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Monday, October 24, 2016

Is America crazy?

Twelve people killed at a secure naval installation virtually on the front porch of the federal government, eight others hurt, the shooter shot to death, and it’s just another manic Monday, another day in the life of a nation under the gun. So yes, maybe it’s time we acknowledged that gorilla in the back seat, time we asked the painfully obvious.

Is America crazy?

You know, don’t you, that Muslims watched this unfold with a prayer on their lips: “Don’t let him be a Muslim. Don’t let him be a Muslim. Please don’t let him be a Muslim.” Because they know — the last 12 years have forcefully taught them — how the actions of a lone madman can be used to tar an entire cause, religion or people.

In the end, almost as if in refutation of our ready-made narratives and practiced outrage, the shooter turns out to be a black Buddhist from Texas. It is a uniquely American amalgam that defies our love of easy, simplistic categories.

As we are thus deprived of ready-made cultural blame, the story will likely fall now into a well-worn groove. Someone will disinter Wayne LaPierre of the NRA from whatever crypt they keep him in between tragedies and he will say what he always does about how this could have been avoided if only more people in this secure military facility had been armed. And we will have the argument we always have about a Constitutional amendment written in an era when muskets were state of the art and citizen militias guarded the frontier. And politicians will say the things they always say and nothing will change.

Is America crazy?, the online version of the old Information Please almanac, maintains a list of school shootings and mass shootings internationally since 1996. Peruse it and one thing leaps out. Though such tragedies have touched places as far-flung as Carmen de Patagones, Argentina, and Erfurt, Germany, the list is absolutely dominated by American towns: Tucson, Memphis, Cold Spring, Red Lake, Tacoma, Jacksonville, Aurora, Oakland, Newtown. No other country even comes close.

In 1968, when Robert Kennedy became the victim of the fifth political assassination in five years, the historian Arthur Schlesinger famously asked a question: “What sort of people are we, we Americans? Today, we are the most frightening people on this planet.”

Forty-five years later, we may or may not still be the most frightening. But we are surely among the most frightened.

  • dtgraham

    The problem with the gun nuts is that they will say anything…literally anything…to promote their passion. You almost can’t believe a word they say on the subject when it comes to facts and numbers.

    There’s a two hour political show on the CBC in Canada called “Power and Politics”, with the host Evan Solomon, from 4-6 CST Monday to Friday. I usually check it out and watched some of it today, recorded. He had a fellow on named Larry Ward, who is one of the founders of “gun appreciation day” in the U.S. Ward made the claim that hammers and clubs killed more people in the U.S. than guns did, according to the FBI official statistics.

    Solomon disputed that, saying that he had checked these kinds of stats out previously and found them to be untrue, although he couldn’t remember the exact numbers at that moment. Still, Ward insisted that he was right. This program has a huge twitter following in Canada and Solomon sent out a request for FBI stats on his hand held, while the interview was in progress. Both the CBC and his internet followers got back to him quickly with official FBI stats. I honestly don’t remember the exact numbers, but it turned out that deaths in the U.S. from handguns alone were over 7,000 per year while deaths from “blunt objects” (hammers, clubs) were about 200 and change.

    Ward seemed nonplussed and very embarrassed. He was fumbling around and really had nothing to say. It was almost painful to watch. I was able to find much of the Sept 17th program on their website but couldn’t find a link to that particular interview. Sorry.

    These gun groups just pull it out of their butt and make it up on the fly. I’ve seen it here at the National Memo and several other places. It’s what they do.

    • TZToronto

      Canada has a gun problem, but it’s different from the one in the U.S. There are a lot of illegal handguns on major Canadian cities, and almost all of them are smuggled into Canada from the U.S. Many of these guns are “rented” from the illegal owners for hundreds of dollars per night, just so the user can (1) protect himself or (2) look like a big shot carrying a gun. In Canada, long guns can be purchased legally, but handguns are really difficult to get. So the CBC is probably a good place to get reliable information because the gun lobby isn’t controlling the message.

      • idamag

        Canada has more guns per capita than the U.S. Canada has 1/10th the gun deaths. I don’t believe the Canadians are renting guns because they are afraid.

