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Thursday, September 29, 2016

Ever since the Supreme Court upheld the health care act last Thursday 5-4, Republicans have been wailing and railing against the measure, pledging to do everything in their power to get Mitt Romney elected and repeal Obamacare on day 1. Many of them have come across as unconcerned about ultimately replacing the bill. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky), for instance, said that the 30 million uninsured were “not the issue”.

One of the key provisions in Chief Justice John Roberts’ ruling was giving states the individual power to participate in the expansion of Medicaid, which would mean that the federal government would give free money to provide health insurance to poor people. Many governors, in knee-jerk fashion, have proclaimed they will refuse the expansion, which Ezra Klein calls a deal “too good to refuse.”

Here are the politicians who are refusing the deal.

  • And how do these GOP Gov. get their Healthcare.. I believe the tax payers pay for THEIRS.. Lets see them Offer To Give Up their Healthcare, since they are so Ready to give Up Other peoples. If You can`t be part of a Solution, then stay Out of It . Discusting …

  • William Deutschlander

    I would expect nothing less from those MORONS!

  • If Obama came out in favor of oxygen, the republicans would suffocate themselves, just to prove that they are 100% anti-democratic.

    • dtgraham

      Good one.

    • George

      No, the repubs would suffocate everyone else, and blame it on Obama. They would say its not about oxygen, but an issue of freedom and small government.

  • tokoloshi27

    Hyperbole aside, exactly why should any Governor, regardless of party, not have concerns when Federal legislators are spending money in their budgets. Can anyone say “other people’s money”? After all their budgets must balance.

    How is forming an opinion that differs from yours of a ramshackle piece of legislation that only passed after substantial extra-curricular pork-trading by a small margin? Oh and by the way was not fully understood by those same legislators until after it was actually passed. Since then, it should also be pointed out, more than half of your fellow citizens are actually opposed to the ACA.

    • Actually it is not over half who oppose ACA. You are forgetting the fifth who believe that the ACA did not go far enough. Those numbers are added into the so-called negative camp. When you add those to the number who support the ACA you find the majority in favor and certainly not wanting repeal.

      • tokoloshi27

        Welcome to news via polls. The polls are the news, we don’t collectively have the attention span to assimilate our environment without someone pureeing it and feeding us manure and calling it pate.

        I see ACA as ramshackle, and I stand by that characterization. Not going far enough still is a negative. I would bet you that even those that claim to support ACA would admit that there are parts that they weren’t happy with (like LA purchase etc.). Just as most who oppose it claim to like some individual parts of it (like portability). It just doesn’t work as a whole and it was designed to be a financial scam from it’s inception.

        For polls, it is all in how the question(s) are asked. There are no ‘boxes’ for independent thinking, no opportunity to be an individual. It’s all about being in the herd; sad when you think about it.

    • Once again I find myself explaining to someone that money collected by the Government in taxes is NOT “other people’s money”. It is the money a citizen pays the Government to take care of them. It’s the Government’s money. Fortunately, we live in a country where you can elect a Government that agrees with your priorities.

      • tokoloshi27

        True, to an extent. You omit to mention the various layers of Government and while you do mention the Citizens’ right to be represented at each level, you make the monolith sound like it is entitled to as much of its Citizens’ money as it can get. Which I think you will agree is not the case. Future taxes, in my opinion, are other people’s money, up until the time they are due.

        Nor do you mention revenues the Government can raise through other methods, leasing lands and underground rights it may hold. Those and tariff-type revenues have been know to entirely support previous federal governments of these United States.

        Income tax was originally introduced as a short-term method for one democratic President to support a foreign war. They (the war, the President & the tax) were not very popular; but now income taxes seem a necessity to promote our government’s standard of spending.

        It still doesn’t belong to them until they gather it, of course, in the main, they try to collect it before it is owed (borrow anyone) and pay no interest on those moneys that they hold prior to the ‘debt’ coming due, which some might construe as theft of “other peoples money”.

      • We pay the Government with our money because the Government works for us.

        • catball

          If thats the case, would someone tell me who in the hell is Norquest? How can the repubs give an oath to him when the oath was given to the american people when they were elected. I don’t remember voting for norquest, do you?

  • 13observer

    Every taxpayer loves an unfunded mandate. Once the dependency grows…translation; mo folk getta go fishin stead a work cuz we got free healthcare. Now how bout $25.00 per hr min wage and mo welfare to penalize the HARD WORKIN and RICH FOLK fo earnin to much money so they got to pay taxes and don’t get the free stuff. WE THE PO, DEMAND MO! You got to love the spirit of America and the GUILT COMPLEX many suffer every day…………NOT ME!

