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Sunday, June 24, 2018

At the risk of angering somebody like MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry, I sometimes used to joke that I only look white. Actually, I’m Irish. Meaning basically that I wasn’t raised to think the man in the big house had all the answers, nor deserved all the power he’d inherited.

It was in that spirit that I recently challenged Rep. Paul Ryan’s remarks about the shiftlessness of African-Americans. From the 17th century onward, I wrote, “virtually every negative stereotype applied to our ‘inner city’ brethren today was first applied to Paul Ryan’s (and my own) ancestors. Irish peasants were called shiftless, drunken, sexually promiscuous, donkey strong but mentally deficient. They smelled bad.”

No doubt some were; certainly some did. The big question is how to improve lives blighted by historical injustice.

However, my joke was definitely a joke. Here in America, ethnic boundaries can be as fluid as you make them. As long as you’re white. My people didn’t arrive in the U.S. until 20 years after the Civil War, but the only “ghetto” they were ever confined to was of their own choosing.

One of the formative episodes of my youth was getting caught in a PG-rated clinch by a young woman’s old-country grandmother, who in high-level diplomatic negotiations with my mother agreed that it was contrary to God and nature for Irish boys and Jewish girls to so embrace.

If not exactly Romeo and Juliet, we both thought they were crazy.

We used to talk a lot about ethnic groupthink, and our mutual determination to avoid its confines. We were very young, with no more idea of history and fate than two butterflies.

It’s the American Way.

For blacks, it’s not so easy to leave the “old country” behind. Because you’re living there. For the descendants of slaves, America’s where your ancestors were bought and sold like cattle: less the land of opportunity than the land of white supremacy.

Even President Obama, while careful not to say that the Trayvon Martin jury decided wrongly, emphasized that “it’s important to recognize that the African-American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.”

Actually, I’m often amazed that black people love this country as much as they do. What’s more, ethnic groupthink definitely comes in technicolor. You don’t have to be Justice Clarence Thomas to see that.

Obama was recently asked what race had to do with his poll ratings. He answered diplomatically: “There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president,” he said. “Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black president.”

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  1. Rallying the base is an integral part of campaigning, and probably the key to keep control of the Senate after the midterm election, but let’s not fool ourselves, Republican conservatism is alive and well in most states in the Union. Even Tea Party candidates, like Florida’s Gov. Rick Scott, are likely to be re-elected or elected in November. It almost seems as being illogical, deceiving and crooked are badges of honor for some…

    • I see more diarrhea of the brain. Typical, if you can’t win an argument rush to the “R” word. Obama the most transparent admin. ever-Hogwash. Keep your doctor-Hogwash, etc..

      • I believe Obama has only had two speeches on race since he was President, and I can’t recall him EVER using the word “racism”. So it appears you are just mouthing right wing sh$t.

        • The manure is only in your brain. He may have only had two speeches on race, but he sure throws it around like in the article above, don’t forget “acted stupidly”, “if I had a son he would look like Trayvon”, ect.. How about Holder at the last weeks speech with Sharpton. Nothing but a crybaby and factually wrong. Holder and Obama has used race as a Shield and a Sword to defend and attack.
          It all boils down to: criticize this administration on any subject, at any level and it is racism.
          The manure is in your brain not mine.
          You can’t touch the real issues of transparency, Obamacare debacle and getting worse, IRS-looks like Cummings had both feet in it, energy, etc..

          An administration that is truly a bunch of Amateurs.

          • They would appreciate it. This virulent name calling and bias tells me mike is a coward and would never say that to your face. He actually thinks he is important enough that he can hurt your feelings. I think a lot of these people are white supremists. They try to mask it, but eventually it comes out.

          • This Mike really has a strange perception. I object to much of the Obama abministration but his race is not one of my worries. In fact, my major objection against Obama is that he’s a war monger just like Bush, and hey, Bush is a white guy.

          • You know what you disagree with and why. It is real. I am disappointed in some of the things Obama has said, but I attack the issue not the man. I am disappointed in his stance (or lack of it) on TPP. If he doesn’t speak out against TPP. he is giving in to the power of money. The people who come on here with a litany of stuff that is contrived scandal are attacking the man. If they have proof of what happened in those cases, they need to contact Issa. He would love them dearly.

          • You got that right. Actually, I doubt they even object to the issues at all since Obama comes across like a republican anyway, they just don’t like the man because he’s black. That’s all. Heck, I’m sick of Obama and Kerry both blathering their uninformed BS about the Ukraine which really is none of America’s business to begin with. All these trade pacts are stupid to begin with because they interfere with various countries’ sovereignty and ability to tax as they see fit. What’s the point in that? Kerry runs around yapping BS everywhere but those Obama haters not once point out how big that BS really is. Of course Kerry is white. Funny though how Mike et al. don’t dive in on Kerry at all. Yet those folks parrot that idiotic FOX noise and their weird pseudo-scandals. Right now it seems that FOX is upset because the people whom they told not to sign up for the ACA now can’t sign up till autumn. Do what now? Duuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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            idamag You know what you disagree with and why. It is real. I am disappointed in some of the things Obama has said, but I attack the issue not the man. I am disappointed in his stance (or lack of it) on TPP. If he doesn’t speak out against TPP. he is giving in to the power of money. The people who come on here with a litany of stuff that is contrived scandal are attacking the man. If they have proof of what happened in those cases, they need to contact Issa. He would love them dearly.
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          • What can you really expect though?
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            idamag They were told that up front so they made their beds now they must sleep in them.
            12:02 p.m., Friday April 18

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          • LOL!!! Why don’t you use your brain and get the facts straight.
            Not one comment hateful or incorrect. All real and documented.

          • Ha Ha! Give ANY REAL DOCUMENTED source of your drivel. (and I don’t mean quoting Fox News or Koch)

          • Real and documented means one of the hate blogs, Fox news, or one of the Koch Brothers propaganda machines said it.

          • Just the same old-same old parroting from you. You are he who knows not and knows not he knows not. You don’t even know what the word “fact” means.

          • Sorry, but – despite your best efforts, and those of the author, the “R” word gets thrown, and triggers outrage in the recipient, all too often because it’s a direct hit. If you want to believe that the wholesale conversion of the solidly-Democratic south to the solidly Republican south in a few years beginning with the passage of the Civil-Rights and Voting-Rights acts was pure coincidence, you’re simply in denial (at best). If you think the rise of neo-Confederate groups and individuals in the “conservative” movement and books by conservatives saying “the South was right” is about tariffs, you’re either incredibly ignorant or blind.
            And your using this topic to throw out the usual right-wing accusations about the president – you forgot Benghazi – shows that it probably hits if thrown at you, or you just like to work around to those topics regardless of the article’s content (or both).

          • Only outrage is when this admin. doesn’t like the criticism and tries to silence the opposition by using the “R” word.
            I see the catnip has you off topic again.
            Keep the country divided, the masses down, control the lives of all, all for the Democratic Party. Hogwash!!!!

          • You bet.
            So when has this administration done that? Cite ONE example, where the administration specifically accused anyone of racism in order to “silence” them.
            What was off-topic in my post? Yours are off-reality, but sort of on the topic, I guess. I guess my pointing out where they aren’t was “off-topic”?
            While we’re on that off-topic topic, your delusions about keeping the country divided and the masses down is not only off-topic, but an excellent description of the tactics of Mr. Obama’s predecessor and those from his party in Congress and elsewhere.
            And you still forgot about Benghazi.

