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Tuesday, October 25, 2016

Reflections upon the recent holiday: The first time my wife saw tears in my eyes was in St. Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin, at the tomb of Jonathan Swift. The brilliant 18th-century Irish satirist was my first and most enduring literary hero, a towering figure who Yeats thought “slept under the greatest epitaph in history” — composed by Swift himself.

I knew the Latin by heart, but seeing it engraved in stone moved me, although Swift had been dead since 1745. “It is almost finer in English,” Yeats wrote, “than in Latin: ‘He has gone where fierce indignation can lacerate his heart no more.’”

Reading Swift taught me more about Ireland and my Irish-Catholic ancestors than I ever learned at my alcoholic grandfather’s knee, I can tell you that. An Anglo-Irish churchman who considered himself exiled from London to the city of his birth, Swift condemned British misrule of Ireland in the most memorable satires written in English or any other language.

His 1729 pamphlet “A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland from Being a Burden to Their Parents” retains the capacity to shock after almost 300 years. Impersonating the ever-so-reasonable voice of a public-spirited reformer of the sort who might today issue proposals from the Heritage Foundation, the narrator advocated genteel cannibalism.

“I rather recommend buying the children alive and dressing them hot from the knife,” he suggested, “as we do roasting pigs.”

It’s the laconic “rather” that chills to the marrow, precisely revealing the pamphleteer’s inhumanity.

Swift was certainly no Irish nationalist. A Tory by temperament and conviction, he’d have been appalled by the idea that the island’s Roman Catholic majority could govern itself. Even so, Professor Leo Damrosch’s terrific new biography makes a compelling case that both his voice and his personal example were instrumental to an evolving Irish national consciousness.

I thought of Swift’s “Modest Proposal” the other day, listening to the ever-so-reasonable Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) explain that America’s poor have only themselves to blame. “We have this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular,” Ryan explained, “of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work.”

Any question who he was talking about? As several commentators have noted, this business about “inner city” men not working isn’t so much Republican “dogwhistle” as GOP air-raid siren.

Ryan has since alibied that he’d been “inarticulate” and wasn’t trying to implicate “the culture of one community.” This came soon after a speech in which he’d told a heartfelt tale of a small boy who didn’t want a “free lunch from a government program,” but a Mommy-made lunch in a brown paper bag that showed somebody cared about him.

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  • Buford2k11

    The re-education of Paul Ryan needs to start with his removal from office…

    • whodatbob

      Amend brother!

    • a80a

      Paul Ryan needs to walk in the circles of the poor and unemployed
      where you have two pairs of shoes one to work in if you had a job and one to wear to church both being from Walmart
      his suits cost more the some make in a week of work IF they had a job
      Mr. Ryan needs to join the ranks of these people and live in their life styles until he realizes people will work if they could find a job that had not been exported from their home land to a foreign country.

    • voice_reason

      he’s been suckling off the public teat for too long now

    • It won’t work. He’ll just become a correspondent for Fox News. Reeducation can’t even begin until a fully liberal government can be voted in and their policies defended for over a decade.

      And even then, it’s not a process that can be expected to be completed within Paul Ryan’s lifetime. The fact that Medicare was proven to work a lifetime ago has not stopped the G.O.P. from trying to kill it year after year.

  • John Kruger

    A very powerful and educational piece. Bravo.

  • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

    Here is my simple responses to Paul Ryan’s comments.

    When there aren’t jobs to be had, and those that are available are going to the people most willing to work for the lowest wages and no benefits, then who is to blame but the job creators?

    If you say, “Move to where the jobs are,” are you going to provide relocation money to someone who hasn’t been able to find a job for the past two years and barely has enough money to feed his family?

    When a corporation comes in and buys a smaller company that could pose as a local rival, then shuts down that operation and places all of those people out of work, what then? This happens regularly when Venture (Vulture?) Capital Companies like Bain, or energy companies like Koch Industries (yes that Koch family) execute a leveraged buyout. Where is the outrage for the jobs destroyed by those same “job creators” as Neo-Cons like to refer to them?

    Like they say – sermons don’t work on empty bellies.

    • FredAppell

      The excuse given when small companies are eaten up by the larger ones is “That’s the nature of Capitalism”. The prevailing thought among capitalists is that if it were fair, it wouldn’t be worth pursuing and anyone who hasn’t mastered it is a loser and not worth anyone’s
      pity. It’s insane but it is the nature of the beast.

      • Mark Forsyth

        Well,that explains the difference between those who favor free trade versus those who favor fair trade.

        • FredAppell

          Exactly, but if you try to tell this to right wingers, they’ll say you’re only arguing semantics. The Democrats are having a hard time explaining the distinction to the American people. Mark, you and I could do a better job,seriously. Maybe it’s because we actually live it everyday, we can’t expect out of touch people to explain in layman’s terms the importance of fairness. The problem as I see it is that there are plenty of wealthy Democrats too and they tend to talk at us instead of to us. See my point? Democrats need average folks to understand that the right wing isn’t about fairness, they’re about dominance.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I have experienced that being “talked at” numerous times by politicians who were supposed to be on our side.I think that money makes them forget who they are supposed to represent and makes them feel too good to talk to those outside their special circles.
            Time to sweep the halls of congress clean of the bi-partisan corruption.I also would like to see a viable third party.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Giving it some further thought: I think that even if the layman does not have the verbal skills to express it,he still has a feeling for and a knowledge of what is and isn’t fair even if it is at gut level.I think that guy would like some affirmation and acknowledgement of his beliefs from the person he voted for and a sense of having something in common. I think he deserves to know that in his gut too.

