That’s a well though-out and deep comeback.

You fight me, you fight the whole trailer park! How bigoted you are to make fun of those who live in trailer parks. How very insensitive!

Come to think about, get used to the idea of living in a trailer. Under Obama II, it may be all you ever be able to afford, if even that much! You voted for him!

rothgar, I wasn’t quoting the Bible correctly, and reading your post, I can see why you didn’t know that. I know that it may make you feel better to wish to project onto others what you do. Regardless of the careless way in which you allude to Christians, and the Lord Jesus as homosexual, it doesn’t pass muster. Read this (it is an actual quote from the Bible):

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, NIV)

We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. (1 Timothy 1:9-11, NIV)

Imagine all of that from the Apostle Paul. What did you call him — “closet queen.”?

Now in fairness, there is no precise consensus on the translation of the hot-button terms in this passage. Look at some of the alternatives:

Some translations translate malakos and arsenokoites as one word or phrase, such as “men who practise homosexuality” (English Standard Version), “homosexual perverts” (Good News Bible), or “sexual perverts” (Revised English Bible, Revised Standard Version (2nd Edition)).

Now that we have cleared that up, let me tell you that Christians do not hate you!!!!!! We are NOT in the hate business.

You have an intellectual faith. Have you ever heard the term “missing heaven by 18″ ?

What you demonstrate is essentially that what is described “even the devils believe and they tremble…” If you moved your belief from your head (where it is not bearing fruit) to your heart, your whole life would change.

Intellectual faith is NOT saving faith, and Christians know that nothing perverse was in the life of Jesus or the disciples, or true Christians of any century. It seems that you are on a slippery slope, not the solid rock.

No man who knows him would ever refer to Him as you have. You do obviously know about Him, however. Your references to the characters in the Book are evidence only of your own delusion. Nothing perverse is there.

What man does not sniff the milk before drinking to see if it is good or bad? It is common sense, not judgmentalism. However, your first post demonstrates that you see perversity, and merely reflects what is in you. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work. Titus 1: 5-16.

There is true faith, and false. It seems most obvious that the Bible is not your absolute authority. The N.T. is NOT a social gospel. It is not a suggestion. It is divine, and alive. However, Christians through the ages have NOT doubted the authority, or the necessity of obedience as the measure of their faith.

You owe it to your pastor to reveal the perverse thinking you have espoused in this blog. This is not the thinking of the denomination you say you are a member of. If the pastor knew what you think, he might explain the difference between where you are and the position of the church on being born again. It seems that you are not.

This is not a harsh criticism. It is honest, and if you truly represent yourself as here described, you are way out of tune with the beliefs of scripture, and Baptist doctrine.

Tell me, were those angels who destroyed Sodom”homophobes,”or were they expressing the will of God?

Oh, yeah. I forgot. You must have read that in II Hezekiah 3:2?

Steve, you are a dope.

What constitutes an immoral life?

One that is focused on a limited view of sexuality and condemning all who don’t meet your view of acceptable behavoir or one that is concerned about meeting the needs of all people as best as possible with the hope that your actions will serve as a means of introducing them to the saving grace.

I’d posit that the second option is far closer to the heart of Jesus.

By social gospel the point is that social justice and caring for the least of these is what we are instructed to do. The sheeps and goats are separated by their service to others not their eagerness to condemn others. In fact Jesus points out that plenty of people (antichrists he calls them) will come into the world allegedly speaking in his name and he plans on denying them just as much as the worst sinners around.

I don’t know all the answers for they are intentionally obscure, but I take my clues from the words of Christ. Someone’s choice of life partner is not my business. Making sure they get a fair/equitable chance in this world and a hand up if needed is my business see Matt 26.

I’d go for the asbestos lined boots if I were you.

I wonder how much difference it would make in your life if you had actually made it a practice to read the Book? Is this “Jesus” you know divine? There are many by that name. It seems as though the one you know is NOT the one in the Book. Apparently alluding to the one in the Book, you have seemingly forgotten that He is “God made flesh,” or you never learned that. In an earlier post, you said he along with “the disciple that He loved” was what the Book refers to as a ” homosexual pervert.” That was what you said?

