It appears that it is pretty much a case of “who is running the asylum”? Manning admits to releasing highly secure material to WikiLeaks. But has he really committed a serious offense by releasing information that shows other countries around the world just what our leaders are thinking? All he has done, really, is put our agenda out there for everyone to see.
Come on, Hasty… you cannot be excusing treason. He should be put to death promptly following his conviction if that is how the case ends up. No excuses. No tolerance. The reason this cannot happen is because his treason endangers the lives of countless other people. There is no moral basis for that. You know that, my friend.
Have a nice day!
“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm– but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” — T. S. Eliot
Yes, it is treason. The same act as outing a CIA operative.
You’re on crack again, Jimbo. Put down the pipe. Then again, we can certainly compare leaks of national security and abuse of power tit for tat can’t we. Bradley Mannings leak of hundreds of thousands of pages of top secret info is nothing compared to outing a non-active former CIA operative. Then again, we can say that’s sort of like………
Sort of like outing the entire SEAL Team 6 which then resulted in all of their deaths on a completely out of protocol unassisted mission.
Sort of like having a meeting with Hollywood producers revealing top secret mission information to people without ANY clearances.
Sort of like leaking private citizen tax information on Mitt Romney and his major donors during the election. And doing the same with private citizens conservative groups with illegal leaks to Pro Publica. Absolutely flat out illegal and abuse of power.
Sort of like using the IRS as a Gestapo to harrass political opponents and prevent them from organizing.
Sort of like gun running to Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria and then covering it up by lying about the aftermath resulting in the death of an Ambassador and 3 others.
Sort of like gun running to Mexican drug cartels resulting in hundreds of deaths.
Sort of like spying on the media to intimidate reporters and possible future whistleblowers against the corrupt Obozo regime. Using the Justice Department for harrassment is an impeachable offense.
Yeah, sort of like all that. Obozo’s actions make Nixon look like an amateur. Perhaps he should follow Manning to the greybar hotel. He deserves it.
“As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose–that it may violate property instead of protecting it–then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder.” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law
In your dreams, Bozo.
Sort of like the McCarthy witch hints of Communist sympathizers. Sort of like COINTELPRO that incited conflicts between insurgent groups and local police. Sort of like Iran/Contra that dumped tons of cocaine and weapons in African communities that jump started the crack epidemic. Sort of like ignoring CIA warnings of an imminent terrorist attack and causing 9-11. Sort of like inciting a country into war to look for the mastermind of the terrorist attack on 9-11, accusing an innocent nation of WMD’s and inciting a country into going to war to go after the WMD’s, and giving a no-bid contract to two military industrial complex contractors to rob a country of trillions of dollars. Sort of like starting the Patriot Act that wiretapped telephones, surveyed communications records and contacts of American citizens. Sort of like that?
It’s Retard Robbie, the sexual deviant. You’re sort of right about some things, but clouded on others. I should have known that you were a 9-11 Truther seeing crazy conspiracies everywhere. And you actually believe that the government was intentionally giving crack to only blacks? bwwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahah!! ROFLMAO…. maybe that’s where your crack habit started.
BTW…. your messiah Obozo has reauthorized that Patriot Act multiple times. And the NDAA which he as reauthorized is 10x worse.
Funny how you leftist freaks are so worried about warrantless phone taps ON FOREIGN CONVERSATIONS with suspected muzzie terrorists, yet you are seemingly OK with Obozo spying on the phone calls of 100 MILLION+ private American citizens (AT LEAST) that are Verizon customers. Don’t be shocked when you learn that it’s ALL carriers that are turning over ALL phone records.
On the issue of WMD…. I have proven over and over and over again that the “Saddam has WMD” issue was started in the Slick Willie years and was universally supported by ALL DemonRATS. It wasn’t Bush’s idea. It was Clinton’s. Sorry. Look it up. Or I can provide you pages of quotes by all of the key DemonRATS from the 1990’s on where they all claim Saddam had WMD. Too bad. You’ve bought the lies of the left.
