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Saturday, February 23, 2019

# Mitt Romney’s Fuzzy Debate Math

Let’s take Mitt Romney at his word, and see how the numbers he cited during Wednesday night’s debate add up. We can begin with a pop quiz in Presidential arithmetic:

If you have a \$1.3 trillion annual deficit, and you are going to make it shrink to zero without raising any tax, how many new jobs will the economy have to create? Show your work.

Starting with Romney’s assertion that his policies will lead to 12 million new jobs over four years and provide the government with fresh tax revenue, how close will that come to plugging the gaping hole in the federal budget? Answer: Not very close.

If we assume that those jobs pay \$40,000 per year and that each new job pays 20 percent in Federal taxes, the total additional revenue comes to just \$96 billion in 2016.

That \$96 billion obviously doesn’t come close to the \$1 trillion currently projected deficit — not to mention the \$300 billion in additional spending Romney proposes for the military and the insurance company subsidies he’s “returning” to Medicare.

Never mind that there’s a problem lowering the top tax rate to 28 percent from 35 percent, which will cost \$250 billion in revenues. Plugging that hole by taking away the \$165 billion in deductions used by top earners simply doesn’t work. Then there’s an even bigger problem making his tax cut of \$5 trillion “revenue neutral” while giving the middle class “tax relief.”

But let’s continue taking Romney at his word, even if it’s not worth the paper it isn’t printed on.

Let’s imagine those new jobs are really, really good jobs. How good do they have to be to provide enough new tax revenue to cover the deficit?

At a 25 percent Federal tax rate on all the new income, the average new job would have to pay a mere \$433,333 per year to fill the gap. Sign me up for one of those new jobs, please.

The other possibility is that Romney’s policies will magically create even more jobs than he’s assuming. If the new jobs were those \$40K per year jobs each paying 20 percent in taxes, we’d need 162.5 million new jobs. For those playing along at home, that’s more jobs than the total current civilian labor force, which stood at 154.6 million last month.

The bottom line?

Romney’s real problem is that when he talks numbers, the numbers never add up.

Howard Hill is a retired investment banker who created a number of groundbreaking deal structures and analytic techniques on Wall Street, and later helped manage a \$100 billion portfolio.  He writes and blogs at mindonmoney.wordpress.com. Follow on Twitter: @hhill61

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### 313 responses to “Mitt Romney’s Fuzzy Debate Math”

1. Will people seriously fall for Mitt Romney’s” VooDoo” Economics? Sounds like Ronald Regan all over again. There is no way he can make happen what he promised during the debate without raising taxes on the middle class!

• Johnny says:

OKAY Carolyn, Now let’s take obama’s myth math. Half the population works their a\$\$es off just the other half and growing can stay home and accept a free hand out.
Well knowing those not working will only demand more since they are so entitled to it. Obama said so — So they gotts ta git it huh.
What happens when all the coal mines are shut down and electric bills double, those working are taxes like they are in France at 75% for Federal tax. WoW just think if a worker earns \$400/a week that person even if they only pay Federal tax will take home: \$100/a week. How long do you actually feel that will last? Your reply will be welcomed.

• CPANY says:

Johnny:

Your comment doesn’t appear to answer Carolyn’s comment. In fact, it’s so ungrammmatical that I’m not sure what point you are making. Can you restate your comment?

• daniel bostdorf says:

The article is about Romney’s fuzzy math and blatant lying…..nothing about obamas math or anything else you mentioned.

You are promulgating lies and distortions i.e. you are propagandist for the right wing fascists.

Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

Keep lying “Johnny” if that is your real name….

• Didi Paano says:

Johnny…..what you don’t seem to realize is that those individuals you state that are “staying home and accepting a free handout” include disabled, senior citizens, etc. Plus, most of them are not getting a “free” handout….they’re getting the Social Security and Medicare monies that they paid for when they WERE working.
As for shutting down coal mines…..new energy sources will provide better jobs for miners (and much safer jobs). Obviously, you’re one of the ones who can’t do the fuzzy Romney math!!!

• day.richard says:

Yeah, Didi, and cant follow a clear thought either.
It’s so much easier for one to remember their own ‘original’ thoughts than to try and regurgitate ones given them by some one else.
Especially when logic isn’t involved.

• seagazer101 says:

Don’t forget veterans: Romney does because no one in his family has ever seen military service.

• concernedgran says:

Speaking of Veterans – Don’t forget that the Veterans Job Bill was recently voted down by Congress by a 58-40 vote with only 5 Republicans voting for the bill. 60 votes were needed to pass the bill and I am ashamed to say that Richard Burr who represents my state, NC, was one of those who voted no and we should all be ashamed that John McCain, who wants to remind everyone that he is a decorated war veteran, was another one who voted no. Once again politics before country and veterans. This is easy to prove, so if you disagree with me, look it up it’s public record! I hope all our veterans and men and women in our armed services remember this come election day!

• Hillbilly says:

What is ironic about the Veterans Job bill is that a Republican is the one that had the idea for the bill and is the one that brought it up for a vote. When he did this the powers that be in the Republican party suddenly had the thought that the bill might help President Obama in his reelection bid so they made sure that their own bill didn’t get passed.All the Republicans have thought of since the 2008 elections is how to defeat Obama even if it meant sending the Country down the tubes and not helping the men and women who have gave all in defending this country. What happened to the Veterans Job Bills and all the other bills that would have helped this Country toward recovery from the 8 years of Bush and the 12 years of a Republican Congress are the reasons to not vote for any Republican in any election.

• lindablue says:

Remember how the Republicans kicked and screamed about health care for the hero’s that went into the twin towers to save lives and helped with the recovery of bodies? Why would anyone who would make the hero’s go broke before giving them care treat veterans any different?

• 345_719 says:

Your right. rommny ran away to avoid the draft. When the drat ended he came back!!

• zola98 says:

Johnny is thinking in it’s AAs and other minorities, he’s thinking welfare not realising it’s his race that’s sucking at the taxpayers’ trough. Why continue to pollute the air if there are other methods of providing electricity etc. As usual, the trolls aren’t good at math either much like their candidate and his running mate. They are both lying about how their numbers will add up because it’s a mathamatical impossiblity. As Clinton correctly stated it’s the arithimetic. What’s left of the Middle Class who will be footing the bill will eventually be eliminated and the country will have two classes the rich and the poor which is what the Republican Party is about.

• DurdyDawg says:

Actually we should look at this in it’s true perspective. Welfare is earmarked from our taxes, decided by congress and not a president. Most people have no political clue of how things work in g’ment. Let’s then take all the welfare/food stamps out of the equation.. People starving.. Committing crimes to feed themselves and their family regardless of color, regardless of race.. Children feeling the dread and growing up to become criminals themselves because their parents are striving on a daily basis to maintain sanity and the g’ment or no one else cares for their future. Relying on church and charity that’s already over bloated with the needy. So, what to do with this ‘earmarked’ bonanza? Apply it to the deficit? PEANUTS! Circulate it among the wealthy? Apply to more military defense? Use the money that feeds the poor and needy for more police action once they rebel against starvation? Don’t the powers that be realize that in dire times like these it’s necessary to maintain the peace by feeding and housing those who once participated in keeping this country prosperous in better times and will return to the work force and gladly get off of these ‘entitlements’ once the nation rebounds? Why don’t they tell those taxpayers that eliminating these “needs” that they would use them for other programs that don’t make sense and that the few millions on welfare/food stamps would eventually add to the criminal element that’s already rampant in this nation.. This has become a nation of me’s with little morality and just as little sympathy and as for knocking veterans, social security and medicare (Obama care).. Piss off you mutton heads.. WE WORKED FOR AND EARNED THOSE BENEFITS..!! They had nothing to do with the g’ment except to be a holder (and not so good at doing that).

• lindablue says:

Or maybe we could just look to the 92 Billion dollars in Corporate welfare we tax payer payout every single years. Where is that make it on their own spirit when it come to Corporate welfare. The GOP would rather let their people starve than to ask a billionaire corporation to pay a little more or to take away the 92 billions in corporate welfare they give them each year.

• Dmullins84 says:

Johnny no nothing, I would love to know what in the hell you are talking about?? You dam Yahoo’s only listen to Foxy so called news while sipping your tea and gobble up everything you hear as facts. Quit listening to all that bull shit on fox, and nothing you hear and half what you see. Some of the coal mines should be shut down for safety reason to save your greedy ass. The President has no plans on shutting no mines down!

• Powkat says:

One assumes you are referring to the ‘47%’ that Mitt doesn’t care about.

23% make so little money that they don’t owe income tax, 10% are retired folks, primarily those who depend almost exclusively on Social Security for their retirement income, 7% are benefits for the earned income tax credit, the child tax credit, and the child care tax credit. Because of these special benefits, a family of four (two parents, two children) earning up to \$45,775 last year would not have had to pay income taxes, primarily because of special credits for children. These credits were put in place by George W. Bush to KEEP people working, rather than depending on ‘a free hand out(sic)’ and were part of the Bush tax cuts. The last 6% is other benefits, including itemized deductions, tax credits for education, and the income tax exemptions for everything from disability payments to interest on municipal bonds. And nearly 10,000 of the final 6% have an income of over \$100,000 annually.

• day.richard says:

Huh?!

• seagazer101 says:

Turn off Fox News. You sound like a freaking parrot.

• seche says:

Johnny Half the people you are talking about are our mothers and fathers on social security that they paid into all there lives .Your parents if they were parents took care of your sorry a\$\$ for the first 20 years of there lives so you can kick them to the curb when they get older . Another 1/3 of those people fought to keep your sorry a\$\$ safe from those who wish to hurt you.

• What you saying is absolutely stupid, we need spending cuts,closing loopholes, massive , not more defense spending, we also need to tax people that can effort it more, there is no way around any of these, the economy will grow thru DEMAND and demand only, Company’s will hire once there is demand everything ales is voodoo economics. We can wait until demand is growing naturally or our government can kick-start thru tax cuts and targeted investments. Now to be fare neither of the candidates is addressing these earnestly

• There are private entrepreneurs at this moment working on solar and wind energy, and the government does offer rebates for using energy efficient appliances. When I look at all the business, residence, school and barn roofs around here without solar, I know there is room for that business to grow! The railroads, airlines, and many other industries (not to mention military supply!) have been kicked off by government subsidies. more later.

• LVSUNSHINE says:

Johnny, let me help you with the math. Romney paid a lower percentage rate than I did the last two years (not sure before then because he refuses to show any more, does this tell you anything about what he is hiding), if the Ryan bill passes, Romney will be paying, you guessed it “0”. Of course he is going to cut taxes for everyone (just to make it look like he is for everyone, not only his millionaire friends) but so far has not been able to tell us how except to do away with some standard deductions: interest on mortgage loans (I am a real estate consultant, do you know what that will do to the housing market?, of course he doen’t have a mortgage); child care deduction (some are not quite as fortunate as Ann Romney to stay at home and take care of her family) , of course he has not come out with everything he wants to eliminate, as with everything else. His comment as to how ” I will tell you how and what I will do after I become your President.” Trust Me”. Well I don’t! In cloising, Thank God that you can go to work each day. Many of those you quote as sitting on their butts “wish they could stand on their own two feet” but instead are confined to beds and wheelchairs. Give thanks, don’t condemn those that do not have the same oportunities you have.

• oldtack says:

Johnny
I am almost 80 years old. I worked at some type of job from the age of 13 until I went in the Service at 17. After Military service I I spent the next 43 years at a good job. I then worked in the private sector for several more years. At age 65 I was put on Medicare A&B and my primary Insurance (which I still have) became my secondary insurance ( not by my choice). Medicare is the only “entitlement” I get.

