important as you. Seems the comments you make supports a selective America, just like Romney. THAT IS ANTI-AMERICAN.

          • onedonewong

            Sorry I pay taxes something you and your ilk have never done

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/DPY5ADXTDUGABOL7TPUJQEP5YE JOAQUIM

          You should be ashamed of yourself. What about the veterans who fought to save your stincking ass? and the retired citizens who worked a lifetime to support the likes of you?

          • govnosepicker

            See that’s the difference between me and you I pay taxes while you live off me and others with your welfare checks and food stamps. I’ve never met a vet or a older person who thinks that sending you a check isn’t a waste of good $$$$

          • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

            People on food stamps almost always do not want food stamps. If the minimum wage (note that most of these people are WORKING, some of them two jobs) had kept pace with overall productivity, it would be $22 per hour. Other working people’s wages would be proportionately higher, and CEO’s (who may put in 4 hours a week “working”) not quite as high, so there would be fewer people on food stamps. And there is no such thing as a “welfare check” any more, only subsidies to buy necessities.

            And you have obviously never made the personal acquaintance (for more than the 30 seconds it takes to say “Ugh! Get away from me!”) of anyone who ever had to DEAL with poverty. And neither have the vets or older people you have met. Those vets and retirees were fortunate in their younger years and cannot have compassion on those with less good fortune. And they consider that keeping some people alive is a waste of money.

            What does Comrade Jesus say? Matthew 25:41-46.

        • http://www.facebook.com/regan.flint.3 Regan Flint

          on what planet?…lol…

          • onedonewong

            They died due to an illness, people die EVERY Day. It has absolutely nothing to do about being isured

          • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

            Formerly healthy people who get an illness that NO ONE KNOWS how to treat, and die from it: tragedy.

            Formerly healthy people who get an illness that has A TREATMENT WITH AN ALMOST 100 PERCENT SUCCESS RATE, and die from it because THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO GET THE TREATMENT: criminal.

          • onedonewong

            It may happen in the EU China or Russia but it nevers happens in this country

          • MadSat

            That is not true. You sir, are either sadly misinformed or you are a paid troll and liar. I suspect the latter. I PERSONALLY have known people who died for lack of medical care. I PERSONALLY know and can show you people suffering needlessly for lack of simple medicine and being unable to afford basic care. This is in the USA, in Kentucky and Tennessee. That our bought and paid for corporate media insists on ignoring reality and presenting “equal time” for claims they KNOW are lies is disgusting, but that’s the media we have.

          • mandinka

            There is a huge difference between being denied medical care and your contention that was the cause. No person who shows up at a US hospital can be denied help. That’s the law.
            Regarding drugs that’s a personal choice and your ability to prioritize your spending. It’s amazing the folks who would claim can’t afford drugs all have cell phones and cable TV

          • MadSat

            About three years ago, I was buying wood for a campsite in the Smokey Mountains near Dollywood. The lady who sold me the wood was limping badly. I asked her what was wrong. She pulled up her long dress and showed me the calf of her leg, there was a twisted hole in it that I could have put at least half my fist into – and I’m not a small person. She had been bitten by a brown recluse spider, and had neither money to travel to the hospital nor money to pay the local doctor. So she laid down and waited to see if necrosis would kill her or not.
            About 30 years ago, my father went to visit a local small farmer about renting a small piece of his bottom land near a creek. He found the man crawling across his yard, unable to stand up. He refused to be taken to a doctor or hospital, he said he didn’t have the money for such things and it was only his stomach that was hurting badly. He crawled up the steps and lay on his porch. My father returned early the next day and we found him out cold on his floor. We took him to the local hospital, where he was diagnosed with stomach cancer. It had eaten through his stomach wall, and he died of hydrochloric acid from the stomach dissolving his intestines to the point that he bled to death internally.
            You want more personal examples of my own experience, I got more. You sorry souless things that live in a city and boast of how “nobody gets turned away” forget the areas where fools vote for you knowing they are 3 hours from a hospital that “must not turn you away”. Or do you live in fantasy land where people teleport around by star trek mechanisms?
            Or maybe you are just happy the non producers are condemned to painful death?

          • mandinka

            Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Some how illegals from all over the world come to this country to have their kids because they know it will be free as well as other ailments.
            So if an illegal that can’t speak English can figure out how to milk the system then a native born should be able as well

          • MadSat

            Again, untrue. They come here to have children to make the kids US citizens – as our law mandates. It’s much cheaper in almost any other country in the world to have ANY medical care done. And I know that for a fact.

          • mandinka

            It may be cheaper but its not FREEEEEE like here in the USA and I know that for a fact

          • bob bray

            only one hospital in Atlanta, Ga. that takes walk-in,might have a 24 hour wait. people die in grady e-room once a week or so. the VA hospital has an e-room yet a call to them a recording says go else where for treatment.

        • http://twitter.com/eddieVroom eddieVroom

          Too bad the Conspiracy is real and we tanked your last chance for salvation on 12/21 by stealing the election for Obama.

          We *are* Legion. ;-)

          • onedonewong

            Just think what will happen to the dem’s base if barak agrees to raise taxes and the 47% who don’t have to start there will be a riot

    • http://www.facebook.com/bill.crockett.56 Bill Crockett

      Very good point. To me it’s very simple — I can’t vote for someone I can’t go to church with or see the last five years tax returns. I’d vote for Hitler first – at least I’d know what I was getting.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bill.crockett.56 Bill Crockett

      Well said!

      • http://www.facebook.com/ben.zelazny Ben Zelazny

        Bill – America is a secular country. Many of our presidents have had differeing religions and denominations before.

        The fore fathers were specific when they said that state and church are and should remain separate – as did Reagan.

        Its the freaks in the Bush family that brought religion into poiltics over the last years, not to mention the bush family ties with Nazi Germany.

        • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

          I voted for Obama, but it had nothing to do with Romney reading the Book of Mormon. It has to do with his allegiance to the Book of Mammon.

    • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.rutledge.90 Nancy Rutledge

      I believe you are exactly right. The truth comes out when you make a speech and are not aware that it is being recorded. Gov. Romney is going to do everything he can to protect the rich, and the middle class/poor can suffer for it. If anyone thinks he cares about that “47%”, they are fooling themselves. Ryan is just as bad. When in Congress he didn’t work on job creation, he worked on how to cut medicaid, medicare, etc., anything that hurts the poorest in our society. No wonder the Catholic Bishops came out the first week he was nominated as the VP candidate, the strongly said his polices do not reflect the Catholic teachings. They believe as Jesus did working with the poor, sick, whores, the down and out, etc.–there are no stories with him associating with the wealthy.

    • chattenx

      Roney is a cold blooded prevaricator. You can’t expect much from him in terms of c compassion for people of lesser means.Take for example former president George whose party Romney heads. He’s somewhere in the Cayman Islands making more money rather than showing up at Romney’s failing campaign. Romney must bear Bush on his shoulders and that ought to make him loose. Go Back to business
      and and leave the government to Pres. Barack obama.