          • He mentions divisiveness, but doesn’t consider a party that calls its own names if they aren’t so controlled they might vote their conscience.

          • You aren’t making any sense. You sound like a kid who doesn’t want to admit he doesn’t know everything.

          • Yes it is very difficult for rational people such as idamag to comprehend fact-free lunatics such as yourself. But I think he/she gets the overall picture very well.

          • Since you seem to have a mental defect that makes you think you are the all-wise and anyone who isn’t a parroting groups speak is hateful or can’t comprehend, or stupid, and since no one likes you on this board, why don’t you go to one of those hate blogs where you will be patted on the back for the most hateful thing you can dream up.

          • No thanks. I like it here and will continue to show how uninformed or in denial you are. Sure you don’t like my comments because they show the real world not the fantasy you live in.

          • “Facts” hell you will deny them anyway. But since you won’t tell what facts you want I will assume you really not that interested.

          • Absolutely. Heck, what i dislike most about Obama is that he’s not much different from the white guy he replaced. Quite obviously all this anti-Obama blather on FOX noise etc. is based on pure racism, because if Obama weren’t black, they’d love that war monger just like they love all the other war mongers.

          • Well, I wouldn’t go that far, but he has been rather more enamored of the powers of his office – and in particular some of the more egregious “powers” asserted by his predecessor – than I like, and he has certainly failed to effectively combat opposition in support of those things a lot of us hoped he would push a lot harder for. I do think the hysterical and completely irrational level of opposition is at least in part based on racism. If he weren’t black, they’d likely be a bit more restrained, but he still calls himself a Democrat and he’s not so looney as they are, which these days is enough to trigger plenty of opposition.

          • Well, considering who ran against Obama in both elections, I’d say he’s certainly the lesser of two evils but I don’t think that says much. While he’s a democrat, basically he’s just fascist-lite since both major parties in the US are basically right-wing parties, just one of them a bit worse than the other. Obama certainly mistakes himself for a deity who wants to rule the whole world and likes to preside over life and death but then, he’s an American, so what can one expect? Morals he has absolutely none or he wouldn’t murder total strangers in foreign countries with drones. There is no excuse for such behavior, none whatsoever. To paraphrase Sartre, whatever you do, just think what would happen if everybody else did the same thing. Unfortunately, Obama hasn’t really thought about this principle. Oh, I’m sure this hysterical opposition to Obama is race based. Unfortunately, his weakness is prompted by his fear of being accused of playing some imaginary race card every time he opens his mouth on any subject period. I’m really wondering who thought it a good idea to even think of having a black president in racist America. I also don’t think a woman should run for the presidency in misogynist America. This sort of thing goes over quite well in many other countries but the US is way too mired in the past to be confronted with that successfully. There is certainly a reason why the US is such a close ally to Saudi Arabia, which is one of the socially most backward countries in the world.

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            Sand_Cat Well, I wouldn’t go that far, but he has been rather more enamored of the powers of his office – and in particular some of the more egregious “powers” asserted by his predecessor – than I like, and he has certainly failed to effectively combat opposition in support of those things a lot of us hoped he would push a lot harder for. I do think the hysterical and completely irrational level of opposition is at least in part based on racism. If he weren’t black, they’d likely be a bit more restrained, but he still calls himself a Democrat and he’s not so looney as they are, which these days is enough to trigger plenty of opposition.
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          • Mostly what we have against him is that he wasn’t able to push his way through the dead-lock the house and senate made to get the things he wanted done done.

          • Well, the white guy he replaced was actually Bush. Either way, I often wonder what the qualifications are to get elected president of the US aside from being rich or at least better than just well off. Obviously being a few cans short of a six pack upstairs doesn’t seem to disqualify anybody if you look at just about all of them, and that also goes for the guys who lose the election. The biggest nut was probably Jefferson who howled about how people shouldn’t vote for the party but should vote for the man. If that isn’t stupid, I don’t know what is. Of course back then only the members of an elite were allowed to vote, meaning just the rich white guys who were obviously properly connected and certainly knew each other, but still, think about it. A “party” is really just an established and shared ideology. Why shouldn’t people vote along ideological lines they agree with for the most part? As for voting for the man, heck, who knows those people? Their family members and their closest friends, and that’s about it. So if one doesn’t vote for the ideology the candidates claim to adhere to, what exactly are people supposed to vote for? The candidates’ choice in clothes, hair style, and general appearance or what exactly?

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            plc97477 No they wouldn’t. Clinton was not much better and they hated him too.

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          • The article above was NOT written by Obama! So no, you can’t “Blame” him for the press or for that matter what Holder says. They have two different jobs.
            Only right wing zealots SAY the admin. uses the “race” card, while the admin. rarely mentions it.

            Obamacare, success! (CBO says ACA will cost less AND more folks signed up) Transparency, most transparent admin. ever. Amateurs, after baby Bush? Please, you make us laugh…

          • Obamacare: Premiums rising 11% to 12% overall, some states 10-50%, California 53%, 28% Pennsylvania, 90% New Hampshire, 100% Delaware. Small group plans 23% Nevada, 25% Maryland and Missouri, 34% Indiana, 66% Pennsylvania, Washington 588%.
            Never said it was written by Obama, but all are his words. Holder just used it last week-now has back tracked and said that is not what he meant. Baloney, both are Whiners and Crybabies.
            Your intellectual dishonesty sadly is what makes me laugh. Still laughing.

          • Made up numbers mike don’t prove anything.

            The CBO just said ACA will cost an AVERAGE 7% LESS, than previous heathcare expense. You Do know that average means the mean value of ALL policies? (BTW, 588% for Washington state? TOTALLY BOGUS!)
            You can believe all the lies you what, but it won’t make them true.

          • I don’t know what this Mike expected Obama to say about the murder of Trayvon Martin. Should he have given Zimmermann a medal of honor for murdering an unarmed kid? In fact, I suspect a white president would have moved in on the irregularities of that peculiar trial in Florida while Obama obviously worried about getting accused of using some imaginary race card. There isn’t another country in the world where Zimmermann would have gone free.

          • Reminds me of a Camel Cigarette Ad back in the fifties. The tobacco company called 10 doctors and asked them if they smoked. They sent 9 doctors 5 cases of Camel Cigarettes and the 10th doctor a case of Lucky Strike. Then all the magazines featured their ad that said, “Nine out of ten doctors smoke Camels.”

          • Well, idamag, I was alive during that era and I definitely recall the mate to the Camel ad, namely: 9 out of 10 doctors who have tried camels prefer women. Yes, I did change it to PC because when I was young it was NOT an insult to call a female a girl…in fact, I definitely recall women in their late 40s referring to themselves as girls.

          • Some of the older generation still does. I have breakfast with three women in thier 80’s, every Sunday. One Sunday, a male friend came by and I asked him if he wanted to join us. Afterward, my 85 year-old friend said, “Our breakfast is for us girls so don’t ask a guy to join us again.”

          • You a hyena?
            It’s nice to see someone laughing at what he thinks are other people’s faults when all he’s doing is emphasizing his own.
            And you’re miles off-topic now, little boy.