        • TZToronto

          It’s not “regular” Canadians who are renting guns. It’s gang members who import the guns illegally and then rent them to others. A gun that might cost a couple of hundred dollars if bought legally in the U.S. will cost thousands of dollars, illegally, in Canada. Canadians are not afraid of gun violence–unless you’re a Canadian who is looking for gun violence.

      • dtgraham

        That’s the problem Toronto. You can have all the gun laws you want but when you’re living next door to the wild west, gun wise, it’s hard to control gun traffic; just as drug traffic from Mexico is hard to control for America. America is, unfortunately, where illegal guns in Canada come from. The border, however, is hardly going to be sealed given the extensive trade relationship between the two countries, not to mention the tourism, historical friendship, and international alliances.

        Many Democratic jurisdictions in America experience something similar. The political right likes to make hay out of certain areas not having a lot of success with their gun laws, but fail to take into account that illegal guns can easily flow into those areas from neighbouring jurisdictions that don’t have such laws.

        Well, it’s still an international border and the problem isn’t quite the same as in the U.S.. I’m looking forward to 2015 when the Tories are gone and the long gun registry is brought back by Trudeau or Mulcair. You’re Canadian and I’m sure you do too, being a regular on an American liberal/progressive website.

        • TZToronto

          You’re right about the long-gun registry. Despite what the Tories said about the registry–that is was a huge waste of money–police departments routinely checked the registry whenever they were called to domestic disputes (and other residence calls) to see if there was a gun at that address. Getting rid of the registry was about the “best” the Tories could do to move Canada toward a gun culture. The main problem with the registry was that it cost more than it was supposed to ($1 billion vs. $0), but it was still a useful tool for the police.

          • dtgraham

            I wonder if you saw that Winnipeg Free Press article from Sept 17th about the cost of getting rid of the long gun registry. It had to have been in many other papers across Canada. The actual savings of killing the registry was only about 2 million dollars annually according to the Toronto Star. The RCMP were bullied by the Harper government into stonewalling on the cost and the savings. It’s just coming out now and you can expect a firestorm in the House of Commons whenever Harper finally finishes “prorogueing”.

          • TZToronto

            I didn’t see the article, but I’m not surprised.

          • dtgraham

            Getting rid of that long gun registry was the best that Harper could hope for from his point of view. Agreed. The opening up of assault weapons, large magazine clips and handguns, were out of the question for Canada’s culture. He knew that. For that a$$hole, that was as good as it gets.

          • dtgraham

            Thanks for the arrows up Russell Byrd. You seem like a Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Nina Turner, Ed Shultz type of guy. I don’t know exactly who TZToronto supports politically in Canada, but your posts read like you would be an NDP supporter (democratic socialist, like me) if you were Canadian. You might be a Liberal or a Green (which is OK) but I’d try to get you signed up for the New Democrats for sure.

            I’m with Dominick Vila on getting Elizabeth Warren onto the Democratic ticket for 2016. I think this is the first time I’ve ever fallen in love with a woman for her political beliefs. She is really something let me tell you.

          • TZToronto

            I have dual citizenship. I’ve voted Green and Liberal in the past. I really think, though, that the NDP (New Democratic Party are socialists, for Americans) is where my sentiments lie. Bob Rae’s (NDP at the time) tenure as Premier of Ontario was not an especially good time for those who support the left, but socialist governments in other provinces have done an decent job. The right (Progressive Conservatives and Conservatives), I fear, would just love to see American-style politics and governance in Canada. Political campaigns in Canada used to be policy-based, but now they’ve become filled with attack ads, especially from the right, thanks to political consultants either from the U.S. or Canadians who have worked on U.S. campaigns. Right now the NDP are the official opposition in Ottawa, and the Liberals were practically destroyed federally in the last Parliamentary election. With Justin Trudeau now leading the Liberals, they may have a chance to recover much of what they’ve lost to the NDP. As for who I trust to do the right things, from a progressive perspective, it’s the NDP.

    • midway54

      “Ward seemed nonplussed and very embarrassed. He was fumbling around and really had nothing to say. It was almost painful to watch.”

      But delightfully painful, heh heh.

