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Thursday, October 19, 2017

In the intensifying national debate over the Confederate flag, important clues about the seditious symbol’s true meaning are staring us in the face. Dozens of those clues were posted by an angry, glaring Dylann Storm Roof on the “Last Rhodesian,” website, where the alleged Charleston killer pays homage to certain flags – notably those of apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia, as well as the old Confederacy – while he enthusiastically desecrates another.

Pictures of Roof burning, stomping, and spitting on the Stars and Stripes are interspersed among the photos of him grasping and waving the Confederate battle flag, sometimes while holding a gun. “I hate the sight of the American flag,” he raged in a long screed on the site. “Modern American patriotism is an absolute joke.”

What this racial terrorist meant to express, in crude prose and pictures, is a lesson that the diehard defenders of the Confederate flag should no longer ignore: To uphold the banner of secession is to reject patriotism – and has never meant anything else.

For many years after the Civil War, the symbols of the Confederacy were not much seen outside local museums and burial grounds. The late general Robert E. Lee, a reluctant but justly revered war hero, rejected any post-war fetishizing of the Stars and Bars, which had actually originated as the battle flag of his Army of Northern Virginia. Lee believed it “wiser…not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered.”

But such admonishments were cast aside by the exponents of white supremacy, whose own patriotism was certainly suspect. When the Ku Klux Klan and the Knights of the White Camelia were revived as racial terror organizations in the 1930s and 1940s, carrying out a spree of cowardly lynchings, their grand wizards found natural allies among the leaders of the German-American Bund — whose funding and fealty were eventually traced to Nazi headquarters in Berlin. Indeed, the Klansmen burned their towering crosses alongside swastika banners at rallies sponsored by the Bund to attack President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

In the years following the Second World War, the Dixiecrats led by South Carolina politician Strom Thurmond – and the “uptown Klan” known as the White Citizens Councils that supported Thurmond’s movement – appropriated the Confederate flag as their own standard. Among its greatest enthusiasts was a young radio reporter (and future U.S. senator) named Jesse Helms, whose fawning coverage of Thurmond’s 1948 third-party presidential bid marked him as a rising star of the segregationist right.

As for the White Citizens Councils, those local groups were ultimately reconstituted into chapters of the Council of Conservative Citizens – a notorious hate group that has embarrassed many Republican politicians caught fraternizing with its leaders, and that ultimately inspired Roof with its inflammatory propaganda about black crime and the endangered white race. Headquartered in St. Louis, MO, the CCC festoons itself and its works with the Dixie flag, as does the neo-Confederate League of the South, which still openly advocates secession.

Meanwhile, racist, anti-Semitic agitators such as David Duke and Don Black — both Southerners prominent in Klan and neo-Nazi organizations for decades — have never ceased to manifest their reverence for the Confederacy. Stormfront, the notorious neo-Nazi website founded by Black, continues to promote the mythology and symbolism of the Southern cause, declaring in a June 23 podcast that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery — and that “the attack on southern symbols and heritage such as the Confederate Flag are actually part of an overall Jewish-led attack on European Americans.” Owing to Duke’s influence, in fact, the Confederate flag has served as a substitute for Nazi banners in demonstrations, often violent, by “white nationalists” in Europe — where the symbols of the Third Reich are widely outlawed.

Obviously, not every American who has displayed the Dixie flag endorses the treason and bigotry that it now represents to so many other Americans. There are sincere patriots, like former senator James Webb of Virginia, who still insist that it is only a remembrance of the valor of their ancestors. But over the decades, its appropriation by traitors and bigots has provoked little noticeable protest from the more innocent exponents of respect for Southern heritage. Today, the Charleston massacre has left it standing irrevocably for the most brutal and criminal aspects of that heritage – and it is more deeply irreconcilable with American patriotism than ever.

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51 Responses to Never Patriotic: The Real Meaning Of The Confederate Flag

  1. “Obviously, not every American who has displayed the Dixie flag endorses the treason and bigotry that it now represents to so many other Americans.”

    YES, THEY DO.

    • I could really give a crap about the confederate flag but i do give a crap about equal rights.
      I never have and there is no doubt in my mind that i would never ever have a confederate flag or any symbol there of because i do see it as a negative part of our history to say the least.

      BUT that said as stated i am for EQUAL rights.
      Not just your rights or my rights or their rights but EQUAL rights.
      That means a delicate balance between everyone’s rights where they are not passing the space before the others nose to infringe upon that nose at least as least amount as we can do the delicate balance between everyone’s rights.