          • Benefits eligible employees are now seeing the true cost of their healthcare. Employers were paying up to 75% of their employees health care costs. Pay attention, UP TO. Make no mistake, as soon as ACA became law, businesses, insurance companies, and all of the other industries within health care have been tweaking their policies and placing the responsibility of your health care with you. As it should be. One of my elders had to remind me, as I was complaining about my MD’s fee increase. This is what he said to me. “People can cry broke all they want , yet they can still find money for their beer and cigarettes. That was 40 years ago, when you paid out of pocket for office visits, labs, x-rays, ER, (unless it became a direct admit to inpatient), and medications. Also, because we are such a sue happy society, call a lawyer. What you’ll get is only a small fraction of what they pocket. When the legal profession became involved in health care, costs skyrocketed. But that’s okay. We have the highest obesity rate of all of the developed nations. What is our answer to that? Make a drug that will make those extra 150 lbs. just melt away in weeks, and still eat all that you want. Too much effort? We’ll just make our environment bigger and wider. Wider doorways, bigger cars, more ramps so we don’t have to walk our fat behinds up the stairs. The list can go on.

          • Already furniture so big you can’t have your back against the back of the chair and your feet on the floor at the same time. This blaming the victim society is so cold and uncaring. The beer and cigarette statement can make a person look the other way when the young breadwinner is dying with cancer. I lost my father (at 50) and all three of my brothers to cancer. Cancer is expensive. They didn’t get cancer because of their lifestyle. They is some speculation that chemicals had been dumped into the ground water where they lived. Several people, in that area, died of cancer. We had a young father, in our community, who needed a liver transplant. He was a good, practicing Mormon and did not smoke and drink. He was told he needed $100,000 up front and he didn’t have it. The community was trying desperately, to raise money and he died before they could raise it. I knew a young couple whose daughter was born with hip dysplasia befoe they had the knowledge about it they do now. They had to have $10,000 up front. They got second mortgage on their house and after 8 operations they lived in poverty. Bad things do happen to good people. When medicine and medical care became the bottom line on the stock market page of the Wall Street Journal, people’s health was not as important as the shareholders’ dividends.

          • I can throw out a bunch of figures, also. As for him saying if he had a son, he might look like Trayvon Martin, that is an impeachable offense, why? Your name calling and finding everything the president says or does is wrong shows how unbiased you are. The proof of some of the hatred toward Obama is: White supremist groups double after he was elected. They became more virulent. Source: The Southern Poverty Law Center who keeps tabs on hate groups.

          • As for what a member of the cabinet says, Roberts said the Bush’s only loyalty was to the people that voted for him. Bush did not say that.

        • Group think. You don’t see any presentation of their thoughts and definitely no pondering of anyone else’s thoughts.

        • LOL!!! You should try to be intelligent one time, not one comment can you or Judi refute, so you change the subject, make up stuff, and show your ignorance. LOL!!!

          • Typical left response. Call it a lie when one can’t handle or prove otherwise.
            What, you afraid to look them up. I have them and will but I will give you time to try and refute them.
            How many signed up is not how many have purchased, Duh. How many changes in Obamacare? around 28 to date. All these changes shows the plan is a disaster.

          • Still no documentation Mike…
            CBO just came out with REAL numbers today, 7% less cost overall for ACA.

          • BTW, Mike where am I supposed to look up your lies? Fox news?
            I’ve already reported my sources, the CBO (that’s the NON-PARTISAN Congressional Budget Office), states ACA WILL COST 7% less overall,so where is your proof? Especially of the BOGUS 588% raise in healthcare for Washington state?

          • Wasn’t “Obamacare” dreamed up by the republican Heritage Foundation and originally introduced in Mass by Romney? Personally, I would have preferred a type of national healthcare like France has but the GOP would never agree to that. After all, America believes only rich people should be entitled to medical care. Either way, instead of knocking “Obamacare,” Mike, why don’t you outline the type of healthcare system the Republican party is offering in lieu of the ACA? Obviously something had to be done since millions of Americans can’t even get insurance due to preexisting conditions, so what’s your suggestion? Let’s hear it. It’s easy to criticize, how about introducing a valid alternative? Just asking.

          • What was put out by Heritage Foundation and what was made law is like comparing Apple and Oranges. Nice try, hey MSNBC is on better go fill your brain with more crap.
            The Republicans have, you are just to lazy to go look.
            As to preexisting conditions where are all those people.? Where are the millions Obama quoted? Why haven’t they signed up?

            If Obamacare is so right, where are they? Where are the other 30 million uninsured? why haven’t they signed up?? Simple, it is a very bad law.

          • You’re comical. You have absolutely no way of knowing who signed up for the ACA and who didn’t. Moreover, neither you nor the GOP has access to the type of information that would even allow you to know if the people who signed up have preexisting conditions or not. You really must mistake me for naïve. Then again, why should I care if you have health insurance or not? If you get sick, you can just croak, and I couldn’t care less. I didn’t ask MSNCB or FOX noise what the GOP’s idea of an alternate insurance plan is, I asked YOU. So no, I’m not going to look anything up. I’m asking YOU to provide the information. Now do so.
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            mike What was put out by Heritage Foundation and what was made law is like comparing Apple and Oranges. Nice try, hey MSNBC is on better go fill your brain with more crap. The Republicans have, you are just to lazy to go look.
            As to preexisting conditions where are all those people.? Where are the millions Obama quoted? Why haven’t they signed up?
            If Obamacare is so right, where are they? Where are the other 30 million uninsured? why haven’t they signed up?? Simple, it is a very bad law.
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          • The Heritage Foundation? That is definitely not an objective source. Opinions are not facts. Opinions are opinions and lies are lies.

          • I guess you don’t know Media Matters for America, and if you do, you think theirs are all facts.
            Happy Easter

          • And, here is where (if you are mature) you will point out the differences line by line. Then, because of your history, I would check what you said to be sure it is fact. If it is fact, I will ponder the arguments.

          • Historically on this site I give indisputable documentation but you idealogues respond the same way: your a liar. Having said that the source for is Morgan Stanley and Flexible Benefits service Corp.. Here another Marc Bertolini, CEO of Aetna seeing 20-50% rise. But what does he know????LOL!!!!
            What you still won’t address is the number who haven’t paid(blue cross blue shield-15-20% haven’t paid first premium), what ages have enrolled to meet the ratio. Why won’t the admin. release these numbers, what are they afraid of being caught in more lies? Even the Washington Post questions the numbers. What your ilk won’t admit is if the numbers were so good they would be out there for all to see. Just another lie from the Liar and Chief.
            We can fight over numbers but the REAL REALITY is there will be LESS CARE not more, fewer doctors(90k) by 2020, the list goes on.

          • Again, my quotes were from THIS WEEK, the CBO said 7% lower costs overall for ACA.

            Your quote “Mark Bertoni…” is from “the Apothecary” (I’m sure an un-biased source…) dated 12/18/2012. BEFORE SIGNUP HAD EVEN BEGUN!!!

            Again please stop with your lies, AND your stupid citation that mean nothing.

          • Wrong again old buddy. Bertolini said it in January 2014 in an interview with CNBC.
            I see you didn’t read the CBO report, you would have noticed it doesn’t mention final 2015 premium costs nor the ratio/mix of sign ups. And it sure doesn’t show the loss of patient care, loss of doctors and hospitals in the exchanges nor the loss of choice. And it sure makes clear some of the improvement comes to paying providers less money.
            Only in your pea brain would any citation mean nothing.

