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Friday, September 30, 2016

The Debate Awards: Who Won, Who Lost, And Does It Really Matter?

The Debate Awards: Who Won, Who Lost, And Does It Really Matter?

Winner: To Be Determined.

Despite the obvious temptation to judge the debate like a boxing match and declare a winner immediately, it’s still too early to tell who actually won.

Mitt Romney scored a clear victory in terms of style — he spoke forcefully into the camera, delivered all of his favorite talking points, and managed to get away with several big lies by running roughshod over moderator Jim Lehrer. The subjects that present the most political danger for Romney — immigration, gun control, women’s health, and his “47 percent” remarks — were never mentioned by either Lehrer or Obama.

Whether Romney’s performance will have a tangible impact on the race remains to be seen, however. The debate featured few (if any) memorable moments, and — with the exception of some policy shifts from Romney, which cannot be taken at face value at this point — gave us very little new information about the candidates. That favors the man in the lead, President Obama.

To put it another way: The fundamental state of the race — Obama holding a narrow but consistent lead — has not changed in over a year, through countless speeches, positive and negative jobs reports, natural disasters, diplomatic crises, and two political conventions. Is this bland debate going to fundamentally change that? Until we know the answer, it’s premature to declare a winner.

Loser: Jim Lehrer

Lehrer was completely unable to control the debate, letting the candidates talk over him, ignore his attempts to direct the conversation or enforce the loose time limits, and do everything but openly mock his authority as a moderator. Romney especially steamrolled Lehrer, prompting Obama for America Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter to quip: “I don’t think we need a moderator at the next debate… we have Mitt Romney.”

Maybe having an 80 year-old man presiding over a debate with few to no guidelines wasn’t the greatest idea.

Best Dodge: Romney On Simpson-Bowles

When Lehrer asked Romney if he supported the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan, Romney essentially answered “no, but I blame Obama for not supporting it anyway.”

“I have my own plan,” Romney told Lehrer, but “the president should have grabbed” Simpson-Bowles anyway and fought for it in Congress.

Crucially, Romney was able avoid mentioning that his own running mate, Paul Ryan, was instrumental in killing the plan in its infancy (and preventing Obama from “grabbing” it).

Best Answer From Romney: On Oil Subsidies

When President Obama criticized the $4 billion in subsidies received by oil companies every year, Romney fired back with his strongest answer of the night, countering the president’s point by noting that the Obama administration has put $90 billion into subsidizing green jobs, and that half of the recipient companies failed.

Although Romney’s response was largely false — it’s not true that half of the recipients have failed, he was wrong about the amount subsidizing Big Oil, and Romney himself actually supports much of the green jobs spending (most notably the money that goes towards “clean coal”) — it was nevertheless a strong moment in terms of style. By mentioning specifics, which he is generally loath to do, Romney presented himself as the competent business veteran that his campaign has been unsuccessfully promoting for years.

  • I find our political debates interesting inasmuch as they give us an opportunity to determine how familiar the candidates are with issues of national and international importance, their demeanor, and how they react under pressure. The debates, however, are not a replacement for demonstrable performance, deeds, values, ethics, vision of the future, and the record of the candidates and their political parties. Analyzing the record of the candidates and their parties, reviewing the parties’ platforms, and making an effort to understand the character and attributes of the candidates is far more important than a cute retort for those who have the best interest of the country in mind.
    Unfortunately, the outcome of elections in the USA are often determined by perceptions or illusions rather than facts, or careful analysis of performance or qualifications. Mitt Romney’s shift to the center, his decision to renege on his original tax plan, and become a champion of the middle class after months of ignoring mainstream America may seem cynical to us, but it is likely to be welcomed by many undecided voters. Not only is he now claiming that his tax plan involves a 20% tax reduction for everyone, he is now a champion of the safety net who plans to restore the $716B in projected MEDICARE spending! He now supports regulation and claims he didn’t know companies that outsource jobs get tax breaks. Wow! His claim that domestic oil production is at record levels IN SPITE OF PRESIDENT OBAMA’s POLICIES went unchallenged. There is no question that Mitt Romney benefited from the first debate, and it would not surprise me if he takes the lead in some polls.
    In the end those who support the GOP record established by Reagan and Bush I and II when they were in office will vote for Mitt Romney. Those who believe the record established by Clinton and Obama is consistent with their values and expectations will vote for President Obama…regardless of how the candidates perform during the scripted debates. The big question is how Independent and undecided voters will react to the debates. We will find out soon enough.

    • Tammie oldham

      There you go again, Dominick, being the voice of reason. Thank you.

    • neece00

      The sad part is that Mitt Romney continues to lie and he has a way of making the lie sound plausable and then many people walk away with what they think are facts. The facts are: Mitt Romney has tax havens all over the world, he does not care about 47% and he believes that 200 thousand to 250 thousand are the middle class. So what does that make 75% of the people who make under 100 thousand per year, chopped liver.

      • bf

        I don’t have enough information to put it in to a percentage but there are a lot of Americans who do not pay any taxes at all. Many of them are here illegally while many simply dodge paying taxes. I don’t know about you but as a tax paying citizen, I am angry over those who think they are entitled to a free ride. And as for lies, it was obvious last night that Barack was intentionally trying to twist things said by Romney to make Romney look bad. Romney stated numerous times very clearly, that he will not reduce or alter in any way the tax structure of the wealthy yet Barack kept coming back and talking about him reducing their taxes. Romney actually was very honest last. His Big Bird thing I am sure caused him a lot of votes even though Sesame Street can always go to another channel. It is more the shows the eldery watch will have no other network to go to. But at least he was honest. And when the night was done, I have a good idea what Romney intends to do whether I like it or not but Barack, I am clueless over what he will do over the next 4 years. Seems like Barack needs to start explaining how he intends to do what he says as well as Romney.

        • Romney was honest? Really??? When? For your info since you say you are lacking in info, whether one is hear legally or illegally they still pay taxes. IRS figures show an overpayment of over 20Billion per year from people paying on wrong SS numbers. They pay every tax you and I pay with their vehicle tax, state sales tax on items bought, property taxes, withholding taxes etc. What they do not get is any “entitlement funds such as Medicare or Medicaid or SS or unemployment benefits. In 1986 Ronald Reagan gave them hospital privileges if they go to the emergency room and you can understand how that has lead to health care increases and ties up the hospitals.

          You have a computer since you were able to post here may I suggest that you use it to research next time before you post nonsense like what you did here.

        • William Deutschlander

          I do not beleive that you understand the Republican, Romney platform. 85% of his core advisers, and if elected his cabinet, are from the G W Bush Admin. The G W Bush Admin. passed two tax cuts, entered two flawed wars and added a prescription drug program which ADDED 5 Trillioin Dollars to the National Debt pushing the U S A & World into a near depression with 23 million citizens unemployed.
          A Romney presidency would continue the G W Bush Flawed Legacy and with the Warped Republican House would add steroids to the Flawed, Ibecelic G W Bush Legacy, we would be on the financial path of the Soviet Union, which Putin would heartily endorse.
          Remember the Boehner statement that all he needs is someone who can hold a pen and sign his name.
          Remember that Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and Kyl OBSTRUCTED every effort presented that would have added employment opportunity, put cash in working class pockets and resulted in our economy moving forward at a faster rate than the Obama Admin. was able to do without any help from the four noted above and their colleagues.
          Without a VIBRANT MIDDLE CLASS and those not able to reach the middle ground yet, having money to spend on neccessities the ECONOMY WILL NEVER GROW and RECOVER, we will slowly decline to third world status and the wealthy will have to seal themselves off from those disgruntled and in great need, with high walls and their own militas.
          Is that REALLY the AMERICAN DREAM?

          • kanawah

            William D.

            The Soviet economy would look good compaired to what Mittens is proposing.

            The wealth distribution is skewed to the top now. It would be much worse under a Mittens Miss Administration.

        • Barack will continue to try to do what he worked on for the last four years in spite of the do-nothings who vowed to do nothing but make him a one term president. If your people had put half as much energy into helping solve the issues they helped create rather than pass innumerable bills to repeal the Affordable Health Care Act (which was substantially validated by the Supreme Court) then we might not be wondering what went wrong.
          Mitt pulled out the old Etecha-scetch, last night, and re-set much of his platform for the national audience that he didn’t display for his local campaigning. Typical Mitt.
          BTW, my son and father pay little in taxes. Guess that makes them low lifes to you despite that the fact that my 82 year old dad can’t survive on SS and has had to continue working to this day. And my son works in food service at a fairly high-end establishment making less than 12 bucks a hour and supports a family, without assistance except from me. If he didn’t love the job and didn’t see a better future ahead, I would demand that he move on to something more lucrative even if he hated it. Much like I wound up doing.
          Face it, Mitts a liar with no real feeling for the real middle class. His idea of job creation is to hire one more illegal to mow the lawn of one of his many estates. Most of us mow our own lawn on the one home we try not to have forclosed.
          Regards.

        • Lloyd1957

          There are those who do not pay taxes, but many illegal immigrants do pay taxes. Many sign up for an ITIN number and file their taxes that way. Plus they don’t qualify for food stamps or welfare, so they aren’t living off the rest of us. They use local catholic charities if they need assistance, but most work hard to support their families. The others that don’t pay taxes are military, seniors making under a certain amount of income and the disabled. Both candidates didn’t blow me away. The moderator was horrible and should have put both on the spot.

          • grammyjill

            I’m disabled and get 4600. per year and I pay taxes on it.

          • Lloyd1957

            I guess that would also depend on who you claim and exemptions. Last year 99 percent of people earning less than $10,000 per year paid no income tax. About 1 percent of the top 1 percent of income earners, those making about $533,000 or more, did not pay income taxes. They pay other taxes though, payroll taxes, state and local taxes, sales.

        • one_veteran

          FYI, (as you admit you have NO information about the “47%) The 47% Romney was taped talking about and he dosen’t care about, includes over $2,000 with income OVER 1 Million, Disabled Veterans who can’t work, many “working poor” because McDonalds dosen’t pay enough to owe “Income Tax” many on Social Security (I guess Romney wants 85 year olds to go find a job?) besides which People on Social Security retirement have Paid in all their lives. These are people Romney and Ryan are saying “are on the dole” Romney could care less about our Veterans (to include those of us who came home with Physical and mental injuries) GOP motto is “support our troops” (untill they come home!!!)

        • People, here, illegally and working have withholdings taken out of their paychecks and since they must produce a government ID number, many of them do not file taxes. However, put the blame where it belongs. Those greedy creeps that bring them here to avoid paying a living wage to people already here. And don’t bring up the old saw about them taking jobs our citizens won’t. The undocumented workers are in construction and yard work and every other unskilled job. Because they are here illegally, the employer can cheat them every way he can.

          • Greedy Creeps Like Romney Who Has Hired Them In The Past !! Maybe Not Now Cause He’s In The Spot Light But He Is Known To Hire Them Around His Houses Or Should I Say Mansions!!!

          • old_blu

            Hey, Fern maybe that is where he is going to get that 12million jobs he talks about, he can put them all to work at his house’s.

        • kanawah

          For his “presentation” last night, Mittens deserves a whole truck load of Penochoes.

          He has changed his position on so many things so many times, he is about to ware out the etch-a-sketch.

          Either what he said last night or what he said before is a LIE!

        • jarheadgene

          Given enough time to shake the pad again HE can agree with anyone about anything, and appear honest to anyone about anything. THINK Etcha Sketch.

        • awakenaustin

          There is no significantly measurable percentage of Americans alive who don’t pay taxes in some form. If you eat you pay taxes. If you buy anything you pay taxes. You could not find anyone in this nation who fits your description of people who think they are entitiled to a free ride. You just imagine there are such people becuase it conveniently fits your preexisting prejudices.

      • OakenTruncheon

        Sounding plausible is what politics is about. What candidates actually believe is not relevant to campaign ‘stratergery’.

        • And that works because the voting populace is STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!

      • montanabill

        Would you please identify Mr. Romney’s tax havens and exactly how they were funded and how they work?

        • Montana Bill, that has been done. You can find the information online.

          • montanabill

            I searched and all I found were ‘suspicious’, ‘likely’, ‘old’, ‘could have’, etc. outside of bloggers on HuffPo who wouldn’t know a donut from a bagel. Absolutely nothing definitive in response to my question. If you definite proof of nefarious financial activity by Romney, Obama and the IRS would love to hear from you.

          • Why did Rommey released only the recent income tax, 2010,2011? What about 2005 or 2006. And why it took him so long to do so?

          • montanabill

            What about 1998 or 1967? Other people in the past running for President didn’t release more tax returns than that. Roosevelt’s tax returns were not released until after his death. Obama’s people are simply using those calls as a distraction to keep you from paying attention to his failures. All they are doing is trying to stir up wealth envy. In your case, it is working.

          • You people, who think that Obama is a good president, are truly, and I mean truly, delusional. Stop smoking the weed and get back to reality.

          • highpckts

            At least we don’t stick our heads in the sand when we don’t want to acknowledge something that’s proven true!! We are not brainwashed and mindless!!

        • neece00

          Where have you been Mr. Mont, for the last 4 months. Does Cayman Islands, Switzerland, Bermuda or Luxembourg ring any bells for you. This is where Romney and his family have assets. Doesn’t it bother you that we (you and I) pay our 28% each year to the government and he pays his 14% and yet he has so much more than you or I.

          • He also made very lucrative tax free investments in Italy, but in all fairness they were perfectly legal insofar as complying with our laws is concerned. Whether or not doing things like that at a time when our economy is struggling and our balance of payments is in the dumps is another matter.

          • neece00

            Legal but maybe not so ethical

          • montanabill

            All nice places to visit, but certainly not illegal to have assets there. This is a big todo for ignorant people. I pay way more than 28% on my earned income, but pay about the same as Romney on my capital gains, maybe a little more. Again, this is a big todo for the ignorant. Whatever he has, he has earned. If you feel bad about it, go earn an equal amount yourself. There is absolutely nothing to stop you.
            By the way, wouldn’t it be nice to have a really smart person in the White House instead of a faker?

          • Justin Napolitano

            Well Bill, you have made several assumptions the first being that Romney is so smart. He may be smart about running a company but that does not mean he can run the Federal Government. Secondly, if we are to get our economy growing, at the rate it needs to, then money needs to be invested in this country. Romney has his money invested overseas and is helping those economies but what about ours?
            I heard the other day that Apple has 117 billion dollars, mostly held, overseas and someone was asking how they could invest all of that money. How about they build a plant here in the US and employ the people, here, that buy their products. I won’t buy an Apple product because they don’t care about Americans. Let them choke on their money and let Romney choke on his.

          • montanabill

            So you immediately make the assumption that a person with no real world experience, a state senator who mostly voted present and who was an undistinguished, very short term senator, certainly has all the experience necessary to run the Federal government. A pretty sad argument.

            Romney, has some money invested overseas, just as any other prudent investor. Yet, for some reason, you demonize this. If the U.S. economy looked to be in good hands, you can bet trillions of dollars would be flowing to U.S. companies, but that is not the case, is it?

            Businesses are not formed to hire people. People who are smart enough to grow their net worth, go where investments will pay off. You may be unhappy about that, but it is the way of the world. The key is to stop being a ideological martyr, and start working to make America competitive again in the world. It can be done, but not with Obama’s policies or your attitude.

          • awklause

            “Businesses are not formed to hire people?” What are you talking about? Please explain.

          • montanabill

            Businesses are created to make money. Hiring people is a side effect.

          • highpckts

            Excuse me?? Businesses are not formed to hire people?? Well me what is the point then!! Without a product, idea, or service to sell? Can you run any business without hiring?? Where do you come up with stuff?? Am I missing your point??

          • montanabill

            No, businesses are not formed to hire people. If you were to form a business to sell widgets and you could sell widgets on the internet or sell widgets by hiring a sales force and either way you could sell the same amount of widgets, which would generate the most profit? If you could make more profit without the cost of a sales force, which would you do?

