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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

This week, Weekend Reader brings you an excerpt from The Machine: A Field Guide To The Resurgent Right by Lee Fang. Fang is a former investigative blogger for Think Progress, and a current reporting fellow with the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute and a contributing writer at The Nation. The Machine is an in-depth analysis of the at-times deceitful mechanisms used by the Republican Party to try and gain your vote. As Fang points out, the party’s message and messaging could not match the Obama campaign’s tactics, causing the McCain-Palin campaign to fall flat on its face in 2008. The Republican Party, once the masters of voter outreach, quickly found itself struggling to survive.

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A Social Media Face Lift For Conservatism

To borrow a Sarah Palin aphorism, after their election defeat in 2008, conservatives didn’t retreat, they “reloaded.” Instead of finding new solutions to public policy problems or seriously reevaluating Bush’s failures, conservatives focused almost solely on new ways to communicate their old ideas. To do so, they looked to their natural allies in corporate marketing for inspiration; and they looked to the left for imitation. The result has been a recent and profound turn-around that has allowed the right the bury Obama’s message and dominate the political debate.

Historical Right-Wing Domination Of The Media

Traditionally, conservatives have almost always dominated direct mail solicitations, retained the best pollsters money could buy, and paid for the most celebrated advertising makers. Message discipline is the first lesson for any Republican politician. Talk radio? Unquestionably controlled by conservatives. Cable News? Fox News couldn’t be more right-wing and popular. The right had also dominated the Internet for most of the Internet’s fledging history. Throughout the nineties and for much of President George W. Bush’s first term, conservatives easily ruled online news. And much of that initial success stemmed from foundations and entrepreneurial pioneers, like Matt Drudge, creator of the wildly popular headline-aggregating side Drudge Report, and Jim Robinson of the news message board Free Republic. The pair formed a symbiotic relationship. Drudge, who played a role in breaking the Monica Lewinsky story, made waves in the media with scoops on the latest Clinton scandals, and Free Republic provided a platform for conservatives to share conspiratorial perspectives and to organize their own rallies and events. Many of the angry mobs hounding Clinton at public events were mobilized by Free Republic. The Free Republic—organized impeachment rally, “Treason Is the Reason,” featured Republican lawmakers and writer Christopher Hitchens.

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Their efforts were enhanced by well-funded conservative investments in internet technology. The first major foray into purely ideological online news came from the Heritage Foundation, which worked with National Review magazine to create Town Hall in 1992. The Town Hall bulletin board forum on Compuserve required users to pay to dial into a central terminal to share information and read conservative publications. It later morphed into an Internet site with links to conservative opinion pieces, studies, and syndicated columns from newspapers. Town Hall helped organize the top conservative arguments, studies, and articles. The one-stop shop, similar in utility to Drudge Report, provided direction for various conservative websites, talk radio, and Republican politicians to get on the same message.

Conservatives maintained their dominance by constantly making investments in online news portals. In 2000 James Glassman, previously a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, launched a website called TechCentralStation with the corporate lobbying firm DCI Group. The website, with funds from corporations such as Microsoft and ExxonMobil, published reports from right-wing think tanks as news pieces. Glassman, who later became the director of the George W. Bush Institute in Dallas, eventually closed TechCentralStation after a round of criticism that the site was essentially a smoke screen for corporate propaganda. In 2004, Bush strategists hired a number of firms to develop online tools to help supporters place op-eds and letters to the editor, well before MoveOn adopted a similar tactic. As even Karl Rove conceded, conservatives held an advantage in online news through 2004—but the right lost its edge after Bush’s victory over John Kerry.

  • howa4x

    The right wing could dominate the airways but it doesn’t change their dark, vengeful message, that is out of step with minorities, Latinos, Gays, women, and young people. Corporations will realize this one day when the Blue states with their economic power start boycotting them. Do you know what a 1 day boycott of Exxon would do to their revenue picture? Also If this can happen routinely until they realize that climate change is real and they need to be out front, and not blocking change, then they will wake up. The climate will be the changer in all of this. No matter what right wing talk show there is you cannot deny a flurry of tornados or wild fire, or snow storms in Arkansas

    • Paul Colby

      You lefties are always talking of ruining the economy, corporations, anything that isn’t according to what “you” think is right. By your description of who the “right wing” is out of step with, you are basically discriminating, mentioning Everyone but White males. Such hatred of people that don’t accept “your” twisted ideals.

      • disqus_azGi8ID28K

        Paul you are not doing too well

        • He’s Too Stuck On Stupid To Realizes He One The Wrong Web Site For The Lying And The Obama Bashing His Head Is Too Far Up His Ass!!! LOL

          • labrown69

            Let’s face it, you love him because he’s Black and you don’t give a rat’s ass whether he is honest or effective as long as he is Black.

          • You Are A Lying BITCH His Color Has NOTHING To Do With Him Being My Choice!! What Made Me Vote For Our President Cause He’s Looking Out For ALL The American People NOT JUST THE 1% Unlike Your Thugs Ass GOP/Tea Party Terrorists And Traitors!!

          • labrown69

            ROTFLMAO!!! YEA RIGHT – you, a certifiable leftist, don’t care that he failed to close GITMO, you don’t care that he has arrested and prosecuted more whistle blowers than law-and-order Republicans John Mitchell, Edwin Meese and John Ashcroft, you don’t care that he has killed more civilians in Iraq in 4 years of his presidency than Bush did in 8, and and you don’t care that his “home boy” Eric Holder who serves at his pleasure has announced Impunity for Torture-Homicides, BUT … BUT … BUT ….FERN DOESN’T LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE’S BLACK AND SHE’S BLACK … honest … it’s just his progressive policies! Come on home girl … come clean … FERN ..YOU ARE ON THE POLITICAL “DOWN LOW”!

          • The More You Rant The More Thumbs Down You Get Just Like Your Low Life Party!! Go Back To You Day Job Sucking Cocks And Asshole TROLL!!! And Don’t Forget To Hump Your Mother Tonight!!! So You Can Have Yourself A Son Who Also Will Be Your Brother INBRED!!! And You My Thug Is Just On The Down Low Period!! LOL

          • labrown69

            “My low life party” is right. I voted for Obama. LMAO

          • You Voted For Obama Just Like I Voted For Romney!! LOL

          • labrown69

            You are so stupid that you truly can’t fathom voting for the lesser evil and then being disappointed can you? You might wish to read the list of failures I enumerated because I know you can not contest or debate them. You are a moron.

          • Your Mother A Moron She Had You Didn’t She??? You Was Just A Wasted Fuck!! Instead Of Giving Her Brother Pussy The Night You Was Conceived She Should have Gave Him A Blow Job Then Spit Your Inbred Ass On The Floor Then Step On You!!!! TROLL You Can’t Bully Me Bitch!! LOL Women Hating Bitch Boy!!

          • labrown69

            You probably didn’t “vote for Romney” but I would not be surprised if you gave him and his entire staff a blow job for $25 bucks.

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          • labrown69

            Get help!

          • You The One Who Needs To Get Help Along With A Job And A LIFE!!! Bye Bye Means Go Away Stop Talking To Me Fool!!

          • This Coming From The Towns Idiot!! LOL King Of The Traitor Park Trash, A Cave Dwelling Redneck Gutter Tramp!! LOL The World Is A Ghetto But Some Of Us Live In Very Nice Place Unlike Your Nasty Ass!! TROLL

          • Let’s See Jesse Jackson Sr. Ran Didn’t Vote For Him Al Sharpton Ran I Believe, Didn’t Vote For Him!! You Just Another Stuck On Stupid TROLL!! Go The Hell Away Nobody Want You Here!!

          • labrown69

            Now we have the truth!

          • What ?? That You Are An Inbred Koch Brothers Ass Kissing LIAR !! LOL Yes We Knew Soon As You Wrote Your First Dumb As Comment!! Duh??

        • Mulligatonney

          Paul is doing fine…

          …although logic and truth tend to not do well against liberal philosophy, and it is giving you liberals undue credit to suggest you actually HAVE a philosophy.

          Here you all are, applauding one of the most astonishing displays of ignorance and profanity I have witnessed in quite some time, and pretending to be “progressive” and “intellectual” and “tolerant” in the same breath.

          Being a supporter of anything the OBama Administration has clearly demonstrated itself to be over the last 4+ years is synonymous with admitting already that you are at the very least, ignorant and propagandized to the point that you cheer when the tyrant in the White House tells you that trillions in annual debt is “progress”….

          Or that the criminals breaking our laws and entering our country illegally are “undocumented workers”…

          Or that the solution to a gunman killing American citizens is to take away the citizen’s ability to defend himself on a level playing field…

          Or that unemployment is going down just because more people have stopped looking for work….

          “Liberal” and “logic” cannot be used in the same sentence. It is self contradictory by your own words.

          Just as your applause for a profane, ignorant wretch is.

          You are pathetic.