          • Here is the EXACT quote from 12/18/2012, “Premium rate shock for 2014,” responded Bertolini, “absent subsidies and everything else, is going to be in the neighborhood of 20 percent to 50 percent. ”

            So unless Bertolini is using his exact same quote from 2012, you have mis-cited the citation…

          • Judging from what he posts, I doubt if he understands what he reads. He needs to grow up a little.

          • I gave him the source, douche bag. CNBC january 2014. even you can look it up. I found it. Check Forbes march 20.
            May 15th new premium numbers will be out and in July/august employer premium numbers out.

          • Just finished Forbes, January 2014 issue. There ws=as a figure of 7 million thrown out by Bruce Japson. He also threw out the figure 1 million. 7 mil projected figures for signing up. 1 million already signed up the first day. Fisher also had a column that talked about healthcare. He said bankruptcies relating to health care costs are flying in the face of the GOP. Figures were also thrown out in that article. $328 billion dollars. Dollar amount of medical cost bankruptcies in 2012. Just in case I missed something, would you give me the name of the author, of your statistics, so I can look it up by author?

          • Oh, BTW, Mike, where the heck is the citation for 588% increase in Washington’s healthcare costs you cited earlier?
            Was the publication “Fake Lies for right wing Trolls”?

          • Aren’t you the same kitty litter guy that wanted indisputable evidence that Obama Admin. used racism to silence criticism? I did, it was Obama himself in the 2008 against the Clinton’s. It seems I met your request but total silence from you. LOL!!!!
            You are Pathetic!!!! Where’s the catnip you need some.

          • Somehow I missed your “indisputable evidence.” Just where did you offer it?
            Speaking of pathetic, why don’t you have a look in the mirror: someone positively squirming with delight at the prospect – however remote – of the failure of the ACA, the GOP-conceived plan intended to provide healthcare to those who currently suffer and die from often easily-treatable diseases. You and your pathetic horde of hate-filled crazies are so insecure that you MUST be proved right, even if millions must suffer to do it, who have striven tirelessly to sabotage the plan while offering nothing as an alternative. A mad and malicious party who proclaimed as the country was circling the drain at an accelerating pace as a result of the malfeasance of those who run the sacred “Market” that their top priority was not to save the country or restore its economy and wellbeing, but to destroy the presidency of the man with the wrong skin color who had the uppitiness to run and win, to oppose and undermine all his programs, many others of which were plans you previously supported, regardless of the negative effects this would have on the country. And you have stuck by this cowardly and despicable promise, in fact exceeding it by making that one goal your sole priority. On top of which, you are so obsessed and consumed by this that you cannot even make intelligent comments on the topic of the article in your comments, going off on a distant tangent. Yes, indisputable proof. Absolutely NOTHING that comes from a creep such as you is indisputable.

          • From you a lot of words to say nothing. I guess you can name some of the people that have died because they couldn’t get treatment, Right????
            You seem to forget all those that are now suffering and will suffer because of Obamacare. Those that have lost Doctors/ Hospitals and will be receiving inferior care going forward. We are now seeing people having to drive past Hospitals they once went to or doctors no longer available to them because of Obamacare. We are seeing doctors paid less, more patients and less time per patient to make up loss income, therefore inferior care. We will be seeing Hospitals going out of business because of lower rates/payments and forced to consolidate.
            More importantly is the Restricted Choices we now have for healthcare.
            No hate here, just know that it is a poor law and bad consequences. If it is so great a law, why all the delays until after the Nov. elections. A law was passed without anyone seeing it.

          • Wasn’t “Obamacare” dreamed up by the republican Heritage Foundation and originally introduced in Mass by Romney? Personally, I would have preferred a type of national healthcare like France has but the GOP would never agree to that. After all, America believes only rich people should be entitled to medical care. Either way, instead of knocking “Obamacare,” Mike, why don’t you outline the type of healthcare system the Republican party is offering in lieu of the ACA? Obviously something had to be done since millions of Americans can’t even get insurance due to preexisting conditions, so what’s your suggestion? Let’s hear it. It’s easy to criticize, how about introducing a valid alternative?

          • Typical of tp’s. throw out rhetoric without proving it. What makes it so obvious is the parroting. No original thoughts, just stuff from the koch propaganda machines.

          • You inow what you sound like? A child. Did, didn’t, did, didn’t nyah, nyah,nyah. I am glad you aren’t my child, your ignorance would be embarrassing,.

          • I presume you are not talking about me, as the only “parenting” issue I’ve mentioned is my Special Needs child, who is now 20 years old.
            Because of him I’ve likely had more “parenting” experience than most folks.
            Thanks for your comments, I do read all of them.

          • Oh, I am so sorry I hit the wrong name. Of course I was not talking about you. You are an intelligent poster and I enjoy everything you say. I was talking to Mike, the cowardly bully. Please accept my apologies. I am so sorry.

          • No Problem! Sorry I was a bit short, I love your comments. Please keep those ideas flowing, Thanks!

      • Keep your doctor hogwash? I have not met a single person whose doctor (s) have rejected them because of the implementation of the ACA. Why would a doctor drop a patient because that patient has insurance after years of depending on Reagan’s socialist ER freebies? By the way, would you care to explain how patients without insurance coverage managed to get services from the same doctor before they got healthcare coverage by using an ACA exchange to get affordable healthcare?
        Instead of hearing what the GOP-TP and its media sycophants say, try to listen to their rhetoric and make decisions based on logic and reality.

        • I never said doctors were rejecting patients. Patients are losing their Doctors and Hospitals because of the exchanges. That is a fact!!!!

          As to how patients get treatment before Obamacare, ERs. Another Fact!!! Now tell me how many patients were denied care at hospitals.

          I listen to the rhetoric all the time from both sides and the left lives in fantasy land. Look in the mirror for a true Sycophant of the left.

          • It is not a fact until you prove it with actual facts. As for hospitals not turning away ER patients being a law – that is true. However every $2500 you spend in medical costs, $800 of that goes to pay for those who can’t, don’t or won’t. From the American Journal of Medicine.

          • How many have died from not receiving medical care at a hospital??? The comment earlier is how people are dead because they could get treatment.

            I never said healthcare didn’t need reforming, this law is a debacle. Polls show it, dems up for reelection are running away from it, Obama keeps delaying parts of it.

            Here are the facts:
            http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/gop-rep-seniors-losing-doctors-because-of-obamacare/

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/28/did-sen-coburn-lose-his-cancer-doctor-because-of-obamacare/

          • Again Mike, thank you for the links, they prove how complicated this is.

            From the Washington Post link, “Whenever anyone switches insurance plans — such as by changing jobs, by moving from the individual market to Medicaid or by turning 65 and aging into Medicare coverage –the new coverage comes with a new set of doctors.”

            and Sen. Coburn ” says he lost coverage for his oncologist when he purchased a plan on the new health exchange. “I’m doing well from a health standpoint, got great docs,” Coburnsaid Tuesday morning in an interview on MSNBC. “Fortunately, even though my new coverage won’t cover my specialist, I’m going to have great care, and I have a great prognosis.”

            So the gist of the article was Sen. Coburn had to change doctor’s, because he changed insurance carrier, but he still has great doctors. AND this happens to anybody, Republican, Democrat, or Senator.
            Oh well, at least it is very egalitarian! 😉

          • On Sen. Coburn not so fast. He is a doctor, has means and is paying Out of Pocket. Using same doctor but having to pay for it himself.

            There are many that have lost their coverage and do not have the means and can’t afford the treatment. This law is a loser for everyone, the provider(doctor), the patient, the economy, and hospital.