And you have the gall to call me a worthless lazy bastard ? Let me tell you something “son” I am sitting on something right now that I will gladly bare so you can kiss it you myopic self-centered ass.

• Gammaanya says:

First go to France and then comment. First of All France have ONE of the BEST health care for ALL no matter what your social status and ALL pay into it.
I used their facilities copule of times (emergency and I never paid more than \$200 for EMERGENCY VISIT vs US emergency visit 4K and I can PROVE IT. I have bills from emergency care here in Ill. how much it cost to get 30 stitches on your head and 7 miles trip by ambulance (\$1000.00). – 4200K. Total 5.200 K
France economy is not so bad as they are saying here. They finally got rid of their AUSTERITY and things will improve for the better. It takes time to fix others problems. Patience my child, patience. NOBODY IN FRANCE PAY 75% FED. TAX.
Who is feeding you the line?? FAux News???? US have the lowest tax rate and worst health care, pay scale in the world. Exclude China. People here work hard for peanuts, while Europeans enjoy their life.

• Dee54 says:

You know I actually worked in Human Services for 30 years and statistically in my state the average stay on welfare was 2.3 years. When you average in the people who do draw for many years it mean a lot of people stop by and get help for a very short time and move on. Their children received medicaid since this country has no health insurance and even if your job offers it the expense in daunting for most people. Many of the “lifers” people talk about on welfare are disabled, elderly, have mental health problems, learning disabilities and other reasons that you clearly cannot even fathom and even they work at part time jobs that have low wages but cannot afford the expensive rents, food etc. The largest expense in any (yes ANY) welfare budget is for nursing homes. Are you ready to kick Grandma to the curb yet? Are you ready to take her in and give 24 hour care? And in places around the world where tax rates are so high they have a lot more benefits than the US including the health insurance that the big boys don’t think anyone is entitled to except themselves of course and they really need a better plan so they pass a law saying they are exempt. If the plan is great why opt out? Anyway I know I am wasting my breath just as you wasted yours – everyone vote and we will see who wins!

• lindablue says:

They worry about a few bucks we spend on the poor and do not think twice about 992 Billion in corporate welfare we spend yearly. You could say they are ass backwards.

• 345_719 says:

Is rommney going to bring bsck all the jobs he sent over seas? I think not!! I’ll vote fo Obama gladly!!!

• ralphkr says:

Johnny boy, kindly stop sucking on the TEA party teat and pay attention to the real world. The 47% being bandied about started out being the 47% of American citizens who do not pay Federal INCOME Taxes because they do NOT make enough money to trigger the Federal Income Tax. These layabouts who are staying at home sucking up the tax dollars include retired people drawing Social Security or Veterans retirement, the waitress, busboy, dishwasher, and cook at your local diner are most likely some of those “lazy layabouts” not paying income tax and I bet they all work a lot harder than you ever thought of doing. They are still paying all sorts of taxes in the form of sales tax (a marvelous way of making sure that the poorer you are the greater the percentage of your income goes to taxes) and property taxes (either directly or through the rent they pay). By the way, I can remember the day when I was making less than \$1,800 a year (yes, that was worth 10 times what \$1,800 is now) and paying both state and fed income tax while the top tax rate was over 90% and, guess what, the unemployment rate was below 4%. So much for the lower taxes for the rich resulting in more jobs.

• oldtack says:

Johnny
I told you on a previous post of my life and what I receive from the Government that you perceive as “entitlements” that lets you take liberty to call me a free-loading lazy bastard.

Now tell us about Johnny. What does Johnny take from the Government – what is Johnny scheduled to receive from the Government at age 65? What deductions does Johnny take on Income tax.. Appears to me that you and your ilk are the true worthless lazy bastards that are raping our Society.

• CPANY says:

Yes, Ms. Krug, he doesn’t make much sense, but sense doesn’t win elections. Great sounding baloney does.

• day.richard says:

Never a truer statement spoken, CP!

• suddencall says:

Tell your AG that lying to voters to defraud them of their vote is not baloney , it is criminal.Why no arrests?

• Exactly how Obama won in 2008 ..Yesterdays debate was the first time someone called Obama on his BS and displayed it in at a crayon level that even libs could understand . He basically called Obama a Liar without having to do so with his ” Ive been in business 25 years comment ” That perfectly displayed that Mitt knew what he was talking about and Obama was relying on Talking Point Lies that only sheeple were believing . The only reason they were believing it was no one in the Liberal Obama Media pointed out before that he was lying . Mitt did . I live in Chicago and had three lib friends call me today and tell me they were voting Romney after that debate . Bravo

• fastfootedd says:

Three more Moran’s from Chicago – why don’t you move to Texas and join the rest of your buddies

• I Wish He Would Get The Hell Out Of Chicago He Needs To Be Around His Tea Bagging Crowd!! Romney Is So Full Of Shit With His Lying Ass!!!

• oldtack says:

Hey!
Quit picking on MY State. Send Michael asshole to Oklahoma – not Texas. We try to run all our bad stuff north of the Red River.

• elw says:

I would find it hard to be proud of a Candidate who called a sitting President of the United States a liar. It shows how little respect Romney has for the office. It is rather ironic that he called Obama a liar then based his entire arguments on twisted truth and out and out lies. I am sure that you failed to notice the shift in his policies, how many more times will they change in the few weeks before the election and where are the details? They do not exist. BTW, I had 3 of my conservative friends call me last night to tell me they are going to vote for Obama. Sorry, that kind of wipes your “bravo” out.

• lindablue says:

Why don’t you just sell Michael a bridge in Brooklyn you’d probably get further.

• elw says:

• Jacqui says:

your friends are easily manipulated and must like bull****

• He Lying Just Like Mitt!! Nobody Told Him Shit!!!

• Aggravated says:

Keep on drinking that republiCON KoolAid Mikey. The last repub White House brought this country to its knees and another in this economy will totally destroy the United States. DO THE MATH!!! Do A Little Research! Look at what history is already written on the subject. Anyone that would vote republicon especially now are not playing with a fuul deck!

• seagazer101 says:

Perhaps not when you come across as a boorish snob who doesn’t even know how to follow the rules of debate. He was just plain RUDE.

• CPANY says:

You’re right. Romney is a boorish snob. It’s part of his character as an elitist. However, I blame Jim Lehrer for nor being strong enough to shut Romney up.

This is classic elitist behavior. It’s generic to that class, regardless of the country they’re in. In the past, it has sometimes gotten them executed.

• notafoxfan says:

boorish snob..yes..rude..yes..he did not debate issues, he acted as if lehrer was his butler to give orders to and obama merely a bit of a bother..lehrer was a poor choice as he was not in control as he should have beenmoderating thje questions and controlling the time frame for both sides…he seemed star struck by romney!

• suddencall says:

seagazer101
You have not seen anything yet , wait till the lunatic voters switch to the GOP again , then you can tear up your voter registration , you will not be needing it . You can also pick out a good spot to put your tent in OLD Mexico when you have to flee your home as a refugee.

• BILL B says:

He was rude and I haven’t forgot what he said about the other 47% of us people that he doesn’t care about. I will pay Romney back for those remarks when I go to vote!

• tiggerooh says:

I’m glad someone else noticed Romney’s rude-ness.He interupted Obama 7 times to interject his comment .Obama didn’t interupt him once except when Romney posed a hypothetical question .Since I’m an engineer we pride ourselves in math related conclusions.Romney must have failed math in grade school but must have been outstanding in Bull****.

• onedonewong says:

If you pride yourself math related conclusions why would you vote for Barak. Nothing he has said or done adds up. Everything that Romney has said and done have been backed up with success. There is no question that Romney is head and shoulders better than barak

• johninPCFL says:

Yes, he found ways to borrow heavily and unresponsibly against company assets over which he gained control with a 2% stake, and then abandoned those companies (now hundreds of millions in debt) without costing himself a penny.

• lindablue says:

Don’t forget he left the workers pensions for the we the tax payers to pay off. What a corporate government welfare blood sucker.

• notafoxfan says:

please read johninpfcl’s response..he is correct..romneys success as you put it is predicated upon others losses (read some history on the man)his true acts of “greed is good” philosophy…

• onedonewong says:

Barak’s success is nonexistent, never created a job or for that matter ever held a job. While on the taxpayer dole in college he never worked a job but was able to travel on the taxpayers nickle.

• lindablue says:

More Republican delusional observation I see.

• onedonewong says:

Notice that you offered up no defense

• lindablue says:

That is because if you looked further down you would see I already did. Also nothing you said is worthy of making an argument too. Propaganda is just that it has no logic or reasoning.

• lindablue says:

More Republican delusional observation. You can’t argue with ideologues.

• onedonewong says:

Simple request and you FAIL

• lindablue says:

• “While Clinton held the White House the Republican congressional majority had besieged his administration with investigations and subpoenas. One panel alone, the House Government Reform Committee, barraged the Clinton administration with more than 1,000 subpoenas, collected more than 2 million pages of documents, and summoned 134 administration officials to hearings investigating alleged wrongdoing. No subject was too trivial: The house, conducted 140 hours of sworn testimony on whether Clinton used the White House Christmas card list to prospect for Democratic donors. In stark contrast, no congressional committee ever subpoenaed the White House while the Republicans controlled the House for the first six years of the Bush’s presidency, and the Senate for all but about eighteen months during that period. The sole congressional subpoena served on the White House during those years came from the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee in the brief interregnum when Democrats controlled the chamber. This is only a few examples about the 51% solution: Republican Strategy in the Bush Years. What could expect of the Obama’s Presidency. They are at war to win those votes and the money that power brings them. ” The Second Civil War!!”

• Gary Davis says:

you are absolutly correct and if the repubs win we will have a civil war that is so bad for all of us . even the ones that believe the liars (repubs) . Obama has to win to save our great Nation

• Bill says:

Not only did Romney interrupt Obama he did the same to Lehrer. By the way I hope the next debate moderators are more forceful in controlling the debates.

• nocking says:

YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND YOU WILL DIE WITH YOUR BOOTS ON. YOU ARE A FUNKY OBAMA SUPPORTER

• tiggerooh says:

You don’t have to be nasty,my friend.I’m not a supporter of either side ,I’m for the people ,not the politicians and the fildergarb they feed the american people.But I do believe in civil attitudes by both parties.At this point in the race for president you will see skewed comments from both sides.However,I find Romney has altered his position on several occassions,whereas Obama has maintained his goal. Although ,as a former republican I oppose several objectives our president is for (Obama care) in its current format ,to name one .But I have read both’s agendas and Obama’s is a more realistic approach.Have faith my friend and fight for what you believe in. .
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• Don says:

YEA, OUTSTANDING BULLSHICK. AND I HOPE HE GETS CUT ON THOSE SHICK BLADES, ROMNEY THAT IS AS WELL AS RYAN THE GREAT LIE PERSON FROM WISCONSIN.

• Wrkdiver says:

Perhaps you’d like to add up the total number of times O’Bama(The second Irish President) interrupted Romney?

• Robert says:

He was rude, most rich WHITE PEOPLE ARE! AND THE MORMIN CHURCH IS RACIST INSTITUTION, THEY WOULD’NT EVEN LET M. JACKSON IN.

