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Only an idiot thinks the post office problems are Republican. How about e-mail and electronic bill paying? Do you think they have any influence on a dying snail mail delivery system that loses BILLIONS every year?
And now…. the REAL Cartoon of the Day!
Have a nice day!
“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” — Milton Friedman
I have an idea. Deliver Grandma her medicine by e-mail to, “my town is so small all we have is a Post OffIce”, Texas (Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Maine, West Virginia, or Etc. U.S.A.). The U.S. Postal Service in the only delivery service mandated by law to deliver the mail to Everywhere, U.S.A. The USPS carries lots and lots and lots of pieces of mail that other carriers will not carry (because they don’t have to, there is too much of it and they can’t charge enough to make it profitable and no one would use them at that rate – so they leave it for the USPS to carry because by law they have to carry it and the capital investment required to process and deliver all the small mail would be a real financial burden). The USPS just plain carries lots and lots and lots more mail than anyone else. Was UPS and FedEx required to fund their pensions 75 years in advance? The cartoon is a reference to that news topic, which of course has been in the news for several days now and you don’t know about because you don’t ever concern yourself with the news or facts for that matter. Surely e-mail and online payment capability affect the financial circumstances of the USPS, but as with almost everything the problem is a bit more complex than you suggest. I await your screeching, saliva spitting, name calling response.
Also, many shipments originating with FEDX and UPS go to local post offices for local delivery. This puts the time consuming, costly part of delivery on the Post Office. The Repubs need to get off the USPS’s back and leave this American institution alone. They want to privatize the mails along with everything else.
Hi InsaneJane. I hope you are well.
“There is no such thing as a free lunch.” – Milton Friedman, his book by that title
comaboy… you still hitting that crack pipe of yours? You should lay off it for a few days.
Re: USPS… I have nothing against them whatsoever. But the finances are the finances. The numbers speak for themselves. The business has been in decline for a long time and the advent of the internet has had HUGE impact on this. What does any business do to survive? They cut costs. This is what they are doing. What they should do is raise their prices to a point that reflects the real cost and value of delivering mail. But then, you leftist freaks will scream and moan because someone will actually have to pay for the true value and cost of the service. The only way for the USPS to thrive again would be to privatize it. But you leftist freaks would spaz out over that because you love government (despite all the evidence of it’s failure) and you hate business. It really boils down to that.
Have a nice day, comaboy!
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” – Milton Friedman in an interview with Richard Heffner
I guess you prefer having your head up your crack to smoking crack — congratulations.
Once again you come out here to spew your redneck bigot lies. We all know that rednecks slurp up all the tax revenue from the ‘liberal’ states, because a) they’re greedy, and b) they’re too stupid to get a good job. Then (of course) they lie about it, blaming ‘liberals’ for the taxes that they just snorted up.
The US Postal Service isn’t allowed to make a profit, and it’s purpose is to provide a valuable service to the public at affordable prices. Naturally, right-wing bigots hate this because there is no stealing or price-gouging involved. If right-wing bigots can’t use an agency to steal or cheat, then they will try their best to destroy it. That’s why Congressional wing-nuts passed a law forcing the Postal Service to prefund the next 75 years worth of retirement obligations within 10 years. No other government agency is required to do such a thing, and it’s not surprising that the Postal Service’s finances are wrecked by such a requirement.
Finally, the USPS is one of the few agencies explicitly authorized by the US Constitution. Right-wing redneck bigots hate this because they hate the US Constitution — except where they can use it to cheat or steal.
whutamoronyouare… that pile of dung inside your skull is so twisted and screwed up you can’t think straight for 2 seconds, can you? The USPS is NOT an agency of the government, you idiot. It’s called a “Government Owned Enterprise” and is accounted for as an “Enterprise Fund”, almost identical to a private business accounting, and it’s completely separate from the government’s books. It is allowed to make a profit, but they don’t call it that. They call it a “surplus”. Further, you moron, while they may try to offer delivery at “affordable prices” (by the way who defines what affordable is?) just like EVERY business tries to offer their products and services at “affordable prices” to their customers and market place, this does not mean that they cannot charge rates that cover their costs of operation. Nor does it mean that taxpayers must subsidize the cost of mail delivery. I know you leftist freaks love government subsidies and wealth stealing…. errr redistribution… but it doesn’t have any bearing on the reality that any business must cover it’s costs to stay in business. The USPS is no different. They should be privatized and raise their rates.