      By your statement you are calling the black man that was on (i think CNN) on the news a bigot against blacks then.

      He said that he understands that people see the confederate flag as a symbl of hatred and he respects that they have the right to hold that belief but that he he does not see the flag that way.
      He says he proudly displays the flag in his home and that it is because of his pride in his grandfather’s service in the confederate army and his pride and respect of the confederacy.

      Now I, or you may think that odd but soooooooo.
      It is his right.

      When one side of the political spectrum starts saying you have no right to display a flag that you want to because we say so, and we have the right to burn your flag because we say so, and you have no rights or say in what flag you can fly and what flag we can burn then we have lost our Republic of the United States of America.

      Praise God!
      Long Live the Republic!

      • Read all your comments, Sir. And it seems you’re implying the GOP of today is not all that different than the GOP of Lincoln. Even as it is a preposterous proposition, that today’s GOP would even consider nominating an Abraham Lincoln. Ot that Lincoln would be modern day Republican. A President that held to the idea the powers of the Fed. Gov. superseded the Rights of the States. And further, that there was never an agreement by the attendants in Philadelphia, that States reserved the Right to withdraw from the Union. Then, to form their own Confederacy of the willing. Set up a separate gov. Elect their own President, and Congress, Print their own money, field a hostile Army, and make treaties against the U.S. with foreign countries. Yes, Lincoln was a Republican, that held a house divided against itself cannot stand. And was opposed by the Southern Democrat. And that dynamic largely remain intact for the next 100 years. The Southern Democrats were responsible for Jim Crow, poll taxes, the Klan, the lynchings, and terror. And based all their race based politics on their continued insistence on their Constitutionally guaranteed Right as States to do so. However, it was not so much the GOP politicians that upset all that. A case could be made it was a Democrat Truman’s integrating the military, that began the unraveling. But more than that, it was the S. Court in their determination in Brown V. Board of Ed. that separate was not, nor could it be considered equal. And when the High Court determined laws against interracial marriage were unconstitutional. It was in those days, the Democrats that were sounding like the Republicans of today, in their opposition to same sex marriage. Mostly the same States. Same States Rights/Bible based, arguments. And the same contentions about a Federal Gov. drunk on power, and a Liberal Supreme Court, writing their own laws. And too, the same promises we’re hearing from some of the Republican candidates for President, to ignore both. It was only when Presidents of both Parties, Eisenhower, and Kennedy, seen it as their duty to start enforcing these verdicts, that the rebel Dixiecrats, (still Democrats) Took to flying the old Confederate battle flag of Gen. Lee. And it was for the White Democrats, a moment to take a stand. Segregation then, segregation now, and segregation forever became their battle cry. No matter what is dictated to us by an illegitimate Washington.
        Sound familiar? Well it should. It’s the battle cry of the GOP base voter,
        today, is made up in large part of the former Democrats of the Old Southern Confederacy. Need more proof? Take a map of the Old Confederacy and place it over the bright red, Republican dominated States today. I’m sorry. But it is what it is. That Southern Strategy thing Johnson spoke of, and Nixon employed, that won him the Presidency, and reconstituted the Republican Party as it stands today. On discrimination. It should be allowed. Voter suppression, makes sense. Cannon Law. There is no Constitutional separation of Church, and State.

        • Forget all your questionable rambling through history.

          I challenge you to state one single sentence, on the topic of the flag here, that i said that is wrong.

          Forget all your rambling and I challenge you to state one single sentence, on the topic of the flag here, that i said that is not true.

          Praise God
          Long Live the Republic!

          • You said you, “Didn’t give a crap about the flag.” Then, you went on to misconstrued the issue about taking down the flag by framing it as whether or not the State had the Right to fly it. As if some force with legal authority were demanding the State Gov. to remove it. When the real question is, whether or not that State wants to have a Confederate battle flag, with all it’s baggage, represent it. If it sends a favorable message about that State, and the people in it’s government, who have the authority to fly it, or take down. The question of what does that flag say about them to the Nation? And right now I don’t believe many of them are very proud of that message.

          • You must be replying to someone else’s comment because in my comment i never said anything about any state or their right to fly the flag or not.