When Jews were first learning the law regarding what an acceptable sacrifice consisted of, here is what they were told: “the animals you choose must be without defect… without spot or blemish.” Exodus 12. Now, according to the Book, when God left heaven and became a man, here is what Peter said: “…the costly sacrifice of Christ, who was a lamb without defect or flaw…” He goes on in the next chapter: “He committed no sin… Christ himself carried our sins in his body to the cross.” So, if the Jesus you know is living an immoral life (as defined in the Book), how do you have any hope of eternal life? Because if anyone other than a sinless person died on that cross, it was for their own sins, not yours. It was only for what they deserved, and therefore the sacrifice was worthless!

So, you might consider if this applies to you: “I have told you this many times before, and now repeat it with tears: there are many whose lives make them the enemies of Christ’s death on the cross. They are going to end up in hell, because their god is their bodily desires. They are proud of what they should be ashamed of, and they think only of things that belong to this world.” Paul (whom you called, what was it “a closet queen?), written to the Philippians.

At a recent national conference of atheists, an interviewer asked a number of the attendees this question: “If I could prove beyond all doubt, and to your total satisfaction that God does exist, would you worship Him?” Everyone asked, replied this way: “No!” You see, it isn’t that they don’t believe. All people actually DO believe, regardless of their public persona. The real issue is that they refuse to be under the authority of God. Consequently, as Paul wrote above, “…the enemies of Christ death on the cross… are going to end up in hell.” Life is ALL about choices with consequences!

So, you see. It is God who does the forgiving. It is God who does the condemning (not me as you have alluded to). It is us who must decide whether or not we choose life or death. I am but the messenger!

I wonder how much difference it would make in your life if you had actually made it a practice to read the Book? Is this “Jesus” you know divine? There are many by that name. It seems as though the one you know is NOT the one in the Book. Apparently alluding to the one in the Book, you have seemingly forgotten that He is “God made flesh,” or you never learned that. In an earlier post, you said he along with “the disciple that He loved” was what the Book refers to as a ” homosexual pervert.” That was what you said?

When Jews were first learning the law regarding what an acceptable sacrifice consisted of, here is what they were told: “the animals you choose must be without defect… without spot or blemish.” Exodus 12. Now, according to the Book, when God left heaven and became a man, here is what Peter said: “…the costly sacrifice of Christ, who was a lamb without defect or flaw…” He goes on in the next chapter: “He committed no sin… Christ himself carried our sins in his body to the cross.” So, if the Jesus you know is living an immoral life (as defined in the Book), how do you have any hope of eternal life? Because if anyone other than a sinless person died on that cross, it was for their own sins, not yours. It was only for what they deserved, and therefore the sacrifice was worthless!

So, you might consider if this applies to you: “I have told you this many times before, and now repeat it with tears: there are many whose lives make them the enemies of Christ’s death on the cross. They are going to end up in hell, because their god is their bodily desires. They are proud of what they should be ashamed of, and they think only of things that belong to this world.” Paul, (whom you called, what was it “a closet queen?) written to the Philippians.

At a recent national conference of atheists, an interviewer asked a number of the attendees this question: “If I could prove beyond all doubt, and to your total satisfaction that God does exist, would you worship Him?” Everyone asked, replied this way: “No!” You see, it isn’t that they don’t believe. All people actually DO believe, regardless of their public persona. The real issue is that they refuse to be under the authority of God. Consequently, as Paul wrote above, “…the enemies of Christ death on the cross… are going to end up in hell.” Life is ALL about choices with consequences!

So, you see. It is God who does the forgiving. It is God who does the condemning (not me as you have alluded to). It is us who must decide whether or not we choose life or death. I am but the messenger!

Part 1

I wonder how much difference it would make in your life if you had actually made it a practice to read the Book? Is this “Jesus” you know divine? There are many by that name. It seems as though the one you know is NOT the one in the Book. Apparently alluding to the one in the Book, you have seemingly forgotten that He is “God made flesh,” or you never learned that. In an earlier post, you said he along with “the disciple that He loved” was what the Book refers to as a ” homosexual pervert.” That was what you said?

