By Cynthia Tucker

GOP Candidates Are Seeing Obamacare In A Different Light

June 7, 2014 12:00 am Category: Memo Pad, Politics 103 Comments A+ / A-
GOP Candidates Are Seeing Obamacare In A Different Light

In an interview with a reporter last month, Senator Thad Cochran (R-MS) “accidentally” made complimentary remarks about the Affordable Care Act, routinely known as Obamacare. (His campaign aides claim he misunderstood the question.) Some analysts say those remarks were among the missteps that have left the senator in danger of defeat as he faces a primary runoff against a Tea Party upstart, Chris McDaniel.

It’s possible that Cochran was confused when he told The Washington Post that the ACA “is an example of an important effort by the federal government to help make health care available, accessible and affordable.” It’s also possible that he committed the standard political gaffe as commentator Michael Kinsley defined it years ago: “… when a politician tells the truth — some obvious truth he isn’t supposed to say.”

Either way, Cochran’s comments are a reminder of a pronounced shift among Republican politicians discussing Obamacare on the campaign trail. Few of them are delivering feisty denunciations and declarations of repeal, as they did just a few months ago. Even in deeply conservative states, Republicans are muting their rhetoric, acknowledging positive tenets of the ACA and engaging in equivocation — or, in some cases, fabrication — to cover their tracks.

That’s because the political terrain has shifted beneath their feet. In practice, as its proponents have long predicted, the ACA has helped millions of people to obtain health care they would not have been able to afford otherwise. Surely it’s no surprise that few voters want to give up benefits they have just begun to enjoy.

That has meant some less-than-artful dodging by such indefatigable partisan warriors as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. In keeping with the GOP script, McConnell has been adamant about repealing the ACA.

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  • charleo1

    So this is what progress, or more like progressing, because that’s what the changing circumstances of our lives, stipulate we must do, looks like. The Right’s political interests, predictably on the side of corporate interests have of course, opposed any changes at all. Choosing the old staid politics, resisting the same powerful tidal economic changes, much of those same politics, have brought about. Of course they deny this, because they must. It’s the only way to hold for a while, what is untenable ground. And so now the reluctant admittances will become part of the inevitable process. Much of the South is going through the same processes. God, and guns, not being the only things they cling to. With the healthcare issue, the clinging is more about holding on to their version of normalcy. The normalcy, where things like food, housing, or healthcare, is provided by the Gov. to only poor, unsuccessful people. And should be provided as a last resort. The idea if people work hard, they will rise above the need for Gov. assistance. That is the normalcy they believe in. The thing that is so difficult to accept, is what was once true, and a source of pride. is no longer so in all cases. It is for them, like the acceptance of the passing away of their own dear Mother, it’s hard. And there is much consternation, and anger. Involving much wailing. But, in the end, there is no denying it. For there she lies, dead. Their dearly departed normalcy.

  • howa4x

    What is the most unbelievable in the republican resistance to the ACA is the fact that this is a republican plan, thought up by a republican think tank and implemented by a republican governor. It is rooted in the free market and places insurance companies’ profit at the head of the line which is what the mandate is about. This is why after 6 years of yipping and running around with their hair on fire republicans never came up with an alternative. So their only move was to get the public against it by mixing up facts with fiction, telling out right lies and doing what they do best, scaring people with death panel nonsense. They didn’t have their hand on the pulse of health issues because they ignored them during Bush II. They thought all those stories about thousands of people dying because they lacked access to care, were made up by left wingers. This is why they felt comfortable trying to kill the law, they simply didn’t understand the needs of their constituencies. They were so used to getting elected by bringing home the pork that stopped listening. Once they became victims of their own ideology of ending all the spending, the cupboard was bare and no more pork was to be found.
    They spent their entire time during Obama of opposing everything he did so they never did anything themselves. They could have easily fixed the problems in the law in a bi partisan fashion. So they resorted to lying again since it worked so well in 09. The problem is too many people have coverage and they know the lies are not true. Also so many republicans are on tape spouting lies and demanding repeal that all the democrats have to do is play them on a continuous loop. Also there is the problem of the tea party which as dug in for repeal and will take to the airways as republicans demanding it.
    In the states that didn’t take the expansion, which also happens to be the ones with the worst health outcomes, democrats are using this issue to rally people, as the moral Monday marches are doing. They now are up to 100,000 marchers. Also rural hospitals are closing in Georgia that lost 8, and Texas that are starting to loose them. So republicans created a hangman’s noose for Obama but it is beginning to fit them better.

    • jointerjohn

      You are absolutely correct sir/madam. What is most sad for our nation is that bunch of constant crybabies will simply shift over to the next thing to rag on. The party of no solutions, no suggestions, and no conciliation will just find the next thing to pick at. They now spend most of their energy inventing false scandals against our fine President. Isn’t it sad that our great country has one of it’s two major political parties full-time engaged in nothing more than voter discouragement? They have this sorry-assed core of followers who are permanently abject pessimists. A bunch of gun nuts, white supremacists, homophobes, Islamophobes, misogynists and the Bible thumpers who can’t stand it that it is not 1950 anymore.

      In my small city my old republican friends, (the Eisenhower/Nixon type of republicans) are abandoning their party in disgust. I can only hope that is happening on a broader scale.

      • charleo1

        Could not agree more John. No solutions, no suggestions,
        no conciliation, and spend their energy inventing false scandals. The only time their behavior is more objectionable, is when they are actually running things, and enacting their,
        ” solutions,” attacking other countries, setting up gulags,
        shilling for the rich, defunding public schools, and redefining rape, saying big gov. is evil, and working as hard as possible to make sure it is, and the Democrats get the blame.

        • jointerjohn

          Praise from you sir/madam is praise indeed. I have read your posts for some time now and found you to be a very solid thinker and adroit communicator.
          It appears to me that the current Republican Party has decided to court the lowest common denominator. Now that they own that undereducated electorate they seem to be feeding them intellectual junk food. What frightens me is that our countrymen appear to have become dumb enough to hand them control.

          • charleo1

            A big thanks to you. And very much likewise. I’m one of those White males the GOP is always pandering to. Or in my way of looking at it, insulting what I definitely do not consider to be an exceptional intelligence. But insulting it all the same. In fact, they [the Right] seem to be intentionally probing the depths of public cluelessness, and unfortunately being pleasantly surprised way too often. It seems like this to me. You’ve heard of reading between the lines? I hear entire conversations going on. Like: Old time Right Winger to T-Party Nut Job. Old time Pol. “I’ve been in this business 40 years, and you can’t go out there and say that. They’ll never believe it!” T-Party Nut: Watch this! Old Timer: “Well, I’ll be damned!” “How’d you know that?” Nut: Oh, Frank Luntz, group polling.” Or, “You know that Black brain surgeon, what’s his name?” Ben Carson? “Right!” “Said Obamacare was worse than 9/11, and slavery, and everybody loved it!” Ol’ Pol: Well, I’ll be damned!” Gives a whole new meaning to, “Drill Baby Drill.”

          • jointerjohn

            There is a limit to how many frightened, uninformed and stupid voters they can round up. When they hit that limit there will be nowhere to go. Having pandered to stupid, it will be difficult to recenter,but sadly our electorate is indeed truly stupid and they have attention spans of approximately two days maximum.

          • joe schmo

            FRIGHTENED! No, more like aware…. Huh, may I infringe….Your side has many naive and ignorant’s. Speak for yourself as well.

          • joe schmo

            Boy or boy have you gone off your rocker on this one. What a hypocritical idiot. So you are the supreme intellect over anything Conservative. WOW! there’s a swash of shit if I have ever heard it. Of course, you are but a mere suppository for Obama behind anyway. Why should I expect anything better. I for one will never see Obamacare in a good light.