    • Kevin Sweeney

      SOUDS LIKE YOU ARE ONE OF THE 47%

  • wpial

    I dont like Obama robbing medicare for his plan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

      The $716B in MEDICARE savings involve better control over what service providers and insurance companies can charge to MEDICARE. If you are a senior, take a look at the papers we get when we have a medical procedure or lab work. The amounts doctors, hospital and labs have been charging to MEDICARE are outrageous and, often, border on fraud. You may also want to look at what has happened the last couple of years, in my case my RX copays went down and there are several wellness screenings that are now offered free of charge (obviously we continue to pay MEDICARE fees so they are actually far from free, but we no longer have out of pocket expenses).
      Obamacare offers a number of benefits to seniors that we do not have at the present time and, most importantly, the donut hole will be no more. The latter is a huge benefit for seniors with serious and expensive medical conditions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    While it is true that Americans suffering from a serious ailment can get free medical care in Emergency Rooms, what Romney does not understand is that, in addition to that costly Republican socialist practice, ER medical care does not include preventive medicine. Getting care in an ER AFTER you have a heart attack or have stage III cancer will, most likely, not save your life. By then it is more often than not too late.
    I find it fascinating to hear the architect of Romneycare, the blueprint for Obamacare, insinuate that preventive medicine is not necessary and endorse a continuance of the freebies in ERs that contribute to our escalating healthcare costs and represent a huge burden on our hospitals, and the government since it reimburses the service provider for some of the costs they incurred.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

      One part of Obamacare requires best practices, which will refuse to pay hospitals that repeatedly readmit patients for the same problem. As Obama said about the Cleveland Clinic, put your best doctors together to figure out what the REAL problem is, then come up with a solution that minimizes return visits. Don’t have one doctor look at a complex set of issues, throw a dozen expensive tests at (to cover yourself from malpractice) and then hope you get it right.

  • deannasser

    Obamacare was not intended to be a finished product. The slightly extremist stance expressed in it was intended to be negotiated away. The Repubs, to everyone’s surprise, through Boehner-esque tactics tried to sink the whole thing and refused to negotiate. It will ultimately be toned down through the political process when the Republican end of the negotiation gets reasonable.

  • alumahead

    Man, that dude has some serious issues with reality.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/72SM42KQ27D4LSFYSMIW57UEGE Seek Meet

    With rare exceptions every time we have a democrat as president we go from bad to worse. Here we have Obamacare that is a collosal cluster fcuk that we get to pay for and suffer through whether we care for it or not. And, what is the concern? That Roe v Wade will get overturned… ok, where is the court case that is supposed to cause this to happen… oops… that’s small matter apparently is slipping out through the gloom and doom from the demogods’ BS. Let’s wake up and vote the bums out of office and get the crap that really matters resolved: WORKING so we have money to play with on weekends

    • WhutHeSaid

      Then you must support the Democrats, who have by far the best record at job creation, your whoppers notwithstanding.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PNDAABOQFWP2WCSVHX4ILBNO54 Edward

      wow where do you get your misinformation? there are all kinds of info and 50 years of records you cannot change history like that.
      Democratic presidents have consistently higher economic growth and consistently lower unemployment than Republican presidents. If you add in a time lag, you get the same result. If you eliminate the best and worst presidents, you get the same result. If you take a look at other economic indicators, you get the same result. There’s just no way around it: Democratic administrations are better for the economy than Republican administrations.

      Skeptics offer two arguments: first, that presidents don’t control the economy; second, that there are too few data points to draw any firm conclusions. Neither argument is convincing. It’s true that presidents don’t control the economy, but they do influence it — as everyone tacitly acknowledges by fighting like crazed banshees over every facet of fiscal policy ever offered up by a president.

      The second argument doesn’t hold water either. The dataset that delivers these results now covers more than 50 years, 10 administrations, and half a dozen different measures. That’s a fair amount of data, and the results are awesomely consistent: Democrats do better no matter what you measure, how you measure it, or how you fiddle with the data.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Shut up seek, we are talking about people’s lives, not some bullshit crap about the economy not improving. We know the economy is better than 4 years ago so stop talking crap.
      We have a need for universal health insurance and care and Obama has been successful in getting something passed that leads to that very goal. Get sick, seek and then tell us all about how you are more worthy of health care than anyone less fortunate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathan-Morris/100003022817872 Nathan Morris

      It is simply not true to say that things get worse under Democrat presidents. The only time the national debt was reduced to near zero was when a Democrat, Andrew Jackson, was president. Bill Clinton led the country toward prosperity and freedom from debt but the surpluses he gave us were turned into a huge deficit as soon as the Republicans took over.

  • howa4x

    Romney is trying to appease his base by not going too far on his endorsement of the ACA. He knows all the facts and is a data driven person, but his base if made up of knuckelheads and they are so used to voting against themselves they don’t want to try and understand what healthcare reform really is.They buy the crap that its is a socialist takeover of healthcare even though it only says buy insurance from private companies. Then they call the mandate tyranny , but don’t protest when the state mandates that they buy car insurance or Banks mandate homeowners ins.
    The funny thing is that Romney won’t change much of it when he gets in since he knows all the problems in healthcare already. Other than a single payer system this is the only way to keep the system in capitalism, and the entire concept was thought up by the heritage foundation, a Republican think tank. If I was a conservative right now I would be nervous. Mitt is turning to the center where he is very comfortable. He even back tracked on Abortion saying that he just wouldn’t fund it rather than the eariler statements of he would repeal Roe. Romney is playing the conservatives by keeping them at bay with Ryan. He is not appealing to them anymore, and moved away. This is why he looks more comfortable on the trail. This is really where the magic underwear comes in. Mitt has said so many different things over the years that no one can really say what he will do as president. He ‘s been on the left, center and right of many issues. It is the conservatives that are being the biggest fools if they really believe that Mitt has any convictions other than rewarding his friends on Wall st. It is the racism that is driving the conservatives now, but it’s blinding them to who they are really supporting.

    • ChowT

      Mitt Romney is a conman.

    • Justin Napolitano

      And I would trust Romney?

      • howa4x

        I wouldn’t trust him at all. Just wondering why the red meat conservatives are still behind him. He has more positions than the Kama sutra.

  • perplejado

    Romney’s argument has a major flaw. It is true that hospitals must treat individuals who arrive at an emergency room, but their only obligation is to stabilize them until they can be moved to a facility that has to accept them. The problem is that all these uninsured individuals drive up the costs for the rest of us, because their bills will be covered by county indigency funds, higher care costs for those of us who have insurance, or will be written off in bankruptcy, which also pushes the cost on to every one else. In other words, theses medical costs are socialized in the most inefficient and costly way possible, not to mention the fact that after treatment at an emergency room follow up care is spotty at best, thus leading to additional emergency room visits. Someone, such as Romney, who claims to be such a great business analyst, should recognize the gross inefficiencies of such a system and that it needs to be fixed.

  • ChowT

    There is no flaw. With the magic underwear Mitt Romney can promise heaven.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/D24FMB4RRZBOQRAFVCRYJZSF3E Shelley

    Health insurance vs emergency room? He must have great coverage and not give a care about the rest of us? Let me tell you about a 98 yr. old Aunt that fell and was taken to the emergency room. She laid on a gurney for 5 hours – while uninsured individuals with a cold, flu, cut and arthritis – all there when she arrived – got ‘taken care of’. 5 hours people! That is the emergency room of today.
    That is what Romney wants us to continue to suffer? What a guy. Freakin’ guy!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Theresa-Darklady-Reed/581698361 Theresa ‘Darklady’ Reed

      I find it a little difficult to believe that your aunt was kept on a gurney exclusively due to uninsured people coming in for the sniffles.