          • charleo1

            Oh, we have a philosophy all right. No, it doesn’t
            include giving billionaires money to invest in Presidential
            campaigns. But, it could feed a hungry person, or help
            to educate a child, who’s Daddy can’t afford the tuition.
            Yes, regardless of what you may have heard, there are
            still many people in this Country, who actually care about
            people who are not named Trump, And speaking of Trump,
            and astonishing displays of ignorance, and profanity.
            Have you listened to Rush Limbaugh? I’m not going to
            bring up Louie Gomert, or Steve King, or Michelle
            Bachmann, or Sarah Palin. Because you probably had
            nothing to do with their reelection. But, boy they’re out there.
            If you’re ever in the mood for astonishing, ignorance.

          • Mulligatonney

            …a predictable liberal tactic….

            By all means – deflect the point because you don’t really have a counter for it. There are, of course – more rich Democrats than there are rich Republicans – a fact that you brainwashed liberals stubbornly ignore. You have been told that you “care” so much that you use it as a brush to try to paint every issue with. Except you wait for your messiah or your party to tell you what you “care” for…

            Do you “care” about the debt?
            Do you “care” that the poor are deliberately kept poor by the Democrat party?
            Do you “care” that your freedoms are being taken away?

            The Democrat Party cultivates the poor for their votes by giving them entitlements and providing them a scapegoat to hate – like “rich Republicans” – instead of motivating them to get an education, join the workforce and move up by hard work and determination with many failures along the way.

            Of COURSE there are poor and people who need help. They should be given help – but not in the overwhelming numbers that entitlements have created. And certainly not by giving them so much taxpayer-generated stuff that a lifetime on government entitlement is more appealing than working hard to forge their future… There is an entire culture of millions who live on tax money, are quite capable of working, but find it easier to live as a parasite on the efforts of others. That is not only practically wrong, it is morally wrong.

            Spare me the “there are still many people in this country who care” mantra. We all care – about something.

            Stalin cared too. So did Bin Laden.

          • charleo1

            You said, Liberals did not have a philosophy. I said,
            they do. You know, just because you have a tough
            time making sense of a person caring about the well
            being of another person, whom they’ve never met.
            Does not mean that sense of obligation is not real.
            And it doesn’t mean, because you fail to understand
            the value of it, you get to smear your cynicism on it.
            Or, your nihilistic conclusions, that altruism always
            has an ulterior motive. I’m reminded of the Allen,
            Sorkin line that said, “We used to fight poverty.”
            “Now we fight poor people.” And so, by your word,
            of which you have not even the slightest evidence.
            And having already admitted you were not aware
            Liberals even had a philosophy. But you’re pretty
            sure it is they, who are intentionally keeping the poor,
            impoverished. Do you have any idea of the depth of
            ridiculousness, one must sink to, to reach a conclusion
            like that? You’d come off better to say, I don’t care about
            the poor. And be done with it. If you cared, which, of
            course, you don’t. You would notice how large the
            majority of people on public assistance is, that are
            working. They are not lying around, taking life easy
            on your dime. If you cared, you’d also notice the great
            inequities, between the rich, and working poor. And,
            not blow it off, as the loony talk of some Socialist.
            It is real, and getting worse. You claim there are more
            rich Democrats, than rich Republicans? I don’t know
            what that would mean, if true. But, I think there is
            getting to be a lot more Democrats at every income
            level. Heck, even Wall Street turned Democrat, back
            when they were looking for a little love, and support,
            from the Government.

          • Trying to show clear logic to Republicunt/neo-Confederate Tea Bags is like trying to nail Jello to a wall.

          • dtgraham

            You’re wasting your time there charleo1. I spent a solid week going back and forth with this guy and there’s nothin’ there. It’s just whatever Fox and Friends, Rush, and Glenn told him to say that day. The Democrats: i) couldn’t care less about the debt ii) enact policies that purposely keep the poor impoverished because they literally want them to stay really poor, and iii) want to take everyone’s freedoms away. That’s only a subset of his many “beliefs”. Trust me.

          • BDC_57

            And thats the truth he is a idiot

          • disqus_azGi8ID28K

            Keep drinking the Kool-aid Mulligatonney

          • Venom It’s Snake Venom He Bought Plenty From The GOP/ Tea Party Lying Snake Oil Sales Men!! Now He’s Brain Dead!!! LOL

          • You Not Doing Too Good Yourself Mulligatonney!! LOL After 235 Of Your Lying Dumb Ass Comments You Only Got 57 Likes!! LOL

          • Mulligatonney

            …I’m still not sure what that means – has the State provided you an ebonics interpreter yet?
            Check and see if that comes with the free cell phone – you just may have missed a free gub’mint doggie treat…

          • The Way You Missed Your Redneck Inbred Hillbilly Hand Fishing Treat Plus You Can Wash It Down With Some Moonshine Hee Haw!!! TROLL 245 Racist Redneck Comments And All You Got To Show For It Is 59 Likes!! LOL You Too My Hillbilly Troll Got Yourself On The Wrong Web Site!! LOL

          • Mulligatonney

            How utterly endearing – the eloquent Nurse has just called me her little “hillbilly troll”…
            I’ve looked for a woman like you all my life to raise my children and teach them the spirituality that you so obviously possess. My eyes have been opened – I can certainly see the value of being a “liberal” now… When can I interview you for a possible civil union? I would be afraid to call it a marriage…
            What are you nursing on – the government teat?

          • I Would Come No Way Near You Nasty Stanking Ass!! You’re Nothing But A No Good Racist Cock Sucking Hillybilly!! I Don’t Get Nothing From The Government You Ignorant Asshole I Work!! Why Don’t You Go Suck Out Of A Dead Elephant Ass And Shut The Fuck Up Talking To Me, You Cock Eyed Tea Bagging TROLL!! Still 59 Likes LOL

          • Mulligatonney

            Possibly you are in the wrong profession – have you looked into pornographic script writing?
            With your limited vocabulary, you would be a perfect fit. You would most certainly find kindred spirits there, although judging from your picture, they would never let you appear on screen.
            But, you could actually get paid for your foul mouth. I am sure that would be one of the cleaner activities that mouth has been involved in for quite some time.

          • That Job Is Already Covered By Your Mother!! Why The Fuck You Keep Talking To Me Asshole Go Back To Sucking Out Of The Koch Brothers Asses And Shut Your Ugly Ass Up Talking To Me!!! TROLL!!! With Your 59 Likes!! LOL Nobody Like You Here Maybe You Should Leave!!! I You Don’t Want To Hear My Mouth Try Not Talking To Me Fool It’s Just That Simply!! I Guess That Goes Over Your Head Dumbass!!

          • Mulligatonney

            I cannot comment on the mother, but judging from your picture, you could be my father, especially with that wig…. Maybe its you with the Bowling Ball Head… Or maybe you’re just trying to cover up that nasty, nappy little headbone…

            Anyway – what’s wrong with 59 likes on a liberal website with all you little commies jerking each other off so you can feel better about what your real daddy in the White House is doing to the country?

            59 likes? I think that’s pretty impressive…

            You’re like one of those ugly little Cabbage Patch dolls of the past. All I have to do is pull the string, and stinky cabbage comes out of your mouth.

          • FUCK YOU NASTY ASS TROLL GO SUCK YOUR FATHER’S DICK LIKE YOU BEEN DOING!! ASSHOLE!! YOU LOVE THE WAY I TALK CAUSE YOU ARE INTO S/M!! That’s Why You Still Talking To Me Cause You Love Getting Cuss Out!! Freak!! Bet I Look Better Than Your Ugly Cock Eyed Ass!!

          • Mulligatonney

            Yes – again, judging from your picture, I would conjecture that your face probably does look slightly better than my ass…although you are wearing a lot of makup…
            And, disturbingly – it appears that you put lipstick on your butthole. I think if you kissed mine, it would look better than yours. At least mine doesn’t have teeth in it.
            Plus the hair on your butt is straighter than mine as well.
            Contratulations.
            You win.
            Your face does look a little better than my ass…
            But you ARE using makeup.

          • You Ugly Ass Can’t Post A Picture Cause It Would Crash The Whole Internet!! You Women Hating Pussy Ass Punk!! I Have No Problems With My Looks But In Your Case You Most Likely Look Like A Cock Eyed Wilder Beast!!! Bet You Was First In Line At Mama June Wedding You Redneck Toothless Asshole!!!

          • Mulligatonney

            What would make you think that you were a woman? You speak like a stable boy or a longshoreman…

            You might not have any problems with your looks, but neither would a hyena. And neither would a wildebeest…

            …you did mean “wildebeest” didn’t you – you insufferable ignoramus? And your literary prowess represents “liberal thought”, yes?

            Your fellow communists must be so proud of you for what you have accomplished after your head injury…

            Use spellcheck and lend a hand with the credibility of the liberal world. They are stupid enough without your incredible contributions.