            The doctor doesn’t receives usual payment which means less payment which results in more patients to see, less time with each and therefore inferior care.

            Hospital receives lower rate-less money and some will go out of business or have to consolidate, again less choice for patients..

            Economy takes big hit from greater expenditures.

            The bottom line is the insurers to keep premiums lower will have to Restrict Choice and Restrict the Networks and again the patients are hurt.

            It is not that complicated it is a loser overall. All the delays by Obama makes that quite evident.

            http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/obamacare-tom-coburn-cancer-doctor-102724.html

          • Mike, Just for discussion, let’s say I buy ALL these points, (not really, but I’m willing to compromise), ACA is STILL BETTER than what we had in the past!
            AND I know of what I talk, I have a Special needs child with medical issues. later, thanks for your comments.

          • The only parts that are good is the Preexisting, kids staying on parents plan, the rest is to control the population. Nothing more, nothing less. It is redistribution of wealth and sadly it will be the middle class who will be hit hardest. Taxing the top 1%(3 million people, 34% of tax revenues) is not the answer.
            It is not better overall from the past. All of this could have been reached with both sides being willing to compromise.
            Sorry, you can’t see every point is valid because they are. We will be receiving inferior medical treatment going forward.
            Take care and I know you are giving your Special need child your undivided attention and love.

    • Dominick: When it comes to “Love thy neighbor as thyself,” from the upper-crust, Rodney Dangerfield said it best, “I get no respect.” From those of the wealthy who think they are God’s gift to the rest of us, we get no respect. They have devalued that “R” word.

        • True. This term about using the race card whenever one points out the obvious is getting tiresome. Also, it’s a mere assumption that being called racist would shame racists. It doesn’t. Racists are proud of being racist and consider everybody else inferior.

  2. Today’s republican party works very hard helping their base-voters feel like victims. Knowing that their message appeals best to the paranoid and frightened among us, they foster those feelings in as many as they can. They argue now that Christians are discriminated against just because our free society won’t allow them to bring their antiquated bigotries into the public arena. They tell gun owners that there is a federal boogeyman out there going to come and take their guns away. They tell white people they are being maligned by “the R word”, a phrase clearly designed to mock the common use of “the N word” to politely refer to history’s despicable black slur. They tell low wage workers that striving for better pay and benefits will result in them having no job at all. They have relabeled the simple concept of progressive taxation as “class warfare”! They tried to tell us that allowing same-sex couples to marry required a “defense of marriage act” to save the institution from certain ruin. All fear, all victim-complex, all a giant melodramatic stage act of poor, poor pitiful me,,,,,,,,,,,and they are getting away with it.

    • Kinda like if I disagree with Obama, I am called a racist. If I don’t believe in abortion, I have a war with women. If I don’t believe in Gay marriage, I am a bigot and homophobic. If I believe in the 2nd amendment, I am some kind of a gun totting killer. My kids can’t say a prayer inpublic school, but we can allow muslim traditions to be in public school.

      • You lying sos. Teaching people to respect other cultures is not teaching that culture’s religion. You are a group thinker. None of your thoughts are original. The reason you have to force prayers in school on everyone is that it embarrasses you to pray alone. Jesus said not to pray in public to be seen of men, but to pray in private. If you use the second amendment to bully your ways and contribute to making our city streets unsafe from paranoids, then you are using it wrong. .

      • Really? What “Muslim traditions” do they promote in your school?
        It’s “kinda like” if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck ,quacks like a duck, it probably is with you.
        Your hysterical and irrational postings about Obama hint at more than partisanship, though these days I suppose crazy “conservative” and crazy racist are hard to tell apart.
        The war on women is a lot more than not believing in abortion. Most rational people “don’t believe” in lots of things, but recognize that making all of those things illegal interferes with the liberty of others more than should be permissible, and making doing so an obsession above most other things when the country needs help is irrational and controlling. Identifying the obvious prevention for abortion – birth control – as just another form of abortion really crosses the line, and that’s not all the party you support is up to.
        What business is it of yours who marries who? If you favor legal prevention, at very best you’re an obnoxious busybody who would do better to consider working on his/her own faults.
        If you believe in the 2nd Amendment to the point fo defending the “right” of convicted violent offenders and certifiably insane persons to possess massive arsenals of lethal weapons, then you might as well be a gun-toting killer.
        And if you imagine favoritism for Muslims in public schools – particularly if you imagine they and the rest of our society aren’t rife with favoritism for Christians – then you’re probably a religious bigot. And I guarantee you your children can say all the prayers they want in school unless they plan to make a public spectacle of doing so, something of which Yeshua himself was quoted as strongly disapproving. As a wise person said, so long as there are tests in school, there will be prayers in school;-)

      • I’d reply how many ways your post is wrong and disagreeable, but Judi, Sand Cat and idamag have already done a fantastic job. So I will just add:

        Please GO AWAY, we don’t and won’t believe your drivel.

      • On the whole, you sound like someone who likes to mind everybody’s business but your own. BTW, which school in the US teaches islamic traditions? Some private islamic school? Why would you attend that school? If you don’t believe in abortions, don’t have one. Why would you worry about someone else’s choice in marriage? And hey, maybe the rest of us don’t want to get shot by gunnuts like you? Incidentally, the 2nd amendment refers to well regulated militias aka the national guard.

        • The President of the United States lying about health care is none of my business as a citizen of this country? The IRS scandal is none of my business as a citizens of this country? Having or not have a abortion was not what I was saying, I was saying how the tolerant left has no tolerance for someone that doesn’t agree with them on abortion, by making up a war on women. Without the 2nd amendment, the rancher in Navada would have lost his ranch and cattle last week to the feds. I don’t care who marries who, my point is the folks that don’t agree with same sex marriage are called terrible things by the same people that are demanding tolerance.

          • His family has been grazing on that land for over 100 years. The land only has value to ranchers and Harry Reid and his son. Harry’s son can make millions with a Chinese solar company. How much of OUR land will be given to the Chinese and how many of the millions will WE see?

          • All this may be true, but it IS STILL federal land, OUR land, that this rancher is raising his cattle on. NO FEDERAL land has been GIVEN to the Chinese, please show any proof of that….

          • So, they got be free for 100 years – the moonshiner’s son, following in his grandfather’s and father’s tradition is still breaking the law. It is our land and I object the that rancher using it free.

          • Never said land was given to them yet. Here is a article about the standoff. It also states that the deal Harry Reid and his son wanted fell through:

            James Simpson
            James Simpson is an investigative journalist, businessman and
            former economist and budget analyst for the White House Office of
            Management and Budget. Best-known for his exposé on the Cloward Piven Strategy of Manufactured Crisis,
            Simpson’s work provided background for Glenn Beck’s groundbreaking TV
            series on the subject. He is a frequent guest on radio talk shows and is
            featured in Curtis Bowers’ award winning documentary “Agenda: Grinding America Down.” Follow Jim on Twitter and Facebook.

            Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

            After a weeklong confrontation between protesters and armed agents of
            the Bureau of Land Management, events at the Bundy ranch in
            Bunkerville, Nev., came to an abrupt end Saturday when the BLM suddenly
            threw in the towel and left.

            Speaking to a local TV news program Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada declared:
            “This isn’t over.” And he is certainly correct. The showdown between
            BLM and Cliven Bundy – the last rancher in Clark County, Nev. – was but
            the latest battle in a long-running conflict.

