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The biggest impediment to a fair settlement to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the construction of new settlements in Palestinian territories to accomodate the influx of European Ashkenazi Jews, and to a lesser extent American Jews, to Israel. This has been going on for decades and by the looks of it, it will continue indefinitely. In part, because the USA, the only country with enough leverage over Israel, lacks the courage to tell that country to stop that practice.
Our politicians don’t have the backbone to stand up for what is right. They are afraid of loosing the Jewish vote.
Colleen, not all American Jews support that thug Netanyahu and his policy of expanding settlements. The ultra-Orthodox are Republicans, anyway, so those votes are already lost. I agree that it is long past the time to tell the Israelis no more dollars, no more arms from American taxpayers, until those odious practices of expansion cease.
It’s not the American Jewish vote that our politicians fear losing. It’s the American Jewish money. Jews are only two percent of the American population.
Our entire foreign policy is skewed to whatever the “Israel Lobby” wants because our legislators have sold out to PACs like AIPAC. While AIPAC is clearly a PAC, it hasn’t registered as a PAC, thereby enabling its contributors to deduct their contributions as charitable contributions. This is just another example of the influence the American Jewish community has on our government.
Dommy, and all you other leftists with your minds twisted in a knot… answer some questions:
1) which country in the Middle East is the only real democratic country?
2) How many muzzies live and work in Israel in peace?
3) How many Jews live in the muzzy countries in peace?
4) Which country(ies) have leaders that have vowed to wipe which country from the face of the earth?
5) If Israel stopped settlements, would the muzzies all of a sudden like them and stop shooting rockets into civilian areas?
6) Which country would you rather live in, Israel or your pick of any muzzy country? I especially want the answer to this question from you women and any gays that may be reading this. I know it’s hard for you leftists to be honest, but try.
How naive can you people be? How stupid can you be? Israel is our only true ally in the region. They are the only free and democratic society there. What the hell is wrong with you?
Have a nice day!
“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
You do not need to use all those insanity words to make your point. It is time for us to act like human being not like spoil children.
Sorry Nancy. I don’t suffer fools easily. It’s a weakness of mine. I’d be interested to see your answers to my questions, especially #6.
“The only defense against the world is a thorough knowledge of it.” ― John Locke
Yeah, you’re the voice of reason and rational calm…
Replying to ObozoMustGo -
If you had written this in a less condescending manner, people might actually see some value in your response to the cartoon.
However, the attempt at being an enlightened intellectual smacks of stupidity and sarcasm.
Have a nice day.
BTW, Ronnie was wrong.
All Bozo the Idiot does is copy a cartoon from a website and attach it to his comment which is mainly a quote that he copied and pasted from another website. Frequently his quotes are from people who would disagree with his comment. He has quoted Jefferson, Orwell and others would have a more liberal philosophy than this ignorant right winger.
Why haven’t you died yet?
Hey, peckerwood what’s up?
I have a question.
What is the difference between a peckerwood and a dumbass?
It is a trick question.
There isn’t any.
Your first rhetorical question presumes that just because a nation is a democracy it can never be wrong or be morally suspect in the policies it pursues compared to a non-democracy. (Do you include Turkey as a middle eastern nation?)
The second rhetorical question presumes that living somewhere in peace means something significant about government correctness and that the government addressed in the cartoon and its policies had something to do with this fact. The circumstances which allow Isreali citizens who happen to be Arabic and frequently Muslim to live in relative peace in Isreal were set in place long before the particular settlement policy being addressed came into existence.
The answer to the third rhetorical question is probably very few live there at all. The implications of this are that the Isreali government is always right in what ever it does and any critcism is forbidden?
Fourth rhetorical question’s answer is probably many of the Arabic nations in the past, most not today,and the current Irani government has made such threats. Some people say what they mean and mean what they say. Some people do with out saying. Exactly how does this justify settlements in conquered territory which you originally indicated you would return someday with an appropriate treaty? Do expanded settlements possibly indicate an intent to permanently keep the territory?
