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Wednesday, October 26, 2016

Good-time Charlie Crist is back.

He wants to be Florida’s governor again, and polls show he would beat Rick Scott if the election were held today.

Big deal. Richie Incognito would beat Scott if the election were held today.

The polls don’t mean much because Scott, although one of the most unpopular governors ever, is about to spend $100 million to get re-elected. Anybody who thinks Florida voters won’t get fooled again has been dipping into the bath salts.

Despite a stumbling first term, Scott’s prospects for 2014 are much better than they were in 2010.

Back then he was a political newcomer with zero charisma, zero credentials for public office and a ton of money. Today he’s a sitting governor with zero charisma, zero credentials for public office and even more money.

During the last campaign, Scott spent about $75 million of his own dough, having made a fortune presiding over a health care conglomerate that perpetrated one of the largest Medicare frauds since the beginning of Medicare.

In a sane and sensible place, that’s a résumé that would kill a person’s chances for high office. But not in Florida, the eternal land of suckers.

This time around, Scott will have the full backing of the Republican establishment, which basically shunned him in 2010, and a richer war chest for attacking Charlie Crist.

And Charlie definitely has weak spots.

He is relentlessly likeable, and oddly, that’s part of the problem. Crist so avidly wants to be liked by every human soul that his core policy beliefs are difficult to define.

This isn’t an uncommon trait in politicians, but during contentious and divided times voters yearn for candidates with a clear identity. For better or worse, Scott has made his priorities well known — the business community comes first, and everybody else is a distant second.

Crist has been criticized for being too politically ambitious — again, not a rare quirk among candidates. However, a case could be made that his impulsive ambitions changed the course of Florida, and not for the better.

The fact is, he made Rick Scott possible.

After one term as governor, Crist left Tallahassee to run for the U.S. Senate in 2010. Back then the economy in Florida was gasping, as it was nationwide, and Crist looked like he was walking away from a hard job at the worst time just to elevate his career.

His departure opened the door for Scott, who rolled to the governor’s mansion on a Tea Party upswell and an advertising blitz financed by his staggering personal bankroll.

  • Correction: Before, Scott had zero charisma, zero credentials for public office, a ton of money, and no record. Today he has zero charisma, zero credentials for public office, even more money, and an extensive history of attempted voter suppression.

    To get a good idea of what 2014 will be like, look at what happened in 2012. People, particularly those in large Democratic communities, were determined to vote, and Scott was determined to make sure they wouldn’t. Yet in spite of having to wait hours upon hours in line to vote, they ultimately did tough it out enough to give Florida to Obama.

    Yet, had Scott not been so dedicated to depriving them of their rights to vote, a lot of them probably would have had no interest and not voted to begin with, much as they did in 2010.

    Before, Rick Scott was comically inept but a complete unknown. Today, he’s a serial oppressor, and no amount of money in the world will help him definitively compensate for the fact that half of Florida wants him out of office more than anything.

    There really is no way out for him at this point, as his only truly clear path to victory is, once again, to attempt massive voter suppression. But thanks to his past history of such, the Florida election is going to be one of the closest watched elections in the country, and anyone who thinks a Rick Scott victory won’t be challenged has also been dipping into the bath salts.

    • Germansmith

      Define “oppression”
      What voter suppression?? Really??. Voting lists were being updated (in a very incompetent manner I would agree) but affected as many Republicans as it did Democrats. This is necessary in any state, but specially most important in an state with large immigration and large number of elderly dying all the time.
      Scott is NOT forcing us to buy anything, or do anything like the Big Brother does
      He is NOT a good Governor, he may be ethically challenge and very pro business, but “oppressor”, that is an hyperbole and a word I save for Castro or Kim Um or Chavez.

      • Republicans and Democrats equally, huh? Sure, right. All that in spite of most of the voters being targeted for purging being black or Hispanic, and also in spite of early voting being denied to Miami-Dade but not to any of Florida’s nursing home or meth-addled swamp people communities.

        There’s no debate whether or not Rick Scott tried to deny voting rights to his political opponents. It just looks that way sometimes because the Tea Parties bloody love him for it.