            Supposedly at issue was the desert tortoise, a reptile on the
            endangered species list that purportedly could not coexist on the land
            with Bundy’s cattle. But why, many asked, would the turtle suddenly be
            threatened by animals it had cohabited with for the 100-plus years the
            Bundy ranch has been in operation?

            A BLM document
            unearthed last week discusses mitigation strategies for the Dry Lake
            Solar Energy Zone, just southwest of the Bundy ranch. The “mitigation
            strategy” proposed to use the grazing lands
            near the Bundy ranch as a kind of sanctuary for the desert tortoise,
            because the entire region is slated for a large number of solar, wind
            and geothermal energy generation facilities.

            The solar projects will obliterate most of the turtle’s natural habitat.

            Bloggers quickly made a connection between the effort to remove
            Bundy’s cattle and a solar energy project in Southern Nevada financed by
            the communist Chinese energy firm ENN. It was to be the largest solar
            farm in the U.S.

            Reid had lobbied heavily for the company’s business, even traveling
            to China. Reid’s son, Rory Reid, formerly a Clark County commissioner,
            became a lobbyist for ENN, and the Senate majority leader’s former
            senior adviser, Neil Kornze, now leads the BLM.

            But the solar energy complex financed by the communist Chinese was
            not at the heart of the Bundy Ranch fiasco after all. The project died last year.

            However, the BLM’s library of renewable energy projects
            revealed it was only one of more than 50 solar, wind and geothermal
            projects planned for Nevada, California, Arizona and other Western
            states. Reid was focused on at least one, and maybe more, of the
            projects, much closer to the Bundy ranch.

            He was at the work site on March 21 to help break ground on the Moapa Southern Paiute Solar Project.
            A close inspection of the project reveals why there is so much interest
            in the area and why the BLM, presumably at Reid’s urging through his
            former aide, Kornze, is so intent on getting Bundy off the land.

            The leaseholder for the project is K Road Power, LLC,
            a New York City-based energy company. An examination of its website
            finds the business development manager to be none other than Jonathan Magaziner.

            Magaziner was formerly an associate at the Clinton Climate Initiative
            of the William J. Clinton Foundation. He is also the son of Ira Magaziner,
            former senior policy adviser for President Bill Clinton. The elder
            Magaziner now works for the Clinton Foundation on health and environment
            issues. There are likely other connections to Democratic insiders.

            But that is not all. A company called First Solar is listed on a BLM renewable energy project map
            of southern Nevada, one of 11 sited in Clark County. Additionally, the
            map shows six wind projects in Clark County and also lists the K Road
            Moapa project under “transmission projects.” In other words, there is a
            lot more going on than media have reported.

            First Solar investors
            comprise a who’s who of Democratic insiders, including major Obama
            campaign bundlers, billionaire investor Paul Tudor Jones, Al Gore, Ted
            Turner and Goldman Sachs. First Solar’s CEO is Michael Ahearn, former fundraiser for both Obama and Harry Reid.

            First Solar has at least three other solar projects in California. So
            it becomes apparent why the BLM, Reid and many other interested parties
            have such an intense interest in the desert tortoise.

            The lucrative business opportunities explain both why Cliven Bundy
            has been facing such intense intimidation and why all the other ranchers
            have been chased out. Bundy represents a financial threat not merely to
            Reid, but a whole gamut of Democrats tied to Obama, Clinton and Gore.

            This is what has been discovered by examining only a few of the
            50-plus projects. Doubtless there are similar stories behind some, if
            not all, of the others.

            If Democrat-linked entrepreneurs plan to turn the West into a massive
            arena for green projects, the implications are disturbing. The projects
            will eventually go as all others have gone before: failing as the
            unsustainable costs, maintenance problems and unseen environmental
            catastrophes they create become intolerable. The true goal of “green” energy, say cynics, is to make these people wealthier, not to save the environment.

            Whether that turns out to be the case or not, the Bundy story needs far greater and deeper media scrutiny.

          • This is all very interesting, but the key words are “Never said land was given to them YET” (my emphasis).
            This has NOTHING to do with “devalued r-word” so what might’ve, should’ve, could’ve happened with Reid or this squatting rancher is of no importance to this topic.
            But, that being said, this was an interesting citation, and thanks for posting it.

          • No Problem!
            My fingers typing may outrun my proper etiquette and common sense sometimes, but I do try to read everything posted.
            So, of course, keep posting! (even though the top of my head might fly off at times… 😉 ).

          • The rancher in Nevada owes a million dollars in grazing fees and fines for not paying the grazing fees since 1993. That sounds like a personal problem to me. Maybe he shouldn’t graze his cattle on Shoshone land, huh? If he loses his ranch over this, so what? That was his call and he made a bad decision when he didn’t pay. Nobody said anything about taking his ranch. The federal government simply rounded up his cattle and put it back on his ranch where it belongs. You really need to pay attention and not invent problems that don’t exist. Before you accuse anybody of lying about healthcare, maybe you should ask your friends at FOX noise why they’re lying about it. Well, after all the insults I heard from the GOP against women and all these laws they pass making it impossible for women to obtain contraception and even medically necessary abortions, if that’s not a war on women, what is? As for agreeing or disagreeing with women on abortion, all the left is saying is that this should at all times be the decision of the pregnant woman. Nobody on the left is forcing women to have an abortion if they don’t want one but the right is trying to force pregnancies on women they don’t want including pregnancies that result from rape. And whoever doesn’t get pregnant really doesn’t have a right to an opinion anyway. As for the people who are called terrible things if they don’t agree with same sex marriage, why are they even sticking their nose into someone else’s marriage? The terrible thing I call those people is that they mind everybody’s business but their own. Say, how old are you anyway? You sound like a snot-nosed little boy. So you’re a citizen of the US, so are 300 million other people, but that hardly gives you the right to interfere in everybody else’s life. Grow up

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            itsfun The President of the United States lying about health care is none of my business as a citizen of this country? The IRS scandal is none of my business as a citizens of this country? Having or not have a abortion was not what I was saying, I was saying how the tolerant left has no tolerance for someone that doesn’t agree with them on abortion, by making up a war on women. Without the 2nd amendment, the rancher in Navada would have lost his ranch and cattle last week to the feds. I don’t care who marries who, my point is the folks that don’t agree with same sex marriage are called terrible things by the same people that are demanding tolerance.
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          • Wouldn’t Shoshone land belong to Indians and not the federal government? Obama admitted he knew not everyone would be able to keep their doctors and/or plans for healthcare. Maybe you should check a few facts before you start calling people names. People that are against abortion are not against women, they feel they are fighting for the life of unborn humans. We have a country that people want a bug to have rights, but want no rights for an unborn human being. Sounds like you are one of them. You have completely missed my point in my original post. I was pointing out there are two sides to every position and issue. You choose to ignore that and just call me names. If anyone is a snot nosed kid, it is you. You preach tolerance, but refuse to be tolerant of anyone that does not have your opinion. You are a thug.

