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Thursday, October 27, 2016

The Senate has voted 68-31 to open a debate on compromise gun legislation that expands background checks. The bill will be based on a compromise between senators Pat Toomey (R-PA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV), both of whom currently have an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA) gun lobby.

The NRA threatened to “score” Thursday’s vote against lawmakers’ ratings, hoping to kill the bill before it was even written. But 17 Republicans joined all the Democrats in the Senate except Mark Pryor (D-AR) and Mark Begich (D-AK) for cloture to prevent a filibuster from derailing the debate. The Washington Post‘s Ed O’Keefe points out that 21 of the “aye” votes came from senators with NRA ratings A- or higher.

Several family members of those killed in the Newtown massacre four months ago were on hand to witness the vote in the Senate chamber.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (R-NV) took to the floor after the vote.

“The hard work starts now,” he said.

“There are powerful feelings about each of these proposals — both strong support and strong opposition,” Reid said. “But whichever side you are on, we ought to be able to agree to engage in a thoughtful debate about these measures.”

He added that he hopes “a few senators don’t spoil everything,” referencing the threat by 14 senators including Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Rand Paul (R-KY) to filibuster the bill.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is one of those senators. On Thursday he said, “This bill is a clear overreach that will predominantly punish and harass our neighbors, friends, and family.”

The debate is expected to last for weeks, with the NRA continuing to score even procedural votes.

Though about one-third of the Senate voted against even having a debate, polls show that around 90 percent of Americans support expanding background checks.

“Those two leaders stepping up is a very good way to start,” said Mary Landrieu (D-LA), who is seeking re-election next year in red state Louisiana. “How it ends, I don’t know.”

This morning, Congressman Peter King (R-NY) told The Washington Post‘s Greg Sargent that he thought the bill had a chance of passing the House of Representatives if it makes it out of the Senate.

 AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite

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  • CPAinNewYork

    Don’t bet on it. Money still talks in Washington.

    • DurdyDawg

      Too true.. I get tired of hearing idiots determine success according to who has the most money.. The pubs did just this in 2012 and it came back to bite them on the ass yet it’s still considered the determining factor in political circles and we’re constantly reminded of it through internet donation pleas and media propaganda.. And where do the politicians receive the bulk of this ammunition?

  • So, the NRA is OK with threatening our duly elected representatives in Congress?? REALLY? Is that not treason?

    • stcroixcarp

      The NRA also wrongly uses the second amendment, claiming that citizens have a right to use guns to protect from government tyranny. The second (read it) says that the “People” have a right to keep and bear arms to protect the free state using a well regulated militia. Yes the NRA is a treasonous organization!

      • Independent1

        The Supreme Court took up the 2nd Amendment question on Militias back in 2008 and ruled that citizens (outside of a miliia) have a right to bear arms for their own self defense but it also ruled in a way that makes everything that the presidential committee is pressing for with respect to gun control: banning assault weapons, banning clips that hold more than 10 bullets and universal background checks are all gun ownership and use restrictions that are supported by the Constitution. Here’s the 2008 rulling from SCOTUS:

        In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment “codified a pre-existing right” and that it
        “protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with
        service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes,
        such as self-defense within the home”[9][10] but also stated that “the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”. They also clarified that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court are consistent with the Second Amendment.[11]

      • Your interpretations of the 2nd amendment are very telling . it perfectly displays the ignorance of the left . Every Constitutional Scholar will tell you that the wording of the 2nd amendment was to ensure the citizenry freedom of oppression from a tyrannical Govt . That is why we fought the Revolutionary war and the reason we have is to ensure we don’t have to fight tyranny again . It looks like that will happen . Your ignorance of the issue and most on the lefts ignorance is very telling as to why you all vote the way you do . Read the Constituion and the Federalist papers that explain their purpose .

        • Independent1

          Yes, there was a faction (a group involved in creating the Constituion) at the time Madison wrote the 2nd Amendment that were paranoid about the federal government usurping its power, but you cannot say with total assurance that his reasoning for wording the 2nd amendment the way he did was because Madison himself was concerned about the federal government usurping the powers of the states; because in the last paragraph of Federalist Paper 46 he pokes fun at this group of paranoids by saying that, their fears of the federal govenment at some point overthrowing state governments are based on their own wild imagination. (It’s in fact quite likely that when Madison wrote the 2nd Amendment that his true intent was to ensure that there would always be enough well armed men to stave off not only attacks from foreign countries (there was no federal standing army) and if needed, to allow individual citizens to protect themselves from attacks by mauraders (bandits, indians, etc.)
          If you doubt what I’m saying, here’s the last paragraph in Federalist Paper 46 published in 1788:

          “Summing up the considerations stated in this and the last paper, they seem to amount to the most convincing evidence, that the powers proposed to be lodged in the federal government are as little formidable to those reserved to the individual States, as they are indispensably necessary to accomplish the purposes of the Union; and that all those alarms which have been sounded, of a meditated and consequential annihilation of the State governments, must, on the most favorable interpretation, be ascribed to the chimerical fears of the authors of them.”
          Notice he says” That the powers proposed to be lodged in the federal government are as little formidable to those reserved in the individual states (the power the Feds will have is really not a big threat to the states (little formidable))…and he ends with “and all those alarms which have been sounded, of meditated and consequential annihilation of the state governments, must, on the favorable interepretation, be ascribed to the “chimerical fears” of the authors of them.” The only way to interpret the fears being expressed by the faction of paranoids, is to assume that they are an absurd creation of their imagination. (Definition of chimera: an absurd creation of the imagination;a foolish or horrible fancy.)