            You empty-headed kitchen witch…

          • Your Mother Is A Empty Head Toothless Whore !! Kiss My Ass Punk !! Get A Job And A Life Tea Bagging Dick Sucking Asshole Troll!!! Communists, Boogie Men, And Muslims LMAO You Mother Fucking Ignorant Ass Thugs Really Need To Get A Life!!!

          • Mulligatonney

            I just ordered the Woodfork Urban Ghetto Dictionary written by Pee-Daddy from the online prison outreach website.

            I’m looking forward to translating that garbage issuing forth from your tortured esophagus and attempting to communicate with you on your level someday.

            …kinda like the “Horse Whisperer”…

            …except in your case it would be – the “Whore Whisperer”…

      • Independent1

        Problem is, Reagan started the “hate the little guy” (the worker bee) mindset within the wealthy and corporate community by 1) busting unions like he did with the traffic controllers, 2) putting union haters in charge of Fed agencies that oversee labor, 3) creating the notion that the rich (read also coporations) are the benevolent keepers of the world (which they’re not) by pushing his fantasy about trickle-down economics (the feed the rich they’ll feed the poor nonsense), 4) foisting the misguided notion that a combination of tax cuts and budget cuts will spur the economy (which has been proven to be a fantasy countless times), and 5) spending like a drunken sailor like money grows on trees (he tripled the deficit in 8 years). It’s his legacy that has resulted in a drastic deterioration of the relationship between workers and the companies they work for; it was while he was in office that corporations suddenly started cutting their best and hardest workers just so they could replace them with cheaper workers; and it’s legacy of hatred for unions and workers that have caused companies over the past 30 years to virtually eliminate worker benefits like pensions and even healthcare insurance, and to drastically reduce subsidies they used to provide to their workers for their 401ks to aid their retirements. And it’s even his legacy of -who cares about the worker- that started companies like WalMart into adjusting workers’ schedules so that they don’t qualify for full time status and thereby forcing millions of workers today to try and live on poverty salaries and collect food stamps and other benefits from the federal government – foisting the burden of supporting these people on the taxpayers instead of one who should be supporting them – the company they work for.

        And question why millions of people are starting to hate what the GOP has turned into when it’s clear that today’s GOP is all about doing nothing but taking as much advantage of the people who are actually making the money for the leeches that are sucking every dime they can from people that work for them??? When are you going to wake up and realize the GOP is taking you for a ride to the poor house????

        • We have certainly seen what that Obama spread the wealth has led to haven’t we. More Trillions in debt, double the people on food stamps, 23 Million Americans still unemployed while they refuse to seal our border & pass E-verify. Soon, just the interest on our National Debt will consume 100% of our tax revenue, then the poor will really be in deep trouble, there will be zero money left for anything, just interest. S.S. is bankrupt and has been ignored, while $716 Billion has been stolen from Medicare, gasoline has been close to $4.00 per gallon for the entire time which really hurts the average worker, or government dependent person. Your buying into the class-warfare hate is what is really scarry, because you are being hood-winked without even knowing it.

          • Paul Get Your Head Out Of Your Ass Cause We Are Not Buying Your Bullshit TROLL!! There’ s A Web Site Called WND = Wacko’s N Dummies, Take Your Stuck On Stupid Dumbass There And Have A Ball Tea Bagging ASSHOLE TROLL!!!

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          • LOL That Would Be Your Mother She’s An ID Thief!! LOL

          • That fool is crossing the line into defamation of character, Fern.

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          • idamag

            You are functionally illiterate, rude, crude and classless – go away.

          • labrown69

            Someone is “functionally illiterate” and I know ya learned that sh*t in the ghetto because you radiate it.

          • LOL Meth Smoking Dick Sucking Ass Kissing Inbred!! Hee Haw!!

          • Independent1

            Well Paul, you may have gotten one thing right in all your rant – The interest on the National Debt is consuming a lot of the government’s tax revenue. BUT, you’re blaming the wrong guy for that – Obama has actually brought deficit spending down faster the past 3 years than at any time in history; He’s actually reduced the last budget Bush passed him, his 10/1/08 to 9/30/09 budget that included 1.6 trillion in deficit spending by more than 1/2 a trillion/yr, Bush’s last budget raised Bush’s deficit spending for 8 years to 7.4 trillion dollars (he inherited a 4.9 trillion deficit and with his last budget left with the deficit a 12.3 trillion and growing because of the total disaster he left the economy in with 14 million lost job and hundereds of companies belly up and no longer paying taxes. Obama is only responsible for about 910 billion of the deficit for legislation he signed; Reagan and the two Bushs are responsible for more than 90% of our deficits. And the 716Billion is not a ‘Cut’ in Medicare, it’s a projected SAVINGS from correcting some flaws in the original Medicare legislation – and just for your info; Paul Ryan’s infamous budget includes the 716 Billion in Medicare cost reductions too. And there ARE NOT 23 million Americans unemployed!! More jobs were created in Obama’s 1st 2 years in office than were created during all 8 of Bush’s 8 years in office: do you realize that the average # of jobs created each of the last 6 months (208,000/month avg), is more jobs than were ever created over a 6-7 month period while Bush was in office!! The average jobs created during Bush’s disasterous 8 years was 31,000 jobs /month – the most dysmal job creation since the Big Depression. And about sealing the borders, do you realize that Obama’s administration has rounded up more bad illegal aliens (criminals and the like) in his 4 years and deported them (more than 400,000) than were rounded up and deported during both Bush’s and Clintons presidencies!! And that there are actually more illegals leaving America than are now entering!! You need to stop listening to Faux News, Rush Limpbag and Glenn Beck, they’re all feeding you lies and distortions!!

            .

          • It is a well known fact that even though Bush created a lot of debt, Obama doubled down on it, spent twice what Bush did in just 4 years, not 8. Imagine another 4 years of “more of the same”?? Almost a “TRILLION” dollars removed from Medicare and you excuse that as just correcting some flaws? Come on man, and when Millions of Illegals are given Obamacare, S.S. & Medicare, where is that money coming from? Even if you tax the wealthy some more it will not be even close to solving the debt.

          • Independent1

            You don’t read very well do you – Obama HAS NOT doubled down on any deficit spending; where are you getting that bit of nonsense; Let’s recap: When Reagan took office the deficit was 800 billion; Reagan almost tripled it to 2.3 trillion when he left office; Bush Sr took the 2.3 trillion deficit and almost doubled it to 4.3 trillion; Clinton actually cut deficit spending and actually governed with 3 years of surplus budgets but Congress never allocated monies to pay down the deficit so the interest on the defict brought it up to 4.9 trillion; Bush Jr. more than doubled it to 12.3 trillion and the left an economic disaster much larger than the stock market crash of 1929 and the Big Depression that followed with 14 million job losses in 2+ years and hundreds of companies belly up so tax revenues were down over 1 trillion per year meaning that although Obama cut deficit spending that Bush passed him from 1.6 trillion/yr to 1 trillion/yr over 3 years, there was no way to keep the deficit from climbing another 3 trillion (IT WAS NOT OBAMA’S SPENDING – HE CUT SPENDING FASTER IN 3 YEARS THAN IT’S EVER BEEN CUT AND HE CUT IT FOR 3 STRAIGHT YEARS FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT’S BEEN DONE SINCE TRUMAN CUT SPENDING FOR 3 STRAIGHT YEARS RIGHT AFTER WWII!!! Did you get that??? STOP LYING ABOUT OBAMA RUNNING UP THE DEFICIT NITWIT!!!!!!!!!!
            .

          • Independent1

            And where are you getting this nonsense about illegals getting social security?? Illegals can’t get SS unless they create fraud by stealing someone else’s social security records – and that’s not limited to illegals. There are thousands, maybe more, con artists out there that are stealing SS records of people – that’s got absollutely nothing to do with Obama, in fact, Obama started a war on fraud in the defense and healthcare sectors when he first took office and has recovered billions in fraudulently charged defense contract and healthcare monies over the past 4 years; his administration has recovered more fraudulently charged money than was recoverd by the last 3 presidents combined. You are one very confused person, let me tell you. You have you’re head so far in the sand it’s a wonder you can even see straight. (Do a search on “war on fraud in the defense industry’ and read some of the cases that have been processed by the Obama administration to recover fraudulently charged monies for defense industry contracts – they were documented by Pepper Law, LLC).

          • You Know How They Lie Don’t You??? Hell They Earn Masters Degrees In Lying!!! LOL

          • labrown69

            I’ll bet you take it in the shorts huh?

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          • labrown69

            Woodcunt?

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          • labrown69

            That ghetto filth is such a turn on!

          • Then You Must Really Love Your Mother And Sisters Hell Your Whole Damn Family Of Inbred Must Really Turn You On!! That’s Right Inbred Keep It In The Family!! LOL Your Group Of Inbred Are Far Worst Than Ghetto!! LOL Trailer Park Hillbilly Trash!!! LOL Plus You All Are Double And Triple Related To Each Other!!! LOL

          • labrown69

            Obama sycophants do not respond well to facts. Especially the one named after a potted plant …. “Fern”.

