I think that stop and frisk is a great idea and hope that Mayor Bloomberg is successful in his appeal to reverse that dopey judge’s decision.
Hope they start stopping you daily and see what you think then.
I don’t think that I fit the profile. Maybe you do. Is that why you’re so against it?
Maybe the profile needs to change, but I guess the whole point is lost on you. So it’s OK to humiliate and violate the Constitutional rights of people routinely, so long as you don’t fit the profile they’re using at the moment.
Can’t argue with that kind of invincible arrogance and racism.
When extraordinarily bad things like rape and muggings are increasing, we must take extraordinary measures to protect the citizenry.
To protect the “rights” of dirtbags who commit those crimes just to satisfy some ill-defined point of constitutional law is irresponsible. If those who are being targeted fit the racial profile because their look-alikes are committing the vast majority of the crimes in New York City, then so be it. The public safety is more important than some ill-defined point of constitutional law.
I hope that Mayor Bloomberg’s appeal is successful. While that appeal is pending, stop and frisk should be continued.
You do know the crime rate was already at its lowest point before Bloomberg started “Stop and Frisk”, don’t you? You just have this insecurity about brown people, endorsing anything that makes their lives difficult, while you sit in your tower looking down, like a self-inflated enigma without a clue about reality, except from what Rush tells you is real! You two could be brothers. I bet you hate your shadow, too. Do you run from it, on your way to your gas guzzler?
You’re a liar, but I’ll credit you with being a clever liar. Crime against “people of color” by “people of color” has never been low. You choose to generalize when you think you’ll make your point. The reduction in the crime rate, if your assertion is at all true, which I doubt, would be in the upscale and middle class sections of the city.
You don’t sound like a New Yorker to me. You sound like some other area liberal creep who gets his “facts” from the leftwing press. If we were to take a poll, I’m sure that most New Yorkers support stop and frisk. Those who oppose it are the asshole liberals, the criminals and that incompetent judge who probably lives in an upscale area and doesn’t have to worry about street crime.
That’s because your poll results would be skewed by the wording of the poll question and the target market. And the only difference in crime rates, between black on black and white on white crimes is about 14%, while the stop and frisking has resulted in the black “stop and frisks” exceeding the total number of blacks, who live in the city, while the white frisks have affected less than 20% of the white population, so who really knows what the statistics would be if it was applied evenly!
What the hell do you even know about the liberal press? You live in a bubble, believing Rush Limbaugh, Rovian Bullet points, Hannity, and Beck, and the still acidified Ted Nugent, who should have stopped taking his acid dreams out on little furry animals!
You are the one that seems to make up crap, not me! But, whatever floats your boat, I suppose. I only worked in New York for a year, and headed back to the West Coast, where people don’t get as bogged down in racism, or male superiority, or religious intolerance, or the problems posed by illegals, while we have other fish to fry, like the oil Companies who want to frack within five miles of downtown Los Angeles, where five million people live, while they frack directly on top of an 8.6 quake fault called the Inglewood faultline!
The illegals problem throughout our state is much worse than yours ever could be, yet you whine like a dog, in despair, with no solutions, my friend, other than putting them to torture, alongside their kids, like a mad doctor in Crazytown!
Glad that you’re on the Left Coast with the rest of the left wing airheads.
Hopefully, the fracking will undermine wherever you may be and we’ll be rid of you.
CPAinNewYork! How white of you to wish me the best for my opinion, and wish me into the next fracking grave for voicing it, based on verifiable truth, not crap made up of FOX, or CNN “BS”, to get you to look!. I understand it is hard to accept that everything you know is wrong, and I sympathize for you! It’s hard to be the only intelligent one in a one-sided conversation!
Now do your part! Check the facts! I call you an idiot, not because you want to be one, but for the fact that you would rather not be the only person around your friends who discovered they are all idiots, too, and you don’t want to be the one that spoils their day!
Truth is truth, but if you believe a lie, it will always be truth to you! The oceans are warming, and there will be more Eastern Seaboard hurricanes and drought conditions in the dustbowl! Out here on the West Coast we are used to earthquakes, and cannot do much to control them, but I have to be sorry for the folks in Dallas, who have started experiencing them, since fracking began, in earnest! The droughts can’t be much fun, either!
I won’t wish you a wet ending, because I can still empathize with your adherence to your sanity, even if it is based on lies! That’s something you may want to work on, but until you are sure, why not stop agreeing with those who would revoke voting privilege to American citizens so much! Check a few facts! Watch a few weeks of Rachel Maddow, just to make your head spin around, or Big ED, to tell you the facts you refuse to accept! It might give you the perspective FOX would never provide. Sorry, MSNBC has no Simpsons show to keep you occupied, so you’ll just have to rely on your ADD drugs to get you through the truth they tell!