          • neeceoooo

            I always like what you have to say.

          • Independent1

            Thanks! I appreciate that. I think there are a lot of posters on The National Memo who really try to help each other to better understand what we’re all up against these days with so many critical issues these days that are affecting our lives. I do hope that some of the research I do does add something to other posters’ understanding of these varied issues that sometimes are not easy to understand.

        • neeceoooo

          I think your problem is that you hear only what you want to hear as long as it fits into your agenda.

          • I hear and see the truth . You hear and see what you are programmed to . It works like a Sith mind trick …there are always two ..a Master and an Apprentice …Georgo Soros as the master and Obama his apprentice

          • BDC_57

            you wouldn’t know what the truth is if it came up behind you bit you in the ass

          • Independent1

            You sure have that right!

          • Independent1

            Mike, my hunch is you’re talking about getting the “truth” from Fox News, well if you do a search on News Least Trusted, you’ll find that Fox News tops the list of least trusted news outlets (more people disbelieve what Fox News broadcasts than believe it: 41% believe, 46% say they don’t).

            Then there’s this study that shows that of all the news outlets, the people who watch Fox news are the least informed: in fact, people who listen to Fox news are less informed, than people who don’t even watch a news program. Here’s an excerpt from the Huffington Post article on that study:

            Another study has concluded that people who only watch Fox News are less informed than all other news consumers.

            Researchers at Fairleigh Dickinson University updated a study they had conducted in late 2011. That study only sampled respondents from New Jersey, where the university is located. This time, the researchers conducted a nationwide poll.

            The poll asked questions about international news (Iran, Egypt, Syria and Greece were included) and domestic affairs (Republican primaries, Congress, unemployment and the Keystone XL pipeline.)

            The pollsters found that people were usually able to answer 1.8 out of 4 questions on foreign news, and 1.6 of 5 questions on domestic news, and that people who don’t watch any news were able to get 1.22 of the questions on domestic policy right.

            As the study explained, though, people who watched only Fox News fared worse: all else being equal, someone who watched only Fox News would be expected to answer just 1.04 domestic questions correctly — a figure which is significantly worse than if they had reported watching no media at all.

    • Well The Reason Why These People Not Filibustering This Is Cause They Had To Look At The Parents Of Those Babies Right Out Side Their Offices!!! If Those Parent Weren’t There This Would Never Gotten This Far!!! SHAME ON AMERICA!!!

      • No , the reason they didn’t filibuster is because enough Republicans sided with the Dems and they then had a filibuster proof majority . Do you know nothing of the rules of the Senate ? This explains a lot , but everytime you open your mouth you do that . You perfectly display the intelligence level and cult like devotion of the Communist Party

        • Baaa Baaaa Baaa TROLL Bbaaaaa BBaaaaaa Bbaaaa Stuck On Stupid Troll!! Baaa Baaa Baaa Baaa STFU!!!

          • MrStoneheep

            Yes, Fern. You’ve proven the point of the Right. Disagree with a liberal and you’ll be blasted and told to STFU. Nice speak!! Not!!!!! What a moron! A troll? Is this site only available to those that want to be part of
            the far left? What of us that are center left, or those that are venter right? Do their opinions mean nothing? Mr Stoll gave a very accurate summation of the Heller opinion of the SCOTUS whether you like it or not.

          • Fuck You And Micky Mouse Both Of You Bitch Ass Thugs Can Stop Talking To Me TROLLS!!!

          • you are such an idiot you dont even want to hearte truth, you get mad when your ignorance is shown to you..baaabbbaaaa is all you know

          • La Bitch Fuck You Too You Ignorant Ass Kissing Whore!!

          • So you think because you got more likes from liberals on a liberal site that that means anything . You really are Liberal grade stupid aren’t you

          • Show How Ignorant You Are I DON’T Want Your Nasty Ass But Yet Every Time You Come Here To You Start Talking To Me ??? Why I Asked You So Many Time Not To Talk To Me Now Who’s Ignorant And An Idiot YOU Stuck On Stupid Dumb Ass Bitch i Don’t Want You Michael Nor Do I Want To Ride My Bike With You Nor Do I Ever Want To Talk To You GET IT THRU YOUR DUMB ASS HEAD!!! BITCH!! NO MEANS NO!!!! NOBODY LIKE YOU HERE BUT YOUR PUSSY ASS FELLOW TROLLS!! WHY ARE ANY OF YOU ASSHOLES HER???? GO Be With Your Own Dumb Ass Stuck On Stupid Kind!!!! Bye Bye Asshole!!!

          • Who asked you to go riding ? There is no way in Hell you could hang and I don’t ride with drag queens .

          • YOU You Lying Rat Bastard!!! LOL You Tried Your Bet to Get With Me LMAO!! I Turn Your Pussy Ass Down!!! LOL

          • neeceoooo

            and you think that name calling will help the situation?

          • She is proof that liberal is synonymous with brainwashed fool

          • LOL You Tried To Get With Me Asshole And I Turned Your Nasty Ass Down!!! LMAO!!! It’s All In The Back Posting Of national Memo!!! LOL Whining Little Bitch!! I Don’t Want YOU!!! Cause You’re Nothing But A Pussy!!! LMAO!!!

          • Fern I would NEVER want to get with a dumb girl , or want to get with a Drag Queen K …I date girls that have looks and brains . To meet that criteria most of them , by default , have to be Conservatives (with a couple of stray Liberals chicks with open minds sprinkled in ) . You don’t fit ANY category ANY MAN would find attractive . Sorry …Try hanging out at Berlin . If you live in Chicago as you claim then you should already know about it .

