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Friday, March 22, 2019

Congressional Republicans have passed a budget, raised the debt limit and punted on immigration reform with one goal in mind. They want to make the 2014 midterm elections about Obamacare.

The party seems to be so confident of this strategy that it doesn’t appear to have any “Plan B,” as The Washington Post‘s Greg Sargent continually points out.

While going all-in on the Affordable Care Act makes sense inside the right-wing mindset, where the law is one Fox News interview from disappearing to wherever Mitt Romney was supposed to go, seniors — America’s most reliable voters — may end up leading a backlash against a post-government-shutdown Republican Party that is even less popular now than when George W. Bush left office.

Undoubtably, the poll numbers for the president’s health law remain low months after HealthCare.gov’s bungled rollout — even though it has helped lead the country to the lowest uninsured rate in five years.

But since the 2010 election, after which real, live Americans began gaining health insurance coverage due to the Affordable Care Act, has there been even one election that has been swayed by Obamacare?

Having been the godfather of the law didn’t cost Mitt Romney the 2012 GOP primary. Having signed the bill into law didn’t cost President Obama his re-election. It didn’t stop Democrats from picking up seats in the Senate and the House. Since 2012, Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ) was re-elected after accepting Medicaid expansion and Terry McAuliffe won Virginia’s governorship with a jobs plan centered upon expanding Medicaid.

In Florida, Democrat Alex Sink narrowly leads Republican David Jolly in a special election to replace Rep. Bill Young (R-FL), who passed away late last year. As Jolly attacks Sink on Obamacare, Sink defends the most popular part of the law — the ban on insurers considering pre-existing conditions — and attacks Jolly on Medicare.

Republicans exploited seniors’ fears of Medicare cuts in 2010 — then voted for the same cuts when they took the House. They also went a step further by proposing a plan to radically remake the single-payer system that provides health coverage to every American 65 or older.

Jolly, a lobbyist, has never officially endorsed or voted for the plan created by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) to turn Medicare into a voucher system.  However, nearly every sitting Republican member of the House — including the likely GOP nominee for the U.S. Senate in Arkansas Rep. Tom Cotton — has.

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61 responses to “The 2014 Factor No One Is Talking About — Seniors Are Turning On The GOP”

  1. Independent1 says:

    And it’s not just seniors that may not be too pleased with the GOP trying to repeal Obamacare. There may even be a lot of small business owners who may not be too pleased either. Especially if there are more like Arliss Bunny who’s found that turning to the ACA has allowed her business to save over $50,000 dollars/year while at the same time insuring 4 more employees of her small business.

    Here’s an excerpt from her article in the DailyKos:

    Obamacare Small Business Goldmine

    AND NOW FOR THE BIG FINISH…

    Before the ACA we were covering seven employees at a cost of $6,570.58 per month. Now we are providing for the coverage of eleven employees at a cost of $1,863.76 per month. This is a savings of $56,481.84 per year!!!

    …which we are using to hire a new employee and purchase some, much needed, new tooling.

    The ACA is a boon for small business and we, for one, are using it to grow.

    Here’s the link to the whole article:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/16/1278140/-Obamacare-Small-Business-Goldmine?detail=email

  2. jaazee says:

    To begin with, Pres Obama is unconstitutionally “delaying” #obamacare, knowing full well that corporations will be dropping employer plans, reducing hours, and possibly reducing the workforce. It was Obama who transferred $700,000,000 from Medicare to fund Obamacare, not the GOP. It is Obama who is destroying the healthcare system with a dysfunctional program seemingly put together on the fly…tweeting and twitching and stitching and sewing…ey li
    Those 2300 or so original pages of the unread “Affordable” Care Act, was a “fill in the blanks” to be determined by Ms Sebilius and HHS. I assume that he is not guilty of dereliction of duty in not informing the President of the disaster coming with an October deadline for the web site.In that case she is guilty of just not doing her job,
    Millions of families are losing healthcare plans they liked, plans that satisfied their needs. They were lied to by our radical ideologue President who’s positive he knows better what is good for our families than we do. And so now mothers have lost access to their children’s pediatricians,to specialists that had saved lives, oncologists, cardiologists, and good old fashioned family doctors.an
    They are now being directed to an Obama “Exchange’ where rates are higher than they were paying previously, and deductibles range from $4,000 to $6,000+

    Yes, Virginia, Santa Claus is dead, killed by liberals who took every last penny out of the jar, and .borrowed us into bankruptcy

    • Politics Unspun says:

      Those deductibles are for a family — when my daughter looked at a potential policy, her deductible was going to be $2000 w/ and out of pocket of $4500 for a BCBS policy. We had a question and I ended up calling BCBS. The rep told me the deductible was for a family of 3 and since it would be just her and her husband, the deductible would be $750 for each of them and out of pocket would be $1500 each. That’s a better plan than I have through my employer. With her subsidy, their premium was just over $100 per month.

      Shortly after signing up, she learned she was eligible for a union sponsored policy for her day care at no cost to her and no deductible.