          • Better A Potted Plant Than A Tea Bagging Koch Brothers Ass Kissing TROLL!!!

          • BDC_57

            Quit your lying teabag troll.

          • idamag

            Let’s see your facts and figures backed up by a reliable and credible source.

          • labrown69

            Obama has squandered 5 years without addressing the real problem with our economy which is the financial services industry stealing faster than any economy can produce and foreclosure fraud which is preventing the recovery. He is a lap dog.

          • Go Take Your 69 Ass Some Where Else You’re Not Funny Just Annoying Stucjk On Stupid TROLL!!!

          • labrown69

            “Stuck on stupid”? You like that saying a lot dontcha? That is because those who are stupid don’t know they are stupid and that would be you Fern

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          • labrown69

            Fern must be the queen of her ghetto! Listen to that mouth. The bitch gargles outhouse water. You would presume it would be hard to take “the ghetto” down a notch but Fern looks up at the ghetto from it’s gutter.

          • Your Mother A Cave Dwelling Gutter Tramp How Do It Feel To Have A Mother That’s Your Sister Plus She’s Your Aunt Meth Smoking Inbred Troll???

          • labrown69

            YOU ARE NO NURSE, YOU ARE A DISEASE!

          • You And Your Inbred Family Is A Disease You Cock Sucking Asshole!!

          • And things would have been soooo much better under Romney/Ryan. LOL LOL LOL

            KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! I DON’T GET ENOUGH LAUGHTER IN MY LIFE. YOU ARE HELPING ME KEEP MY HUMOR IN GOOD SHAPE.

          • charleo1

            Although, I can’t explain it. One thing the election of
            Obama has caused, is wide spread, selective memory
            loss, that has mysteriously occurred across a wide swath
            of the political Right Wing. And appears to be most prominent among former supporters George W. Bush. What is most
            remarkable about this phenomena, is their newly acquired
            aversion to deficit spending. While Mr. Bush prosecuted
            two enormously costly military campaigns, expanded the
            Medicare program, and created a huge new government
            bureaucracy, employing tens of thousands of new hires,
            called Homeland Security, and doing so, by using the good
            credit of the U.S. Government, and without a single funding
            mechanism, or new tax of any sort, to offset a single dollar
            of the new expenditures. Now, these same people, with apparently the same access to information they had had previously, suddenly became frothing idiots, about Government spending. And unexplainably, in the midst of the deepest economic crisis in 80 years, started complaining
            about such programs as unemployment benefits, or Gov’t
            food, and nutrition programs, that had been put in place,
            years ago, for just such a contingency. As you seem to be
            one of the victims of this baffling affliction. Perhaps you can
            tell us, if it’s getting any better with the stock market up
            153% restoring many American’s retirement plans to full
            pre-recession levels? Or, perhaps private sector job growth,
            is alleviating some of the worst symptoms? The recovery of
            2.5 million previously lost manufacturing jobs? That’s gotta
            help right? Well, don’t worry. We just chalked up the all
            the narcissism, and selfishness, to the illness. We’re still
            here, on the Left. Hoping for your speedy recovery.

          • Well, again you state your opinion, not facts. Conservatives have been very angry with the debt Bush created, even though 911 and the Iraq war was part of it. Conservative have & always had, wanted a limited Federal Government with more of the States dealing with issues closer to home where they can be managed, not a one size fits all political approach from Washington. We want less taxes from our hard earned money, not taken from the Federal Government to spread around any way they please for political favors and re-election. A flat tax would be a very fair way and a way to live within our means, like any family.

          • charleo1

            Conservatives have been very angry with the debt
            Bush created. Really Paul? Conservatives have been hypocrites, you mean, over the debt Bush, and his
            Republican Congress ran up. Not a peep, from the
            Right, as deficits soared. Not a single GOP candidate
            ran in ’08, on a platform of balancing the budget. In
            fact, it didn’t come up at all. You know why, don’t you?
            Because a good number of those GOPs running for
            President, had been setting in the Senate, voting for
            every spending bill that was put in front of them.
            See, the Right doesn’t have a problem with supporting
            the Federal Gov’t., and Federal spending, as long as
            they are running things. As long as they are doing the
            spending. But, when it’s the Democrats, they are just
            buying votes. That’s what we’re actually talking about
            here, isn’t it? A Party that’s became so insistent they
            are going to be in charge, that when they’re not, the
            whole Country can go to Hell, for all they care about
            the thing. Now that’s an opinion. But, I’m just going by
            what I see. The other things, about Bush, and his deficits.
            That is fact. The Stock Market recovery, and retirement
            portfolios, Also a fact. The 2,5 million manufacturing jobs.
            Also a fact, under this, “Country destroying, wealth re-
            distributing,” President. More facts could include, that
            irrespective, of all moaning, and groaning, about taxes,
            99% of Americans have not been so unencumbered by
            Federal Taxes, in more than 50 years. The top 1%, got
            a 2% increase. However, since 80% of the gains since
            the beginning of the recession, in July ’07, have gone to
            this group, what in Hell, do they have to complain about?
            I know, their Party is not in full control.

          • Independent1

            You talk about the federal government; do you realize that Bush increased the size of the federal government with more people than all the presidents since Teddy Roosevelt was in office combined?? He increased the size of government during his 8 years by more than 2,000,000 workers – that includes all those that were added when he created FEMA and all the military related folks needed to run 2 wars. And through a lot of analysis and evaluating the government departments to determine what is and what isn’t working, Obama has downsized government by more than 600,000 workers – and includes downsizing the military because he followed through on his promise to get us out of Iraq and to wind down the Afghan war.

            And somewhere you mentioned about Republicans wanting to be letting the states do their own thing. From that I guess you think Republicans do a really good job at that, well if they do, how come of the 21 states that have more than 15% of their residents living below the poverty level, 19 of them are run by GOP administrations??? Only two Blue states have more than 15% of their residents living below the poverty level – New York and Calif. And if the GOP runs such a good state, and Rick Perry sure was bragging about Texas when he was wanting to run for president, how come Texas is probably the cesspool of America, in that virtually everything about it is a dissaster. And if you don’t believe that, here’s a few facts about Texas, I’ll et you decide:

            ·
            Texas is 49th in the country in tax revenues collected per capita and 50th in revenues spent.
            Texas is 44th in tax progressivity, which means it collects most of its taxes from working people and it comes in 50th in the percent of its population that have a HS diploma.
            Texas ranks 46th in the overall SAT scores it’s students get on entrance exams; and 49th in what it pays its teachers.
            Texas ranks dead last (50th) in having the most people without health insurance and also dead last in the number of children covered by insurance.
            Texas is 49th in the support it provides to women & children in the WIC program, and it leads the nation in teenage births.
            Texas ranks 3rd in the nation in the number of people living in poverty and 50th with regard to the affordability of homeowners insurance.
            Texas ranks 45th in the overall health of its population and 47th with respect to mental health.
            The quality of the highways in Texas is ranked 42nd and its parks and recreation facilities are ranked 48th and environmental protection 46th
            . Police protection in Texas is ranked 49th and government administration 50th.
            Texas comes in 3rd in the nation in the number of public officials that are convicted for a crime; while being dead last in the percent of voters who turn out for elections.
            Texas is 46th in the hourly earnings of its workers and 48th in the payout of worker’s comp benefits.
            And Texas ranks as having the most polluted environment in the nation.

          • BDC_57

            You are right but idiots like that don’t listen to facts all listen to is fox fake news.

          • Ahh BDC, the Pew Hispanic Poll just reported that FOX News & CNN are both about 70 fact, & 30% opinion, while MSNBC is 85% opinion. Get YOUR facts straight and quit being brainwashed.

          • BDC_57

            you need to get your facts straight fox fake news says more untruths than cnn

          • Independent1

            Sorry Paul but I don’t believe it – I just did an extensive search for such a story and can’t find any such thing – is this just one more thing you’ve heard from Faux News?? Because, if so, it’s a lie!!

            Here’s a real story about how Faux News listeners are the quickest to believe whatever it is they’re told – even a fantasy:

            From the Huffington Post

            Fox News viewers are much more likely than others to believe false information about American politics, a new study concludes.

            The study, conducted by the University of Maryland, judged how likely consumers of various news outlets and publications were to believe misinformation about a wide range of political issues. Overall, 90% of respondents said they felt they had heard false information being given to them during the 2010 election campaign. However, while consumers of just about every news outlet believed some information that was false, the study found that Fox News viewers, regardless of political information, were “significantly more likely” to believe all the following fake stories:

            –Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
            –Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
            –The economy is getting worse (26 points)
            –Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
            –The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
            –Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
            –The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
            –When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
            –And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)

            In addition, the study said, increased viewership of Fox News led to increased belief in these false stories.