            I will repeat my challenge to you:

            Forget all your rambling and I challenge you to state one single sentence, on the topic of the flag here, that i said that is not true.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

          • Your words Sir: “When one side of the political spectrum starts saying you have no right to display a flag that you want to because we say so, and we have the right to burn your flag because we say so, and you have no rights or say in what flag you can fly and what flag we can burn then we have lost our Republic of the United States of America.”
            Sir. There is no side of the political spectrum alleging you, the State of S. Carolina, or anyone else doesn’t have the Right to fly the Confederate battle flag. Which your posts plainly reveal, you believe is the issue at hand. And in that you are mistaken. One may fly it, or make belt buckles out of it, or burn it in protest. So says the Supreme Court. And the Republic is in tact.

          • Hello ding dong i never said i want to fly the confederate flag.

            Again you prove you have no reading comprehension.

            I challenged you to state one sentence that i wrote that is untrue.

            I did not challenge you to lie and make up a sentence that i did not write and then to prove your own made up lie of a statement wrong.

            the statement i did state is:
            “When one side of the political spectrum starts saying you have no right to display a flag that you want to because we say so, and we have the right to burn your flag because we say so, and you have no rights or say in what flag you can fly and what flag we can burn then we have lost our Republic of the United States of America.”

            And that is a fact.
            if you would like to try to prove that statement that i did write wrong then you are welcome to.
            Just pick a sentence i did write don’t make up lies suggesting i said things that i did not.

            That only makes you look like a fool.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

          • I copied, and pasted the last paragraph of your reply to poster “Gendarme.” So you wrote it alright. You’re either entertaining yourself by being intentionally obtuse, or you have other issues.
            Either way, I answered your challenge.

          • OMG
            LMAO

            Again you prove your point that you have no reading comprehension what so ever.

            You copied the sentence as i did in my reply but your commentary on it reconstructs the sentence into a lie to state it says things it does not really say.

            Anyone reading here can see that.

            So, you are replying to the reconstructed sentence that you have interpreted to mean what you want it to mean but does not mean what i wrote.

            That is why i recopied the sentence to tell you again what i said not what you said i said by the sentence.

            I did not say anything about the confederate flag in that sentence.

            I did not say i wanted to fly the confederate flag in that sentence.

            I did not say the state of south Carolina wanted to fly the flag in that sentence.

            If i did not say those things then my post can’t possibly “reveal” that i believe that is the issue at hand.

            So, if i did not right about those things in that sentence then i cannot be “wrong” about those things in that sentence.

            DUH!

            OMG get a life.
            OMG get an education.
            OMG get some reading comprehension classes.

            Now again as i stated before:

            Forget all your rambling and lying and statements that i said things i did not say and I challenge you to state one single sentence, on the topic of the flag here, that i said that is not true.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

            Again what that sentence did say is:

            “When one side of the political spectrum starts saying you have no right to display a flag that you want to because we say so, and we have the right to burn your flag because we say so, and you have no rights or say in what flag you can fly and what flag we can burn then we have lost our Republic of the United States of America.”

            And it is a fact.
            And if you want to challenge that sentence or any other sentence you need to challenge the words as constructed in the sentence not make up a new sentence that is a lie and then debate yourself on your made up lie.

            I asked you to try to prove a single sentence that I wrote as not true.
            I did not challenge you to make up a lie about a sentence i wrote and debate yourself as to whether your made up lie is true or not.

      • I fully understand how someone could see the Confederate flag as a historical symbol rather than a representation of a terrorist organization that did more damage to America than any before or since.

        It’s called stupidity.

        • And you are entitled to your opinion because that is what free speech is all about.

          And as i stated:
          I am for EQUAL rights.
          You sound as though you have a little problem with EQUAL rights because i never see you righting anything like i think that person is stupid but they have that right under the 1st amendment.

          We should not stand for just your rights or my rights or their rights but EQUAL rights.
          That means a delicate balance between everyone’s rights where they are not passing the space before the others nose to infringe upon that nose at least as least amount as we can do the delicate balance between everyone’s rights.

          By your statement you are calling the black man that was on (i think CNN) on the news a bigot against blacks then.

          He said that he understands that people see the confederate flag as a symbol of hatred and he respects that they have the right to hold that belief but that he he does not see the flag that way.
          He says he proudly displays the flag in his home and that it is because of his pride in his grandfather’s service in the confederate army and his pride and respect of the confederacy.

          And as i said you or I may think that odd but it is his right.

          When one side of the political spectrum starts saying you have no right to display a flag that you want to because we say so, and we have the right to burn your flag because we say so, and you have no rights or say in what flag you can fly and what flag we can burn then we have lost our Republic of the United States of America.