  • Dominick Vila

    Charlie Christ is the best thing that could have happened to Rick Scott. Republicans hate Charlie, Democrats don’t trust him, and I doubt there are enough Independents in Florida to send him to Tallahassee. The sad truth is that a man who should be serving time in jail, and whose record as Governor includes unequivocal support of the Stand Your Ground law, overt attempts at voter suppression, and attacks against our public education system, is likely to be re-elected. If he is re-elected it will not be because of charisma or a positive record, but because of a huge war chest, that includes $70 million of his own fortune, and the fact that no viable alternative is available. If Scott is re-elected, you can count on pregnant and/or hanging chads in 2016. Pathetic!

    • Germansmith

      Scott has many faults. His support of Stand Your Ground is NOT one of them.
      If anybody bring Trayvon up AGAIN, I like to remind them that it was not a case for Stand Your Ground , it was proven his shooting was self defense.

      • stcroixcarp

        Careful now! Don’t get trigger happy, you could shoot your foot off.

        • Germansmith

          Thank you. Of course not
          Who do you think I am ? A clumsy wimpy lefty Democrat.
          I have been using military firearms since age 13, the training courtesy of Castro.

          • jnap

            And that makes you what, superior or just armed?
            Oh I get it you think you are superior because you are armed. Is that it? Zimmerman thought he was superior and a teenager is dead. That made him a killer which I certainly wouldn’t call superior.
            Zimmerman will kill himself one day soon or the next person he points a gun at will fire first.
            The sooner Zimmerman is gone the better.

          • Germansmith

            Please do not forget to take your meds, you get cranky when you do not take them
            Being armed does not makes me superior, just not a victim.
            and I honestly do not really care what happen to or what is your opinion of George

          • jnap

            You think it doesn’t make you a victim because you have faith in guns and think they are your salvation. I’ll bet you have one on an alter and worship it everyday.
            I hope you never pull that thing out because you are far more likely to kill an innocent person than anyone threatening you. It has been proven many times that even police that are highly trained with guns do not react very well in a gunfire situation.
            We have proof of that right here in Florida when 20 cops fired over a hundred rounds trying to stop an unarmed man in a truck. Their bullets penetrated apartments building and were whizzing all around the area. It was a miracle someone innocent wasn’t killed.
            We also had an undercover cop that was trying to stop underage kids from drinking at a football game pull his gun out when the kids told him to go to hel^. Another cop saw him with his gun out and didn’t know he was undercover and shot and killed him. Think about it, how would a cop know who is the good guy and who is the bad if everyone is armed and ready to fire?

          • Germansmith

            A gun, a machete, a knife, a craw bar are tools and I do not go around sanctifying any tools OR stupid incompetent presidents like you guys do…..and I can GUARANTEE that I have never shoot at any person that was not shooting at me first and then only reluctantly
            What does SYG have to do with psychotic unionized cops killing civilians? You do realize that even if weeping bleeding liberals ever manage to turn back SYG, cops will still be carrying guns and the desire to use them on somebody?
            A cop pulling a gun on some unruly drinking kids a GOOD GUY? well, I am glad he got shot.
            SYG is here because cops are not always around when you need them and criminals are not really concerned about your desires to keep gun usage to a minimum….

          • jnap

            You stand you ground and I will stand my ground so I guess the person the fires first wins. right?
            Never mind the fact that the whole situation could have been avoided if people weren’t armed and looking for a gun fight. Take your gun and stick it where the sun don’t shine and pray you don’t try to use it sometime and kill an innocent person.
            Sometimes I think you gun totting asswho^s are just waiting for a chance to prove you have a bigger “gun”.
            Did you ever think that the other guy might just be a little quicker on the draw?
            Too bad Treyvon Martin wasn’t armed. maybe he would have shot and killed that murdered Zimmerman.