Fifth rhetorical question’s answer no. But that is hardly the point is it. If I don’t steal your bicyle today, then you won’t have that in the future to try to justify trying to kick my ass. Secondly, the fact that you don’t like me today and will continue to not like me tomorrow doesn’t justify my stealing your bicycle. I am not justified in stealing your bicycle because some guy you don’t control threw rocks at my window. (Maybe you can explain how building settlements in the West Bank will stop Hamas from shooting rockets from Gaza into Isreal.)
Sixth rhetorical question’s answer. Italy the Tuscan region. Oh that wasn’t a choice. Of course not that is what makes it a rhetorical question. My answer like the question has nothing to do with the issue of whether building settlements in the West Bank is a smart, thoughtful, moral, ethical, necessary or desirable policy of the current government of Isreal.
You, however, are not really interested in thoughtfulness. It is anathema for you. You are interested in trying to score some cheap debate points. You have no interest in advancing any thought in this area. You are like an anarchist. You just throw bombs and believe yourself to be doing something positive.
So Isreal is our only true ally in the region. From your view that means Isreal is always right no matter what they do and we should always support them no matter what the consequences for us or for them?
I suppose that means if your neighbor, who is the only one in the neighborhood who really likes you, decides to burn down his house to get rid his neighbor’s cat you are going to support him in that. He is, after all, your only true friend in the neighborhood. If you had to live in anyone’s house in the neighborhood, you would want it to be his. Despite the fact, the ensuing conflagration may consume your house as well as the neighborhood, you would encourage and support him in that endeavor? Of course you would.
Over Matched Guy ESAD.
comaboy… that’s the least coherent thing I’ve seen you write. On the one hand, you disagree with me clearly, but then you agree with me in your points and your inability to actually answer the questions honestly. For example, your question to me …
>”Maybe you can explain how building settlements in the West Bank will stop Hamas from shooting rockets from Gaza into Isreal.”<
exactly makes my point. Building or not building settlements will have no influence on whether or not the muzzies continue to lob rockets into Israel.
On another matter, the number of muzzies living and working peacefully in Israel is about 1.2 million. The number of Jews living in Saudi Arabia is zero. Why is that? What do you think?
I've never said that Israel is perfect. Hell, no one country is. But they are entitled to exist, contrary to what Iran or other radical muzzies say. And when they say the want Israel removed from the earth, they mean it sincerely. For you to ignore what they say is nothing more than petulant ignorance because you know you are losing the argument.
I won't even address your stupid examples. You have, yet again, proven what a fool you are.
Have a nice day, and remain oblivious comaboy!
"The difference between being stupid and being a fool: A stupid person at least has an idea about their own inadequacies. The fool is oblivious to them, and is more inclined to believe their own fantasies and lies as truth." – ObozoMustGo
Of course you won’t answer my questions, because you can’t dumbass. The thrust of your own argument and statements, which you apparently did not understand, was that we should tie ourselves to the hip of the Israelis and support them in whatever they do. WE should do this because of the positions you staked out in your rethorical
Of course you won’t answer my questions, because you can’t dumbass. The thrust of your own argument and statements, which you apparently did not understand, was that we should tie ourselves to the hip of the Israelis and support them in whatever they do. We should do this, by your logic, because of the positions you staked out in your rhetorical questions. I simply pointed out that none of your rhetorical questions supported the proposition you advocated. Clearly I am not the type of person who ignores what dumbasses have to say about the world, I answer you all the time.
What does the GOD of Israel say?
gar… answer the questions, if you dare. Is it possible for you to be honest? Let’s see.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell
Spoken like a true Reaganite. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits (if they haven’t already done so), and may an elephant caress you with his toes.
A great deal would happen in the Middle East if the Israeli leadership would genuinely pursue peace; however, the conservatives, like Netanyahu, like our own conservatives in this country, believe the only way to achieve peace is to bomb and beat their enemies into submission. The ONLY benefit of continuous war is – continuous war, which really turns conservatives on.