      I’m insured now (through my state) but will lose it once I start making much more money. Still won’t be able to afford medical insurance on my own, unfortunately, but my point is that I went into an ER in August because I thought I was having a stroke. After initial intake, which happened pretty darn fast, I sat for 3 hours in the waiting room and then another hour or so waiting for an actual doctor to see me.

      I didn’t see any uninsured people being treated for sniffles ahead of me, but I did see an uninsured woman with fibroids writhing in agony and crying while staff did nothing for her except tell her to keep waiting…

      FWIW — one of my ex’s worked in a hospital in N. California. He said all of the uninsured migrant workers who went to the ER pooled their money so they could pay the bill. Damn communists, huh?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dmcrane1 Donna M Crane

    ERs are only required to stabilize you, not cure or continue to give you care. If you have an ongoing problem, diabetes, cancer, you are out of luck.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GCXB2EABXANRR2IK7QHS3TAPOU ROBERT C HASTINGS

    The fallacy both Romney and Bush expose is that, without insurance, those folks who handle their medical needs by going to the emergency room are driving up the costs of coverage for all of us, because whatever care THEY get, WE pay for, through higher medical costs and higher insurance rates. During the 2000 election cycle, the 45,000 number was being bandied about, especially in reference to the number of people in this country who die from treatable conditions due to the lack of insurance. Of equal importance is the fact that hundreds of thousands of families every year must declare bankruptcy because of their inability to meet medical expenses, many of those even WITH insurance. Romney and Ryan neither have a clue as to what the needs of the average person are, nor do they understand what their religions require of them with regard to those who are less fortunate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Theresa-Darklady-Reed/581698361 Theresa ‘Darklady’ Reed

    I had a young friend die during the Bush years. She was uninsured and, while helping clean out a friend’s garage, was bitten by a Brown Recluse spider.

    When she went to the ER… they gave her Motrin and sent her home.

    She was back in the ER a while later, as a passenger in a fender bender. She wasn’t really harmed by the accident, but when the ER staff gave her an X-ray, they found that her respiratory system had been entirely taken over by the spider’s venom.

    Her biggest fears were spiders, being on life support, and dying in a hospital.

    I’m told the staff sobbed when she passed away after being on life support. Her mother got a huge settlement, so maybe Romney’s right. My friend didn’t die at home; she died in a hospital because she didn’t have insurance. This, in turn, cost the tax payers MUCH more money and lost the country a good person and hard worker.

    But her mom made money off of it, so it’s all good in Romney world, right?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3WRUQSMU4M3LKIB45RMVXO7KXY Dawn

      I would have to say your claim is false, while a brown recluse spider bite is bad, it doesn’t shut down your respiratory system. It will cause a sore that is very serious. How many doctors do you think will retire because of Obama care, a lot!! Do you know Obama care is starting to fine hospitals if patients get readmitted!! Do you know how many people show up to the ER because they have had too much to drink or have run out of pain medication?? Do you think many hospitals can survive all these fines. Try working in the health care field under an Obama administration, I can assure you in four more years there will not be many of us left.

      • jvaljon1

        Dawn? What a nice name for a CLASS I LIAR! “I can assure you in four more years there will not be many of us left.” In your case, that’d be a tremendous improvement—-in fact, if there are ANY of you complete and utter LIARS still working in our hospitals—THE SOONER, THE BETTER!

  • El Infidel

    Obama has destroyed employment opprtunities causing millions to lose employer provided health insurance and millions more cannot afford their health insurance because of the new rules imposed by Obama care which has increased insuranse costs on average by $3000 anually per person with another estimated $2300 per year due next year.
    Obama is killing Americans at home with his economic policies abroad with a nonsensical foreign policy inspired by his hatred for America.

    • ExPAVIC

      Careful

      Watch what you hope for Pedro.

      If RoMoney-Ryan is elected, you could find yourself with a free one-way ticket back to banana land. Maybe they will give you a free taco for the trip.

      • El Infidel

        What does your nonsensical post have to do with my post?
        How would enforcing immigration laws affect either a legal immigrant or an American citizen. OBAMA’S economic policies have cause the exfiltration of millions of illegal aliens who now find more opportunities in third world economies.

        • ExPAVIC

          Get Serious

          Better in San Salvador, Honduras, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Panama, and Mexico? Go baby go, Ole.

        • Justin Napolitano

          El, it is apparent that you are a paid poster. We have to find a way to get rid of you people because you add nothing to the discussion.
          But, as to your argument, why don’t you follow these people and go to a land of more opportunity.

      • El Infidel

        I see you are a racist X. No surprise, that is typical Democrat behavior.

    • Justin Napolitano

      And you are killing me with your specious arguments. If Obamacare goes away then business will still not hire. A business is either growing and hires or is shrinking and not hiring. Health care is not the deciding factor. If I need more people I will hire them because I make money on the labor of each person that works for me. I don’t keep people on the payroll just for fun, I make money on their labor. Health care, like payroll taxes, is just the cost of having workers and making money.
      Health care costs have been out of control for many years, Obamacare is an attempt to contain those costs and provide an alternative to extremely expensive emergency room care as a primary means of service.

      • El Infidel

        Why do we have more than 14% U6 unemployment after nearly 4 years of Obamunism? Oh by the way with California reporting even the U3 unemployment is over 8%.
        So you are and employer and you are hiring now?
        Are corporate taxes a cost of doing business? If so, who ultimately pays them.
        In a competetive environment do payroll taxes increase the price of your goods or services, or do they reduce the amount available for wages?
        I assume your business is unaffected by regulation.

      • El Infidel

        Apparently all Democrats are uncomfortable with the Bill of Rights.
        You are also short on arguments in favor of Obamunism so you simply opt for censorship or gratutous name calling.
        Why do you hate Black People?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joan-Maurer/100000910841619 Joan Maurer

    Governor Romney is well versed in health care. He is doing what he has always done, deny inconvient truths

    Mr Romney is a salesman , he is a great salesman, but that is all he is. He is not qualified or fit to be the leader of this country.

  • hilbuk

    “No, you go to the hospital, you get treated, you get care, and it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or by the hospital. We don’t have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don’t have insurance.”

    Wow, that is fucked up. First of all, as the study says, people do die. Maybe not from an obviously emergency situation with a quick fix…but there are people who will die if some procedure isn’t done within the month and when it doesn’t get done…yup they die.

    Second, wtf to: “it’s paid for, either by charity, the government or the hospital.” Lets say that’s true. Lets say it does get paid for. Why the fuck do these people have to pay for it? Why do doctors have to do all of this pro bono work because someone is dying? (And no, of course no doctor would just not treat someone who is dying…so they do end up paying for it.) How can the hospital afford to take on all of those costs if no one is paying? It’s really pissy to have the attitude “I’m not going to pay for insurance, but when I’m dying someone will save me because it would be weird if they don’t, and it will be on their dime.” HELL no. Everyone needs insurance. Everyone. So if someone can’t afford it then we need to have an official mechanism for them to have that insurance anyway, paid for by the government. Even if that means raising taxes for rich people.