All that being said, the fact is Retard Robbie that you and I actually have the same interests when it comes to civil liberties. Instead of us hating one another, we must admit that the government UNDER BOTH PARTIES has been chewing away at our liberties for decades. Just because one person of one party years ago did something does not make it right for a current person of another party to do the same, but just a little bit worse. You and I can argue and fight over lots of things, but the intrusion into our liberties we should be 100% in agreement. We should because an intrusion into YOUR civil liberties is an intrusion into MINE. For if I do not stand up for your liberties because I do not like you, who’s going to stand up for mine when I am attacked? When the political pendulum swings back to the right as it inevitably will, do you want the party in power using government to harrass and spy on leftist organizations? You see, the next push of the envelope will only be worse than the last one. It must stop ON ALL SIDES. And us Americans on all sides must come together on this issue because it threatens all of us, not just the other side.
“This Administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom.
“That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA court works. The separation of powers works. Our Constitution works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary.
“This Administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not.” – Barack Hussein Obozo, August 2007
No Bozo, I’m not worried about the NSA or our president (as if you think the president would actually listen to phone calls. You’re tons of fun, Bozo, like fluffy a Pillow Pet.) It’s not the government we need to be worrying about. Why do Americans pay so much taxes to their government, Bozo? Do you think we pay taxes as a favor to the government? If we give zillions of dollars to our government day in and day out, is it rational for us to distrust government? I would worry about search engines such as amazon, google, linkedin, yahoo, facebook, myspace, backpage, etc who sell the private information we trust to them to industries, corporations, blocs, polls, PAC’s, and plutocrats such as the Koch brothers who use that information to manipulate, maneuver, and control our lives, actions, what we buy, and what we do. I would worry about republicunt/neo-Confederate Tea Bags in government who represent these plutocrats and their lobbyists who would seek to legislate our morality and reduce us to subsistence slaves.
BTW, crack was created by a African agent operating from the Iran/Contra scandal in Saint Reagan’s administration. Meth, the white equivalent of crack, was created by a hillbilly to get around the criminality of crack. Both are amphetamines, one natural but chemically processed, the other entirely chemically processed. The closest similarity of them are, they are sure death or imprisonment. I’m proud to say I have associated with neither and never intend to. But you, my little pussy, are a meth head. I can tell. I can tell when you’re high and I can tell when you crash. But, let me give you a word of wisdom, and I know how allergic you are to it, but what you are trying to find in doing drugs, you have it in you all the while. Just be yourself. You’re not a clown. God made you beautiful in every way. You only make yourself ugly by denying yourself a chance to live happy and in peace with yourself and life. God only ask that you be the best you can be, to attain the highest quality of your humanity as you can. You can only do that by doing good deeds and being your brother’s keeper. That’s not so hard to do.
Retard Robbie… you’re dead wrong on who to trust. The fact is that while Google may be a powerful company, I can choose to use them or not. They cannot put me in jail. They cannot put a gun to my head and force me to use their products or services. Government alone has that power. And what should worry you as much as me is that laws survive beyond political careers… beyond party control… and the political pendulum swings both ways. You dont want the next guy who is opposite of your preferences to take the envelope that Obozo has pushed further than ever before, and then push it further but that time use it politically against YOU. This is my point. You can’t be so trusting in government. It’s patently UNAMERICAN to trust government, and our founders knew that. They knew that men in government were just as susceptible to the dangerous drug that is power as private citizens or businessmen are. But they also knew that private citizens cannot control and influence ALL the people like government can. And what we are seeing now that is so dangerous is the intertwinning of businesses like Google with the government. Google and the DemonRATS are very highly intertwined with one another, and Google hires former Obozo regime people and the Obozo regime hires Google people, AND they cooperate on the use of technology for political purposes. This is much more akin to fascism than we have ever seen in America. Note that Obozo and his antics are symptomatic of a system that naturally evolves as government gets too big and too entrenched in the private lives and businesses of the country. Because it is so big and powerful, of course businesses and wealthy people buy influence. It’s a natural consequence. The only way to end it is to end the massive intrusive power that the government has. You do understand this, don’t you?
Have a nice weekend, Robbie!
“The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin.” — Mark Twain
She was a glorified secretary who talked openly about working for the CIA.
Thank you for clarifying that. Then you would have no problem with the execution of Dick Cheney or Scooter Libby? For their revealing the identity of a covert agent, information that is, after all, an issue of national security. What they did was, by your own definition, an act of treason.
Yes and no: it would NOT be good for our government’s agenda to be “out there” for nations and groups who wish to harm us; but perhaps it IS good for parts of our government’s agenda likely to harm us unintentionally to be out there for discussion.