      As for that 2300 pages — give me a break. Margins are 2.5″ on each side, and the text is triple spaced. Take out all the redundant language in each section and you’re looking at roughly 600 pages in a normal Word letter format. It takes about 2 hours or less to read. I know – I did it.

      BTW – the law allows Obama to delay aspects of the bill deemed necessary, contrary to the Faux propaganda machine.

      And if the GD GOP would get off the A$$E$ and stop throwing a temper tantrum, some of the unanticipated problems could be fixed. Instead, they’d rather gin up their base with a bunch of BS lies using racial innuendo they’ve used since Nixon to convince people like you how bad these bills are for you. They did the same thing with Medicare – ever seen those Reagan commercials where he’s crying “socialism” about Medicare.

      You bet it’s socialism, just like our roads, bridges, military, VA, Tri-Care, Farm subsidies, crop insurance, flood insurance, etc. And without them we’d be in a sorry mess waiting for those capitalist to offer any assistance to those in need.

      Instead they want us to build their roads to carry their goods, and build their football / baseball stadiums with overpriced tickets the common man can’t even afford, and give them tons of tax breaks while we taxpayers build their infrastructure.

      We pay for R&D and then let these companies take the inventions and use them to enrich themselves with not even a price break to the taxpayers, in violation of the Bayh-Dole Act no one has enforced since it was enacted back in the 80s.. Example — GPS technology – paid for by us. MRI machines. And on and on. If you want thousands of examples, go to the NASA Spinoff database.

      i’m fed up with all the whining from the right, when you don’t even have the slightest idea what government does for you each and every day in more ways than you can imagine — benefits brought to you by both sane Republicans and Democrats in years past.

      Sure they screw up sometimes – but isn’t it our goal to make them work better for us? Instead we’re sending morons who would rather shut down the government for their money men who want the government to work for them, not us.

      Want to understand how you’ve be used:?

      Read this: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525

      I truly feel sorry for those who have been fed this nonsense for decades and decades. How’d Reagan’s trickle down work for you? Did you get the golden shower yet?

      And, yes, NAFTA was bad — partly because the GOP defunded the State, the Trade Rep, Commerce and Labor departments that were supposed to enforce it. Bet you didn’t know that did you?

      The GOP wanted it passed, Clinton agreed, and then the GOP screwed us for their masters. Just like Glass-Steagall. Phil Gramm & his buddies, along with the loser Larry Summers, and Clinton – who at least admitted recently that it was a mistake, gave Wall Street the green light to step on the gas and run us over a cliff. Bush unraveled more of it and Greenspan did nothing to curtail it by raising interest rates.

      And, of course, the right thinks the poor buying houses caused a GLOBAL crisis, rather than pinning it on the likes of Wendy Gramm, Phil’s wife, who elected NOT to regulate derivatives just before she when to work for ENRON & Phil went to work for UBS.

      Remember ENRON?

      • latebloomingrandma says:

        Awesome post! I wish you could meet my brother and set him straight!

        • Politics Unspun says:

          Doubtful it would help – their minds have been so poisoned by Faux News propaganda that there’s little that can be done.

          You might try this article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525

          But still unlikely it will open his eyes. They’ve been told over and over that the media can’t be trusted. And they’re right — it all started with Fox and too many became lazy stenographers for the right wing machine while Bush was in office. That woman at the NYT was just one of many. David Gregory is another lazy / biased reporter. He will never live up to Tim Russert”s legacy. His only hard questions or corrections are with Democrats. He never corrects or gets tough with Republicans.

          Journalism’s complete failure to do investigative reporting, due to corporate conglomerates and downsizing have very neary destroyed our democracy.

          I’m hoping with all the information coming to light in the Christy, McDonnell, Walker and McCrory will show them the way back to responsible reporting.

      • Lovefacts says:

        And let’s not forgot the federal subsidy for those between Medicaid and middle class. Oh, I forgot, there isn’t a middle class anymore. This subsidy has allowed my daughter–who’s a chef–to have health insurance for the first time since she left college. I can already see the difference it’s made in her health. She’s now receiving preventive care and can afford to see a doctor when bronchitis first starts, instead of waiting until it’s turned to pneumonia and she has to go to the ER. She’s was shocked and thrilled to learn she could get the pneumonia vaccine for free from her pharmacy b/c it’s consider preventive care.

    • gmccpa says:

      As soon as I read ‘2300 pages’…I know the writer is merely spouting off talking points. Here you go….906 pages…2.5″margins and all.

      http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111publ148.pdf

    • gmccpa says:

      I know this is a bit off topic…but I’m going to respond to that ‘borrowed us into bankruptcy’ nonsense as well. Its an easy meme because the debt is 17 trillion dollars…even though it wasn’t liberals who took us to that. In any case..being bankrupt, generally means insolvent…debts exceed assets.

      About a year ago the Institute for Energy Resource…one of the most conservative, Obama hating organizations there is…let out this little tidbit of information. It was an attempt to bash Obama…but they missed the obvious.