• oldtack says:

Not only is the Mormon selective they are not a Christian Faith. If anyone has doubts on that statement then I recommend they thoroughly peruse the writings of “The Book of Mormon” allegedly written by Moroni (the one with his statue adorning the steeple of Mormon Temples) and buried in the hillside near Palmyra, New York in 471 AD and “uncovered by divine guidance” by Joseph Smith in the 1820’s. After reading this “book” then juxtapose that information to the Holy Bible used by the Christian Faiths. You will be in for an eye opening revelation.

The Tea Party panics and flees from the thought of a Muslim in any form of power (their allegation of Obama’s “faith”) but readily accept someone from another heathen faith. ???

In my opinion – a radicla Mormon is every bit as much a threat to our Country as is a radical Muslim. Both want full power and if one but reads their “BOOK” and the doctrine of the Church they, like theMuslim Faith, believe they are the ONLY true faith and that ONLY they will be in Heaven – all others aare doomed to Hell as unbelievers.

One can have fun with this if one invites a couple of young bicycle riding neophyte missionaries into one’s home and delves into the “BOOK”.

• onedonewong says:

M jackson was a child molester that’s why, child molesters are moooslims just like Mohammmed

• lindablue says:

M Jackson was a Mormon just like Romney.

• onedonewong says:

Nope they wouldn’y let him in after e got kicked out of Rev Wrights church

• lindablue says:

• It would be interesting to find out his investments in various broadcast media! I’m positive he has some holdings!

• onedonewong says:

No one has ever accused barak of having any manners or debating skills. This what happens when some one who has never had to compete and gotten where he is due to quotas and set asides

• Rodney says:

did someone set aside your brain when the president was elect the frist thing that came out of the right was that they were going to make obama a one term president . that,s not going to happen. But if your only goal is to get that uppity N!!! OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE . THEN guess what you will do whatever it take to stop the poistion.the president goes at . Buy the way when did this become just your country i was taught that it was ours my bad.

• lindablue says:

• Did Mitt count the 47% in his calculation. Mitt act like a bully at on point I tought he was going to punch the President.

• Baloney, they must sleep under a rock!!!

• sigrid28 says:

The debate was further proof that the Republican party can only win by cheating.

• Bellfire says:

That is how Obama won!!

• Breaking News !!!!!! Now With The Rub Of His Magic Underwears Romney Now Said He Was Wrong For The 47% Comment!!! LOL Just More Flip Flopping As Always !! Romney Is One Lying Rat Bastard We Smart People Will Never Fall For His Bullshit!!! Voting Obama/Biden 2012 And Getting Rid Of All GOP/ Tea Party Members Out Of Office Cause They All Are Full Of SHIT!!!!

• Don says:

I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOUR BALONEY IS AWL ABOUT. YES AMERICAN PEOPLE DO TAKE IN A LOT OF PHONEY BALOGNA AND VOTE FOR THE WRONG PERSON. I MIGHT JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS.

• seagazer101 says:

Even scarier is the notion of raising the revenue after “lowering” my taxes he’s going to do away with deductions which save me from paying taxes I can’t live with on my income (which is lower than \$433,000). Loss of the home mortgage interest deduction, without which I can’t even itemize, will prevent me from claiming my extremely high medical costs, and so on. Great plan! NOT.

• Reaganomics worked real well . Ask Bill Clinton ….

• Hillbilly says:

@ Michael Stoll, Worked well for who? The millionaires and Billionaires that pocketed the extra money they got from Reaganomics because it sure as hell didn’t work for the thousands of us that got laid from our jobs because of trickle down economics. You must have never been laid off from a job and had trouble finding another like so many us that worked for over 50 years have. I got laid off twice in my life time and both times it was because of Republican economic policies. The first time it happened it took me 9 months, all my savings and money from my pension fund before I found another job. Then in 2004 Republican economic policy got me laid off again. I went through my unemployment benefits(which lasted a year), all my savings again and had to have money help from my siblings in order to keep a roof over my head, food and to pay medical expenses until I got old enough to take early retirement which I did not want to do but had no choice thanks to Bush 2 and The Republican Congress since I was one of the many older people that were laid off because of Republican economic policies . With the people in the Republican party that are running for public office like Romney and Ryan(who won’t explain what their plans for the country are if elected), I will not vote for any Republican especially people who will not or can’t explain what their exact plans tor the Country is , ones like Romney and Ryan.

• TZToronto says:

Sadly, a good chunk of the American electorate doesn’t bother with arithmetic that goes beyond adding and subtracting. For them, multiplication and division are just some of the I’ll-never-use-it stuff they were forced to learn in the 3rd and 4th grades. It’s just so much easier to take the word of someone who looks good over someone who’s telling them that the arithmetic doesn’t work. Why doesn’t it work? Geez, don’t make me think. Heck, Romney looks good, and why would he say something that isn’t true.

• Romney Is A Sociopath He Will Say Or Do Anything It Takes To Become President The Man Is A Low Life LIAR!!! Ten He Has The Nerve To Declare War On Sesame Street!!! What An Asshole!!!

• GoMeR says:

how can you tell the difference between romney supporters and obama supporters?

Romney Supporters sign the front of checks while obama supporters sign the back.

• onedonewong says:

we know that barak’s socialism hasn’t work and only created \$10 Trillion in new debt

• 345_719 says:

I think it ‘s working just fine. He saved the auto industry and all that money has been paid back. Look at all the jobs that was saved there. He bailed out the banks and that has also been paid back. What the hell do you want in such a short time?

• onedonewong says:

Don’t read much HUH??? Saved the auto industry?? Hmm 7 out of every 10 vehicles GM produces are made somewhere OTHER than the US. GM is moving their R&D to China. There is \$30B in GM debt that will never be repaid EVER….If GM was so important WHY didn’t the other countries where GM has a presence help bail them out??
The Banks were bailout but of course why??? It was Dodds and Frank and their Community Reinvestment Act that cause the problem in the 1st place. Yet we never see dems standing tall and taking credit for it…how come???
What do I want him to do RESIGN. the Presidency is no place for a rank amateur

• goodcats2 says:

Why don’t you ask Mr. Bain Capital aka Willard Mitt Romney to take back the companies he outsourced to CHINA, then thousands over thousand would have jobs here!

• lindablue says:

Yeah how many Billions will we get back from Blackwater during their war profiteering? At least GM provides american jobs unlike the war profiteer Blackwater. Why did you vote in Bush if the Presidency is no place for amentures after all ever business Bush ran went bankrupted. Oh yeah that is what he did to the country too bankrupted it.

• Bikerfan says:

This doesn’t even take into consideration all the thousands of people working for PBS whose jobs Romney wants to eliminate or any of the other positions he wants to downsize. You take those into consideration and he’s going to have to create more than 162 million jobs

• daniel bostdorf says:

When a candidate for President like Mitt Romney, and his running mate, lies, distorts the truth, pushes right wing propaganda on us…..it’s worse than “fuzzy math.” Particularly when they are blatant lies. Romney likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda.

We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

Example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy: ROMNEY: “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.” HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons. ROMNEY LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.
ANOTHER LIE BY ROMNEY: He stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
HERE ARE THE FACTS: ROMNEY LIED about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. EVEN MORE FACTS: Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. ROMNEY’S LIES are resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.
Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

“Fuzzy math” propaganda disguised as truth in a national presidential debate. Disgusting.

Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

or as Adolph Hitler stated: “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

Romney/Ryan: Keep giving us lies and “fuzzy math.” Because we will hold you accountable for your flip flops, and etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. …

• nocking says:

Obama couldn’t do it because he is not a good president. He is just a reader and we all saw it @
last wednesday debate . How do we have to even compare Obama to Romney? Romney is way better in everything in life than Obama.

2. GodfearingAmerican says:

dghdj

3. Does anybody wonder how much tax he owes the US for his hidden investments and banks in Switzerland, Germany, the Caiman Islands, etc. etc.?

4. Bob says:

Romney is not only laughable, but his Math is nothing short of incompetent and I am a Math teacher.

5. WhutHeSaid says:

The numbers don’t add up, but guess what? Right-wing nut-bags don’t believe in that newfangled science stuff. They believe in hate, fear and lies.

The GOP has undertaken an entirely new political strategy: Bald-faced whoppers. Nothing could warm the black little hearts of the Tea Bigots more than a candidate who is willing to spew whoppers to the entire American electorate with a straight face., while plotting all manner of nasty surprises for those who can’t (or won’t) donate millions to his campaign.

Do you think Big Bird is the only one who needs to worry? What will happen to this country if we elect a President who won’t tell the truth, despises at least half of the population, and hides money overseas to shirk his tax liabilities? Even the audience who watches Sesame Street knows that this is bad behavior — and they don’t even need Big Bird or The Count to help them figure it out.

• Guess what ? you are going to create jobs and make cuts . That will work as less people will also be dependent on Govt . It’s a slam dunk policy that has historically worked and you want to argue semantics …Liberals put the crayons away . Our country is too important for you all to do what Obama does and that is twist the truth . Look this has history behind it and wo does what Obama wants to do . All you have to do is look at Greece for Obama’s view or if you prefer look at Illinois and California

• WhutHeSaid says:

What a load of unmitigated bullshit. All you need to do is look at Michigan and Ohio, places where Romney wanted to throw one of the most important industries under the bus.

Look, we get it — you have no good ideas so you must resort to lies. The Republican brand is sinking lower and lower, and it’s not just because it’s the party that panders to intolerant rednecks, rather, it’s become the party OF intolerant rednecks. You celebrate stupidity and hate, again — we get it. But it doesn’t mean we’ll buy it.

After Obama wins this election, it will be time for the GOP to do a bit of soul-searching and figure out how it got hijacked by vile, despicable, lying bigots. You may like stupid, but that doesn’t mean that the rest of America IS stupid.

• zola98 says:

Actually America will be like Greece if Romney and Ryan win in November. Their problems were people were not paying enough taxes, some none jut like the Romneys and their ilk and the Government went on a spending spree during after their Olympics then crooks on Wall Street went over there and snookered them creating even more debts. A country cannot survive if citizens don’t pay their fair share of taxes. There are too many loopholes in the tax code that people like Romney are abusing and manipulating to pay as little or no taxes at all. Why do you think he won’t release his tax returns, I bet there have been years when he has not paid any which he doesn’t want American to know because he knows the outcome if it’s revealed.

• 345_719 says:

It’s a slamdunk alright right in ths toilet!!

• Liqsandre8 says:

Wow! What a marvelousy actor. He can lie not only with a straight face but exuding so much confidence that people who do not bother to check his figures will blindly believe him. His hundreds of hours rehearsing for the debate did pay off. You have to give him that. Thank you Mr. Howard Hill for pointing out to us the fallacy of his arguments. If you did not point this out, I would not have bothered to check. I checked your computations against his figures. You are right. His figures are all wrong.

6. I will vote for Obama any way I don’t care about Romney

7. garyls says:

the public will not think this through. they look at how they each did last night. romney clearly was on message, forceful, in command. obama was asleep at the wheel. he did not strike out, fight back, criticize the romney statements. that is what the public saw.

obama better get his tush in gear for the next two or he is down and out.

8. Tonya says:

First, were trickled on. Next, we could be roof racked.

9. Romney like other Republicans lowesr taxes for everyone when there is a change. However, Romney is determined not to raise taxes for the wealthy. Romney went back and forth with the President concerning his plan like Pres. Clinton to raise taxes for the rich.

10. dggrundhoffer says:

Same Republican plan which got us in trouble prior to 2008. And to deregulate banking and Wall Street as he wants would destroy us. But he has his money overseas and so does his billionaire supporters. His money is safe. He is t rying to buy the office. Will we let him. Do not want to call him King Milt!!! I do not. Think about your choice and your future under King Milt!!!!