whutamoronyouare…. you actually are one of the more stupid people on here posting comments. And that’s saying something because there are a lot of leftist idiots on The Memo. Reading your painful thought processes leads me to conclude a number of things about you:
1) You probably are not educated beyond high school, and may have been one of those that got their diploma on the “Get-that-damned-idiot-out-of-our-school” plan.
2) You are/were a laborer your whole life, or worked in government like all people that cant get and keep a job in the private sector must do.
3) You have NEVER been involved with running a business.
4) Your IQ can’t be any higher than 60.
Too bad for you. You are a dope. You should keep your mouth shut. It’s in your best intersts.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.” – Mark Twain
Your whole life revolves around the fact that you are a bigoted loser. You come out here and spew lies about Barack Obama every day because you just can’t stand that a black man is superior to you in every way.
The US Postal Service IS a government agency, you moron — it’s just an ‘independent’ one. The ‘independent’ status was created in 1971 under the Postal Reorganization Act, which was a direct response to a strike in 1970. Before that it was a cabinet-level government agency.
Because you are a loser and a redneck bigot, you have nothing better to do than come out here and spew idiotic lies on a daily basis. I can’t even give you any points for originality, because everything you post is pulled from some right-wing nut-bag site or gathered while humping the legs of people like Rush Limbaugh.
Like every other slack-jawed, sister-humping redneck bigot, you slurp up every government benefit you can find while whining and sniveling about paying your taxes. Your instinct is to lie, cheat and steal rather than earn your own keep — which is just as well because you’re too stupid to earn your keep anyway. President Obama infuriates you because he reminds you that you are a loser who isn’t even qualified to shine his shoes.
Despite the fact that you hate Obama (because he’s black and outclasses you in every possible way), he is your leader and you will do what he tells you to do. It’s that simple — nobody asked you whether or not you like it.
whutamoronyouare… you must be one of those black guys with a race chip on your shoulder so big it crowns your head out. Everything out of cow-dung filled skull of yours is about race. Dude, that was settled like 150 years ago….. with 300,00+ WHITES giving their lives to end slavery.
Get over it you racist maggot.
“Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.” — P.J. O’Rourke, Civil Libertarian
Like every other blast of hot gas that comes out of your mouth, this one too is full of shit. I’m not black, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t laugh at how infuriated drooling bigot rednecks like you get over Obama. How did you like the fact that a black man whupped your ass — twice?
Yes, Obama will be your leader for 4 more years, and he’ll be black the WHOLE TIME!
You just be a good boy and behave yourself — got it?
Name the biggest business in the nation which operates a 100% loss every year. No one much grosses about those finances (it also spends a ton of taxpayer money making private individuals very wealthy), although there are efforts afoot to privatize as many of its operations as possible. Save ourselves tons of tax money and pass the cost on to the consumer directly. Let us take this model of everything that has ever been done or ever needs to be done should be done so that someone makes a lot of money doing it out to its logical conclusion. Mercenaries instead of a national armed forces. Save us all that veteran’s administration horse shit and no more money wasted on vets like me and my father. I am sure Schlumberger, Bechtal, CACI, Titan, SCG International Risk, and Blackwater, Xe, or Academi (whatever they call themselves today) have great benefits and pension plans for their employees and can be relied upon if the price is right to protect the nation. You can pay for all or as little defense as you need. This will mesh really well with the NRA’s program to turn every American home into a well armed and bunkered quasi military structure. If you can afford your own artillery, aircraft and tanks then you don’t have to pay the private security companies at all just provide your own national defense. If the finances issue is king, then the finances of doing things should rule all. However, if some things are actually too important to be left to the vagaries of bottom lines and profit margins maybe that isn’t such a good idea.