            By the way, in case you don’t know it. If you think that there are more Liberals than Conservatives you are sadly mistaken. Neither party has shifted into either direction between 1990-2013. We’re about even so think about that before you get on your high horse and think there are soooo many more of you in this country. Unfortunately, you are the bully minions at the moment. Hopefully as things get worse the pendulum will again swing in the other direction….. Can’t wait to say….I told you so….

          • charleo1

            First let me say, I’m concerned about whatever, or whoever you’re listening to during the day, that has you in this state of mind at 2:30 AM. It’s a receipt for a stroke or heart attack. And, wouldn’t that be ironic? You keel over, upset about something I’d be willing to bet hasn’t effected your actual healthcare one bit. How do I know? I live in FL. in Miami-Dade County, with one of the highest rates of uninsured people this side of TX. With millions of elderly, lots of military, and lots of working poor service sector workers, and a race for Governor going on. Where the only issue involving healthcare, is the political problem incumbent Governor, and T-Party darling, Rick Scott is having, due to his refusal to expand Medicaid, and thereby, cover all these uninsured, waiters, maids, valets, busboys, Sunglass Hut mall workers, and taxi drivers. That will need to continue to swamp the State’s emergency rooms, costing us taxpayers, nearly a billion, in unnecessary, and very avoidable healthcare costs because of it. Now to me, that’s a hypocritical idiot. A Governor elected by the T-Party, who’s now evident lie was, stop the spending, lower taxes, and create jobs, jobs, jobs. Has proven himself, once again, an absolute fraud in all of the above. While my healthcare costs have indeed, increased. The increase has been less in the last year, than of any of the previous 18. Since about, ’96, when they started to blow up, the increases have totaled a whopping, 500%! What has happened since the T-Party took over in my State is, property taxes, and sales taxes have increased, due to fewer State funds for County services. What has also increased is, State, and County licensing fees for businesses, entrance fees to State Parks, County construction inspection fees, (necessary in a hurricane zone,) restaurant inspection fees, tag, and title, and drivers license fees quadrupled. It’s called soaking the Middle Class, and the poor. The young, the small business owner, and the elderly on a fixed income. While gifting over 300 million tax free, dollars to corporate outfits like Florida Power & Light, the Sugar Corporations, the privately owned, Charter School lobby, all big donors to Gov. Scott’s campaign, in the interest of, “job creation,” without a single string attached, or any person charged with keeping records of the give-a-ways, as to their effectiveness of creating any jobs. This is what you get in from ideologues, posing as Conservatives, feeding a poorly informed, perhaps truly conservative base, a line of carefully contrived BS. So this is what I’m talking about. I’m not just making this stuff up. And,, it’s not actually so much about whether there are more Democrats than Republicans. (There are Nationwide.) Or, less Left leaning, than Right leaning. But, it’s really about, if there are more dumb people willing to swallow some more of the garbage the radical Right Wing is spouting out. Or more intelligent, and informed people, voting in their best interests. Unless you believe we’d all be better off running around like church mice, while a comparatively few ultra rich set up a modern version of a European like-Feudal System. With everyone kowtowing to their every special interest. If so, or you can’t see where that’s happening. Then, we’re not going to agree on the basics. Tell you what. Why don’t you get some rest. Think about it, and tell me why you don’t believe much of the politics, and policy of the Right, is not trying to help set such a system up.

        • itsfun

          Just one of many plans and ideas from the GOP

          Congressman Tom Price said Monday he has a plan to replace Obamacare, but that President Obama is willfully ignoring Republican-led plans.

          “The American people know that he’s not telling the truth,” the Georgia Republican told “Fox and Friends.”

          Mr.
          Price said his legislation allows people to buy insurance across state
          lines and lets individuals have the same tax breaks on the purchase of
          insurance that companies enjoy. It also would also fund coverage for people with pre-existing conditions through federal block grants to states that opt to set up high-risk pools.

          Mr.
          Price said the White House has not responded to his ideas — despite
          public remarks that suggest the GOP has no alternative to Obamacare —
          and his legislation is unlikely to gain traction while Democrats control
          the White House and Senate.

          The Affordable
          Care Act is considered to be Mr. Obama’s signature legislative
          achievement. For now, the White House is trying to overcome early
          stumbling blocks in the implementation of the three-year-old law.

          Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/dec/16/rep-tom-price-white-house-wont-listen-my-health-re/#ixzz3434XNsbr

          Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

          • charleo1

            Well, you know what I’d say to Mr. Price? I’d say he’s a little late. And, he probably knows why the Right Wing hasn’t come up with many suggestions for remedying the collapsing coverage, and the run-away costs, of our National healthcare crisis. Is because, fundamentally, Obamacare is their market based solution to increasing the number of privately insured individuals. From the Republicans proposed use of private for profit insurance cos. to mandating that individuals buy coverage from them, to the gov. subsidizing low income individual’s premiums, to eliminating exclusions for pre-existing conditions, having enroll periods, to expanding the State-Federal co-funded Medicaid program for the poverty level-plus 400% individuals. All of it. If they were least bit interested in enacting either of the two band-aids Mr. Price is talking about, they controlled Congress for 12 years. With Bush as President for half of that time.
            The reason they didn’t pass these changes is they are hugely unpopular with Republicans themselves. Employers like their special tax status in this regard,
            and would fight sharing it with individuals. And State’s Rights proponents would never accede to being forced to abide by the standards for coverage, and reimbursement levels for providers in their States, being set for insurance cos. by another State. Plus, this crisis didn’t just suddenly appear with the
            inauguration of Barack Obama. And if Mr. Price is saying he’s waiting for a WH response to those suggestions, he’s either not aware they are not new
            suggestions, or he’s another Pol coming on Fox to BS. their tragically misinformed audiences. I have my guess, how about you?

          • itsfun

            The point was the GOP did have health care ideas and plans. They were never allowed out of committee by the controlling political party. Its not correct to say the GOP had no ideas or plans for health care. They did, we were never allowed to see them.

          • charleo1

            Ever see them listed out in their entirety, these healthcare ideas, and plans? Explaining each, as to how they would work? Put up for public debate. Any articles stating as much? You do know not making it out of committee did not prohibit their dissemination into the public sphere right? The amount of time between Senate Committee, and passage of ACA was what 2 years? So, it wasn’t for a lack of time to explain those ideas. It was a lack of ideas, other than those ideas included in their original plan, on which ACA was based. You research it, and see if that’s not the case.

          • Allan Richardson

            The problem with the perennial “sell across state lines” suggestion is that if policyholders have no choice but to buy insurance that is being marketed in another state, and the insurance company shafts them with a “gotcha” clause that THEIR state allows them to get away with (and why else would they BE based in that state?), the policyholder has no practical recourse except to file suit in the company’s home state, which an impoverished or disabled (due to the illness they won’t cover, most likely) may not be able to carry out. And that is exactly the “protection” that crooked companies would depend on!

          • charleo1

            Another good point. I’ve spent countless hours
            attempting to explain to those who hear the Right
            Wingers say this across State lines bit, over and over. As if it was some magic something that would
            somehow fix the majority of the problems, if the Dems, would just allow it. But, won’t because they,
            now fill in the blank. They want the Federal Gov. to
            rule our lives. They are working for George Soros, who owns billions of health insurance stock. And
            so on. It’s a ridiculous proposition. First of all, what
            would happen the major insurance cos. would immediately shop the States for one most willing to
            provide them the most lenient regulatory regimen.
            Then what they are proposing is that the Federal Gov. “allow,” companies to sell this now weakly regulated products Nationwide. “Allow,” here, translated as, forced. The States regulations would be usurped by the Federal ones. Now, does that sound like anything Republicans could actually pass? Hell no!