So in one sense this is like the Pentagon Papers, but in another it is like leaking the atomic bomb news and the first two planned targets to Japan in 1945. Surely, Private Manning is LEGALLY guilty IF he in fact committed those acts as charged, but he MAY be deserving of clemency if it is learned that he acted out of moral convictions and tried to separate the “Pentagon Papers” content from the “look out Hiroshima” content. There has been no evidence of such discrimination in the news so far, but the news does not have all the evidence that will come out in the trial. Of course, since the trial is about leaking classified information, such evidence probably will be classified, and no civilian lower ranking than Sec Def will see it.
I suspect that, the jury being military officers, the evidence of moral discrimination, if any, will be discounted in their minds, but there is the possibility that (ironically) he may benefit from the loophole that has allowed some rapists to go free: if his commanding officer feels kindly toward him (and I have no idea whether he does), the verdict could be set aside. However, either acquittal or CO commutation is extremely unlikely; POSSIBLY a Presidential commutation, but not a pardon.
And now…. The REAL Cartoon Of The Day!
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“Nowhere at present is there such a measureless loathing of their country by educated people as in America.” — Eric Hoffer
And also, someone like Dixon Diaz, obviously lacking in creativity, can make use of Charlie Brown and Linus and justify it by “excepting” Peanuts characters, to draw a nasty, hate-filled cartoon. Bradley Manning should go to jail. Dixon Diaz should go back to being whatever he was before . . . whatever that was . . . I hesitate to insult anyone who is doing honest work. I also find it interesting that you would quote someone who is apparently anti-intellectual. Anti-Intellectualism has long been a hallmark of conservatives.
Have a nice day, OMG! And for God’s sake, don’t let anyone know you’re actually an educated person. You could lose your conservative “creds.”
Metro… the vast majority of so-called or self-proclaimed intellectuals have rationalized themselves out of reality, out of common sense, and into a fantasy world that neither reflects reality or historical context and the great philosophers to come before them. Hence, this is why the vast majority of college professors are confused leftist freaks preaching an ideological agenda instead of educating. I know. My oldest just graduated University and his stories about them and their agenda are endless. Fortunately, he was smart enough NOT to allow their foolishness and fantasies to influence him. He’s a chip off the ol’ block.
Have a nice day, Metro!
“The lack of money is the root of all evil.” ― Mark Twain
However, I believe “The LOVE of money is the root of all evil” is the original quote, one that was twisted by Mark Twain.
Not that I totally disagree with him.
Good God! I almost caught myself agreeing with part of what you wrote again! Even if it was a quote from someone else.
The first quote was OK, Twain just improved it…. like so many things he said. He’s one of my favorites of all time. Maybe my favorite. I have a very old leather hardcover of The Works of Mark Twain on my nightstand. I look through it regularly, especially when I want to laugh before bed.
Have a nice evening, Jim!
“Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination.” ― Mark
I made the mistake of loaning out my “Complete Works of Mark Twain” and I never got it back. I also used to keep a copy of his book, “A Pen Warmed Up in Hell.” Same thing happened to that one. I guess that’s what happens when one tries to educate the unwashed masses. I guess the best I can hope for is that the person(s) who have them, read from them every night.
Why is it always the vast majority who disagree with you? Are you conceding that the vast majority make you take pause from time to time to consider their viewpoint before you label them as confused leftist freaks? The rule is “The majority rules.” All this phony hyperventilation going on with the Tea Party Republicans is going on for no other reason than they want to be the majority. Not satisfied with having the House, they want the Senate as well — and of course, the presidency. Then when they totally wreck the economy, the infrastructure and everything else, the Democrats will get back the power and they will have a heyday wrecking anything slightly positive that the Republicans did. And the country will continue it’s downward spiral. And all of us will stand in a circle, pointing our fingers at each other. The spirit of cooperation to bring about productive legislation has gone the way of the Hudson automobile (a fine car, by the way), gone and mostly forgotten except for a few of us old curmudgeons. And our government is trying mightily to send us the way of the Hudson as well. Interestingly enough, I believe Eric Hoffer probably had it right. He didn’t really trust either party and he was definitely against self-professed intellectuals. He adamantly refused the label for himself. I’m glad to hear your oldest just graduated university. I believe in education. But my question is, what was the value of a university education if one doesn’t believe in anything they learned? Just a thought.