          Praise God!
          Long Live the Republic!

      • It is absolutely anyone’s right to display his/her own ignorance and denial on private property. If the man on CNN is proud that his grandfather was a traitor to his country and to his own people, fine, let people be informed of the kind of person they’re dealing with.
        This argument is about GOVERNMENTS displaying the symbol of treason; no one I know would approve of preventing the display of the flag on private property legally, though I abhor it and disapprove. I suppose it could be deemed an item of racial intimidation, and where that is clearly the case, I’d be willing to condone government ban; otherwise, freedom means you can be an ignorant, treasonous scum as much as you want so long as you endanger no one else’s rights.

        • I see we agree with something and i see that you agree with the former head of the NAACP (black man) of South Carolina marching around in the streets with a former confederate uniform and flag espousing his pride in the confederate flag also.

          As i stated over and over again previously i also have no care what so ever for the flag, but i would fight for that man’s 1st amendment rights to do something i think very little of.

          Praise God!
          Long Live the Republic!

          • Without accusing you of anything, I must point out that the most effective and pernicious lies always use “facts” and “truth” – carefully selected, as yours are. While I cannot know your inner thoughts, your selection of “facts” implies very strongly that you support display of the Confederate flag and pride in Confederate treason. As for refuting your facts, those from 150 years ago are true enough, while some of the others (the NAACP person) are too nonspecific (who? when?, under what circumstances?) for any such attempt, and why would anyone bother, anyway? Your mind will not change.
            As you say, we agree on the right of private individuals to display any flag they want on their own property, but the issue was not that in the first place: it’s about government entities displaying and promoting treason, racism, and slavery.
            As for my “conspiracy theory,” I have no idea what you’re even talking about.
            This is intended to answer all of your responses, and I really don’t care to continue this conversation. The republic you keep mentioning isn’t doing too well, and won’t last long so long as a significant number of its citizens support treason for the purpose of maintaining racial and other discrimination, and – in my opinion – your “god” has already been dragged into disrepute by all the bigots who regularly invoke him to justify their actions, if not by his actions as recorded in his “word.”

          • LMAO

            1.) Exactly what plain and simple fact that i have stated is a “carefully” selected fact?

            Is it the plain and simple fact that the former head of the NAACP of south carolina that is parading around in tghe streets and all over the news.

            Is it the plain and simple fact that we do have a 1st amendment that you do not seem to understand.

            Which plain and simple fact that i have noted mr alinskly is that “carefully” selected fact that you are talking about?

            2.) If i have no idea what your conspiracy theory is about and you don’t have any idea what your conspiracy theory is about then what the heck are you doing suggesting conspiracy theories if you yourself don’t even know what you are talking about.

            3.) I agree that it is hard to fight against treasonous ignorance like yours that disagrees with having a 1st amendment.

            4.) Again you display an incredible lack of reading comprehension.

            Nowhere did i ever say any God is my God.

            I do not invoke God.

            I never have.

            I praise God and i thank God.

            That is it.

            5.) It would behoove you to study the Constitution and the 1st amendment before you try to comment on it.

            As i stated over and over again previously i also have no care what so ever for the flag, but i would fight for that man’s 1st amendment rights to do something i think very little of.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

    • The Confederate flag is an iconographic symbol of a part of our history that is important to many of our citizens, not only because their ancestors fought or lived through the Civil War, but because of what it represents to them. Those who remind us that the Confederate flag is a lot more than a symbol that justified the institution of slavery are correct…to a point.
      The secession of several states, with South Carolina being the first to do so, and the subsequent civil war were influenced by three major issues (1) State rights, (2) economics, and (3) slavery. Southern states believed the abolition or preservation of the institution of slavery was for each state to decide. The economies of Southern states was mostly agricultural, and depended on slavery to compete and keep a standard of living that was rapidly falling behind the standard of living in states with a large industrial base. The common denominator in all three cases was the preservation of slavery. That’s what the Confederate flag represents, regardless of all the justifications being advanced to pretend it is an innocent historical symbol.

        • I guess you only read the first sentence in my post. I believe the Confederate flag should be taken down from government buildings because of what it means to millions of Americans. As for the Al Qaeda (I think you meant ISIS) flag, I can’t imagine why any American, with the exception of a handful of nuts, would even consider displaying such a symbol of brutality. Only a – conservative – would come up with such a ridiculous analogy.