          • LYING BITCH!!! It’s In The Back Issues of The National Memo!! LIAR!! Plus Your Broke Ass Still Living In Chicago But You Said You Hate It Here MOVE BITCH!!! NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE EITHER!! YOU CAN'”T CAUSE YOUR ASS IS BROKE!!!! LMAO!!! GET A JOB AND MOVE!!! LOL

          • YOUR MOTHER IS A TOOTHLESS DRAG QUEEN She Should Have Gave Your Toothless Father Some Head That Night Your Lying Ass Was Made!! And Spit Your Ugly Ass On The Ground And Step On You!!! Stuck On Stupid Lying BITCH!!!

          • Berlin Where All The Good Little Nazis Go!! LOL I Don’t Hang!! No Self Respecting Woman In Her Right Mind Would Have Anything To Do With Your Lying Broke Ass!! You Are A Bully And A Punk Ass Whining Lying Little Bitch!! LMAO!!!

          • Those Women You Talking About Are Hookers Of Course They Will Go Out With You, You Paid Them!!! LOL It’s Called Turning A Trick It’s Not A Date!! LMAO!! Ugly Fat Liar!! LOL

          • plc97477

            Spoken like someone who can’t spell “hear the”.

          • Baa baa baa baa like a sheep ignorant dumb ghetto girl

          • YOUR MOTHER YOU TRAILER PARK TOOTHLESS HILLBILLY!! You Just Mad Cause I Don’t Want Your Stinky Ass!!! Pussy Ass Bitch!!! Funny You Tried Your Best To Get With Me!! ASSHOLE!!! All Anybody Has To Do Is Look At The Past National Memo’s It All There !! LOL

          • idamag

            There are some people, who come on this board, who actually think ignorance is a virtue. Like all ill-informed people, they resort to name calling and innuendo. That is why Romney lost. That, and his 47% views.

          • Michael Is One Sick Puppy Just Like His Party Of LIARS!!!

          • BDC_57

            You are right Fern they are bunch of lair.

          • Maybe because 51% don’t want to work ? Romney was only being pragmatic and accurate by the way .

          • charleo1

            No, Romney was not being pragmatic. He was being himself.
            A self serving, elitist prick, pandering to a crowd of likewise,
            self serving pricks. That’s why they all stick together.
            Because, nobody else can stand to be around them.
            Most people that had shipped as many jobs out of the
            Country, would be ashamed to even bring up the subject.
            Or, had pocketed as many pensions, or, bought out,
            and sold piece meal, businesses, that had for years bought
            homes, sent kids to college, and helped employees provide
            a secure retirement for themselves. Before Mitt Romney
            came to town. But then to, have the narcissistic, temerity to talk

            behind the backs of people, some no doubt, he personally
            had a hand in screwing over, like they were dirt under his feet.
            Well, that’s your hero, Dude. Not mine.

          • Independent1

            Michael, you don’t even know the facts about Mitt’s 47%: it has nothing to do with them not working; it was about them not paying taxes which Mitt thought (like you) it was because they were deadbeats: Well, if Mitt wasn’t so clueless, he would have known that although 47% of Americans don’t have to submitt tax dollars with their tax returns, and millions of them don’t owe taxes because they work for shyster retailers like WalMart and work at below poverty wages so don’t even owe taxes, BUT it’s not because they don’t work; it’s because they don’t make enough to owe more money han what had already been payroll deducted; or owe any money in taxes at all. And what really makes Mitt look bad about the 47%, is the fact that a large chunk of the 47% are actually REPULICANS that had th then decide if they wanted to vote for a guy that just denigrated them. Yup! a large chunk of Mitt’s 47% are southern red state Republicans who work hard but don’t owe additional taxes. Kind of a dumb move by Mitt don’t you think? Or do you actually do something like that? Think once in a while instead of just parroting what you hear on Faux News.

          • idamag

            The big push has been to devaluate the person who works for someone else so that he will be grateful for the pittance he is paid.

          • Romney Wouldn’t Want Your Broke Ass No Where Near Him LOL But Yet You Voted For Him!! LOL You Are One Sorry Lying Bastard!!b Be Careful He Maybe Working On Shipping Your Job, If You Got One?? Overseas To China Sweatshop!! LOL

        • neeceoooo

          That should tell you something that some republicans are siding with democrats.

        • You Know Nothing But LIES!!!

      • MrStoneheep

        Fern, with your total command of how to write the English language, I will accept your damnation of the NRA. They won’t be bothered with your thoughts one little bit, believe me. Learn basic English prose, for all of our sakes, please? Where did you matriculate from, Haavud?

        • Kiss My Ass Mr Asshole Steeped In Bullshit!! And Mind Your Damn Business Asshole What Are You Michael Bitch???

          • MrStoneheep

            Which would you like carressed so lightly, Fern? The one with one eye in the middle or the one with two eyes and a bump in between. From the pix of the two eyed one, I think I prefer the one eyed ass.

          • That’s Why Your Dumb Ass Only Got 220 Likes Cause You Are A Tea Bagging Asshole!! Punk Ass Bitch!! I Bet You Like To Lick The Koch Brothers One Eye Assholes!! BITCH!!

          • See he’s right …The proper way to write that is ” are you Michael’s Bitch ? ” To answer that question I would say no . I am hetero and I would bet he is also .

        • Truth to Liberalism . The other Liberals on these threads should ban her , Because she is perfectly illustrating how moronic and hypocritical the Communist Progressive Liberal Socialist Democrat left is . She makes the case all by herself .