  • atc333

    Dear Mitt,

    I suggest you try coming down with a long term cancer issue, and see if you can check into a hospital without insurance. Guess what. they stabilize you, then toss you out the door. No treatment for that issue, Heaven help the woman with treatable breast cancer. One diagnosis later, she is told to see her health care provider.
    I know, I am watching a good friend with this same issue. Treat and discharge.

    He and I know the end result is coming, and it will not be pretty, or easy on him.

    But then he is part of the 47%, for whom 47% Mitt has no use.. He is no better than Marie Antoinette: “Let them eat cake”

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3WRUQSMU4M3LKIB45RMVXO7KXY Dawn

      I think not, every day I take care of people without insurance, if you actually worked in a hospital you would know it is true. The case manager signs most people up for benefits to help ease the cost or payment plans are worked out or the hospital eats the cost. You guys really want a health care system like Canada, where you have to wait 6 months for any kind of specialty? Seriously….I can tell you there will be a major doctor shortage if Obama care goes through, sixty percent of physicians oppose it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/wilhelmina.luyten Wilhelmina Luyten

        I am Canadian. When I needed a hip replacement I had to wait 3 weeks for surgery. My husband had a perforated ulcer, while on vacation in Florida. Thank god, we had insurance. 4 Days after surgery he was flown back to Canada, by special medical flight. He ended up in hospital for 3 1/2 month. Kidney failure, water on the lungs and several other problems. The only co=payment we had was 60 dollars for the ambulance. How much would all that have cost in U.S.? Yes we do have waiting periods for some non-life threatening surgeries. but we take the good with the bad.

        • jvaljon1

          We should be so lucky, down here. We would get AT LEAST a $1,000,000.00 BILL FROM OUR INSURER, to ‘COVER’ what they’d pay the hospital and doctor for similar procedures as what you describe. The Canadian flight alone, I don’t even want to THINK what the insurer would have charged you for that—probably enough to buy their own CEO’s family, their OWN small plane!

          But lack of Universal HealthCare absolutely DOES kill, and it does so every day. What no one ever seems to report on, are the number of people who need simple procedures which would extend their lives—or even cure them, in the case of breast cancer surgery—but the hospital won’t even LOOK at you unless you pay THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in (what the rest of us, call) pump-priming fees, without which you have no hope of ever getting admitted. This kills people mostly in the Middle Class—the Registered Poor (what I call people on Medicaid) have all the help in the world. The wealthy of course, get deep discounts and sometimes don’t pay at all.

          Lack of Universal HealthCare pretty much only kills the Middle Class. If people (in this country) don’t believe their opposition; they should read the STATISTICS. Oops—many of them believe that the STATISTICS WHICH GUIDE OTHER COUNTRIES’ HEALTHCARE—are RIGGED!

          Anything, to hold onto the lies that they’ve been told. Sad….

    • jvaljon1

      I am so very sorry to learn of your friend’s (non)-diagnosis. But, ever since the Republicans came and took over healthcare (’80s): “treat ‘em and street ‘em” has been the mantra in every ER that I’ve ever seen.

      I had a cancer diagnosis (plus being also diagnosed as diabetic), in the late 80s. I now take multiple grams of Vit. C (26 1ooo-mg [aka, 1-gram] capsules) each night—and neither the cancer NOR my former diabetes, have returned.

      Each person utilizes C differently, according to what they’ve had. My only solution to what happens if your dose of C doesn’t work—relatable by the symptoms –is, to increase that dosage. In the case of cancer, you DOUBLE the dosage, until your verifiable symptoms leave. Then you KEEP them there—until your symptoms return. Someday, they will.

      I was diagnosed as a diabetic, at age 32. I first got cancer in my late 40s. I’m (so far) into my mid-70s and healthy, except I have to take a lot of meds (C’s, B’s, B-12’s) to stay that way. If I die tomorrow, I can’t complain—I’ve lived long enough to be what I never was when I was younger—tremendously happy. This is due of course to my incredible, wonderful husband (NOW I understand the ‘over-the-top’ stuff that I’ve heard people say describing their mates, on shows like “Wheel Of Fortune”, LOL!)

  • http://www.facebook.com/pete.lamb.549 Pete Lamb

    MY wife seriously broke her leg in Tennessee, compound fracture. She had no insurance they dressed the wound gave her some aspirin and told her to get it fixed within three day otherwise it would probably mean amputation. Back in Michigan she went to eight hospitals and they all refused to treat her. Detroit Receiving finally set her leg four days after it was broken

  • http://www.facebook.com/garland.wright1 Garland Wright

    Just another retarded remark by a Republican

  • onedonewong

    As usual Romney was right and the Left wing nuts tie themselves up in knots trying to prove a point that is fact wrong. That’s why Romney is winning people are fed up with the state run media

    • http://twitter.com/MewMew34 Mew Mew

      What planet do you live on? You honestly think he’s right and the “left wing nuts” are making crap up? People like you are why I have long since lost faith in humanity. That level of stupid should not be allowed to exist.

  • Brian Luciano

    he meant that statement with ‘people who matter>… always criticizing him.. and misquoting.. that poor guy.. and poor anne.. don’t you know how hard they have it??

    • http://www.facebook.com/bill.crockett.56 Bill Crockett

      Yeah – poor things – good they have that horse for her physical therapy. What on earth would they do without it.

  • http://twitter.com/groggygirl85 Michelle

    How is this guy even running for office from his ivory tower?? I am currently dying from cancer because I have no health insurance. No quick trips to the ER for me.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXUFSMTKTK3UCL3ZFPJPONXAVM mac macey

    Saying that 26000 people didn’t die is like saying Mitt doesn’t lie.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1454840763 Laurel Durgee Gyes

    he is assuming that if you don’t have insurance you are not billed for those services that those services do not ruin your credit or put you in to a deeper hole that you will never be able to climb out of yes of course you can go to an ER but the bills pile up and pile up and pile up you can call an ambulance but the bills just keep on coming he has no idea….

  • atc333

    Go into an ER room with operable cancer, and watch what happens. You will not be admitted and treated for the cancer. You will be treated for the symptoms that you are experiencing, nothing more. That is” 47% Mitts” health care plan for America after Obamacare is repealed. There is not intention to replace it with anything.
    This is the Romney plan for America. Do nothing to reduce our medical care costs, which are twice to four times as much as any Western Industrialized nation.

    GOP = No solutions, no answers, just empty promises.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Onofre-J-Escobar-Rivera/100000299746833 Onofre J. Escobar Rivera

    That is why we have to continue spreading the good news to those fully uninformed Republicans, fully uninformed independents, and some uninformed democrats, here are the numbers: 1) Obama even with a bad economy he inherited has actually reduced the national deficit in the sum of 200 billion dollars. It means we are in the right direction. The people who say that we have not improved in the last four years are totally lost.