          • joe schmo

            Of course Obama ignores. He ignores and ignores and ignores. What comes round goes round….and you wonder why Congress is unwilling to work with him. It takes two to tango and Obama is just not diplomatic. It is his way or the highway. Is that really a way to run a country? Whether you are willing to admit it or not our politics on both sides affects everyone.

          • kiptw

            You’re projecting. GOP leaders in Congress announced they would refuse to cooperate in any way with the White House before Obama even took office.

          • joe schmo

            Why don’t you tell me how you know this?….I am almost sure it came from sources like MSNBC…. Obama always wants it his way, you can see that he does not want to work with Republicans. It is just too obvious. He gets his way more often than not…

          • kiptw

            It was on all the networks. They said it in public, like they were proud of it, with cameras going and microphones recording. You’d have to have the memory of a goldfish not to remember it, but given your comments here, I suppose it’s possible.

          • joe schmo

            On allllll the networks? Why don’t you find a segment somewhere and post me a link…..

          • kiptw

            If you were susceptible to evidence, you wouldn’t have the obvious lack of credibility that you exhibit here. I don’t care to go back and forth with an incorrigible weaseler all day.

          • joe schmo

            What! What an arrogant ass. This tells me that you are not sure? Your credibility is showing. Typical Liberal, can’t be bothered with facts. Conservatives always state facts and problem solve. That is how we are different. No wonder you listen to the ‘almighty’ you are too lazy to research. Conservatives are weaklings in one way but stand their ground for their constituents in others. That says more for them than your side.

            “President Obama
            likes to talk about being ‘the adult in the room’ — but there’s nothing ‘adult’ about political grandstanding,” House Speaker John A. Boehner
            said. “If the president wants to do something productive, he can start by delivering on his promise to outline his own recommendations to rein in the massive deficits and debt that are undermining job creation in our country.”

            Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/11/obama-defense-congress-at-fault/#ixzz34G6PvZop

            Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

            Gee I wonder why Congress won’t work with the man. He never gives in and only wants to impale us with his ideology. I hope you are happy because it is working in ruining our nation and tearing us apart. Who’s the weasler now! If the senate gets taken over…..lame duck!!!!!

          • kiptw
          • joe schmo

            Oh dear! Time magazine. A Liberal think tank. Sorry….not buying it. Find something unbiased? Hard to do because most media sources are one way or the other….. Let’s just call a spade a spade and realize both sides are working against each other and it is slopping over onto us.

            Deny away. It’s what you do too…….

          • kiptw

            Called it.

          • joe schmo

            Told you so……..

          • Duckbudder

            July 10 2011
            On Fox News Sunday, Bret Baier asked him if he stands by his previous statement that “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President.” McConnell confirmed that his goal remains unchanged.
            “Well that is true, [making Obama a one-term President is] my single most important political goal along with every active Republican in the country.

          • joe schmo

            With Cantor winning the trend will continue. Specifically if this border issue is pursued. You want more extreme (what you think is exteme) and you are gonna get it from the people not the representatives. We are sick of Obama’s actions and inactions. This immigration thing is putting it over the edge. McConnell and Boehner better get their RINO asses together. We are sick of the lot of them. Their weakness has us in an uproar. If you guys knew more about us like I know about you all then you would see the writing on the wall. WE WANT CHANGES and not the kind that Obama is giving us. Don’t you see that he is selling us down the drain. Get your blinders off.

          • Duckbudder

            Better brush up on your reading skills Schmo, Cantor LOST.

            Also Deportations have gone up under the Obama admin.

            http://www.statisticbrain.com/number-of-u-s-deportations/

          • joe schmo

            Oops, Brat won. That’s what I meant:)

      • johninPCFL

        Interestingly enough, while Eisenhower was in uniform he had no professed political leanings. In those days (and maybe today) a general officer had to be positioned to accept orders from whomever was commander-in-chief, no matter what party. When he was approached to run in 1952, Truman went first, the GOP second. The GOP offer guaranteed that Eisenhower would spend none of his own money in the race; that he would run unopposed. The Democrat party could not (AES was running no matter what).

      • howa4x

        We can only hope that the republican moderates known as RINO’s in their part come out of hiding and start dragging the party to the middle, otherwise soon they will be a smaller angrier all white party that only has strength in the south, far west and mid west

      • joe schmo

        LOL crybabies. You call this great healthcare. So far I see nothing but issues. You want to be more like Europe well you have gotten your way but I know how the system works because we have family in Europe who were Drs. They opened a private clinic so that they could give those who could afford it quality healthcare. You shall one day see this come to pass. I see it nowadays happening already. Many Drs. no longer are taking insurance of any kind. No standing in line…..

        You will never see the error of your ways because you don’t know what you are asking for. Down the road you will be standing in line. If the VA situation is any indication of what’s to come, the whole insurance thing will be a complete disaster. We can only hope people get angry enough that it will once again shift.

        Broader scale, nope. You are the minion bullies who think you are the majority. I guess you want to see Rome burn and most likely you will….. Why would anyone want to join a party of Communists. Certainly not me!

        • howa4x

          Do you actually think we have government run healthcare in this country? There is a mandate that you buy private insurance, from a profit making company. How is that communist or socialist? The Medicare expansion is for the working poor only. Everybody in the HC system makes a profit, including doctors, facilities and big Pharma. The only thing the government actually runs in an underfunded VA that got swamped with patients from 2 simultaneous wars. You complain about HC is Europe? France is rated # 2 in the world for overall health of the population by the world health organization. In fact every industrialized country in Europe is rated higher than us. We are ranked at # 34 just below Costa Rica. Get your facts straight

          • joe schmo

            LOL, Obummercare is heading straight for ‘single-payer.’ Obamacare is meant to fail. We are told what Dr. we can see and we have to wait in line to get to see that Dr. If you have a provider and need to see a specialist, you first have to see the provider who will then send you to a specialist and then of course the specialist has to approve you. And what if the Dr. you are assigned to is a prick? You have no choice you have to see the idiot. Many people have to pay higher premiums. I have even heard Liberals complain about the fact that their premiums went up.

            News for you. Drs. will eventually not like the system and some are already using cash only. Pharma is a huge problem in this country. All they want is the big bucks. There is a big nasty Corp that you should all hate. Instead of testing cheaper safer drugs all they really want is the money from drugs meant to kill you. I have said it before, my family has Dr’s in Europe who built a private clinic so that those who wanted to pay cash could get quality care. As for France it has it’s own issues at the moment. Their government has the people over taxed and they are becoming very anti-immigrant. Europe is waking up. Things may start to change for them. They are also thinking about dissolving the EU and becoming their own entities once again. You see globalism is not all that easy to achieve.

            I agree our system was not working and I don’t believe health savings accounts are totally the answer because some people just don’t make enough money unless a company takes a bit out each month and perhaps the government can match it. This way, perhaps, both sides will be happy.