            The whole idea of a business is not to sell shoes or manufacture cars, it is to make a profit. No one will create a business just to hire people. If you need people to create the product or service, and you can sell that product or service for more than it costs to hire the people, you will start the business and hire the people. If all you can do is hire people and break even, you will not start the business.

            This is really something you should have learned in school.

          • montanabill: highpckts & awklause are but 2 of the ” posters” to this cesspol called The National Memo that have absolutely NO CLUE about the economy and what drives it. No wonder you read on this site sooo many statements and concepts that constitute total ABSURDITIES.
            These same ignorant people happen to believe that you can make poor people richer by making rich people poorer.
            These same people also have no idea (completely clueless) about what it means to ” increase the size of the pie”.
            These same people want to demonize Romney about what he ” would” do to our Nation, …. but want to re-elect Obozo without any consideration about what he ALREADY HAS DONE to the economy of our Nation.
            They are clueless, clueless, clueless !!

            P.S. – I can already hear them answering my valid points with ” What planet are you from?” LOL !!!

          • Like Mitt maybe you were born with a silver spoon. Mitt did not make all his money. Republicain always talk about God, but they never remember what Jesus said. Help each other. I was hungry you give me food. He was talking to us.

          • montanabill

            Yeah, I was born with a silver spoon and raised in a tiny house on a dirt street in the poorest part of town. I started working at age 10. FYI, Mitt did make all his money. He did not start at the top. He was exactly like most successful people in this country, he simply worked harder and smarter than others. The Romney’s gave over 29% of their income to charity. All surveys show that Republicans as a group are far more charitable than Democrats.

            If you are hungry and sick or disabled, I will give you food. If you are hungry and are capable of working, I will ask you to work for that food. If you are hungry and have made that your way of life, I will ignore you.

          • CPANY

            If you are aspiring to be the president of the United States, you must not only invest your money here, you must actively seek legislation that will penalize those American companies that export jobs. Outsourcing must, through legislation, be equated with economic treason just as those who hire illegal aliens off the books must be prosecuted for tax evasion.

          • Dave_dido

            I know a madam who earned a lot of money pulling tricks and Al Capone earned a lot of money bootlegging , killing people and bribing officials. I would put Romney’s way of earning money just below them on the morality chart and way, way below them in degree of difficulty. I wouldn’t want any of them for my President.

          • montanabill

            For all of your indignation, you have no idea what Bain Capital does, how it works or what it’s success rate is. Staying blind will not serve you well.

          • highpckts

            Well us ignorant people aren’t all so lucky to have capital gains, various loopholes, and panels of lawyers to take advantage of all that! I work hard for every dollar! I have never cheated or hidden anything! I follow the rules! Romney on the other hand doesn’t see anything wrong with want he’s doing because he has never had to answer to anybody! You could tell that from the debate! He was a bully when he was young and he still is!!

          • montanabill

            You are making some pretty erroneous assumptions simply because a man has been able to do what you have not been able to do. You and Romney live under the same rules. He has planned his life differently than you planned yours. Since you don’t know his history, I will tell you that he didn’t start rich. He has broken no laws. He simply used his education, that he worked for, and his intellect to make the decisions that got him where he is today.

            As far as the debate, he was simply better prepared. If you think a guy who is simply running for office can bully the President, just imagine how weak that President appears to other world leaders.

          • 345_719

            Where do come off that rommny wasn’t born rich? His father was a ceo at GM and also governor of Michigan, whicdh was a diaster. His daddy pulled strings to send him to france as a missionary to avoid the draft. A profession he gave up as soon as the draft ended.Don’t try to convince us how rough he had it. Stay on your dirt road in the sticks.

          • montanabill

            If you are ignorant it is best not to comment. His father was President of American Motors not a CEO at GM. He was elected three times to be the Governor of Michigan, so he couldn’t have been too much of a disaster.

            As a member of the Mormon Church, young men and women are expected to do missionary work. That is exactly what Mitt was doing in France. His father didn’t pull any strings and it wasn’t a profession.

            By the time his father died and left him some funds, Mitt had already completed working his way through college as a married man with kids. He had started Bain and was already successful with it. He used the money his father left him to start the George W. Romney Institute of Public Management at BYU.

            So you take your mythical, envious, version of Romney and vote for Obama so everyone can be poor and dumb and you won’t feel alone.

          • CPANY

            Not if that “really smart person” is a lying elitist prick.

          • highpckts

            I don’t care if Romney has more than me. I care that he pays his fair share and doesn’t cheat the system!!

      • All I Seen Is More Lies And Flip Flopping Now The President Can Make An Ad On All The CRAP Romney Said Cause He Just Flip The Same Way He Always Do!!! Lying Bastard!!! One Day You Feel Like A Nut One Day You Don’t!! Romney Is A True SOCIOPATH!!!

        • Fern that was romney’s strategy to try and sound like he was for everything Obama was. I hope people remember what he said in his campaign speeches about tax breaks for the so-called job creators and changing Medicare.

          • I noticed that as well. At one point I was waiting of Obama to ask Romney why he was running if he agreed with everything Obama said. I also felt Romney was a bully toward the moderator.

        • And that tactic of Lying works because the voting populace is STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Don

            where did this $716 trillion dollars come in that the President took for Medicare. Romney repeated it about three times. Congress would have had to vote for it as for the past two years the House was Republican, so where?

          • One of the most critical parts of Romney’s campaign strategy is to scare people into believing the President Obama is destroying MEDICARE to get their votes. The $716B in PROJECTED savings over the next ten years involves better control over the claims submitted by service providers, insurance companies, and the elimination of duplication brought about as a result of the Affordable Care Act. Not only are senior benefits not affected, they are actually being enhanced to include lower RX copays, free screenings, and the elimination of the donut hole. Romney claimed that service providers will turn down patients as a result of the “cuts” (savings), that is not true, service providers and insurance companies already agreed with the new rules because they know they are going to benefit from the huge increase of new paying patients as a result of the ACA mandate. Romney lied repeatedly about this and other topics because he knows a lot of people, especially seniors, don’t have the means to research policy and determine facts. He is deceiving senior citizens the way W deceived the nation with his justifications to invade Iraq. Sadly, a lot of people will probably take the bait.

          • Dave_dido

            Good explanation, Dominick. You might want to point out that Ryan’s plan actually does cut $716 million in benefits. Of course, Romney would have just denied any association with the Ryan plan.
            The sad part of the debate was that President Obama missed almost every opportunity to call Romney out on his deceptions. Chris Matthews said Pres. Obama needs to start watching MSNBC so he can bone up on the arguments! I think he was sadly ill-prepared for the debate. However, the truth will out. I think you will start seeing some TV ads which will juxtapose contradictory Romney statements, and he’s going to look bad. Unfortunately for the Prez, he doesn’t seem to think well on his feet. Presidential decisions usually require some deliberation, so maybe the ability to give quick, glib answers just doesn’t serve him. But he’d better prepare better for the next two debates- at least work on his body language- or he’s going to come across as wimpy.

          • 345_719

            I don’t think the president needed to fire back. He just let rommny dig a hole with his mouth

          • 345_719

            Very well said Dominick. Most of your posts are right on. I enjoy hearing from you.

          • Justin Napolitano

            Obama hasn’t taken a dime from medicare. The providers and insurance companies agreed to lower their rates in return for having an additional 30 million insured patients.

          • citizencandy

            Wow!!!, Wow!
            Ye of little faith. So you think those of us who seriously believe in the welfare of this country and are eligible to vote are “STUPID!!!” vote our of ignorance???? In the words of a SLJ. “WAKE THE F..k UP”……. Those idiots who feed us ‘all’ this info about unrelated ‘bull’ are trying to keep people from the poles thinking it’s pointless and we have no real choices…. I’m not “STUPID” are you????

          • WOW Maybe Rick Santorum Might Have Been Talking About YOU ” WE Never Will Have The Smart People On Our Side” But We Are SMART And We ARE NOT FALLING FOR ROMNEYHOOD BULLSHIT!!! Romney Must Going To Return The Money He Made To China, India, And Mexico For The Jobs He Say He Will Bring, Here’s A Clue Tricky Mitty If You Had Not Sold The American Jobs To Other Countries In The FIRST PLACE America Would Be In No Need Of JOBS!!! ASSHOLE!!!

          • Mitt classmates are right. yesterday Mitt act like a bully. For me nothing change MY VOTE IS FOR OBAMA.

        • Fernie: YOU are the SOCIOPATH …. and your Obozo took such a beating !!! LOL !!

          • highpckts

            He didn’t take beating! Romney walked all over the moderator and President Obama didn’t have as much time to prepare because he is the PRESIDENT!!! Obama’s body language showed his distaste for all the untruths Romney keeps saying! Nothing has changed because Romney hasn’t changed!

          • high: Excuses, excuses !!
            Obummer was, and will be after November 6th, pathetic (and in dire need of a teleprompter) !!

        • vcbruno2

          SO IS OBUMMER. Like placing people in power without due process of congress or the senate. Right.. The First Hispanic Judge. Like killing an american without due process of the law in a foriegn country. Right. The fanatic american islamist. NO THAT is not sociopath??? Right.

        • Quit crying, if Obama had a good debate, you would be all rejoicing. Romney has had the same message for years, just the first time many of you actually seen him in person without all the false accusations and portrayals from The Democrats, Obama & the Media. Obama never had to defend himself from his 4 years of disaster until Romney exposed him for all his failures. Obama didn’t have a good debate because he had nothing to defend, he knows how bad his policies have been for “everyone”, and he wants more of the same?

        • RURIGHT

          Like your Mother?

      • dham69

        Poor baby you are just so upset, right along with chris mathews, obama showed weakness. Obama failed just like his economic socialist ideas. Stronger middle class. Middle class can’t grow unless their are jobs. Obama wants trickle down, but from the government and how exactly does that work. He is a failed president, the socialist/marxist democrats have destroyed this country and the middle east is in shambles with people dying. It obamas policies which are killing people in the middle east. He needs to go the way of the dodo bird.

        • old_blu

          I know you want to tell me and I have ask many. What and how is Romney going to do to make it better? I still don’t know. Why should I change my vote? I don’t want to hear what Obama has or hasn’t done I want to know what Romney and how Romney is going to do better. Whistle, whistle, tap, tap.

          • kanawah

            Mittens is going to give the super rich (including himself) more massive tax cuts, and kick the rest of us to the curb.

          • BDC_57

            Romney is flip flopping lier.

          • dham69

            This is very easy, obama has nothing to run on, obama has spent more than any president ever. there is no recovery, we have over 8% unemployment. Obama has no clue on what he is doing, Romney has more experience in his little finger than obama has in his entire body. Obama believes in trickle down economics from the government, which will allow the government to tell you how to live. This is already happening. Not a hard choice vote for a failure or vote for a very successful business person who also ran a state as govenor

          • old_blu

            So you can tell me what Obama has or hasn’t done, (according to Fox News, and Rush) but you can’t tell me what Romney is going to do to make it better, or how he is going to do it. Rable rable rable Obama can’t do it because Romney is better rable rable, that don’t convince me to change my vote.

          • dham69

            Romney has laid out his plans. hell of allot more than obummer. Tell you what you should watch hannity listen to rush, watch oreily and staytuned to the only news agencies which will give you the entire story not just what they want you to hear or see. But you won’t, you will vote for obama no matter what. You are programmed to not think just do. You are programmed to be the puppet of these sick of fents, who could care less about you they just want the power over you. Obama goes around the constitution, which is as plane as day, but you wont see it. YOu will still vote for obama. Obama has done nothing for this country other than to destroy it. and you want to vote him back in. He tells russia, don’t worry after this election I will be able to do more. He is selling us out to the UN. and list goes on, do your own research, don’t just listen to the left and their propoganda bullshit

          • old_blu

            So let me get this right you think Rush, (the blow up doll) and Fox News are the true news and completly unbiased, sorry I can’t take their word for it, now if you tell what and how Romney is going to fix this, without using Breibart, Fox News, and Rush’s words I would believe you over them, you say I’m going to vote for Obama anyway and you are right until you tell why I should change my mind you still haven’t. Now without telling what Obama has or hasn’t done tell me why I should vote for Romney, and with facts not lies.

            I don’t want to hear anything about the left. Just tell all about how good the right is convert me, with truths.

            BTW I didn’t hear Romneys plans so tell me, and tell me without using Obama’s “failures”

          • old_blu: ” …. that don’t [sic] convince me to change my vote.” ??
            Come on, old-blu, NOTHING will convince you to change your vote, …. because you and people like you do not possess the ability to see farther away than the tip of your noses !!
            You are completely CLUELESS and, as such, you are HOPELESS.
            Tell you what, old-blu, vote for Obozo !!
            DUH !!

          • 345_719

            Check with most of the people in the state he ran. They are not happy with his tenure.

        • jebediah123

          Obama’s policies are killing people in the middle east?? wow, another Rush Limbaugh parrot. Duh, I think it was Georgie the Bush that started the ILLEGAL war on Iraq (with 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed). Try watching the nightly news.

          • BDD1951

            dham can’t do that. He’s addicted to Faux news.

          • He Or She Is Just Another Brain Dead Tea Bagging Troll!!!

          • Fern: And you are Just Another Brain Dead Occupy Wall Street Junkie ….

          • Justin Napolitano

            I think dham is addicted to crack.

          • No JUSTIN: It is Fernie girl and YOU who are heavy crack smokers, and not dham….

          • dham69

            Really, hmm illegal war, yet again another lie, it was taken to and approved by both clintons and the congress. iraqi citizens really, and how many citizens where murdered by the regime in power, what about the people murdered because they support the US. How about instead of blaming the US for everything, how about blaming the islam nut jobs, what about the terrorist who will hide behind the innocent while they are ingaging in war. How about supporting our troops, instead of supporting our enemies. You libs are all the same, spineless and obama is just like carter. Oh please don’t hurt us, we will give you billions to not hurt us. Please

          • highpckts

            You are a disgraceful American! No one likes war and yet Romney/Ryan have their fingers on the red button!! War mongers along with most of you other chest thumpers!!

          • dham69

            You arent an american, you have no clue what so ever. You have the greatest military the best trained in all respect. so you don’t have to go to war. Are you really that stupid? Do you really think that these sick islam extremist want. to dance. By the way jerk, I am an American Soldier, I am a 100% disabled soldier. I do know about terrorist I do know about bullies. You would rather blame america, because of the freedoms I have fought for, so you can talk crap. Try that in other countries, cuba you would be shot, china, you would be shot. wake up

          • dham69: highpckts is unable to answer your last post (ANY of your posts) because he is too STUPID to do so, period !

        • FredAppell

          You are a typical conservative. You could have made your point in a more civil way than to automatically start throwing insults at other contributors. You might be dangerous if you even knew what you are talking about. First off, I am a true socialist and I can tell you that Obama is no socialist. His compromises are proof that he has been trying to lead from the center. Also, you should look up the word filibuster and then research how many times the conservatives used them in order to impede President Obama.

          I am so sick and tired of hearing conservatives say how unconstitutional liberals are. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anything about Capitalism. As a matter of fact it doesn’t mention anything about Socialism or Communism either because they didn’t exist at the time. So, you need to learn about history before you open your mouth again.

          • Justin Napolitano

            Thank you Fred.

          • dham69

            For thing, I really think he is more of a marxist, that is the way he was raised that is what he was taught. Obama has not now or will ever try to lead from the center. However, it is simple, he believes in big government he believes that the government needs to control your life. I don’t, I believe that the bigger the government the less freedom we have. Im not reading the rest of your crap, for it is just crap. It is a proven fact socialism fails, marxism fails the only thing these ideas do is suppress those who are under it. The top few are the only ones who prosper. Conservative works every time, how do you think that the United States has managed to become the most powerful country in the world in less than 200 years passing up many very much older countries. Why we are a free country and the government needs to stay out of our lives and out of our lives.

            The socialist/Marxist democrat party is not the solution it is the problem and needs to be defeated on its ideas as nothing but a complete failure

          • WHAAT!