  • Jonnyxo

    I admit, I am not an American… and frankly, I would never want to be one… but if I was, I would work hand and tooth to keep the neanderthal republicans out of office. These people seriously affect how the rest of the world views your country as they come across like double talking, used car salesmen saying whatever it takes to get the sale (elected)

    Thankfully I have universal health care in my country… it’s not a four letter word, just a rational and compassionate response to all citizens. Thankfully we don’t have a trillion dollar budget deficit … Thankfully we don’t have neanderthals wanting to carry their guns around the streets as their “right” to be able to shoot someone. Thankfully we have one of the highest standards of living around.

    Americans… wake up. Your nation is quickly being sidelined economically, politically, and historically… you are the frog in the kettle.

  • f4xtrafn

    An old saying comes to mind. If you don’t have your health, you have nothing. As anyone, even a millionaire, what would you prefer: keep your wealth and have terminal cancer or lose your wealth and be healthy. If you’re healthy, you can always make your money back. There are hundreds of life saving treatments that the emergency room will not treat and you will in fact be sent home to die, including children. One of the biggest fear people have and in fact should have is not the loss of a job – but the loss of health insurance. One accident, one illness and everything you have worked for in your life can be gone. That alone is enough for me to vote Obama. And myth that healthcare will bankrupt us is just that, a myth. Almost every other first world country has had universal heath care for decades and almost all of them are in better financial shape with lower unemployment. If Romney promised to carry on Obama Care or another plan with no interuptions in coverage and mandatory coverage for everyone, I might actually vote for him. But without that promise, no way. I guess sometimes political affiliations are so strong, people will actually knowingly cause harm to themselves and even their children rather than vote for “the other side” which would help them. That’s politics.

  • reetamae

    It’s nearly a full time job keeping up with “Mitty’s news.” My goodness, it’s a wonder anyone would vote for this man, let alone him being ahead, or dead even in the polls. But, one thing he said was true – we will treat a person in the ER who is having that heart attack, or some other emergency. We will admit, and treat – until they are stable – then release them to home. After that, his “stupid” kicks in. If they are uninsured, meaning they don’t have medicare, medicaid, or some other insurance, guess who gets that grossly over inflated bill? The government? The hospital? Is he crazy? The hospital “pays for it?” Charity pays for it? Really? I’m not going to say that some hospitals don’t eventually write it off for some – to look good on paper, as in this is their charitable write-off. But, without insurance, the hospital, doctors, surgeons, radiologists, pathologists, and any other charge they can conceive, don’t give that patient any discount – (all ins. pay only their pre-determined “fair and reasonable rates,” which health care providers do not pass on to a non insured person, thus, effectively charging them more of what they don’t have in the first place.)

    There are so many people who cannot afford to pay for a bottle of aspirin, let alone medication that cost hundreds of dollars a month. What about follow up care? If one has had a heart attack, needing by-pass surgery, or stents, they need expensive medications and cardiac rehab, just to keep from dying within THE FIRST YEAR following the event. How will they pay for that? Do you think “Dr Smith’s” office manager is going to say “-Oh, ok, you don’t have insurance….let’s see, we will just write this off?” Millions of people owe millions of dollars for treatments that will never get paid back – they will just put the bill in that “to do file.” I know, because my sister went through this when both she and her son were diagnosed with cancer in the same year. They even had insurance, but those darn co-pays nearly bankrupted them. (thankfully, they are both fine, 12 years out) But, just how much does Mitty think THIS is costing? Unpaid medical bills are costing just about the same amount that “obamacare” (I hate that term) costs. Would it not be reasonable, then, to have everyone insured vs having everyone fend for themselves? Have everyone insured so they can get well, instead of dying from worry about the thousands of dollars they owe that they won’t ever be able to pay off? We all paid for it anyway, pre “obamacare,” we’ve always paid for it, there has never been such a thing as “free care, or a free hospital.” The cost goes to someone. So, why not pay instead to have everyone covered? Isn’t that a win-win?

    As a nurse for some 30 years, I know what I’m talking about. I work in a phone room now, and I hear this everyday, several times a day. I have worked in both the public and private sector, and heard it then, too. And I’m only one nurse, in one phone room, in one hospital. Just imagine the numbers!

    Of course people die because they don’t have insurance. Many uninsured people wait until that very last second to come in, at which point they are so sick it takes a great deal more treatment to get them “fixed.” For many, it’s too late. There are so many more stories out there, one’s head would spin. Mitty is totally out of reality as to what goes on in “regular” people’s lives. If he is elected, expect to go back to the “good old boys” policies that got us in this mess in the first place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.gillespie.9083 Peter Gillespie

    Obama will be remembered for being the first president to try to make sure everyone has health care long after history books have forgotten the color of his skin. Obamacare has it’s faults. The American system has it’s faults. The biggest: WHY SHOULD WHERE YOU WORK HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ABILITY TO GET CARE WHEN YOU ARE SICK? Donald Trump and Joe Blow (fruit picker) have the same body parts and need exactly the same health care. They both need the aid of the fire department in case of fire and police protection from bad guys and a military to keep them safe. One day Americans will wake up and take the employer completely out of the equation. I am sure that currently there are people working at a job (maybe they get super health insurance) when they should be working somewhere else. It doesn’t make sense.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FJMWK7IRNHYLDFXABBUJD65GAE ClydeC

    He did not include in those fiqures the military or Social Security as Claimed just welfare, & food stamps & unemployment

  • randy snoopdog

    Healthcare should never be for profit.Period.It is the only way to bring it under control.Romney hasn’t a clue what its like.Sure they will save you from a heart attack.Then your life is over, every penny you have goes to hospital and doctor bills.It does not magically come from charity.Then comes the drug cost.Man does this country dish out the drugs.Insane I tell you. Heck pharmaceutical drugs are in almost every water way in America .Tell the insurance company they are no longer for profit.If you want to get real rich do in some manner that does not involve my grandmothers health,or my childs.Tell the doctor this is what you make for performing this task or service It is the logical thing to do. Call it socialism call it communism, call it what you will. Unless you are in the top 10% of income earners you had better learn to call it common sense. What is really sad are situations that happen all the time where a man, or woman pays hundreds of thousand of dollars to insurance companies through the decades Now they are in their fifties or sixties and lose their jobs and their socalled “insurance”Now they get sick and after paying the insurance company all that money that THEY earned through the years.Well that all went into corporate pockets and the man or woman goes to the poorhouse,they they do not pass go.This speaks volumes about our country and our values or,our lack of them.It tells the world we are more concerned with corporate profit than our childrens health.Romney nor PresidentObama have the fortitude necessary to tell the truth on healthcare.I hope I live long enough to see a Ron Paul type guy just once in a lame duck second term just take the gloves off and tell the truth and fight for right, instead of politics. America is not facing reality right now, we seem to be in a state of denial about alot more than healthcare.

  • mbm

    Listening to Mitt throughout his campaign brings to mind a quote from “Freedom” referring to a 19th century politician: “If he had lived in the time of Adam and Eve, the presence of the serpent would have been superfluous.” Enough said.