    • First you need to understand what tax is,

      “To tax (from the Latin taxo; “I estimate”) is to impose a financial charge or other levy upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a stateor the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law. Taxes are also imposed by many administrative divisions. Taxes consist of direct tax or indirect tax, and may be paid in money or as its labour equivalent (often but not always unpaid labour).
      A tax may be defined as a “pecuniary burden laid upon individuals or property owners to support the government […] a payment exacted by legislative authority.”[1] A tax “is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution, exacted pursuant to legislative authority” and is “any contribution imposed by government […] whether under the name of toll, tribute, tallage, gabel, impost, duty, custom, excise, subsidy, aid, supply, or other name.”

      Translation – You have no choice, and you don’t get to pick and choose what taxes are spent on. Nothing is free, the government pays for the goods and services that it provides its citizens, sometimes at little or no costs to the individual citizens. The Governments job is to see to the welfare of it’s citizens, so those of us that can, chip in to provide money for the Government to do this. The trick is to put people in office (with your vote) that see things your way.

  • karinursula

    What I like to know what is Un-american about health care for middle class and poor people? Did the Governors ask all the people in their State if they agree?

    • 13observer

      But who pays for it, and where does it end? First healthcare, then wages, benefits etc. the federal government is not suppose to LEGISLATE these things!!! That is what UNIONS are for! Organize a UNION at your workplace today! The National Labor Relations Act provides most everyone in the private sector the opportunity to organize and bargain collectively with their employer. If you don’t have the balls to stand up and be counted, then you will get exactly what you are NOT asking for……..NOTHING. Unions are not a “flash from the past”, they are essential to all working men and women…..know it or not.

      • The Federal Government shouldn’t have to legislate a lot of things, but they know better than to wait for “the people” to do the right thing, take Civil Rights for instance.

      • catball

        I live in a non-union state. We are all so lucky to have the “right to work for nothing” The rich get richer & the poor get poorer.

  • jerrimyers

    Most Floridians think that first he’s a proven medicare crook who got away with his the fruits of his crime and his crime and second that he has an agenda and it’s not an agenda that is good for Florida. The voters made a big mistake. No other way to say it. Mistakes are to be learning events and Florida has learned alot from this big one. I predict that this Scot mistake will make for really good political fodder next time around and Florida will elect a serious governonr who will do a good job for us.

    • ExPAVIC

      The Truth

      Rick Scott is against any type of health care reform until he figures out a way to rip it off like he did with Medicare for $1.8 billion.

      The American Taliban Republican plutocrats in Florida are so dumb that they elected a crook for governor. So until the next election he enjoys a 30% approval rating.

      All that needs to be done in Florida is to convince the blue hairs that if they vote for a Democrat that God will still love them.

      I wish the native Floridians would start wearing hats in the hot sun, and also quit going to family reunions trying to pick up dates.

  • CAThinker

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned… and these asses will pontificate on how bad this is for the country while people die… Wonderful. Just wonderful.

  • Stones4

    I can not in anyway understand why the U.S Congress can,t do something ,or pass something to help the average American and start reducing our debt. There is only one thing that will do this and it is provide many more jobs for Americans. If the Republicans win we go into a worse depression. If the Democrats win its Bankruptcy. It must be compromise.

    I think all we as citizens can do is Pray for strong common sence, honest Leadership. I don,t think either canidate for President has any of these qualities. And in the Congress and Senate i feel the same way about them.

  • Hopefully one day we’ll see this disreputable group of malcontents in a police lineup.

    • jarheadgene

      WHERE YOU WILL SEE those with hearts that were cold for their fellow man is in the line for judgement. Their sins will be weighed upon them and they will be banished from God. The golden rule has 2 parts…1)Love thy God with all thy heart, mind and soul, and 2) Love thy neighbor as thyself.

    • They will get off. Money talks.

  • I constantly hear the term ” rationed healthcare” from republicans ( and uniformed others) when the health care issue is brought up in a discussion. My physician just advised me ( prescribed ) Lipitor for me the cost is unbelievable so I will be taking an alternative medication to try lowering my cholesterol. My conclusion is the term ” rationed healthcare ” can take on many forms , I guess it depends on whether or not you can afford health insurance to begin with. The medical profession is held hostage by insurance companies , HMO’s and pharmacutical companies , end of story.

  • glockthirty

    ” which would mean that the federal government would give free money to ” this liberal journalist must have skipped math and economics. ‘Free money” only in America.

    • NOTHING THAT MAN PRODUCES IS FREE. So my advice is to quit spreading that Conservative lie or PROVE it is a truth.

  • Don’t forget South Dakota and its hack GOP Governor, Dennis Daugaard. He falls right in line with the rest of these fools when it comes to screwing over the poor.

    • catball

      We have a real prince in Kansas. Sam Brownback. This guy is a T-Bagger, and is trying to tell women how they should live. It wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t make a law where we have to ware buekas.