          • Charles: Is ” WHAAT!” your best shot at trying to rebut dham69 very well reasoned arguments?
            Why don’t you try the other standard answers on this site? 1) “What planet are you from?”; 2) ” You are an idiot”
            DUH !!

        • AJ Hill

          Where were you from 2001 to 2008, when Bush/Cheney and their
          right wing collaborators reduced our prosperous, peaceful, successful nation to an absolute shambles, ignited open warfare across the middle east, openly flouted international law, and precipitated the worst financial/economic crisis since the 1930s? That was the Republican Wrecking Crew in action. Now they want a chance to do it again. Your want of good grammar (and good sense) makes me think that you’re neither well educated nor financially well off, which means that you will be one of the first victims of another right wing putsch. Are you out of your mind? If you’re intent on self destruction, wouldn’t it be simpler to jump off a bridge?

          • dham69

            really, so I take it you don’t consider 3.5% unemployment good. You like the over 8% unemployment. You libs are funny, selective memory.. Bush with the attach we faced with the wars we had to go on, clintons even agreed, but yet we had 3.5% unemployment. Then because the repubs kept spending like a bunch of drunking dems, they were voted out and in came nancy and reid. You can see the stats where the economy dives right after they are elected and dives and dives. so you can’t re do history. But believe the lies you have been feed for that feeding will end very soon. Conservatism works and works every time it is tried. Socialism/marxism fails every single time.

          • 345_719

            All I know is when the Denocrats are in office I worked all the time, when the republicans came into office I was on unemployment most of the time. In less than a month of georgie taking office bussineses started laying off and the market started going down

        • highpckts

          Try the Bush presidency destroyed this country! Try as you might to deny this, history and facts don’t lie!! Denying this doesn’t undo it!!

          • dham69

            How did bush destroy this country, you are such a fool. bush 3.5% unemployment, even thou this country was attacked. The economy started to go down when the socialist/marxist democrats took control of congress. It really is plain to see. Even for a non thinking democrat like your self. By the way, obama has done more damage to this country than even carter did.

          • dham69: Not fair to call highpckts ” non thinking democrat” for 2 reasons:
            1) ALL DemocRats are ” non thinking”;
            2) In order to be able to think, and in order to be able to notice what the Obozo-” BuriedMiddleCalss”-Pelosi-Reid combo have done to this country, ….. you’ve got to possess a BRAIN !!

      • Don

        I am one od thosw who make under $15,000.00 per year just with my social security.

      • BDC_57

        He only doing it to get votes he’s flip floper lier.

      • Mainah3

        Romney wins “best performance” for acting & delivery, and his support team wins for “best [fictional] script”. However, this event is not the Academy Awards; it is for the Presidency. I hope the American people know the difference and can tell fact from fiction!

      • Jerpell

        Every time Obama opens his big mouth it’s seems to be nothing but bull and deceitful lies….The American people had a good look at Obama last night and we all saw a man that just has no clue at all!

        • highpckts

          You wish!!!

          • Jerpell

            I know the truth hurts, but Obama had no where to hide, he was out there for the whole country to see….naked without his teleprompter…I felt kinda sorry for him as he searched for answers that we all know he didn’t have, the man just doesn’t have a clue. He just wasted a four year presidential term and the country has gone backwards, more divided, more racist and more unemployed!

    • middleclasstaxpayer

      Clarification: I’m not sure HOW MANY of the solar projects Obama invested in went bankrupt, but 90% OF THE MONEY (OUR taxpayer money!) WAS LOST by OBAMA’s FAILED INVESTMENTS in SOLAR ENERGY. And NOW he’s pledged MORE MONEY for Solyndra?????

      • How do you lose tax payer money when its a lone?

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          Ernest, when you LOAN someone money for a business, you expect them to REPAY the loan. But when a company declares BANKRUPTCY, that company NO LONGER EXISTS and therefore cannot & does not REPAY the original loan….RERSULT: Taxpayers LOSE the investment made by Obama…cost (LOSS) on the Solyndra loan was OVER $500 BILLION DOLLARS to US taxpayers.

          • Justin Napolitano

            Yes. middle you are citing the Romney method of making money and screwing the taxpayers and the stock holders.
            Middle, you are still a lying sack of… fill in the blank.
            A million dollars, is one thousandth of a billion so you are off by a hundred thousand percent. I guess math is not your strong point or Romney’s is it middle?

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            I was CITING what Obama did…making a foolish, taxpayer funded BET on a small firm by giving them, with NO RECOURSE, over $500 BILLION DOLLARS…Solyndra subsequently went bankrupt and our $500 BILLION taxpayer loan money is LOST! What don’t you understand about that?

          • middle: You ask Justin “What don’t you understand about that?”
            The answer to that, middle, is that Justin DOES NOT understand ANYTHING.
            You see, he is unconditionally with Obozo, who has demonstrated that he is completely clueless !

      • citizenmb

        Always interesting to read Republicans’ CAPITAL LETTERS –shouting down their opponents’ thoughts, making up in volume for what they lack in reason.
        The energy issue, for example, must be addressed, and there will be plenty of snags until this country finds the answer. And the answer isn’t to do nothing.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          OK, no capital letters…still doesn’t change facts….90% of taxpayer monies “invested” by Obama in “solar” projects have been lost, yet Obama is proposing “more” investments in solar projects? One loss alone was over $500 billion dollars????? Do you think he’s learned anything?

          • awakenaustin

            Actually the Solyndra loan was $500 Million and not Billion. A number a little below what you say it was. If you disagree with my numbers then give the cite for yours. Mine is all over the web. Just Google Solyndra loss. Oil subsidies for last several years running numbers in the area of $40+ billion a year. Christian Science Monitor. Billions of dollars for companies making record high profits. I didn’t hear any complaint from you re: that. Your beef is that the wrong guys are getting consideration. Give a cite for your 90% figure or folks might think you made it up. I know I do.

          • jarheadgene

            $ 500 Billion……half a TRILLION dollars….really ? WRONG…and how much money goes to subsidise OIL, not just once but annually?
            OIL…the companies that repeatedley report record profits….why do we taxpayers have to prop them up?

          • middleclasstaxpayer: The answer to your question “Do you think he [Obozo] has learned anything?”, is a big NO !!
            But then again, Obozo could not avail himself last night of his teleprompter.
            Got news for you, Obozo, there ain’t going to be teleprompters on your remaining 2 debates.
            And poor Joe “The BURIED MIDDLE CLASS Clown” Biden does not have a chance against Paul Ryan!!
            Oh, brother …

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            CARUMBA!!!!!!!!!

      • Unlike Mittey when his projects went belly-up President Obama didn’t take a big pile of cash from it. Mitt speaks of “clean Coal” there is NO SUCH THING. he future of the USA lies in renewable non-harming energy and mitt does not get that at all.

        • Rvn, Absolutely correct. There is no such thing as clean coal.

      • Cairndance

        We need to keep investing in Solar and Wind power, it is the future of American energy. Some companies may win and some may lose but it is a totally renewable source of energy!
        Gas, oil and coal are finite resources!

      • Justin Napolitano

        Middle, you are a liar and a moron. Now it’s 90%. Romney said it was 50% and that was way to high. Please get your head out of your as*, the gas is affecting your mind.
        I am very tired of lying sacks of Shi* making stuff up. Either back up your comments with facts or shut the Fu** up.

        • FredAppell

          Justin, I couldn’t say it better myself. You’re balls on regarding your reply to middleclasstaxpayer. You notice how clever his user name is? Conservatives love using catchy phrases like real american or true patriot to denote that anyone who thinks differently then they do doesn’t have a right to call themselves american.

          • Listen Fraud, er, Fred: You just admitted you are a real socialist. So STFU because it is YOU, sir, that does not qualify to be an American….

    • I agree on the effective of debates. However I also believe the President let Mr. Romney have enough rope to hang his self last night. This is Mr. Romney’s central problem, low income, information voters often complain but won’t vote.
      I think people who have educated themselves about all the issues in this campaign won’t
      vote for his enhanced trickle down program.
      He avoids giving any specifics about anything. Informed voters like yourself have noticed this.

      • peteserb

        You’ve got the facts backwards. Like all liberals you don’t listen and you don’t understand.

        • jarheadgene

          Just wait a few minutes…you’ll hear the FAX(FOX) the way YOU want to hear them.

      • montanabill

        Exactly what specifics did you get in 2008 from Mr. Obama? Exactly what specifics has he defined for his second term?

        I believe you have a case of selective requirements.

        • Cairndance

          If President Obama didn’t make SPECIFIC PROMISES in 2008, then how could he have FAILED to keep those promises? It seems that is all we are hearing lately “The President has failed to keep his promises”!

          Last night Romney took back everything he has been running on for 18 months! He has said he wants a 20% tax reduction for every American. Last night he said he was not giving the wealthy a tax break!

          How do you bring in more money to run the country when everyone gets another tax break?

          • montanabill

            I really can’t believe you asked that. For example, Obama said he would cut the deficit in half. No specifics. Instead, his deficit increased. He was dealing in ‘Hope’ and “Change’, not specifics.

            You apparently were not listening. When businesses feel comfortable enough to start investing in growth again, it will mean significant job growth. People with jobs will again be paying taxes. Those additional taxes will mean significantly more revenue to the government from millions working who are not working now. Raising taxes on job creators will result in slightly more revenue from them, but less revenue from people who will lose their jobs as the result of business owners having less money to operate and a continuation of no money from those already jobless.

            This is not rocket science.

    • I thought I had been transported back to the 1860’s to watch a debate about Federalism (Mitty) and Lincoln, only Lincoln really wasn’t there. Mittey’s answer to everything was to go back to state’s rights and have the Federal Government’s only function be to give the states money and let them do whatever they want. The old Southern Democrats cry of the South will rise again is now complete and they are firmly in charge of the Republican Party. Romney did not pivot, he unveiled where the Party is now and what they want to do. Under his Federalist programs states would be allowed to end Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Civil Rights, Womens Rights in relation to abortion and any other thing the states cannot get done right now through Congress and the Courts at the Federal level. I can see 50 states going 50 different directions with a Billionaire behind every “elected” CEO of each state. Can’t get healthcare, MOVE to another state. Can’t vote, MOVE to another state. Can’t get fair pay, MOVE to another state. The Republican Party has been packing the courts at every level with members of the Federalism Society including 5 on the SCOTUS. This also explains why Texas has been saber rattling about seceding for the past few years. A Romney Presidency will begin the dismantling of the Federal Government into a Federalist State and I for one do not believe that Democracy and Federalism can co-exist.

      • When they were creating the constitution, there was a deep divide in factions that were Federalists and wanted power in the Federal government. There were those who wanted stronger states rights. The problem with strong states rights is states with higher illiteracy would be weak in laws to protect their citizens. Until the Civil Rights was signed into effect by President Johnson, murder was legal as long as a Black person was the victim. Poll taxes and Literacy tests were given and it was known that the test giver made sure who passed and who did not. Thank God, that we have federal laws to prevent lynchings and cross burnings.

        • old_blu

          I could not believe what he said about education also, so only the rich can go to the good schools.

          • old_blu: No, that is not what he said about education. You did not understand, …. but that’s OK ….

    • jarheadgene

      Romney came out doing what he had, to do, to turn his campaign around. His was a sinking ship. He talked over Obama and Leher to set HIS tone and subjects for the debate. Jim Leher may as well have not been there. Romney proved he knows taxes re corporations and how Dodd/Frank is killing small business. He exposed Obamas lack of knowledge re small business. For the last year we have seen Romney moving further and further right to appease the extremists of his party (TEAbaggers). NOW he comes out shooting from the hip and he is the more liberal moderate he use to be. What gives? Is Obama perfect, hell no; however, I cannot trust Romney and Ryan based on the fact that make bold-faced lies to the media and the American People. And I cannot trust a HYPOCRITICAL Draft-dodger like him to be commander and chief of our Armed Forces. It was a terrible debate for Obama, however, for Romney….Run his answers at the debate against video of his answers over the last 18 months…..HE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

    • montanabill

      I don’t recall the President challenging Romney for not knowing about tax breaks for job outsourcing. Wonder why?

      Exactly how could the President challenge Romney that domestic oil production is at record levels IN SPITE OF THE PRESIDENT’S POLICIES?

      Romney missed the best line of the evening when Obama referenced Bill Clinton. His response should have been, “Mr. President, you are no Bill Clinton.”

      • Tom_D44

        Montana – that is great. I thought the same thing when that Clinton comment came up – it would have been funny.

        The president couldn’t challenge Romney on the issues because he has no basis to do so. Romney was dead on with the oil production response. The president has been running around misleading people that oil production is up when in fact it has nothing to do with him. He has stumped oil production on federal land and halted permits. He took credit for the pipeline and again mislead the people because the part of the pipeline he takes credit for is the part he had nothing to do with anyway – the rest of it, the parts on the federal land, has been “under review by his administration “…..and remains tied up in government red tape. That part that is being built was already permitted and would have been built regardless of Obama. The president takes credit for cutting the “middle man” out of college finance and pushing to reduce the interest rates but the truth is that college tuitions have gone up 20% in the last 4 years. Please, what makes the education more untouchable to underpriviledged students the cost of tuition or the interest rate on the loan? Do the math. For every point Obama made last night about his plans I would ask – why haven’t you already pursued it in the last 4 years? Why are you making more promises now when you have had all this time to take things in that direction. Everytime he said “we’re going to…” I though why haven’t you already. So on that note I might add as a thought to the President, since he has been in office for 4 years now – If there are tax loop holes that allow or encourage businesses to move their operations offshore, then why haven’t you pushed for legislation to remove it already?…..If you really care about jobs.

        Here is the biggest thing that happened from last night. The media has been trying their hardest to make Romney look like a fool. He doesn’t understand why windows on an airplane don’t roll down. He doesn’t know what dounuts are. He doesn’t understand how a bar scanner works. He doesn’t care about 47% of the people in this country in spite of the fact that he has donated oodles of money to charities and hours and hours of his peronal time to people who had needs. Let’s face it, everyone knows that you don’t get to become a successful businessman worth hundreds of millions of dollars by being so stupid you don’t understand the concept of bar scanners, or airplane windows – or specific tax advantages for moving businesses over seas. But on national TV, in front of everyone watching, he delivered a solid performance, forcing the media to finally give him credit for being an intelligent man. It was such a solid performance that the Media coudn’t even spin it. He looked more presidential than the president and the media was forced to acknowledge that – even Chris Mathews who get a tingle up his leg from Obama, as perverted as that sounded. Congratulations Mitt on showing the people of this country where the real stupidity is – in the media.

        • Yes, Tom_D44: The STUPIDITY, ALL of it, is in the “mainstream media” and on all who follow, and believe, people like Wolf Blitzer, John King, Anderson Cooper, Candy Crowley, and SCUM like Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and Rachel Madcow ….

      • Justin Napolitano

        Oil production is at the highest level in 7 years. Now if McCain had been President the Republicans would have been bragging about that but since Obama is in office they say it is bad because the oil isn’t coming from public lands. They forget to mention that many of the public land leases, that are owned by the oil companies, are not being drilled, so why would leasing even more land encourage the industry to drill? Romney also forgot to mention that the XL pipeline is not for providing more oil to the US but to allow more to be exported through the Gulf ports. It also was not mentioned that we are exporting gasoline, even while prices are so high. Oil companies have no incentive to sell their oil here in the US if they can get more money by shipping it overseas.

        • montanabill

          If McCain had been President, all public lands would not have been off-limits. The XL pipeline is to the refineries in Texas and even if some is shipped overseas, the pipeline would still have created thousands of U.S. jobs. When supply goes up, prices come down. Basic economics.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Well Obama could have retorted and you sir are no Abraham Lincoln or Ronald Reagan for that matter.

        • montanabill

          Which would have been stupid, since Romney didn’t claim a relationship.

    • daves

      To me the debate seemed like constant repetition of talking points I have been hearing for months. It did not have any substance.

      • Dave, obviously you have not been listening to talking points for months. Romney did a complete about face in what he has been saying for months. Obama was probably prepared to debate him on his past assertions and found himself with a complete different person.