      • Dominick Vila

        There is no point debating the murder of Trayvon Martin any further, we did that extensively in this forum. However, the reason SYG was not brought up during the Zimmerman trial was not because it was not applicable to that case, but because that would have justified Trayvon’s decision to stand his ground and defend himself.
        SYG is a license to kill, and it is being used with impunity by those whose “values”, prejudices and motivations should be confined to the annals of history.

        • Germansmith

          You are aware that statically, most of the black folks that have been killed in Florida where SYG law has been involved , have been killed by other black folks?
          I would probably bet that most people shoot have been disarmed.
          The genie is out of the bottle. There are millions of guns out there and a great percentage of them in the hand of gangbangers and criminals and not about to turn them over.
          SYG is a law that allows a person to defend his life and property with deadly force without fear of prosecution and is needed.
          So it is sometimes used by gangbangers and drug dealers to kill other gangbangers and drug dealers?…I can live with that

          • Dominick Vila

            Yes, I am very much aware of the fact that most of the African Americans and Latinos killed in the USA are murdered by fellow Americans and Latinos, and that at least some are gang members.
            Regarding SYG – I am convinced that it serves as an excuse for those determined to punish people they don’t like. SYG legitimizes and exacerbates the climate of extreme violence that exists throughout the USA.
            The topic that was being debated, however, was the killing of an unarmed African American teenager by an armed vigilante.
            You are not going to get an argument from me on the issue of too many guns in America. That is why I support the expansion of Reagan’s gun control act, to include sales at gun shows and via the Internet.

  • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

    Part of the problem with the Republican Party is they have never really been “for” anything, but made a history of being “against” things.
    1850s – they were against Slavery
    1860s – they were against the Confederacy (ironic now that the their greatest strength is in the old Confederacy)
    1870s to 1880s – they were against agrarian interests
    1880s – they were (briefly) against big trusts and cartels
    1890s – they were against Spanish imperialism in the Western Hemisphere (?)
    1910s – they were against intervention in The Great War
    1920s – they were against bolstering the economy by tightening banking and finance regulations (sound familiar?)

    1930s – they were against economic recovery programs proposed by FDR
    Late 1930s – they were against intervention in the war in Europe.
    Early 1940s – they sorta vanished
    Late 1940s – they were against anything Harry Truman proposed
    1950s – they were against what they saw as Communists involved in all aspects of the United States Government, and were against our involvement in Korea fighting against Communists.
    1960s – they were against our getting more involved in fighting against Communists in Vietnam, and were against just about everything proposed by Kennedy and LBJ
    1970s – they started shifting policies by bringing in former Southern Democrats and started to be against programs they favored previously.
    1980s – they were against Democratic Opposition to Reagan’s proposals, even though they had no counters.
    1990s – they were against anyone named Clinton, and anything they proposed

    2000s – they were against any hint of solidarity in their own party
    2010s – they are against anything associated with Obama, but have no alternative proposals.

    • Lovefacts

      I agree with most of what you’ve said, except for:
      1. The Republican’s opposition to slavery is one of the few things where they were 100% in their position. That was and still is a stain on this country’s soul. To this day, it haunts and impacts much of what happens politically, educationally, and throughout society.
      2. In the 1960s they were right to have been against entering the VN war–however, they changed their tune upon Nixon’s election. FWIW: My father was head of the Unconventional Warfare Division of CINCPAC, and he and his fellow officers were also against entering the VN war. It was strictly a political war, based upon the false domino theory.
      3. In the 2000s, the Republics were against “DIS”unity in their party. That’s when the Hastert Rule was enacted, more’s the pity.

  • FT66

    Unfotunately , the headline of this article: “Charlie Crist is Back, But He Doesn’t Deserve A Free Pass” is totally misleading. For us who read the headlines first, it is easy to ignore reading the full article. If you go further , you come across another headline: “Obamacare Penalized By Flawed Reporting in The New York Times”, then you ask yourself should I waste my time reading these negative articles?
    Fortunately, I took the trouble to read the article about Charlie Crist. By reading the headline first, I thought he did something very peculiar. Contrary to what is written in the article explains the opposite. Was it a major offense for him to hug the President? Or decide to leave the governship and compete to become a Senator? Or he shouldn’t get a free pass because Scott has more money than he does? Will the writers please, put their headlines in such a way they guide us to read what they have written and not scare us away.