  • Marian48

    I’m retired, taught school for 30 yrs. THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THAT I HAVE EVER BEEN SCARED OF A CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN THIS COUNTRY!!!! I have voted both Rep. and Dem.- for who I felt would do the best job for the people. I have listened to all the debates, researched the candidates and am shocked to see a candidate who can lie so well, flip-flop the issues ( according to what group of people he is speaking to), and be so arrogant and out of touch with the average people!!
    PLEASE, do not vote for Mitt Romney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • frankelee

    “Good news everyone!”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6VWHSVKFRWTVE2THS3GDJGG2KU David Mukisa

    Wanting to take the senior´s Medcare, play with their brain by promising them a better choice, then tricking them into losing it by taking advantag of their aging incapabilities to judge, taking their money to pay for taxcuts for the rich.
    So sensitive as it is Romney won´t tell…until you vote…And then the unraveling of the Romney-taxcut-plan will show up!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EUGI4NWYOLTJCEDBZALYSFLLJQ wstxyellowrose

    5 months ago I fell, went to ER, told nothing broken, hospital called next day saying knee was fractured and I needed to see an orthopedic surgeon. The ER really helped-NOT! My knee had to heal without any medical care and I am nearly crippled now. The hospital would only do anything if the bone was sticking out.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JWPCDWWOQJAS5UTZVN5CE3MZLU PamelaT

    This guys is simply clueless. I see folks die with cancer that have no insurance

  • peterhayes

    When you go in to an American hospital – the first thing they test is your credit card.

  • gildedtumbril

    O’bummer intends to give the entire world free medical care and lunch on the USA. Or is it the USA as lunch? That would be the moozlum world, of course.

    • patuxant

      fool…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N66JKFRHFLOEIUUAUTAJ2MJW3U Nina

    Romney is totally out of touch with the 99 percent population; he knows absolutely nothing of how we have to live and how hard it is to get care when you do not have insurance. And if you do have insurance, there is still the copay for all treatment and for medications. Sometimes those copays can run up a hefty debt. I watched the debate and Romney absolutely refused to answer the questions; instead he wondered off to a different subject. When he said the Navy has less ships than it did in 1919, I had to burst out laughing and was very proud of President Obama’s quick response that we have fewer bayonettes and horses too!! 1919 is over a century ago and things have changed. Our ships today are state-of-the-art; they are equipped with modern weapons, are much larger and faster than the ships back then. As the President stated, it is all about strategy!!

  • plc775a

    What most people seem to ignore is that when you receive free medical treatment, someone has to pay for it: whether it is medicaid, states, hospitals etc. Ultimately, the money comes out of our pockets as either taxes or higher insurance premiums. Why do you think healthcare continues to outpace inflation? The more a population can’t afford it, the higher the premiums go. The higher the premiums go, the fewer there are people to pay the premiums. The problem is healthcare is an underfunded mandate. Only by properly funding that mandate can we expect the cost of healthcare to stabilize.

  • http://www.facebook.com/priscilla.kelley.5 Priscilla Kelley

    Yes, the illness develops, without treatment, to the point that the person goes to the emergency room with a real EMERGENCY (like a heart attack or stroke) when it is too late to help him/ her get better. Then the person has to go on disability status with Social Security. Yes, indeed, that make a great deal of sense! Every developed nation in the world has a health care plan — except the one with the “flood the emergency room too late” plan. Come to think of it, why are we the only ones with that plan if it is so great?

    • http://people.ku.edu/~mmth/ Michael M. T. Henderson

      When JFK was elected in 1960, one of my Republican classmates said “Socialized medicine in 6 months.” This was in an English history class, taught by a professor who had just spent a sabbatical in England. He replied “Don’t knock it. The system put in place by Winston Churchill (CONSERVATIVE prime minister) after WWII has served the people very well, as it would here.”
      Well, it took LBJ 5 years to get Medicare through, and even a heavily Democratic congress wouldn’t allow it for anyone under 65. Now, we need to emulate the other advanced nations and make health care a not-for-profit business, funded like Medicare with its tiny overhead and no multimillion-dollar salaries. Doctors could cut way back on the staff they need to hire with dozens of different insurance companies (each trying to deny as many claims as possible so as to bolster profits) and get on with the activities they went to medical school to learn. Wouldn’t be nice to know that you could see your doctor for as long a time as she thought appropriate for your problem, rather than trying to squeeze you into the 15 minutes she has budgeted so she can see four patients an hour?

  • Jack Wormer

    “Mitt Romney Tells 26,000 Americans They Didn’t Die”…

    Not as long as we Mormons can pick up your sorry remains and BAPTIZE THEM!

  • mary frances Fleming

    How boringly hippocritical. Let him time off to go to church.

  • arthur schultz

    How would he know how how bad off the poor have it? He has lived his life with a silver spoon to his lips and a mansion over his head, and he thinks that closing businesses for profit, while his workers go to unemployment lines is a good thing. The sad thing about it is that a lot of Americans think like him. Too bad for America, too bad for everyone. I pray he loses the election.

  • zeldaq

    mr. romney is counting on the white racists to elect him. what those people don’t seem to get, is that if he wins this election, 98% of americans will fall into his MOOCHER catagory. a lesson my parents taught me is,” if you smell a rat, stay away.”
    GWB ruined this country, and handed mr. obama the biggest mess in the history of this country. since then mr. obama has moved the country forward. he had to deal with, the economy, terrorists, and all the SILENT RACISTS in congress. mr. romney has proven time and again that he doesn’t care about womens rights, veterans, or poor people. if by some chance mr. romney wins
    our country is doomed. 98% of the people will become slaves to the wealthy. the GOP will enact laws such as, only republicans votes will count. once that happens our country is lost forever.

  • http://people.ku.edu/~mmth/ Michael M. T. Henderson

    The short time before the election will probably not give the Obama campaign enough time to put out commercials showing Romney saying one thing and then its opposite a few days/weeks/months/years–or even hours–later. I cannot understand why anyone would want to vote for a man who is promising to take insurance away from millions of people, and telling them to go to the emergency room for ordinary medical needs such as dialysis or prescriptions, things that are not available through the ER. He is running, apparently, to enrich himself and the rest of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us–and an enormous increase in the National Debt. The only possible reason for voting for him would be to have a white family in the White House, rather than a bunch of uppity Negroes, at least one of whom was born in Africa. Romney makes George W. Bush look like a good Samaritan, or at least one who did not use the presidency to enrich himself. And while Dick Cheney’s Halliburton may have profited from the War, at least he didn’t lie about it the way Ryan has about the government money he got for his district and then denied requesting until he got caught.