          • FredAppell

            That’s how I feel too, you even mentioned the failure of not having a viable third party in your other reply to
            me and I would definitely support it. The two party monopoly on our system is strangling us. The problem is, a third party may not be held up as legitimate by the Supreme Court. I think the government knows that the third party would be made up of “We The People” and it scares them. I like the term you used “bi-partisan corruption”, it’s a perfect description of what we are witnessing.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I agree completely Fred. It makes perfect sense that a court that wrote the fascist C.U. would oppose anything to do with We The People.That is much too democratic for their tastes,or would they call it socialistic?
            Since I don’t see a way around it,and we have members of government attending such gatherings as the Bilderburger Group,I think it may be time for another revolution.I wish that it could be non-violent but doubt that even if it started that way,that it would remain so.We have far too many powerful people in and out of government who are seemingly above the law. We must have access to full redress for and accountability for all offenses with the ability to charge,try,and remove any and all criminal elements regardless of political title.
            I am dumbfounded when I consider what my Dad and his generation went through to rid the world of fascism,that a piece of shit like Citizens United and the people who wrote it are not considered criminal by our government and the American people.
            Sometimes it seems that we are dealing with elements that are either corrupt or ignorant,sometimes both.

          • FredAppell

            I think they would call it whatever they have to in order to fit their agenda. Does your comment about the Bilderburgers extend to the Free Masons as well? I’ve been invited in but I haven’t taken the person up on the offer but it is there if I want it. The Free Masons contributed greatly to the system we’re supposed to be enjoying until it was hijacked from the citizens. I haven’t made up my mind yet. The problem with this scenario is the secrecy has lead to so much negative speculation and I really don’t want to be part of the problem by allying myself with them if the rumors are true. The reason for joining would be so I could do some real good through an organization that historically has a strong tradition of positive contributions for society, or is that just a front. I can’t help being as suspicious as everyone else, I’m affected by it. Now you know how I feel about a revolution,we talked about that once before, I’m not against it per-say,
            but violent or non-violent, there is still much to consider before taking action. The problem is we’re
            still to fractured politically and religiously to stop with the house cleaning once we the people take over. I could see a second civil war unless we decide to let states that want to secede go their own way. People would naturally find their way to the states that best support their own views, maybe
            that wouldn’t be such a bad thing, we almost seem to be heading down that road now in many respects. Everything is FUBAR now, shit is coming at us all at once and we’re left with too many questions with few obvious answers.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Hey Fred,It’s Saturday morning,almost 10 o clock.I’ve been up since six.I read your reply last night and felt that I needed to sleep on it before responding.I just felt that it required some deep thinking and consideration.
            I think that you are one of the better persons I have encountered here on the Memo,as such,I think you should have the best response I can give.I’m almost sixty two years old and have spent more time than I can tell thinking about God,religion,country,patriotism.forms of government, etc.etc. I’ve seen and read and thought about Freemasons too.
            A few years ago I bought a book about freemasonry titled Freemasons,by H.Paul Jeffers.I think it is a fairly open ended treatment of The organization and I didn’t detect any particular prejudice for or against the group.The book will not tell you or me or anyone else what we want to know about the FreeMasons.I suspect their secrets remain intact under a very real threat of death.In answer to your question,I have no doubt at all that FreeMasons attend and participate in the Bilderburger conventions.
            Fred,I think that you must exercise and trust your own intuitions and your own I-Am ness on this.Personally I don’t think that you need the Freemasons in order to do anything you want to do.Believe in the power of your own thought to shape the reality you desire and flex your own Godliness.Attach your most positive and powerful words to the statement I-Am and know that these things are true.We are what we think most about.
            As you know by now,I don’t mind talking about the spectre of revolution or even war,but I don’t want to dwell on it and don’t think that other people should either.I absolutely believe in the power of thought and that people who are willing to do the work of thinking can bring that which they want into being.That is the reason that I think that we are going to see a resurrection of places like Detroit.There are so much new and creative things going on there that we are going to see a new Phoenix rising where the old bankrupt Detroit has been.That energy is not confined to the Detroit area and I think that particular energy which exists at an individual level will be the energy that creates a new nation with or without violence.
            We have all the negativity that the world can provide if that’s what we choose to focus on.I think there are much better and positive things on which to place our focus and I do not think that you or I or anyone else needs anything or anybody to intercede for us if we all learn to think in the right way.The Universe is friendly to all our best desires. Best Wishes To You

          • FredAppell

            Good morning Mark, thank you for the heart felt and thoughtful words. That’s precisely why I like to talk with you, I have developed a comfortable rapport with you and a few select others on here which is why I’m strongly considering what you just said. I’ve been holding back from joining the Masons for several years based on my own suspicions, I can’t get away from the nagging feeling that something isn’t quite right with that organization. I have to admit, I’m intrigued by the notion of being a part of the possible movers and shakers of the world but I’m also the type to betray such an organization if I were to discover that everyone’s fears are valid. The way I see it, loyalty is only a virtue if it’s to the right people and principles and I would stab anyone in the back in a heartbeat if their real goal is to do harm.