          • Yeah well you were referring to the confederate flag and that people like the former head of the NAACP who say they have a lot of respect for it and march through the streets with is and stick up for it.

            The Al Qaeda flag has nothing to do with the past history of the U.S. nor is anyone going around flying it out of respect for it’s part in U.S. history.

            Stupid mr. gender-bender is just pulling an Alinsky tactic with a “did you quit beating your wife” comment when you were taking about rocket science or something.

            trying to do a totally off topic “i got you” attempt.

            All it does is either prove his lack of reading comprehension, or lack of history, or that he is a total lying conniving sack of S____.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic.

        • Really? So you totally missed the point to this on going discussion? Geezus! And you vote??Even the famous Southern General had this to say about this flag. Lee believed it “wiser…not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered.” Besides, you are trying to pull a GOP trick by totally changing the subject! Why? Because you don’t have anything else to contribute!

  2. The confederate flag represents treason against the United States of America in defense of white supremacy and racism. It represents defeat and humiliation. Who would want to be associated with that?

    • Answer: the overwhelming majority of the Republican Party of the United States – everywhere in the country.

      • Whereas i wholeheartedly agree with yabbed’s comment your comment is an ugly lie.

        Most every black was a Republican during and after the civil war.

        The kkk was set up by the democrats of the south in collusion with the internationalist elites to try to eradicate the Republicanism in the south and many white Republicans were killed also.

        The kkk and other influenced were to try to fight for and to try to retain the influence of the worldwide economic system of worldwide plantation and enslavement that had it’s roots in the centuries old worldwide economic system pushed by the internationalist elites who partnered with the nation states of Europe as their enforcers for their worldwide plantation and enslavement economic system.

        The crown of England being the most influence realizing the great profit to the crown for these endeavors.

        Thus the phrase “The sun never sets on the British Empire”.

        Most people do not understand that the entire area that were the american colonies was of the international plantation system.

        Colony = plantation

        The “governances” of the colonies (plantations) were basically there to manage the business of the plantations and assure peace and stability.

        That is why when our founders started to complain and “rebel” the British came in and replaced the governors with more hard core personnel.

        The civil war was really an extension of the the Revolutionary war.

        Lincoln himself stated over and over that the objectives were to follow through on the promise of the founders in their Declaration of Independence for the realization of the God given rights (or natural rights) to be extended to all people.

        And to preserve the union.

        The British supported the south in the civil war and almost officially militarily entered the war for the south.

        So, the civil war was really an extension of the Revolutionary war.

        It was only approximately 80 years after the Revolutionary war.

        Most people also do not realize that our Revolutionary war started essentially a slow simmering and progressing world war that our civil war also helped to move along.

        Also:

        You definitely need a lesson on the history of civil rights/equal rights
        in the U.S.A.

        http://youtu.be/R44dKDhR33U

        Everyone reading here should check this out!

        Also a brief overview:

        Q: Who has forced the equal rights and abolitionist movement upon the U.S. citizenry since before the founding of the nation?
        A: Christians, conservatives, and the cores of the movements that

        eventually became the base of the Republican Party !

        Q: Who forced passage of the 13th amendment by 1865?
        A: Republicans !

        Q: Who forced passage of the 1st Civil Rights ACT twice by 1866?
        A: Republicans !

        Q: Who forced the override of the Democrat President’s veto on the 1st CivilRights ACT by 1866?
        A: Republicans !

        Q: Who forced the passage of the 2nd Civil Rights ACT by 1875?
        A: Republicans !

        Q: Who signed the 2nd Civil Rights ACT into law by 1875?
        A: A Republican !

        Q: Who forced the Supreme Court to knock down the 2nd Civil Rights ACT in 1883?
        A: Democrats !

        Q: Who forced passage of the 3rd Civil Rights ACT by 1957?
        A: Republicans !

        Q: Who signed into law the 3rd Civil Rights ACT by 1957?
        A: A Republican !

        Q: Who opposed the Kennedy’s Civil rights act so vehemently that they stopped it in committee and Kennedy could not get it passed even though he had political control of the Hill?
        A: Democrats

        Q: Who forced the passage of the 4th Civil Rights ACT by 1964?
        A: Republicans !

        Also it needs to be noted somehow that the reality that the civil rights act of 1964 is basically just a rewrite of the previous Republican Civil Rights ACTS including the one knocked down by the supreme court and that it, to a large degree, just gives changes of venue and further codifications and clarifications of process regarding how violations will be noted and processed and adjudicated and penalized.