      • Justin Napolitano

        That is interesting Dave except that Romney changed most of his platform. Like Obama said, I don’t know who this guy I was debating was. Romney talked like he had no idea what he had said, even yesterday.
        I was absolutely flabbergasted by the crap coming out of Romney’s mouth. I couldn’t believe it was the same person and neither could Obama.

    • citizencandy

      Mr Vila, I personally thank you for your insightful comments. I agree. I would also lke to add that Mitt Romney performed as if a puppet with someone hand (or foot) was up his behind. Practice, practice, practice (since June ’12), can work wonders…… his best performance ever…. President Obama, on the other hand, had other things to do, like being the President, you think???? Bottom line, you last paragraph says it all.

    • Don

      I have voted for Republicans in the past, but this man I will not vote for, he still tells lies even telling them and the people believe him. they are the losers

    • You people are truly delusional.

    • daniel bostdorf

      I think it is important to understand that it DOES matter when a candidate for President. Mitt Romney, and his running mate, blatantly lies, distorts the truth, pushes right wing propaganda on us.

      Particularly when there are blatant lies.
      Article author Decker states: “Biggest Lie: Romney’s New Tax Plan

      “Throughout the debate, Romney went though his standard litany of big lies — that President Obama is raiding $716 billion from Medicare, that President Obama is raising taxes on small businesses, and that tax cuts to the wealthy will stimulate job growth, among many others — but the most egregious was his repeated assertion that he will not cut taxes on the wealthy. Romney promised to “take a different path — not the one we’ve been on, not the one the president describes as a top-down, cut taxes for the rich. That’s not what I’m going to do…..Based on every reliable report on Romney’s tax plan, that statement is flagrantly false. As the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center simply put it: Our major conclusion is that a revenue-neutral individual income tax change that incorporates the features Governor Romney has proposed – including reducing marginal tax rates substantially, eliminating the individual alternative minimum tax (AMT) and maintaining all tax breaks for saving and investment – would provide large tax cuts to high-income households, and increase the tax burdens on middle- and/or lower-income taxpayers.”

      Romney likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda.

      We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

      Here’s another example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:
      ROMNEY: “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”
      HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.
      ROMNEY LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

      ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE BY 
ROMNEY: He stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
      HERE ARE THE FACTS:
 ROMNEY LIED about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.
      EVEN MORE FACTS:
      Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. ROMNEY’S LIES are resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

      In addition, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

      Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%.

      Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real intentions.

      Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

      Propaganda and lies disguised as truth in a natuonal presidential debate.
      Disgusting.

      Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:
      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

      or as Adolph Hitler stated:
”Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

      Keep lying to us Mitt and Paul..because you are afraid we will hold you accountable for your flip flops, and etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. …

      We don’t want what Romney and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

      The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

      We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

      • daniel: Tu es LOCO ! Ha, ha, ha !!!
        Even CNN, danny, has said as recently as this morning that your number of unemployed is just plain wrong.
        In exactly the same way that Joe “The Clown” Biden goofed when he admitted that the middle class “has been buried these past 4 years”, you inadvertently state that “Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.” WOW!! That’s a great admission, danny ! I wasn’t expecting such sincerity from you….
        Enjoy your weekends at 252 Cristo Calle, wherever that is !!

    • CPANY

      My reaction to Romney is largely visceral: I hate his guts. I think that he’s a lying piece of shit and pray every night that he loses the election.

      Unfortunately, I’m going to vote for Obama only because he’s the lesser of two evils. I think that he’s a rookie with no Congressional backing, which prevents him fulfilling his promises, e.g. bringing the troops home from the Middle East. I also don’t like his past associations, especially with that anti white minister, who is so filled with hate.

      I wish that we had better people running for the presidency.

  • old_blu

    I think Romney won, but I think the President was just giving Romney enough rope to hang himself, cuz he was “flip flopping” again, and still no plan on how he is going to do his grandiose ideas.

    • neece00

      Well I wish the hanging would take place, the suspense is killing me.

      • lana ward

        It just might be the hanging you don’t want

    • lana ward

      Obama was lost. The media has covered for him on everything. Last night he had to stand on his own two feet WITHOUT his best friend the teleprompter. He didn’t do so well

      • oldtack

        Lana,
        Obama let Romney hang himself in an artful manner. Romney blustered with all his “plans” bur when pushed he could not or would not reveal even one viable answer as to what his agenda is. About the onlt thing he could muster is “I have great plans” – I can’t tell you what they are yet – but- just trust me. Wow! Do you know what a sane person does when someone offers them “pie in the sky” with no divulgence of how. Then smiles and say “Trust Me” ?
        They don’t walk – they run to the nearest exit. A person that uses “trust me” is a “snake oil salesman”.

        • lana ward

          You must have watched a different debate than I watched. Obama doesn’t do so well without his teleprompter. Pitiful

          • old_blu

            Is that all you got? Cuz Romney was “flip flopping” and not saying to much. Can you even tell me cuz you watched the same debate I did, Whats he going to do, and how? I can’t.

          • President Obama has much more to do everyday than rehearse “zingers” and is much more respectful than shouting mittey…let me get me own way all the time Romney. What part of the old 1860’s Federalsim theme did you like best from mittey?

          • lana ward

            Obama was out and about when he was supposed to be practicing. He took Romney for granted–BIG mistake

        • JBOJERRY

          I VOTED FOR OBAMA AND NOW IM SURE IM VOTING FOR MITT HE LOOKED LIKE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT LAST NIGHT!

          • joyscarbo

            I don’t get it…he “looked” like our next president…what do you mean? What does a next president “look like”???
            Did he actually SAY anything? Did he tell you how he’d fix this country? Did he spell it out??
            He was trying to look like a moderate but he real agenda is that of the neo conservative right wing.

          • You know that you was voting for Romney from the start. Please tell us what Mitt said because he flip flop on everything he said. A cheater and liar this is who you is voting for. But G.Bush was elected for two term after getting us in two wars on a lie I guess he looked like your PRESIDENT also. So you vote for your next president and come back next year and be man enough to tell us what you think of your next president.

          • Why are you yelling?

      • lana, since all of you sound like you get your talking points from the same place and obviously haven’t done any public speaking, I am going to give you a fact. Every public speaker has notes. Some of them are hard copy and some are electronic and some are written on one’s hand. So, notes are common and they are not a bad thing. I do some public speaking and I know.

        • lana ward

          Obama doesn’t have notes, he has his teleprompter telling him every word to say. He NEEDS his teleprompter, that is obvious

    • middleclasstaxpayer

      Sure, Obama was just helping Romney???…without a TELEPROMPTER Obama is HELPLESS & HOPELESS….he requires his words to be developed & rehearsed IN ADVANCE, and then read by him from his teleprompter to be the “great orator.”

      • old_blu

        Do you really think this was a win for Romney? When the fact checkers get done I think they will eat him alive, with his half truths and flat out lies, and no way to save the world as he says.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          I did NOT say who won or lost…only stated that Obams is HELPLESS with his pre-fed lines from his teleprompter. YOU decide how Obama’s “performance” was received by fellow Americans.

          • old_blu

            Is that all you got the telepromter? Romney acted like someone afraid of his opponent, trying to cover it by yelling about nothing.

            I boxed when I was a kid, and the ones that yelled the loudest were the least prepared.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            You still haven’t addressed fact that Obama is like a ventriliquist’s dummy when left to speaking on his own????? Fact is, Obama is helpless & hopeless without his teleprompter…..he is NOT the man he seemed to be just a day before. No elegant phrases, no logical arguments, no confident swagger….it ALL comes from his teleprompter-fed remarks. Why do you think, when he had to “think” on his feet while talking with the Russian premier, he stated stupidly ” I can be more flexible AFTER the election?” Doesn’t he know the Russians are currently aiding BOTH IRAN & SYRIA and their murderous ideologies???

          • old_blu

            Stop spinning this around on Obama. What is Romney going to do? I watched the debate and I can’t tell, can you tell me?

            I don’t care about a teleprompter.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            The REAL QUESTION is: What is Obama going to do?? He’s had 4 long years to accomplish his requirement to INCREASE JOBS & IMPROVE our ECONOMY. Instead he devoted 2 years to another cause. And he stated when elected, “if I cannot revive the US economy, I should not be re-elected.” OK, well TIME IS UP!

          • old_blu

            I think you already know I will most likely vote for Obama. Why should I change my mind and vote for Romney? I want to know what HE (Romney) is going to do and how he is going to do it to get my vote, you still haven’t said.

          • BDC_57

            Yeah he flip flop on so many thing how you beleive any thing that he says.

          • grammyjill

            he can’t. nobody knows, not even romney.

          • old_blu

            Exactly what I thought.

          • grammyjill

            Today Romney was on tv and took back everything he said at the debate.

          • old_blu: “most likely” vote for Obama??!!
            Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaa!!!
            old: you, and BDC, and Justin, and grammy, and Fernie girl, and the rest of you useful id…., go ahead and vote for Obama ! Who cares?
            He is going to LOSE badly anyway !! LOL!!

          • Justin Napolitano

            Well middle I can tell you one thing he has done for me. My IRA and 401K are at an all time high thanks to the doubling of the stock market in the last 3.5 years.
            I am more secure thanks to Obama but I would guess you do not invest; so you have been left out.

          • grammyjill

            but romney said it would take him eight years to fix it from here when it’s already half done.

          • you are just being ignorant and stupid now. no one cares about a teleprompter all orators use then. we only care about substance and romney the great lier and deceiver did not have much substance.

          • You are so nasty. Did you learn that at your mother’s knee or has the party, that wants to destroy one party and take over the other one, scared you into some radical views.

            A word to all you people who thinks we should threaten wars to the rest of the world and make enemies, if we get into enough expensive wars we cannot afford and people decide it is not a good thing to enlist, the draft might have to be reinstated.

          • Cairndance

            If they reinstated the draft, without any deferments (especially those for Morman missionaries), there would be no more war! If every parent knew their sons and daughters would have to go to war, we wouldn’t even be talking about Iran!
            Romney can have an opinion on sending our citizens to war when one of his 5 sons signs up for the military!

          • Justin Napolitano

            What do you use middle as a guide to help you with your writing, Mien Kampf?
            I find you disgusting for not supporting our President and for not condemning the killers in Libya.

          • old_blu: “Romney acted like someone afraid of his opponent, trying to cover it by yelling about nothing.”??? !!!
            Methinks you are HALLUCINATING. Don’t stay away from your “shrink” for so long ….

          • First off unlike mittey President Obama still has to deal with many issues concerning the USA on a minute by minute basis. Mittey only has to rehearse his screeds, big difference.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            You’re 100% correct….Obama HAS lots of other responsibilities, like protecting our embassy personnel in far off lands. Wonder why he denied multiply requests for added security measures in Libya? And why, day after the deaths of four brave Americans in Libya on 9/11, he went on a campaign tour? Lots of important things to do, but they ALL involve retaining HIS power, NOT in protecting us.

          • Justin Napolitano

            Middle, you are ranting again. You have no idea what transpired in Libya. What you do need to understand is that a consulate, unlike an embassy, does not have marines guarding the facilities. Also the hosting country has to approve having additional security but nevertheless the hosting country is responsible for making sure foreign ambassadors and their staff are secure.
            You should be protesting the fact that Libya did not protect our people instead of blaming the President.
            I really have to question your patriotism.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            There’s no way around this….the State Dept received NUMEROUS requests for additional security from embassy. There were also death threats received by our ambassador. ALL requests were denied. President was TOO BUSY running a re-election campaign to bother with small details like the safety of US citizens abroad, even on 9/11. Makes perfect sense to you, doesn’t it?

          • Justin Napolitano

            Again, middle it was a consulate not an embassy that was attacked. Do you not understand English? Also, why are you not condemning the Libyans for killing Americans? All you write about is that it was Obama’s fault and not the killers. You are just plain hateful and unpatriotic.

          • grammyjill

            it was not the embassy that was hit. they have marines. check the facts.

          • Cairndance

            Does anyone think it was totally out of line for Romney to compare the Presidents statements about his tax plan, to his 5 “boys” telling lies?

          • grammyjill

            yep.

          • grammyjill

            10 libyan guards were also killed in that attack so stop bitching about added security.

          • Justin Napolitano

            Middle, I know you have never given a presentation because you would know that the teleprompter is used to keep the speaker on subject. I’ll bet your voice would quiver if you had to tell a joke in a bar.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            So the Teleprompter is ONLY to keep the speaker “on subject,” huh? So that’s why BHO couldn’t ennunciate any confident or coherent ideas? He forgot the subject??? That’s a pathetic excuse, even for liberals. Try again, Mr. helpful!

        • You can bet some of the media will be showing clips of where Romney said just the opposite of what he said last night.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Middle, did I not pay you for your last posting?You can stop now. RNC

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          With a guy like BHO, we don’t require any pay. We are doing it for the good of all mankind!

          • CAThinker

            Well then – you’re wasting your time here (and ours). Why don’t you hit the street and defraud voters or some other way to suppress the vote. You’d have a lot better luck doing that than hanging around here to change any of our minds.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            VERY TRUE! In fact, one of your folks commented recently that he/she didn’t want to hear any contrary ideas, that’s NOT what a “discussion board” is about. Glad you guys weren’t around when the “discussion group” was debating “Flat vs round world.”

          • grammyjill

            no, you’re spewing just for you, and maybe obozomustgo. the rest of us wish you would go.

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            So you’d like a “discussion group” where everyone only agrees with you?

          • grammyjill

            No I’d like a group that remembers that the president deserves respect even if you don’t agree with everything. I don’t understand why all of you think you can disrespect him. Even Bush who pushed this country to the edge of the cliff was still respected as the president. But this one who has worked hard to save this country is so disrespected that it makes me sick. One can disagree without being disrespectful and vile.

    • sure romey lied that’s all he does and that modertor did not know what he was doing it was already said before the debate that romey would win so they goes the media with their mess we will show them at the poll’s nov 6

    • thin_bluine

      I hope you’re right old-blu, I think Romney did outshine the President last night and for those that don’t do their due dillegence and research the candidates records and such the President may have lost a ton of undecided voters last night. He needed to come out and hammer Romney on the 47% and call him out on his other flips and flops and hit him harder on his tax plan and the healthcare issue as well. Unfortunately the President looked a little to over confident during the debate as he didn’t look at Romney a lot while he (Romney) was speaking, which gave the impression that he was cocky. If he would have looked into Mitt’s eyes he could tell he was lying about almost everything he said but his own name, and he could have really taken advantage of that. Anyway hopefully the President come out swinging for the fences in the next debate.

      • thin, it is too bad that President Obama wasn’t able to show clips of Romney’s past speeches where he said something quite different.

        • Cairndance

          I still think there should be a debate using just past and present video of Romney! Talk about flip fopping on every issue!

          If the President had looked Romney in the eye during last nights debate, it would have given Romney credability, that he doesn’t deserve!

          Obama won on the facts, Romney won for continued acting performance!

  • Romney clearly won, the president was very poorly coached, he had only defense and no attack strategies. The president was too busy looking presidential.

    • He was looking down, presumably taking notes, during most of the debate. The impression he gave was that of a defeated man. Picking Kerry as a coach was, clearly, a mistake, but that is no excuse the President’s performance. He is an excellent orator and debater and he should have been able to do a better job and should not have let Mitt get away with murder. I suspect he was caught by surprised by Mitt’s transformation into a champion of middle class causes, but the skills he learned at Harvard should have taken care of that.

      • old_blu

        I’ll bet he is ready for the next two, I agree with NOT GONNA TAKE IT that Romney was being a bully, the President should have been able to handle that easily.