            You must have had quite the restful sleep because you’re a lot more optimistic with your thoughts today than you usually are, it’s both refreshing and inspiring, also difficult at times but that’s trick isn’t it,
            trying to stay optimistic when you know things are pretty crappy. At least you’re seeing good things happening such as you described regarding Detroit. I heard something about that too several months ago. It’s all thanks to some young people with a clear vision and the will to implement that vision. Best wishes to you too Mark, talk to you soon.

  • Dominick Vila

    When a person or political party has nothing to offer in terms of socio-economic solutions, one of the easiest ways to deflect attention from their shortcomings is to blame the victim.
    Yes, there are people in our society who would rather spend the day watching TV or drinking than working. Believe it or not, that is a fact that has existed since the beginning of mankind, and it is not about to change anytime soon. What Rep. Ryan does not understand, or prefers to ignore, is that the overwhelming majority of Americans, including those who live in inner cities, do want to work, do want to get ahead, and want a better world for their children. Stereotyping the plight of the poor based on the behavior of a small segment of our population reflects the failure of Rep. Ryan to analyze the problems we have, reach logical conclusions, and propose solutions to overcome those problems. He is the classic demagogue, more interested in energizing the base of his party, those who salivate on the misery of others, than trying to do something positive to mitigate the effects of inequality, a poor education, and social biases that marginalize some of our most vulnerable citizens.

    • a80a

      very well said Dominick Villa

    • Buford2k11

      Hear, hear…I would only inject, that he deliberately ignores his early days of sad tales, and whatever…He does it for the money…I don’t pretend to think otherwise…

    • elw

      It cannot be said enough times. He does not belong in Congress or anywhere near power that affects everyday Americans lives.

    • Allan Richardson

      The sad fact is that too many (not that many, but still too many) inner city “men” (actually BOYS) who DO want to work and get ahead, and see NO VIABLE WAY in their neighborhoods to do so honestly, work VERY HARD and at great RISK TO THEIR LIVES for what amounts to less than FAST FOOD wages, to try to build a business (yes, they are ENTREPENEURS) selling drugs. If they believed they could get anywhere near that return without risking jail or death, they would. Perhaps Ryan is referring to those who refuse to become illegal entrepeneurs and settle for the pittance that can be scrounged from “welfare” in relative safety. There is no one to hire them, no one willing to train them, no one willing to take a chance on them.

      Yes, a few make it, thanks to a combination of EXCEPTIONAL talent and hard work AND good luck. But there is not ENOUGH good luck for ALL such efforts to pay off. Just as some people win jackpots in Vegas, but most who go there lose money — the smart ones stop losing when they have “paid for enough” entertainment, the foolish ones keep thinking they will win, and stay until they lose everything.

      • Dominick Vila

        You are being too kind when you said that “perhaps Ryan is referring to those who refuse to become illegal entrepreneurs”. Let’s call a spade a spade, what Rep Ryan was talking about was Reagan’s welfare queen, a mythical African American woman who drove a Cadillac to collect her welfare check and food stamps. That stigma is stronger in some circles than many of us think.

        • idamag

          Pre-welfare reform days there were women who had one child after another and never worked. I worked for Health and Welfare. There were five generations of one family that had always been on welfare. They were not minority people, BTW. Governor Thompson, of Wisconsin, enacted the first welfare reform. It became a priority for the Clinton Administration and they enacted welfare reform. Most states patterned theirs after Wisconsin reforms. Lyin’ Ryan is lying again. There aren’t a bunch of males, who won’t work, on welfare. It is not allowed. A person is given a grant and has to be actively looking for a job. The recipient is given available jobs and the state calls to make sure they came in and applied. The state can ask about their demeanor. Questions like: :How were they dressed? Did they act enthusiastic about working? Why didn’t you hire them? Those able bodied men on welfare is a myth..

      • sigrid28

        Ryan and his ilk, who concentrate on the lost generation of inner city youth to excite their base, conveniently ignore a similar malaise among rural Americans, many of them white, in Wisconsin, for example, and probably many of them Republicans. Between the coasts, according to sociological research, 35% of Americans believe that the only way to make it big is by winning the lottery. Week after week, day after day, they invest in a losing proposition, even though common sense might lead them to do otherwise. It seems like most Americans have such an unshakable faith in their own good luck that scam artists have come up with myriad ways to take advantage of it. Don’t lottery players know that, as you say, “there is not ENOUGH good luck for ALL such efforts to pay off.” I guess not. This obsession is fed by daily injections of enthusiasm, hope, and then despair–it costs so little to buy a lottery ticket–all the while thinking, you cannot lose everything if you do not have anything to start with. What’s the harm?

        The harm is that faith in the lottery–the opiate of OUR masses–more often than not supplants better ways of acquiring wealth. It induces perpetual immaturity, which is, by the way, a salient characteristic of low-information voters in the Republican base.