RC… you are totally naive if you believe that Israel has anything to do with peace in the Middle East. Somehow, you ignore the outspoken desire of most of the other countries in the region to eradicate Israel from the face of the earth. Somehow you ignore the fact that Hamas and Hezbolha surround Israel and have fired more rockets on Israeli towns than the US dropped on Germany in all of WWII. How dumb can you be? Are you one of those crazy, anti-semite nutjobs that thinks the Jews control the media and the banks, and this is how you “get them back”? What’s wrong with you? If Israel turned over 90% of it’s land to the muzzies, do you think they’d have peace then? Of course they wouldn’t because it’s not about land and it’s not about palestinians (a phony people, by the way). It’s about islamic goals to eradicate Jews from the face of the earth. Once you understand that, you’ll stop being an anti-semite.
“Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.” – Mark Twain
And don’t let the facts interfere with your opinion. Netanyahu, and the Knesset,know that the the path to peace is through a two-state solution, and they are supported in this by a majority of all but the most conservative Israelis. One sure way to derail the peace process with the Palestinians is to build housing in occupied territory, territory that Israel has no legal claim to and will eventually be required by international law to turn over to the previous owners. By increasing Israeli inhabitation in these areas they are doing nothing but creating more friction and turmoil, and thumbing their noses at the peace process itself, at the moderates in their own country who vehemently desire peace, and at the international community who, without Israeli cooperation, are, at present, unable to pursue negotiations. Hence, Obama’s frustration with Netanyahu, and the continuing offensives by Fatah, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Netanyahu is intentionally trying to draw us into a war with Iran, when honest pursuit of peace with the Palestinians would be their simple endgame. Don’t forget, before 1945 Israel as a Jewish state did not exist, and most of the Middle East as it is now delineated did not exist prior to the beginning of the previous century. The property lines in the area are totally artificial and only in very few instances actually reflect the political divisions in the areas.
I am not an anti-semite, although you may well be an anti-peace freak. DON’T have a nice day!
While Israel MAY be a democracy, the majority of Israelis DO NOT support Netanyahu’s policies of building settlements in OCCUPIED territories, and, after generations of war, desperately want peace. And as long as people who should be supporting efforts at achieving an enduring and lasting peace refer to those on the other side of the discussion in a derogatory manner, peace will be unachievable. Negotiations can only occur in an atmosphere of caring and mutual respect. It is apparent neither you nor Netanyahu have respect for those on the other side of the table.
Hey Robbie… you are either naive or just plain dumb, or both. What you fail to realize is that the guys on the other side of the table from Israel have no respect for them, and instead desire to see Israel and all Jews wiped from the face of the earth. Do you have any clue who Hamas or Hezbollah are, and how interested they are in peace? This is why they cannot negotiate with them. Further, what you mean by “OCCUPIED territories” I am certain is open to debate. You may be one of those idiots like Obozo that thinks any land taken as a result of the 1967 war is an “occupied territory”, don’t you? Only a stupid fool actually believes the muzzies will live in peace with Jews. Wake the eff up!
By the way, why not answer my questions?
It would be helpful if you could tone down your rhetoric, just a little. The UN, through several resolutions, has”urged” Israel to cease building in what the great majority of the Western world considers “Occupied Territory”. While Israel’s apparent paranoia may be justified, their actions stemming from paranoia are not helpful, and Netanyahu’s visit to the US and his addressing Congress prior to the November election here would be looked upon by Congress as illegal if Obama had done something similar prior to Israel’s upcoming election. Netanyahu has made repeated threats toward Iran, with no other intention than drawing the US into another middle-east war. His attempt to influence our election reveals that, since Romney virtually promised military intervention in Iran. There are consequences to whatever WE choose to do regarding the middle-east; however, what we choose to do should be WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO, not what some other foreign leader wants us to do. Like most conservatives, your deep concern with Israel is likely due to the Biblical end of days fantasy. If you would read the New Testament a little more closely you might find that the apostles sincerely believed the END was coming within their lifetime, thus their desire to document the end-of-days cycle in Revelations. However, as this did not occur, I honestly feel continued pursuit of end-of-days scenarios is, quite frankly, a gross sin against God’s plan.
Robbie… I always find it interesting how you leftist nutjobs always turn to the UN as some sort of authority when in reality all that it has become is nothing more than a shill for leftist causes and anti-Israel propaganda. Why in the hell should Israel pay any attention to an organization that invites know terrorists and murderers onto its security councils? Would the US pay any attention to the UN if Canada was shooting rockets into Boston and we took away their geographic territory disabling that ability? Of course not. We’d give the UN the single finger salute as we should. As should Israel.