• daniel bostdorf says:

I agree.

• CPANY says:

I don’t think that Romney wants to ruin the country. I think that he’s unaware of what his actions will cause to happen.

• dggrundhoffer says:

True But his lack of foresight is not good for a President. Therefore he is driven to win by his party. His party will instill or has instilled policies which will destroy our country.

• CPANY says:

I agree. Same with Dubya Bush, except that Romney appears to be much smarter than Bush. The smartest thing that Bush did after his administration ended was to hole up in Crawford, Texas and keep his mouth shut.

11. grammyjill says:

I suck at math and even I know it won’t work.

12. When you take money away from education,you are left with a populace with no idea of how to debunk the Romney B.S. Just the kind of electorate the right appeals to!

13. I’m sure you Liberals have never heard of cutting spending?

• daniel bostdorf says:

The article is about Romney’s fuzzy math and blatant lying…..nothing about liberals.

Quouting article:
“The bottom line?

Romney’s real problem is that when he talks numbers, the numbers never add up.”

And that is the truth.

• sc42 says:

Well except Romney is going to increase defense by 2T. But ok 1.3T of cuts. No cuts to Social Security, Medicare, or defense. That means you cut the rest of the government ALL OF IT. Is that Romney’s plan?

14. This article should be required reading for everybody before anybody is handed a ballot in November.

15. bwmconst says:

Rommynomicks….or Bammagymmics
Let’s see all the Chinese moved here and all the Indians, that would provide cheap labor, and then we all move to South America and Africa, and penguins move to the North Pole, would that be a planetary shift, or just shifty…And then sign up the penguins for sub-prime mortgages, to drive prices to near zero, then all foreign investments would be null and void…Hey, no debt and rally cheap housing….What more could anyone want….And then we all move back to where we started, except the penguins, who are now new food for polar bears….Arrrrggghhhh!!!!

16. The media said romney won the debare but did he, the middle class is not falling for romney math as well as ryan’s. They have one thing they want to accomplish and that is for them to lower the middle class down to the poor. If they win this election they will put in their own supreme court and make it that for years we will not be able to decide anything for our lives, they will do it all.

• CPANY says:

Romney will say what he thinks people want to hear. His message is: “Tell me what you want to hear and I’ll say it.” He’s a true demagogue.

On that basis, Romney won. He said what the middle class wants to hear: new jobs and lower taxes. That’s why only twenty-eight percent of the undecided voters polled last night
considered Obama’s performance

17. Do you really believe the B.S. you just wrote? Half the people stay home because they want to. That’s such a load of crap! Have you ever heard of returning Vets? What about parents with sick children? How about people who are retired? As for your coal mines; boy the Koch brothers got their moneys worth with the like of you and those like you. Coal is polluting our air and water. What good is having money when you can’t breath or the is nothing to drink? I guess you believed the cigarette execs what the said smoking doesn’t cause cancer? If you believe all that BS have I got a bridge to sell you!!

18. Didi Paano says:

Johnny…..what you don’t seem to realize is that those individuals you state that are “staying home and accepting a free handout” include disabled, senior citizens, etc. Plus, most of them are not getting a “free” handout….they’re getting the Social Security and Medicare monies that they paid for when they WERE working.
As for shutting down coal mines…..new energy sources will provide better jobs for miners (and much safer jobs). Obviously, you’re one of the ones who can’t do the fuzzy Romney math!!!

• 345_719 says:

I’m one of those people who stay home and don’t work because I’m retired and I pay 20% taxes on my retirerment . So you can kiss my ass also!!!

19. cpwill63 says:

Mitt Romney Know what he doing , he did it in Mass. Just like Ronald Regan did in Calif. We could have another great President. What Obama said when we elected him 4 years ago that in 3 1/2 Years he was going to creat more job didn’t happen, also the dept would be going down that didn’t happen. Obama care is not really plan that good why alot of small bussiness will not creat more jobs. Can we aford 4 more years of unemployeement, plus Obama has already sign a bill where medicare will be going up over 200.00 a month. Can you afford this new hike. Let do something and make a chance.

• johninPCFL says:

Exactly. Reagan added \$4T to the national debt in 8 years, Romney left Massachussetts \$13B in debt when he left even though he was required to balance the budget annually.

20. The writer of this article is in the very least simplistic and partisan, and probably also a functional idiot. I’m pretty sure he knows full well that the only income derived from a working person’s salary is not restricted to personal income tax. If you had a population of 100 people, and only half were earning money, that means that each person supports two people. (50 workers support 100 people) If you put 25 of those idle to work, suddenly the math changes dramatically, with 75 people supporting 100 people, or each person supporting 1 1/3 people. so it’s not just the increasing money coming in, it’s the decreasing money going out. And what happens to the money the new earners don’t pay in income tax? They SPEND it! This increases the amount of money in play in the economy, and there is a multiplier effect which everyone who ever took ECON 101 understands. Except, apparently, the writer of this article.

21. Mr. Romney and the entire GOP band of robbers have shown what they are really about at the State level for the past 2 years…if they get the executive office, they will complete their creation of a Caste Society…the have it alls and the have nothing…it will be a return to the model created by the mine owners…we own the house, we own the company store…hell, we own you….

22. bruce says:

why is Yahoo for Obama?it’s enough to make me want to look someplace else plain and simple the worst economy we ever it’s not all is full so that it belongs to George Bush Junior but he’s done nothing to change it

23. obama has had 4 years to do something and he hasn’t more people unemployeed and making less.I am now on medicare, my prescription drugs under medicare are 5 times teh cost of what they were under Aetna. Next year my medicare premium doubles and in 2014 it doubles again. Since i started out in middle of year on Obama care made me start out with my deduction again. I had already made my deduction minimums at end of June, was forced on medicare in July had to start deduction credits all over. Then in Jan will be reset to zero again. Republicans nor dems care, as long as big corporations pay them and fly them on there private jets.Ford did not take bailout and was most succesful. Chrysler took bail out, fiat bought Chrysler, Fiat got bail out money and now may have to file bakruptcy in Europe after they spent our money

24. A basic equation in economics is:

Federal deficits – Net Imports = Net Private Savings.

Because U.S. Net Imports exceed \$500 billion, the federal deficit must be at least \$500 billion, just for Net Private Savings to be \$0.

In 2012, Net Private Savings came to about \$2 trillion, and still our recovery is slow. For a more robust recovery, we need Net Private Savings to exceed \$2 trillion.

Think about it folks, the next time you advocate a deficit reduction.

Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

If not for being born into wealth, Mitt would be selling used cars somewhere.

26. PaulF says:

It was clear to me listening to the first hour that Mitt really really really wants to keep the middle class working and have more of them working to pay more taxes. Sorry does not add up. Now as for Obama he has tried and it is not working quite the way he thought. Both sides need to man up and fix it and stop blaming everyone ENOUGH!!

27. Hugh says:

1 envolope+1 absentee bballot+1pen+stamp =4? Wrong equals 1 vote for President Obama

28. THE19THOLE says:

Mitt was born with a Silver Spoon and just doesn’t understand what it’s like, “To do without”.
So, VooDoo Economics makes perfect sense to him and his cronies.
The numbers just don’t add up.

If by some miracle, Mitt does get elected President…….We can ALL look forward to seeing ‘Big Bird’ (LIVE) on the World Stage.

Obviously, Mitt doesn’t want to acknowledge the Sins of The Past Regime ( Under ” W ” )
OR ELSE,
He would have spent the last eighteen months, surrounding himself with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al
OR AT LEAST
Allowed them to speak at the Republican National Convention.

Sláinte

ps

What happened to the “Tea Baggers” ?

29. tsue_Yang says:

Mtitt Romney is only a mad dog, I don’t think he knows how much money the Government need to keep the whole United States Government system running.

30. Hugh says:

Mitts says “just buy the car, I’ll tell you the price later”, TRUST me.

31. JOEL K says:

What are your qualifications to assess the economy? Formal education and concrete economical experience. I have an AA, BA, MA and a PHD. I know math and statistics.
The federal government does not function logically and rationally.
Both parties sell snake medicine and use illusions to hide reality.
Economy is simple. The government takes in money and spends money.
A family does the same thing; Earn money and spend money.
No family can spend more money than what they have without going broke.
America is broke. America is living off barrowed money. How long can this continue?
Neither Obama, Democrats, or Romney, Republicans, are addressing the issue of simple math.
You can not spend more than what you earn.

32. tsue_Yang says:

During the Presidential debate, Mitt Romney talk too much, but didn’t make any sense due to he doesn’t know the solution. He is not a real businessman, he closed down Bain Capital, he is a failures businessman. Mitt Romney only qualify to call him self “I am President of Olympic games” Not the President of the United States of America.

33. Hugh says:

Mitts problem with math stems from his piles of money. When he wants/needs something he just grabs a handful and buys it. No need to count the pennies there is plently left. No need to be concerned about dollars and cents but dosent know difference between millions, billions and trillions.

34. carpenterthomas6 says:

Carolyn, I agree accept President Reagan Loved this Country and would not hold it hostage just for political gain. NO, He’s no Reagan! He’s not even Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ! The Republicans that would vote for Mr. Romney over President Obama (the only Christ follower in this race) are hypocrites!

35. Out of that so called 47% that Romney “referred too, half are “retirees” that were “forced out of their jobs at an early age”,(so big companies can make a “bigger profit” by hiring “entry level workers’) now “without medical benefits because they “are too young to qualify for “medicare”, and not making enough money to pay their everyday neccesary bills, let alone “healthcare” for their families. These people were used to a “good paying job” that bought them extra luxeries like second summer homes, vacations, college tuition”, now all gone .Forcing them “out of their lifelong good paying jobs, well, “that didn’t help the economy”. These people are not “freeloaders”. They are “hurting”.They(the ones old enough to qualify for SS are “even working low paying part time jobs to supplement their incomes. These people “put into the system. They are not, as someone in this commet section was quoated as saying “getting handouts”. They are making their way, the best they can with rising gas pricing, utilities, etc. So, if they are “entitled to food stamps”…well, so “be it”. These hardworking people, have to chose “between eating or buying medicine”. President Obama, wants to help these types of “everyday people”. Why, because he saw “his grandmother struggle”. There are also “many single moms out there, trying their “best”, because of a divorce they didn’t “ask for”. They do “not get “free handouts” as people might state. The state has programs, where these “moms” have to “put in so many hours of work at a non profit Host agency”. They are not “getting paid”, but it’s a “trade off/win/win situation”. They learn skills, that hopefully, will one day get them a job. Once “they are free from raising their children “alone” the kids are ion school allday, and they “can work”. I’ve seen these programs in action. President Obama has given grants to “make this possible”. There are strict rules”. Nobody is “getting a free “handout”.In fact, “once a mom or dad “finds even “part time work” at JUST “average wage”, the local DHS office, “cuts their monthly food allowence according to “what they bring home in pay”.Those “are the facts”. By the way, Public Television is one of the “few” tv stations that “doesn’t promote crap, fifhly language and insane “reality shows”. So “again”, Mitt Romney “stuck his foot in his mouth”. I’m an “indepenant voter”, raised a democrate….I just want “honest answers”.
Yes, if you are an “American” and have been fortunate to make a living that’s “way above average”, be “proud” to pay all your taxes, without getting tax cuts”. That will help “the deficient”.