          • howa4x

            The Gate keeper you are talking about dates back to the early 90’s. It was put in place by the insurance companies to prevent you from going directly to a specialist when you may not need one, and wanted a physician to access you prior to you going further into the medical system. The ACA, create or didn’t alter that process.
            Just so you understand this what you call Obamacare is a FOX derogatory term to describe changes to the insurance system. It was originally thought up by the heritage foundation as an answer to Hillarycare and was presented on the senate floor by Bob Dole and Orrin Hatch. It was 1st tried in Mass. by republican governor Mitt Romney who made a video asking Obama to consider it as a national program. The professor from MIT that wrote Romneycare wrote the ACA.
            It has two different missions. 1st is to stop excess by the insurance companies like dropping you for pre existing condition or denying you coverage for he same reason. Also it removes the 1 million lifetime cap, lets kids stay on their parents policy till 26. It also extends Medicaid to cover the working poor. On the cost containment issue, they established e-records so your permanent medical record travels with you so each doctor will know what has been done before, and If a surgeon botches the surgery Medicare doesn’t have to pay for corrective surgery. This is going out to private hospitals also.
            I agree with you that Big Pharma is only interested in making drugs that maintain your condition rather than cure you. It is a perverse incentive in the system that profits on your illness but not your wellness.
            Have a good day

          • joe schmo

            Well, the gatekeeper needs changing and the Romneycare policy you mention was not endorsed by Romney for the entire nation. He as much said so. You would think then the Liberals would have thought a bit more out of the box or at least researched the process a bit more instead of jumping right in feet first and drowning us. Medicaid has always taken care of the poor as has Medicare taken care of the chronically ill. (I am one of those on Medicare so I know this and I have a friend on Medical so I am also familiar with the fact that the poor have always gotten Medical). Problem with Medical is that you cannot see the Dr. of your choice and that is bad. Because there are some horrible Drs. out there, not to mention that they look down on Medical patients. Not only that. When you get diagnosed with something beyond a GP’s scope you have to be referred to a physician and that physician has to accept you on his list of Medical patients. It is not working at the moment.

            The record part I like, however; I saw such a system in the future anyway due to social networking and the internet. It was a long time in coming but a true necessity for anyone who is chronically ill. I have had to carry around a folder of health test results for years. Luckily I have had the same Drs. for years. Some of them are no longer taking insurance and I have to pay cash…a lot.

            Yah, the FDA and big Pharma are a raquet.

          • howa4x

            My experience to comment comes from being in Public health and running primary care clinics, being on the NJ state health planning board for 3 years, chair of a 4 county planning process for 5 yrs. and being on the board of directors of a teaching hospital for 10 years. This is why I know when the gate keeper concept started. It began in the private insurance market as part of managed care. Medicare adopted it later as did Medicaid. The ACA expanded Medicaid to cover more of the working poor. Because of a Supreme court ruling 20 states chose to not except it. it is estimated that between 7-70 thousand people will die due to lack of access.
            As for Romney, it’s not what he said in the campaign it is what he said as Governor. You can probably locate on U-tube

          • joe schmo

            Well, I certainly will not argue with your experience. Yet, it is debatable as to whether in the long run ‘single payer’ (which is what you are all shooting for will work) If the VA is any indicator……… Waiting in line for treatment will become an issue. As indicated by the latest news from a Chicago hospital where more and more people are taking advantage of the Emergency room.

          • howa4x

            First off not all VA hospitals failed. Walter Reed VA hospital is where the president and congress go and that is working fine, so you can’t use broad brush terms. The reasons for failure parts of the rest of the system were twofold. 1st being funding. the congress never appropriated enough funds to meet demand so there were acutely underfund hospitals that lacked staffing and 2 the surge of patients that entered the system at once over whelmed it. We had 2 wars going on simultaneously and soldiers coming in with a newly recognized disorder called PTSD, as well as missing limbs. These presented a more complex set of injuries, that required more time spent with each patient.
            During the rush for war in 2003 planners should have anticipated this and provided enough funding to the system.

          • joe schmo

            Very interesting but in a sense also unfair. Why should the VA in Washington be any better than any other VA hospital anywhere else in the country? Perhaps some of the money that was reduced for the military should go into the VA budget. I think many Conservatives are a bit unnerved at the moment because of the VA scandal. For them it reflects on Obamacare. I know that Medicare works because I have been on if for over 30 years. Only problem is that it has gotten a bit worse since I began to get it. Hopefully as time goes on things will simmer down and get better:)

          • Patricia Robertson

            You are wrong about medicaid, you have to be almost poor to qualifiy for medicaid and it harder for a single person to get it unless they have a child. Their is a income level that has to be met so everyone to do not qualify. A family of four can miss the cut off by two dollars and don’t qualify for medicaid so they are left with no insurance or no healthcare coverage. They are told that if they spend xxx amount in medical bills they would qualify, now what person who is trying to make ends meet would have the time to run up xxxxamount of dr bills just to get medicaid for only six months and have to do it all over again. So your friend’s income is probable at the level where they qualify for medicaid, so you don’t know as much about medicaid as you think. The republicans who pretend they are against the expansion aren’t really against it they just think they are hurting the president but what they are finding out that the american people are turning against them and not the president. They took the wrong gamble and thought the people would go against the president and the ACA but they are finding out that as more people who is signing up and getting the insurance and like what they have they are telling everyone and that is making a big difference. So they are the ones with the egg on their face.

          • joe schmo

            Bullshit! I know several people on Medicaid. All I can say is that it is awful! But, nonetheless, they have to have it. They are not allowed to see other Drs. than those that have been assigned to them (come to think of it sounds kind of like Obamacare because I also know people who have a plan and cannot select their Drs.) The Drs. who have been assigned to Medicaid recipients are either demeaning (look down on their patients and rude or they are under qualified (as in interns). Some are just not the greatest Drs out there. I know of one woman who was on Medicaid. She had an appointment at Stanford Medical Center in Cupertino,CA. She had driven 6 hours in hopes to talk to a Dr. and get a procedure done. The receptionist told her they could not take her even after Medicaid had approved the Hospital. Reason I know this, I was sitting in the waiting room. They were still deliberating when I had to leave for my appointment.

            As far as Obamacare itself, well some people signed up for it because they did not want to pay a penalty. They were FORCED to sign up for one of those deplorable plans at the last minute. Did you see millions jump on it right away? Hec, no! Remember, ‘you can keep your plan.’ What a liar. That is the only thing Obama knows how to do well. I also know of others who will just pay the penalty. Time will tell and I can guess if it doesn’t get better, new ideas will be brought to the table and Obamacare will be toast.

            So smarty pants, do more research. You don’t OWN this country. Things can change in the blink of an eye and about all those executive orders,,,,, well someone new can come in a scrap all of them:)

            Since I am constantly being prodded by you people about my spelling and grammar, just wanted to mention, your grammar typifies our liberal education system.

    • Dominick Vila

      You are correct. The determination of modern day Republicans to oppose anything their nemesis proposes, even when it involves their own idea, and deprives them of the opportunity to take credit for long overdue improvements beneficial to our society and our business community. They did it to themselves, and they are now paying dearly for their obfuscation. The electorate is not interested in candidates whose agenda starts and ends with the word no. They want people with a relevant record and a vision of what needs to be done to meet the challenges we are facing.

      • howa4x

        They have to stop appealing to a cohort of angry older people and recognize the shift that is happening in front of them. Wait till the older people understand(maybe) that the republicans want to take their SS and Medicare and hand it over to Wall St to play Roulette with it, and have no regulations on how to invest. When that day comes and it will, the GOP will be left with the evangelicals, Chamber of Commerce and the NRA as their only true constituency, and if Hillary runs she will suck the oxygen out of the election.

        • Dominick Vila

          I am truly amazed by the ambivalence of senior citizens to GOP proposals such as privatizing Social Security, dismantling MEDICARE, and refusing the expand MEDICAID. The most egregious claim made by the GOP, the party that, allegedly, favors spending reductions, was to accuse Democrats of “cutting” over $700B from MEDICARE. Many seniors still believe that garbage, even though our MEDICARE benefits remain the same and the program has been strengthened as a result of the savings achieved by the introduction of more effective and efficient processes and oversight.