        Kind of wraps all the previous Civil Rights ACTS into a more unified,
        substantial and specified process.

        Also in brief:
        The Republican Party was formed and founded by the social
        organizations fighting for equal rights and freedoms for all which
        included Christian, and abolitionist movements from before the founding of our nation.

        That is why they named it the Republican Party.

        They fought for a major political party bearing the name of the form of
        free and equal rights for all governance that our Declaration of
        Independence declared and that was the constitution of our Constitution.

        They felt that if a major political party bearing such a name could
        be sustained throughout posterity then our great experiment in governance and our nation as framed by our founders could be preserved throughout posterity.

        God speed!
        Long live the Republic!

          • Thank you for asking a question.

            If you would give me the time to have a give and take with me i am sure that i can explain why some (not all) Republicans are “ds” sorry just don’t want to get kicked off this site.

            I would be more than happy to engage in a discussion of this because i do agree that some Republicans are “ds”.
            I have even helped run many very powerful “Republicans” out of he party because of that.

            If we are to engage in this exchange we should go one point at a time so that we can both understand each other.

            If you would like to present your first example of what you mean by Republicans are a bunch of ds now i would be more than happy to explain my point of view on it.

            I might agree with you or i might disagree with you.
            I don’t know.
            But i will be truthful.
            Throw it out there and lets have a discussion.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

          • No one wants to kick you off the site; censorship is a GOP thing these days, along with denial and willful ignorance.

          • Don’t really understand what your seemingly conspiratorial theory point is supposed to mean.

            It is a real life fact that many sites do in fact kick people off their site for using vulgar language so i simply stated that i was abbreviating the vulgar word so as to hopefully not get kicked off the site.

            simple as that.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

        • US Grant was a Republican president.
          Was he a negro?
          Ever read his memoirs?
          What did he say about Mexico?

        • Keep advertising the fact that you have NO argument, that you’re just a pathetic bigot struggling to justify it by pointing to the faults of those long dead.

          • I am not arguing with you about anything.
            I have simply stated historical facts that you seem to have some kind of problem with.
            And you are not arguing with me either because you need to have some facts to actually argue anything.

            It would be interesting if you would pick out just one single sentence that i stated that you believe is wrong and try to prove it.
            Just one single sentence.
            Then you might be able to get somewhere on trying to prove what a bigoted fool you seem to think i am (or not).

            All this alinsky type off topic demonizing of me only makes you look like a fool in people’s eyes.

            Pick just one single sentence of mine and try to prove it wrong.

            Good luck

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

  3. And it only took 150 years for this symbol of bigotry and racism to finally die its deserved death.

    And i am a proud southerner, but not of this racism.

  4. I do not by any means always agree with Joe Conason but this article is spot on. I am old enough to remember the entire career of Jesse Helms. I am not one of those sweeter-than-sweet people who believe in never speaking ill of the dead. When Jesse Helms died I thought and applied exactly the marvelous comments by the late Moms Mabley: They say to only speak good of the dead. Jesse Helms is dead. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!

    • And it was a wonderful day when the kkk recruiter Robert Bryd finally left the senate and we finally got rid of his incessant use of the N word in the halls of the U.S. Capital.

      I am sure a lot of blacks and other minorities as well as whites and others never shed one single tear at his passing either.

      Praise God!
      Long Live the Republic!

      • You are utterly wrong. Sen. Byrd was a very wise and good senator and he was not a racist and he assuredly did not use the N word regularly. He joined the KKK for exactly one year when he was 18 years old…after a year he realized they were a bad bunch and left. HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE APOLOGIZING FOR THAT MISTAKE, PROFUSELY. You ought to read some of the excellent books he himself wrote (not ghosted)..his fellow Democrats elected him Majority Leader in the 70s. Yes, he did in the 60s vote against some of the civil rights bills, something he also regretted, because at the time West Virginia unfortunately was very anti-civil rights and anti-black. If G.W. Bush had listened to Sen. Byrd’s wise counsel the country would have been much better off. A lot of people make mistakes when they are 18. Jesse Helms didn’t make a mistake..he was a racist from birth to death.

        • Well i tried to lead you to an education but now i must confess a box of rocks would be a polite description of your comprehension of reality.

          Most every black was a Republican during and after the civil war.

          The kkk was set up by the democrats of the south in collusion with the internationalist elites to try to eradicate the Republicanism in the south and many white Republicans were killed also.