36. Guess what ? you are going to create jobs and make cuts . That will work as less people will also be dependent on Govt . It’s a slam dunk policy that has historically worked and you want to argue semantics …Liberals put the crayons away . Our country is too important for you all to do what Obama does and that is twist the truth . Look this has history behind it and wo does what Obama wants to do . All you have to do is look at Greece for Obama’s view or if you prefer look at Illinois and California

37. BILL B says:

I haven’t forgot what he thinks of us working class the other 47% that he doesn’t like. I will pay him back when I vote for Pre. Obama!

38. ministerdwightsmith says:

Mitt Romney is dreaming he has sent more jobs over seas and while Americans go without jobs here in the States, Mitt Romney also lied about caring for the middle class knowing he will raise taxes and the Rich will get richer and the Middle Class will slip under to being poor and the poor will just be a number as to adding mre shelter for more people becoming homeless.

39. CPANY says:

What’s wrong with this website? The previous postings keep repeating.

40. Harold_W says:

I could never support anyone who wanted to defund Big Bird! I will say that while I do agree that there is a lot of waste in the Federal Government, but let’s get real, what is spent on PBS and its programs are way down on the list of Federal Spending. Besides PBS is good healthy television for my gramdchildren and me. It is much better for them to watch this than some of the junk on the national networks! A senior citizen and tax paying voter

41. Gilbert says:

42. lana ward says:

The hacks are busy already trying to undo Obama’s damage he did to himself last night

43. TZToronto says:

The only Obama-related energy issue I question is “clean coal.” It’s an oxymoron, at least at present. It’s ecologically damaging, it’s dangerous to miners, and it pollutes the atmosphere. If the coal industry can really do something about cleaning up coal-related issues, then perhaps clean coal can become a reality. There’s plenty of the stuff to run America, but right now it’s just plain dirty.

44. TZToronto says:

The people who would read it are already convinced. The others wouldn’t read something they can’t understand–too much of that arithmetic stuff.

45. fastfootedd says:

or better yet Salt Lake city… why not become Morman morons.

46. blueclouds123 says:

Sure President Obama was not at his best last night, but if you remember what Romney has said in the past you will certainly know from last night he is a liar. Romney changes his stand whenever it is necessary to fit the situation he is in at the moment. Do NOT forget Romney owes a lot of people and has to pay them back for the big donnations given to him. Romney does not care for you only that he wins, closes the deal, and gets rewarded.

47. hjs3 says:

The boy is a huckster……plain and simple

48. rodeo_man32 says:

Obama was the grass and Romney was the Lawn mower

49. Perry L Mamon Jr says:

Mitt Romney’s ideas are hypothetical! He has no real facts, and no agenda.
He is merely saying what White America wants to hear! So what if he’s done
well in Massachusetts government. That State is nothing compared to the
State of Illinois in size, so what is he so hyped up about? It is not the United States
of America. Here is another Sarah Palin, only he’s male.

50. lindablue says:

Remember every dime he gives to a corporation we make up. How will Mitt Romney address the 92 billion dollars given as corporate welfare at tax payer expense annually?

51. Bob Williams says:

In early 2009, President Obama said, “today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office.”

Really, Obama? Really? You doubled the deficit. There is a difference. Was he lying? Only if his lips were moving.

• lindablue says:

Who could make a deal with the devils in the Republican Party?

• lindablue says:

How about a pledge to make your life better by cutting taxes and giving you a smaller government? Isn’t that what the last GOP snake oil salesman told you?
During the George W. Bush administration, the federal government spending was increased from \$1789 billion to \$2983 billion (70%) but the revenues were only increased from \$2025 billion to \$2524 billion (25%). Individual income tax revenues were increased by 14%, corporate tax revenues by 50%, customs and duties by 40%. Discretionary defense spending was increased by 107%, discretionary domestic spending by 62%, Medicare spending by 131%, social security by 51%, and income security spending by 130%. Cyclically adjusted, revenues rose by 35% and spending by 65%. [3]
Also proportionally Bush increased government spending more than any predecessor since LBJ (including).[4] At least under LBJ your mama got Social Security.

52. elw says:

No kidding, but then anyone who could think would know that Romney’s numbers cannot possibly add up. And of course the Media only wants to talk about demeanor instead of substance; And was more concerned about why the President didn’t bring-up the 47% statement then the fact the much of what Romney said last night was not based on facts, were out and out lies, and certainly not the same policies he has been pushing for the past year and half. I thought Romney was amazing last night, he actually completely misrepresented his policies; used information that he is well aware is untrue and had the chutzpah to call President Obama a liar. That the math does work is the least of Romney’s problems, it’s his character and ethics that will keep him from winning the Presidency. Americans do not like pretenders and he manages to pretend to be someone else every day. Who is the real Romney? Does anyone know?

53. johnt says:

Republicans are horrible at doing math. GW said the Iraq War would only cost \$50 billion.
The \$2.3 trillion the Pentagon disappeared in 2001 hasn’t reappeared. I don’t think anyone is looking for it officially.

54. hlgbahamas says:

Mitt Romney destroyed Obama. Obama needs his teleprompter. He was /is pathetic.

55. gerrywil says:

Anyone with common sense know that Rommey thinks he is talking to people that are idiots.

56. montanabill says:

It is truly amazing that those who cry about ‘tax breaks for the rich’, suddenly develop a different religion when someone says, “I’ll cut those.” If you were lying about the ‘big tax breaks’, are you telling the truth now?

• lindablue says:

Not me I want all tax rates to go back to what they were before Bush Jr. That is how we pay for the 2 unpaid for wars, the senior prescription plan, and the 3 unpaid for tax breaks Bush Jr. spent on a credit card. Oh and the new government department he created.

• montanabill says:

Obama said he wanted thousands of new math and science teachers. You are one of the reasons why I agreed with him.

• lindablue says:

During the George W. Bush administration, the federal government spending was increased from \$1789 billion to \$2983 billion (70%) but the revenues were only increased from \$2025 billion to \$2524 billion (25%). Individual income tax revenues were increased by 14%, corporate tax revenues by 50%, customs and duties by 40%. Discretionary defense spending was increased by 107%, discretionary domestic spending by 62%, Medicare spending by 131%, social security by 51%, and income security spending by 130%. Cyclically adjusted, revenues rose by 35% and spending by 65%. [3]
Also proportionally Bush increased government spending more than any predecessor since LBJ (including).[4]
Republican policies in black and white my friend.

• montanabill says:

I’m sure you realize that after the Bush tax cuts, revenues to the government increased to their historic highs of \$5.2 trillion for 2007, nearly\$2 trillion more than the prior tax rates had generated. Guess which party controlled the Congress that spent that additional revenue, which, by the way, was more than enough to pay for the things you mentioned?

• lindablue says:

During the George W. Bush administration, the federal government spending was increased from \$1789 billion to \$2983 billion (70%) but the revenues were only increased from \$2025 billion to \$2524 billion (25%). Individual income tax revenues were increased by 14%, corporate tax revenues by 50%, customs and duties by 40%. Discretionary defense spending was increased by 107%, discretionary domestic spending by 62%, Medicare spending by 131%, social security by 51%, and income security spending by 130%. Cyclically adjusted, revenues rose by 35% and spending by 65%. [3]
Also proportionally Bush increased government spending more than any predecessor since LBJ (including).[4]

57. petersonr6 says:

This debate reeks of Sarah Palin in 2008 at first people she sounded plausible- then when the media dug deeper they realized there was nothing there- It is that way with Romney- he is going to close tax loop holes and take away tax deductions. Sounds good, but there is no specificity. The government runs on specific numbers and facts- not made up numbers and lofty unrealistic goals. There is no way he can balance a budget and still give tax breaks to the millionaires/billionaires without taxing the middle class. This will not create jobs and without jobs the government looses additional revenue. He has already said that he regards 47% of us as victims who want the government to give us everything- so in response he gives us additional taxes. How generous. No one would trust someone who stashes millions in off shore accounts to avoid taxes and then talks about tax policy- for him the only policy is not to pay them.

58. gerrywil says:

Anyone with common sense know that Rommey thinks he is talking to people that are idiots.

59. RR3 says:

Romney and Ryan are both liars….but unless they’re proven wrong…..the lies will stick…

60. I think the next debate will give Mitt a different look at what our President is really like. You know to listen to Romney saying, I won’t reduce tax breaks on the rich and I won’t raise taxes on the middle class, I guess means the poor really better look out if this guy gets into the White House.. Did you notice Romney mentioned removing deductions?? Hell Bush already did that didn’t he ?? Romney also mentioned the vouchers for Medicare and also Education. Vouchers for Education is total destruction of our education system. Someone who is a single woman with two children could not get a good enough voucher to help get those kids in a good school.. only the wealthy would end up in the better schools and everyone else would be left in the regular system, which would be drained by Romneys answer to Education. Most of what Romney talked about seemed to be a recording. .as I heard it about three times and it was always the same wording. At least the President didnt sound like a robot and he had a lot more respect for his counter part, unlike Romney who was very rude and saying just the oppisite of what he said a few weeks back. Why is this guy still running for President? He has no respect for woman and if he did he would have done some thing to help those young females in slave labor in China that were producing his Appliances for about three years. Romney has no respect for our hard working Americans as he bought companies, took out huge loans on them, let them default and then put the employees out in the street. Those workers were Americans, people who were keeping this country strong and Romney got rid of them, pocketed the money he took out on loans, closed the plants and sold all of the parts and equipment. He took the technology to China for them to produce. Is this what we call an American? I remember when someone took anything like technology to a country like China, they would be shot. You see times have changed haven’t they? Romney take money from the Cartel to start the business he had and he took more money to run for President.. do you think he owes them favors ?? I don’t care to pay for any favors that Romney owes.
We keep hearing about Romney and his plans, but they are so secret that even the X-FILES are more open. Personally I feel Romney has no idea of what he wants other then the office of President. Our President is doing what he can to make things happen and any other person who would have taken the office of President four years ago would have been faced with the same problems and the same situations today. Our President has started to put regulation on banks and Wall Street which has really been needed for some time. We are getting better every day..

Nice breakdown, thanks!

62. Fubom says:

I saw a great performance last night. I saw someone take the stage and play Mitt Romney the compassionate. I saw someone take the stage and play Mitt Romney the wise. I saw someone take the stage and play Mitt Romney the fair. The problem is, it wasn’t Mitt Romney. The Mitt Romney on that stage last night lied about everything he has been campaigning on for the past year. He lied, and lied and lied, over and over again. He will have a hard time denying the lies, because in this digital age of social media his lies can be exposed in a heartbeat. Mr. Romney seems to forget that once you say something it is out there forever now, and immediately available. The biggest lie of the night: That he is unaware of any laws that give a tax break to companies that offshore jobs. WOW!!!! That was a good one. We got a glimpse of the man who would be CEO of the United States of America last night. A bully who follows only the rules he lays down. A man that sucks the air out of any room he enters. The Boss. The man who respects only wealth.

• concernedgran says:

He also kept talking about what he did in his state, over and over. After the debates I checked the polls in his state, and they love him so much that in three different national polls he is running 15 – 28 % behind president Obama. He may win the election, but then again there may be too many smart people who see thru what he said last night and what he has been saying for the last 18 months.

63. Peter says:

Hmmm. So we should believe that The Dem’s and Obama will fix the budget deficit, and Hope that the next four years will be better? That Green energy will solve the energy problems of sky high gas? …….. Hmmm I don’t think so!

• lindablue says:

Clinton and the dem did so why wouldn’t Obama and the dems do the same?

• lindablue says:

Clinton and the dem did so why wouldn’t Obama and the dems do the same?