  • nana4gj

    So, although I cannot make the decisions with a vote, being questionably able to vote in Texas from one election to the next, much less vote in Florida where I do not reside, I would prefer the flaws of Chris to the flaws of Scott.

    Florida was a mess before Scott and it remains a mess with him. They didn’t need the Tea Party to be kooky and now they are even kookier because Republicans first priority is satisfying the TP. The legal system in Fla is a zoo, even worse than Texas.

    It has been made clear to me that Republican Governance in the states is second only to Republican governance in DC and that is very dicey, kooky, and ill-fated.

    Crist actually has some good qualities to balance his “flaws”. Scott is a thief.

    • stcroixcarp

      Florida has a lot of people just like Rick Scott, including real estate developers, ambulance chasing lawyers, financial swindle schemes. It is a place of loose morals where money is concerned.

  • ObozoMustGo

    Good stuff here….

    Canadian’s Version of David Letterman’s Top 10

    This is what other countries think of us; in this case, Canada.

    TOP-10 “Only In America ” Observations

    10) Only in America…**could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000.00 a plate campaign fund-raising event.

    9) Only in America…**could people claim that the government still discriminates against black Americans when they have a black President, a black Attorney General, and roughly 18% of the federal workforce is black while only 12% of the population is black.

    8) Only in America…**could they have had the two people most responsible for our tax code, Timothy Geithner (the head of the Treasury Department) and Charles Rangel (who once ran the Ways and Means Committee), BOTH turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

    7) Only in America…**can they have terrorists kill people in the name of Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims might be harmed by the backlash.

    6) Only in America…**would they make people who want to legally become American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege, while they discuss letting anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just ‘magically’ become American citizens.

    5) Only in America…**could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country’s Constitution be thought of as “extremists.”

    4) Only in America…**could you need to present a driver’s license to cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

    3) Only in America…**could people demand the government investigate whether oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas went up when the return on equity invested in a major U.S. oil company ( Marathon Oil) is less than half of a company making tennis shoes (Nike).

    2) Only in America…**could the government collect more tax dollars from the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a Trillion dollars more than it has per year – for total spending of $7-Million PER MINUTE, and complain that it doesn’t have nearly enough money.

    and number one……..

    1)Only in America…could the rich people – who pay 86% of all income taxes- be accused of not paying their “fair share” by people who don’t pay any income taxes at all.

    Have a nice day!

    • yeehaw

      @Mustgo….Go back and play in your sandbox, grownups are talking!!!!!

    • Landsende

      Hi Bozo
      You forgot to add only in America could a President that lied about weapons of mass destruction as justification to get us into a war that killed thousands and severely injured even more and destroyed our economy not be impeached but a President that lied about getting a blow job does.

      Have a nice day!

      • Mikey7a

        Small correction Landsende…that was TWO unpaid Wars. Carry on!

      • ObozoMustGo

        Land… do I have to correct you again on this issue of Iraq’s WMD and DemonRAT support for it LONG BEFORE BUSH showed up? If you want the facts, let me know. I have a long list of quotes from Slick Willie and his cronies during his regime to prove it. You all on the left just seem to forget about those little things.

        Correction. Slick Willie was impeached for LYING IN A COURT OF LAW ABOUT SEXUAL HARRASSMENT CASES AGAINST HIM, AND FOR SUBORNING PERJURY OF OTHER WITNESSES. Anyone else would have been thrown in jail like a criminal should. His LIES to the American people about his sexual exploits with an intern were not a crime. Those lies about Monica did, however, lend substance and proof to the sexual harrassment cases brought against him by former employees of his. I think you are female, Land. How can you support a man that takes advantage of women that work for him is beyond comprehension.

        Have a nice day!

        “Fathom the hypocrisy of a political party that has a convention focused on abortion, contraception, and so-called women’s rights, AND has as their big speaker and hero an admitted sexual harasser and accused rapist who was impeached for lying in a court of law about it.” – ObozoMustGo

        • jnap

          If lying was a crime you would get the death penalty.