I always find it funny how you leftist nutjobs always call the other side’s position in this matter as “paranoia”….. Paranoia????? Who the hell are you kidding? You call over 8000 rockets fired into civilian areas in Israel over the past few years “paranoia”???? You call hundreds of terrorist attacks on innocent civilians “paranoia”???? You call listening to years and years of Islamic leaders speeches calling for the eradication of Israel “paranoia”???? You tell me, Robbie, exactly when it is justified to be “paranoid”???? You and all the other leftist freaks out there are plain old mind f*^%ed on this matter. What the hell is wrong with you that you that you cannot see facts as they are? I find it a matter of unbelievable restraint that Israel has not completely destroyed Hamas or Hezbollah killing every last one of those pieces of human crap.
Your leftist freak reading of the Bible is also dead wrong. There are no dates on expectations for end days in the Bible, only signs. In fact, it specifically says that we will not know the hour or day at which end times shall begin. If you’re gonna quote it, be honest. As far as I am concerned, I don’t care, and it has no bearing on how I think or evaluate a situation. Nor have I ever stated that it does. EVER! You’re the one making this up, not me.
“Societies biggest failure is it has allowed authority to be its truth; and prevented truth from being its authority.” — Mobius Nemesis
And now…. the REAL Cartoon of the Day!
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“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today’s world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors.” – Ronald Reagan
There’s a real lack of understanding, both by the cartoonist and the commentators about the real Bibi Netanyahu and what drives him. This is a politician that is really not different from most American politicians today, who care much more about their own sit of power and riches than about the country they suppose to lead. Netanyahu never made even one important decision that has made a difference in the direction Israel goes. If one looks at the American Congress today, one can see the mirror image of it in Israel. Extremists everywhere are dictating the agenda in both countries.
More proof that Obozo has been kissing the a$$ of the Muzzy Brotherhood. This time, it’s actually out of Egypt. So for all of you leftist freaks that pitched a fit when Michele Bachmann accused the Obozo regime of being infiltrated by the Muzzy Brotherhood, you can now admit that you were wrong and she was correct. Hat tip Pam Geller at atlasshrugs(dot)com:
Egyptian Magazine: Muslim Brotherhood Infiltrates Obama Administration IPT, John Rossomando • Jan 3, 2013 at 1:10 pm
An Egyptian magazine claims that six American Islamist activists who work with the Obama administration are Muslim Brotherhood operatives who enjoy strong influence over U.S. policy.
The Dec. 22 story published in Egypt’s Rose El-Youssef magazine (read an IPT translation here) suggests the six turned the White House “from a position hostile to Islamic groups and organizations in the world to the largest and most important supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
The story is largely unsourced, but its publication is considered significant in raising the issue to Egyptian readers.
The six named people include: Arif Alikhan, assistant secretary of Homeland Security for policy development; Mohammed Elibiary, a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council; Rashad Hussain, the U.S. special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference; Salam al-Marayati, co-founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC); Imam Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA); and Eboo Patel, a member of President Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.
Alikhan is a founder of the World Islamic Organization, which the magazine identifies as a Brotherhood “subsidiary.” It suggests that Alikhan was responsible for the “file of Islamic states” in the White House and that he provides the direct link between the Obama administration and the Arab Spring revolutions of 2011.
Elibiary, who has endorsed the ideas of radical Muslim Brotherhood luminary Sayyid Qutb, may have leaked secret materials contained in Department of Homeland Security databases, according to the magazine. He, however, denies having any connection with the Brotherhood.
Elibiary also played a role in defining the Obama administration’s counterterrorism strategy, and the magazine asserts that Elibiary wrote the speech Obama gave when he told former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to leave power but offers no source or evidence for the claim.
According to Rose El-Youssef, Rashad Hussain maintained close ties with people and groups that it says comprise the Muslim Brotherhood network in America. This includes his participation in the June 2002 annual conference of the American Muslim Council, formerly headed by convicted terrorist financier Abdurahman Alamoudi.