You pay for it one way or the other. Frequently, and often hidden from view, by the talking points of particular political views, it is more efficient, effective and less expensive to do it the non-private enterprise way. No private company can provide at a profit, the service provided by and mandated by law that the USPS provides. There wouldn’t be a mail problem with FedEx in charge because you couldn’t afford to mail a letter. (The positive would be no more of those crap business ads in the mail, that the USPS carries for virtually nothing.) Some things need to be done by government because the doing of them needs to be done in the “national” or the “public” interest. Private enterprise does things that are in its financial best interest. That interest are only accidentally, incidentally, and occasionally the same as the national or public interest. So I guess what you see as utopia is a society where the only concern anyone has for your health, welfare and best interest is when they can figure out a way to profit from you and from it. If this were Star Trek you would be a Ferengi.
Guess what, Obozo? The USPS is a quasi-private enterprise like the TVA and is required to survive on the revenue it takes in with no Federal tax money allowed. The big problem is that Congress still is right there to stick a monkey wrench in the works anytime the USPS tries to modernize things plus the USPS is not allowed to arbitrarily set their prices but has to submit studies showing how much something is costing them to a commission and it is up to the commission how much shall be allowed and they don’t allow much because they are politicians first and executives second.
Germany does have a private postal system that has the advantage of servicing a much more compact and built up area than the US and they only have to charge a little over $0.60 USD for a letter. The same system for the US would possibly make a profit at $1.65 for a letter but I bet that they would adopt the every other day delivery that I suggested to the Post Office many decades ago to be able to streamline the system.
Hey Ralph! I hope you are well today. I read your post and agree with you 100%. That’s exactly why the USPS should be privatized… to get away from politicians controlling their business based on political motivations and not business motivations. Politicians screw everything up. And the fact that Germany has a differing geography and population distribution doesn’t change the principles involved. If it costs us more, then it costs us more. What can you do? Make everyone move to one giant city so mail delivery costs are lower? Of course not. Let them compete like every other delivery service must compete. Also, do you think smaller private businesses would open up to take care of their own rural areas. I actually have private delivery at my office complex because USPS does not deliver here and I am 1 mile down the road from them!!! It’s no big deal. Most of the postal guys I know would love to be privatized and compete in the market place. I agree with them.
Have a great day, Ralph!
“Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.” – Winston Churchill
You know postal guy who want the USPS privatized, Obozo!!! WOW! I wonder who they paid to take the entrance exam because they are obviously too stupid to pass it on their own. I don’t know of any one who would prefer a minimum wage job to a fairly decent paying one and, face it, any private enterprise doing daily door to door delivery shall either pay minimum wage or pay by the piece. That by the piece pay is why UPS deliverymen make a lot more than their supervisors.
The biggest problem with privatizing the PO is that it would be cherry picked with big corporations snatching up places such as NYC & and LA basin, medium sized outfits picking up areas with population over 200,000 and the rest left high and dry. Well, not really, because the USPS would be left with all the remote areas and subject to even more criticism because they would have to be folded back into the government and start using taxpayer money. Oh, Yeah, and I bet all those private companies would get their lobbyists in gear to rack up subsidies from the US taxpayer in order to boost their profits ala petroleum companies, etc.
Good morning big O, the postal service have manage to raise the rate for there service to keep price and cost in line. There problem began when congress (republican control) force them to fund their pension fund 75 yrs in advance. About the billions they loose every year, whom do they owe the money too. One large group of people that work for USPS or ex-military some of you and the republican favorite folks. The postal service, have lost a lot of their customers, but not your homies in the rural area of those red state, where 30% of all UPS and FED EX parcels are carried by the local postman. About the federal government and Mr (incredible bread machine) there are a couple of places that have not much gov-ment SUDAN AND SOMALIA got lot of sand there.
Good morning to you, also, Vern. I hope you are well today. You won’t find me defending Congress too much. That’s for damned sure. And when the USPS carries packages for Fed Ex/UPS, they are paid to do so. That’s actually a good thing for the USPS because they get to participate in fees for that which they would otherwise not have.