          • howa4x

            Seniors especially can’t understand the alphabet soup of all the government programs. 700 billion was taken from an overpayment to Medicare advantage program, not Medicare

          • Yappy2

            I am 80 and I don’t like the insinuation that all senior citizens don’t know what is going on. I don’t think all of you younger people understand that 700 billion was taken from the Medicare advantage programs and was used to expand medicaid. I am glad to see that some people are getting better care but it shouldn’t be at the expense of senior citizens. The insurance companies are now making a bundle off of senior citizens as my premiums and co-pays went up and some things have been cut out. It is more complicated to get care. Money should not be taken from Medicare to expand medicaid.I don’t think you understand what a Medicare Advantage plan is.

          • howa4x

            I’m on Medicare but not on 100 meds. There was an overpayment to Medicare advantage and that is where the money came from. The problem you are taking about is the hole in coverage where you have to get it from the private sector. That is the Medicare Advantage program. It was created not to help seniors but to cut the insurance companies into the market. Medicare should cover everything. So what do you think will happen with the Ryan budget where you will be given a health voucher 1x per year and if you go over it tough luck instead of Medicare. Think about that when you vote.

          • charleo1

            Exactly! If the for profit insurance cos. wanted the 65, and over market. With it’s, weak hipped, wobbly kneed, artery clogged, SS dependent, enrollees. They’d have jumped on it in mass, a long time ago. By extending all of their employers plans. Paul Ryan is essentially a morally challenged, shyster. With the mentality likened to the Mob. But without the Mob’s
            charm, or social conscience. My thoughts are, if the
            elderly hate Obama enough to let a cretin like Paul Ryan talk them into cutting their own kids throats to stick their thumb in this President’s eye. Their kids
            ought to immediately have them declared mentally
            unstable, and stick them in the nearest old folks home.

          • howa4x

            This s the FOX generation where voting against yourself is a common theme. This is the most easily duped and fooled generation to ever come along. The tea party which these clowns belong to, Their candidate in the Mississippi wants to stop taking federal dollars. So right not they get 3.07 for every dollar they send the DC and they want 0. are these brilliant people or what?

          • charleo1

            Of course, that’s what they tell them. Like Perry of TX. made a big in public about turning down the stimulus money. Then, quietly took it, and attended
            ribbon cutting ceremonies at public projects built with the funds he threatened to leave the Union over. Why do people let such public lying continue
            without any consequence is concerning. Because it
            will not be without it’s costs somewhere down the line.

          • howa4x

            Climate change will turn around everything soon enough. There’s already a town in Texas that has run out of drinking water, and they are piping the cleaned sewerage water into the drinking water lines. The republican mayor has already passed severe restrictions on water use including the prohibition of washing your own car. This is taking place in an anti regulatory state, and it’s just the beginning. Both Texas and Arizona will probably run very short of water in the next 5 years. Drought will become the norm. This will be the true test of the Tea parties ability to govern and we will see how far the Perry philosophy gets them.

          • Yappy2

            I am not on 100 meds either and I don’t come remotely close to the donut hole. I have a medicare advantage plan that covers office visits, hospital stays and prescriptions and, that is where Obama took the money from to widen MEDICAID. He took it from people over 65. Don’t get me wrong because, I am not for the Paul Ryan or any republican plan, but you are wrong on where the money came from and to who it is going. I know that the insurance companies are making a bundle off of us but it is not just the Republicans that are into the deep pockets of the insurance companies.

          • Independent1

            I think you’re still misunderstanding the 716B, it is not being taken from current recipients. See this:

            Obamacare does not literally cut funding from the Medicare program’s budget. Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program.

            The spending reductions were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law made significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

            Hospitals, too, will be paid less if they have too many re-admissions, or if they fail to meet other new benchmarks for patient care.

            The overall Medicare budget is projected to go up for the foreseeable future, even with the health care law’s cost-saving measures. The law tries to limit the program’s growth, though, making it less than it would have been without the law, but not reducing its overall budget. So claims that Obama would “cut” Medicare need more explanation to be fully accurate. In the past, we’ve rated similar statements Half True or Mostly False, depending on the wording and context.

            $716 billion

            In 2011, the CBO determined that the federal health care law would reduce Medicare outlays by $507 billion between 2012 and 2021. In a more recent estimate released this year, the CBO looked at the years 2013 to 2022 and determined the health care law affected Medicare outlays by $716 billion.

            So it’s timing that’s making the cuts bigger, not changes to Medicare. And the cuts are from future spending, not the program’s current budget.

          • Yappy2

            It is you that misunderstands where that money was taken from and who it was given to. They cut money from the Medicare Advantage plans so that they could expand MEDICAID. I know that President George W Bush started the Medicare Advantage plans.and I also know that some of the plans became caddilac plans and that is where they should of cut, not from the general plans. Money shouldn’t be taken from Medicare to expand Medicaid period.

          • howa4x

            It’s because seniors don’t understand the coverage. I’ve seen them wearing shirts that say tell the government to keep it’s hands off my Medicare. that in in nutshell is how much they understand

          • Dominick Vila

            Some of the things that so many people believe, and that demagogues don’t hesitate to exploit, are hard to believe, and are a reflection of the ignorance that is evident everywhere we look.
            Another example of ignorance – and cynical brainwashing – is the fact that many seniors believe the $714B in savings, achieved by changing the way medical PROVIDERS are paid, eliminating duplication in testing, and other process improvements, was a cut in benefits, which obviously never happened. The most fascinating part of the latter, because of its overt cynicism was the proposal advanced by the GOP in 2012 to CUT $600B from the MEDICARE Part B budget. Perhaps not surprisingly, nobody blinked an eye or paid any attention to it. Why? Because the Democratic party does not know how to fight, or is convinced that our electorate is intelligent enough to discern the truth without being told.

          • howa4x

            I was involved in the illness intervention, and disease maintenance system as a Bd member of a hosp. Seniors of which I’m one are being ripped off my the medical/Pharma system every day. They are used a test subjects for drugs and most doctors subscribe them to win economic favor from drug companies. How the system is financed is very complicated and most have no understanding. The Greedy Oil Party preys on this ignorance to spread lies, and works24/7 to convince seniors to vote against themselves and their children and grand children

          • Dominick Vila

            My wife suffers from severe arthritis. The pain she feels makes it hard for her to even walk. When she was referred to a pain management specialist a couple of weeks ago, the doctor was clearly perplexed when she told him, in no uncertain way, that she does not want to take pain medication. People are so hooked on placebos that they can no longer function without them, and many are addicted to them and having serious problems as a result. You are right, many doctors take the easy way out, when they don’t know what to do or are more interested in getting kick backs from the pharma industry than practicing medicine.

          • howa4x

            This is why so man people are addicted t pain killers

        • Yappy2

          I have understood what the Republicans have wanted to do for a long time. They tried to put Social Security on Wall Street and they have tried to get rid of Medicare for a long time. It’s not the old people, as you call us, it’s older people that believe all the right wing nuts. I have 2 sisters and one of them listens to Fox and she brain washes the other one with all the bull they spew.

          • howa4x

            I’m an older American at age 66 but still can think it through and get my News from PBS. I’ve seen older men wearing tee shirts that say tell the government to keep their hands off my Medicare, not even knowing the government runs it. These are the people that vote against their own interests and are so selfish that as long as they got their benefits, they want to deny them to children and everyone else. This is who the republican party ha become.