      • dtgraham

        The Germans have an exact word for ‘delightfully painful’ that we’ve adopted into English. When you check out the definition of “schadenfreude” in the future, I think that Evan Solomon interview will be associated with it….unless you’re a gun nut.

        • midway54

          Thanks. I have seen this term from time to time as have many others, but was not alert enough (given my aged senior brain) to use it.

          • dtgraham

            I’ll be 57 in 10 days midway, so I’m practically there. I’m not quite what I used to be either.

    • DurdyDawg

      What it actually is, is the refusal to reach a logical compromise but that’s not anything new.. Look at politics.

  • Daniel Jones

    America is not crazy.

    Americans are, however.

    If anyone remembers the David Bowie/Trent Reznor song “I’m Afraid Of Americans”, just imagine an American singing it–and meaning it–and you hit the target problem pretty squarely.

  • rhallnj

    Another sad monument to this craziness is the entire Republican Party.

  • silence dogood

    Who/what bears responsibility — HIPPA laws(government)-Affirmative action(gov.)-Honorable discharge(gov.)-Failure to enforce 3 prior violations(gov.). Security clearance(gov.) And you sheep want the government to do more ?

    • awakenaustin

      Silence Dogood? Should we guess that you have seen National Treasure too often and think of it as non-fiction or that you have mistaken yourself for Benjamin Franklin?
      The ‘guvmints’ to blame. The responsibility is always somewhere else isn’t it? Let us blame it on mental health care in the nation and then do nothing about that either. Let’s blame it on the failure of three local governments law enforcement agencies for not filing criminal charges (even though there may have been no clear basis for them), as if that would have prevented anything.
      Affirmative action? Really?
      I suppose it is your belief that no white man has ever caught a break in the military discharge arena. (Of course, you would have to ignore the fact that the discharge situation involving Aaron Alexis happens daily to all sorts of folks.) Or, are you suggesting there is an affirmative action policy followed in the U.S. Military when in comes to Honorable or General Discharges?
      HIPPA is the problem? Really?

      You would say anything to permit yourself to pretend the elephant in the room, isn’t in the room.

      If you actually believe what you are saying, it should raise concerns among your family members about your mental health.

      I got it. Lets just cut SNAP (the food stamps program) in half, that will solve all the nation’s problems and let’s just let this latest little massacre slide on by.

      • silence dogood

        HIPPA laws prevent police from accessing a gun applicants medical records. A less than honorable discharge would have prevented him from getting the kind of clearance he had to enter the base. He would not have had clearance if he had a conviction for any of the 3 or more previous violations. Was his current employment, which gave him access to the base, based on affirmative action – maybe-maybe not.

        • awakenaustin

          You are simply wrong. First of all there was no official mental health record to report or access. You must be adjudicated mentally ill before it will bar firearm purchases (at a gun store, but not at shows or from private individuals). Simply being mentally ill doesn’t bar you from purchasing firearms. HIPPA has nothing to do with any of this.
          So explain how you know that if arrested (on whatever charge) it would have resulted in a conviction of any sort. Maybe it wasn’t incompetence by the local police but a simple lack of evidence to arrest him. You don’t know any of that. You make all these definite statements based on no supporting facts. You offer suppositions as if they are truisms.

          Yes, of course, every black man with a good job and a security clearance must be there because of affirmative action.

          • idamag

            There is a national sex offender registry. If a person had two incidences involving guns, he should be on a registry somewhere. That needs to be established. Good luck. The NRA will make sure that never happens. As for snidely remarking it might be affirmative action that got him the job – that is racist. Gun violence crosses all lines, rich & poor, all races, all religions and mostly crosses the U.S.

          • I’m laffing so hard I’m gonna pee myself (again).
            WHAT makes YOU think there already isn’t a databse that has every firearm purchase & the purchaser included in the database already?
            A gov’t body like NSA can openly ignore the Law & the Constitution & when they’re called on it they laugh at you. Since they’ve been collecting telcom records since the 1960s it makes me laff to think you think the data about you & your guns isn’t already in a database.
            Grow up people, you’re living in a fantasy land.