Please understand, one of us must be wrong! And I check my facts! I have offered solutions! You offer criticism! I guess you have no facts, so you attack me! At least, think of solutions, rather than trying to convince others that all the woes of the world were caused by Democrats, who got us out of Iraq, out of the ditch, and I still find as much fault with them as you do, for different reasons, but I will still support them over the puppets of the rich in the Republicancer Party, who attack our ability to make money by refusing to grant us a living wage, very easily done by a vote in the House, approved by the Senate, and signed by our President! Once we are all out of the ditch, our growth can resume! Once we all see a way up, not just for a few, but for all who seek to a better life!
46% of all Americans cannot all be lazy!
CPAinNewYork, stop playing with your papers and seek the truth that eludes you! In New York you have the best chance to gain perspective, but you have none to show! Why is that? Too much time behind a desk, hanging with the other money grubbers? I’m really sorry for you! Too much time hanging with sociopaths tends to wear on anyone! Get better soon! I really mean it! Go outside! Mingle! Have some fun! Ask people on the street if they know the three tiers of government! Most of them will get that wrong, too! They are just as easily swayed by the Simpsons Channel as you have been! But it isn’t the truth! It’s made up, because Roger Ailles hates Democrats, and nothing will change his bitterness. Why not ask him why? I think he hails from your neck o the woods! Maybe you can finally get the answers you will accept, and be set free!
You are right about CPAinNewYork. He believes in “stop and frisk”, especially when he is doing the frisking^^. He doesn’t care what happens to others, hates the idea of an Immigration Bill, that would allow the Dreamers to stay, along with their parents, who could pay the fines, and get to the back of the line, along with a work vIsa! He claims he is not a Republican, but he wants to send the illegals already here working, and their “anchor babies” back to the border. Hell, he prolly thinks the middle of the desert would be as good, too! He nags on for days, and is a troll for the Koch Boys and their Heritage Foundation! His one brain-cell misfires quite often! Enjoy the days of his inane responses!
CPAinNewYork really likes the frisk part, especially when he dons his Superman cape and comes down from his high tower…..
How many times did you fall off your bike and crack your head? How often did you inhale exhaust fumes? Both of those activities can cause brain damage.
You probably should see a doctor.
if so, it probably happened in the New York tunnels where people die from exhaust fumes! And, in over forty years of Harley riding, I have never dumped my bike, because I always maintained them, and we actually know how to drive out here!
How many times have you fallen, or had a flat, on your toilet?
It is true that business-suited-old-white-men have stolen many times as much from the public as muggers-with-guns, so if you ARE going to use profiling, that would be a better profile to use. Of course, that does not mean that ALL business-suited-old-white-men are crooks. And neither are ALL young-black-boys-in-hoodies!
As one analyst pointed out recently on MSNBC, stop and frisk CAN be done without racial profiling, provided it is done differently than Bloomberg’s plan: FIRST, do not ask rookies to look for “suspicious” people on their own judgement; pair them with trusted old veterans for a couple of years first, so they learn to recognize TRULY suspicious behavior in people of ANY race or ethnicity; and SECOND, do not ask police to meet artificial “quotas.” After all, there will be SOME days when very little crime is actually happening, so the only way to meet a quota is to profile probably innocent people to stop and frisk. The New York program that was struck down did BOTH things wrong; they put rookies on the street without guidance, and they had them meet a quota.
The practice is an outrage and a violation of the fourth amendment. And what makes you think “veterans” will be better at picking out “suspicious people.” The idea that black people are all suspicious is likely even more ingrained in them than in the rookies; ask all the unarmed people (or their relatives) shot without justificaton by NY police what they think of the idea!
Sand_Cat is correct, Allan. Over the decades I have known a lot of LEOs and I have noticed that veterans who started out as flaming liberals soon become exceedingly suspicious of blacks, Hispanics, and/or US Indians (depending upon the predominant minority where they work) and that is true of white, black, and Hispanic LEOs.
My question is this – How come crime levels “Have Not” come down dramatically ?
(Answer) Because stop and frisk only ensnares small time “illegal” drug users and sellers It’s not stopping rape, muggings , murder –
But it is a daily reminder to minorities that they are to be judged as a group and NOT as individuals
More to the point though – is a brooks brother suit ok to wear out in public if your a minority? How about a jogging suit ? Blue jeans ?
If “Only” the “honorable” mayor would just publicize the guidelines for “suspicious” clothing or actions – 🙁