  • truthisreal

    Cultist people if you sugarcoat lies repeatedly eventually their followers will think it must be true because their self appointed messiahs tell it to them all the time. Romneys delusional thinking comes from following the teachings of Joseph Smith..he taught that God revealed the Book of Mormon to him miraculously…one day it was discovered that it was a copy of a novel written by solomon spalding in 1816. Spalding was a retired minister who wrote fictitious fables.His second novel (Manuscript Found) has been found to be the same book as the Book of Mormon. He died before it was stolen by Joseph Smith. This is one of the 4 key divine works of the Church and despite 4000 recent revisions there still are no places,names,peoples,tribes that can be verified in this stolen work. Mormonism reinvents everything using cultic and unscholarly data. It is founded on a fake fable yet their followers willingly adopt the self serving interpretations that are based on this fake work. Romney has become skilled in parsing truth and now his devoted followers accept his koolaid as authentic truth. He says things that he knows to be untrue and smiles like a fuller brush salesman to his unsuspecting victims. Mormonism is a Satanic Cult that blasphemes the character of God,the authenticity of the tradional bible,the way of Salvation and the future of the American nation. Romney believes the White Horse Prophecy theory that America will collapse and the mormon cult will rescue it. Romney also believes that the New Jerusalem will be built in the USA and not in Israel, yet he lies to Israel and all Jews about his secret cultists beliefs. He is not to be trusted. Anyone that believes his greatest strength comes from his magical mormon underwear is a confused vodoo worshipper that has no place in the Oval Office

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DPY5ADXTDUGABOL7TPUJQEP5YE JOAQUIM

    If he is a mormon bishop and shows such disregard for human life, not to mention the continuous lies, what does that tell you about this cult? Do they agree with him? I’d like to see a coment by a mormon.

    • xeno2x

      Joaquim:
      I have been a member of the LDS (Mormon) Church for over 50 years and have seen many a Bishop and Stake President in my day. Most were really decent people who did their jobs with humble faith and great concern for those who were in their wards and stakes. But there were two who failed miserably in their callings. Just because Mitt was called to be a Bishop and Stake President should not imply that he is any better or more righteous than anyone else.

      There is a scripture that explains it better than I could. (Doctrine and Covenants 121: 34-37.

      34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

      35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—

      36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

      37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.

      And so it is with Mitt Romney. He does not represent the LDS Church or the great majority of its members. I believe that he is a sociopath who abandoned Jesus Christ to worship money and power. His much vaunted success appears to have been obtained by grinding the face of the poor and withholding honest wages from honest workers. I can find no evidence that he has ever created or added value to anything. He does not build up, but harvests what others have sowed.

      Therefore my wife and I have voted for Obama. Not that I agree with everything the Democratic Party stands for, but because I believe Obama is as close to an honest politician as we are likely to find today.

      I hope this has answered some of your questions.

      John McEwan

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WIFIY733KR7Y5CE6ZBVIXBVYOI Thomas m

      Well said Mitt and his Cult the LDS…….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DPY5ADXTDUGABOL7TPUJQEP5YE JOAQUIM

    onedonewrong comment just goes to show we still have a lot of cons to deal with! It is not only Romney that is a insensitive. There are lots of people in this contry who do not give a care about other human beings. They just care about themselves. Some are the same who lynched blacks and other minorities for fun, plus their descendents. We also have the KKK and their descendents. Who do you think they are voting for? And the skin heads, and their descendents ,etc, etc.

  • LoneOkieDemo

    Once again the lies go unanswered. Mr. Romney has no idea what the majority of Americans do or how they live. He has never missed a payment for lack of funds. He has never gone without glasses because one of his kids needed something. He has never watched a person die because of lack of health insurance. He does not care if he tell an untruth, because no one in his life has ever held him accountable for anything he did or said. To contradict a Romney, is to lose your job. Make not mistake about it. He will insist that he be surrounded by like minded people, or else. That is how you run a company, not a country!

  • Evenkeel

    Several people mention “The 47%”, so I feel compelled to comment.

    Hedrick Smith (long-time, well respected journalist & author of Who Stole the American Dream) has provided a really informative analysis of “the 47%”. Here’s the real story:

    Approx. 20% earn so little, that they don’t pay Federal tax, however they DO play state & local taxes, FICA, medicare, and sales tax. (This often adds up to a large percent of their income).

    Another ~20% are in categories such as retired, disabled. They too pay some of these other taxes. And although many of them don’t pay federal income tax, one could consider this fair as they paid federal taxes during their working years and have earned the right to retire and collect benefits.

    That leaves approx. 8% who don’t pay taxes. (A fair cry from Romney’s statement that 47% of our population are freeloaders!)

    • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

      What percentage have a financial situation like Mitt’s but pay no federal taxes at all because they hide all their income offshore? Maybe Mitt himself is technically part of that 47 percent he condemns! He wouldn’t tell us, so we did not hire him!

  • jan cooper

    obama is satan barack name hebrew is satan, barack 6 hussein 7 obama 5 666 18 9 name number beast antichrist bible new testament st joh, obama is dajjal satan left hand writer and have hell technology rfid obamacare obamataxe, nostradamus antichrist code name mabus is obama obamus, johanwa owalo keny prophet tells kenya son destroy usa… obama names is so matrix abcd tabule.. barack 6 obama 5 is 11 adolf 5 hitler 6 is 11
    usa new yourk is babylon…
    prophercy and youtube videos.
    obama is big liar satan beatiful satanic face…

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WIFIY733KR7Y5CE6ZBVIXBVYOI Thomas m

      Under what rock did you come out of?

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        Maybe he never crawled out from under a rock in the first place.

        Romney and this person Jan are way too Neandertholic for me to even deal with.

        Classic medical condition called Cerbralrectalitis.

  • Moomur

    This man is really an idiot.

  • bree

    It completely perturbs me that people “die” b/c of lack of treatment. i do understand why some people don’t go to the doctor when they are sick. they will kinda look at you funky if you don’t have your payment. it’s not like they won’t get paid. there are credits businesses can claim. and they get all your information so they know how to find you. Completely Ridiculous!!

  • rarnedsoum

    The feckless son of a governor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/priscilla.kelley.5 Priscilla Kelley

    Who pays for folks who go to the emergency room and can’t pay? Why didn’t Romney mention that others who go to the hospital and pay will also pay for those who do not pay just as we pay at the grocery store for things that shoplifters take. Also, folks WITH insurance sometimes die, depending on what the insurance company will agree to pay for. There is no way — private insurance or ACA — that everyone will get absolutely everything that he/ she wants! And as more folks have health care, there will be a shortage of doctors. The solution to that is not to deny people health care but to train more doctors. If a person will agree to teach for a certain number of years or in a certain location, I believe that the person can get discounted loans. Why couldn’t the same thing be done for potential doctors? Something similar is done in England and other countries.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LCXMWHFPRMEYD4RWN56QE2FF4 Grunge45

    When you are so rich that you not only can pay any bill, you set up private rooms and private nurses, you just can’t understand how the “peasants” are treated. But Romney favors the rich, and sucks up to corporations.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/E3QXTIRQLGO3MROOP2T64HDLXI wayne

    Come on Mitt. Hospitals can’t keep there doors open if they don’t get payed. They spread
    there lose among insured patients. Insurance companies then pass there lose onto there
    policy holders. That’s why the premiums keep going up.