          • And nobody really said that the land actually belongs to the federal government and for all you know the BIA (which is in the dept of the Interior) might well be collecting the lease fees for the Shoshone. Either way, that freeloader signed a lease agreement 20 years ago and knew good and well that he was expected to pay the feds. And please spare me your BS about “unborn humans.” Your ilk doesn’t care about the born ones, so why all that hypocrisy about unborn ones? And nope, as long as the fetus is inside a woman, her rights supersede those of the fetus. Not even children have the same rights as their parents let alone a fetus that’s still inside the mother. Say, where am I preaching tolerance? You’re a snot nosed little kid, and I don’t have to be tolerant with you period. If you oppose abortion, then by all means, don’t ever have one. If you’re male, you have no right to an opinion period when it comes to someone else’s pregnancy. Get used to it. After all, what you don’t know about the reasons why women choose to have an abortion would fill the national archives. Have a nice day

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            itsfun Wouldn’t Shoshone land belong to Indians and not the federal government? Obama admitted he knew not everyone would be able to keep their doctors and/or plans for healthcare. Maybe you should check a few facts before you start calling people names. People that are against abortion are not against women, they feel they are fighting for the life of unborn humans. We have a country that people want a bug to have rights, but want no rights for an unborn human being. Sounds like you are one of them. You have completely missed my point in my original post. I was pointing out there are two sides to every position and issue. You choose to ignore that and just call me names. If anyone is a snot nosed kid, it is you. You preach tolerance, but refuse to be tolerant of anyone t hat does not have your opinion. You are a thug.
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          • Are you saying even if the federal government doesn’t own the land, he should be paying taxes to the federal government? Are you saying the federal government should be a tax collector for the Shoshone? Who else should be feds be a tax collector for? Perhaps State governments, or city governments, or any group. BS about unborn humans? What is BS about caring about unborn humans? You have no idea what I believe in for people. Who gives you the right to decide what rights or opinions I can or do have. Like I said before you are no less than a THUG. I am sure you are one to hide behind tolerance for your causes, but have none for anyone not agreeing with your causes. You are a THUG!

          • First of all, this is not about taxes but about leasing fees. Second, yes, Indian nations can indeed request from the feds (BIA) to collect payments for them. It looks like you don’t know much about how things in the US operate. Get an education. Third, I’m telling you that if you are pregnant, you are free to either carry it to term or to have an abortion. You don’t need my permission for either decision. If you’re not pregnant, don’t worry about it. What’s your problem?

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            itsfun Are you saying even if the federal government doesn’t own the land, he should be paying taxes to the federal government? Are you saying the federal government should be a tax collector for the Shoshone? Who else should be feds be a tax collector for? Perhaps State governments, or city governments, or any group. BS about unborn humans? What is BS about caring about unborn humans? You have no idea what I believe in for people. Who gives you the right to decide what rights or opinions I can or do have. Like I said before you are no less than a THUG. I am sure you are one to hide behind tolerance for your causes, but have none for anyone not agreeing with your causes. You are a THUG!
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      • Your kids can say all the prayers in public school they want to say. You just can’t use the teacher to make the other kids suffer through it. If you don’t believe in abortion that’s OK too. You just can’t force your beliefs on others. You are free to not believe in gay marriage, its just that publicly recognized relationships are not subject to your belief systems. Believing in the Second Amendment does not make you or anyone else a gun toting killer. And in conclusion, Muslim traditions in public schools and religious indoctrination are not necessarily the same thing. Traditions are OK, religious indoctrination is not. There, I have straightened out the difference between true, constitutionally defended freedoms, and that freedom-stifling stuff you would prefer in it’s place.

          • Unfortunately some have no interest in stopping hate or distrust. They have organized their world by those reactions and are frightened of all that is different. They define their rightness by everybody else’s wrongness.

      • It’s kinda like that. If you disagree with Obama, and get very
        lucky. If on that very rare occasion, rather than being told why they believe your disagreement with the President is wrongheaded. Or why it will wind up costing more in the end. Or that the opposition you support, supplied no other alternative remedies, and so is therefore being intentionally obstructive for purely political reasons. Which is so often the case. And, decides to just mindlessly call you a racist, or a homophobe, a gun toting coddler of gun toting killers, on a completely subjective basis, without any supporting evidence. So then, without having to defend your position
        in anyway, you get to be the victim. And, that’s gotta feel great! But, because there are so many other reasons one
        could disagree with you, it really doesn’t happen often
        enough to suit you, does it? Now, be honest .

    • It worked in history. The Communists are causing your problems. The Unions are causing your problems. It is the Juden who is causing your problems.

  3. Good point about anti-Irish prejudice; some of it was still active in politics when JFK was running, but it somehow got neutralized by Reagan. The phrase “as long as you’re white” brings to mind the uncomfortable truth of history for “white” supremacists: whatever good (and “good” to some) things the “white race” has accomplished, science, rationalism, stumbling toward human rights based government, medicine, etc. has been accomplished precisely because the “white race” IS NOT a homogeneous race! Everyone from the borders of India to the western tip of Ireland, over thousands of years of war and trade, mutual hatred and mutual enlightenment, has made the “white race,” or more accurately Western civilization, what it is. Other nations that have stagnated in the past did so precisely because they WERE isolated, and isolated themselves to protect their “purity,” or because they were too far removed from one another to mix frequently, either in war or in peace.

    Two great civilizations come to mind that DID flourish while they were making contact with other, and THEN stagnated when they locked themselves up culturally, are the Islamic and the Chinese. China was on the verge of “discovering” America (from the other side), when a change in Emperors led them to dismantle their ocean going ships and (literally) burn the blueprints. And just when Europe was coming out of the isolation of the Dark Ages (and Aquinas was telling Christians that studying God’s WORLD was as valid an approach to truth as studying God’s WORD, because when both are rightly understood, they cannot conflict), Islam’s equivalent of Aquinas was telling Muslims that nothing but the Quran was worth studying, because if Allah wants humans to know it, He put it into the Quran. And we know how that turned out for them.

    But white supremacy has made a comeback in the United States since the Clinton administration got into political trouble for its responses to two of its fanatical groups (Ruby Ridge and Waco), with people on the borderline between extreme right wing Republicanism and the Aryan Nation being courted as endorsers (e.g. Ted Nugent) by “mainstream” politicians. In 2009 a government study of the dangers of home-grown right wing groups (Aryan Nation, neo-Nazis, KKK, etc.) was quashed in response to criticism from Faux News and conservative politicians and pundits, because “we need to concentrate on Muslim extremists” as a greater threat. Since then, while 21 Americans have been killed in attacks by Muslim extremists, 34 have been killed in attacks by AMERICAN RIGHT WING extremists, most recently in Kansas City, Kansas, apparently by a man who went under cover after testifying in 1987 in a failed attempt to jail 15 of those white supremacists for sedition (trying to overthrow the U.S. government).

    Two billionaire donors to right wing candidates, the Koch brothers, are the sons of the founder of the John Birch Society of the 1950s. But the media never mentions that connection — in fact, except for liberal outlets, they hardly ever mention them by name at all. Now these people, although they are more subtle, are an example of the REAL meaning of racism. They want to enact policies that will HARM many more non-whites than whites (although they trick the white people they do harm into voting for them), and SOME of them, IF they had total power, would literally allow the KILLING of non-white people. Couldn’t happen in America? It did, routinely, until the civil rights crackdown in the 1960s took hold.

    Praises to you for being “color blind” as a child to the difference between Irish Catholic and Jewish people! I unofficially award you the Stiller-Meara medal, after that wonderful comedic acting couple (and their talented “mixed” son Ben).