          The kkk and other influenced were to try to fight for and to try to retain the influence of the worldwide economic system of worldwide plantation and enslavement that had it’s roots in the centuries old worldwide economic system pushed by the internationalist elites who partnered with the nation states of Europe as their enforcers for their worldwide plantation and enslavement economic system.

          The crown of England being the most influence realizing the great profit to the crown for these endeavors.

          Thus the phrase “The sun never sets on the British Empire”.

          Most people do not understand that the entire area that were the american colonies was of the international plantation system.

          Colony = plantation

          The “governances” of the colonies (plantations) were basically there to manage the business of the plantations and assure peace and stability.

          That is why when our founders started to complain and “rebel” the British came in and replaced the governors with more hard core personnel.

          The civil war was really an extension of the the Revolutionary war.

          Lincoln himself stated over and over that the objectives were to follow through on the promise of the founders in their Declaration of Independence for the realization of the God given rights (or natural rights) to be extended to all people.

          And to preserve the union.

          The British supported the south in the civil war and almost officially militarily entered the war for the south.

          So, the civil war was really an extension of the Revolutionary war.

          It was only approximately 80 years after the Revolutionary war.

          Most people also do not realize that our Revolutionary war started essentially a slow simmering and progressing world war that our civil war also helped to move along.

          Also:

          You definitely need a lesson on the history of civil rights/equal rights

          in the U.S.A.

          http://youtu.be/R44dKDhR33U

          Everyone reading here should check this out!

          Also a brief overview:

          Q: Who has forced the equal rights and abolitionist movement upon the U.S. citizenry since before the founding of the nation?

          A: Christians, conservatives, and the cores of the movements that

          eventually became the base of the Republican Party !

          Q: Who forced passage of the 13th amendment by 1865?

          A: Republicans !

          Q: Who forced passage of the 1st Civil Rights ACT twice by 1866?

          A: Republicans !

          Q: Who forced the override of the Democrat President’s veto on the 1st CivilRights ACT by 1866?

          A: Republicans !

          Q: Who forced the passage of the 2nd Civil Rights ACT by 1875?

          A: Republicans !

          Q: Who signed the 2nd Civil Rights ACT into law by 1875?

          A: A Republican !

          Q: Who forced the Supreme Court to knock down the 2nd Civil Rights ACT in 1883?

          A: Democrats !

          Q: Who forced passage of the 3rd Civil Rights ACT by 1957?

          A: Republicans !

          Q: Who signed into law the 3rd Civil Rights ACT by 1957?

          A: A Republican !

          Q: Who opposed the Kennedy’s Civil rights act so vehemently that they stopped it in committee and Kennedy could not get it passed even though he had political control of the Hill?

          A: Democrats

          Q: Who forced the passage of the 4th Civil Rights ACT by 1964?

          A: Republicans !

          Also it needs to be noted somehow that the reality that the civil rights act of 1964 is basically just a rewrite of the previous Republican Civil Rights ACTS including the one knocked down by the supreme court and that it, to a large degree, just gives changes of venue and further codifications and clarifications of process regarding how violations will be noted and processed and adjudicated and penalized.

          Kind of wraps all the previous Civil Rights ACTS into a more unified,

          substantial and specified process.

          Also in brief:

          The Republican Party was formed and founded by the social

          organizations fighting for equal rights and freedoms for all which

          included Christian, and abolitionist movements from before the founding of our nation.

          That is why they named it the Republican Party.

          They fought for a major political party bearing the name of the form of

          free and equal rights for all governance that our Declaration of

          Independence declared and that was the constitution of our Constitution.

          They felt that if a major political party bearing such a name could

          be sustained throughout posterity then our great experiment in governance and our nation as framed by our founders could be preserved throughout posterity.

          God speed!

          Long live the Republic!

          • My my my – how come you aren’t president of a major university? And with your brilliance how come you do not append your real name to your long, long, long screed so we can appreciate just what a historian, political scientist and all-round genius you are?

          • Thank you for your compliment.

            But any “brilliance”, as you call it, only goes as far as my ability to put in the hard work to research and read the truth rather than counting on second hand anecdotal information and quotes taken out of context as you and others often do.