          • Independent1

            And here’s another story that shows Faux News listeners are even more uninformed than people who don’t even listen to a news outlet:

            From HuffingtonPost

            Another study has concluded that people who only watch Fox News are less informed than all other news consumers.

            Researchers at Fairleigh Dickinson University updated a study they had conducted in late 2011. That study only sampled respondents from New Jersey, where the university is located. This time, the researchers conducted a nationwide poll.

            The poll asked questions about international news (Iran, Egypt, Syria and Greece were included) and domestic affairs (Republican primaries, Congress, unemployment and the Keystone XL pipeline.)

            The pollsters found that people were usually able to answer 1.8 out of 4 questions on foreign news, and 1.6 of 5 questions on domestic news, and that people who don’t watch any news were able to get 1.22 of the questions on domestic policy right.

            As the study explained, though, people who watched only Fox News fared worse:

            The largest effect is that of Fox News: all else being equal, someone who watched only Fox News would be expected to answer just 1.04 domestic questions correctly — a figure which is significantly worse than if they had reported watching no media at all. On the other hand, if they listened only to NPR, they would be expected to answer 1.51 questions correctly; viewers of Sunday morning talk shows fare similarly well. And people watching only “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart” could answer about 1.42 questions correctly.

            People who only listened to NPR or watched Sunday morning talk shows or “The Daily Show” did the best in the study.

          • idamag

            What you believe is filtered through your preconceived ideas, probably passed down from generation to generation. Ideologues also seek that which reinforces what they already believe.

          • idamag

            I went out to research that. Didn’t happen with Pew.

          • plc97477

            And now we can add the explosion in the fertilizer plant.

          • charleo1

            Wow. What a super post! If one considers themselves
            any kind of critical thinker, They simply cannot ignore
            these facts. Thanks!

          • I see you talk about TEXAS, but ignore the terrible conditions in most of the blue States. Isn’t Illinois the #1 murder capital of the US? And Calif. and NY, oh man, wouldn’t want to live there.

            Bush increased the debt but Obama increased it much worse, like more than ALL the past administrations from Washington TO Obama, including Bush.

          • Independent1

            I didn’t ignore anything Paul – there is no blue state that would come close to be the disaster that Texas is. And as far as the “#1 murder capital of the US”, take a look at the table below of states with more than 5 homicides per 100,000 residents per year; Illinois doesn’t hit the list until state #12 – there are 10 Red States that rank worst with you guessed it – Louisiana and Mississippi actually being the murder capitals of the US!!!

            (Note too that of the 23 states on the list, 18 of them are run by the GOP!!!! Note that Maryland & Delaware are there too probably because they’re close to DC.)

            Homicide Rates per 100,000 residents
            For states with 5 homicides/100,000
            In any year 2007 thru 2011

            Homicide Rate -2011/2010/2009/2008/2007
            Ranked by homicide rate in 2011

            R- Louisiana-11.2/11.0/11.8/11.9/14.2
            R- Mississipi-8.0/6.9/6.6/8.1/7.1
            R -New Mex.-7.5/6.8/9.9/7.2/8.2
            B- Maryland-6.8/7.4/7.7/8.8/9.8
            R- S. Carolina-6.8/5.7/6.7/6.8/8.0
            R -Alabama-6.3/5.7/6.8/7.6/8.9
            R -Arizona-6.2/6.4/5.8/6.3/7.4
            R -Michigan-6.2/5.9/6.2/5.4/6.7
            R -Missouri-6.1/7.0/6.5/7.7/6.5
            R -Tenness-5.8/5.6/7.4/6.6/6.4
            R -Georgia-5.6/5.7/5.8/6.6/7.5
            B -Illinois-5.6/5.6/6.0/6.1/5.9
            R -Arkansas-5.5/4.6/6.2/5.7/6.7
            R -Oklahoma-5.5/5.2/6.3/5.8/6.1
            R -N Carolina.-5.3/5.0/5.2/6.5/6.5
            R -Nevada-5.2/5.8/5.9/6.3/7.5
            R -Florida-5.2/5.2/5.5/6.4/6.6
            B -Pennsyl-5.0/5.1/5.3/5.6/5.8
            B- Califor-4.8/4.8/5.3/5.8/6.2
            R -Indiana-4.8/4.1/4.9/5.1/5.6
            B- Delaware-4.5/5.7/4.6/6.5/4.3
            R -Texas-4.4/4.9/5.4/5.6/5.9
            R -Alaska-4.0/4.3/3.1/4.1/6.4

          • idamag

            You are trying to confuse him with facts. His mind is made up.

          • BDC_57

            yeah he already in lala land

          • idamag

            You might go back and read the study that shows most of the welfare goes to the red states.

          • It’s amusing to hear a Republicunt/Tea Bag talk about wanting smaller government. What does that mean? They want government out of their lives, but Republicunts/Tea Bags are representatives working in the government and are being paid their salaries through the government via the taxation of the people. WE OWN THE GOVERNMENT! We pay for it, we own it. The disingenuous rhetoric of wanting smaller government and of keeping government out of their lives is astoundingoy silly when we pay taxes to keep the government running and pay salaries from our taxes to Republicunt/Tea Bags who are working to destroy us. To hear you petty trolls post in defense of Republicunt/Tea Bag treason and terrorism is incredibly amusing. If republicunt/Tea Bags ever take control of government, do trolls think they will get a pass from the destruction that will happen? Trolls will go under with the rest of us.

          • idamag

            In 1870, a plot was hatched to weaken the federal government and give more rights to the states. The reason – Until then, the Black people had every right and were treated with dignity. With a lot of subterfuge, the states were given rights to monitor their own elections. They were also given the right to enforce laws as they saw fit. The states who started the states right movement – Mississippi and Alabama. With the help of Rutherford B. Hayes and his cohorts and some illegality, that was accomplished. Boing! Along comes the JIm Crow laws and the lynchings. 10,000 Black people lost their lives. Others were so intimidated they were afraid to vote. A poll tax and literacy test made it prohibitive for minorities to vote. No, no, no states should not have the right to the voting process.

          • You are oh so right, idamag. It was about dignity and equality that was denied American citizens.

          • Bush/Cheney did that to us. Lay the blame where it belongs. Through Haliburton and Blackwater, Bush/Cheney robbed America to the ntune of triions of dollars per year and passed that debt on to the American people by borrowing trillions from a Communist country. What we are going through right now can be placed squarely at the feet of Bush/Cheney. Just like any good Republicunt/Tea Bag, they are all traitors, domestic homegrown terrorist who has attempted and is steadily trying to attempt to divide and destroy America from the inside out. Lay the blame where it belong.

          • labrown69

            No, that is not a legitimate criticism of Obama and he has not really spread the wealth. It was Bush who redistributed wealth and it all went UP! Why don’t you so called conservatives educate yourselves so I will have someone better than Obama to vote for.

        • You Got That Right My Friend 🙂 They Really Think Everybody Is Stupid Like Them And Believe The Lies They Been Worshiping That Thug Ass Ray-Gun Who By The Way Started The Free Phones Program Which They Now Lie On Obama Started!!!

          • labrown69

            Yea, they are “stupid” … not geniuses like FERN WOODCU*T!

          • Dumb Ass Koch Brother Ass Kissing Troll Like Yourself Should STFU!! I’m Smart Enough Not To Fall For Your Lying Greedy GOP/Tea Party Bullshit!! Smart Enough To Take My Ass To School And Got A Great Paying Job And Earn Others Skills To Keep My Ass Employed!! I’m A Nurse Bitch And I Didn’t Have To Slab My Fellow American In The Back To Get What I Got!!!

          • plc97477

            Maybe they talked to labrown69. He would make you think everyone is stupid.

        • idamag

          Reagan also started the anti-government movement.

          • labrown69

            Actually in some context it was the framers themselves that started it and in many respects they were very wise. Most of us tend to fear the far right and it is very easy to feel contempt for idiots who say “woman’s bodies expel rape babies”, who threaten a woman’s right to choose and who are bigoted toward the LGBT community BUT we are much less afraid of those who overlook the constant erosion of our freedoms under Bush and Obama until the “kindly and good natured far left” has people unable to smoke cigarettes in their own homes, are being fined hundreds of dollars when they are out of work for not properly inflating their car tires and confiscating our guns like they did during Hurricane Katrina so that people could not defend against looters etc. That is why visionaries like Daniel Webster said the following:
            ——-“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of
            authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made
            to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are
            men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They
            promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” – Daniel
            Webster … Webster was right!