  • 13observer

    Stop bitching about what you don’t have or blamming someone like the wealthy, organize a UNION and fight to get ahead like they did.

    • I agree, but don’t forget that we have a large number of so-called right-to-work states they make it very hard, if not impossible to form a union. Most of us know what right-to-work actually means, but far too many ill informed don’t understand the irony of the term itself.

  • Any Governor who refuses to obey a Supreme Court Ruling,should be charged with contemtp as any citizen,even more,they are individuals elected by the people,not the Corporations.The arm of the Law should place them where they deserve to go,,,jail.

    • tokoloshi27

      Get a grip, man. Courts don’t write laws, not supposed to anyway.

      The actual SCOTUS ruling did give States more options than the way ACA was originally written, what they are doing is legal.

      Contempt is limited to events within the judicial process, and free-speech is their and your Constitutional right.

  • My first reaction last week, when I first heard of their comments, was what will the voters of their states do about this? How do you tell your fellow citizens that you will continue to be against helping the less fortunate among us? Also, you will refuse to take billions of dollars designed to help your state. All of these states have high percentages of uninsured citizens who need help now and these guys are hurting the common good for political points. Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insane. A pox on them all. I sincerely hope the citizens rise up and help their leaders get the message.

    • tokoloshi27

      Lynda; where did those ‘billions’ come from in the first place? Its a ‘bait and switch’, its written to bribe a State with their own taxpayers money to do something that they have the responsibility to do; but in a certain way that may not – over the long term – be in their own interest.

      It is complicated, that why it wasn’t presented until the last moment and it took the whole Healthcare industry years to assimilate. The other shoes are still dropping.

  • How are Republicans and Tea Partyers funding industry and business in the States they represent? They cut funding to education, health care, mental health, and social programs to help the homeless and unemployed Americans. The funding provided to industry and business is not intended to encourage industry and business to hire people, it is intended to encourage industry and business to prevent hiring people. Industry and business are having a field day with this. That is how Republicans and Tea Partyers can cite unemployment as a weapon against President Obama. They know what they are talking about because they are the manipulators of it. The unemployment departments in the States of these Republicans and Tea Partyers are ordered to prevent giving unemployment to individuals to fan the flames of discontent toward the Obama Administration. Unemployment agencies accept applications and defer them for three months due to some contrived error over and over until an unemployed individual becomes discouraged in applying and gives up. This Republican and Tea Party scheme goes on unnoticed and is called a “failure of Obama to provide jobs!” But the instigator of murder is worse than the murderer. Republicans and Tea Partyers are traitors to America and the American people. They should state how they would help America to recover and how they will create jobs instead of playing on the fear and desperation they have incited in the people.

    • jarheadgene

      When their tried and true methods are as demigogues, how can they stop? They live to put the American people in fear. It is a way of control, they have been successful at it since before McCarthy.

    • DurdyDawg

      They have stated how they will help America recover over and over rob.. Does the word “Uh” ring a bell? Or how about, “Once we control the house and senate and consequentially the white house, things will take care of themselves”.. Either these lug nuts know something we don’t (like opening the door to hiring now that Obama is out) or their total insane psychotics (debate up in the air).

  • Will someone, ANYONE Please tell me HOW refusing funding for Health Care spites the President? What it DOES do is spite and penalize the poorest of the poor in their States, folks who ALREADY have too many strikes against them! These ReTHUGlican Governors are SERIOUSLY mentally and Emotionally disturbed if they think the President will feel ANY of their ire. Once again it’s the Innocent who will suffer. Really sad and pitiful, don’t you think?

  • TJT99

    It’s amazing how these governors continue to get the level of public support they get given that they have NO interest in the welfare of their constituents. If they would ask anyone on Medicare (or Medicaid) if they would be willing to give up their benefit, it would be surprising if they even found one (non multi-millionaire) to agree. Let’s concentrate on making the ‘act’ stronger and not on how to get rid of Obama! Start thinking about improving the welfare of the people that elected you!

  • When you look at the numbers of uninsured in their respective states, they are enough to vote the fools out of office when their terms end. Vote your anger at their indifference to other peoples’ suffering. The opposite of love is not hate. With hate there is feeling and emotion; with indifference there is an absence of emotion…No caring whatsoever. This speaks volumes of what their values truly are.

  • onedonewong

    wait until those States that subcome to obamacare medicaid send in their first bills only to find out that congress hasn’t appropriated the $$$$

  • dave982

    I think these governors are setting a very dangerous precedent. Like it or not the Affordable Care Act is now the law of the land upheld by the Supreme Court. What makes these governors so arrogant to think they can just ignore the law simply because they hate Obama? I don’t like the Patriot Act but it’s the law. What if the governor of Illinois decided he wasn’t going to allow the TSA to do passenger screenings at O’Hare?