          • Spoken Like The True Liar You Are!! LOL Lying Bitch!! And I Still Don’t Want You Get Over It!! LOL

      • old_blu

        That is exactly why they didn’t do it you are right Fern.

    • ExPAVIC

      I have hunted and shot guns for 58 years and still cannot see the use of military-type weapons for anything other than wasting ammo and creating a lot of noise. The NRA should fold their tents and find something constructive to bitch about.

      • Independent1

        You can’t see the use because there is none. The only reason for them is so more gun nuts can run around like 2 year olds whinning about having their lollipop stollen when it wasn’t stollen at all, it’s still in their pocket. Even though nobody is taking anything away, they just love to hear themself whine (some day they’ll grow up – we hope!!!).

        • old_blu

          Don’t hold your breath my friend.

          • Independent1

            Hi! old-blu, hope everything is going well for you. Guess I’m just an optomist at heart, but you’re right – given the way so many seem to resist common sense, it may be a long time before they themselves realize they’re acting like little kids. So holding one’s breath waiting for that to happen may not be a good thing.

  • WHEN does Business have MORE CONTROL of the Congress than ‘WE The People”? When “SCORE = $$”?

    The NRA threatens to ‘score the Congresspersons’ and they would have folded a US Congress National Debate?!?!?

    Then the NRA offers to ‘Not Score’ this first vote and the Congress acts like they just got their Balls back and suddenly ‘care about the citizenry’!!

    What happens when Monsanto ‘scores’ them to block ‘Poison Crops Debate’, or Exxon ‘scores’ them to block ‘Oil Spill Debate’, or Blackwater ‘scores’ them to block ‘Death-dealing Shoddy Work to Servicemen Housing Debate’, or Ford ‘scores’ them to block the next ‘Exploding Pinto Hatchback Debate’ and Congress just ROLLS OVER!?!?!?

    How FAR OUT are these scenarios ~ I can almost see them from here?!? Can you say ‘Citizen’s United’, because Corporations ‘Score’ Congresspersons on their record for $$ Donations!!

    Where the “Score for the $$$” speaks LOUDER than looking out for Safety of the Citizenry!! ‘Of, By and For the People’, MY ASS!!

    • MrStoneheep

      You know, with all you’re worried about, you really need find a cave, OR, better yet,
      find a life to live within the universe as it is. Damn, but you are scary, or scared. Which, you need decide. Just because someone doesn’t tow Obama’s (or your) line does not make them all you make them out to be. They were voted into their capacity by folks having views different from your own. Consequently, they should vote their constituents desires, not your’s. That’s what a republic democracy is all about, but to the far left, this is of no matter at all. All that matters is your opinion. HHHhmmmm……….. Sounds almost what some of the far right calls it – Socialistic.

      • Independent1

        I guess it’s nice to live in la la land like you do; totally ignoring the crooks that are doing everything they can to steal every dollar from me, you and exery other middle class tax payer that they can. It’s really sad when people like you can’t see that they’re being taken to the cleaners. Just keep on voting in more gangsters into the American Mafia (aka the GOP), and you won’t have to worry about where your next dollar will come from, because there won’t be a next dollar for you to collect. It anybody needs to wake up, it’s you!!! f

        • He’s A Tea Bagging Koch Brothers Ass Kissing TROLL!! La La Land Is Where They Live!!!

          • old_blu

            Under the LaLa bridge. hahaha. Where the NRA are only looking out for them and not really trying to make money, and force the government and the rest of the Kool-Aid drinking sheep to help them do it. Good morning Fern.

          • Good Morning old_blu My Friend!! 🙂


    • I didn’t vote for this idiot but many did here in florida.I’m sorry to say this state is the land of God.Guns and GOP.That’s why it is such a sorry ass place to be.

      • Except For The Last Election Last Year Obama Won Florida!!!

        • Through massive vote fraud . When you have three key counties with over 100% voter turnout not only did the dead vote …they voted twice . It is appalling the your media wont tell you that and that people in your cult wont even bother to study the voter returns

          • No Mean No PUSSY ASS PUNK!!!!

          • old_blu

            That’s a lie Michael you should do a fact check on that. And stop lying.

          • That’s All They Do Is Lie It’s In Their DNA Plus They Are Stuck On Stupid!!!

          • plc97477

            They have to lie because the truth would wipe them out in no time.

          • Yes I did . with the Fla state election boards returns

          • old_blu

            It’s still a lie it was because in a couple of counties they turned them in twice, and it was fixed before they were counted. Stop lying.

          • old_blu

            This is what I got off Fact Check dot org…………..

            Another bogus bit is being spread about St. Lucie County, Fla.

            Claim: In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast.

            The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout.

            It’s simply not true that there were tens of thousands more votes cast than voters available in St. Lucie County. Whoever first started this falsehood misread a St. Lucie election board document showing that 249,095 “cards” were cast, and registered voters totaled 175,554.

            But the supervisor of elections website explains that a “card” is one page, and the full “ballot” contained two pages. Total cards are not double the number of voters, as not every voter cast both pages (or “cards”).

            St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections website: Note* — Turnout percentages will show over 100% due to a two page ballot. The tabulation system (GEMS) provides voter turnout as equal to the total cards cast in the election divided by the number of registered voters. Also note that some voters chose not to return by mail the second card containing the amendments.

            A more detailed document of the county’s votes cast shows total “votes” at 123,301.

            The email author makes the same mistake with “cards” versus “ballots” in claiming that one St. Lucie County polling location, the National SEAL Museum, had a “158% voter turnout.” Not true. Of the jurisdiction’s 2,756 registered voters, 2,243 votes were cast, according to the Supervisor of Elections’ official results. A total of 4,469 “cards” were cast of the two-page ballot. Obama, by the way, got 33.62 percent of the vote at that polling location.