      • howa4x

        I’m not a lefty but actually an independent. Registered to neither party. Can’t stand either of them. There are ideals and reality. Corporations are there for only one thing and that is to return the maximum profit to investors, whether it be by evading environmental laws or influencing legislation. they are not loyal to any country. Cisco left America to get 5% on taxes. Halliburton left after getting a 6 billion no bid contract for Iraq. Wall st banks due to their need to maximize profits dragged the economy to the lowest level since the great depression. These are all facts. I didn’t make it up, if you think this is a good thing than you might consider this. If the 1% don’t pay their far share of taxes you will make up the difference. We all want a strong military, good roads to ride on and sea ports to transfer goods, and some one has to pay for that. If cisco leaves because they don’t want to pay taxes than you pay their share. It is real simple. Are you following me? I’m not against corporations I just want them to act responsibly, both for the good of the economy and the environment. I know people on the right think climate change is a hoax. that is because the only people speaking against it work for the oil companies. You can think it is a hoax but if a major storm like hurricane Sandy hits you and you think that way then don’t apply for federal aid, just say it is a hoax, and I don’t believe it.
        Then you can explain to your kids why you are homeless.

      • idamag

        And, you rigthties are cookie cutter partisans. You must all think alike or be branded RINO.

      • rustacus21

        … stepping back & considering what U’r saying here, U pretend all this political ‘stuff’ is happening in the place conservatives have trapped American politics – a vacuous time warp. U still don’t understand what money has done to the American ‘polity’, or U would understand the income & wealth disparity, the concentration of media, similarly, in fewer & fewer hands (i.e., Big Eddie Schultz being ‘removed’ from prime time!) & the confusion, as a result, of the voting public to such a degree that ‘it’ reigns during MidTerms cycles & almost got Romney past the ‘post’ 1st. How many people do U know were IMPACTED by joblessness, loss of homes, healthcare, pensions & 401K’s, family members to Vietnam-style war madness – all BEFORE the current President? Stop already w/the pretense that it’s Obama’s watch this happened on & its his fault!!! U know better & should be ashamed confusing all this, as if there’s a ‘far left’ (who, in reality are Moderate wimps!!!) controlling their media messages. Its the MONEY that’s restraining Obama. How else does vocation & virtue transform to timidity (pre-2010 MidTerm election performance by Obama) – OVERNITE?! That is a question by the way…

      • rustacus21

        … oh & the ‘twisted’ ideals U refer to are called Constitutional Democracy & if it happens to be white males responsible for the deteriorations everyone but rich white males are suffering from, who else could be responsible, if everyone else ARE suffering so severely? Another question…

    • The Clear Channel Has Lost 425 Million Dollars And Counting!! LOL Looks Like Some People Are Waking Up And Using Their Own Eyes!! Rush Limpball Days Just Like The Racist Lying GOP/Tea Party May Be Numbered!!! LOL Their They Own Worst Enemy!! So Stuck On Stupid Declaring War On Everybody Then Expect Them To Vote For Them!!! LOL

      • labrown69

        And STILL potted plants like Fern don’t trust free markets. Why just allow Clear Channel to lose hundreds of millions of dollars when you can censor everyone but yourself.

        • Screw You Troll !! Free Markets Got That Plant In Texas Blown To Bits!!l I Don’t Play Well With Assholes Find You Some Business Tea Bagging Fool!! You Too Should Go On WND Wacko’s n Dummies!! Bye Bye!!

          • idamag

            And, that plant, in Texas was cited several times in the past for safety violations.

        • idamag

          You know, diptin, We don’t have free markets. Keeping you believing that is what is destroying our government. We have multi-national corporations whose power is destroying the free market.

          • labrown69

            Yes, Idamag – actually I agree with you and your are correct. However I was responding to calls for censorship which I do not support. We still have free markets to the extent that clowns like Limbaugh are hemorrhaging listeners and sponsors.

      • howa4x

        I hope they vanish

  • LOL The Whole GOP/Tea Party Is Made Up Of Fake Group Of Greedy Racist Ignorant Haters Who Wants To Make All The Money They Can By Gutting Out This Country And Throwing The Middle Class, Elderly, And Poor Working People Under The Bus!! And Don’t Want To Pay No Taxes Yet They Feel It’s Their Right To Live Here!!! 🙁 Try Telling Your Landlord Or Mortgage Company You Want To Live In Your House But You Don’t Want To Pay Rent Or Notes And See Where That Get You!!!! It Will Get You Evicted!! If You Don’t Like The Taxes MOVE!!!!!

    • Paul Colby

      See, more proof of the hate of lefties for anyone that doesn’t agree with “their” twisted ideals. Very tolerant of others I see, hahahaha! What phonies, no principles.

      • No Hating Telling The Truth TROLL!!!!!

        • plc97477

          Good answer, Fern. You are good at telling it like it is.

        • labrown69

          You speak fluent ghetto!

          • You And Your Mother Speak Trailer Park Trash Redneck Hillbilly!! Now What??

      • Independent1

        Paul, when’s the last time you were tolerant to a mugger that was fleecing you of every cent in your pocket??? That’s exactly what your GOP legislators are doing by passing legislation that provides billions is subsidies to oil companies that are making billions in profits and many of them paying on taxes. Do you realize that in any given year, that 300 of the Fortune 500 companies pay ZERO in income taxes and in fact many of them actually get refunds??? How can you not get bent out of shape when you can see that a party is doing nothing but taking you for a ride to the cleaners?? And in fact, I’ve run into a number of European posters on Yahoo News who have asked me why Americans are so blind that they can’t see what the GOP is doing!! Foreigners are more aware of what the American Mafia (aka the GOP) is doing to rob taxpayers blind than the majority of Republicans are!!!

        • You know what. If a some company tries ripping me off, I can go to another company, and there are many good companies, they have to be competitive to get our business (and create jobs), most of them are good companies. Besides, there are many regulations to stop most of any problems. BUT, when the Federal Government is the one ripping you off, taking most of our money against our will, for programs and debt to stay elected, then we have no recourse. Can you understand the difference? The Federal Government can control us, a business can’t, we have choices. When it comes time to collect “your” S.S. & Medicare, and the taxes on our National Debt consume all of our revenue just in interest, you will surely understand who the real enemy of the people are. The class warfare was created to take your attention away from the real culprits of our Freedom & choices, the Federal Government.

          • ralphkr

            And guess what, Paul? The Republican administrations have historically been the ones to pile on the National Debt by slashing taxes while increasing government spending.

          • Apparently, you are living in the past Ripplestilskin, you can’t just ignore what is happening (NOW) just to satisfy your political philosophy.

          • ralphkr

            Well, poor deluded Paul, at least I know that the current president is reducing the Federal Deficit faster than previous presidents unlike Republican presidents, starting with Ronnie Raygun, who have all specialized in INCREASING the Federal Deficit. Admittedly, Obama is no FDR or even HST but he is at least attempting to correct the deficiencies of Republican policies. Personally, my personal investment income could not have withstood another session of Republican mismanagement of the economy as my investment income dropped over 50% during the glorious rule of Cheney and his puppet, Bush. Even with all the Republican blocking moves Obama has increased the economy so my investment income has recovered nearly 70% of what the Bush years had cost me.

          • idamag

            Are you talking about Rumplestiltskin?

          • Independent1

            What do you mean by living in the past??? Republicans spending like drunken sailors has been happening in the recent history – Nixon governed with deficit spending, so did Ford, Carter cut the deficit spending budget he got from Ford, but then Reagan tripled the reduced deficit that Carter passed him; then Bush Sr; almost doubled what Reagan passed him, and Clinton cut the deficit budget he got from Bush Sr, and actually governed with 3 years of surplus budgets, then Bush jr. tripled the deficit he inherited from Clinton thru budget increases and creating an economic disaster and Obama has reduced the deficit budget that Bush passed him. What is it you don’t understand about the fact that EVERY and I repeat EVERY GOP president in office since Eisenhower has governed by driving up the deficts, while EVERY and I repeat EVERY Dem president in office after Nixon has inherted a budget with large deficit spending and has REDUCED IT!!!!

          • labrown69

            Bush doubled the national debt! This is not ancient history.

          • Independent1

            You’ve got it, every GOP president in office since Eisenhower has governed with deficit spending and passed along a budget with significant deficit increases (Bush passed along a budget with 1.6 trillion in deficit spending to Obama); While every Dem president since Nixon that’s inherited a budget with signiificant deficit spending has reduced the deficit spending – and Obama has done that faster than any president in history and he’s done it for 3 straight years (actually 4 years now) It’s the 1st time that any president has reduced spending for 3 straight (going on four) since Truman did that right after WWII.

          • LOL Are You Really That Dumb??? While The Wealthy Enjoyed The Tax Breaks We Was Paying For Them, Dumb Ass!!! Duh???

          • Ahh, let’s see. Can’t be the 40% of Americans that don’t pay ANY taxes, (Dumb Ass).

          • ralphkr

            Interesting fact to keep in mind, Paulie boy. People working at jobs such as gardeners, waiters, busboys, fast food, and other minimum or lower paying jobs don’t make enough to have to pay Federal Income Taxes. At the same time, business such as Walmart have classes to teach their underpaid employees how to get various government benefits. Walmart is drawing welfare to support their underpaid employees and that increases the profits.