      “IER estimated the worth of the government’s oil and gas technically recoverable resources to the economy to be $128 trillion, about 8 times our national debt”

      http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2013/01/17/federal-assets-above-and-below-ground/

      As a nation we are a far cry from ‘bankrupt’…by any definition. The problem is you’ve been brainwashed to believe that its the lower income people that are the ‘takers’. You’ve got it backwards.

    • darkagesbegin says:

      Step outside. You’ll find that the sky is still blue and it is not falling. That is, if you are able to perceive reality based upon your own experience and the facts involved. Of course, if your perception of reality is filtered through what some book and/or some tv or radio station says, you may find the sky falling on you only…

    • omgamike says:

      More lies and half-truths. Yes, $700 million was transferred out of Medicare. But what you fail to state is that that money came out of the pockets of providers, not out of the pockets of Medicare recipients.
      Web site roll-out problems, and the blame for them, lie with red state governors who refused to allow the Medicaid expansion and/or refused to start their own state exchanges. Leaving all those who wanted coverage to have to go to the federal website, which had not been designed to handle that massive volume increase.
      Yes, there were a few million people who lost their insurance coverage. And most of those who lost coverage, lost it because the policies they had were shit and didn’t cover anything. And had no hope of meeting the minimum standards of the ACA. Those same people can get coverage now that actually covers vital things. Some will pay more, but a lot more are going to be paying a heck of a lot less.
      And for you to infer that dems borrowed us into bankruptcy, is an out and out lie — and you know it, or you should. In almost five years, the deficit has been cut in half. Most of that increase in the national debt is due to the time before Obama took office.
      You need to stop listening to the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Colter, and similar right wing nut jobs. Start watching something other than Fox news. Broaden your horizons. Fill that space between your ears with something other than air.

    • daniel bostdorf says:

      Troll alert—Thank you for your view. Go back to Breibart, Red Flag News where you belong.

      We know who you are by simply reading your distinguished “pieces of work” here:

      http://disqus.com/jaazee/

  3. 4sanity4all says:

    I am in that 55 to 64 year old group. I previously had awful medical insurance, it excluded my pre-existing condition, and I had to pay for all of my medical care out of pocket. My deductible was so high, my insurance then paid for nothing. All of my premiums were a windfall for the insurance company. Now with my ACA policy, it actually has been paying for most of the care I have received. I have access to a much better hospital, and a great pool of doctors. Today I received a right wing looney letter, full of lies about why we must repeal “Obamacare”. I responded to their “survey”, but I don’t think they will like my answers.
    I haven’t had such good health care since before insurance companies started to deny coverage for any lame excuse because the government let them. Now the government has addressed these issues, and fixed most of them. There will be more things to address, but at least we are again on a good path. Republicans think that it is a good idea to make us all go back to a time when the insurance companies could take our premiums yet still make us also pay the cost of our care, entirely out of our own pocket. Maybe there are too many rich Republicans who have great health insurance from their job, but most of America cannot say the same. Most of us had horrible coverage, and now many of us cannot even find a full time job with any benefits. Most of us are working two to five part time jobs, because the Republicans do not think that a government stimulus, or job creation, is a priority.
    I imagine that a lot of Republicans are going to pay a price for staying inside their bubble, instead of actually listening to the American people, to find out what their priorities are. Very few Americans shared their priority of making the President become a one term President. And very few Americans want to go back to being at the mercy of the insurance companies. Republicans are out of touch. I hope that they will soon be out of office.

  4. charles king says:

    Critical Thinking works believe me, I have been dealing with America’s problems by thinking clearly and making good decisions.I have Social Security, It Works. I have Obamacare, I am a Korean War Vet, Obamacare works. I play tennis at (84) excrises works Why? are these Republicans trying to tear down something that Works for the People. Life is short, live your dream and do not let MONIES control your destiney. Thank You are the magic words in my book. I Love Ya All. Check-up on Plutocracy Vs Democracy, Your Vote is What? your Democracy is all about. Mr. C. E. KING

  5. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

    As a veteran, like Charles King, I was not too worried about health care after I turn 65. My wife is 12 years younger than I am, and I can still be covered under her plan then as I am now. Add to that, I would have Medicare and the VA as needed. Of course, that was before the Republican party decided to attack seniors by cutting back on Social Security COLA, cutting back on Medicare while raising premiums, and cutting back on VA funding.
    I miss the good old days of the Jacob Javitts, Nelson Rockefeller Republicans.

    • stcroixcarp says:

      Me too. I actually respected those guys. I miss Jerry Ford too.

    • FredAppell says:

      Why do so many veterans still support the GOP, I thought it was common knowledge that they are the ones who continuously cut funding for vets. Are they just too damn indoctrinated into right wing thinking to realize this or is their hatred of liberals so strong that they don’t care? I’m perplexed!

      • angelsinca says:

        I’m a veteran. I support the GOP.