      • The debate went as the democrats had predicted earlier on. Romney would most likely win this one because Obama was going to play him like a piece on a chess board. Romney was all polish and no substance. He threw his base to the curb by taking the middle road. He gave a great testimony but he committed perjury several times. I think that is what Obama intended for Mitt to do. Obama came out on the offensive and Romney never forced him to be defensive: even the most critical observer of Obama has to admit this. Obama did look calm and at times there was that little smile that let you know he was giving Romney just enough rope. I just hope that he didn’t give him too much rope! Mitt was true to self last night. He showed himself to be a bully and he was very combative. The Middle East is in a very volatile state and Mitt will have us in WWIII within three months of taking office if he is elected. This is what any person who was not blinded by Mitt’s shoe polish would have concluded.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Hello, Dominick, I often agree with you but not in this case. The reason is that Obama is and always has been a cool and thoughtful person. Many pundits stated that the worse thing he could do was to become harsh and aggression when dealing with Romney because it would have made him appear to be defensive. I agree with that analysis but I admit that I wanted Obama to kick Romney’s as* decisively.
        What I did find was that Obama was cohesion to the basic values he has had throughout the campaign while Romney threw out just about every thing he has stated and came up with a whole new mantra. Romney certainly has been true to his character of being an etch-a-sketch person, who will change his message to fit every environment. The question we should all be asking is who the hell is Mitt Romney because I sure don’t know and I’ll bet some of his supporters aren’t sure either?

  • Arnold Bruhn

    I’m surprised the president was not familiar with the 6 brilliant studies Romney cited that the affirmed the efficacy of his $5 T tax cut. The first is by the Nobel Prize winning economist, Ann Romney, and the other 5 are by his 5 sons.

    Check them out!

    Arnold Bruhn

    • adler56

      Interesting that williard called his five sons liars. Was that supposed to be funny?
      Sounds like a sick family to me- he lied throughout the debate and didn’t seem to know what trickle down means or how it’s supposed to work- the prime republican reason for tax cuts for the wealthy. He’s just a girly man with no clue.

      • old_blu

        Romney looked like he was going to cry.

      • Cairndance

        Romney called his 5 sons “BOYS”, in addition to calling them liars!
        His youngest son is 34, time to stop calling them boys!
        Unless he actually meant something else by using the word “boys”?

  • Romney won because Obama basically let himself get bullied. Romney to me was rude and entitled but the pundits are today are now slapping themselve on the back thinking they have this thing won. If Obama continues to permit himself to be bullied maybe they have a point. the bad thing for Romney is that he shot all his ammo in the first debate. He will use this winner to keep being a bully and Obama now has time to respond to the next debate because he now knows what is in Romney’s bag of tricks. So Obama had a lot of low hanging fruit he didn’t pick, maybe it’s a good thing. We will see. Also, I hope they let the gloves off Biden. he can punch down where Obama can’t without looking unpresidential.

    • neece00

      Once a bully, always a bully

    • lana ward

      Romney doesn’t need a bag of tricks. He’s smart, successful, and knows what he’s talking about. People last night saw the real Romney, not the Romney Obamas lying ads portray him as. Without the media covering for him, and without his teleprompter, Obama was completely lost

      • lkreu

        Romney, once again shook the etch-a-sketch – now all of sudden he CARES about the middle class and the 47% that do not pay income tax. He lied, lied, lied, and the President let him get away with it. How, mathematically can he do everything he says – but gives no real evidence – and still bring down the deficit? He has said and I’m sure the fact checkers will go nuts today, that he can not balance the budget in his first term, like he will have one. He has said all along, until last nite, that he will leave the Bush Tax cuts in place, how exactly does that help the average 47%?

        • old_blu

          I seen some of the fact checkers this morning calling Romney’s ideas half truths. (in other words lies)

          • lkreu

            I am just reading an article in The New Republic that points out 4 of his lies. But of course the right-wingers will just say its spin – not facts

          • grammyjill

            fact checkers say 36 lies. his own team said he wasn’t truthful in some of his remarks.

        • lkreu, He did a complete about face last night to take away President Obama’s talking points. Up until last night, he was saying just the opposite.

          • lkreu

            Exactly – but of course the right wingers will never, ever admit that. Well lets hope he does hang himself – and that the president is much tougher in the next debate. And, hopefully Joe will take Ryan down.

          • Justin Napolitano

            Romney chameleon, etch-a-sketch, ready to say and do whatever is needed at any moment. Want a new position, on any subject, check with me in the morning and I will tell you what ever you want to hear.

      • neece00

        I hate to disappoint you but the real Romney is the one who does not care about the 47% and that would probably you and I.

        • lana ward

          Romney didn’t say he didn’t care about 47% of the people. He said 47% will vote for Obama and he wouldn’t be able to get their vote anyway. Same with Obama, 47% will vote for Romney and Obama won’t get their vote. Both are going for the independents that haven’t made up their minds This is what the media has done to Romney ON EVERYTHING through this whole race!! Lies, Lies, Lies

          • grammyjill

            Romney’s own team came out and said some things Romney said were not true. His own team called him a liar.

          • lana ward

            Your the liar

        • BDC_57

          got that right.

      • Justin Napolitano

        Lana, you are a Republican shill evidenced by your comments. You need to change your messages so that it is not so obvious. Thanks.

        • Justin responding to Lana: Yes Lana, you should change your message so that you can prostitute yourself exactly as I do …

      • grammyjill

        Fact checkers found that Romney lied 36 times last night.

        • lana ward

          That’s not what I heard. Were these MSM fact checkers. Believe NOTHING from them

          • grammyjill

            Funny Romney was on tv a few minutes ago and took back everything he said at the debate.

        • lana ward

          How many times did Obama lie–200?

          • grammyjill

            Romney 36  Obama 0

    • middleclasstaxpayer

      The only “bully” in the room was Obama, who has been fooling everyone for last 4+ years with his “eloquence”…in fact, ObAMA cannot speak clearly or smartly WITHOUT HIS EVER-PRESENT TELEPROMPTER, which “feeds” him his “brilliant” remarks……when his words are NOT pre-written, pre-planned and SHOWN TO HIM on his teleprompter, Obama is helpless & hopeless. But he is NOT an empty suit. The Emperor HAS NO CLOTHES!!!

      • joyscarbo

        Is that all you neo-cons and teabaggers have is “teleprompters?” REALLY??!! Romney still gives NO SPECIFICS on his platforms and policies and you’re talking about teleprompters.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          Facts are facts…Obama is INCAPABLE of speaking clearly, confidently & with logic when he is FORCED to do so ON HIS OWN, and WITHOUT a TELEPROMPTER. The “great orator” we were led to believe we had as our president is no more than a ventriliquist’s puppet…..he speaks well ONLY when his lines are REHEARSED from copy provideed by a “committee” of folks obviously smarter & more glib than he is, and then “FED” to him by the teleprompter. Last night was a CLEAR EXAMPLE of Obama’s INABILITY to speak on his own. Obama cannot function and speak on his own without his constant helper, his teleprompter.

          • Middle since you appear not to be a public speaker and if you were you would know that all public speakers use notes. This is a Palin talking point and I wouldn’t exactly call Palin a rocket scientist.

          • BDC_57

            notice he keeps repeating him self. he very uneducated.

          • BDC_57: ” he very uneducated”??!! You sound like the most complicated concept you can handle and process is: ” Me Tarzan, you Jane” !!
            LOL !!

        • BDC_57

          They don,t to say what he going todo rember they only have 3rd grade education.

      • And you sir have no brains

        • Rvn_sgt: Standard ” you have no brains” answer from useful idiots like you when you cannot answer intelligently.

      • jarheadgene

        WRONG….in interviews The POTUS speaks intellegently and keeps his SAME arguements and points for this country; whereas, Mr. Romney Flip flops lies and bullies reporters all the time. ROMNEY is an Elitist Snob.

      • Justin Napolitano

        I think carsus and middleclass are the same person. Have you noticed how their messages appears similar? The capital letters to try and show passion, the run on sentences, the lack of syntax or cohesion to the subject matter.
        Yes I do believe they are the same person and are being paid by the RNC.

        • middleclasstaxpayer

          Well Justin, there are only two possibilities: either I am masquarading as different folks OR more than one person in this universe saw Obama make a fool of himself.
          He is HELPLESS & HOPELESS without his ever-ready teleprompter…he probably doesn’t even have an original idea of his own, only what the “committee” prints on the teleprompter for him to parrot. Oh wait, he DID have one idea, to the Russian premier: “I’ll have more flexability AFTER the election” Wonder what he meant? Must have been for the benefit of all of us, I’m sure! But at least he is NOT an empty suit! The emperor HAS NO CLOTHES!

        • Justin: And I believe you and Fern Woodfork are one and the same…

  • adler56

    Williar lied his ass off and everybody thinks he won? What the hell happened to America that a girly man like williard can lie over and over and Americans think that’s good debating?
    We don’t have enough money now and williard claims he’ll cut 20% from taxes- that’s crazy.
    Anyone who votes for that girly man and his little lyin friend who sounds as though he’s talking
    through a helium tube is nuts and un-american.

    • jarheadgene

      OH YEAH….

  • tiger2read

    There are 4 registered Democrate voters in our home. After watching the debate last nite, it became clear that our current President will not be receiving any of our votes.

    He did not indicate any exact points of change he would do for the next 4 year. we decided that we can not in good faith vote for this poor leader again.

    We are middle class, under imployed, we get no befinits, or substities. Obama care was ramed down our throat, we are approaching SS age and Medicaid.

    good luck Mr romney.

    • old_blu

      You are not one of them are you? I want to hear that from your “registered Democrats”

    • Based solely on what you’ve said here, why are you registered as Democrats? By the way it is “under employed, and you will become eligible for “Medicare” not “medicaid”. You sound more like one of a thousand republican shills out there trying to shake loose a few democrats who are less than satisfied.

    • lana ward

      You won’t be sorry, Romney will start with undoing the damage Obama has done to America. Look at how successful he is in everything he does. I know things will get better for you under a President Romney. He LOVES his country and her people

      • YepThatTell

        Revisit Bain capital’s record of destroying American companies and jobs for Americans. Revisit Romney’s pathetic record of job creation as Governor of Massachusetts. Can YOU avoid taxes by hiding your investment income in offshore accounts? (Do you have investments?) Do you really want your health insurance choices to be dictated by for-profit insurance companies and women’s health issues by a bunch of fat-cat old white men? Do you really believe that women who perform equal work to a man deserve to be paid less? Do you think Richy-Rich cares one iota about YOU?

        If you refuse to see the truth about Romney (for he does not know it himself) then you are hopeless…blame Obama for not having a job, but maybe the reason is within you. And you really think something will trickle down from a billionaire President? Yeah, something will trickle down as the 1% sh*ts on you.

      • lana, let’s have a ghantt chart showing how that is going to happen.

        • lana ward

          The Obama stream media will help you with that. They cover for and help Obama with everything

      • Justin Napolitano

        Lana, you are confusing wealth with success, they are not the same thing.
        I know many good and decent people that are not rich but are very successful because they led good lives, raised good children and made all of us that know them proud to be called friends.
        Never confuse wealth with success because money can go away and when it does what remains is the real human being.

        • lana ward

          Romney has worked hard for what he has, and he is a real human being, very caring, very compassionate. AND very, very smart!!

    • oldtack

      Tigerread

      By the content of your post it is rather easy to perceive why you and your family are under “imployed?” and get no befinits, or substities. Did you mean to say under employed –no benefits or subsidies?

      The President did indeed lay out what he will do if re-elected. Maybe you were immersed in a pity party over under imployment -no befinits and no substities.
      Don’t sit on your duff – if you are under employed -then go look for greener pastures.

      At one time I moved over 400 miles to another city for a better job to support my family. I later moved 1500 miles for the same purpose. Good jobs are out there – if you are willing to sacrifice.

      Contrary to popular “belief” no one is “entitled to anything” unless it is a case of unforeseen “disasters” and that is only temporary relief – not a lifetime meal ticket.

    • Think hard about the voucher program and privatizing Social Security.

    • Justin Napolitano

      My god tigerread, where is your logic coming from? You just said you would vote against your own best interests? If Romney can get his voucher program approved he will then fight to get it made retroactively; affecting even those older than 55. How can you believe a man that has no principals, who will change his position on every subject, that will say anything, pander to anybody, lie to anybody to achieve the one thing that he thinks will validate his existence: the Presidency. We have a good and decent president who has done much to turn things around, but he is not a miracle worker. Romney certainly isn’t either given that his record on employment in Massachusetts was rated 47th.
      Vote for Obama or be prepared to be very disappointed.

  • bcarreiro

    THE TRUTH HAS CLARITY THATS TRANSPARENT…….OBAMA DOESNT NEED TO FIGHT TO GET HIS POINT ACROSS…HE NEEDS A CONGRESS THAT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH HIM. THATS THE TRUE DEBATE……WITH ROMNEY COMES MORE OF THE SAME BLAME GAME IM THE ONE WHO CAN DO NOTHING TO ACHIEVE MY SUCCESS AT THE EXPENSE OF SOMEONE ELSE. DID YOU HEAR THE TONE IN ROMNEYS VOICE WHEN HE SPOKE OF OBAMA AND YOUR POOR PEOPLE. WE ARE POOR BECAUSE THE ONE BEFORE WHO HAD NO PLAN OR INTENTIONS ON HELPING ANY CLASS CITIZEN BUT HIMSELF!!

    • A little over a day ago I predicted the advice given Obama was wrong. They told him he should be polite and pleasant rather than aggressive and straight forward. It was obvious he was unnerved by Romney’s interruptions and repeating the same false charges about Medicare after Obama twice pointed out they were wrong, even according to the AARP. Romney’s sudden pretense that he was concerned about the middle class; his sudden claim he was not going to cut taxes on the wealthy; his denial that Obama has cut taxes for small business 16 times; Mitt’s sudden willingness to admit that government regulations are needed when he was against them before and suddenly switched for the debate, denial that Republicans in Congress have been adamant against adding jobs for returning veterans but not government welfare for the oil industry; his failure to explain how he is going to hand over $2 trillion more to the Pentagon, yet he doesn’t want funds for first responders and teachers and the infrastructure. Instead he wants to turn over even more burdens to the already cash strapped state governments. Furthermore, his claim we should not be supporting green industries, is wrong.
      The next debate requires equal time. A standard debate format is essential so one side does not get to dominate and interrupt, as Romney did last night.
      The next debate, Obama must point out Romney’s track record – dismantling jobs at Bain, tax havens and tax shelters for sending jobs and funds abroad which Romney falsely denied. Romney has repeatedly ignored attempts by workers to get his support, for example in Bain’s Sensata plant in Freeport, IL where Mitt is a major share-holder, former CEO and purports to care about American jobs. Yet, without his word of concern, these workers have been forced to train their Chinese replacements and are now out of a job. They made sensors for cars, planes and MISSILES. Sending their jobs to China is aiding and abetting a potential military threat.
      Mitt needs to explain his investments in a Chinese national oil company, in another that invested in the disposal of aborted fetuses, and his unwillingness to reveal his taxes. What else is he hiding?

      • bcarreiro

        his CONscience!!!

    • Bear, your comments are great, but please don’t shout.

  • middleclasstaxpayer

    Will the REAL Obama please stand up! Where was the Obama with ALL the clever talking points, all the committee-build reasons & logic usually enuncinated?? Well, it seems obvious that WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER (and the well-rehearsed lines therein). OBAMA IS HELPLESS & HOPELESS.
    I can’t even imagine how he speaks with world leaders, because again, he has NO TELEPROMPTER to script his language. One thing is clear: Obama is NOT an empty suit…the Emperor HAS NO CLOTHES!!!!!

    • carsrus

      RIGHT on, and let’s be honest, he doesn’t speak with WORLD LEADERS as he has no TELEPROMPTER, which showed OH so last night! Barack Obama’s blood flowed into the ocean after the cuts given him by Romney, and the SHARKS are circling! Especailly those libtards in the msm who were devestated by his non-performance! They are NOW throwing Barry under his bus, u know, the same one HE always throws former minions under!