          • idamag

            Great post, Old-Blu. Fact finding is not Michael Stoll’s strong suit.

          • Did you Snopes that ? Hahahahaha . Look it was calculated on votes cast for Obama …go and get the real facts . Also would you like to take a stab at the 59 Philly Precincts without a single Romney vote ? I guess not .

          • old_blu

            Your credibility is in the toilet with me because you are a liar, so I can’t take you serious so I’ll tell you why with as much credibility as you do with me, because they are smarter in those 59 precincts .

          • plc97477

            You must have gotten hold of the returns of 2000 there was some iffy stuff going on there then.

          • neeceoooo

            Now you are really smoking crack, to say that the election in Florida was won because of fraud. Did it ever occur to you that the President won because he was the better man for the job, now who is burying their head in the sand. The many issues of voter fraud were made by the GOP and not the democrats.

          • Sure keep believing that a person who was an abject failure in his first term and who has no experience other then as a Community Organizer is the better person for the job . gee that’s like saying that 4 /gal gas is better the 1.80 /gal gas …hahahahah. The only job skills that being a Community Organizer teaches you are to LIE BLAME and make Excuses …Gee that seems to be his skill set to a tee

          • old_blu

            Community Organizer and President.

          • neeceoooo

            And the only people who think he is a failure in his first term are the ones angry because their man did not win (or that a black man is in the white house). I for one, think he did great things in his first term but then I voted for him anyway, so I would think that.

          • idamag

            Michael, I am telling you some facts from a person who does not believe in political parties because they divide and cause chaos. You won’t believe what I say because it does not fit your preconceived notions. Barak Obama was a college professor. He taught Constitutional law. He was at the top of his class in college or he would not have been a member of the Law Review. It has strict membership rules. The reason I voted mostly Democrat, this year, was the ugliness, the lying and the ignorance.

          • Ooppss wrong . He was never a Professor > he was a guest lecturer and a bad one at that . Go ask the U of C . They came clean on this . How do you know he was at the top of his college class ? His records are sealed . And why are they sealed ? They appointed him to the law revue out of Political Correctness and to be PC . There were rumored to be large donations made to ease that pathway . In the announcement of that Lofty ( not ) position it listed Obama as being Kenyan . . And the Ugly Campaigning and LIES all came from Prudential Plaza . You probably wont get the reference .

          • idamag

            Who gave you your information? Barak Obama transferred from California Occidental College to Columbia University to do his graduate work. He graduated from Columbia University in 1983. If he had not been brilliant, he would not have made the Harvard Law Review. He was a professor of law at Chicago Law School, where he taught: Voting Rights Law, Districting, and Due Process. These are facts not propaganda from the propaganda mill.

          • idamag

            Dogma is a belief system that we seek to reinforce instead of looking at if from other perspectives. I don’t know where you get your information, but maybe you better get a better source. Barak Obama transferred from California Occidental College to Columbia University to do his upper graduate work. If he was not at the top of his class he would not have been in the Harvard Law Review. He graduated from Columbia University in 1983. He accepted a teaching job in Chicago and eventually was a professor of law at the Chicago Law School. He taught: Voting Rights, Districting, and Due Process.

          • BDC_57

            He don’t know how to google does he.

          • BDC_57

            Yeah he wasn’t a liar like old Romney

          • idamag

            I know you don’t think so, but lying is unbecoming. There was no proof of voter fraud in Florida.

          • charleo1

            Wow! I swear to God, I’ve never heard so many lies out
            of a Conservative! Not. I live in Florida, Pal. People stood
            in line, some as long as 8 hours, because the jerk offs
            in T-Bag, Tallahassee, stunk the place up so bad, they
            were afraid to let anyone vote. You know, if you feel you
            have to lie to make your points. Maybe they aren’t such
            hot points to begin with.

      • MrStoneheep

        Mary Ann, Bye, C-ya’. (PB County) Florida is what it is, and after today with
        our President laying out his budget as he did after his speech of 2008 as a
        then candidate for President, I doubt the Dems will EVER carry Florida again.
        They may be old, but their not stupid. The Dems can’t carry Florida w/o the
        retired and/or Jewish vote. Good chance they lost those today with that idiotic
        point on the COL increases or the lack thereof. His tape from 2008 has run on every TV and radio station here all day long, and will continue to, count on it.
        Back to your gun control – what exactly does this little piece of legislation (if passed into law, which it won’t be) do to curtail the shootings in Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Arizona, Ft. Hood, Columbine, U. of Texas, Jonesboro, Arkansas, Oregon, or any of the places people have gone postal for any reason or for no reason, what exactly does this do to stop that? I’m all ears.

        • Independent1

          You need to go check your facts again – because the ones you’re referencing are fake. Obama lost the senior vote by 56 to 44 percent. So it wasn’t Florida’s seniors that carried him, it was the younger people in FLA who are basically getting fed up with one corrupt GOP administration after another – and the one in there now probably tops the list for being corrupt. It’s not the Dems that are going to have a hard time carrying FLA in 2014 and 16; just wait and see what happens!!!

        • If the President believes in all the background check stuff why doesn’t he show some leadership and become the first to submit to a background check …Hahahaha..
          None of these new laws would’ve prevented nor will prevent future Sandy Hooks . I would prefer a more 10th amendment approach . Let the States set their own laws . Let States with common sense put armed security in their schools just like the ones at the President’s kids school , and the schools all the Dem royalty send their kids to . Next let the Liberal Dem Ghetto Strongholds all put up their ” Gun Free Zone ” signs up by their schools . Then we can revisit this in 5 years and see which method works . How about a faster test . Which one would you want to put your kids in ?