  • Eleanor

    You mentioned people getting dialysis or chemotherapy, but don’t have insurance, I have never known anyone on dialysis that is not on Medicare, regardless of income. As for Chemotherapy, I have never worked in a hospital in my 40+ years of nursing seen a hospital deny Chemo to cancer patients. This was covered by certain cancer organizations or written off as a loss in the hospital income statements. It is for damn sure our E.R.s are not for emergency any more, they are inundated with non-emergency issues. There are some clinics that will treat such, but this is not chosen. Why???? And BTW, Maybe Reagan mandated ALL hospitals had to treat all life threatening conditions regardless of ability to pay. That alone is not new, Since I became a nurse in 1958 and my 3 years of training prior to that, this was practiced. Rule of thumb, not a national mandate. Obamacare is a POS for seniors and disabled, chronically ill patients, It will be the same as euthanasia. Not something that is all saving, believe you me, what I am learning in my research,is revealing many hidden agendas, using wording only a lawyer understands. SCARY as hell.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QWRH3ICR7NTZEHA4WYHBGMIKCQ Stephanopolis

    Just another of many examples of a man who is completely disconnected from the people he was trying to represent.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HIV22P6I2HHDPPYGWTYQHRETJ4 pani

    Romney lives in fantasy land. He shows his detachment from the real world by comments like this. Maybe in his world people don’t die from lack of insurance, but not in the world I live in. I know many people who died because they didn’t have health care. Throw away your checkbook mr. twit, and live like the rest of us for a while . You couldn’t survive outside of your rarified environment.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GYXOC4H6FXXRQBU5M3NQFUH6GA Jean

    In that video, that was the REAL ROMNEY talking. He tried to come out and say he was for 100% of the people, but that is a lie. All Romney did was lie about everything. He was on six sides of every issue before election day. I often wondered how anyone that had listened to him and looked at him could cast a vote for him. He was trying to lie his way into the White House. I think he just wanted to be president but he didn’t want to do anything if he was elected. If he had been elected, he would have been lead around by the nose by the Republicans all because he had no idea what being president was about.

  • msrita

    I’m here the day after Thanksgiving and I thank all the American People who Voted for OBAMA. The 89% Voted against Robme/LyingRyan

  • Canistercook

    Wonder why the Democrats have to make such ridiculous attacks still. They won!

  • http://mohammeddressup.com/ I Zheet M’Drawz

    It really is quite amazing that Mr. Romney is distancing himself from the one really significant contribution to the social masses he managed to accomplish as a Gov.

    Looky here, the Republicants just want the white house, they want the nation to be run by people just like them, grey haired rich old white guys.

    Well grey haired rich old white guys get this…in four years most of you will have passed on, just like the Republicant party.

    The Republicant Party is like a relative on life sustaining emergency medical equipment. Pull the plug & they’ll go. Most people don’t like the idea of ‘pulling the plug’ on a terminal patient but this one is brain dead.

    Look at the presidental nominees we’ve seen out of this bunch:

    Sarah Palin

    Mitt Romney

    Nut GrinGrinch

    Trump?!?

    McCain

    the list of losers is getting longer by the hour.

    Did they really think that getting a black man out of the white house was of the utmost concern to Americans? WoW what a bunch of dorks! Remember white people are no longer the majority block in America. Yes that’s right whitey is a minority now, granted a very rich one but still a minority.

    Well the 47%’er are color blind folks. What they saw & heard was a real off-the-wall right wing nutcase (imagine actually wearing & belieiving in ‘Magic Underwear’?!?) with a distinctly foul odor of religious zealousness that could only lead to more war (in Jesus name of course).

    Time to change the entire electoral process isn’t? This process isn’t working. The Republicants have been campaigning for the white house since 2006, that’ over six years of listening to their hatred (mostly of American people) & it doesn’t appear that it will stop.

    They’re already running Jeb Bush, talk about adding to the loser list (LL).

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    he,s just the ANTI-CHRIST ROMNEY when he talks he has to pull his pants down so youi can hear him talk out his butt heres some T-Paper you can wipe the crap off your chin now . or should i say off the back of your legs

  • Michelle Hackler

    Mitt Romney is not running for any political office any more. He does not have to toe the conservative part of the Republican Party any more. Why don’t he just be himself and tell us what he really believes. Then maybe he could save the Republican Party from its final doom. If he can’t let us know what he really believes then he had no business being President and we as a country were saved by his defeat.

    If Mitt Romney had really wanted to be President then he should have started preparing in high school, while on mission, and at colleges. With his family wealth had the time to study foreign affairs and talk to leaders many times in his life. If only he would have not made being a business tycoon so much of a part of his personality and had used his father’s connections to have worked for a Michigan Congressmen or Senator he would have learned what it takes to really be a politician and listen to people. Instead he became a one sided personality, the boss, and that’s how he related to people all his life. This is the real reason Mitt Romney failed in his attempts to become President.

    He lost. He’s rich. He doesn’t have to work. He could take some time and become involved with people without having to play any role as an authoritarian. Does he? No, he is out there trying to boss everybody around even without a political base or any other authority in business or his religious faith.

    We are terribly lucky that Mitt Romney was not elected President. Being an authoritarian boss is all he understands. As President he would have been a total fail.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4RP7P3KAI3OL25Y43NT4CZPNDU jpretired

    Shows just how cold hearted the republicans are.They feel that if poor people die off,they can stuff more money in thiercoffers,

  • Eleanor

    People do not die for lack of insurance, they die from lack of care. How much more is the USA going to spend on illegal aliens in the medical care, while denying care for the American born senior??? Believe me it does happen. Some people do not have Medicare as they never worked or paid into S.S., and because they had worked at home all their lives, unmarried, therefore do not qualify for help, but let a non American born apply for help, and it gets rushed through to qualify them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4JK5UTBYBW34I6QZZXYEBMSTT4 TEN-OF-WANDS

    It will be a joyous day when the ignorant are cured of their ignorance by the only device known to cure ignorance: REVOLUTION.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cdijkhuyzen Carol Dijkhuyzen

    And you Mitt Romney,you were “HAMMERED!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F3AEVYAEPTF5EQAQBKY7B4IUSU EAT THE RICH

    the man is a useless nazi puke, he lost forget him it’s more than his kind deserve, but we no longer use the gilliotiene.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QXUFSMTKTK3UCL3ZFPJPONXAVM mac macey

    I guess Mitt thinks God has a way of shutting that thing down, called uninsured. Dead uninsured people have given life to the idea that Mitt won’t be a President while Mitt continues to disbelieve.

  • judgeglenda

    just let romney talk and show how dumb he is.

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  • Sierra111

    I think he actually believes his own b……t!

  • http://twitter.com/Eddie2906 Frank Lopez

    Romney and Ryan both (and toss in John McCain as an ugly spare) out of touch and stuck in their pathetic bitterness over losing. Instead of gunning for the man you LOST to, why don’t you freakin do some good old fashioned WORK, you idiots. If Obama takes a dump McCain is the first to scream “congressional hearings”. Stop wasting the taxpayers money chasing your bitterness, shut up and do what your constituents elected you to do: work. Oh, wait…you don’t know what that is! My bad..

  • lawoman32

    No surprise here. Mitt is a compulsive liar and although he was totally oblivious to all of the lies he told, the American electorate saw him for exactly the totally truth challenged Know-Nothing that he is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Clarence-McGregor/656390816 Clarence McGregor

    Let them eat cake.

  • kanawah

    With Mittens you get 2 for 1. An idiot and an a$$ hole.

  • Teddy Jack Eddie

    Can we please get more regulations and laws passed today. I’m having a tough time functioning without the government.

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