• 345_719 says:

Takes time idiot!!

• lindablue says:

Maybe you should remind Peter that it only took 40 years of Republican policies to melt down the economy. That Bill Clinton balanced our deficit in 8 years.

• lindablue says:

During the George W. Bush administration, the federal government spending was increased from \$1789 billion to \$2983 billion (70%) but the revenues were only increased from \$2025 billion to \$2524 billion (25%). Individual income tax revenues were increased by 14%, corporate tax revenues by 50%, customs and duties by 40%. Discretionary defense spending was increased by 107%, discretionary domestic spending by 62%, Medicare spending by 131%, social security by 51%, and income security spending by 130%. Cyclically adjusted, revenues rose by 35% and spending by 65%. [3]
Also proportionally Bush increased government spending more than any predecessor since LBJ (including).[4]
Republican policies in black and white. Read it and weep.

Flim Flam Flip Flop! There was a picture from a high school where he was campaigning=there was 2 giant letter signs in the background that said it all! B S

65. Romney thinks Americans are so gullible that they will accept anything from his mouth. Romney stands for everything, so he says everything that he thinks Americans want to hear, because he thinks by doing so he will be elected. Woe unto him.

66. Romney, Americans are not gullible. It is now clear that you stand for everything and are prepared to say anything you think the voters want to hear. But remember that you cannot fool everyone.

67. Carl says:

Romney lied the entire night

68. JoseY says:

This is just normal to romney. A professional liar and manipulator who talk too much without sincerity. He should think twice before he utters his words and think Americans are not dumb.

69. Honeycomb says:

I hated the constant smirk in his face!!

70. romey is not rude he is just stupit and if anyone fall’s for that mes he was talking i have a bridge in manatthan to sell. i am so happy that others saw what i saw if you notice his face red that’s because he was lieing and he knew it and so did i with that crazy smile on his face he does not have a clue he want’s to get ride of big bird so that tell you what he is going to do for the 47% that man is nuts will show him nov 6

71. Honeycomb says:

I hated Romneys’ constant smirk in his face!! Arrogant!!

72. Lynda says:

That is a very nice analysis of Mitt problem with math. There is nothing new here, but the problem is that those who believe Mitt kicked butt last night will never see this. They’ve moved on and we are left with the fact checkers and the Obama campaign trying to make up for last nights disaster. Some have suggested a roop-a-dope method was used by Obama last night to bring out the real Romney. If so that was obviously a great mistake. The VP will have to pull the nuts out of the fire next week and Obama had better come out swinging and bring his A game the next couple of rounds. I believe that Romney’s best chance was last night due to the subject matter. It has been obviously the entire campaign that his only hope is in the economic arena where he can offer samantics in place of sound fiscal practice. It also helps if you cast aside all logic, reality and semblance of honesty.

73. kl3141 says:

I watched Obama and understand what he did. Since Romney was so rude and kept interupting, Obama decided to let him make a fool out of himself. I can not imagine Ramney in front of foreign diplomates and interupting them when he wanted to. What a joke he is. Obama all the way!!!!!!!!

74. The debate has not changed my mind one bit!! Romney will say anything to get elected. When he goes behind closed doors, and he got caught, he will say what he really thinks! His job is to NOT WORRY ABOUT THE 47%. A debate does not show what a man truly thinks and feels in his heart. He practiced a long time to do the play act….I DO NOT TRUST HIM.

75. Wayco says:

Those notes the President was taking will come back to hunt Mitt Romney. It is hard to believe Obama allowed this to happen without some kind of under cover come back.

Why are you so surprised at Mitt’s figures? He has no idea what he is talking about and just gets a fugure stuck in his head like the 17.6 billion Obama took from Medicare. I can see where he could balance the budget by eliminating the 47% ers. They are not his problem so he’ll just let them starve and be deone with them.. He does remind me of Reagan with the babbling retoric.
Why didn’t obama correct him on his figures and all the lies he made?Why did Obama stand there like a school boy being scolded by the teacher. Romney chastized and lied thruout the debate and was never corrected?He left him self wide open to be corrected, but no one did.

77. seagazer, no surprise about Mitt being Rude doing the Debate.. he`s shown that side of himself many times. Guess he thought he had to get all the points of Interest out to the Voters ??? I think the “47 % remark” was Rude to the American People also. If you notice, People that are Very Rich, are Rude Many times to those they concern beneath them.

78. Robert says:

See thats how these guys get us ,if a lie sounds good , no if a lie sounds real good. we know its still a lie, but we hope that its a little lie not a big one. so Omaba had a off day, so did M.Jordon,and we still loved him.At the same time on some of his best days he still lose, and we loved him anyway. he showed for every game because he knew we still loved him. If we let looking good and sounding steal our vote we all loose. Joe Friday said,” just the facts ma’am just the facts.” You will be sorry!noone could have fix what was wrong with this country in four years, But we have seen some progress. change now would be the wrong thing to do.

79. Please do not act like Mitt. We are in the same boat. I am sure you are one of the 47% Mitt was talking about.

80. Robert says:

Don’t forget the eigthteen months before debate, thats who Mitt romney really is……….. And Ryan is wrose.

81. The tape that recall Mitt talking to his friends about the 47% of americans living on welfare. Yesterday he was talking about all of us and you call the president a liar. The President act like a stateman, not like a bully

82. That is what is so strange about the president’s demeanor. He had so many opportunities to rebut the Governor but simply did not. Im chalking that up to a bad game which he has now got to have a short memory of. Even I could see that Romney’s entire delivery was based on a very weak foundation. 25 years of business experience and he states that he didn’t know what the president was talking about when he said that outsourcing allowed for tax breaks was perfect chance for the president to agree that his lack of understanding was indicative of someone who does not seem to understand or empathize with 46% of the people in this country! The president needs to let him know who the president is and that the reason that Romney cannot really relate to the working man is because very few people who have not worked for the past 6 years like he has takes home over 14 million dollars like he did this year. Mitt Romney is very good at crunching the numbers that he creates in his head simply because he is good at putting profits over people and dismissing 46% of the lazy shiftless poor and working men and women that he failed to realize accounts for nearly 150 million people. It is clear to me that Romney’s ignorance is surpassed only by those who are voting for him. And finally, Romney stated that America spends 42% of its GNP with no response from the president when the truth of the matter is that we actually spent only 23% of the GNP last year which is down one % from the year before. Mr President, if I can come up with these figures and fact check them with those who know, surely you have enough folks working for you that can do the same. You must do your homework. This is no time to be skipping school and resting on your laurels. You must be the last person Romney sees as he crawls across the finish line marked, “I give up.”

• My sense is that the president was totally in disbelief that a candidate for president would lower himself in front of the entire nation to the point of a total lying machine. Here was Mitt totally disavowing everything that the RNC had put together as its plank and bold face lying in saying, no this isn’t what I’m going to do when what he was disclaiming is not only written on his website its cast in stone by the RNC. I think he felt defenseless without having some of these things written down nearby that he could point to and say “Mitt you’re lying through your teeth.”

• 345_719 says:

I think the President did the right thing by not responding to rommney on some things.By not saying anything he let rommney spout crap and put his foot in his mouth.

83. President Obama and campaign adds need to graph and show this on television about how Romneys plan is impossible unless he raids intitlements which he wants to make voluntary so our children will never have any real security for healthcare or social security.

84. bud2011 says:

Romney answered the questions and corrected the myths spoken by Obama. It was very clear that Romney showed leadership while Obama cringed and slumped at the lecturn. It was interesting to see Obama, who is usually surrounded by sycophants, meet someone who challanged his comments and destroyed his arguments. Obama clearly demonstrated that he is inept and that his failed term at the presidency needs to be replaced by a leader that undersands the problem and has experience in the private and public sector. Adios Obozo.

85. Yu-Yin Ling says:

Math is off, true. But creating jobs…well that is a plus. Have not seen much in the way of delivery from Obama. In fact I don’t think we’ve seen much from him in the first place. I think neither candidate is worth anything. Obama should be fired, thrown out on the street, and Romney should not be elected. Instead we need to treat the presidency as a lottery. Like jury duty for the well educated. Take a list of PhDs in economics, political science, ect. Pick one and send them a letter telling them when to show up at the White house.

Let’s face facts. Obama is a terrible president, almost as bad as Bush. Bush beat up third world countries, Obama brings you the experience, and Romney will probably sell america to one.

• daniel bostdorf says:

Yu-Yin Ling….

When a candidate for President. Mitt Romney, and his running mate, lies, distorts the truth, pushes right wing propaganda on us…..it’s worse than “fuzzy math.”

Particularly when there are blatant lies.

Romney likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda.

We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

Yu-Yin Ling….Here’s another example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy: ROMNEY: “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.” HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons. ROMNEY LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE BY  ROMNEY: He stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” HERE ARE THE FACTS:  ROMNEY LIED about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. EVEN MORE FACTS: Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. ROMNEY’S LIES are resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

In addition, Yu-Yin Ling, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%.
Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real intentions.

Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

Yu-Yin Ling….Propaganda and lies disguised as truth in a national presidential debate. Disgusting.

Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

or as Adolph Hitler stated: ”Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

Romney/Ryan: Keep giving us lies and “fuzzy math.” Because you are afraid we will hold you accountable for your flip flops, and etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. …

You fascist folks here that post have every right to be a fascist.

But behind your fascism is stupidity. Ignorance, a highly uneducated view of the world, no sense of history and a host of other personality traits that are unbecoming of being an informed citizen.

But you DON”T have the right to impose that stupidity on those of us who ARE educated, well read, have a sense of history, and know truth from lies.

You see…a famous comic stated:
“You can’t fix stupid.”

I agree. “You can’t fix stupid fascist and right wind demagoguery.”

Unfortunately, the rest of the American people have to put up with it.

So the majority of people here who post have to put up with you paid fascist Karl Rove right wing propagandists “disinformation campaign operatives” that you are a part of….knowingly, or willingly.

• Sorry Yu-Yin Ling but creating 5,000,000 jobs in less than four years is more than double what Bush created in 8 years. And doing it with the teagarden nitwits in the House sitting on your job bill for over a year is even more surprising. I’m sorry, but Obama produced more in his first 6 months in office than Bush did in all the eight years he served. The stock market has more than doubled, there have been more than 30 straight months of job growth. Just how much were you expecting??? When Hoover (a GOP) took over an economy back in 1929 very similar to what Obama inherited , he promptly turned things into a stock market crash and after 3 years the unemployment rate wasn’t 8.1% it was over 20%.

86. ChristoD says:

Listen folks, he cleaned the clock of our President last night via a Clarence Darrow performance. He was smooth, scored some excellent points that the President did not respond to and basically dominated the debate. Having written that he also lied through his \$15,000 teeth. If we don’t wipe the floor with his lies, then shame on us. If we don’t jam that shit down his throat then we deserve to lose. He started the brawl and now it is time for us to wipe the floor with this Bozo. He is the consumate Used Car salesman. He will say and do ANYTHING in the name of selling the clunker that no one wants in the name of winning this election. The American people may be fooled for now but he is as ripe for the picking as any blowhard can be. Ladies and Gentlemen…..start your engines ! Go OBAMA, kick this smooth talking phonies ass…..

87. highpckts says:

Boy I would like that math to do my books!!

88. Mitt’s numbers never add up because like during the debate, Mitt was putting on his favorite snake-oil salesman routine. An we all know that what you end up getting from a snake-0il salesman is never the same as what his sales pitch leads you to believe that it will be.