          • But They Still Pay Taxes Sales Tax All Kind Of Taxes Screw Punk Ass Paulie Boy And His Group Of Ass Sucking Trolls!!!

          • You Mean The Armed Forces, The Elderly, And The Disable!! LOL I Guess Not Dumb Ass Troll!!! Why Are You Even Here This Is Not A Tea Bagging Koch Brothers Ass Kissing Convention!! You Should Gather Up Your Fellow Ass Kissing Trolls And Get The Fuck Out Of Here ASSHOLE!!

          • 788eddie

            Paul, maybe because that 40% do not earn enough to barely live on, let alone pay taxes on. The old phrase “can’t get blood from a stone” mean anything to you?

          • labrown69

            You forgot “stuck on stupid”

          • You Forgot To Wipe The Shit Off Your Mouth From All The Ass Sucking You Do!!! TROLL!!!

          • Hey Punk Didn’t You And Your Thug Ass Party Ran On That Bullshit And Lost Any Way Stop Whining And Get Over It!! That Bullshit Didn’t Work Then And It Damn Sure Ain’t Working Now!! You Trolls Are Soooooooooo Stuck On Stupid It’s Unbelievable!!! LOL

          • Independent1

            Boy Paul, you sure are clueless on a lot of things! Guess what Americans don’t pay any taxes?? Quite a number of them are millionaire Republicans who have figured out how to scam the system by putting tons of their money in accounts off shore which they then don’t report the income from on their taxes and like Mitt, often end up with Zero taxes or even a refund even though their income is in the millions. Then there are all the poverty level Red State residents who don’t make enough money to owe any taxes on – because due to the nitwit Red State legislators cutting budgets and services so fast – these folks have either been thrown out of jobs and or are working at jobs like at Walmart where they don’t make enough to qualify for paying taxes. In any case, the vast majority of them are in Red States – that’s why Red States lead the nation in sucking federal dollars from Washington with almost 10 of them getting back more than $2 in federal lsubsidies/welfare for every tax dollar they send to Washington. Red States have the majority of the 40 some percent of Americans who don’t have to pay taxes – either because they don’t earn enough, or they’re unemployed or they’re probably rich Republicans who are gaming the tax system!!!

          • idamag

            It is like Paul is defending the person who raped him – Multi-national corporations.

          • labrown69

            The reality is you are both right and arguing with each other about nothing. Paul is right that a large number Americans not only don’t pay taxes but receive money from the system and “Independent” aside from being clueless about the big picture is correct that the wealthiest among us pay no taxes either. This is precisely why and how the middle class is getting fu**ed in the US and there are policies that both the Republicans and the Democrats are responsible for. Although it would not solve all our problems in a “post Dubya world”, a return to the Clinton era tax rates and some real repatriation of off shore money would jump start us nicely on the road back to whatever we are going to look like in the future.

          • labrown69

            Nonetheless, Republicans are full of shit on this and have spent money that is not there and that is why Obama has had to spend in order to revive the economy so it can produce. As you have all come to know, I will be the first to say Obama is a disappointment on many levels but he has had no choice but to spend. Bush did not JUST double the national debt but he left “the gift that keeps on giving” … an economy in complete collapse which might never be fully restored and a destabilized Middle East having made Iran into the super power in the region by his idiotic invasion of Iraq and the murder of Saddam, doing for the Ayatollahs what they never could have done for themselves and spreading their influence in Lebanon and Syria and right up to Israel’s front door. I have always said Ronald Reagan is the “father of rap music” because of all the drug money that built labels as a direct result of the war on drugs. Now you can add to that description that George W Bush is the Father of of Hezbollah.

        • labrown69

          Excuse me but who is fleecing who? Obama is the elected mugger here and even though I opted to vote for him over the repulsive alternative the clown has had five years to act. With HSBC HAVING ADMITTED to laundering money for drug cartels and Al Qaeda, Obama is still sending our kids to die in the sand while refusing to bring a single indictment against these thugs who represent organized crime and terrorism. I think it is just a little gratuitous to believe that Obama is not mugging us.

          • Independent1

            Talk about trying to compare a rainshower to a super storm like hurrican Sandy!! On the one hand we have a president and political party that was hellbent for 8 straight years enacting legislation and starting wars that syphoned more than 7 trillion dollars from taxpayer’s pockets by starting two unnecessary wars so defense industry related companies could rip of the taxpayers (9/11 may never have happened had Bush and Cheney even tried to stop it by allowing the CIA to follow up on leads they had); by enacting 2 unwise and unfunded tax cuts which favored mostly the wealthy; by enacting an UNFUNDED drug benefit giveaway to the drug industry that’s still adding to the deficits; by trying to privatize Social Security so the financial industry could syphon money from taxpayers too; by reducing overshight of the financial industry so they could create and market risky investments that ultimately brought down the economy, and on and on; AND YOU WANT ME TO COMPARE THIS TO THE FACT THAT OBAMA HASN’T PROSECUTED THE CROOKS??? DO YOU USE YOUR HEAD FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PLACE TO PUT YOUR HAT??? You have absolutely no evidence that had Obama prosecuted financial industry companies that it would have saved tax payers ONE DIME!!! In fact, prosecuting those cases could have cost taxpayers millions, maybe billions and I’ll argue, that had Obama pursued the financial industry as he did the crooks that were stealing taxpayer monies via the defense and healthcare sectors where he has recoverded more fraudulently charged monies than the two Bushes and Clinton combined (more than 4 billion), that the negative press that would have ensued and contention that would have been created by him prosecuting many of the big donors to the GOP, could easily have driven America into another Big Depression. Hasn’t there been enough uncertainty over the past 4 years without adding more by creating more negative press and putting the viability of more fianancial companies into question??? Come on, sure it would be great to bring a lot of these hoodlums to justice, but not at the expense of depressing the economy and creating even more drastic hardships for millions and millions of more Americans. Wake up and start thinking about what you’re suggesting!! Or do you ever do that??? THINK!!!!

          • labrown69

            Those “crooks” have stolen and continue to steal far more than the cost of the wars and this economy will continue to fail until ignorant Americans like you realize that. Many trillions have been siphoned off by Wall St and it continues to this day. You may be a swell guy but you don’t comprehend what happened because Wall Street stole a minimum of 13 Trillion bucks and today the major banks thanks to Bill Clinton signing Phil Gramm’s 2000 legislation, have around 800 Trillion bucks worth of gambling markers, worthless paper called “swaps” and other worthless derivatives on their books in a world in which the combined GDP of all the countries is around 60 trillion and they are a cancer on our economy. These numbers dwarf Bush’s wars and tax cuts and while Bush’s wars and tax cuts were clearly ill advised they are not our current problem and you can not put out a forest fire by pissing on it.

          • labrown69

            Independent: PS: once you learn this much we will see if your head is even useful for a hat rack.

          • Independent1

            What hogwash!! You sure know how to blow things totally out proportion – total BS!!!

          • labrown69

            Actually it is not. My figures are accurate and I can document them. Your ignorance mitigates nothing in reality.

            Median income has dropped more since the recession was declared “over”
            than it dropped during the recession. Any person on the street knows
            what the government is just now grudgingly admitting — we have an
            emergency on our hands, the recession was never “over” and the prospects
            for recovery are nonexistent unless and until we start telling the
            truth to each other and dealing with reality.

            I
            can tell you when this crisis will be over. It will be done when we
            stop treating victims as perpetrators and stop treating perpetrators as
            “businessmen” who are merely successful at pursuing the American dream.
            If the American dream was alive we wouldn’t have the disparity of 1% of
            the country controlling virtually all the wealth, directly or indirectly
            while the other 99% are forced to stand idle, not working, even though
            they are trained or willing to be trained for the new jobs of the 21st
            century. It will be over when we stop
            calling theft “profits” and when we stop calling those who call for
            return of ill-gotten gains “redistribution of wealth” or “socialism.”

            When
            a purse snatcher has the purse seized by law enforcement and returned
            to its rightful owner that is not redistribution of wealth. The purse
            wasn’t his to begin with. There was no wealth to distribute, just value
            returned to its owner.

          • labrown69

            It makes “zero sense” to YOU because you don’t understand it. This is the derivatives and default swaps market I am speaking about.

            Here ya go fool –

            http://articles.marketwatch.com/2009-03-06/news/30775638_1_derivatives-housing-market-values

            SANTA MONICA, Calif. (MarketWatch) — There’s a $700 trillion elephant in the room and it’s time we found out how much it really weighs on the economy.

            Derivative contracts total about three-quarters of a
            quadrillion dollars in “notional” amounts, according to the Bank for International Settlements. These contracts are tallied in notional values because no one really can say how much they are worth. But valuing them correctly is exactly what we should be doing because these comprise the viral disease that has infected the financial markets and the economies of the world.

            http://www.wanttoknow.info/banking_finance/derivatives_market_bubble_financial

            According to top financial analysts and the revealing news articles below, the $700 trillion financial derivatives market may be a time bomb waiting to explode with catastrophic consequences. $700 trillion is more than 10 times the GDP of the entire world and equivalent to $100,000 for each of the 7 billion inhabitants of our planet. These financial instruments have a legitimate place in hedging risk, yet the
            recent explosion of growth in the global derivatives market has created a huge potential for massive instability.