Like I said, Vern, I don’t have anything whatsoever against the USPS or anyone that works there. What’s wrong with it is the fact that it’s controlled by government and is therefor a political pawn, not a real business. If they are losing money, it’s because their rates do not cover their costs and pension funding is included in costs. I think that ANY great businessman would love to take over and turn the greatest postal delivery system in the world into highly profitable juggernaut. USPS has tremendous reach and assets that should be utilized better. While the Constitution requires that Congress set up postal services, there is not requirement that it remain owned by government. They could maintain regulatory oversight of them just like they do every other business in America. I know a couple of postal workers that love to have them go private, as well. They want to be unchained and have a real opportunity to compete. Why not allow them to?
By the way, don’t you think you’re stretching it just a bit Vern by equating privatization of the USPS with anarchy in Somalia and Sudan? I think so.
Have a great day, Vern!
“The most important single central fact about a free market is that no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit.” – Milton Friedman
Stop lying, you hate the USPS. You hate it for the same reason that every right-wing bigot hates it: It provides a valuable service to the public, regardless of race, without cheating or stealing.
If Republican nut-bags didn’t hang the crushing requirement of prefunding 75 years of retirement obligations in 10 years the Postal Service wouldn’t be in such rough shape. Congress can fix this, but they won’t do it as long as they cannot cheat, steal, or deny services to minorities.
Out of the 200+ bills that Congress actually passed this past session, a large per centage was to “Name New Post Offices”!
The R’s hate the USPS but they still want the power to name them!
The least productive Congress in history!
Look at how many large companies have gone bankrupt and, while the owners and officers have taken out huge profits, they renegged on retirement benefits. Workers depending on those benefits were not even considered in their actions! If those companies had been “Required by Congress” to fund those retirement accounts, for all employees for the next 75 years, and do it now, there would have been outrage about “government trying to control our businesses”!
Hypocrites, and OMG is the worst of them!
I think if more people realized that the Postal Service was actually delivering all of those packages in rural America, they might stop spending the high rates of Fed Ex and use the Post Office in the first place?
Whew! I’m staying out of this one, OMG! You sound as vicious as that pygmy guard elephant in the cartoon. You could have possibly caused serious injury with those attacks on WhutHeSaid. Did Mrs. OMG burn your breakfast this morning? Over starch your shirt? I’m not going to comment. I don’t want to get my eyebrows singed off.
Maybe tomorrow will be better. Enjoy the rest of your day!
“The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern.” — Lord Acton
Hey Metro! You have nothing to worry about. You’re safe at all times. But whutamoronishe is insufferably stupid and ignorangt. He’s also racist pig. Usually, those 2 go hand in hand.
Take Mrs. Metro out for a nice dinner tonight. She deserves it.
Have a great weekend, my friend!
“It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctively American criminal class except congress.” — Mark Twain
I would, but Mrs. Metro is going out without me tonight. Perhaps I will take myself out to dinner, however. After I feed and walk the dogs. I can’t get far, though. She will have the car. I will only have my golf cart, so I will have to stay fairly close to home. Looks like it might be a Quizno’s Sub night. Perhaps a Philly Cheesesteak. They’re not authentic, but they’re pretty good.
Have a great day!
Ahhhhhhhh… Philly Cheesesteaks…. when I lived close to there, I got hooked on them and am now a cheesesteak snob. I can’t eat just any cheesesteak. I look at how they’re prepared, the roll, the quality and type of meat, the extras… the whole 9 yards. Then decide if I’m going to get one. It’s a high bar I have set. There’s only about 4or 5 places that I’ll get a cheesesteak from, pending where I’m heading if I have reason to travel there. I’ve found it’s also better for the waistline. This one was my favorite: mamaspizzeria(dot)com. A whole one weighs about 2 lbs and is guaranteed to put you to sleep if you eat the whole thing. Unfortunately, there’s not a picture of it on their website. Maybe I’ll find a reason to travel to Philly once again soon now that you have my brain completely awash in cheesesteak thoughts. Thanks Metro!
Here’s a good pic of one….
Have a great night, regardless of what you do.
“The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin.” — Mark Twain
I’am sorry you miss understood I was talking about Milton Friedman and his commenting on the federal gov-ment. Remember it was one of his class at the U of Chicago that created the incredible bread machine, about government and taxes.