          • DurdyDawg

            Life IS a “fantasy” Bo-Hunk, as we continue to lay down the rules concerning it every day… Some more than others. It’s not each other that we should be criticizing, it’s those ‘Others’ who think their the reality in this animated existence.. We can change things but most would rather others do it for them and it doesn’t matter to them who it is so long as it gets done thus we ALL have to endure the fantasy.

          • idamag

            You seem to have a toilet problem. I am sure your drawers must be disposable aka attends.

          • plc97477

            There is a database of firearm purchases, It is at the nra.

  • roaringborealis

    LaPierre keeps arguing that if everyone in a crowd were armed, then these bad guys would get shot dead quickly, thus saving lies. It’s been repeated so much it’s not even questioned, but it’s FALSE, and needs to be refuted over & over again. Imagine a crowded cafeteria or train station. There’s a Pop, Pop, and panic spreads as people realize someone is shooting. Everyone draws their guns. Most don’t know who the shooter is yet. If someone sees him and starts firing, they could easily be mistaken by someone else as the bad guy, and chaos and carnage could unfold in a heartbeat. Why is this not understood? The heroic bystander saving lives is a Hollywood myth.

    • TZToronto

      It’s not understood because it is common sense. Imagine the carnage in a dark theater if everyone pulled out a gun and started shooting at . . . someone shooting a gun.

      • johninPCFL

        Check out the ABC news video where they did novice gun response tests (search “can you defend yourself with a gun”).

    • Elisabeth Gordon

      …of course, you are absolutely correct…but don’t hold your breath waiting for the gun lovers to comprehend it. Their theory is “we must fight gun violence with more guns”. pitiful people with pitiful minds.

      • DurdyDawg

        … You mean similar to the age old theory that “War is Peace”..? Crap like this has been pounded into our gourds since conception.. small wonder pro-gunners think we’re going against our nature when we argue the point.

    • silence dogood

      Not everyone wants to be armed. Your statement is childish.

      • TheSkalawag

        I don’t think that roaringborealis is making the that claim that everyone should or wants to be armed.

        • silence dogood

          He is claiming the head of the NRA wants it. It is a silly statement.

          • TheSkalawag

            No he’s not. He is saying that “LaPierre keeps arguing that IF everyone in a crowd were armed,…” the bad guys would be thwarted. He’s not saying that LaPierre thinks everyone should be armed.

          • Sand_Cat

            Give it a rest. Basically what you’re arguing in favor of is more mass shootings, though of course you’ll never acknowledge this. You also help prove the point of the article. What sane person would start off with such a “childish” and stupid statement as yours? What sane person would write in opposition to an article asking why more people are killed by gun violence in this country?

    • JSquercia

      Dear God let it happen at an NRA convention .

      • TheSkalawag

        I wonder if everyone is allowed to carry guns during those conventions or are there some restrictions.

        • midway54

          I doubt it. It’s like bringing the Bible with you to an evangelical service.

      • Allan Richardson

        It would certainly be ironic, but it would not be ethical to wish for it.

      • browninghipower

        The NRA does not allow weapons of any kind to be carried or brought into their conventions…legal CCWs or otherwise! Ya gotta love that one! I used to belong to the NRA, but when they went batshit crazy in the 90s against Clinton and the Dems, I bailed. They’re a fucking terrorist group under Little Peter Wayne.

    • idamag

      I remember a panel discussion on this very thing. There was a former FBI agent, a policeman, a psychologist, and a couple other people. The FBI agent, the policeman and the psychologist all agreed, according to experience, that arming the public would not save lives. They cited incidences where they lost their cool. The policeman had been a member of a swat team. When two of his comrades were killed, he dropped his gun and didn’t even know he dropped it. The FBI man said that was common. The general public is not trained in the psychology of instant danger. Before their minds register the problem, many people are going to die. People would have to have their guns out and loaded at all times. The DC shooter had a history of mental problems involving guns. Of course, we couldn’t interfere with his right to carry a gun by having national gun checks that can tap into data bases.

      • plc97477

        I wonder if that is because most of the house and the nra wouldn’t be able to pass a back ground check.