        If poor whites thrive on the hope of winning the lottery, Republican elites–like Paul Ryan–content themselves with another kind of belief in their own good luck, the conviction that they deserve their wealth, even though it may have been inherited or achieved at the expense of others. Both fantasies seem impervious to the force of rational thought to unseat them and bring about changes that would improve social justice for all Americans.

      • leadvillexp

        Young men do not have to be on welfare or drug dealers. Many do pull themselves out of poverty honestly. The problem is that the drug dealers and gangs get young men at a very early age and train them to deal drugs and do illegal activities. The solution is to get them into legal activities early so that they stay in school and find a way out. Once they are members of gangs it is very hard to change the outcome. They are uneducated and have a record. This limits their employment opportunities for the rest of their life. You need to stomp out the gangs and have more programs that follow children from birth until graduation.

        • Allan Richardson

          I agree that this is what SHOULD be done, but the resources and the information are not being provided from OUTSIDE these ghetto neighborhoods in sufficient quantity. The point I was making is that, given the belief that honest work is not going to get them out of poverty, rather than be “lazy” and endure poverty, they DO go to work, and work very hard, at illegal work. They may not be the best citizens by a long shot, but they are NOT lazy and lacking ambition. After becoming disillusioned, those who survive their illegal business ventures may BECOME lazy, and this is what makes externally imposed poverty even more sad and shameful.

      • jrj1701

        I am only stating the obvious, yet Ryan speaks for those that are scared that folks will stop playing the game they are winning at and play another game where they will be the ones imprisoned, denied comfort, persecuted and ridiculed.

    • idamag

      What an excellent post, Dominick.

    • rkief

      He is also in denial of, and does not want to admit, his own dependence upon these programs – upon which he and his family depended in his youth. For his own ego enhancement – as well as for political support – he puts down others who accept public assistance.

    • plc97477

      The people who don’t want to work are all over the map also. They are not only in the inner cities. Some of them are living high off the hog with daddy’s money and pretending they “built that”.

      • Dominick Vila

        One of them lives close to my house. However, the majority of unemployed and/or unskilled Americans who have trouble finding a job far outnumber those who prefer to spend their lives living off welfare.

  • SaneJane

    GOP claims that the breakdown of families causes poverty, when, in truth poverty causes family breakdown.

    • idamag


    • jrj1701

      A classic Republican ailment is to get the cart before the horse.

  • charles king

    People just do some (Critical Thinking)like What’s? the hell is going on. Where? is our Democracy. Who? are these Plutocracts, and Why? are they hanging around our small-towns USA and making decisions on the People’s Assets, and Why? aren’t they saying something about this privatizing of the People’s Assets. How? Come these rich White Men and Others are allow to offer MONIES to the People’s Representives. Where? is our Democracy. How’s? about our Superme Courts and NINE Justictors, are we kidding ourselves, Who? the hell is in charge. People! People! People! What? the hell is going on in America. Wake Up America. Thank You are the magic words with me. I Love Ya All. Mr. C. E. KING

  • jointerjohn

    Theirs is the politics of superiority. They demonstrate it in everything they do and say. Find some poor sod at the bottom and then gloat about how much purer, how much holier, how much more patriotic you are than him. If you happen to unfairly generalize an entire race, gender or class along the way, so what? That’s what they get for being inferior.

    • idamag

      I read a book by Maslow, renowned psychiatrist, who said society creates criminals and poor to make themselves feel superior.

      • voice_reason

        hence the incredible numbers of drug arrests and horrific long term jail sentences especially for things like marijuana

  • howa4x

    Maybe Ryan could have reflected on how imbedded racism was directed against the black males of this country especially in the job market. Or maybe he could have reflected on how defunded schools in the inner cities never gave kids a chance to become anything more. Afro American women were given an entry into the job market as house cleaners and nanny’s that the men were never given. Or Ryan could have reflected on how inner city police departments made up of Irish and Italian officers turned their back and sometimes assisted the Mafia as it began the scourge of heroin distribution in black communities in all of our cities, or how none took an interest as long as it stayed there robbing black youth of a stable family life. This caused the red lining of the area preventing future economic growth by banks and lenders. The drug trade became one of the few economic opportunities offered for youth advancement where something more than subsistence wages were paid. Why not all the respectable whites were making money off of it?
    Ryan’s answer of course is one based in negative stereotypes instead of concrete solutions that create the carrier ladders that were never built. It all starts with a full belly, something Ryan should have learned from his ancestors. Listen to the Pope before you read another Ayn Rand book.

  • bstockinger

    One of the worst things that most Americans don’t seem to know anything about is how our ancestors were treated in Europe by the ruling classes. There is a good reason they got out of Europe in the18th,19th and 20th century. Those same conditions lead to the French revolution and the Russian revolution. We should never forget our history.

    • CPAinNewYork

      You’re right, but the most interesting thing to me is that in both the Russian and French revolutions the upper class was taken completely by surprise when the suppressed discontent of the masses caused the entire society to blow up.

      The upper class actually thought that their suppression of the poor and middle classes was going to continue forever. In many cases their self delusion resulted in their execution.