    • awakenaustin

      Did someone on Faux News say teleprompter or was it Gush Limpbag? You are the third Romneyite to use a teleprompter based insult. Do you pass around a memo in the morning and say this is what we all agree to say today? Is there ever at anytime any original thought going on with you folks? You can’t even come up with any new material. I have noticed that beyond insults not a single one of you have explained how Mr. Romney impressed with the cogency of his points and the breadth of his knowledge. No discussion on your part of how his policies and explanations seemed so much more rational and reasonable. Nothing about how well he explained himself and his positions. Isn’t that because there wasn’t any there there? If your position is that Romney won because he wasn’t demolished then that is a pretty slender reed upon which to base your hope for his success. I was disappointed in the debate also. Romney managed the whole thing without a single new major gaff and I missed my comedic moment last night.

      • middleclasstaxpayer

        Obama did NOT offer any clear details other than “give me 4 more years.” When elected Obama said if he couldn’t fix the economy in 4 years, he shouldn’t be reelected…..well TIME IS UP!

        • awakenaustin

          So once again your position is not that your guy won but rather the President didn’t. You have absolutely nothing positive to say about Mr. Romney’s performance only critical remarks about President Obama’s. The reason, simply and straightforwardly put, is that neither you nor Mr. Romney have anything of substance to say. The truth is neither you nor Mr. Romney gives a flying crap about the people who are actually suffering by the downturn in the economy. Had you cared even in the slightest, you would have backed efforts to do something about it. Something beyond urging the continuation of the same old tired policies you have always advocated, which have never worked. If cutting taxes hasn’t worked, then your position is we should cut them more. The reason for this is, at its core, the marrow and substance of the GOP policy and philosophy is greed and self-interest. You define what is good for this nation as what is good for you. If you can’t figure out a way to make a dollar from it then it shouldn’t be done. This is the deal. I pay taxes, too. I have actually been in the armed services as my father was and as my son was. We actually believe in service to our nation. I get to endure you and your friends getting us into stupid wars that lead to the unnecessary deaths of fine young men and women and that savage our national treasury, while you sit around and piss and moan about the fact that you may have to contribute some hundredth of a percent of some dollar you earned (with my help and the help of millions of other Americans) so someone in poverty might be able to get healthcare. Sir, that is what chafes my a** about Republicans and that is the difference between Democrats and Republicans. It is why people who actually love this nation and don’t see their citizenship as merely an opportunity to make money, should be Democrats. The real GOP mantra – “what is in it for me and can I come up with a slogan that fools others into thinking it is in the country’s interest.”

          • middleclasstaxpayer

            I NEVER said who “won” or “lost”…..I simply pointed out that Mr Obama is helpless WITHOUT his pre-fed lines from his ever-present teleprompter. Obama is NOT the great orator he has been made out to be. Without his teleprompter, he lacks logic, confidence & eloquence, once imagined to be only his. YOU can decide what that fact indicates to Americans.

      • Awake, so you also noticed the parroting talking points. Maybe they are programmed and get wound up all the time.

    • YepThatTell

      We don’t need clever talking points and zingers. We need substance. Obama delivered, even if he did not live up to the supposed ‘style expectations’ of many.

  • catherine supple

    the president acted presidential in the debate. Romney acted like a puppy at someone’s heels. yap, yap, yap. Interrupting, bullying behavior. For people who think acting intimidating is leadership, they will think Romney “won” the debate. He’s still the same candidate: flip flopping, creating smoke to obscure his devotion to the cause of the wealthy. It’s masked in “free enterprise” which makes him and his cohorts rich off the backs of the hourly workers. The Republican convention showed them believing only in themselves. The Democrat’s convention showed them as believing in the American people. Something the president repeated in the debate last night.

    • carsrus

      Could u possibly have watched last nights debate? The president acted presidential? HOW? He acted like a total FOOL, a deer in the headlights! Romney was Presidential, and will become the 45th President of the United States on November 6,2012! U libtards are a JOKE!

      • neece00

        You think if someone comes through as a bully, that is presidential. I don’t know about you but I don’t want a bully for a president.

        • Yeah, like the boys in the procy public school who held a boy down and cut his hair and laughed because he was scared and crying. If that had been on of my children, I would have been ashamed.

      • grammyjill

        fact checkers say he lied 36 times last night. his own people said he was untrue on some points. his 5 points are the same as bush’s 5 points. you really want to go back to bush?

  • a80a

    the moderator let mitt. get away with talking down to him and not controlling the time and enforceing the limits. ,I hope in the next debate that the moderator will actually corner mitt and make him answer the questions asked of him. I also think he may have fired his best shots , and the presidents are yet to come.

    • carsrus

      PURE unadulterated BS! The moderator is a LEFT WING msm junky from the left of left! U r just DYING because Obama showed he’s NOT UP TO BEING President! SUCK it up, he just LOST the election!

      • If Jim Lehrer is a ‘LEFT WING msm junky from the left of left!’…as you so cleverly put it, carsrus…then wouldn’t that make Big Bird a fellow travelling bird of a left wing feather…since they are both ‘creatures’ of that Bolshevik conspiracy called PBS?…I thought Mitt Romney said he loved Big Bird…And PBS…and even Barack Obama (WHAT a lefty, Muslim socialist HE is!!!). Does that mean Mitt Romney wasn’t being completely truthful?…Or was it…like his admission that government regulation is a necessary, ‘good’ thing…a sign that he is some kind of Manchurian Candidate commie stooge…too?…I await your ‘clarification’ on this matter oh Teabagger genius.

    • YepThatTell

      Absolutely agree.

  • pjr98

    I found Romney to be rude and obnoxious. He talked over the the moderator, who I thought should have said, hold it, you out of line, and came on like some kind of clown that obviously his handlers told him would look good to the public. He just turned me off. I still don’t know who the hel l Romney is or what he really stands for since he changes his views every day. I was annoyed that Obama didn’t hammer him on his statement that Obama cut 716 million from Medicare. This could not be further from the truth. The President should have said, you are wrong and you are lying to the American people. And if Romney tried to talk over me I would have said excuse me how much longer are you going to be this rude. Would this be the way you would talk to leaders of other nations, or is it just good for a show tonight.

    • carsrus

      I find u to be an assh-l-! Obama LOST BIG!

      • oldtack

        Car-ASS
        Your ignorance is showing – again. Get a life.

      • Car, I am trying to imagine the home you grew up in if you use language like that.

        • BDC_57

          his mom did’nt wash his mouth out with soap.lol

      • Justin Napolitano

        carsus, only in your distorted, half brained mind.

    • YepThatTell

      I look forward to the next two Obama-Romney debates.

    • neece00

      Mitt reminded me of a little baby who was not getting his way.

    • concernedgran

      I agree with you, but what I found most amusing was how Mr Romney kept saying what he did in his state. If you go and look at the polls, you will see how much his state loves him. He is running 28 % behind the president.

  • ssheila1950

    I think Obama did alright, even tho Romney is a better speaker, only shows that he is quit a business man and do we want another rich business man in office, I don’t think so, Obama is for the middle class and there is a lot of us out there, and Romney is getting help $$ from all his rich business men whom are supporting his campaign, showing you that the rich like the ideal of holding onto there $$ while the poor get poorer. So Obama is so down to earth he speaks like us
    we can relate to him, he cares about the middle class and he has lived it, like most of us. I hope everyone seen through Romney, even tho he spoke good, I don’t trust him. He will bring us back to where Bush brought us, and that is NOT GOOD! his 47 did him in, very two faced if you ask me.

    • carsrus

      Ha,hahahahahahahahahahahahah, did ALRIGHT! NO, bozo, did ALL WRONG! Your “messiah” just lost the PRESIDENCY! Fact is, he was never up to it in the 1st place!

      • Get a life or a lie! Well! it looks like you went for the ole lie again!

      • YepThatTell

        Go ahead, dumbass and vote for Romney – you’ll be one of the ones whining the loudest when you can’t get healthcare, the women in your life (if there are any) are relegated to downright slavery, and the Social Security you (perhaps) worked hard to pay in has been usurped by the Robber Right Wing. You are blind because you refuse to see…and oh yeah, President Obama will win big in November, because not everyone the GOP assumes is stupid is actually stupid enough to buy their BIG LIES.

      • car, I bet you studied all night to get all these brilliant facts.

      • Justin Napolitano

        carsus you have lost your mind somewhere along the way. I wouldn’t celebrate too soon if I were you because Romney didn’t change my mind or the minds of people with a full working brain. Ops, sorry to say that carsus because people like you should be at least respected, for being handicapped with a half brain.

        • Justin: Romney “didn’t change my mind…”??!!
          Answers to that:
          1) ” [your] mind” ? WHAT mind?
          2) (Most of) the people who post on this cesspool of socialists and Obozo unconditionals do NOT possess a “full working brain”.
          3) There was NOTHING Romney could CONCEIVABLY have said that would have caused you to “change” your (unconditional and already committed) vote (mind you, I said ” vote” and not mind, which you completely lack) for Obozo. To say that Romney ” could have” changed your vote is plain untrue and dishonest.
          Your transparent dishonesty is plain for all to see (but they won’t because they are almost all morons like you).

  • I couldn’t call that debacle a debate. The President was limp and distracted (especially by a loud bang off camera that received no mention at all) Romney went right on repeating his lies over and over again about his tax plan and its mystery math and the non existent “cut” of over 700 billion dollars from Medicare. Obama explained it all quite well, how this was not a cut but a savings based on improved efficiency yet that did not hinder Romney in continuing to repeat himself 12 times on this subject. Romney also embraced on of the rights favorite union busting tactics by promising that only the new folks would get cheated on OADSI and Medicare.

    I was extremely puzzled though by the Presidents failure to remind the newly reasonable Mr. Romney that every single attempt by the Democrats to compromise was blocked by his Republican party, not by an unwillingness of Democrats to compromise, the “Obamacare” that passed was a severely weakened by Republican compromises that they still voted against in the end.

    Did Romney win the debate? I’ll let you know what I think if I actually SEE a debate.

  • carsrus

    LOSERS this fetid, lying blog who are so FAR out they can’t tell the truth, and OBAMA!ROMNEY WON IN A LANDSLIDE just as he will win the ELECTION! U are nothinf but a bunch of LIERS, who can’t BELIEVE the annointed one did so badly! PATHETIC ws his evening! Shows US what happens when an empty suit, non-vetted inept community agitator IS whan he can’t HIDE behind his TELEPROMPTER! Couldn’t even think critically in answering! Stumbled, bumbled and sounded like he was in a FOG! LEAST u worry Barack Obama JUST LOST THE ELECTION! Winner TB determined my ass!

    • YepThatTell

      Dear carsrus, you are out of touch with reality. Maybe you admire Romney’s deer-in-the-headlights look.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Go away carsus, we have heard all we want from you. Please pick up your check from the RNC and get lost.

  • Romney’s lack of respect for Jim Lehrer and the debate rules he had agreed to was inexcusable. Yelling, interrupting others and changing his opinion in the middle of a sentence showed his insecurity and lack of conviction in his principles. His debate team coach will put him on the 3rd team for the next contest.

  • Bravo, Bravo! ! Mitt sure looked good and sounded good, but he still lie about everything, he is not saying much about nothing., plus him Ryan need to get on the same page. Why do we even need a VP debate?

    • YepThatTell

      Because Biden will not pull any punches when he tears Mr.Out-of-Touch-Hypocrite-Kill-Medicare-Lyin’-Ryan a new one. It’ll be a beautiful spectacle.

    • grammyjill

      so joe can have some fun.

  • That just means you all are jellybacks like Romney! Changing your minds in the middle of the stream, and not even waiting for the final debate to then decide who to vote for! Romney still hasn’t told us on how he plans to do his grandiose ideas.! This was just the first debate…..man-up or shut-up!!!!

  • Are we electing a TV star or a President? What matters is the content, which I see the NY Times stressed. The differences in philosophy and the direction that each man believes the country should take. I cannot deny popularity, but sbstance is the key in a debate.

  • 19yepo93

    I think African Americans and Puerto Ricans are very nervous now. Going back to work guys!

    • YepThatTell

      What does that mean?
      As a white person I’m terrified at the mere thought of our having another weak, lying right-wing ideologue as President. I’m referring to Romney.
      We should all be nervous about that.

  • 9239614

    Lets hope the democrats take advantage of his lies and point out in ads ..maybe a new lie everyday…side by side what he said 3 weeks ago and what he said at the first debate….our POTUS should have gone after him on some of his lies…….

    • grammyjill

      they are doing that. first ad already out.

  • Joe Narusiewicz

    The debate is going to get out all the fact checkers and real honest critics of Romney’s policy, flip flops, lies and make it up as you go to influence voters. This will expose him as the phony he really is.

    • grammyjill

      just on tv, romney 5 point plan is also bush’s 5 point plan.

  • atc333

    Romney won in distorting facts, flip flopping, and wearing the most insipid smile seen on TV in the past 50 years during a a debate. He also won the award for the Candidate who seemed to be on speed or some other performance enhancing drug, based upon his speech patterns. Finally he won the “most effective at “appearing to be what he is not” award for his transformation into “Moderate Romney” during this first debate.

    Despite a careful presentation, compared to Romney, Obama won on content, and solutions, which would end and reverse the GOP’s redistribution of wealth to the top 2%. which remains central to the Ryan/Romney “Marvelous Budget”, regardless of what Romney tried to tell us last night.

    • Even though President Obama did not win the debate and maybe Romney did not either, I though Romney looked like he had a bout of diarrhea and was hoping he could get through the debates.

  • BDD1951

    Romney was well rehearsed. Notice that the he has been running on lowering taxes for upper income people for 6 years and now he says no his not going to lower their taxes. Flip flopper.

    • Dianes4babies

      And the president was not forceful enough on calling him out on that! The president let him get away with far too much, and why did the president not bring up the 47%, or the fact that Romneys’ health care plans means taking people to the ER, or the number of jobs created under his presidency? None of that was brough up and those things surely would have knocked Romney off his stride! Very disappointing!

      • oldtack

        Did you ever hear of sparring? Obama let Romney bluster and blow to show his “non-existent plans. Romney sort of used up all his ammo in the first rounds.
        Remember – there are two more debates. The 47% and Romney’s “health care” plans are good ammunition for those debates. A smart “fighter” doesn’t throw all his punches in the first round of a three round “fight”.

        Maybe we will have a decent Moderator for the next two rounds. Jim Lehrer was pathetic. He never had control and let himself be bullied. In essence – there was no moderator. Jim is what he is – a hack writer of 19 “forgetable “western type novels that rival those of his wife Kate. A Washington hanger-on that is about as inefficient as a moderator as he is a news man. Maybe he needs to go back to Dallas and write obituaries at night where he began his career. He wrote pretty good obituaries.

        • neece00

          What about his money that is hidden all over the world. What about the womens issues, we could sure give him some pointer in these areas.

    • BDD, you, at least, noticed his complete turn-around. It was a clever strategy. After the debates he will go back to being Romney. If President Obama had known he would reverse what he said before, he could have been prepared with dates and quotes from romney’s campaign speeches.

      • BDC_57

        that’s his flip flopping as always.

  • Yo mama!!!

  • Romney preformed well, the President preformed poorly. Does it really matter no. Regardless of who wins the election on Nov.6th not much in America will change for 98% of Americans. Why because we have a government who will put every nation and people of the world over the needs of the American People and America it’s self.

    Americans need to ask how is it that countries like Ecuador, Uruguay, Colombia, India, and others have better healthcare and more affordable health insurance, than does what is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth. How is it that most of these countries along with China and Japan have better and more modern infrastructure than America.

    Could it be that our politicians are more interested in linning their own pockets and satisfying their own greed for power and control, no only in America but in the world. This is why they take American tax dollars and spend them on fighting unwinnable wars in the Middle East while funding these governments at the same time.

    Truth is, if our government was as interested in funding America as it is at funding other governments, if our politicians were as concerned about the American People as they are about the people and governments of the world and if our government supported the interest of the American people and our own country, then and only then will America once again become that shinning light on top of the hill they speak so passionately about.

    So whats the difference in the governments of Ecuador, Uruguary, Colombia, India, and most of the countries of Central and South America. These countries are busy taking care of their own people and their own country’s needs and staying out of other countries business. It’s time the American government turns it’s focus back on working for the American People and their own country. To do anything less will be to the destruction of the our own people and the country they claim they love so much.