When Jews were first learning the law regarding what an acceptable sacrifice consisted of, here is what they were told: “the animals you choose must be without defect… without spot or blemish.” Exodus 12. Now, according to the Book, when God left heaven and became a man, here is what Peter said: “…the costly sacrifice of Christ, who was a lamb without defect or flaw…” He goes on in the next chapter: “He committed no sin… Christ himself carried our sins in his body to the cross.” So, if the Jesus you know is living an immoral life (as defined in the Book), how do you have any hope of eternal life? Because if anyone other than a sinless person died on that cross, it was for their own sins, not yours. It was only for what they deserved, and therefore the sacrifice was worthless!

You scare me! NOT…!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will suffer more than most, pal, for your high and mighty attitude. Go back to your big megachurch and give them your lifesavings! And remember, I still see all of your unkindness and sarcasm in your posts. You should talk! HA!

Likewise I am sure. So stop putting people down you know nothing about. When it happens to you you don’t like it do you? That is called the “Golden Rule”.

Just as you do not know the people you are insulting and criticizing, yet you feel free to spew on and on and on.

Get one so you can be another Don Quixote! haha

Talk about wishful thinking!

Here are a few of the notable statements: “I want to create a National Defense Force, as well equipped, and as well trained as the military, to work within the borders of the US.” (paraphrase, but very close) That one alone, causes much pause. 1) we have never had such 2) we do NOT need this 3) it has ominous potential for a man that also said the following:

“sorry I haven’t been able to implement the utopian agenda as quickly as I want, but that pesky constitution and the other two branches of government have been getting in my way.” July 2011. Excuse me! We are a Constitutional Republic.

Frank Marshall Davis was his “mentor” in Hawaii. I have read some of the very thick FBI file on this man, a card-carrying communist. Further, he told us that his grandparents (communist also) chose this man to be his mentor! Explains his thinking?

“we can’t wait for an increasingly dysfunctional Congress to do its job. Where they won’t act, I will. I’ve told my administration to keep looking every single day for actions we can take without Congress…and we’re going to be announcing these executive actions on a regular basis.” These are the words of a would-be dictator. This nation was designed to have a balance of powers EQUALLY between Executive, Judicial, and Congress. It was designed to have tension, but maintain FREEDOM!

All of this is cause for serious consideration regarding this particular man. Further,
on a recently surfaced tape, he is heard on a WBEZ-FM interview from 2001, stating that he believes that a “redistributive change” is needed. Very communist ideology!

Suppose that 10 years ago you couldn’t pay your rent, but (through hard work) are now successful. Do you deserve to have now become a target for those would say you should have that prosperity stolen from you to be given to others who did not work for it? If I believed that, I would intentionally try real hard to remain a failure!
What is the point of hard work if you cannot keep what you personally earned? News Flash: being successful is NOT evil!!!!!

Finally (and there is a huge amount of information beyond what I have shared), Putin recognizes him as a communist and begs us NOT to follow the path of the USSR!!!!!

1) National Defense Force. I didn’t want a paraphrase; I wanted facts. I checked on the internet to verify this. Excluding hits on foreign national defense forces, I did not find a single site that was neutral and unbiased within the first 200 hits.

One question: couldn’t you call the U.S. military in general a national defense force because isn’t its mission to defend the nation?

2) I could not verify your second quotation independently on a neutral and unbiased site.

3) Frank Marshall Davis. I have no problem with Obama’s mentor having been a Communist labor activist who fought to improve workers’ lives. As for having an FBI file, other people who’ve had FBI files include Eleanor Roosevelt, Steve Jobs, John Lennon, Martin Luther King, and Elvis Presley.

4) How would you characterize Congress? Explain to me how a Congress that puts ideology and their partisan political gain over the good of the country is not dysfunctional. If Congress isn’t doing its job, then how can the president, any president, do his? What options does the president have to move the country forward?

If you’re talking about the use of executive orders, then, according to the American Presidency Project, Obama has used fewer (138 as of 9/20/2012 or Obama’s 44th month in office) than either George W. Bush (168) and Ronald Reagan (213) did in their first terms of office.