    • The thing mentioned, by Obama, was other hated groups, that immigrated to this country, in time became an invisible part of the fabric. On the other hand, the Black race is visible. Each new group, that came, was discriminated against. The strange part was the old mocked group became the perps to the new groups. There are people, whose intelligence tells them it is wrong to hate another group of people, but they have a little of that prejudice anyway. They don’t cause much harm. It is the active groups. Was Obama right when he said some of the dislike, he gets, is because of his race? Absolutely. The proof: When Obama was elected president, the white supremist membership doubled. That is a figure. There are now 2500 supremist groups operating. That is a figure.

    • Thanks Allan. Appreciate your keeping track on history and getting it out to us via NM. Have you thought about doing articles yourself, or maybe you already have. Anyway, Thanks!

  4. How? are we using the word “Racism” and for What? purpose. I am at a loss for words coming from a Black American perspective. What? the hell are we talking about. Lets, all do some Critical Thinking about What? the hell is going on in America about Racism is there someone here in America think they are betteror racial superiority than another American, if that’s the problem then I think we all should take a time out and go and take a crap. Thank You are the magic words in my book. I Love Ya All. Beware of (Capitalistic Pigs, Plutocracts, Republicans and Democracts Do Nothingiers etc and try to find out Where? has your Democracy gone) Mr. C. E. KING

  5. There is no connection between the plight of the Irish and black Americans. It’s a ludicrous comparison. Were the Irish brought here in chains and forced into slavery. What Irishman was ever hunted down and hung just for being Irish. What Irishman was ever tied to the back of a truck and dragged with a trail of pieces of his flesh til decapitated.
    This article comes across as rather apologetic. Mr Lyons attempts to assuage the suffrage and brutality experienced by black people with this superficial article which doesn’t even come close. He lacks understanding of the experience itself. When Eric Holder complains of venomous vitriol against himself and President Obama he knows where he’s coming from. Being born during the Truman era I can you I have never seen a President disrespected cursed vilified and treated in the most atrocious manner the way republicans have treated President Obama. These people have no shame no tenets of even beings Christians.

    • They came here because they were starving from the potato famine. They may have thought they had no choice. They were heavily discriminated against. They ended up with the jobs no one else wanted and many of them were laying railroad track across the country. When they imported Chinese to help lay that track, the Irish discriminated against the Chinese. The Irish were the first to discriminate against the Polish people and the Polish people discriminated against the Puerto Ricans. I witnessed a batch of chickens once. Ont chick was born black and the others were yellow. The yellow chicks picked the black chicken to death. I always call people,like the white supremists – chicken brains.

    • You missed the point. Lyons wasn’t comparing the two, he was simply using the “Irish example” to show that stereotypes are faux pas, yet perpetuate even though the genesis is nothing other than misunderstanding. It’s a solitary point used only as a single aspect in the overall piece. While stereotyping does constitute bigotry, and where it’s true that bigotry applies to racism, it’s equally true that not all bigotry is racism. In our world, politicians will use the term anytime there’s a disagreement between people of different races.The focus of the piece is the political use of the term “racism”. The frequent and often off-the-mark rhetorical proclamations are shameful and absolutely DO strip the term of its depth of meaning, exactly as Lyons suggests.

    • Rome 44, please work on reading comprehension. The article specifically states that Irish-Americans suffered nothing remotely akin to slavery and Jim Crow. In the old country, however, they certainly did. But that has very little to do with America today.

      President Clinton was accused of drug-smuggling, treason and of having friends and political opponents murdered. He was impeached over something idiotic he did with his pants down.

      Today’s GOP extremists consider ALL Democrats illegitimate. It won’t stop with Obama either.

      • They should stop and think: Who is going to benefit from the destruction of the multiple-party system, when it becomes one party?

      • Who died and left you boss ? It’s not a comprehension issue, It’s a gobbledygook issue. You’re discussing an issue that you can’t possibly relate to.

        • You missed the word “joke” in the opening sentence, then missed it twice in the 4th paragraph. However, if I can’t possibly relate to you, it would appear to follow that you can’t possibly relate to me, so dialogue is pointless. I doubt you actually believe that. You just think you can pull rank in any conversation on this topic. It’s a weak move.

          • Knock it off go outside it’s a beautiful day let the sunlight bathe you and think about getting a life.

  6. You might be interested to know that Yoho, the Republican representative from Florida (naturally, from Florida) just said the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional.

    • Same guy prints his campaign material with his picture on it because, i quote, “I don’t want people to think I’m some Jap!” Yes, so you know this guy is really together.

  7. This is well written and expresses my feelings more eloquently than I could. What a great job of using politically correct prose to show the difference between supremacist rants (true racism) and political use of the term, essentially debunking political correctness in a politically correct manner – no easy task!
    Perception is often based on stereotypes, and stereotypes are born of misunderstanding – it’s a self-perpetuating cycle. The problem is that these stereotypes often drive important decisions that lead to another vicious cycle, that of hopelessness fed by repression. We have a cultural problem, no denying that. There’s a seemingly insurmountable gap between the middle Americas depending on race. So much so that they are really entirely separate cultures. Both of them share in the blame for that gap, but certainly nothing will change for the better if something isn’t done to break those cycles. Throwing the “race card” has become a political tool that indeed devalues the word.

  8. If you feel that I am defined by the color of my skin in some perceptible way, you are a racist. If you think that everyone with a certain color of skin all share a singular commonality, you are a racist. If you think that a single descriptive applies to all people of a common hue you are a racist, If you call yourself white, or me black, negro, indian or whatever label you choose, you have elected to serve the racist agenda. When asked what my race is by the DMV, my response was HUMAN, The block was left blank on my license because I refuse to engage in serving the racist agenda which initiated the practice of politicizing skin color as though it rose to the level of empirical information about an individual. The only people who can legitimately qualify as racists, are those who have traditionally trafficked in the benefit derived from having the approved skin color. Your treatise seems like a weak attempt to shame Americans into not using the only word that denies a racist wiggling room.

  9. The only one making this a ‘R’ issue is your President and Holder and……, We don’t have a problem with other races, apparently you believe we do and that is where your problems begin. Frankly, we are sick and tired of it. We are so happy to have more and more diversity in the Republican party. Gee, I wonder why?

    • Oh, the Republican Party really believes in diversity. Especially, the Koch Brothers: Oil, paper products, electronics, anyway they are diverse.

      • How would you know. All you hear about is how bad Fox news is from the brain washer’s in charge MSNBC, Obummer and Hold-up.

        Oh by the way, what about Tom Steyer who single handedly obliterated the Keystone Pipeline….

        Steyer green billionaire is rallying other deep-pocketed donors, seeking to build a war chestthat would make his political organization, NextGen Climate Action, among the largest outside groups in the country, similar in scale to the conservative political network overseen by Charles and David Koch.

        In early February, Mr. Steyer gathered two dozen of the country’s leading liberal donors and environmental philanthropists to his 1,800-acre ranch in Pescadero, Calif. — which raises prime grass-fed beef — to ask them
        to join his efforts. People involved in the discussions say Mr. Steyer is seeking to raise $50 million from other donors to match $50 million of his own. …

        ….and you were saying about the Koch brothers? Oh and those wonderful electric cars you all so adore. You need electricity to run them right? The power plants that create the electricity are either Nuclear or Fuel……and since Obama is doing a fine job getting rid of the coal plants next year thousands of people in the East will be faced with no heat. Where is your compassion there. Do you really want the old and poor to freeze to death.

        As usual, you leap before you think.

        Get real!

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