            I hope that you watched the video because it is often brings additional context to see the true struggle through the eyes of a scholarly black man.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

          • President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated AFTER he bolted from the REPUBLICAN party!
            He formed the UNION party!
            He chose Andrew Johnson to be his VP!
            The RADICAL REPUBLICANS, their definition impeached Lincoln’s VP!
            John Wilkes Booth was no lone assassin!
            Accomplices were hanged!
            President Teddy Roosevelt was shot WHEN he bolted!
            He formed the BULL MOOSE party!
            Perfectly clear?

          • 1.) I am not sure why you used exclamation marks. Is there anything in what you have posted in your reply that countermands any fact that in any of my comments?

            2.) Point of history on your first point. Lincoln did not form the Union Party.

            He did graciously accept their nomination of him for president though:

            News of his nomination at the 1864 National Union Convention elicited Lincoln’s famous response on June 9, 1864:

            “I am very grateful for the renewed confidence which has been accorded to me, both by the convention and by the National [Union] League. I am not insensible at all to the personal compliment there is in this; yet I do not allow myself to believe that any but a small portion of it is to be appropriated as a personal compliment. The convention and the nation, I am assured, are alike animated by a higher view of the interests of the country for the present and the great future, and that part I am entitled to appropriate as a compliment is only that part which I may lay hold of as being the opinion of the convention and of the League, that I am not entirely unworthy to be instructed with the place I have occupied for the last three years. I have not permitted myself, gentlemen, to conclude that I am the best man in the country; but I am reminded, in this connection, of a story of an old Dutch farmer, who remarked to a companion once that ‘it was not best to swap horses when crossing streams.'”

            Upon Lincoln’s death in 1865, Andrew Johnson became the only other National Union President.

            3.) for the most part it sounds that your comment and my comment are entirely in sync. Not sure why the exclamation points.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

          • He chose Hannibal Hamlin to be his first VP.
            Why didn’t he choose another Republican?

          • Hamlin was a safe non-controversial semi-milk-toast figure from Maine that joined the Republican Party when it formed because he was an Abolitionist as was Lincoln.

            He was also a strong orator for the abolitionist cause and he brought regional balance to Lincoln’s ticket (both pluses for that Presidential ticket).

            I do not know what your point of bringing this up is in regards to my other communications.

            Praise god!
            Long Live the Republic!

            You still have not commented as to why you were using exclamation marks in your first comment when exclamation marks are usually used in a show of emotional disagreement but there seems to be very little light if any between anything you said and anything i said.
            I did respond that Lincoln did not actually have much, if anything, to do with forming the Union Party but he did graciously accept their nomination for President but that was after your exclamation mark laced comment which i do not understand.

          • Once again, the cry of every moron who has no argument: the Democrats were slaveholders 150 years ago, and blacks were Republicans. Unfortunately for you and the other bigots, this is not 150 years ago.

          • Recitation of historical fact on my part is not bigotry.
            The inability of you to accept historical fact may be a sign of bigotry on your part though.

            So, your point is the scholarly video done by the black man is bigotry towards blacks also.
            Interesting how twisted and possibly bigoted you are.

            You seem to have some kind of reading impairment also because the long list of facts in regards to the history of the civil rights struggle that i listed and the facts posited by the video has nearly nothing to do with 150 years ago.

            Praise God!
            Long Live the Republic!

  5. There is an aspect to this that is right out of the Twilight Zone!
    During the CIVIL WAR; the USS KEARSARGE, flying the Stars and Stripes, sank the CONFEDERATE raider, the ALABAMA, flying the Stars and Bars!
    That battle took place within sight of Cherbourg, France!
    Remember the Normandy Breakout?
    D-Day?
    IKE led that invasion.
    He was of German ancestry.
    He settled down in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
    He was born in Texas!

  6. After reading all the below posts, I am amazed by how little it takes to distract us from the real problems of this country! People are working for slave wages, children are starving, racism is alive and well, contrary to what SCOTUS believes, our infrastructure is crumbling, the well to do own most of the wealth, we can’t seem to stay out of war, women are being denied every human right, voters are being disenfranchised and we are fighting over a damned flag?? Really? I wish everyone would get this excited about all of the above, but those things don’t matter as much as misplaced pride in a damned flag!!

  7. It is amazing that Conason cannot bring himself to add one more fact: The flag itself was created by Democrats, and used by Democrats ever since. The GOP has led the nation in creating equality for all; and has been hampered by Democrats all the way-Al Gore Sr., Frtitz Hollings, Robert Byrd, William Fulbright, and many, many others.

    It is entirely fitting that the flag be removed by Republican governors, and taken from the state capitals, where they were hung by Democrat governors.

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