          • Yappy2

            Until I was 75,other than when my children were born was I in a hospital overnight, to have my tonsils taken out at 39, and that was just one night and since then I had one knee replaced, I had strep pneumonia ,and was put in for observation for 2 days because my blood pressure was jumping around when I went to the doctor for a sore throat.I would say that is pretty good for a person 80 years old. I live by myself, take care of myself and my home and just because I am old doesn’t mean I am a worthless glob of nothing that should be put in an old folks home. I don’t want to deny anyone anything and I think that a country as wealthy as this country is should be able to take care of everyone. I don’t understand why people vote against their own interest either. I am not a Republican and think the president that put us on this horrible path was Ronald Reagan.

      • itsfun

        My guess is you will be greatly disappointed come November.

        • Dominick Vila

          You are guessing wrong. Like I have said before, I expect the GOP to increase the number of seats they hold in the House, and in the Senate. In fact, there is an even chance of them getting control of the Senate in November.
          Democrats don’t do well in midterm elections, and to make matters worse there are more Democrats running for re-election, some in red states and districts. We are notorious for our lack of party discipline, and our political ambivalence. The latter only changes when there is a very compelling reason for us to vote.

    • joe schmo

      ….and it will most likely end up like the VA situation. Knowing how socialized medicine works in Europe, I doubt that it will ever be very good. They are going to shut up and put up for now but when it gets bad private healthcare may be the way to go. By private I mean you pay money out of your own pocket to see what ever doctor you want. This way you get better quality healthcare in the long run.

      • Dominick Vila

        Socialized medicine works very well in Europe. In fact, the UK highlighted it as one of its greatest achievements during the last Olympics. Like every other government system, it is far from perfect, but compared to what we had before, and even ACA, they are ions ahead of us and making sure cost effective and adequate healthcare is available to everyone. Needless to say, they pay hefty taxes for what they get…which they don’t mind. In our case, we pay hefty taxes to pay for crusades…and most of us don’t seem to mind.

        • paulyz

          My niece married a man from London. After a few years living in England, they both moved to the U.S. During Christmas I asked him if he is on England’s socialized medicine. He said even though he paid high taxes to get that health care, he said it was terrible and he had been paying for years for his own private health insurance.

          Many companies had offered Health Care to it’s employees as a benefit. Now the costs to the companies are excessive and many either don’t offer it or their employees pay a high premium and deductables/co-pays. Health insurance is like any other insurance, like auto-insurance. If you decide you don’t want insurance, and take a chance, you then have to suffer the consequences. Trouble is, the people in lower income groups, or people that are irresponsible and would rather spend their money on other things, end up without health insurance, and many don’t have anything to lose, like a house if they rent, so they just walk into an Emergency Room if they get sick or injured. There are also people with (hidden-assets) that use Emergency Room care and claim they have low income, and pay little or nothing for health care, thereby driving up costs to everyone else. Add to this the Millions of Illegal “immigrants” using basically FREE health care, and the problem becomes worse.

          • Dominick Vila

            I know people with fairly large investments and assets who use Emergency Rooms and MEDICAID to get the healthcare they need. Emergency room care should be limited to what it was intended for, emergencies. Stricter rules must be in place to determine the true assets of MEDICAID recipients, and those caught cheating the system should be prosecuted. Interestingly, the people I mentioned above don’t hesitate to criticize our “socialist” programs…while they take advantage of them.
            Don’t confuse the millions of Hispanics-Latinos that you see in Emergency Rooms and other government institutions with “illegal immigrants”. The overwhelming majority of the Hispanics-Latinos that you see in our hospitals and schools are here legally. Some are Puerto Ricans who are U.S. citizens the moment they are born by virtue of the fact that PR is a U.S. territory. Cubans have been granted asylum and a fast track to citizenship since President Reagan signed a law to that effect. Last, but not least, the ancestors of many of the Mexican-Americans we see were born in states like Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and Colorado since long before the Mayflower arrived. Bear in mind that most illegal immigrants don’t get near a government facility and remain in the shadows for fear of deportation if they get caught.

            Our former system was expensive and excluded care to those who could not afford to pay the high premiums, and to folks who serious illnesses whose care would be too costly to the insurance companies. It bordered in inhumane. Is ACA perfect? Not by a long shot, but it is a lot better than what we had before.

          • joe schmo

            LOL, you know I have a chronic medical condition. It will be harder and harder to get into a doctor because of Obamacare because I know all too well how the European system runs. I have used the Emergency room quite often. It was the only way to get treatment and get answers to a problem that I had right away. As far as not having treatment for a chronic condition or serious illness. That is pure bullshit. I have been sick for over 30 years. I had better medical care 30 years ago than I do now. If you haven’t lived it how would you even have a clue. You are gesturing. IT IS NOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. We did need a change but not the kind of change Obama gave us.

            FYI, where are you from? I live in the most Hispanic populated state in the Union and you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Cheating the system huh and not Mexicans. Go figure. Typical Liberal remark. I know how the vineyards run. Many illegals work for contractors on these farms and many will go to the emergency room for every little scrape and bruise they have. Guess who has to pay for it. Of course, we do!

            You stick up for every one every where else but you don’t want to help the people in your own country. You will stick up for traitors and criminals, you will allow the entire South American continent to come here to work if you could specifically when we barely have enough work for ourselves. You expect us to help countries monetarily that hate our guts. You would deny our veterans the best medical care that this country has to offer. How much more can we sustain until we too collapse and become a 3rd world nation. All we let in are the undereducated. We need to help our own people before we go out and save the world. Charity starts at home and until the economy is back on track, I think freebies to anyone anywhere else should be nada.

            Boo hoo hoo, this is so typical and you think self-less of you when reality it is selfish. You are selling your own Country down the drain just by the words you have written in your post. You are the problem with America. It’s time to get a grip and bring back balance so get off your high horse.

          • Dominick Vila

            I am very sorry about your chronic illness. Honestly, I don’t understand how having access to affordable healthcare can be worse than relying on Emergency Room care. That simply does not make any sense. You are not the only person with serious medical problems. I have kidney and colon cancer. I was fortunate, my former employer offered outstanding insurance coverage and a good retirement plan. Since I retired, MEDICARE covered 80% of the cost associated with the medical problems I have. My supplemental insurance, for which I pay very high premiums, covered the rest.

            I was born in Brooklyn, New York City. I lived overseas for almost 30 years. When I retired we moved to Florida, where most Hispanics are from Puerto Rico and Cuba, but before my retirement I worked in California, Maryland, and visited Texas, New Mexico and Alabama often as a result of work requirements. I am fully aware of the fact that the Hispanic-Latino demographics in Florida is very different from that in the other states I cited.

            I only support foreign aid when it involves humanitarian crises. If it was up to me we would not give a dime to most of the countries we give money to, ostensibly, as bribes to buy influence or achieve geo-political goals. I don’t support allowing an unrestricted influx of immigrants from Latin America or anywhere else. I support immigration reform that is fair, that addresses out labor needs, and that is designed to solve the illegal immigration problem we have experienced during the past several decades. I support a path to citizenship for children of illegal immigrants born in the USA because that is their constitutional right, and for those who were brought to this country as children because minors are not responsible for what their parents do. As for adult illegal immigrants, my preference is Sen. McCain’s proposal” a guest worker program.

          • joe schmo

            Well, Dominick, I am so sorry to hear that you have or have had kidney and colon cancer. Not fun, since I have colon issues of my own. I feel for you. I have had medicare for a long time, however; it has gotten somewhat worse because Drs. that use to except it sometimes, nowadays, do not. I am lucky that I have Medicare because it does pay 80%. I had to have a port-a-cath put into my chest in 2010. I am just getting the bill. I feel bad that the hospital had to go back and forth on the fee until now. It’s really ridiculous how slow and unorganized the government is and, of course, they don’t pay what the hospital asks for.