He also participated in the organizing committee of the Critical Islamic Reflection along with important figures of the American Muslim Brotherhood such as Jamal Barzinji, Hisham al-Talib and Yaqub Mirza.
Regarding al-Marayati, who has been among the most influential Muslim American leaders in recent years, the magazine draws connections between MPAC in the international Muslim Brotherhood infrastructure.
Magid heads ISNA, which was founded by Brotherhood members, was appointed by Obama in 2011 as an adviser to the Department of Homeland Security. The magazine says that has also given speeches and conferences on American Middle East policy at the State Department and offered advice to the FBI.
Rose El-Youssef says Patel maintains a close relationship with Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of Brotherhood founder Hasan al-Banna, and is a member of the Muslim Students Association, which it identifies as “a large Brotherhood organization.”
Bozo the Idiot is at it again. He uses as his main source an article from an Egyptian magazine Rose El-Youssef magazine about 6 people that the article claims turned the White House “from a position hostile to Islamic groups and organizations in the world to the largest and most important supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
Bozo you even state that gthe article is as you wrote “The story is largely unsourced, but its publication is considered significant in raising the issue to Egyptian readers” You then list items about some of the six men that you LIFTED from wikipedia and others sources. Just copying a part of wikipedia bio doesn’t prove anything.
This is your typical bs that you try to pass off as some sign of intelligence but after reading a number of your comments that you never bother ot offer any proof of I doubt you have anything original to offer
Some examples of Bozo’s bs:
1- Nazis were Socialist because their name derived from National Socialists Party in Germany. The Nazis were hardly Socialists, they were bigoted racist and fascist.
2 – By puting “=” between Nazis, Socialists and DemocRats ( his spelling and a juvenile one at that. All he did is copy Glenn Becks drawing circles around a phrase or word and linking it to another word. As usual offers no proof just his ignorant rant.
3- Obama is the worst president in th last 100 years. He seems to ignore Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Nixon, Ford and “W”. Obama isn’t even the worst president in this century.
I could go on with more examples but don’t want to waste any more time.
Bozo you and the other infantile losers who use some bastardize spelling of President Barrack Obama’s name need to come up with something that shows some sign of intelligent thinking.
Billy boy…. yet again more evidence that you are a moron. All you have to do is look up the names of the 6 people cited to find out that they are, in fact, members of the muzzy brotherhood. It’s all right there out in the open. Typical idiot saying that the evidence presented to you is not evidence. Keep your head in the sand, you loser.
Also, another sign of a complete moron is someone that cannot understand that words (Socialist) mean what they mean. And being a socialist is NOT mutually exclusive from being a racist, bigoted fascist, you dope!
And Obozo is the worst president in 100 years, taking that mantle from Jimmy Carter. Obozo is a complete clown, and you know it.
You should learn to keep your mouth shut, Billy boy.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.” – Mark Twain
Netanyahoo has become what the Jewish people have fought since the Holocaust. He is a Nazi of the worst kind, stealing Land and murdering Palestinians because he CAN! How many Americans, aside from the American Indians who were out manned and out-gunned EXCEPT for the Little Big Horn, would STAND for the theft of their Land and goods? Not many, I’ll wager. Bully and Thief is what he is and will remain until an EQUITABLE solution is reached for ALL concerned.
Nancy… there is no compromise with people who’s objective is the complete annihilation of you. You have your head in the sand if you actually believe that the muzzies will tolerate the existence of Israel if only they stop settlements. That’s downright foolish and ignorant of reality. What do you think we would do if Canada was firing rockets into Boston or Buffalo? Really. How naive can you be? Your mind is twisted in a leftist knot and you are incapable of seeing reality for what it is. Please respond to all 6 of my questions in my other post.
Thank you, and have a nice day!
“Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.” – Mark Twain
How can we have peace when we condone war, If peace was what they wanted there would have been peace years ago. They are like the republicans not set in their ways.
The State of Israel will never have peace, as long as they keep building settlements in Palestinian territories. They must give the Palestinian’s their own state. An, allow them to govern it by themselves. This will be the only way that Israelis will have any chance for peace and safety.
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