        I care deeply that Veteran services has waned along with VA funding cuts. It effects me personally. Painting blame for those cuts on the GOP doesn’t offer solution,

        Instead, we ought to be disussing ways to return to the Vets what was promised, without stalemating the debate with partisan poli-drama.

  6. howa4x says:

    One thing the GOP is loathe to mention in their talking points is that people are getting covered. As more and more get coverage the argument against the ACA will start falling on deft ears. The issue of privatizing social security will send seniors scurrying, or putting their counted on retirement into the gambling casino on wall st will drive them to a march on DC. Americans are tired of only Wall St. big banks and insurance companies making money while no one else is.
    Then the subject will change to why haven’t the republicans passed the jobs bill, or why haven’t they extended unemployment insurance, or why they haven’t accepted the Medicaid expansion in 24 states, or enacted sensible background checks on gun purchases. We have 6000 bridges in danger of collapse and the GOP controlled house is proud of the fact that they didn’t address it.
    Instead they are doubling down on abortion restrictions, railing against same sex marriage, and pushing the Keystone pipeline even though the tar sands are going to a refinery on the port because they are being exported to other countries. They are screaming that climate change is a hoax even as our population is suffering from drought, wild fires, blizzards and an increase in the severity of storms. This election is really about going forward or backward. The winds of change wait for no one.

  7. elw says:

    Why the GOP continues to pick issues they have already lost to fight about again is beyond me. I say let them, because if that is the best they can do than they do not deserve to win. Who, in their right mind, would want to vote for someone whose point in life is stuck on a losing issue and can think of nothing else. We have far too many real issues in this Country to be focused on non-issues. Right now I would not give my vote to a republican for all the money in the world, they are truly the Party of Stupid.

  8. tomlaw says:

    The premise of this piece is sound, but the problem is the Democrats who treat the ACA like it’s the crazy uncle in the attic of whom they’re ashamed. They need not only to defend Obamacare but to sell how good it is. Stop being wimps about it.

  9. ThomasBonsell says:

    Why the GOP has any support among seniors is a major mystery.

    It was the Democrats who created Social Security that benefits seniors the most. It benefits younger people also by allowing seniors to retire into something other than starvation poverty and that opens jobs for the young. The GOP is still trying to destroy Social Security.

    It was the Democratic Party that created Medicare, that benefits mostly seniors to keep them from falling back into abject poverty because of health issues. The GOP is still trying to destroy that also. It helps some younger Americans because they don’t have to dip into their savings to help parents pay medical bills.

    This is a call to fellow seniors: Pull your heads out of whatever you’re keeping them in and start to recognized who your enemy is. It is the GOP.

    • angelsinca says:

      Most people mature into conservatives. That’s usually after a lifetime of working hard, only to see another trending progressive wave tell us how our money should be shared and spent.

      • ThomasBonsell says:

        None of what you say is true.

        The well-educated and those with higher higher IQs never descend into conservatism.

        If you would research you will find that taxes and spending are usually higher under the GOP. More money is spent on “welfare” programs because the GOP creates more poverty, destitution and needs for safety-net programs.

        Please don’t insult my intelligence by such nonsense. Do some research.

        • angelsinca says:

          Conservatism is usually an evolutionary exercise of maturity. We are all born as liberals.

          • ThomasBonsell says:

            Nonsense.

            Study after study say the opposite.

            One study out of Great Britain showed that self-professed liberals have IQs 6 to 10 points higher than self-described conservatives. That would seem, according to your claims, that those with lower IQs didn’t evolve, but devolved. Consider how everything they do in government turns to disaster and ruins the lives of millions of people, that would seem to be an accurate description of conservatives devolving downward into mental retardation.

      • FredAppell says:

        With all do respect my friend, I have to disagree with your statement. While that may apply for some seniors, you have to remember that many of the progressives you encounter on the NM are your age or even possibly older than you.

        Age becomes irrelevant when society and politics are concerned. Many of the folks on here have more in common with you than you may realize, they’ve shared the same experiences as you. It’s their interpretation of event’s that set them apart from yours. That’s where the differences in beliefs play a heavy factor. Democrats and everyone left of center
        believe that the promises of the Constitution are still largely unfulfilled but we’re getting there little by little. Republicans and everyone right of center believe that the gains have gone way too far. That’s not age related at all, it’s just a different set of values.

        I empathize with you that your money is disappearing, we’re all feeling the squeeze, believe me. We too want a solution
        to the problem, but again, our idea on how to do that is different than yours but we want an equable solution for all, not just the wealthy.

        • angelsinca says:

          Thanks for the comment Fred. Using the demographics of several older participants on the NM probably isn’t the best sample of the progressive population. Blogs with established regulars seem to be comprised mostly of retirees that have the time to particpate.

          On the comparison you made, using the promises of the Constitution to compare liberals and conservatives, could you elaborate a little more?