    • guest

      Let me detail each of those items for you Bozo – but first I’m in serious doubt, especially due to the inconsistencies in the grammar that this was from someone in Canada – I think you made this shit up yourself…

      10 – Not too sure about what this one was about – it’s the greedy RICH that pays for those dinners – and I hope you are not contending that ONLY Obama and democrats have those dinners – I believe it was during one of those dinners that Romney stated that 47% of America was lazy, uncaring, and no-goods which he didn’t care about one bit. Hmmm.

      9- The white rich southern republicans are racists – and it doesn’t matter if they are government politicians or not – in fact many are not – so this statement doesn’t make much sense anyway. But if you remember right, the white rich republicans decided even before Obama was sworn in they were going to obstruct everything he does or tries to do and they promised to make him a one term president. Not sure if this had to do with race directly, but sure appears like it to me – it didn’t have anything to do with his policies or laws, as he hadn’t created any yet.

      8- This one has an actual point – I’ll leave it alone.

      7- Funny, this one, it wreaks of racism. You cannot blame a whole nation of people on the actions of a few – if you believe this is ok – then you obviously shouldn’t be upset that we are targeting all GOP supporters as the same kind of idiots that some of them are. Unfortunately in some cases that shoe fits – perfectly.

      6 – I think you’re completely messed up on this one. First there are many foreigners here (not in their home countries) waiting for citizenship. And as far as the illegal ones go – the only ones that anyone has talked about giving them a “free pass” are the ones who were either born here – OR the ones that were dragged here as very small children by their illegal parents. So, you are in favor of punishing the kids for something their parents did? How about if we apply this across the board to all parents – legal or illegal. Let’s see how that one goes over. Also, those who should stay MUST have a clean criminal record – AND – be either in college majoring in some kind of technology field – and/or working in a tech field. I’m not sure what the argument is with this? God only knows, there are fewer and fewer actual Americans who are going to college to make something real out of themselves.

      5 – It seems that the budget was not only balanced but contained a surplus at one time – not too many years ago – and we didn’t take food away from kids, take education away from kids, take tax deductions away from the poor, or eliminate the traditional social security and medicare to do it! Of course, the President that did that was attempted to be impeached. That’s the thanks he got for doing a great job. And the next one destroyed everything he accomplished.

      4 – Strange you should mention this one – you SHOULD have to present an ID to buy alcohol – it’s illegal to buy without one. As for voting – each person has always had to register to vote and were sent a voters registration card – why is it that we need something different? The gun loving republicans keep saying we don’t need new laws – just enforce the ones we have and everything will be great. So, why new voting laws – can’t we just enforce the ones we have? EVeryone who votes should be showing their voter id cards – they should not be required to go out and pay for yet another ID to vote with. And supposedly that was being done to prevent voter fraud – which doesn’t even exist – of course there are a few cases and the last presidential election – it was committed by mostly republicans – surprise!

      3 – The problem with this is that the tax payers are paying the tennis shoe company every year to make tennis shoes – we ARE paying the oil companies to make gas that they then gouge us at the pumps for. Many oil companies not only did NOT pay any TAX, but actually got refunds in the millions – how can we think it is ok to take away food stamps from the military families and the poor – and WIC from the infants while we are giving hand outs to the oil companies who refuse to pay taxes due to loopholes that the republicans (mostly involved directly or indirectly with the oil companies) refuse to close up. THIS is why the taxes are not fair. What is wrong with a flat tax for everyone including the corporations (whom the republicans want us to believe are people).

      2 – This is because we are paying for debt that has accumulated over centuries of unbalanced budgets (deficits). And it isn’t for one President to be blamed for. In fact, it was mostly republican presidents that are to blame for a lot of the debt. The democratic presidents are the blame for reducing the deficits as Obama has done every year he has been in office. And Clinton (you remember him the one that got a BJ) not only reduced the deficits – he eliminated them all together! But do we want another Clinton int he WH? Hell no – the GOP says – and don’t tell me it doesn’t have anything to do with her being a female. It has a lot to do with this.