  • CrankyToo

    What a fantastic article that was!!

  • elw

    I completely agree with the point of the article. However, I really doubt if Ryan would even begin to understand what was said. While Ryan may have the IQ to understand it, emotionally he is not healthy enough to have the ability to look past his own needs and wants to find the compassion to understand or care about others. He is a radically narcissistic person who will get what he wants at anybody else’s expense even if it mean lying and cheating. He is so caught up in himself he does not even realize most of us already know what he is and he has little chance of reaching his own goal of being President. I believe that something bad happen to him when he was a child and he has never recovered from it. The same applies to Ted Cruz. They are damaged people and dangerous to the health of our Country.

    • sigrid28

      I thought there was a clue to Ryan’s personal weaknesses in Mitt Romney’s choice of him as a running mate. IMO Romney never wanted to be president, he just wanted to add that trophy to his collection. He thought he would be elected just as he thinks he deserves his wealth: it is all tied up in his sense of entitlement. These two never ask themselves, as you or I might, why do you think you deserve your wealth and opportunities? This is a question that does not occur to power brokers on Wall Street, where they think of their million-dollar bonuses as “FU” money, because of how their wealth allows them to tell anyone they want to “FU.” Their sense of entitlement, the conviction that they are brighter and luckier and stronger than others because they deserve to be, because of something about themselves that sets them apart from the rest, is a given in their lives. Lost the election? Each imagines himself running again. Ryan proposing legislation or Romney publishing an op-ed piece are all a part of running to achieve the office of the president, but have nothing to do with the desire to actually to anything useful or constructive in that office. For each of these men, the presidency is just another perk of their entitlement, another way to tell the rest of the world, which they look down upon, “FU.”

      • elw

        I agree they are twisted people who should never have power over anyone else.

        • idamag

          It happens and the key is recognize it when it happens.

      • Lucretzia

        I think the word you are looking for is sociopath.

    • Mark Forsyth

      I would bet he has a reading problem and can’t tell the difference between the last names of Ryan and Rand.

      • elw

        Who knows what he thinks other than it is twisted.

        • Mark Forsyth

          Since we have the evidence that Ryan does not use logic or reason,how can his mental processes be referred to as thinking?

          • elw

            HA, how true

  • Lynda Groom

    Indeed words have consequences. I hope that the consequences for Ryan and his ilk are reflected at the ballot box come November. Such callus disregard for our fellow citizens must be rejected and firmly. As citizens we are either in this together or part of the process of destruction of our values and way of life. Worthless and dishonest rhetoric like Ryan’s can’t be allowed to go unchallenged. It is clear that he was speaking directly to those unfortunates who believe such ignorance observations in an attempt to gin up his bona fides with the extreme portion of the party. Of course if the funding for the next campaign gets a boost that would be a good thing for him as well.

    • RNPRN

      I live in Ryan’s district. He has a challanger, ROB ZERBAN. He is a small businessman, son of a single mother, who worked hard and made it. You can see him @ ROBZERBAN.COM. I am working on his campaign. Feel free to support him. In 2012 he challanged Ryan, came closer than anyone in the past. Wisconsin’s 1st district needs to get rid of Ryan. He not only affects us but also everyother person in the country with his radical rhetoric. Bought and paid for by the dark money of the Koch brothers.

      • charleo1

        Fighting the Koch Brothers in Wisconsin. God bless you!
        We need dozens, no hundreds, thousands just like you!

      • plc97477

        Good luck with that. I hope Rob wins.

  • voice_reason

    try to teach an idiot new tricks and he simply becomes a bigger a*hole. While continuing to appeal to what he beleives is his base, he clearly did not learn lesson one from his campaign with Mitt Romney. Now he also refuses to deal with the fallout in his hometown which is suffering from rising unemployment, increasing poverty and an large number of people trying to get on to food stamps

    • idamag

      The difference in Paul Ryan and an a**hole is the a**hole has a valuable purpose in our lives.

  • Bill

    Just what do you expect from a GOP IDIOT?

  • grettalulu

    Doesn’t Paul Ryan personify that old expression, “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”? He’s supposed to be an intellectual because he has a BA and read Rand? How low our standards are, and how dangerous.

  • ExRadioGuy15

    Recently, I found a paper that updates an old test on how to “score” someone to determine whether they’re a sociopath, psychopath or sane. The test has 18 components in which the person’s activity is rated on a scale of zero to two. If someone scores 20-25 points, they’re a sociopath; if they score 26 or higher, they’re a psychopath. I’ve scored a couple dozen GOP politicians, half of them Conservatives (like Mr. Ryan) and half of them Tea Partiers (Michele Bachmann among them). Every Tea Partier scored in the range of 22-25, making them sociopaths. Every Conservative rated scored 29 or higher, making them psychopaths. For quite a while, I’ve been saying that one of the 10 Tenets of the GOP is insanity. It appears that, in regards to Conservatives and Tea Partiers, I’m 100% correct.
    There’s a misconception that sociopaths and psychopaths are the same. They are not. There are four distinct differences between the two, and each one of them apply in studying the GOP Conservatives and Tea Partiers. For instance: while the sociopath will feel a little guilty about what they’re doing, psychopaths do not. They have no shame nor any remorse. Another difference is intelligence. Psychopaths are much more intelligent than the sociopaths, which is why psychopaths are more dangerous and tougher to “catch” when they start committing criminal acts.