          • idamag

            We,as Americans who care for our fellow Americans, cannot let the states make their own rules. In the Southern States before civil rights, murder was legal if it was perpetrated on an African American. They could cross three southern states on a bus and not be allowed to use a public rest room. African Americans were kept from voting with poll taxes and literacy tests. In college, my Political Science class took the literacy test and no one passed it. I asked how anyone, in the south, could pass it as the south is not known for their high academic stature. The professor, who had lived in the south, said answers were given to some people. If it hadn’t been for the Federal Government, those terrorist would still be lynching and burning crosses. The south used to be Democrat as Lincoln was their enemy. Then Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights act and now they are Republican. Too many people think like you do in backward areas. No we cannot let the states make their own rules.

          • DurdyDawg

            Again, another ill literate has called the entire g’mental body liars, cheats and idiots.. Try to get a g’ment job anywhere and see just how much background reaming will be in store for you.. You really must think Obama is some kind of genius to be able to get out of any g’mental background check multiple times (as each position warrants a deeper check). Then with all the ‘other’ documents that he ‘hid’ from the g’ment and all the people who do these checks and all the authorities that proclaimed his legality.. Hell, your even calling your own party a dip wad group because not one of them has ever challenged Obama’s credentials..Only a Limpball with a microphone stuck down his gob, a bad haired wealthy narcissist and a draft dodging, Bambi blasting has-been rocker. Guess we know who you get your information from..

            Armed security in the schools .. every teacher armed while the kids can learn the rules of community service and train for future janitorial jobs.. (forget about teaching when we can play the OK corral game).. Belay that! Now I get it.. Schools are institutions so I guess there’s little difference between schools and the prison system, at least according to brain dead extremists.

    • Yes reelect him . He stood up for the Constitution . Everyone who voted for it should be summarily ousted for not adhering to the oath to defend the Constitution .

      • Independent1

        And exactly what did Rubio do with respect to standing up for the Consitution?? I doubt you know because just like every other right-wing wacko, you haven’t got a clue what the Constitution really says; any more than Rubio does. You still think that the gun controlls being recommended by the Obama administration are unconstitutional when a right-wing Supreme Court has ruled in 2008 that everything being recommended is fully within our governments’ Constitutional rights; both State and Federal.

        • That’s why they struck down the previous assault weapons ban …right ? Look if you and your Communist Messiah don’t like the Constitution why not work to amend it rather then try to usurp it ?

          • neeceoooo

            No they struck down the previous weapons ban because the NRA has a lot of financial power. In other words, they have money to buy votes and support.

          • plc97477

            They used to be able to do that, but in the last election they did not do a very good job of buying elections. Their record was not very good in the last election.

          • Independent1

            It was the same culprits that are trying to block gun control legislation today that back in 2004 (the GOP) allowed the ban that Clinton signed in 1994 to expire. Letting it expire had nothing to do with it being unconstitutional, because here’s the 2008 ruling from a right-wing biased Supreme Court that makes it clear that such a ban is not unconstitutional (like I said earlier, you wouldn’t know what you were talking about with respect to the Constituion or Rubio):

            In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment “codified a pre-existing right” and that it “protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home”[9][10] but also stated that “the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”. They also clarified that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court are consistent with the Second Amendment.[11]

    • Rubio Got His Lying Ass On Meet The Press Now!! Wonder If He Bought Enough Water To Put Out Those Pants When They Catch On Fire From Lying!! He Need The Water From Catching Cotton Mouth From Lying So Much!! 🙁

  • come on americans of all stripes lets roll who do these idiots represent us or the corps we as a people need to vote these clowns out both republican and democrat we need to start keeping score on their vote we need to grade them vote them out why are we even considering cut backs on so called entitlements how is it a entitlement if we paid for it thru our taxes this is our money not theirs republican and democrats and independents will suffwer these foolish decisions we are americans first as a dem i call on my republican neighbors to stand up with us and be counted and fight for what is bought and paid for bu US not them hands off OUR benefits SSN medical, medicare and so forth let our voices be heard america contact them all via twitter, internet, phone, fax, and in person

  • Mark McKennon

    The self-aggrandizing comments that fall or spew from political mouths never fails to amuse or annoy me.

    McConnell pontificates: ”This bill is a clear overreach that will predominantly punish and harass our neighbors, friends, and family.”

    And a clear UNDERreach could predominantly punish and harass neighbors, friends and family — who are in the line of fire. He evidently has made no logical or empathic connection between the guns and the neighbors, friends and families of people who are murdered every day. He’s just calculating the potential damage to his own political skin. For McConnell (and his ol’ boy cabal caucus) to get re-elected, he/they must be seen to be instrumental in holding the line in favor of the NRA “scoring” the legislative bullseyes it deems necessary for gun makers to maintain market share. In the end if they lose seats their entire agenda takes a hit. Legislation, like his words, are just pawns in the game? Is that cynical? Not nearly so cynical as him.

    • plc97477

      Didn’t anyone point out to them that the nra did not get many things right in this last election.

  • [email protected]

    Not all felons are bad and should be able to have a gun.

    • DurdyDawg

      Maybe, but who would be the one to determine which felons should be allowed? Would it be some NRA butt sniffer or simply the official who receives the highest kickbacks?. and it’s a shame that two posters doesn’t recognize humor when they read it.