            As for the rest of your post, again I agree with most of it. To some degree, with the exception of immigration reform. The old Bracero program was a good one. It allowed workers to come here using a green card. They were not allowed to bring their ENTIRE family. They sent money home and, at the end of the season, went home. Even though I am not a big fan of McCain’s, I also agree with you with regards to McCain’s guest worker program.

            Again, you are the sound word of reason among your group and I applaud your statements and agree with most of it:)

          • Dominick Vila

            I have not experienced any problems with MEDICARE. Every time they failed to pay for a procedure or test it was because the provider did not check a box that confirms it was medically necessary, or because the provider sent the bill directly to the supplemental insurance company instead of to MEDICARE. I informed the service providers of what MEDICARE had told me, and they corrected the errors and re-submitted their claims without further problems.
            None of my doctors (PCP and specialists) have refused to accept me because I am on MEDICARE. However, two of them dropped me because they no longer dealt with the supplemental insurance companies I had at the time.
            I am sure you have noticed what doctors, hospitals and labs charge MEDICARE for their services. That information is included in the CMS summaries we receive once a month. Their charges are astronomical and, as you pointed out, MEDICARE reimburses them for a fraction of what they charge, which they agree to in advance. I don’t feel sorry for the medical professionals and hospitals, other than the fact that they assume a lot of responsibility, work horrible hours, and work very hard to get their degrees. They earn considerably more than most Americans do, and they claim the money they are not reimbursed for as a loss when they file their income taxes to reduce their tax liability. They are not hurting for money.

          • joe schmo

            Dominick you are on Medicare, I am on Medicare. We have no problems seeing who we want. Not sure how long you have had it but I went on Medicare a very long time ago and, believe me, it is not as good as it once was. When I refer to not being able to see the Dr you want, I am referring to Medical and others who pay and they are forced to see Drs. who they don’t wish to see. The cannot stay with the Dr. they have had. That is a fact. Many have had to pay higher premiums.

            Since I just finished my masters in 2012, I do know how hard they have to work for their degrees. Not only that they have to pay an extremely high malpractice insurance. No they are not hurting for money but I do believe that some good Drs deserve it. Not everyone in the profession is dedicated and they cannot cure all of our ills. I have told some of them off and refuse to be talked down too by them. I would like to see more dedicated old fashioned type of Drs. I have maybe two at the moment and neither one is originally from America:)

          • Dominick Vila

            Joe, I guess I am lucky because MEDICARE never told me which doctor to go to. I simply searched for doctors that accept MEDICARE (a very long list in Florida, where a large percentage of the population are seniors) and everything was fine after that. One of my PCPs told me years ago that he could not longer treat me because of the Supplemental Insurance I had at the time. Another PCP told me the same a few years later, when I had a different supplemental insurance. When that happened I was able to go back to the first PCP!
            All my Primary Care Physicians since I moved to Florida are from India. With the exception of their problems with some insurance companies, they are actually quite good. The surgeons that removed one of my kidneys and removed a large portion of my ascending colon are both Americans.
            Something that would help our medical industry is greater reliance on automation and sharing of information. There have been many occasions when a doctor told me to have a specific test, just a few weeks after another doctor requested the same test. Savings could be realized if doctors shared information on their patients, and we would not be exposed to radiation and unnecessary tests if such a network was available to them. Obviously, sharing the results of tests would also improve their ability to diagnose problems.

          • joe schmo

            I too have had Indian Drs. One at the beginning of my illness whom I loved and the other just recently. I had to have a cyst drained on my pancreas at UCLA and the Dr. was Indian. He was also a great guy. I truly am hoping that something like the Medicare system will be offered to those on Medical. I have several friends who have it and it really is quite horrible. But, then again, at least they have something. Medicare really does work and I suppose, I hate to admit it, that all of us should have such a system. My only problem with this whole thing is getting in to see a physician and quality care.

            I agree with you with regards to record automation and it is coming. When I was down at UCLA they were setting up such a system. In our area they are doing the same. I make sure that all my Drs. are on a list so that when I have a test or procedure done, the results go to all of them. Hopefully, if you move your records will follow you and, thereby, be obtainable by new Drs. Sort of like ‘in the Cloud.:)’

      • Allan Richardson

        The VA situation was caused by the fact that the number of eligible patients went up due to two wars that were not included in the official budget, plus more already eligible patients (WWII, Korea, Vietnam) are getting older and need more care, while the budget has not gone up enough to hire the extra doctors AND upgrade the systems the way they need to do.

        • joe schmo

          Yes, and isn’t it nice that we take better care of the illegals than we do our own veteran’s. Seems to me the money going to people who are NOT citizens should go to men who fought for our country. Wouldn’t you agree….? We can’t take care of the world, we can no longer afford it…..

  • Echo Moon

    the only dang reason that they might come around and accept “obama care” is to protect their own asses!!!

    • johninPCFL

      Well, mental care is now covered…

  • charles king

    This is What? Critical Thinking along with your Democracy allows the People to answer to the truth about the problems. Democracy Works. Why? would? an American citizen Not Want? health care for All of their citizens. I keep repeating What? Dr. KING said, ” We are All in this canoe together so lets Not Drown ourselves because some fools refuse to agree to be able to dis-agree”. Unions work, Social Security work, J A Z Z work Education work these are signs of Freedom and your Democracy is working again because you the People did some critical thinking like you did When? you re-elected our President Obama. Thank You are the magic words in my book. I Love Ya All. P. S. Beware of those (Capitalistic Pigs, Plutocracts(Commissiones), Do-Nothingers Republicans and Democracts of all shades, Etcs.) Mr. C. E. KING

  • elw

    I think what the author means is now the fight against Obamacare will go underground and be disguise by fancy words and policies they claim will improve it but are really meant to destroy it. The truth is Conservatives have never stopped fighting Medicare and they will do the same with the ACA. So keep you eye and ears open, you brain alert and never trust a thing they say or do. Vote for the other team if you want the ACA to stay and grow stronger.

    • tigerakabj

      Precisely. And is for this reason why I’m still a little ticked off at Democrats for not recognizing this history and understanding that the GOP is no longer a political party, but an organized crime syndicate.

      One of the things I have disagreed with the President over is this “lets not refight old battles.” The Democrats might believe that, but those who lost the battles of yore or have turned against those lessons of the past don’t. I believe that every election cycle those who vie for political office have to consistently restate the commitments to established laws that have built this country as well speak against those that are holding us back. The Interstate Highway System. Our airports. Civil Rights. The right to free speech. Social Security. Where I feel the Democrats have gone wrong in this is believing that just b/c these laws or pillars of our civilization are popular or legendary that the opposite party thinks they should remain as is/improved upon just b/c people like them.

      As we’ve seen from the Roberts Supreme Ct., Wisconsin, North Carolina, etc., when the GOP gets full control they see their chance to strip away everything they have been wanting to get rid of, but were smart enough to not say when running for election. And they got away with it b/c the Democrats did not pound the table that they are the party that passed these laws and helped to cement them.

      Ad: “The Democrats are the party of Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, Interstate Highway System, Civil Rights, etc! This GOP here wants to repeal or rip up these pillars of our community!” Repeat over and over. It should be plain as day to the Democrats that this is now the reality of what they are up against.