    • jrj1701

      ExRadioGuy15 could you be more specific. Which old test is it and where can it be found??? Thanks in advance.

      • ExRadioGuy15

        jrj: I thought I had bookmarked the link to it online, but I can’t find it right now. If and when I do, I’ll copy and paste the link on here. Suffice it to say that GOP Cons exhibit all of the classic signs of psychopaths and the GOP Teahadists the classic signs of sociopaths. For more than a year, I’ve been correctly saying that one of the 10 Tenets of the GOP is insanity. Recently, I’ve found several papers or articles that have come to that same conclusion. The papers come from those who work in the mental health field and the articles are based on the conclusions mental health professionals have drawn.

        • jrj1701

          Thanks,it would be interesting to know. I have always believed that those of the extremes tend to one form of insanity or another.

          • Mark Forsyth

            If I may interject a fraction of humor,I’d say that I wouldn’t mind being insane as long as I was on the right side.

          • jrj1701

            KNow what ya mean, yet even the right side is fractured.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Yup,such is the corrupting influence of money in politics.

          • ExRadioGuy15

            I still can’t find the link, but, I did take the components of it and put them onto a spreadsheet and made it so that simply putting in the rating numbers (0-2) for each component gives you a score…..

            The components are in four groups…

            Interpersonal is the first….


            grandiose self worth

            pathological lying


            next is Affective

            lack of remorse/guilt



            fail to accept responsibility

            Then, lifestyle:

            stimulation seeking



            parasitic orientation

            lack realistic goals

            Last is anti-social:

            poor behavior controls

            early behavior problems

            juvenile delinquency

            revocation of conditional relativity.

            criminal versatility

            Apparently, there used to be 20 components, meaning the highest score would be 40 and 30 is the minimum for a psychopath. However, if we take four points off from that because there are 18 components, that makes 26 points needed for psychopathology. The 20-25 for a sociopath was something I came up with.

  • Paul Ryan doesn’t even follow Ayn Rand. He publicly disavowed her as soon as he found out she wasn’t a fan of organized religion.

    Instead, Ryan follows a much simpler mantra: Narcissism. He has his, he wants more, and be damned if he’s going to let anyone have anything before he can get it first, especially not any of those filthy brown-skinned democrats.

    • CPAinNewYork

      If Ryan represents a conservative district, he’ll be in Congress for as long as he wants to be in Congress. So, if he’s defeated, it will be as a result of a revolution. In that case, he won’t receive the benefit of a trial.

  • TZToronto

    One of the functions of Sociology is to debunk conventional wisdom. Almost daily, sociologists will present research findings that show that what many people think is true really isn’t. In fact, the “truth” is often the polar opposite of conventional wisdom. I think that most on the far right are either so wrapped up in their ideology and “what they know is true” or just too lazy to consider other ideas that they end up living in a Bizarro World in which what they believe is almost always wrong.

    • charleo1

      Very good. You’re onto a subject with these radical retros, and
      assorted ideologues, I find a very fascinating topic. What makes
      them tick? For example, what is their decision making process
      when it comes to this decidedly, Bizarro World stuff, that surely
      not all of them agree with? It seems nothing is so off the wall,
      outlandish, racist, or just plain nuts enough, for even one to say, now hold on! I’m a Republican Conservative, and I don’t believe that! Or that’s not in our platform! At least I haven’t heard it yet. And it’s not always obscure members that at times, completely obliterate the lines between partisan spin, which happens on both sides, and is expected. And,insane asylum quality assertions, said with the utmost seriousness. Without a single publicized objection, from any member, anywhere. Is it Ronald Reagan’s admonition to, “Never speak ill of a fellow Republican.” that creates this? This willingness to deliberately adopt, or consent to by their silence, whatever happens to fall out of any nut job Republican’s mouth? I don’t know, but I’d be interested in more of your thoughts on this.

      • FredAppell

        Great point my friend. At least progressives can claim to not believe in lock step. Here’s the twist, conservatives say the same thing about us. You and I can disagree on a variety of things but we don’t fight about those differences, we acknowledge each other’s beliefs and then find our common ground again. A conservative witnessing that may not catch those nuances, either because their incapable or just choose not to but instead they choose to accuse us of what they themselves are guilty of. Furthermore, conservatives lack the tact to come here and talk openly and honestly without stating something in a combative tone. I have talked to some of them in a disarming manner which they don’t expect and they respond appropriately which tells me their attitude is deliberate. As long as we are agreeable with them they’re fine
        which also proves they don’t respect differences of opinion on any subject. They seem to be very tribal but they accuse us of being collectivists because we believe the needs of community are important. I have to stop now, just thinking about it makes my brain ache.

    • Mark Forsyth

      Much of it comes down to people who fail to do the work of critical thinking.They usually are those who accept appearances over facts.
      Groupthink comes to mind.

  • ThomasBonsell

    Seems things never change in the conservative mind.