          The talking points on both side seem to accuse the other side of assaulting the Constitution. Not sure what your mention is. I am guessing maybe the promises of equality afforded by the Bill of Rights?

          • FredAppell says:

            You’re right, I was a little vague, you have my apologies. On my original point, I’ve met many people over the years due to my last job (I delivered bedding to homes) and I can only assume that my state is a microcosm of the rest of the country. There are a lot of older liberals just as there are a lot of older conservatives, you would be amazed at how quickly people open up to a stranger when they’re at ease.

            Now onto my second point, I did indeed mistake one for the other, I was thinking Constitution but the Bill of Rights was actually more in line with my comment. I should have said that the amendments in the Bill of Rights are interpreted differently by both liberals and conservatives. Also, liberals do strongly believe that the Constitution is a living document, I don’t know what you believe on the matter but many on the far right and the Libertarian Party believes the
            Constitution to be absolute in it’s most original form. I hope I was able to answer your question.

          • angelsinca says:

            Thanks Fred. I agree that the Constitution is a ‘living document’ insomuch that it can be revised, but only through supplementing what is already there via the amendment process. Since the document is important enough to have an entire branch of government dedicated to preserving its intent, I similarly support protecting it from attempts to modernize any of its existing provisions.

  10. The G.O.P.’s standing with seniors has depended entirely on them being completely ignorant of who they are actually voting for and thinking it’s the exact same G.O.P. they worshiped under Ronald Reagan. Though that one factor was blown, I suspect, when many of them suddenly found themselves ineligible to vote thanks to G.O.P. leadership.

    What has become ever increasingly apparent year after year is that the G.O.P. genuinely has no base outside of its millionaire donors. While the Democrats stretch themselves thin trying to include as many Americans as possible, the Republicans have established a pattern of treating their voters like suckers.

    • angelsinca says:

      “many of them (seniors) suddenly found themselves ineligible to vote thanks to G.O.P. leadership.”

      Assuming you are stoking the flames of Voter ID requirements, this seems like ahollow accusation. By the time most people reach their 60’s, they’ve figured out how to get an ID to prove who they are and are entitled to vote legally.

      “What has become ever increasingly apparent year after year is that the G.O.P. genuinely has no base outside of its millionaire donors.”

      Actually, the GOP base is growing and we aren’t all rich. Ask my adult children that have joined the GOP. The list of top political donors seem to be mostly funneling dollars to Democratic causes.

      “Republicans have established a pattern of treating their voters like suckers”

      Kind of like how the Parks and memorials and white house tours were shut down at the direction of the Democratic administration? Or how the promises of the ACA were only true long enough to not effect the elections? Got it.

      • Fortunately, the G.O.P. can still count on the bigoted, the short-fused, or in your case, the reality-impaired to inflate their numbers. For now, at least.

        Getting an ID is easy, yes, but the G.O.P. made sure not just ANY ID was sufficient. State employee IDs or veterans benefit cards, for example, were not accepted as IDs. The only IDs they would take, they made sure were the ones poor people were unlikely to acquire.

        Sure, the G.O.P. still has a solid base of anarchists and Churchians, but these two groups are wholly incompatible; one of them hates all government and doesn’t want to see it performing even the most basic of functions, while the other wants a state-enshrined religious doctrine that will lord over its citizenry down to even the most frivolous of details.

        For this reason, simultaneously appeasing both the Tea Party libertarians and the Religious Right authoritarians 100% of the time is literally impossible. Which leaves the G.O.P. with only two equally terrible options:

        #1: Completely dump one side of the spectrum and watch them become the U.S.’s third party.
        #2: Try to appeal to both with blatant hypocrisy and only retain the hypocrites from both crowds.

        You, evidently, are one of the hypocrites they retained through Option #2: Someone opposed to healthcare for poor people, but not opposed to government-sponsored theme parks.

        Unfortunately for you and the G.O.P., very few people are so loyal to labels like “Republican” or “Libertarian” that they will completely detach themselves from reality. They lost seniors by trying to sell off their benefits, the true libertarians by pandering to religious extremism, and the faithful by blatantly enshrining hate and greed over compassion and charity.

        What we now have, therefore, is quite literally a party of the 1%; 0.1% of the richest people in America and 0.9% of the most fanatical.

        And the only reason the G.O.P. hasn’t completely collapsed under the weight of its own hypocrisy yet is because too many Americans completely detest politics and haven’t noticed how bad the G.O.P. has truly become.

        Which used to be how they retained their strong base of seniors, until they finally gave the seniors a very rude awakening in the forms of voter I.D. laws and attempts at gutting their benefits.

        So that’s it. It’s not a question of whether or not the G.O.P. is dead. It’s how long you and your ilk can play the puppeteer with its corpse before everyone starts inquiring about the smell.

        • angelsinca says:

          The notions you have about the GOP might apply to isolated instances and boneheaded legislators, but NONE apply to the entire Republican contingency. The GOP remains strong and will easily defeat those that hide behind these often-repeated stereotypes. I would review each false notion you have, but they are all wrong, Thanks for the rant.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            It wasn’t a rant at all….you gotta stop the troll like personal attacks ok?