OK my take of the debate, Romney acted like a bully like he did when he was in school/ He took over the debate from the commentator who was suppose to be in control. I was watching Romney, he could not stand still, every time he spoke all you see him, the podium shakes and the mike. Obama was a statesman who conducted himself properly. He could have gone head to head with Romney but why be a bully . He has more class than Romney would ever have.

90. onedonewong says:

Eliminating nonsense govt regulation will add 1 million new jobs and eliminate \$110B in compliance spending. Then add in reducing the size of the govt that will add another \$250B and then eliminating the \$100B in premium wages paid to Feds and your saving and generating \$1 Trillion a year
Then add in the fact that Romney is an experience leader and will hit the ground running unlike amateur hour that we have had for 4 years

• You quote facts like Romney, all of it total nonsense. There are numerous studies which indicate that over regulaltion has had absolutely nothing to do with surpressing jobs. It’s all total nonsense just like trickle-down economics which Bush categorically proved is a fairy tale. He gave the rich the biggest tax cut they’ve seen in decades and his job creation was the worst in the past 60 years aside from his dad’s. Talk about fuzzy math and stats..you should see if Romney will hire you to write his stuff.

• onedonewong says:

There are numerous studies??? Name one..You only have to listen to small businesses to realize that regulations stunt growth.
Trickle down economics as opposed to trickle down govt?? I’ll go with trickle down economics.
W inherited a RECESSION from Clinton and used tax cuts to right the ship. His worked barak’s “stimulus” just made the debt Worse.
As for job creation are you serious??? Barak claims he’s added 2 million jobs, let me help you with some simple math if you have a 100 and you now have 95 you didn’t grow you went BACKWARDS….. There are fewer americans working today than at ANY time during W’s 2nd term,
Talk about having no grasp of reality or being a rank amateur you and barak must have been quota applicants to Harvard

• lindablue says:

Small businesses don’t mind regulations because the regulations are the ones their states mandated.

• lindablue says:

Oh and by the G.W. Bush passed more Federal Regulations than Obama. So maybe you should educate yourself before spouting off. Obama has added 4.5 million private sector jobs. Bush 1/2 million private sector jobs and the rest was government jobs.

• 345_719 says:

Reducing the size of government sounds like eliminating jobs to me. Where do these people go? I guess they will become part of the 47%.

• onedonewong says:

They are nothing but DEAD weight that is costing the economy…you sound like Peeelosi that foodstamps and welfare create jobs…
We could eliminate \$100B from the national debt a year by eliminating the premium wages that we pay federal employees

• lindablue says:

All this to give a treasure trove to private company that will make you spend more to mail a letter, send your child to school. Your brilliant if you want to make another guy rich.

91. Jim says:

Please to remind all of The Art of War, an ancient Chinese military treatise attributed to Sun Tzu. There 13 steps to defeating your enemy and not yourself. President Obama did not become president and the first African-American one at that by exposing himself to the enemy. Let the enemy defeat himself.

Even if the average job paying \$50,000/year, he needs 130 million jobs.
Yet if the Corporate America release the 4 trillion in propfit and invest in the USA, perhapse the budget would have been balanced by now, with a slight increase in taxes. Aiming at Big Bird and PBS closure tells a lot about the Romney the candidate and what he wants to cut. Since PBS gets most of its money from the Public.
Romney wants to be a president at any cost, lies is just one mean to get there, and deception may help too. I hope that the voters do not fall for any of these lies. The 5 trillion defecit would be a fact if he is elected, even I suspect it to increase due to increases in defense spending.
Repeatedly he claimed that he did not say things he claimed before. Hw will keep the pre-condition and to keep children on their parents insurance, but will repeal Obamacare entirely. When asked by a woman during his campaign “Sorry, can’t help you, it is a free country”
He also claimed that he did not say he will remove all regulations from the Banking and Energy sectors, including coal.
He also said nothing wrong with a 42 student classes, and distant himself from earlier statments that no need for teachers, firefighters and police saying ” Did not he (Obama) see what the people of Wisconsin said”

93. oldtack says:

Edwarddw69

Amen brother!

94. robert says:

When President obama was explaining his quesstimation (he had to guess because romney never detailed anything that we expected to hear)of Romney’s tax plan , Romney interrupted him and asked “What plan? I don’t have a plan!” He didn’t lie that time. Romney understands as well as his camp that if he ever slips up and tell his real plans, no one, not even his supporters would vote for him. You think his math is fuzzy. He and Ryan will fully destroy America and the values that American people hold dear. The jobs he’s talking about creating are jobs that his billionaire are outsourcing over seas at subsistence wages. “If” Romney/Ryan is elected, they will bring those jobs back through tax breaks, and hire Americans. But, the wages we are accustomed to will be a lot lower. We would be working, but we will be paid as little as possible to meet the bottom line of corporations and industries. There will be no unions invovled to advocate for fairness, and there will be no food stamps or welfare for us to fal back on because those safety nets will be removed as well. If we ask Romney to explain his plan, the way President Obama did and never got an answer, he would tell us “Wait till after I’m elected and we’ll sit down and explain it.” By then, it would be too late. President Obama should be allowed to finish the job. Romney himself said it would take him eight years to do it, so how could he figure that President Obama couldn’t do it in three and a half? See, even Romney’s reasoning is fuzzy.

95. Mitt Romney is a liar leader, and also a rude candidate that thinks that if he’s rude, his message will be heard. Very sad!! to have this kind of leaders.

96. Michelle Rose says:

Let’s recap, shall we?

1) Romney is lousy at math, so we can’t trust anything he says that involves simple arithmetic, like the economy, commerce/trade, and the Federal Reserve.
2) He knows diddly-squat about geopolitics, diplomacy, and foreign policy. (For now, let’s ignore his complete ignorance of ANY world culture other than good ol’ Americanism.)
3) He hasn’t a clue about military strategy, tactics, or anything military, including how to keep us out of wars, much less fighting a war, any war.
4) He doesn’t give a damn about anyone who isn’t in or close to his economic bracket; his much-quoted 47%. I suspect that number is much closer to 98%, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. (I doubt that he would do the same for me, but I’m feeling generous.)

On the basis of those points alone, why would ANYONE vote for him? He’s not capable of organizing a church picnic (and let’s not talk about his belief in a religion that dis-empowers women, demands a theocratic government, and is so blatantly racist that their “scripture” refers to any non-white race as “mud people”), much less leading the most powerful nation in the history.

But he tells the lies that an astonishingly huge percentage of this country wants to hear. Let’s not kid ourselves: he represents a significant fraction of this country’s population that would like to time-warp back to 1880. Maybe even further, like before the Civil War, when no one had to consider things like the 13th and 14th Amendments.

The point that disturbs me most is that he’s not really anomalous, not at all. He’s a perfect representative of those who would gleefully enslave us, disenfranchise us, and keep us ignorant, destitute, and hopeless.

97. Davekzy1 says:

Unfortunitly half the country is brainwashed by carl rove propaganda machine,

98. james bordine says:

more jobs = more revenue.

I was stunned that Obama was clueless last night.

99. tobewan says:

Carolyn: Romney’s plan to reduce deductions to make-up for easing corporate taxes would create a burden on the Middle-class, and in effect, raise their taxes horrifically.
In the Debate, Obama exerted principles toward, but Romney was very disrespectful of the President – shamefully talking down to him as if he were a child, telling the President what he should do, as if Romney knew what to do and Obama didn’t. Romney’s actions during the debate reminded me of a snot-nosed brat. Likely, if Romney had been President for past four years, he would not have known what to do, unless he ‘fired the USA and/or filed for bankruptcy.
Obama did point out that for 18 months Romney said one thing and now, the night of the debate, he switched. Romney was singing a different tune. It puzzles me how he allows himself to say all those untruths (lies), and still claim to be a Mormon, but then I’ve read that Mormons are not Christian and Romney sounds that way.
No President can be perfect, but Obama is still the better Choice.

• MollyBee says:

You said it well, tobewan. Romney looked like an arrogant, disrespectful, and entirely rude and bratty child….all of those attributes that seem to apply to the ‘new’ Republican Party. The media may have liked it but they will be surprised when the American people don’t buy into that type of debate method. I, for one, appreciated the fact that Obama did not stoop to the low level of Mr. Mitt Romney. Wall Street financier. That’s the first point. Second, Romney just plain lied and did a complete 180 on all of the issues on which he has campaigned thus far. The middle class will just not fold under his shameful tactics.

100. james bordine says:

i think obama does’t know what to do.

why didn’t he fire back at mitt?

he is the president, he should have dominated.

what happened?

101. Bellfire says:

WOW!!! How deceptive was that?? Romney never said that new job creation would remove the entire deficit. He said a combination of closing tax loopholes on the wealthiest and corporations, spending cuts, repealing Obamacare, and becoming energy independent would accomplish the task. Could this article be anymore misleading???

102. Obama found himself handicapped by the fact that he is the President and must uphold the decorum that goes with his office, so could not project any gungho attitude as did his opponent if not so, he could have told him in the face that he was a bloody liar, when he was befuddling the whole world with his brand of mathematical economics.

103. quittie says:

we are not dum peoples they think we are goffers we know better keep your head mr preident we got your back

104. Melvin Chatman says:

The KOCH Boys want a return on their “Investment” and Mitt had better WIN, or………..
I’m still amazed by the mans ability to LIE and switch personalities day to day which shows he is “Flexible”
He missed his real “Calling” in life – Acting!
Mitten’s a far better talent than Reagan would’ve ever been, just hoping the American People aren’t fooled by Mitt – Version 10 and the “updated” version soon to come to a Store near YOU!!

105. bcarreiro says:

again ………….lets look at his record, massachusetts left in debt one of the highest in the nation…….many firefighters, firstresponders, police and teachers lost jobs, his time at bain
was just a drain that lead to his pockets. Follow the paper trail ………the truth doesn’t lie
only he does. We PAY attention to DETAIL.

106. Glory days says:

we’ve experienced Obama’s. It has not been good for me. I am switching this time. I won’t fall for his lies again.

107. bruce says:

why did I click on this I know Yahoo is pro-Obama why I have no idea

108. William Deutschlander says:

When your plan is to by FRAUD, rig the election, and every other sentence is an outright LIE, which is exactly the REPUBLICAN CARTEL’s plan, you must appeal to voters that are INTELECTUALY DEPLETE, the Generational Republican who is incompetent, unable to have a rational thought.

109. daffodilly says:

Me thinks any jobs created by Mitt economics will be more in the range of 20-23,000\$ (at most) rather than the 40,000\$ shown above. Given a chance, Mitt will give us a 3rd world economic boost and increase the burden on government subsidised assistance to the working poor (if the working poor are allowed any assistance). We need to understand that shuting the barn door after the horse is long gone (allowing Mitt to run the country) will not alliviate the long term problems caused by his misguided economic ideas. Everyone needs to understand, this guy will do whatever he has to to BE President. After he’s elected (God forbid) the Devil take the hindmost!

110. phanya2012 says:

I think it’s amazing that Mr. Romney presented a new cardboard cutout, well prepared, well groomed, and eager to present his new self, and he still left everyone remembering he’s going to kill Big Bird. What a remarkable man … imagine him dealing with, well, anyone in the world political arena.

111. jimmab52 says:

Sounds like he is still at BAINS addressing a company that they are trying to buy TRUST ME WE HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST IN HEART, UNTIL THEY CLOSE DEAL THEN DUMP IT, if he is elected when will he dump the 99% of us, tell us MITT-NOCCHIO

112. One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to know that Misfit Romney’s theory of math doesn’t add up correctly! If you don’t believe me; ask anyone who lived in Massachussetts during the time he was governor! You can see the mess he’s left that state!