    We were told for several years of the glory of self-motivation and responsibility for ones own accomplishments by one Barry Goldwater, who inherited his vast wealth, and publisher Steve Forbes, whose accomplishments in life were being born and waiting for Daddy to die.

    We are now told that people in poverty have certain shortcomings in their character that makes them poor. We hear it from all angles of the right. What we never hear is that the poverty rate under Jimmy Carter of 11.4% shot up to 15.1% under Ronald Reagan-George H.W. Bush (about 12 million Americans), then fell to 11.3% under Bill Clinton before shooting up again under George W. Bush to more than 15%. Nor do we hear about how the rule of conservative Republicans in the White House creates those character defects and how a Democrat of any persuasion in the White House cures the same defects.

    If we thought Ayn Rand-loving conservatives had anything to offer on economics perhaps we should require NASA to define its mission on the lessons of Dr. Who and build its space ships on the designs of the Tardis.

  • Mark Forsyth

    Paul Ryan and his bloodsucking plutocrat buddies would do well to pay heed to what another American Irishman named John Fitzgerald Kennedy once said: “When non-violent revolution becomes impossible,violent revolution becomes inevitable.” Since I’m not advocating anything violent,I would like to offer what I’ll call my own modest proposal to Paul Ryan:”Eat Shit And Die,Dirtbag.”

    • idamag

      Paul Ryan is one of the biggest welfare recipients of all. He takes a big salary, has excellent benefits, and his retirement and benefits will follow him forever. Since he does not earn that salary and benefits, he is a leach on society. He has never brought up corporate welfare and farm subsidies, showing his bigotry for inner-city people.

      • Mark Forsyth

        Given his early background I find his current perspective difficult to figure.Apparently he is a devotee of Ayn Rand but I never thought that merely reading her would corrupt a person’s moral fiber.I am left feeling that Ryan may truly be constitutionally incapable of rigorous honesty.

  • rzinny1

    If Paul Ryan went into any place of worship, and Jesus walked in, he would throw Ryan out with the rest of the of the Pharacies and Hipracrites. People like Ryan and the rest of the Tea Partiers, think the the ONLY cause for not being economically successful is Laziestness.They can’t see that the biggest road block to economic success is the greed for Big profits and Huge Salaries. They cannot see that they are the problem. Everything they do, make it harder for the people on the other end. They can not see that they want to reverse,is what Lincoln abolished. Slavery. When a few have the $$$ and the rest don’t, that’s a form of slavery.

    • Mark Forsyth

      Gandhi once said that poverty is slavery and the worst form of violence.

      • rzinny1

        true! and people who think like paul ryan are making more and more economically middle class people, poor.

        • Mark Forsyth

          If more folks would wake up to the fact specific corporate,banking,and government personell are making war on us,then we might start to see things move in a more positive direction.The revolution starts between the ears.

          • rzinny1

            Unfortunately, It going to take a “Hot” war in the U.S. to make those changes. Just think back, the revolutionary war, civil war, civil rights “riots” ,Kent state. All acts of violence, to start change.
            As a cashier in a store that sells ammo, I hear comments from these customers who are preparing themselves for violence. Some people got to wake up!!! The question comes down to, who are the police,national guard and federal forces going to take sides with? Their families? or the political powers? I do not suport violance, but people do not learn from history. Yet we teach history in school. Why?

          • Mark Forsyth

            I haven’t sat in on any classes in a long time but my impression is that what is being taught along with how it is taught is radically different than when I was in school.I know that civics aren’t taught anymore and I suspect that social studies either take a back seat to other subjects or the kids receive a revisionist version.
            As for which side the authorities will lean to,that indeed is difficult to answer.Rest assured that the big money will have its own security forces no matter what.I have owned hunting style firearms and ammo most of my adult lifeand given the present state of affairs,I wonder if it might be a good idea to stock up for the proverbial “rainy day”

          • rzinny1

            Like I said , I have a lot of repeating customers coming in and stocking up on ammo. Soon as we get a shipment in, people come in and buy the limit. And the hunting season does not last the whole year long.
            Why does anyone think congress does not want to outlaw the sale of “machine guns” Those guns are not for the hunter, collectors, or self protection. They are for crowd control.

          • CPAinNewYork

            The revolution starts with a charismatic leader.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I would recommend some research on so-called charismatic leaders.They and their programs often leave a trail of disillusioned people behind.Don’t forget that Jim Jones was supposed to be charismatic.Revolutions never have “started”with a charismatic leader,they come much later and in some cases have nothing to do with revolution.

          • CPAinNewYork

            The discontent, anger, hatred, etc. starts before the revolution, but “revolution” is an act, an attempt to overthrow the government.

            The Russian revolution started with the emergence of Lenin. The French revolution started with the emergence of men like Danton, Robespierre, etc. The American revolution started with the rhetoric of Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty.

            As to disillusionment: That depends on one’s point of view, on whose ox gets gored. The Russian and French aristocracies were certainly disillusioned by their revolutions, as were the loyalists by the American revolution.

            I’ll stick to my point: Revolutions are started by charismatic leaders.