            According to the most recent report
            from the U.S. government’s Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), the total value of derivatives has increased approximately 1000% since 1996, and 250% since 2006 (see graph on page 12 of the OCC report). Derivatives continued their rapid climb even in the midst of the global recession that started in 2008. Most disturbing is the fact that 95% of all U.S. derivatives are monopolized by just five megabanks and their holding companies.

      • idamag

        You don’t know the difference between righteous anger and hate. I do not belong to a party. I think the parties are destroying the government. However, because of the ugly rhetoric spouted by the right, I voted straight Democrat last election.

        • You have that backwards, the Parties ARE the Federal Government now, not the People anymore. If you actually listened to any news besides MSNBC or Move-On .org, you would know the Hate, “righteous anger” is by far from the Left.

          • idamag

            No, the government is run by corporations.

    • bubba

      they do not spend money for the wars….. they make the U.S. borrow the money and then they want the government to squeeze this debt out of the middle-class and poor. They are profiting from these wars.

      • plc97477

        Don’t forget the money that just disappeared.

    • Don’t hold back Fern. You are being much too kind to the Grand OLD Party.

      • Use To be The Grand Old Party Now They Are Just A Bunch Of Greedy Low Life Knuckle Dragging Warmongering Terrorists And Traitors!!

        • BDC_57

          perfect description of them fern lol

        • labrown69

          “stuck on stupid and knuckle dragging”. You have a vocabulary of 12 words. Are you stupid or just ignorant?

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          • labrown69

            Because it’s not every day you find a world class loathsome creature who only knows 9 words

          • LOL What About Your Mother She Only Knows Less Than 9!! LOL What Part Of Stop Talking To Me Do You Not Understand??? Numb Nut Troll!!!

          • labrown69

            Ho!

          • Your Mother Is A Whore!!

  • charleo1

    While it’s true Grandpa, and Grandma are getting more plugged into
    the internet. I think it’s far from certain the GOP can increase their
    voter base by reaching out to a younger, or more diverse audience.
    Because, they can’t just simply reach out and say, Hi, we’re the GOP,
    have we met? They are going to need to include their message. And,
    that’s where their travails, and troubles will start. Since most people,
    by the time they reach the age of 30, have pretty much made up their
    mind, which of the two Parties most reflects how they see the world.
    And, using those perceptions, will decide on all sorts of policies. So,
    where the real action is, is the 18 to age 30, group. And minorities.
    The fastest growing minority being Hispanic. Where that group alone,
    is producing 50,000 potential new voters each month. What will be the
    message from the Republican Party, to a group that has the potential
    to bury them over the next decade? Hi, we’re the Republican Party, and
    you do realize we were just kidding? But, if the GOP’s message problems
    ended there. If they started calling out, and publicly disagreeing with the
    most strident voices, that so far have managed to silence what is left of
    the Party, that in 1984, elected Ronald Reagan, in the largest landslide in
    in modern political history, carrying an unbelievable 49 States. But, if their
    rhetoric has become corrosive, so has their willingness to carry out that
    rhetoric. In several instances over the previous 5 years, since losing the
    Presidency to Barack Obama, they have taken to making threats, that if
    carried out, would do grievous harm to the Country. And, even after it was
    fully explained to these extremists, by their Party’s leaders, by business
    leaders from around the Country, and even on their adored Fox network,
    what repercussions would be the results of refusing to raise the debt limit,
    in a time of both recession, and war. And yet, they gave every indication
    of their full intentions to do just that. And would have, if not stopped by the
    joining of both Parties, to beat back their radicalism. This folks, is how a
    political organization commits suicide. And, right now, they sit in the People’s
    House. The House of Representatives, anxiously awaiting the next opportunity
    to drag the knife across the throat of themselves, and the GOP.

    • The Tea Party Took The GOP Hostage And Now They All Seem To Have Lost Their Minds!! All They Want Is Money, Control And Power Over The 98%!! By Hook Or Crook!! 🙁

    • plc97477

      Their only hope is too keep the younger voters and the minorities from voting and they are doing their best to make that happen.

      • charleo1

        And, on that front, they haven’t given up. But the good news is,
        Governor Rick Scott, of Florida. The least popular Governor
        in the Country. Beating some very strong competition,
        by Wisconsin’s union busting, Governor Scott Walker. Has
        announced he will restore the number of early voting days, and
        open up more polling places for 2014. But, it looks like he will
        face the very popular, recently turned Democrat, Former,
        Governor, Charlie Crist. So now, he’s trying to make nice to all
        those he managed to tick off, during his T-Party days.
        Other signs that point to the positive, is the Florida T-Party

        seems to have lost their charm. Whatever that was. So, perhaps
        saner days are ahead.

        • Independent1

          Let’s hope so! It would be a nice change to have some saner days ahead.

          • charleo1

            As I always say, from your lips, to God’s ear.
            I could always be wrong. But, it seems a lot
            of the converts, that elected people like Allen
            West, and Rick Scott, in 2010. Have not agreed
            with their policies, or attitudes, and their sucking
            up to the big money crowd. They sold themselves
            as populists, but acted like perfect corporate shills.

      • BDC_57

        They can only win by cheating notice that.

  • Germansmith

    Larry
    Do not blame the insurance industry for Obamacare. We really want it nothing to do with it and it will only hurt us…while spending billions of taxpayers money in subsidies
    You should point the blame to the AMA , Hospital Corporations and Democrats afraid of a single payer system.

    • Can you imagine the drain of health care dollars by Millions of Illegals using it basically for FREE, and many people that can pay, but don’t, have their money hidden and claim poverty? That is a HUGE cost of our health care costs.

      • Independent1

        Posts from two clueless GOP lovers. A study has shown that the rise in insurance costs for 2011 and 2012 went up by the slowest rate in 15 years; if Obamacare hadn’t been enacted, insurance costs today would be up 22-30% higher than they are; and that is before the portion of Obamacare that will actually control and bring down premiums takes effect in 2014 (when millions more will have to have insurance)
        And where in the world Paul have you gotten the notion that illegals will be getting free insurance??? Obamacare doesn’t provide free insurance to anyone – it may provide some subsidies to people who are working and can show an income record that is below a certain level (which I think means they would need a social security number and some W2s to show income; pretty tough for true illegals to get)- but no one will be getting FREE INSURANCE!!! Where are you getting these wild notions???? Is Faux News broadcasting these lies too???

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          • BDC_57

            do mean they got your ther bs degree

          • idamag

            I think, that by BS, you don’t mean bachelor of science degree.

          • More Like Bull Shit Degrees!! LOL

          • BDC_57

            I mean bull sh–t degree

    • labrown69

      When anyone tries to hold Obama accountable for his own choices the far left goes into a state of paralysis.

      • LOL Nobody Buying Your Bullshit If I Was You I Would Leave Before You Get The Ass Ripping Of Your Life!! Tea Bagging Ass Suck Brown Nosing Pussy Ass Punk!!!

  • The Republicunt/Tea Bags control the media to push their misinfortmation and revisionism, and the first thing that comes out of their mouths are “Liberal agenda and the media elites!” THEY ARE THE ELITES!

  • rustacus21

    Actually, since Richard Nixon, the Republican party has been under the influence of xtreme big money influences. Reagan was their best success, but America caught on fast, electing Clinton to get us ‘back’ to normal Constitutional governance. The ’00 election showed this money influence at its most diabolical & the time & distance since has proven how incompetent the voting public has become. Propaganda should never be overlooked, as it has been cranked up to overdrive since the ’94 MidTerms, but should now not be confused w/’social media’, w/its ‘mixed messaging’ that’s able to slip in plugs “AGAINST” Liberal/Progressives” & “FOR” conservatives.Obviously effective, Liberal/Progressives have been intimidated by the money monolith they’re facing. & yet, unappreciative, even unaware (to a large degree) of the reality that they actually have the majority of citizens – whether active voters or not & need to meet the challenge of energizing them toward the Constitutional “civil society” brand of governance in the mode of Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter, but especially Clinton (did U see him @Georgetown last Tues? Awesome & being replayed on CSPAN!!!), who coalesced the best of all of the above to not only rescue the nation from conservatives, but put the nation on a course of civic societal ‘cruise control’ for the next century. Then, we ‘happened’ to the ’00 election. We the people let him down. WE, collectively, did this to ourselves, as we all failed to ensure our own & the votes of family, friends & others left the Clinton legacy to expand & grow to maturity. 4get about conservatives & focus instead on the reconstruction’ project we’re engaged in to put the nation back its target goals arrived at in 2000, courtesy of the Clinton genius!!!