          • angelsinca says:

            You ought to accept that disagreement is not trolling and that opposing views aren’t
            ‘personal attacks’, OK?

            What do you do call negative UNTRUE stereotyping of conservatives, ‘Democratic process’?

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            Thank you for your view.

          • angelsinca says:

            Thanks for the text book definition. The term ‘troll’ is too loosely used on conservative blogs toward visiting liberals and liberal blogs like this one toward visiting conservatives.

            The term is usually used with derragatory intent. Its use always comes across as nothing more than a vociferious attempt to end discussion that doesn’t jibe with the collective.

            It’s a deathnail to individual expression and echoes a disturbing trend to cleanse conversation so that only agreement is allowed. Very unhealthy practice for a free society.

            Thanks for allowing me to comment /sarcasm

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            Thank you for your view.

          • What you appear to be deliberately trying to forget is that the people that does NOT apply to are not wholeheartedly loyal to the G.O.P. Unlike you, most conservatives have a limit to how much hatred, stupidity or backwards legislation they can tolerate from the G.O.P.

            It’s odd that you would choose to ignore this, seeing as the article you’re throwing this prolonged temper tantrum on is all about how the G.O.P. is losing what were previously its most reliable voters.

            More and more, conservatives are becoming wise, not just to the fact that the G.O.P. is perfectly content to staunchly adhere to ideas that have repeatedly blown up in their faces every single time they were put into practice, but that the G.O.P. is in no way conservative.

            I know that’s terribly inconvenient for you and your party-before-country loyalty, but it’s the truth.

          • angelsinca says:

            Sorry, but your version of ‘truth’ goes only so far as to tossing around key words and phrases that aren’t much more than boilerplate anti-conservative dither. If the GOP implodes, I’ll take it all back. In the meantime, you really ought to be keeping on eye on your own folks. Based on how they treat conservatives, and how they profess equaiity toward all, you may want to wake up to see they don’t care much for you either.

          • You’re still depending wholeheartedly on this perverted fantasy that all conservatives are exactly like you.

            But back in that pesky little thing you so greatly detest called reality, if all conservatives were as staunchly loyal to parties and labels as you are, Barack Obama would have never been elected in the first place.

            The G.O.P. has driven off MILLIONS of Americans and continues to drive off more by the day. All because they are convinced that, instead of becoming a governing party of the modern world, they can just throw a temper tantrum over no longer being in power and still get voted for.

            It’s a misconception that party-before-country harlots like yourself have greatly contributed to, but that the vast majority of the people you claim to be representative of will not go along with.

            Conservatism is very much alive and well in America, but the G.O.P. is no longer the conservative party.

          • angelsinca says:

            Actually David, I do not detest relaity. And, I surely do not believe all conservatives are exactly like me. These are you crafted notions. Don’t feel bad though. As a conservative, I am accustomed to being labeled by liberals as things I am not.

            Contrary to more liberal fantasy that seems to delight in predicting the end of the GOP, most conservatives don’t care to identify to a particular party. Except as it collectively counters liberal mandates that we don’t want.

            So, if the GOP becomes something else or evaporates into another identity, so what, I don’t care. As long as it doesn’t hide behind an illusion of being a universal fit for all the people. thanks

          • Uh-huh. You claim you don’t detest it, but you can’t even spell it. And you forgot who you’re throwing a tantrum at.

            No, you are not a conservative. And everyone, especially the conservatives, is well aware of it.

          • angelsinca says:

            It’s called a typo. Duh. Sorry, don’t care to play silly word games. Have a good day.

          • It’s called irony, and there’s too much difference between “Michael” and “David” for me to chalk it up to that.

            The Tea Party’s war against reality is as futile as ever.

      • daniel bostdorf says:

        I don’t agree with your post and Michael Ross below is dead on…

    • daniel bostdorf says:

      And Paul Ryans dangerous medicare plan is hoping that eveyone has forgotten why it is not an option. I explain to above poster…

  11. daniel bostdorf says:

    Fantastic post here and thanks to Jason for exploring this with the article.

    It jogged my memory about a video I saw last year. It confirms the trend now in 2014 is getting stronger as Jason has written about:

    “Adults aged 55-64 make up 31 percent of the new enrollees in the health care marketplaces set up by the law. A new Associated Press report notes that workers nearing retirement have been hardest hit by the Great Recession and are in the most desperate need of what the law offers:…Aging boomers are more likely to be in debt as they enter retirement than were previous generations, with many having purchased more expensive homes with smaller down payments, said economist Olivia Mitchell of University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School. One in five has unpaid medical bills and 17 percent are underwater with their home values. Fourteen percent are uninsured…..As of December, 46 percent of older jobseekers were among the long-term unemployed compared with less than 25 percent before the recession.”