  • Americanmom1

    I dont think Mitt won because one debate is not going to change the fact that he has flipped on every thing he has ever said. We now know for certain he is going to repeal everything this country stands for. Social security for those under 55 who have already worked and put money into the system will be given a voucher..The affordable care act will be repealed. He was acting desperate and while the President did not call him on his lies I thought the President was allowing Mitt to continue talking about how he was going to dismantle the social programs we have set up in this country to help those who need it the most. The next time we hear from Mitt he will say something completely different. I do not need the debate to help me decide which team I am on as some seem to. I am still going to vote for the best man and that man is still Obama.Romney reminded me of a desperate man who wanted all the attention with his hand up saying me me I know all the answers just pick me. His breathy voice was creeping me out and his smirks and eyeball rolling and facial expressions were very off putting.. Obama still was laid back and not going after him but he was still the man who under pressure didnt lose his cool and allowed Mitt to ramble on… I could go on but I think its a waste of time to have debates when we all know the Big differences between these guys and Mitt wil say anything he thinks his side wants to hear..

    • latebloomingrandma

      Willard brought his powerful coal-powered Etch-A-Sketch last night!

      • jarheadgene

        OH yeah….MR. ETCHA SKETCH to you! If we waited a little longer…We would have heard ROMNEY personality #74….Flip-flopper that he is.

        • jarhead, Wow! with brilliant facts like you just presented, you are changing my mind.

  • BDD1951

    We need a VP debate because Biden will slaughter Ryan.

  • I sincerely believe in the policies of Clinton and Obama for middle class folks. Growth has traditionally been better with Democrats, although slower this time, I know the large reason for that is State Government jobs being severely cut back. I would also like to point out, that if States get Federal money to help with costs of Medicaid/food stamps etc., I am far more comfortable with a Democrat in office than a Repub. All Repubs who are using Federal programs, watch what you wish for, it may come true. A Democrat in office plays a bit of watch dog, but Repubs let States do as they wish, and very often States are less interested in those programs than they are in romancing and drawing industry to their States in addition to advancing social agendies they are bound to. I pray for the United States and Democracy.

  • carsrus

    Jacque,
    I have a life, now that AMERICA is saved and Mitt Romney will be our 45th President! U need get one, since Obama is DOWN and OUT! ps,…….the LIE has been OUTED! Obama, never vetted, unable to govern,lead or to preserve, , protect , and defend the CONSTITUTION! Instead, this shill attempted to DESTROY our Great Constitutional Republic, and instead, destroyed HIMSELF! God Bless the United States of America!

    • Americanmom1

      It was one debate… If you were counting on that one debate to continue living your life I feel sorry for you because Obama is a very smart man who sat back allowing mitt to continue rambling on about how he was going to spend all this money and he had no plan where he was going to get it.. He had all these plans to discontinue social programs but no plans on what to replace them with., His plan sounded very much like…. crickets chirping here.. Please do not bring God into this because God would want us to feed the poor and help the needy. Romney wants to give them a coupon..Obama will win… Romney just pledged to spend money that will further put us into debt… his party must be freaking out…..I am not one of those who believe debates help decide who is going to win because Romney still has many issues that were not erased…….I have always been on Obama’s team… He has never flipped on issues or changed his core values. he has told us where he stands from day one and stuck to it. Romney on the other hand has changed his mind like he would change a shirt…… I want a leader not one who says what he thinks the person in the room at the time wants him to say….

    • Justin Napolitano

      carsus, please go sniff some more glue. You are delusional if you think this one debate changed anything.

  • irishgirl1224

    My son and I were confused when Romney started talking because he once again changed his policies. He says what he thinks the people want to hear. President Obama should have been more aggressive and when Romney lied, which was a lot, the President should have said so. By the way Mitt, Maryland schools are the top schools in the country, not Mass. You can not believe a word out of the man’s mouth. Maybe Obama was just letting Romney hang himself with his lies and flip flopping, but I feel it is dangerous to allow it to go unchecked. Remember the debates are really for the benefit of the undecided. I was appalled that Jim Leher allowed Romney to continue speaking when he told him to stop. Romney again bullied his way through Leher showing no respect for the rules. Watch out Big Bird, Romney is coming after you!

    • CAThinker

      Thanks for validating what I was thinking – glad to know that I’m not the only one. Push the zinger “DO THE MATH”…

  • excavatoreddie

    Romney won the debate, as well as was able to look Obama and the American people in the eye when talking. Much of Obama’s time was spent looking down while he rattled off his lies. He was lost without his teleprompter. I would really like to see how an unrehearsed debate would go.

  • AlfredSonny

    Romney may appear to be presidential but do we want a president who is not patriotic due to his avoiding paying taxes?

  • carsrus

    yep aka dumb-er-ass, got ur panties in a bunch, right? Can’t stand the TRUTH, right? Obama BLEW it,RIGHT? U bet ur ass he did! THAT jackass just lost the election! Better suck it up and get used to President Romney!

    • Justin Napolitano

      carsus, you may be pleased with Romney but you would have defended him ever if he shi* his pants of stage. This debate doesn’t change one damn thing. He is not going to convince Democrats and Obama supporters to vote for him just because his is a chameleon and change his message to fit the current environment. Obama supporters know Romney is a snake and can never be trusted.
      Obama/Biden 2012 Romney 1040

      • Just, from the look on Romney’s face maybe he was afraid he was going to.

  • carsrus

    Yep-yap,whoever, u must be blind and hard of hearing! Romney’s deer-in-the-headlights? NO buba, it was Obama’s as well as his head up his ass!

  • tutidiez

    Unforunately Obama didn’t unmask Romney on every lie he said, he should have been prepared to do that even if that was all he did, I just can’t understand why we are letting this Habitual Liar getting away with all his lying every time he opens his mouth, and on every issue, his lying vary according to where hi is at the time or to whom he is talking to, one thing I have to give this Jerk is that he is smart enough to know real well and with accuracy where how and when he vomits his lyings, and every time he is confronted about a lie he said he answer with another big lie, this is what a HABITUAL LIAR IS, but the only time you catch this type of jerks telling the truth is when you record them with a hidden camera as a waiter did at a fundrace he had at a millionaire friend home in West Palm Beach whjen he said that 47% of American Voters were Freeloaders scumbags living out of Government, that is when you realy knowm how this type of morons assholes are.

  • latebloomingrandma

    OK. Round one goes to Romney. He brought his “A” game and was aggressive and well prepared. But then again, he, by his own admission , has been unemployed for many years. The President, who looked tired, actually has a pretty stressful day job. We all wondered which Mitt Romney would show up, and the the one who did, came as a surprise to the President. I will anxiously anticipate the next performance. Romney had no qualms about pushing around the president or making the moderator look irrelevant. Now the pres. know s how to prepare. Being “Presidential” and above the fray doesn’t cut it. I can’t believe how much the president left unsaid. He let Romney control the agenda and Jim Leherer’s open-ended questions allowed Romney to control what he wanted to talk about. He made enough statements for the President to try refute, that the 47% or Bain Capital never came up!

    • SaneJane

      If you have ever been to Denver you will also know that it takes time to acclimate to the altitude. The President arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. while Romney had been there several days during his debate prep. Of course, if this is mentioned the right will yell “excuses, excuses”. The last time I was there I felt like a zombie for two days. I think this was some bad scheduling on the Obama teams part. However, there may be some strategy going on here and we may see the fruits of this at the next debate.

      • CAThinker

        I agree… I’ve been to CO Springs several times and it does take me a day or two to feel right… I’m hoping there was strategy there – NitMitt did 180 degree turns all over the place, contradicting most everything he said for the past few months. There should be plenty of material for the next debate – I just hope Obama has the wherewithal to use it… Push the zinger “DO THE MATH”…

  • MRD1056

    I am a strong Obama supporter but he got his butt kicked last night in the debate because he wanted to play nice. The Republicans will never play nice or bipartisan. It is time to take the fight to the streets and end this ridiculous republican lie machine called the “Romney Campaign”! Take the gloves off and fight for what is right!!!!!!!!!

    • CAThinker

      I agree… maybe spend part of a debate preparation session with Samuel L. Jackson… or maybe have Sam in the green room to pump him up…

  • Good Analysis above. But I never ever thought as a Dem that I would ever see Obama get smoked in a debate like that. David Pluff (however its spelled) , Axelrod and the like; better toughen up Obama. Mitt made up some much ground last night.

  • joyscarbo

    WOW! I’m amazed at how many of you neo-conservatives, republicans and tea partiers came to this website to comment on the debates.
    Mitt has his first decent day EVER in this campaign and you’re already crowing him the winner. I guess it doesn’t take much to fool a fool. Romney may have delivered some very good one-liners but he still is flip-flopping on his platform and provides little details to his plan. Did you even listen to the words coming out of his mouth? Or do you just love the fact that he didn’t say he doesn’t give a crap about 47% of you??
    Don’t forget that Mitt said that if he was elected that the economy COULD NOT be fixed in his first term. Yet he has branded Obama a failure for not fixing everything in his first term.
    He doesn’t care about 47% of the American people. He said it while with his rich friends and he can’t take it back. He’s never bothered to explain it or even remotely apologize for it.
    The only detail we really DO KNOW about is that he’ll give all tax breaks to the wealthy and hope they throw some benefitless jobs to the struggling American people.
    This is hardly over. And Mitt has plenty of time to continue to insult your intellegence- or lack thereof.

    • CAThinker

      Help me push this zinger… Obama’s zinger should be “DO THE MATH”…

  • bf

    For me, for the first time I have had the opportunity to hear about Mitt Romney’s plans for America. His plans were clear and made sense. I expected to hear a different angle from Barack which would leave me pondering still over who has the better plans. When it came to Barack, he clearly twisted points made by Romney which Romney was very clear about which lessened the believability of Barack. Barack also kept coming back and saying that Romney talks a good game but isn’t decribing what he intends to do but honestly, as of the end of last night’s debate, I understand much better what Romney intends to do in the next 4 years than I do Barack. I have always had respect for Barack, I have seen Barack as very intelligent but last night he actually came across very foolish!

  • If anyone remembers the Democratic primary debate in 2008 between Hillary and Obama, they will not be surprised at the two contrasting ‘styles’ in this Romney vs Obama debate. Hillary was energetic, determined, intelligent…and was even favored by most women going into the debate. Obama had the same laconic, laid-back, even-tempered, fact-based, easy to understand, intelligent presentation then that he does now. It is understandable if he seems a bit weary after all these years of obstructionism and lies and resistance to bipartisanship and lust for power exercised non-stop by his political opponents.

    • CAThinker

      Understandable… but inexcusable. The country needs Obama to win and he won’t if he continues to perform like he did last night. I expected NitMItt to flounder last night – he stands for nothing, so he has no passion… so what we got from him was passion about nothing… and what we got from Obama was, at best, a lukewarm defense of his record. We need aggressive Obama – I agree that he fought for the American people as he said in his closing statements, but I want to see it… He already has me convinced that he’s the right guy, but if he’s going to convince the undecided, he’s going to have to come out swinging… He has facts, he has his record, that should be all he needs…

  • TheOldNorthChurch

    Romney won on all issues that will count for this election. Obama looked weak with no substance. This confirmed why his record is as weak as he is. To give this guy four more mediocre years would be a travesty. He even tried to be Bill Clinton and then begged the moderator to move on to the next question so he could stop the shellacking.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Sorry, church but us Obama supporters don’t see it that way. I like a president that can state his case in a cool manner that is consistent each and every time. Romney, on the other hand doesn’t have any consistency on any issue. He is like a fluid that can fill any container regardless of shape, He almost completely changed every message he has been giving throughout the campaign. Romney is dangerous because we don’t know who or what he is. He changes every day. God help us if this guy wins.

  • I dont know, watching this debate, this guy Rommey’s, gave me the impression, he can not be trusted….just my impression…..

  • Vishnu Mahant

    Romney may have won the debate, but fats were not on his side. He suddenly was for Romney Care, No five trillion tax cut for the rich or doing away with student loans and support for education. Was he the same Romney we have all along. His arithmetic did not add up. As people understand what Romney was saying or not saying, winning the debate will not matter. I am sure Obama will be little more prepared and aggressive on clarifying the facts. Where are the twelve million jobs that Romney is talking about coming from? Cutting tax has never created jobs, it is the demand that creates jobs. Trickle down economy has never worked. like they say ‘you try doing the same thing, you will keep getting the same results’.

    • CAThinker

      Obama’s zinger should have been “DO THE MATH”… Having had a night to think about it, there’s a fundamental problem with debating Romney – he stands for nothing and he’s not above lying or flip-flopping… How do you compete against someone that doesn’t care about rules or facts? I hope Obama gets aggressive in the next one… he needs to call this liar out and have him explain himself… and expose NitMitt as the fake that he really is…

  • kwilliams10m

    I have been seeing how the media has been blowing it up that Mitt won…I am still waiting on the plan how he’s going to lower taxes, improve edu, or improve anything. He keep saying he’s to do this and that but has not said the “HOW”. I think if I am going to vote for a person I would like details on how his policies are going to benefit me and my family.

    I also think Obama was just to poised. He should have pounced on him for his previous remarks during this campaign, mainly the 47% remark and many other blunders.

    If the American people use the debate last night to finalize their decision to vote for Romney because he was spunkier and happier Mitt with so substance, then we are going to be in a world on trouble.

    How can you trust someone who keeps changing into a different camouflage whenever he’s in a different environment…Sound like a snake to me..

  • He got Mitt to admit that government regulation was a good thing…and to criticise big banks and their ‘too big to fail’ special status…Oh wait. I wonder if Mitt would position himself to make out like a bandit if a big bank was allowed to fail…Hmmmmmmm. Not the usual business he likes to ‘capitalise’ on.

  • Mittey’s big “zinger” of the night most people didn’t really catch: “Trickle down government” Wow what a catchy phrase. I particularly loved his “Oh by the way you did…….” so well rehearsed I could hardly tell it was in fact just that rehearsed.

  • Once again Mittens proves he is a bully by taking advantage of Jim Lehrer.

  • President Obama have to get black on Romney last night Romney looked at him like he was garbage with that stupid grin.I think the problem with the president is that he worry about what white people think of him show your blackness. If you get a second term so be it if not the hell with it and if the country start to turn around the will give all the credit for it anyway if not it will be on you.

  • nana4gj

    Romney’s “style” was that of a CEO in a Boardroom: I talk; you listen. I set the rules. He demonstrated no boundaries, no respect for alloted time, and blustered his way through the entire 90 minutes, spewing old lies, new lies, and, in spite of the new lies, managed to tell us what he really thinks: private healthcare insurance is best for all, even Medicare; public educational system is no good; regulations should be few and left to those who need to be regulated to regulate themselves; drill everywhere, including public lands, preservation be damned; tax cuts for the “job creators” who will create all those jobs they have not created in the 12 years of tax cuts; “bipartisanship” ability because he had a Democratic Majority in Mass who told him what they wanted and he complied, which implies he will do the same with the Republican Majority House and his big donors; and private industry and businesses work best on all issues and in all cases, free market, etc. His reliance on States Rights to provide for the basic needs and equality for people who are citizens of a nation first and foremost and in need of certain universal protections is repulsive to me. Left to some states, such as mine…Texas…federal block grants and monies would be used for political ambitions and ideological, religious beliefs of Governors and Legislatures who hold office, from job creation, education, healthcare, voting rights, environment, industry, and all other quality of life issues. There are limits to what States can impose on US citizens or remove. A citizen in Massachusetts should not have better access to all healthcare than a citizen in Texas; cleaner air; better educational opportunities; or protected voting rights; or any “freedom” based on creed, race, age, ideology, or politics. If we had left civil rights to States, we would still have “segregation yesterday, today, tomorrow, forever”.

    His substance, old, new, contrived, is still objectionable, precisely because he is unbelievable. No one knows what he will do for what he discloses and for what he does not disclose and because of his malleability. Whatever he said in his 90 minutes of monopolization of that debate lacks credibility. He spent many weeks tweaking and twisting his positions to be more marketable with a theatrical production that distracts from the real meat of what was evidenced if one can get past the “style”.