      • elw

        Yes, my biggest concern is that the Democrats are being more and more influenced by the big money that Citizens has allowed – so they let things slide. I agree they should be shouting as loud as they can about how much they achieved and start calling-out the GOP for their lies. When they have done that in the past, they win. It is nice to be polite, but there are times when politeness does not work as well as bluntness. The GOPers who use silly reasoning to make their point, look like fools when they are pointed out. A perfect example was when President Obama responded to Romney remark about the current Navy having less ships than in 1916, by saying “But I think Gov. Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works,” said Obama. “You mention the Navy, and how we have fewer ships than 1916. We also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed. We have aircraft carriers; we have ships that go underwater; nuclear submarines.” They have no proof for what they claim, why pretend it might be true?

      • Allan Richardson

        Speaking of fighting yesterday’s battles, the Republicans, or at least an influential (i.e. rich donor combined with crazy voter) segment of them, want to reverse not only the ACA, but the CHIP insurance, Medicaid (completely), EITC (a Nixon idea to reward poor people for working), Medicare (but they’re being quiet about it; they would turn it into a fixed sum voucher program and make the voucher smaller each year until it’s gone), the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, legalized labor unions (outlaw them and let management hire goons to shoot them on sight), the National Parks (keeping all that oil, timber, metals, etc in nature), and finally the 13th through 19th Amendments (except the 18th!). They have become the NEO-CONFEDERATE party, trying to finish what Jeff Davis failed to do.

  • Wemble

    We will know when Republicans have finally accepted that ObamaCare is here to stay is when they stop referring to it as ObamaCare and start using the Affordable Care Act. That’s when we will know they have thrown in the towel. The last thing Republicans would want is for a successful (but not perfect, but what is?) program to be commonly referred to with the name of a hated Democratic president. After all, what if Medicare was instead call “LBJcare” ?

    • Allan Richardson

      I have personally started calling it Johnsoncare. And now that it covers Viagra, the name is oddly appropriate.

      • dtgraham

        Oddly. Johnsoncare for Viagra. I like that.

  • ExRadioGuy15

    This Non-Affiliated voter said last year that, if the Democrats were smart, they’d use this to pummel the GOP in campaign ads. By the end of this month, the primaries should be over. We’ll see how smart the Democratic Party is….
    howa4x: it’s called “OFIS”—Obama’s For It Syndrome. If Obama’s for it, they’re against it, no matter what “it” is, even if “it” was an idea of theirs originally….pathetic racism and bigotry….

    • ExRadioGuy15

      And, before you FRWNJs start squawking about “straw man” arguments and such: ASLTW….Actions Speak Louder Than Words. If you don’t want the rest of us to correctly call you Fascist, greedy, corrupt, hypercritical, bigoted, etc., stop being Fascist, greedy, corrupt, hypercritical, bigoted, etc…..

    • charleo1

      Right! I was thinking Obama should do a test, and announce a new
      dental health initiative. Then watch as the Right Wingers all let their
      teeth rot out of their mouths. Then, I thought, their teeth are already
      false, or rotting out! Oh well. Definitely, good comment!

  • IKapono

    The simple
    solution republicans and democrats might actually be able to agree on.
    1) Repeal and replace Obamacare
    2) Keep the 4 or 5 actual patient protections
    3) Allow all citizens to be enrolled in Medicaid
    4) Expand the health tax credits to all citizens at $2500 per person a year (this is about 1/3 the per person cost of Medicaid). This will allow people to choose Insurance or Medicaid.
    5) Consider all employer provided insurance as a taxable compensation to employees.
    The last item may be a hard sell, but many in government are already scheming to remove this tax break without the compensating credit! Obamacare full implementation will cause many employers to drop coverage and the employees ( this mean you) will lose this tax break !
    Isn’t it better to choose one paragraph over 2700 pages of law plus volumes of regulations to implement the ACA?
    See John Goodman’s proposals on this type of health care reform.
    Plus the CBO could acually determine the cost of this plan. With Obamacare we do not know the cost as Obamacare is changed at the will of Obama!

    • herchato

      We do know the cost of healthcare rose 10% per year under private insurers not to mention they only wanted to insure healthy people.

  • itsfun

    I don’t think they have abandoned Obamacare as a campaign issue at all. They are just waiting for the campaign season. They will talk about higher premiums for all. They will talk about insurance company bail-outs using tax-payers money. They will talk about if you like your health care plan you can keep your plan. They will talk about if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. I doubt if the GOP will ever abandon the Obamacare tax law.

  • anthonyamerica

    The party of NO! for the American people.
    The party of yes for the 1%.
    Any party that agrees with the republican supreme court, on making corporations, a person, allowing super packs to spend as much money as they wish on campaigns, and you don’t have divulge where the money came from, is anti-American, All for greed and the destruction of the American way of life.
    ALL FOR ME AND TABLE SCRAPS FOR YOU = GOP
    Fox the 1% propaganda network, preying on ignorance, hate, racism, and fear.

  • http://batman-news.com Racer

    Look I am not on Medicare yet but I am close enough that I am looking into what I have to do. Let me tell you “what a night mare” it is trying to get through all the BS. It is worse than any IRS stuff you have to go through for an audit. Try calling to any question answered, you get passed around to about 6 different people and your question never gets answered. Be care full on what you ask for or it may turn out like the problems the VA has. Think I am kidding well maybe I am wrong but we are talking about the government here aren’t we. You all have a nice day.

    • dtgraham

      Then don’t bother with Medicare after 65. Stick with the private health insurance companies once you retire. All of those GOP proposed lifting of ACA restrictions on what private health insurance companies can do to you must be very comforting. Good luck with your health insurance into your seventies, eighties, and nineties. After all, covering all of the health care needs of old geezers of that age (regardless of cost) is exactly what Aetna’s and Bluecross’s shareholders are all about. Am I right?

  • Lisztman

    If the voters are smart, they’ll simply, at the earliest possible opportunity, use the voting levers (or electronics) to eliminate the politicians who put Party before People.

  • irishtap

    I admit to a once elevated degree of ignorance, as it pertained to our sinful ‘health care delivery system’ in this FOXed up country. As a young man just getting started in life, I knew it was ‘counter intuitive, how corporations determined people with illness, were unfit to receive affordable health insurance’. It was simply an ‘establishment fact of life’ in the U.S.A. . This law of the land, so to speak, was antithetical to the primary issue. In this, ‘supposedly the greatest country on earth’ we practiced sanctioned discrimination of people – only because they ‘needed’ health care.
    Fast forward to 2009 when I devoted much time to absorbing much information of the magnitude of the United States health insurance crisis, did I understand – insurance companies had been using ‘actuarial death panels’ for decades. These corporate monsters indefatigable thirst for riches caused the deaths of more people whom, perished in all wars this country has fought, combined. Godless corporate narcicists, never allowed themselves a twinge of humanity as the big money just kept rolling in. Because you and I in our brainwashed stupor, let them. Ironically, perhaps fittingly, the vile inhumanity of our own health care system provides an ocean of empirical evidence, compiled over decades proving unchecked capitalism reigns legalized hardship, to the point of extermination, upon everyday citizens.
    ACA only passed because corporations remained in control – WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. Of course, all this is bad enough yet, what we’ve come to learn regarding the collective soul of the Republican Party, as it pertains to this issue and others – is they’ve abdicated what makes us human, long ago.

  • dana becker

    “That was the historical cycle with Medicare — which the GOP establishment fought long and hard —”

    And they are still trying to kill Medicare. They want to voucher it. They are still trying to destroy S/S by privatizing it. Make no mistake. They will never stop trying to destroy anything that is good for the common folk. Never.

  • wills94

    Total Blowhards – every loving GOP one of em!
    Viva Obamacare!!!!!!

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