    And those financial setbacks happened just as their health care needs became more acute. Americans in their mid-50s to mid-60s are more likely to be diagnosed with diabetes than other age groups, younger or older, accounting for 3 in 10 of the adult diabetes diagnoses in the United States each year. And every year after age 50, the rate of cancer diagnosis climbs.

    Here:

    http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/senior-citizens-abandoning-gop/52029bfdfe344477560000b7

    • angelsinca says:

      I am that aging and ailing boomer demographic you describe. I fully support the Ryan Medicare proposal. It offers a glimmer of hope that some help might still be available for those that need it. It reduces the government assistance benefits paid to those that are able to get by with their own pensions/retirements/investments without taking away from those less financially fortunate. Just like the better parts of Obamacare, but without imposing added expense on everyone.

      • daniel bostdorf says:

        Thank you for thoughtful response. But I strongly cannot support Paul Ryan’s plan.

 And haven’t since he introduced it 3 years ago.

        We live in a country called the “United States of America.” Not the divided states of America as some in extreme GIP would want particularly Ryan.

        As a nation, we must share responsibilities towards each other as a United States of America.

        

The ACA requires all citizens to do their collective civic duty and participate equally….not selectively… This ensures that the entire nation lowers health care costs and at same time raise the standard of care for those in poverty.

        No demographic can be exempt or have preference from this national duty as a citizen.

        Ryan’s plan does none of this.

        

There is an important article about why Ryan’s plan is dangerous to the USA.


        TItled: Why Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan is so flawed

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        By Ezra Klein2 quotes from the article:

        Thank you for thoughtful response. But I strongly cannot support Paul Ryan’s plan.

We live in a country called the “United States of America.” Not the divided states of America. As a nation, we must share responsibilities towards each other.

The ACA requires all citizens to do their collective civic duty and participate equally to ensure that the entire nation lowers health care costs and at same time raise the standard of acre for those in poverty. No demographic can be exempt from this natuional duty as a citizen.

There is an important article about why Ryan’s plan is dangerous to the USA.

        “Rivlin’s worry is that Ryan’s plan won’t control costs so much as shift them to seniors. And the CBO agrees with her. It concluded that Ryan’s privatization plan would actually add to Medicare’s costs. In 2030, traditional Medicare insurance, CBO estimates, would only cost 60 percent as much as the private options Ryan is offering. But under Ryan’s plan, seniors would pay two-thirds of the cost, while under traditional Medicare, they’d pay only 25 percent.

        That’s not cost control. That’s cost-shifting. And even assuming Congress would turn a deaf ear to the cries of seniors, it wouldn’t solve our nation’s fiscal problems. It would just shunt them off the federal budget and onto family budgets, and make them worse.”

”Ryan’s savings all come from cuts, and at least two-thirds of them 
come from programs serving the poor. The wealthy, meanwhile, would see 
their taxes lowered, and the Defense Department would escape unscathed. 
It is not courageous to attack the weak while supporting your party’s 
most inane and damaging fiscal orthodoxies. But the problem isn’t just 
that Ryan’s budget is morally questionable. It also wouldn’t work.

Don’t
take it from me. Take it from Robert Reischauer, who directed the 
Congressional Budget Office from 1989 to 1995 and now leads the Urban 
Institute. “If this is a competition between Ryan and the Affordable 
Care Act on realistic approaches to curbing the growth of spending,” 
Reischauer says, “the Affordable Care Act gets five points and Ryan gets
zero.” But Ryan would repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it 
with his own wishful plan. In doing so, he makes it harder, not easier, 
for us to balance the budget.



        http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/why-rep-paul-ryans-budget-plan-is-so-flawed/2011/04/11/AFHLOpMD_story.html

        

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/why-rep-paul-ryans-budget-plan-is-so-flawed/2011/04/11/AFHLOpMD_story.html”