    • johninPCFL

      There’s the case of the mass murder in Washington state where an armed bystander pulled his weapon and was shot down. Having a gun, knowing how to use it, and being willing to use it, are very different things.

      • Independent1

        Maybe that’s why of the 30,000 homicides that occur each year in America, less than 3% are justifiable homicides for the reason of self defense or protection of property. And most of those 30,000 homicides occur in states with high gun ownership and even in homes where a gun is housed.

        Owning a gun does not make someone safer, it greatly increases the likelihood that someone in the house where the gun is owned will be killed by that gun. A study has shown that women and children living in a home where a gun is housed, stand a 5 times greater chance of being killed by a gun than women and children in a house with no gun.

        What most gun owners probably have yet to realize, is that insurance companies are realizing the higher risk of gun ownership, and many life and homeowners insurance companies are already starting to ask on their insurance applications if a gun is owned in the home. It’s only a matter of time when gun owners will be paying higher rates for life and homeowners insurance and maybe even other forms of insurance.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    The equation is simple: Extremism=Right wing fanatics, NRA, Tea Party, Crooked Corporations and GOP Bulls. You can put these regime members under the strongest microscope and you’d see the core of who they really are: willful, belligerent anarchists who want the US government solely in their hands.

    Every government sooner or later becomes extremely vulnerable. These regime members hate this president for one more covert reason: He represents all of the people all the time. Any president who cannot bow to the will of these belligerent anarchists is deserving of their eternal hatred. He won’t throw the lower and Middle classes under a bus for them. He’s their enemy.

    If you are expecting these cowards to admit why they really are so addicted to their power drug, hate, they will make up as many flimsy excuses as they can conjure with their narrow minds.

    The reality is they hate America because they can’t control us. So they do all in their power to weaken us from within by causing mass division. Unfortunately, many Americans are wise to their anarchist attempts.

    • Robert Haugh

      Unfortunately for them, fortunately for us true Americans.

  • tax payer

    If you want to be remembered ( kill many people ) is what is going on in this country. These people get Publicity daily even though they killed many innocent people and you seldom read anything about the victims ( thanks to the Media ) wanting to get Publicity themselves. Why show the photo of this scum everyday and expect us to praise him?

    • This is garbled, TP. These crazed individuals may well crave the publicity, and showing their pictures everywhere serves one purpose. They don’t LOOK different from anybody else! Added to the terror of victims and the tragedy for families, you have millions of people living in fear of strangers. This fear is much worse collectively than the danger feared.

  • jmprint

    Good article, Leonard.

  • Gerard

    Rather than blame the tool these shooters used, one should blame the compliance to feeding data into the background system. In all these cases the weapons were purchased legally with a background checks, what is happening is that the courts are not feeding mental information into the background data base, Basic problem is the system doesn’t have current and accurate information, any new laws will never be effective until funding is created to make all states comply fully. In my home state, the local paper discovered that hundreds of persons deemed mentality unfit for a firearm purchase were not listed in the database. The Legislature passed that requirement years before, but the “system” failed. In this era of budget cuts many times mental health funding is the first to go, the common cause in all these shootings.

    • TheSkalawag

      I blame the tools.
      The bought and paid for politicians.
      The career politician who is in politics for job security rather than good sense governing.
      The politician zealot motivated by political ideology alone.

    • JSquercia

      Might Agree with you if the NRA had not led recall of Colorado Senators who voted for expanded background checks .A position which at one time Crazy Wayne had himself supported

      • midway54

        “.A position which at one time Crazy Wayne had himself supported.”

        Better not say this aloud in redneck yahoo country, where this clown is considered a deity whose fulminations send them into a frenzy against “them libruls who wanna come gitcher guns.”

  • jjschwartz

    Yes, there are those around us that are seriously troubled.