  • DurdyDawg

    Is this gun control issue important? Yes.. Is trying to create jobs and lower the deficit an important issue? Yes. If YOU were one of our representatives which issue would you view was important and which issue would you set to a side until the more important issue was addressed and implemented? If you were a scab and you wanted to use an issue as leverage to ignore a more

    • MrStoneheep

      Good post, and exactly what this man wants us to do, watch less meaningful ‘stuff ‘
      so we lose track of the real issues. Nothing he proclamated post Sandy Hook would do one minute morsal in stopping what or how Sandy Hook happened, and the sad part is, he knew it then and he does now, but, aaahhhhh, the rhetoric sure was good.

      • DurdyDawg

        You miss my point.. It’s not Obama doing this idiocy, it’s congress and their idea of ‘priority’ putting mundane issues on the board while allowing the real issues pile up on their desk.You really must think that Obama is a master of control when he can make every congressman, representative and councilman do his bidding.. Anyone with a brain would know this couldn’t work even in a corrupt sense. It’s the deniers and the sore losers and the hate mongers who are diverting the nation’s attention concerning employment and buzzing on policy that could very well be put on the back burner until after the nation heals, unemployment returns to a normal percentage and people go back to work.. They will be happy and from it, more sane arguments and better compromise would result from these on-going distractions that the baggers and the bottom feeders call, “Political process”.


  • Justin Napolitano

    Fuc the NRA, they are nothing but a lobby for the gun manufactures. The only thing that will change this despicable organization is people joining their ranks for the expressed purpose of changing the very character of their organization to reflect the fact that most people want gun controls. Either that or the possibility that the very guns they advocate are turned on them.

  • The legislation will have no teeth by the time it comes out if comity. They will all find a way to cover their ass and say I did my best.
    Time to computerize districts and stop gerrymandering so we can return to a legislative representative democracy. Start term limits of two terms. And Bane anyone in congress from being a lobbyist for 8 years.

  • jmprint

    I say if you are an NRA member and are a part of the 90% that want restriction so our country can be safer, please cancel your membership, it’s really useless.

    • MrStoneheep

      JM, would you mind terribly if I think for myself and NOT for what you want. You have your opinion, please allow me mine. That 90% is inflated by those that wish it be true.

      • jmprint

        Does the word if and 90% not mean anything to you. Obviously this statement was not meant for people that suck up to the NRA.

    • they will not get it.. too far gone already

      • jmprint

        Yes Mr. Bailey, some have been sucking on the NRA tit it too long.

        • And Mr.Bailey Is One Of Those Lying Koch Brothers Ass Kissers!!!

  • Kurt CPI

    While I’m happy that the thing will come to a vote. But I still don’t get how the same group of people can rage against homeland security (taking away all kinds of privacy, detainment and habeus corpus rights) on one hand and support exactly the same thing when it comes to destrying a part of the Constitution that doesn’t meet their agenda. I guess this is the foundation of the political machine. As long as the alternating parties in power can rally their own base to remove rights the other group holds sacred, the erosion of the Constitution will continue. Obviuosly no one looks at history anymore. At how many times the gradual shifting of power from the many to the few has toppled civilizations. 500 years from now in a college history class they’ll be teaching how “the Americans” allowed, indeed willfully facilitated, their own demise by allowing the powerful to manipulate the democratic process. And how in doing so, they willingly conceded their freedom in the name of safety. I know it’s been over-used recently, but Ben Franklin’s quote bears repeating anyway: “Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither”.

    • amen but I dont think they get it and being so closed minded never wll

    • idamag

      It sounds scary. It is scary. It is scary because it is happening. Everyone should read Fahrenheit 951 to see what the world would be like when two multi-national corporations take it over.

  • Fairplay4

    If the NRA ruled this Country it would not be a Democracy. La Pierre is not an elected official in this Government but he is trying to dictate what legislation may be brought for discussion. What an upstart.


    • Idiot…. that is exactly what the NRA is fighting for . Your Constitutional rights . If you and your Commie friends don’t like the Constitution you should work to amend it . That’s the way a Representative Republic works . That is the way they wrote the Constitution . You don’t circumvent it by acting like Communists and just passing laws against our freedoms . Our country is being ruled by a President who thinks he is a Dictator and he is ruling that way ..The Rules of America are pretty well explained in that constitution . Your ignorance speaks volumes and it probably explains why a man with absolutely no executive experience got reelected .

      • MrStoneheep

        Amen, Michael.

      • jmprint

        You are the Idiot, they support their agenda not yours. The constitution is just like the bible, everybody interprets it to their advantage. The only commies around are the ones that suck up to the NRA they need someone to hold them by the hand and lead them. Don’t be a follower like the rest of the GOP.

      • neeceoooo

        The NRA is NOT fighting for constitutional rights because 90% if the American people want gun control. Your statement just does not add up.

    • if you were not such an idiot you would know the second amendment the NRA is fighting for is in the constitution and therefore is part of WE THE PEOPLE and I A FREEDOM OUR OWN GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM WE THE PEOPLE the guns we want to keep are the reason we are free.. wise up

      • jmprint

        You wise up, the NRA is not for the people, they are for the themselves and their agenda. You are a follower.