Have a great day, OMG.
Hey Metro! I hope you and Mrs. Metro are doing well. In response to your post, I don’t find it surprising that the majority of people on The Memo disagree with me. Do you really expect something different? You know that I do not come here because I expect others to either agree with me or like me. That’s not my concern. I come on here BECAUSE it’s the opposition. I’d rather be on the field of the battle of ideas than on the sidelines chatting with people that think like I do. That’s a waste of time.
Another point of distinction for you is that we do NOT live in majority rule, per se. We live in a Representative Republic that is specifically designed to thwart the will of the majority and to keep government from encroaching on our God-given rights that are codified in our Bill of Rights. This is radically different than pure democracy/majority rule. Perfect example: What if a majority of people voted for reinstatement of slavery?
Regarding conservatives having the House and wanting the Senate and presidency? Duhhhhh…. of course they do. Just like the leftist freaks do. What do expect? This is politics. This is the ongoing, never ending battle between those who prefer tyranny on the left, and those who prefer freedom on the right. It’s been going on since the beginning of time. The only difference is that the VAST MAJORITY of humans who have walked on this earth have lived under tyranny. The USA was the first experiment that actually made the citizen sovereign and above the government, whose only role was to protect those God-given rights and provide for national defense. It was never set up to provide healthcare or housing or food or phones or any of the other myriad ways they intrude on our lives.
Now, you are witnessing our government spiraling out of control, abusing it’s powers against the citizens, growing into a self perpetuating monster devouring our earnings and our liberties with breathtaking speed. Don’t you get it, Metro? Really, do you not get this? This is the nature of big government. And this has been going on for far too long under BOTH parties. Each new administration takes the advances against liberty from the prior, and then they push the envelope a little further. Gradually shoving and nudging us until they can get us to accept their trampling of our rights like the sheep they want us to be. Can you image if the IRS abuse, spying on journalists, collecting the phone records of 100+ MILLION Americans, or any of these scandals of the day, happened 25 years ago? Do you think Americans by the millions would have marched on Washington, DC with torches and pitchforks? Of course they would have. Do you think the media would have just said ho-hum, nothing to see here? Of course they would not have. This is what I mean when I say they keep nudging and pushing the envelope of what is acceptable behavior by government.
Metro, you’ve been living in the past. You’ve been operating on the beliefs of old that the DemonRAT party is “for the working man”. As a union guy, that perception persists even today when the evidence against that is so strong. What’s happened is that your DemonRAT party has been taken over, hi-jacked, by radical, anti-American leftists who believe in the primacy of government and it’s ability to mold mankind into some future version of utopia that never will come. This is why you see DemonRATS being the ones that think they are so smart they can tell all of us what to do. Like what size soda’s we can drink, how much salt we can have on our food, what kind of healthcare plan you MUST have. Don’t get me wrong, they are both guilty, but Repubs are less intrusive. Many Republicans over the decades have had similar beliefs as progressive DemonRATS because they are progressive Republicans. Think of them as DemonRAT-Lite. The only real cure to this is to return to a Constitutional government and shrink the whole damned corrupt enterprise down to size where they no long have so much impact on our businesses and our lives. That’s the only answer. I think if you really consider, think and rationalize beyond knee-jerk, single stage, emotional thinking, what I am writing, you know that I am right. We already have the answer. We’ve just gotten away from it.
Have a nice weekend, Metro! Please send my regards to Mrs. Metro.
“The 10 Cannots” by William John Henry Boetcker (1873–1962)
* You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
* You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
* You cannot help little men by tearing down big men.
* You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage
* You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
* You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you
* You cannot build character and courage by destroying men’s
initiative and independence.
* And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them whatthey can and should do for themselves.
That’s a long reply. I need time to think it over before I respond. (I know, you are stunned that I might think before responding). Actually, on first reading, I believe some of your points agree with mine. But, I will re-read it, just to make sure.
Have a great day, OMG!
good luck to a real war hero…Bradley Manning I salute you
John is quite dishonest and obviously lacks integrity. He is an embarrassment to Americans everywhere and is obviously a coward. As a Vet, I cheer Bradley Manning for having the guts to be an honest soldier. Were there more like him there would be no war.