    How many times, HOW MANY TIMES have people in
    authority turned their back on troubling indicators that a person’s
    mental health was compromised and there was a potential danger? My
    sister, a school teacher, became aware that a boy was threatening
    to blow up the school. She went to the principal, nothing. The vice
    principal, nothing, her special education supervisor, nothing. She did
    everything that she could so I picked up the ball and contacted state
    authorities, nothing. Out of desperation I ‘attempted’ to contact the
    Dept. of Homeland Security. Good luck there! There are so many
    departments, sub departments, offices, etc … I threw a dart at the wall
    and wrote to Secretary Napolitano. This was well over two months ago.
    NOTHING. The bottom line is that NO ONE CARES! IF the school cared the
    WORSE thing that could happen, and this would be made a political issue
    in that it must be approved by the SCHOOL BOARD, … school suspension for
    a undefined period of time. We wring our hands and pass ineffectual
    laws, too many of which we all ready have and some that we should have
    we don’t. Know why? No one truly cares other than the victims. What
    does this say about our society when people in positions of authority
    turn their back? There will always be emotionally troubled people but it is up to US to help these people to prevent these tragedies. WE are the real problem,

  • TheSkalawag

    What I find disheartening is that the country is being led around by the nose by a minority of gun loving zealots.
    We are electing or allowing to be elected these minions of the gun lobby.
    How many voting age Americans are there? And of that number how many are for common sense gun laws. It seems to me that common sense should win the day hands down. But I guess we haven’t reached that critical mass yet. Where we say enough is enough.
    I wonder how many more lives it will take before we get there.

    • Robles48

      In many states what you would call common sense is hard to find (uncommon).

  • Allan Richardson

    A wise old possum named Pogo summed it all up:


  • WASHINGTON—In the wake of numerous public shooting sprees that have left nearly 90 dead and countless injured, desperate Americans across the country are, in a clear last-ditch effort, attempting to get on board with mass shootings, sources confirmed.
    Though admitting that it “took a while to come around,” members of the U.S. populace—clearly straining to throw their support behind mass murder—told reporters they are totally into and have indeed fully embraced deadly public shootings as part of the rich tapestry of American life, akin to baseball or apple pie.
    “I used to think shootings were bad, but, um, they’re not—I like them now,” said 41-year-old Tacoma, WA resident Abby Denilson, rapidly nodding her head with a visibly weary, saddened expression on her face. “Yup. I’ve reconsidered things, and I definitely get it now. I’m on the bandwagon. It’s good when shootings happen. Comforting even.”

    “So…hooray! All right!” Denilson continued. “Count me in! Mass shootings! Yeah!”
    According to reports, residents of all 50 states have, within the last 24 hours, been trying their very hardest to begin liking and appreciating the idea of men, women, and children being murdered in shopping malls, schools, and college campuses, saying they might as well just develop a taste for such scenarios as they are undeniably an American tradition at this point.

    In what could only be described as a clear act of desperation, Americans told reporters that not only are they “all for” mass killing, but also the resulting aftermath, including rushed and often inaccurate reports of the number of dead and injured, interviews with badly shaken witnesses, candlelight vigils, and fiery, often pointless debates over gun control.

    A majority of Americans were said to have continued reiterating their newfound acceptance of mass shootings to themselves over and over again, either while sitting alone at home and shaking or while hugging a loved one.
    “You know what, mass shootings make this country a nice place to live in, and I’m a little embarrassed it took me so long to realize that,” said Phoenix resident Ben Dority, 34, adding that upon reassessing the issue, he now welcomes any and all mass shootings, regardless of circumstance. “What’s not to like about them? Because when you think about it, there’s nothing better than a guy just firing a gun indiscriminately at a bunch of unarmed people, right?”

    “Right,” added Dority.

    According to a recent survey, 68 percent of Americans said they would “absolutely be fine, happy even,” if another shooting were to happen at this very moment; 82 percent claimed that last year’s massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, CT was, in retrospect, “a really, really, really good thing”; and 77 percent loudly insisted that they have “totally been on board with shootings this whole time.”
    Ninety-eight percent of respondents said that from this point forward they are going to smile and cheer when the words “Breaking: Armed Gunman…” appear on their television or computer screens.

    “Seeing news of a shooting used to fill me with the worst sense of dread and crushing sadness, as if overwhelming hopelessness were pervading every single inch of my body—but not anymore!” 53-year-old Richmond, VA resident Patrick Martens said before briefly pausing to close his eyes and take several deep breaths. “I can handle this now. In fact, I’m really glad when shootings happen. Glad and happy and fulfilled and thankful and totally at peace with the world.”
    “Honestly, I can’t even imagine life without shootings,” added Martens, forcibly grinning and then turning away to rub something from his eye. “Can’t even imagine it.”