5) As for “redistributive change”, how would you describe the change that has taken place since Reagan was president, with the percentage of wealth becoming increasingly concentrated in the upper 5% (Economic Policy Institute)? Isn’t that also redistributive change? I believe it is. Why is that change good but one which seeks to level the playing field by redistributing downward is bad? I believe that any extremes of redistributive change are not good for the long-term health of our country.

However, no one is saying that you can’t be successful. What is being said is that everyone, including those in the top ranks, pay a fair share. Why is working for fairness wrong?

5) I could not find independent verification on a neutral, unbiased site of Putin’s comments.

I asked you for verifiable, unbiased facts, which you have not provided. I have spent time trying to confirm what you said but was unable to do so because I could not find your statements listed anywhere but from biased sources. When you can give facts and not opinions, then we can have a discussion.

Do you recall telling me that this site does not allow web links attached to blogs? Well, I can’t send you the YouTube video of Obama telling of his plans to create a force that would be national, and as I described, but I can tell you that such would be illegal under the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. The Law will get in the way of tyranny! The troubling aspect of this story is that this man does not 1) know the law ans 2) have a deep reverence for the law.

I listened to Obama make these remarks, and frankly was disappointed that a “constitutional attorney” would NOT know this. However, in retrospect, his willingness to override the protections of both the Constitution, itself, as well as the Common Law (if he could) has been demonstrated both by his actions, and his very words. If you do NOT know this by now, it must be a willing blindness on your part.

Have YOU ever pondered why this man would decidedly not wish to release his records at Harvard? How about Columbia records? He did learn law there?

I also watched the video of his remarks regarding congress and the Constitution getting in his way. Sorry, I can’t send you the link to that either. Would you consider his very own words on video to be “independent and verifiable” enough? Or would the fact that someone “not in his camp” showed the video make it somehow not true?

I also watched his interview with the San Francisco Chronicle: “Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” (January 2008) At the time he said this, we had just recovered from very high gasoline prices, and this man told us that, to force his ideas regarding environmental issues, we would all suffer very high electricity rates. He is NOT one of us. This IS redistribution of wealth! Personally, as I watched this interview, I was horrified.

Do you want to know the rest of the story? This was intentionally NOT released until it was too late to be of much influence with voters. This was media manipulation to avoid having it weigh on the minds of would-be supporters of Obama.

Your point 3 is troubling. It is obvious that the public school indoctrination you sat through did its work on your thinking. It is overtly pro Marxist. The NEA might as well be an official Socialist organization. Come out of the closet!

Point 4: I agree that congress is dysfunctional. Greed and hardened ideology equally infect both sides of the isle. Therefore, I support Term Limits.

You wrote: “Congress isn’t doing its job, then how can the president, any president, do his? What options does the president have to move the country forward?” You might want to give up teaching and get a job with MoveOn.Org. You see, we DO NOT need to change the country, unless that means to abide by the Constitution and the Rule of Law. Are you familiar with the legal premise: stare decisis? It means basically: do NOT abandon the old path, or, if you will “stand by what is already decided.” It is the KEY doctrine in American law. Ultimately, it will stop the Marxist revolution your words betray.

Allow me to tell you that the Framers of the Constitution did a wonderful job, and they laid what has become a well trodden path for us to follow. The current ideology that we need to “fundamentally transform” this nation is born NOT of American traditional values, but of the Marxist indoctrination given our youth in public education. This is a Constitutional Republic — not a pure democracy. There is much wisdom in this design, and it has kept us safe for the many years since it was created. Only short-sighted fools would dare to tamper with it.

Pravda regularly sings the praises of our Constitutional Republic, as they long in their hearts to live by American ideals. The Statute of Liberty celebrates the fact that the masses of immigrants came here to escape the tyranny of their homelands. It is stunning that today the former communists of Russia warn us NOT to follow that path to destruction! Only fools would not listen.

PS: no person is capable of truly being “non-biased.” Get real!

There wasn’t a tirade in the reply. You asked for truth, and then derided it with the dismissive claim that it didn’t meet your standards. I am but the arbiter of truth, and in telling you that Obama is NOT one of us, I maintained that standard.