  12. ExRadioGuy15 says:

    Seniors who vote for Republicans suffer from the same fear, ignorance and cognitive dissonance the younger GOP Progressives and Moderates do regarding the truth of today’s Republican Party.
    I wonder what Seniors would say if they knew the GOP’s TRUE plans for Social Security and Medicare? Would you like to know what those plans are? Good…
    While the GOP wrongly claim that Social Security and Medicare add to the annual budget deficit, their plan using that talking point is to eventually eliminate both programs. Sure, they SAY that all they want to do is make cuts to both programs to help reduce the deficit. But, when has the truth or facts actually been a factor in GOP talking points or propaganda?
    Here’s something of which I have to constantly remind people: Social Security and Medicare benefits are not paid out of general federal tax revenues. This means that, despite what the GOP and GOP sympathizers in the so-called “Liberal media” outlets are telling us, we’re NOT borrowing money to pay SS and Medicare benefits. If the debt limit hadn’t been raised, SS and Medicare benefits still would have been paid. Why? The Social Security Trust Fund (SSTF)….
    Those of you who still work or are retired may remember seeing a deduction from your paychecks labeled, “FICA”, or what’s more popularly known as the “payroll tax”. FICA stands for Federal Insurance Contributions Act, the federal law used to fund Social Security and Medicare. Your employer matched or still matches your deductions that go into the SSTF via FICA. The SSTF is completely separate from federal general tax revenues. The SSTF has enough of a surplus to pay 100% benefits through 2037 and at least 75% of benefits after that. In the 1980’s, then-President Ronald Reagan famously told the truth about Social Security and Medicare, “they have nothing to do with the deficit”. But…..
    Because the SSTF now has a $2 Trillion surplus, the GOP look at it as a “slush fund” that can be raided to pay for their deficit spending and tax policies. The Reagan administration was the first administration to raid the SSTF…he did this in early 1983, using the $500 billion he took to finance an increase of public-sector jobs and tax breaks for the wealthy to get us out of that recession. The Clinton administration used $500 million from SSTF early in his time in office but ended up paying that back by raising the SS income tax “cap”. He also raised taxes on the wealthy and big corporations that eventually led to four surplus budgets in a row in his second term. Bush 41 took a similar amount to finance the first Gulf War.
    But, the biggest offender in raiding the SSTF was the Bush 43 administration. Because of the tax policies, wars and other deficit spending, they needed to get the money from somewhere. They chose to “borrow” $2.75 TRILLION, leaving Treasury bonds as “I.O.U.’s”. The SSTF is owed more than $3 TRILLION because of interest accrued on this “loan”. If the Bush 43 administration hadn’t done this, Social Security and Medicare would be funded through at least 2060 and possibly even longer.
    Now, I’m not a Senior citizen, but I am a Baby Boomer (tail end). Approximately 4 million Boomers will hit retirement age every year until 2029. This is the reason why the SSTF is “solvent” until just 2037. But, there’s another way to look at this: if it weren’t for the Boomer generation, all working and contributing to the SSTF throughout the years, there wouldn’t have been much for those administrations to raid. Either way, this money needs to be repaid. I first wrote about a plan more than two years ago that’d do just that, but I won’t get into that right now…
    Long story short, Seniors: the Republicans, if they have the political power to do so, would abolish Social Security and Medicare and use the money in the SSTF to redistribute wealth upwards via tax breaks for the wealthy and big corporations. After all of the hard work you did to contribute to SS and Medicare, are you simply going to let the GOP take those hard-earned benefits away from you so that the top 1% can gain even more wealth?!?

  13. daniel bostdorf says:

    As a nation, we must share responsibilities towards each other as a United States of America. 

The ACA requires all citizens to do their collective civic duty and participate equally….not selectively… This ensures that the entire nation lowers health care costs and at same time raise the standard of care for those in poverty. No demographic can be exempt or have preference from this national duty as a citizen.

    Paul Ryan’s plan does none of this. And anyone who suggests this does not know the facts. And what is frightening is that there is still serious consiedration in the GOP for Ryan’s dangerous plan.

    Here is an important article about why Ryan’s plan is dangerous to the USA.


    TItled: Why Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan is so flawed
    By Ezra Klein

    2 quotes from article:

    “Rivlin’s worry is that Ryan’s plan won’t control costs so much as shift them to seniors. And the CBO agrees with her. It concluded that Ryan’s privatization plan would actually add to Medicare’s costs. In 2030, traditional Medicare insurance, CBO estimates, would only cost 60 percent as much as the private options Ryan is offering. But under Ryan’s plan, seniors would pay two-thirds of the cost, while under traditional Medicare, they’d pay only 25 percent…………That’s not cost control. That’s cost-shifting………And even assuming Congress would turn a deaf ear to the cries of seniors, it wouldn’t solve our nation’s fiscal problems. It would just shunt them off the federal budget and onto family budgets, and make them worse.”

    2nd quote:

    

”Ryan’s savings all come from cuts, and at least two-thirds of them 
come from programs serving the poor….. The wealthy, meanwhile, would see 
their taxes lowered, and the Defense Department would escape unscathed. 
It is not courageous to attack the weak while supporting your party’s 
most inane and damaging fiscal orthodoxies. But the problem isn’t just 
that Ryan’s budget is morally questionable. It also wouldn’t work. 

Don’t
 take it from me……… Take it from Robert Reischauer, who directed the 
Congressional Budget Office from 1989 to 1995 and now leads the Urban 
Institute. “If this is a competition between Ryan and the Affordable 
Care Act on realistic approaches to curbing the growth of spending,” 
Reischauer says, “the Affordable Care Act gets five points and Ryan gets
zero.” But Ryan would repeal the Affordable Care Act and replace it 
with his own wishful plan. In doing so, he makes it harder, not easier, 
for us to balance the budget.

”

    The Ryan plan is simply not and option.

    

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/why-rep-paul-ryans-budget-plan-is-so-flawed/2011/04/11/AFHLOpMD_story.html”

  14. freddy says:

    Obamacare could have been a lot better but the GOP took away the Public Option. The public option would have put insurance companies in check. Insurance would be a lot cheaper for everyone.

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