113. 12pointbuck says:

Greed has no boundary, American people have made a mockery out of our president for the last 4 years, every time some one is elected that has an actual agenda to help the middle class and poor they will have to spend most of there time defending issues unrelated to what they were elected to do, every one says Obama lost the debate, were you looking for a show,are facts, the mouth put on a good show, I will admit, but I pray that the american public does not for get what a lire does, keep your attention off of the real issues, any way you can, create false pretense, Romney has proved he is a great car salesman, but to sell your investments in communist and dictator ship countries the day before your elected to represent the republican party leaves a sour taste in my heart, telling women you have no choice we will make it for you, degrading the disabled military veterans as second class citizens not counting every one else who works 40 hrs a week every week for the rich, tells you, your family is not entitled to affordable health care, but he is, if he uses one of his big business insurance companies, are yaw so desperate to hire some one who has proved his hole career that no American family is worth saving a job instead of taking over, down sizing and then moving it over sees, Obama is not what every one wonts, but at least he has not turned his back on America

114. Romney uses a Chinese calculater with Russian numbers. He can make any number he wants pop up!

115. Of all Romneys campainges he is telling the same lies now compared to what he was telling before the debate. and you all believe it.

116. dalnb says:

As a registered Republican I am totally disgusted with the Parties past three years of working harder at ensuring failure of the Obama Administration than in helping with our nation’s recovery. I can not support any Republican who has contributed to the “Mission of Failure” or who supports Party over America!

117. dalnb says:

Romney and the Republicans continue to try selling the idea that raising taxes will hinder job development. They need to look back at the Clinton era when taxes were raised; jobs were plentiful and easily found. The work force could actually negotiate with employers for jobs, wages were good, and America enjoyed the greatest Quality-of-life we had in over 0 years. It only took a short while for G W to destroy that quality-of-life. I do not favor raising taxes but if that is what it takes to get America back to the pre-Bush days I will support it. HOWEVER: we will never gain any national recovery as long as we have a Republican Congress standing in the way!

• lindablue says:

Hear, hear. It continues to amaze me that a segment of the populace can not comprehend basic logic.

• lindablue says:

Alan Grayson (D) (FL) has the best ideas for our country. Any candidate who do not listen to him is doomed in this election cycle.
(1) Full employment.
(2) Universal healthcare.
(3) Taking corporate money out of politics and government.
(4) Reinstituting progressive taxation, to reduce the deficit and the debt. (5) Ending corporate welfare.
(6) Improving labor standards, including pensions, sick leave and paid vacations. (7) Ending discrimination against minorities, women and gays.
(8) Providing higher education to every student who wants it.
(9) Ending the war, bringing the troops home, and reining in the military-industrial complex. (10) Reducing the brutal and pervasive inequality in American life.

118. May be Mitt will not care about the 47 o/o

119. Here we go again, Mutts or excuse me, Mitts version of Ronald Reagan’s trickle down economics. My fellow americans, nothing is going to trickle down to the Middle Class from this already tried stupid policy. This policy is what got us into this mess in the first place along with tax cuts for the wealthy. I don’t envy the wealthy, the majority of them are hard working people like myself. But the ones like the Hotel Heiress Leona Helmsly who remarked while being tried for tax evasion that taxes were for poor people, and upon her death she left millions to her cats. I don’t have no respect for conservative people like that. She was worst than the 47% moochers Mutt, I mean Mitt criticized.

120. WakeUpKevin says:

ok 1st off the tax rate is about 50% if you take in all aspects sales,ss, medicare, gas. ect, its more like 240 billion. Now what about the these 12 million getting off of the social programs? Unemployment, food stamps, medical services. Lets just say this adds up to 40K per person out of work. gee thats 480 billion! what about the tax’s on the products these people produce? My company employees 10,000 people, we paid \$247,400,000 income tax last year. We are publicly traded who knows how much tax is collected off of the stock trades. now take 247,400,000 across the 12million/10000 you have 329,280,000,000 in tax revenue from the 12 million new jobs, so class I know its hard to understand and I hope I didnt make it to diffucult but quit being so gullable and do the math. 12 million new job can net government 240 billion + 480 billion + 330 billion = over 1 trillion dollars.

• lindablue says:

Tax returns of Billionaires if Republicans get re-elected/Romney get elected 1.3 trillion dollars 20% more than they get now. Cost to you and I paying \$2,000 more a year in taxes.
92 Billion dollars a year goes to corporate welfare.
24,000 1% pay no Federal taxes.
26 Blue Chip Corporations pay no taxes at all.

We know you isn’t paying their fair share.

• lindablue says:

There is a difference between funding innovation and and giving multi-billion dollar corporations welfare. Like Exon Mobile, G.E., etc. Don’t you agree?

• lindablue says:

Quit whining. We are a civil society that take every American doing their share to keep our country competitive and in good shape. If you don’t want to pay taxes find a country that doesn’t and move there. Let us keep a country for the people by the people.

121. WakeUpKevin says:

lindablue, Obama is the one that gave the 90 billion in corporate welfare to “green jobs” So yea, lets vote him back in so he can give more corparate welfare! Wake up America!!!!!

• lindablue says:

24,000 1% don’t pay federal income taxes. Republicans don’t want corporations to pay any taxes. 26 corporations pay ZERO taxes. We are at the bottom of tax rates for corporations of any industrialized country. Productivity by workers is up 47% since 1967 while our wages have plummeted. Just who do you think is making up for those losses in tax dollars? You and me my friend!!! PFrom: Disqus Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:05 PMr To: lindatift@united.net Subject: [the-nation] Re: Isn't Mitt Romney a Member of the 47 Percent?
This is Republican policies over the last 30 years. the damage they have done can not be repaired.

• lindablue says:

You do understand that Obama has to work with the policies that the Republicans have put in place for the last 30 years. Yeah Obama getting this country in the direction of being less dependent on dirty energy that does nothing but make us and our planet sick. Wonder how much that will save the country on health care bill? Bad Obama.

• lindablue says:

I know how progressive of him to invest in renewable energy instead of wars.

• lindablue says:

Oh and he didn’t give green energy 90 Billion dollars because the President does not make budget priorities the House of Representatives do.

• lindablue says:

If you don’t know the difference between innovation seed money and Corporate Welfare for Blue chip Companies there is no hope for you.

122. Don says:

i ASSUME I AM ONE OF THE POUR FOLKS IN THIS LAND WHO MAY SUFFER UNDER ROMNEY, LOSE MONEY, LOSE SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, LOSE HOME, AND HAVE TO LIVE OUT IN THE STREET IN A CARDBOARD BOX.

123. irishtap says:

This is why Romney chose the path of slimey vulture capitalist, get in cheap using other peoples money, and cash out before the company topples from all the debt you loaded it with, and let us not forget the damage to local economies when hundreds of people’s jobs are scattered to the winds. It’s the perfect occupation for a sociopath. A Romney presidency is a catastrophy waiting to happen.

124. WakeUpKevin says:

Oh, I get it. If it makes you feel better do it no matter the cost. Let me guess? you have a liberal arts degree! If green energy was viable the private sector would take it and run with it. But instead we throw billions into a failed policies. Green energy is nothing more than corparate welfare. Just another way for scum to suck off the tax payers. But because its “green” its got to be good! Man made Global warming is a hoax. Look at the scienctific facts, and quit following the mindless. Carbon Dioxide, C02, ie greenhouse gas. Is actually good for the earth. CO2 comes right out of the ground! All by its self with out us burning it. During times off high CO2 the earth has warmed, and prospered. plant life explodes which in turn provides food for nature. Here something the hoax does’nt tell you the earth has actually been much warmer than it is now and that was before the industrial revolution. So how come they never tell you that? Because facts get in the way.

• lindablue says:

Apparently you are not up to date with green energy. California is leading the way with more residential solar than any other state, along with a smart grid, and companies like home depot is working with consumers/homeowners to help them retool their homes for solar. I know this must disappoint your small energy view but solar has actually come a long way in a very short time. We need and should be retooling our homes and businesses to use less dirty energy like coal, oil, and dangerous nuclear power. Thank goodness more and more American’s feel the same way. But hey you stay in your small world view and let the experts help shape our energy strategy. I believe in innovation and green energy not only helps us move away from dirty energy but it will prevent us from stupid wars over oil.

• WakeUpKevin says:

Isnt California Bankrupt? Yea they are leading the way!

• lindablue says:

Yeah wasn’t it Arnie who bankrupted California and the props that the Republicans pushed in California?

• lindablue says:

So are most state in this nation bankrupted your just not being honest because you have no vision past dirty gas, oil, and coal which we the American tax payer subsidize to the tune of”: In the United States, credible estimates of annual fossil fuel subsidies range from \$10 billion to \$52 billion annually, while even efforts to remove small portions of those subsidies have been defeated in Congress.
In June 2010, the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) said \$557 billion was spent to subsidize fossil fuels globally in 2008, compared to \$43 billion in support of renewable energy. In a July 2011 EIA report on federal fossil fuel subsidies, coal was estimated to have tax expenditures (provisions in the federal tax code that reduce the tax liability of firms) with an estimated value of \$561 million in FY 2010, down from \$3.3 billion in FY 2007.[2]
Natural Gas Gathering Lines Treated as Seven-year Property with Alternative Minimum Tax Relief (\$6,000,000)
Natural Gas Arbitrage Exemption (\$6,000,000)

According to the National Academy of Sciences report, a conservative estimate of damages from fossil fuel use in the United States—petroleum, natural gas and coal—was approximately \$120 billion in 2005. Most of this estimate comes from the cost due to health damage from air pollution associated with electricity generation and vehicles.
Other damages included damage of major air pollutants—sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, ozone, and particulate matter—on grain crops and timber yields, buildings, and recreation. And that \$120 billion estimate doesn’t include damages from climate change, harm to ecosystems, effects of some air pollutants such as mercury, or risks to national security.
None of these costs are reflected in energy prices, but we all pay for this damage in other sectors: food, construction, health care, national defense. Monetary costs are important, but there also are the intangible human cost of suffering from preventable illness and premature death.
Dirty energy is not renewable or health effective.

• lindablue says:

Every state will be bankrupt since the Congress lead by the Tea Party would not put in place a large enough Recovery Act. You do understand that the Federal Government subsidizes all state governments. Right?

125. Mitt Romney , Paul Ryan & the Republican Party are out to make a Monkey of the 95% of the US citizens as all they want is the controls of the Federal Government so that they can loot & drain the tax payers money to pay their corporations & special interest groups .
In case U did not realzie it already , Romney & Ryan shall promise you The Moon cause its not theirs to begin with !!

126. Garfield10 says:

Americans tune out when people talk numbers. millions, billions, trillions — they all sound the same to most Americans.

127. Wrkdiver says:

IF O’B wins I hope you’ll be very happy paying the new higher taxes when the Bush tax cuts expire on Dec. 31st!
They had a popup asking about ending “gun violence” By leeing a lot of guns go across the border to Mexican drug cartels under “Fast and Furious”

• lindablue says:

I will be happy with going back to the same tax rate as under Clinton. That is how we attack the deficit in a fair manner and still care for the least among us. You see the majority of us believe that we are a community and understand that it takes government to help make sure that the least among us are care for. Every church in this country would have to come up with a extra \$50,000 dollars a year to do what our government does with the help of all citizens to do. Guess what the government doesn’t make you join their church to help you either.

128. Wrkdiver says:

“letting”

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