You may call me any of the common terms that I see liberals on this site use when they do not like what didn’t match their views: “Racist,” “bigot,” “imposing your views,” “tirades” … ad nauseam.

You are intelligent, but decidedly intellectually dishonest. I truly hurt for the thousands of youth that have sat through lectures, and been misled away from American values (i.e., hard work, capitalism, love of our Constitutional Republic, the rule of law) into Marxism by teachers with your secular-humanistic values.

You have taught students that good grades are less important than self-esteem, thereby participating in the decline of our nation from the #1 position in international ranking in intellectual prowess (1962), to the present position of being #25.

You (or those of your mindset) have taught students that this was never a Christian nation, and that our founding fathers were not Christians. You (or those of your mindset) rejoiced at the “freedom” from Christian values in our public schools with the Arkansas Decision (1967), and the replacing of the same with the religion of secular-humanists: the Theory of Evolution.

As a consequence, we have raised generations of secularists who openly hate Christians (who hate no one) and derided those who practice their faith and patriotism, as being those “who cling to their religion and their guns.” NONSENCE!

The world you have created is about to devour the very freedoms that have protected your rights to teach this revisionist version of American history. In essence, you will have destroyed the nation that gave you sustenance.

Make no mistake about it. When Obama spoke of fundamentally transforming this nation, it was the words of an alien of heart, not those of a patriot. He wrongly believes that sins of the past against people of color can somehow be reconciled by economic punishment of people of today. It is impossible for anyone today to apologize to someone long dead. Nor do those of this generation owe apologies for what someone of past generations may have done wrong. We are each judged for our own behavior, and that alone.

Once again, and finally, I tell you that America DOES NOT require “fundamental transformation,” as Obama envisions it. It requires, yes desperately needs, a return to faith in the Creator God that generations of Americans worshiped in those myriad hosts of churches on corners all across this great nation. Far from being the centers of racism, bigotry, and small-mindedness many on this website attribute to them, they were, and remain sources of love, security, strength, and mental health. They are centers of worship of the God who gave America to the world as a gift. They are centers of teaching about the God who gave his son to us all as His gift — perfect, and lacking nothing. They welcome all who seek God, and refuse none.

Those that reject the love of God are spiritually bankrupt, and that is the worst kind of poverty. It is self-imposed poverty! The present economic disaster is merely a reflection of the spiritual condition of our nation. The correlation is direct and inescapable.

The “better friends one could not ask for” is the aspect of your observation I will address. There is a reason for everything? The reason that America was such a friend (say, as opposed to Germany in WWI & WWII) was that we had a society based upon the principles within our faith that did not allow us to come and steal. We were not the invader from the south, but the neighbor in time of need. Together, we sent our soldiers into harm’s way to stop the intrusive dictatorships (in various places and times) and we cherished freedoms. Canada and America have always remained friends.

As time went by, we corrected our missteps, and plotted new courses. What you may have missed is that America (a Christian nation – regardless of revisionist historians’ pipe dream) held fast to the faith that founded this nation.

In time of impasse, Benjamin Franklin called for prayer, and “Congress” (as it existed in that time) followed this suggestion, and all the members joined. The result was the successful drafting of our founding documents. To support the fact that America was founded by Christian men and women, history is replete with their words. Perfect they were not. Humans never are. BUT, they had a faith that demanded introspection, humility, and yes — repentance from selfishness and love for others.

However, with the abandonment of godly principles, America is changing, and left on the present course, will founder the ship of state. As the creator of Titanic stated to young Rose, “she will sink.”

There is no guarantee that an America without the “secret sauce” of faith in the God of the Bible will either survive, or be recognizable to even a long term neighbor such as Canada.

Make no mistake about it. The founding fathers of the United States had no doubt that they were creating a “nation under God” that would exist to be a blessing to the whole world. It DOES NOT require “fundamental transformation” unless that is narrowly defined as a return to the faith in the God of the Bible that guided those who gave us the Constitution. Study early American history (in books NOT prepared by revisionist historians of Marxist slant) and you will learn what you might never have known regarding America. It is indeed a gift from God.