    • 4 days and not a word of appreciation for this well crafted piece. Zheet, you express in nice irony the actual and depressing current acceptance of a confused, stressed, anaesthetized population, of this extreme phenomenon (mass shootings). The anger and frustration of thinking members of this population need support from the world; crushing of the NRA and like profiteers from brutality, is a high priority for the worlds leading civilization (the US) in the opinion of an outsider.

  • holyreality

    So America IS Exceptional in at least one area?

    • plc97477

      Dang tooting. We are the very best at being crazy.

  • DurdyDawg

    ” After yet another mass shooting, Leonard Pitts Jr. wonders why this country seems willing to accept tragedy after tragedy. “….

    What the hell does this idiot expect US to do, initiate vigilantism? What a stupid thing to say.. Why don’t HE do something about it, after all he’s in a better position to do it than us.. No, it’s just that much more blabberism from an empty suit who continues to get paid for doing absolutely nothing except toss around guilt trips onto the general public and crow liked Eliot Ness.

    • browninghipower

      Just what are you trying to say here?

  • You’re on a military base and no one is armed OK. Your just miles away from the center of the US government. Keep looking for shoe bombers!.

  • metallica to secure peace is to prepare for war

  • Ken

    What is crazy is thinking that taking guns away from law abiding citizens will stop the mass shootings. In a military base with no guns allowed, inside of D.C. with its gun control laws, you want more gun control laws and regulations. That is crazy. Guns are not the problem, its people. With the logic I have seen in the other posts, making crazy people illegal should solve your problem. This should get some wild responses.

    • “Guns are not the problem, its people.” It’s not guns OR people that is the problem, its the people with guns that are the problem and not ALL of them obviously, just the ones who can fire a gun towards another person without acceptable reason.

      You are right that taking guns away from people who will not use them against other people will solve nothing. But KNOWING who these people are is not possible. There must be laws and regulations, but reducing the actual number of guns in circulation is a starting point – despite the loss of profit to the psychopaths who make and market them.

  • Angel Perea

    another NRA card carrying member just expressing his constitutional rights to use
    his shotgun or assault weapon! I say, let insanity continue and let them continue the
    slaughter of people in places such Washington, Texas, in Colorado, while the
    Assault Gun Manufacturers and NRA political prostitutes continue to make their
    millions in profits! Unfortunate, but maybe a few more Auroras and Columbine,
    schools, USA facilities massacres there will wakem up? Has anyone noticed that the NRA and its political
    prostitutes in Congress have remained SILIENT again just like after each and
    every other killing incident? But no background checks, so let the insanity
    continue! Hum…

    http://www.huffingtonpost. com/2013/09/17/mass-shootings-2013_n_3941889.html

  • CaptainAndy

    Yes, we are. Classic case of mass hysteria.

    I predict 300,000 more bodies in a decade, before we take meaningful action.

    Churchill said it best, that Americans eventually do the right thing but only after exhausting the alternatives.

    But, the fever has to break first.

  • S.J. Jolly

    Are Americans crazy? Anyone reading much of the comments on various on-line discussion groups would have to say, “A LOT of them certainly are! “

  • plc97477

    The truth is that less homes have guns in them but more guns are out there, which means a few people have a shit load of guns, I would argue that they have many more than they could ever hope to shoot if they deemed it needed.

  • Aaron_of_Portsmouth

    I was just looking through my internet folder called “American Tragedies” and came upon this article on this date(9/1/14) a year later to refresh my memory.
    With all that has happened since, America is, unfortunately, more crazy. And the police, not surprisingly, are very much in the thick of the craziness(consider Ferguson, MO).
    Just last week a story hit the news of a child in Arizona being taught to use an Uzi, and she accidentally killed her instructor. Shame on the parents for directing her in that direction, and shame on the neanderthals for making
    the excuse that she had the right to learn to shoot an uzi.
    That’s an experience that child will have to live with for the rest of her life.

    And the beat indeed goes on.