      1 – Everyone who is working pays income tax – sorry, but it’s a fact. The rich are not paying their fair share or we wouldn’t have the issues we have right now – the rich that pays taxes are paying a larger percentage of the taxes collected – yes, that is because they make more money – come on – any monkey can figure that out – but it’s the rich (corporations) that do not pay taxes and then get refunds from the taxes paid by the rest of society that is hurting this country. Let’s just say that 86% of the taxes collected are from the rich – how does that matter at all – if 50% of that money is returned to the rich corporations as a refund and they don’t pay any taxes at all on billions in profits? No, I dont’ call this fair at all. Believe what you want but it still isn’t fair – I would be willing to pay a flat tax and not get a refund every year if the rich would be required to do the same – but they will never do this because the rich will always protect the rich.

      • ObozoMustGo

        You would agree to a flat tax? Perhaps there is hope for you, guest!
        And no, I did not write it.

        • jnap

          Nope, a flat tax is a bad idea.

      • jnap

        As for number 8, congress makes the tax laws and the IRS enforces them. got it?

    • jnap

      Only in America can you post crap, get paid for it and spread hate and discontent as your occupation. Oh, I forgot, there is a proud group of people that do that every day with their leader being Rush Limbaugh. How does it feel to be lead by a fat pig? Do you wash your hands after posting crap of do you smell them?

      • Germansmith

        Like it or not
        Is true, live with it

        • jnap

          I have no problems with how people make a living just as long as they disclose it when posting on a message board.The reason is simple, they are not posting their opinions but instead are posting those of the people that pay them

  • Germansmith

    We end up with Scott because the Democrats had a candidate that could not campaign herself out of a paper bag. Scot has more dirty laundry that his hospitals laundry rooms.
    Scott is a disgrace, but If Carl does not like Crist (and I am not fond of him either, he is a political weasel), who is he suggesting run for the Democrats in Florida for Governor?.

    • jnap

      Alex Sink should have Governor. She has more integrity in her pinky than Scott ever had in his whole body. Scoot should be in Leavenworth not the governor’s mansion.

  • howa4x

    Scott turned down one time federal money to make the water supply in the everglades sustainable. It was around 800 million that will never come again. He also let go the brightest minds in the government and for a long time his reign was floundering. Crist is no angel. He single handedly got Marco Rubio elected when polls showed Meeks was ahead. The only good part of the story is that there were more votes cast against Rubio than for him, so he is a made up presidential contender created by the media. Scott is like the Koch bros who put up hundreds of millions to beat Obama and that shows that money doesn’t replace ideas. Scott like every other tea party governor is underwater, showing political ideology is no way to run a state. At least Crist was pragmatic.

    • Germansmith

      Meeks was only going to win in Fantasy Island.
      Rubio won with 49% of the vote against Meek 20%
      Time to face the facts bucko….I do not see any pure Democrat in Florida beating Scott and much less Rubio.
      The only reason Obama won Florida in the last election was because nobody could stomach Romney . Any other half decent candidate we would not be suffering Obama any longer
      Learn to love Crist or it will be another 4 of Scott

      • howa4x

        I seem to remember a 3 way race between Crist, Meeks and Rubio. so if Rubio got 49% that means that 51% was cast against him

        • Germansmith

          Remember Crist was a Republican, he took most votes from Rubio than he did from Meeks
          Without Crist, Rubio would have won with a landslide majority against Meeks. Green would have been a better candidate than Meeks, but black Democrats maybe thought otherwise in the primary.

  • Defend Liberty

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  • Chumba Wumba

    The liberty school realizes that those quacks who exploit democratic processes for their own purposes may destroy liberty and prosperity.

  • Liberalism is Nonsense

    Since it is impossible to advance without learning from trials, errors, mistakes, and accidents, civilization’s technological advance depends upon those who are willing, able, and free to blaze trails for the rest of us.

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    If we had to wait until things could be made available for everyone, even the relative comfort of today’s poor could have never happened.