          • Mark Forsyth

            Revolutions are started by a thought that varies from or opposes the status quo,not by charismatic persons,though they may sometimes lead them.The thought begins to take form and move when it is shared by the masses.Lenin was a leader not a thinker.The Russian revolution began with the writings of Karl Marx. The writings of Sam Adams gave a voice and put a label on the anger of the people over things like taxation without representation.The people did not require Adams to tell them what was wrong,they knew it first hand.Adams was the machine that helped to further spread and validate the feelings of the masses and helped to transform the feeling into action.Adams was about equally opposed as he was favored by American colonials.Even among those who were as educated as he was and also took issue with English policies,Adams and his pronouncements were not given carte blanche approval.
            We may differ on our interpretations of the words leader and charismatic.Some people use the words interchangeably.I seldom describe or view someone as being charismatic.I think that takes an exceptional and specific quality that is not always well described or tangible.Something tells me that Lenin would have eschewed the term if applied to himself.

    • idamag

      If Jesus walked in, Ryan would point to him as an example of a person who doesn’t have a steady job and takes welfare.

      • rzinny1

        yes he has a job, fisherman, a physician, and miracle worker. Look all the fish he has collected in the boat. look at all the people he cured, and look at the 5000 people he fed with fish and bread.
        And he did it for free.

        • idamag

          When we talk about a job, we are talking about gainfully employed. Yes, his contributions to the world were fabulous, but he didn’t have a job as defined by certain politicians. When women started working outside the home, housewives said they had a job. They were nutritionists, homemakers, nurses, counselors, etc. However, every working wife and mother was all those things in addition to. So instead of worrying about how many angels will fit on the head of a pin, Jesus had a calling. He didn’t have a job.

  • DodgeMiniVan

    I would like to know when will both Republican parties take their collective heads out of the sand and realize it is their actions that have driven the country to the state it is in.
    By allowing Corporate Boards of Directors and CEO’s to move their manufacturing base out of the country, to eliminate medical coverage, and, eliminating company paid pension after thirty to forty years of service.
    The party of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt has become a total disgrace.
    They would have never declared Ketchup a vegetable as it was during the Reagan administration.
    Rep. Ryan needs to look at school children whose lunches are subsidized and say, “There, for the grace of God, goes I”.

    • Mark Forsyth

      He has forgotten and ignored the virtue of gratitude.

  • Brent

    Words surely do have consequences and also offer a view into the inner conversation… sometimes revealing more than the speaker anticipated to be revealed…

  • jne4klpk

    Pure Fascist name calling. It’s the poor, it’s the Jews, it’s the Liberals, but not me, says Ryan. I await his trial.

  • Daniel Jones

    Dr. Ben Carson, I am looking at you as I read this, as you seem to have the exact same problem.

  • MollyBee64

    This is an article that I would love to read aloud to that young whippersnapper, Ryan, who apparently cares about nothing except to gain political importance. He is a scary lad, indeed.

  • lilylongflower1

    the consequences so far have been that mr. ryan has been elected to congress 8 times. this rhetoric is a dog whistle to the base, he knows it, we know it. no one misunderstands what he means by these words and his excuses ring hollow.

    when wisconsinites have had enough they’ll vote for someone else, right now it appears the majority is happy with this jerk.

  • Alexis Bannister

    Since free markets spontaneously make us aware of where to apply our efforts, centralized planning and control are useless in free markets.

  • MiloFitzgerald

    Ha.Ha, Ha, a heartfelt story my eye, we will be out to vote this fall.

  • Hughes Hunt

    Many of us 335 million Americans are computer literate, educated, intelligent, Facebook users, up-to-date in sports, movies, TV, money matters, yet how could we have allowed and condoned scofflaws, criminals, deceitful, devious, dishonest, corrupt politicians to be elected to U.S. Congress who are highly paid but have done nothing for our best interests, nothing to create jobs for 25 million jobless among us since they are totally focused in having enacted bills into laws that solely benefit the top wealthy one percent and in enriching themselves disguised as corporations, as well as in protecting corporate welfare, tax breaks, oil and farm subsidies? How could we have been so naive and gullible, for the past 40 years, to have allowed ourselves to be so blind as not to have seen the systematic decimation of the middle class among us and to have been fooled, misled, with a snow job on racism, terrorism, fear, despite our knowledge that politicians have never cared about us nor our children nor our generation but have only needed our votes on Election Day? When will We realize that the top wealthy one percent led by billionaires like the Koch brothers via their money and corporate media have total control of 5 SCOTUS justices, 30 GOP (Greedy Obstructionist Plutocrats) governors, Republican-Tea Potties, members of Congress, who have systematically plotted and executed, for the past 35 years, income inequality, to force us to fight over crumbs among ourselves, in order to divide and easily conquer us, with the ultimate goal of privatizing Social Security, voucherizing Medicare, gradual elimination of Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, social safety nets, health care reform, under the guise of Lying Ryan’s Budget Plan? Don’t we realize that only by being united, well-organized and well- financed with one common goal of voting out of office all the scumbags and career criminals in Congress, to be replaced with politicians who care for the best interests of Americans, will there ever be change and betterment in the lives of ourselves, our children and generations after them? Persistence, perseverance, and dogged determination to win must needs be our attitude during this period of the worst Congress in the 238-year history of the United States..