Well, Obozo, I must admit that I considered the German postal service the best in the world when I found out how they were doing things back in the 1960s. Every night they would load their mail bags on assigned seats in passenger planes (This seat, Frankfurt, that one Hamburg, etc.) and 8 planes would fly to a ninth airport. Each plane would then transfer their mail to the proper destination plane. This pretty much guaranteed next day delivery and also showed just how little mail Germans had to work compared with the US. Back in the 60s I worked in a PO in a town of 80,000 and we got over 250,000 letters every morning which would fill half of a passenger plane.
Leave it the Obozo the Clown also known as the FAUX news drone to defend the Repukes against anything and everything!
How appropriate that you would quote Milton Friedman. Based upon your response to what “Lovefacts” had to say, you apparently think that what he said about the Republicans requiring the Post Office to fund their pension is false. Perhaps you should check it out. Maybe reading something by someone with a little more intellectual clout than Morgan Freeman would prove beneficial. And what “Lovefacts” had to say about the Constitutional justification for the Post Office is found in a very readable document. And I don’t think it would be too difficult to find verification of what he said about the Republican desire to disband the Post Office entirely. That one is a no-brainer, after all the Post Office is a non-military branch of the Federal government, a category of agencies the Republican Party deems worthless and useless.
I was talked into electronic bill pay and the companies are still sending paper bills in the mail years later? WTF!
I feel your pain, adrian. I feel your pain. I have a couple that still do, also.
Have a nice weekend!
“Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” — Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850)
Many decades ago, back in the days before Al Gore funded our current type of Internet and ruined the productivity of office workers (the original Internet was used by scientists and university students to exchange pornography), the Post Office instituted a service that would scan your message, send it to the PO printer closest to the destination, print it, and an employee would insert the message into an envelope to be delivered by the carrier. Next day delivery guaranteed. It did not take long for Congress to jump in and force the Post Office to curtail that service because it “violated the sanctity of the mails” (the clerks could read your mail before putting it in an envelope). Of course, the real reason was that Western Union was losing revenue.
How about the Republican controlled Congress under Bush “W” passing legislation that forced the Post Office to fully fund their Pension fund 75 years into the future and forbid it from doing anything but delivering mail, packages, and selling stamps? Oh, yes, and let’s not forgot the Republicans stated desire to do away with the Post Office all together.
For a party that touts it believes in the Constitution, it sure knows nothing about it. Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress “To establish Post Offices and post Roads.” The Supreme has construed this Clause to give Congress the enumerated power to designate mail routes and construct or designate post offices, with the implied authority to carry, deliver, and regulate the mails of the United States as a whole.
Can you all please stop the name calling and calling each other stupid? We still need the post office to get mail to the places that FexX and UPS will not go because the volume mail and packages is too small for them to make any money.
Like Rehnquist before him, Roberts has seldom if ever ruled for labor, consumers, environs, the poor or the First & Fourth Amendments…he’s a shameless ideologue who, in Scandinavia or the Nederlands, would risk impeachment for class bias…his originalism ['strict contruction'] is a patent fraud…at any event, were The Fathers alive today they’d be stunned by the opacity of jurisprudential excuses for drones, torture & undeclared war–not to speak of hegemonism…our future is one of surveillance & manipulation…it will be super-efficient, but will it be humane?…is The Borg a mere matter of time?
I thought this cartoon and the ones like them were supposed to be funny but all I can understand is they are written by people who hate the GOP !
Congress will abuse the Post Office, but they’ll NEVER ‘do away’ with it.
Not as long as they can contiue to ‘cash in’ on their Free Franking rights.
,..and they WILL.
Congress is the REASON the Post Office is in trouble in the first place.
Bulk Mail (junk mail that everybody hates) is ‘rate capped’ by congress.
The Post Office loses money on every piece they deliver. AT THE COMMAND OF CONGRESS.
The USPS has been wanting to raise the rates to a level that will at least match the costs for over 40 years. As First Class shrinks (faxs, emails, UPS and Fedex), the Bulk Mail becomes a larger and larger portion of their work flow. That’s why they keep running into deeper and deeper debt.
The answer is simple,…
RAISE THE RATES ON JUNK MAIL.
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