Mr. Obozo needs to get a brain. Since you obviously lack integrity and you’re afraid of your own shadow. It is obvious that you would condemn a brave and honest soldier. We need truth not propaganda. Without Bradley Manning we would all be scared little people like you.
You’re a vet????? You’re a disgrace. An American soldier releasing classified information is NOT honorable. It’s illegal. It’s treason. He could be jeopardizing the lives of who knows how many people. And real vet would know that. He should fry if convicted, like all traitors should. Like Obozo should.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero
Bradley Manning deserves the Nobel Peace medal for exposing US’ illegal war tactics, intentions, and procedures.
The traitor is the lawyer who wrote memos to Bush “legalizing torture”.
The traitor is the Bush regime who funneled massive amounts of cash into Cheney’s buddies. Who lost $10 billion in cash in Iraq.
The real traitors are the jingo “patriots” who support such lawlessness in a my country right or wrong rationalization.
Some of the opinions of some of the people here seem to think he should be acquitted because he showed the world what is going on in our military.
Some readers and commenters feel he should go free because he exposed certain things that he felt were unjust or outright criminal in nature.
My question is this. Does anyone actually think he read all the reports that he stole and distributed?
Maybe at first, but certainly, after a time, it is highly unlikely he would read every one of the reports he distributed.
Even if he did, he stole classified information and freely disseminated it openly.
Letting him off, if he is proven guilty, would set a precedent that would destroy the military. It would also be the end of our Nation, maybe not immediately, but in less time than most people would like to believe.
You are 100% correct, Jimbo! You see, we DO agree on some things.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell
Oh, God no! We actually agree on something?
I think I may be having a heart attack.
I’ve got the CPR, but we have to find someone else to do the mouth to mouth…. hehehehehehe LOL 🙂
If mouth to mouth is needed, and you cannot find a pretty nurse, look in my wallet for the DNR.
Consider your wishes fulfilled! 🙂
If a rattlesnake bit Bozo on the ass, she’ll just be one dead mother.
Mouth to mouth is no longer in the CPR regimen. They finally discovered that the act of compression and release of the chest pumps air into the lungs. Today, one person continues chest compression while another EMT might instill oxygen via tube if considered needed. Lifesaving methods are always undergoing change.
I am aware of that, Ralphie. It was a joke. 🙂
The lies used to justify the invasion of Iraq were despicable, but when it comes to unauthorized release of classified information that is irrelevant. It was not up to Pvt. Manning to decide whether or not his commander in chief and other national leaders were committing crimes against humanity, his role as a soldier and a man with a security clearance high enough to have access to classified information was to ensure that information was protected and remained secure. He not only released the information, he made sure it went to a media outlet known to release information to the world without enough scrutiny or care of how much damage it would cause. If the charges prove to be true, he should be found guilty and should spend the rest of his days in jail for treason.
I really should check to see if the Universal Code of Military (In)Justice has been upgraded. When I was in the military a defendant was issued a defense adviser who would be a low ranking officer NOT from the Judge Advocate’s Office (in other words, one with no legal training) whose job seemed to be to convince the defendant to plead guilty. The defendant could also hire a civilian lawyer to be present at the Kangaroo Court. A very interesting point of the Courts was that the high ranking officers on the board and the officer from the Judge Advocate’s Office were the only people allowed to ask questions. Any questions by the defense team had to be submitted to the officer who would considered the prosecuting attorney in civilian courts and that officer would be the one to ask the question (if he felt like it).
Integrity, Mr. Bozo you wouldn’t know what it was if it hit you in the face. I’m sure you would have followed the fascists in Germany during world war II. Murder another innocent soul. It doesn’t matter whether your superiors are right or not. Remember Nuremburg, ‘I was only following orders’. Because we join the military doesn’t mean we check our brains at the door. By the way using your logic we should still be subjects of England. Don’t rock the boat. Just let these things go on and don’t dump out that tea.. Some people are patriots and understand honor, I’m not sure you do. You’re so busy embarrassing our soldiers with your blind allegiance to what ever crime is committed. If there were less people like you and more like that brave Bradley Manning (who by the way risked his life and career to do the right thing. The world would be a better place.. By the way I can’t believe I risked my life in combat for someone like you. All you do is name call and run your mouth. You’re probably sitting back in your overstuffed chair condemning courageous people. I know all you want to do is bring America down. Its okay we will still protect you so that you can keep whining.