        • neeceoooo

          very good point

        • BDC_57

          they follow the nra like people did with Jim Jones. They asking where’s the koolaide

  • This title is a little no a lot misleading . This was not a defeat for the NRA . It was a defeat for America and her Constitutional Principles .If you don’t like the Constitution you should work to amend it not circumvent it like a Dictator . I live in Chicago and there is now a video going viral of a law abiding citizen business owner and tax payer who was forced to defend himself in his place of business against two armed assailants . These two perps tried to rob the man and started shooting him . He stood his ground ( he had nowhere to run ) and fought the two armed assailants out of his store with a baseball bat . Very brave but it was only because of the policies of the Democrats that he wasn’t allowed to defend himself . We have a gun ban and still have the strictest gun laws in the Nation . The Dems here don’t want the law abiding citizens to be able to defend themselves . I guess their thought process would be very much like what they are teaching Liberal women to do in case of rape . That would be to piss themselves to ” possibly ” gross the attacker out . It usually doesn’t work ask any cop . So I am to assume they would’ve advised this man who was being shot to just piss himself as a defense . As I stated Chicago has had a gun ban for over 30 years and we still have the toughest gun laws in the Nation . We are the only state that has not complied with the Constitution and enacted a CCW law . We are the MURDER CAPITAL of America . The hugely undermanned Chicago Police Dept pull more guns off the streets of Chicago then any city in America . This proves two things . 1 when you outlaw guns the criminals get guns exponentially . 2 violent crime goes up with no way for the law abiding citizens to defend themselves . This seems to be the way the Dems and the Liberals want it . But they care about you right ?

    • MrStoneheep

      Damn, Michael, you’re good, and yes, I’ve seen that video on three different stations today, and I’m in Florida. That guy was one tough Hombre, but the perps haven’t as yet been apprehended. The bad guys have a gun (imagine that) and the law abiding citizen businessman has a bat. To hear most on here, the citizen should have called 911 and sat back and waited for Chicago’s finest to show – – a half hour later, huh??
      He did right and did well, but he SHOULD have the right to defend himself and his business with like force. It’s a choice we should all be allowed and are per the US Constitution, end of topic!!

      • neeceoooo

        Damn Michael and Mrstonehsheep you are both delusional.

        • plc97477

          And delusional people make the worse conversationists.

          • neeceoooo

            so true

          • That’s The Very Reason Why I Don’t Want To Talk To NONE Of Them They Think We’re Stuck On Stupid And Delusional Like Them!! NO WAY IN HELL!!!~

          • BDC_57

            so you are saying they are in lala land

        • BDC_57

          That’s part of being a teabagger

      • idamag

        You better keep an eye out for those black helicopters. Maybe, you should build a bunker in your back yard and stock it with food and water and, of course, as much ammunition and arms as you can get in it.

        • LOL Always Looking For The Boogie Man When They Are The Boogie Man!!! LOL They Need Their Guns For The Government Guess They Fail To Realizes The Arm Forces Is The Government Navy, Army, Air Force And Marines !! Along With The FBI, NSA, CIA ATF, The Whole Alphabet Of Law Enforcement And They Will Tear Their Asses To Pieces No Matter How Many Guns They Got LOL!!!

          • idamag

            I wonder how long it is going to be before the NRA convinces them that they need dirty bombs and drones.

          • As Soon As The NRA Get the Monopoly On Making Them!! 🙁

        • neeceoooo

          That is funny, or they could just move to another country. Let them all move to Pakistan and see how much freedom they have then.

        • BDC_57

          Yes and when the tanks come for them ther little assault rifles won’t help them.

    • why is it adult people who can supposedly read and write can not read the reality of said gun control and how things work when citizens are disarmed? toughest laws on the books , no guns=== equals highest criminal assaults on citizens… got to be the dumbest people alive if they can not add it up

      • old_blu

        What the hell is the matter with you? You are just spreading lies and propaganda, no one is disarming us. (you and the NRA spreading fear and lies are part of the problem) I own many guns and plan on owning many more before I’m done and I don’t mind anyone doing a background check on me, and would like to know why any real “responsible law abiding” gun owner would mind. Why would you be worried about a background check?

        • Ms. Bailey Is A Lying Tea Bagging Koch Brothers Ass Kissing NRA Butt Sucking TROLL!!! That’s All They Do Is Spread Lies Cause They Are So Stuck On Stupid!!! They Are Against Background Check Cause They Would Never Pass A Back Ground Check They Are Full Of Mental Problems Plus Most Of Them Are Sociopaths!!! They Are The CRAZIES!!!

          • idamag

            Yeah, she talks about people reading and writing, but you can tell she only reads that which reinforces her belief system.

  • Dana Es

    Every time I read an article like this or one about Grover Norquist, I want to weep. Why have we let Grover and the NRA control a big portion of our government? Shouldn’t regular citizens and the state of our country matter more? And can we undo Grover and LaPierre’s influence in some way? Or are we lost?

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    The NRA is seeing what happens when the tide of public opinion begins to defeat their gun loving purposes. The reality is that Americans when threatened with living in a society where their taxes inhibit their use of public places. Who pays taxes for places that are flooded with guns and turn schools into armed prisons? The NRA that’s who. It’s all about them. The “N” in NRA stands for their basis of their organization: Narcissism.

  • John

    After years of making CNN my main television news source; after years of teaching responsible gun ownership, gun safety and hunter safety for my home state; after years of declining membership in the NRA, considering its positions more extreme than my own: CNN’s persistent, one-sided coverage of issues related to the current gun control debate and today’s coverage (April 13) of the NRA 500 in Ft. Worth, Texas, tonight has prompted me to join the NRA. Furthermore, I have just made a significant financial commitment to help the NRA counter the blatant, one-sided advocacy of organizations like CNN. Whether or not I will continue to watch CNN remains to be seen; it’s certainly in question. Even a lifetime of supporting Democratic political candidates is currently in question. I’ve long been a critic of single-issue voting, but find myself swinging now to become a single-issue voter because the media and administration are making so much of this single issue.