    Had the President brought up topics not raised by the moderator would have seemed defensive and off topic. Had he engaged in the same aggressiveness, there would have been two men shouting and talking over each other. I suspect the President believed ahead of time that it would be “difficult” to “debate” a man who was in constant debate with himself over his own policy positions; who lies so fluently; and who has so little convictions or core beliefs. It would be like trying to ensnare a slippery eel with one’s bare hands. I suspect he did not look forward to this debate because he knows this man is a liar and an opportunist. The President tried to focus on the fact that Romney’s economic policy has been tried and failed; that he has not been forthcoming with specifics; that he has changed an 18 month record of positions to meet a desperate last 5 weeks pre-election. In this first debate, it would have been ineffective to raise the 47% issue, immigration, women’s issues, etc, because the moderator had no questions on those issues. The feedback today would have been that the President was “unseemly” in responding to a hungry dog like another hungry dog.

  • OakenTruncheon

    The real reason this race is so close is because the two candidates are about the same height. Sound ludicrous? Oh, well. Nearly all POTUS races have gone to the tallest.

  • grammypoppy16

    My husband and I found Romney rude and disrespectful,( is that what they call being aggressive) not someone we would want to represent the United States He said nothing informative and did not say what he would actually do to help the middle class. He came across not caring for the ordinary person even though he told stories of people coming up to him and saying they were out of work. He dances around and says anything to get him votes. Yea he would work with democrats, so why wouldn’t he vote for a higher tax on millionaires. Sure he really cares for me. a poor senior citizen. It scares us to think what would happen if Obama care is repealed. It gives us peace of mind that our grandchildren could be covered until they are 26 years. A VOUCHER SYSTEM Young people can hardly pay their bills where are they going to get money to buy a good innsurance plan. Glad Obama took money away from MEDICARE ADVANTAGE the insurance company was making more money while taking away benefits. They denied Me an M.R.I. over riding what a doctor said. Now I’m back on medicare thank Goodness for Medicare. Obama Thanks for being there for us Don’t let Romney and Ryan set us back 50 years ,all that we and my parents before us fought to get.

  • sisterH

    first line of your second paragraph…..I agree with you on that Dom. That is exactly how O got into an office that was way above his head.
    America is waking up to the big snow job they have been sold. The illusion of O’s brilliance has been exposed……he has never been qualified to be president.

  • You are either a paid conservative troll or you weren’t paying attention, ‘muddle’-etc…Obama was absolutely clear in his positions and explanations. He is quite adept at speaking in any situation with confidence and eloquence…or with true empathy and language familiar and understandable to everyone…depending on what the social situation involves. This debate was heavily rehearsed for weeks. Mitt had nothing else going on during that time. The president did. Obama’s usual debate ‘style’ is not a hyper-active attack/bully mode like Romney’s desperate, grasping, last gasp appears to be. All the pundits are delighted that we will all be watching this ‘sporting event’ right up to the end in November…and hanging on every ‘exciting’ word of ‘winner vs loser’ analysis written. Romney is being ‘rope-a-doped’…You’ll see.

  • I think that Obama trying,but he is a demo with a republican congress and they are trying to not do anything or little to make the nation want to remove him ,but let Obama try to fix our nation Obama might surprise the nation don’t shut him out. Give HIM A CHANCE HE really wan tto do it,restore the country’I beileve in him and are willing to give him another change

  • Obama proved in the last election you can tell the public anything and then do what ever you want. And the sheep keep following.

    • daniel bostdorf

      No—what has been proven is that the Republicans created the mess Obama inherited. He needs to finish the job.

      Nothing to do with sheep.

  • I don’t feel like Romney won anything during the debate. He was rude and kept interrupting the President. The President showed more respect and debate decorum by allowing Mitt to complete his statement and signaling the chairperson that he wanted to address Mitt’s statements. I wouldn’t for Mr. Romney because I didn’t believe a word he said.

  • CAThinker

    Ok – I have to admit Obama didn’t really show up last night. On the other hand, the measured, respectful and calm Obama was there. After sleeping on it, I think the flaw in the whole debate was the format… and if it wasn’t the format, it was the moderator. Lehrer lost control early, which gave the advantage to the aggressive party and boxed in the calm and polite party. What was particularly frustrating was that Lehrer didn’t get Romney under control and assert his authority. Obama was frustrating – he should have been taking notes and prepared rebuttals to each of Romney’s points – it would have been easy and each one would have started “How can you say that now, when just last week (or month) you said (fill in the blank)?” NitMitt either flip-flopped or flat out lied and Obama let him run with it… NitMitt needed to be called out on each of his inconsistencies and contradictions and be made to explain why he has changed his mind… AARRGGGHH!!! A lost opportunity – Obama will have to save the last nails in NitMitt’s coffin for the next debate….

    • Justin Napolitano

      Cat, don’t worry about it. It isn’t going to change anything. Those of us that know Romney is a chameleon also know he doesn’t have a sincere bone in his body. He will change his message hourly, if he has too, to try and convince us that he should be President.
      He is not going to change my mind and certainly won’t change the minds of all of us Obama supporters.
      Romney, the snake chameleon can change his message and his skin all he wants but it still won’t make him an empathetic human being.
      I guess what pissed me off was that I wanted the President to punch Romney in the mouth or at least call him out on all of the lies he tells but, the president, being a cool guy, just stated his case and let Romney shoot off his mouth.
      Perhaps what we all admire about President Obama is his ability to remain cool calm and collected.

  • rkt

    And next up is Candy Crowley — a Wannabe David Gregory, who himself doesn’t even rise to the level of Chris Wallace. Yee Haw! We might as well schedule a round of cafeteria food fights.

  • I think Jim Lehrer should not have been allowed to leave the rest home last night! And Mitt Romney is plain rude and did not even try to follow the rules in the debate. A Cheater and a L yer.

    • neece00

      I agree, he was rude and pushy.

  • Pancha_Chandra

    Romney may have scored a rare victory but he is by no means on a winning streak. President Obama who has been holding the ascendancy for so long will make Romney eat humble pie. It is good when there is some competition and will keep the two candidates on their toes. Obama has far superior policies!

  • jarheadgene

    WHAT?? Romney’s whole debate was a lie……..or his whole campaign has been a lie. CHOSE ONE. His debate put him 180 degrees out from this years campaign including his 47% comments. Suddenly he is the empathetic guy who understands the middle class plights……MY ASS!

  • kanawah

    From the technical debating stand point, maybe Mittens won.

    The question is, which Mitten won, the “right” one, or the “left” one.

    During the debate, he went totally “etch-a-sketch” . The has either been lying for the past 18 months, or he lied his ass off last night.

  • Romney is a fast talking salesman who would sell his mother the George Washington Bridge. He was glib of speech, but look in his eyes! A business man whose only goal is to close the deal without any consideration of those who would suffer the ill effects of his actions. If he succeeds in putting this over on the public, he will have fooled all the people all of the time, and the middle and lower income people of this country will be in dire straits. Will we be this gullible? Even after all his retractions!

  • ObozoMustGo

    Only the most committed leftist freak who happens to be deaf and blind could say that Obozo did not get he ever lovin ass kicked all over that stage. It’s very clear that without a teleprompter and a staged audience, the empty suit that is Obozo shows up loud and clear.

    Have a nice day!

    “POTUS – TOTUS = EMPTY SUIT*2” – ObozoMustGo

    • Justin Napolitano

      Obozo, back again with your drivel I see. Obama was debating a snake, no change that, make it a chameleon. Romney disavowed just about every issue is has been running on.
      He says he won’t lower taxes for the rich (wait until they find out) but has said repeatedly that he would lower tax rates and make interest and dividends tax free. We all know the rich benefit more than any other group on that issue. He said he is “saving” Medicare by killing it.
      He and Ryan say, well current Medicare recipients don’t have to worry because we aren’t going to screw you just the poor bastard who happens to be 54 years old. Imagine how you would feel if you were 54 and your neighbor was 55, He is going to get Medicare and your are going to get screwed.
      He is such a god damn liar I wouldn’t believe anything he said if he was sitting on a stack of bibles and had another one shoved up his As*.
      This guy is a filthy pig who changes his message as often as he changes his socks. Just who the hell is this guy Romney? I sure don’t know but he will most certainly be someone different tomorrow.

      • Justin, the talk about people over 55 not having to worry is to get the senior vote. Once they get their greedy paws on Social Security and Medicare, that could change for people over 55.

        • Justin Napolitano

          I agree with you Maggie. In fact I believe that Romney will try to do away with Medicare on day one, if he should win the Presidency. I have no idea who this person “Romney” is. Someone asked me if I would vote for Romney and I said which one?

      • ObozoMustGo

        Nappy…. hey, if I were you, I’d be pissed off too. The curtain was torn back on your Wizard and the whole world now sees what an incompetent and lazy bum he really is when he doesn’t have a controlled audience in a staged event with a lap dog media that cleans up his every mistake. Your messiah is really a goat, and 65 million people know it now. For Pete’s sake, Lehrer was doing his best to coach Obozo and lead him with answers turned into questions. To no avail. Can’t make filet mignon out of cheap hamburger. To bad for your leftist freaks. hehehehehehehe

        Have a nice day!

        “Rule of thumb… never trust what comes from the mouth of a socialist politician. They are only lying to you so they can spend other people’s money to build up their own power base and bureaucracy.” – ObozoMustGo

  • chisolm

    It seems the new trend among Democrats is to compare Clinton with President Obama. Clinton moved to the center to save his legacy, worked with Republicans from a minority position and was fairly successful. President Obama insists on moving further and further to the left, not a good place to be in a country that continues to be center right.
    Romney is correct in his statement about the increase of domestic oil coming from private land, out of control of the federal government, i.e. President Obama.

  • AMADAL

    I’ve read enough comments on who won, actually, I don’t think either one “won”. I think Obama let Romoney get away with blatent lies because he was more focused on what he was going to say and not responding to Mittens obvious shift toward the same views as Obama. Did you notice Mittens call Obama’s economic plan “trickle down economics”? What a joke. Obama should have called him out on that statement. Mittens plan to lower the rate of taxes while removing deductions (unspecified) is revenue neutral at best. How is that going to lower the decifit and increase revenue. Oh yeah, he will shift the burden of education and medicaid to the states. It may lower the federal budget, but what do you think it will do to the states budgets? Most of the states are struggling now, so the result will be lower health services, especially to children, lower education, and higher state taxes. That only shifts where you pay your taxes, it will not lower them. Romoney was also very carefull not to mention lowering tax rates on the rich, just closing loopholes. His explainations sounded like he was supporting what Obama has been saying all along while trying to make it sound like his ideas. His lies were obvious, as well as his shift to the middle. And don’t get me started on Medicare vouchers and privitising SS–the numbers do not add up.

  • Romney ploy worked last night. Obama was prepared to debate him on what Romney had been saying in his campaign speeches and he did a turn-around. That was clever. However, was that the real Romney?

  • Lloyd1957

    I did find it rather unlike the president to not bite back or respond to Romney’s criticisms. It just seemed like they were told to keep it professional and low key. Not sure who won this debate, but there are still 2 more. I don’t put much into their rhetoric; I just go to politifacts or other websites who wade through lies and half truths on both sides to bring a clearer picture on the facts.

    • Justin Napolitano

      Know one knows who Romney is because he changes himself every day.

  • The difference between the two candidates last night was one simple thing: Romney lied and Obama told the truth. Romney’s 7 trillion dollar tax cut plan is a fact (which he kept denying) and there is no $700 billion “cut” to Medicare: this amount is what will be cut back from payments to hospitals, doctors, insurance companies, and drug companies: all of which are entities which are currently being paid far too much and which do not produce good health outcomes compared to the rest of the world. Make no mistake, Obama was far too passive. Be assured he will not make that mistake again. Also, we will hopefully have a moderator next time capable of doing his job.

  • daves

    President Obama stutters way too much.

  • jarheadgene

    And Romney said “If I paid more than I was required in taxes, I shouldn’t be President” He paid 14% when he really could have legally paid less than 13% for 2011. What is your point?

  • President Obama won the debate. He seemed docile because he was trying not to come off as the angry black man which he would have been characterized as if he tried to match Romney’s aggression. He calmly pointed out the facts. The aggressive left wanted him to match the aggression. But on MSNBC Al Sharpton said it best…Mitt made some LARGE tactical mistakes that will haunt him in the days to come. The President was trying hard to balance looking Presidential, not coming across as the angry black man and staying in charge…that is a TOUGH balancing act in the heat of the moment. And as always the one who calls the other a liar most often in debates looses…and Mitt called the President a liar about five times. It makes you look small minded. In a debate the best approach is to state your position as a fact and let the audience make up their minds who is lying. Finally in the snap poll only 42% said Mitt WON where 22% said The President WON and 36% said it was a tie…therefore 58% for the president beacause a tie is a win for the President in the context of his national lead in the polls and his lead in the swing states. Mitt still could not move more than 42% his way. Mittens needed 50% or better to say he won and he did not get it. Rev Al said Mitt’s best is not good enough and he is RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      WRONG AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

      • awakenaustin

        Your shift key is stuck.

  • Tom_D44

    Clean energy is not here yet. It doesn’t exist in any form that is self sufficient. Electric cars still require electricity to charge and have batteries that are expensive to replace and dangerous when disposed of. Solar and Wind are not developed to the point that they can replace the amount of energy we need to run our homes and businesses. It is important to continue to pursue new technology and alternative sources of energy but until that happens do we continue to send all of our money to our enemies in the middle east or do we tap into our own resources until the clean energy sources are developed? Obama has funneled millions to Mexico and South America for them to explore deepwater drilling in their waters but stops our own? That makes no sense.

  • Lovefacts

    What was missing last night–among many things–was, to quote Chris Mathews, Obama having someone like Bobbye Kennedy who told JFK before his first debate to “Kick him (Nixon) in the balls.”

    I finally muted the TV and watched using captions. It was amazing. Without sound as a distraction, body language became very important. Obama’s smile was easy, relaxed. Whereas, Romney’s seemed tight, smug, and at times condescending. Then there were Romney’s neverending hand motions, finger jabs, and not looking at the camera. Most of the time, I thought he was talking to Obama, not the viewer–me.

    But the worst thing about the debate was moderator. Talk about being over one’s head. He so lost control that the captions seldom showed him saying anything. I sure hope the next debate has strong questions and returns to timed answers with lights–green for go, yellow for 30 seconds, and red means stop or your mic’s cut off. Otherwise, while I’m a news junkie, I’ll be missing in action.

    • CAThinker

      I nominate Samuel L. Jackson to be in the ready room with Obama… And I have the same observations as you do regarding the debate – didn’t like the format and if you’re going to use that format you need someone more forceful and authoritative, with a hand on the mic. To me, it seemed like NitMitt was in a rush to get his talking points in, whether or not that was the topic… hurrying to get it out and reciting by rote just to make sure he didn’t mess it up..

  • ca19th50

    A Leopard never changes his spots. Just because you expound on a bunch of numbers, bully and disrespect the moderator and be agressive, does not make you Presidential. Romey is still gonna cut funding for a lot of important programs, Planned Parenthood , other women’s health ,and for God’s sake Sesame Street? Please don’t forget whats important!!!! For months he said he was giving the wealthy a $250,ooo tax cut and other things and the night of the debate, change his mind? Give me a break. Flip flopping all over the place. and telling some folks what they want to hear

  • dutchess47

    During and after the debate,I found myself remembering the slick car salesman ,who sold me a lemon of a car,everytime Mr.Romney opened his mouth! It is a sin that an honest man like the president needs to listen to his “game”. It takes a man like our president to stand and listen to this crap and then answer with the truth in a calm manner without resorting to Mr.Romney’s lies.

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      Do you NOT ever listen to the news????
      Do you NOT know everything Obama has pulled the last 4-years????
      Are you NOT educated on the matter???
      Do your homework!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ed Mays

    It`s a disgrace that there was no mention that we have troops dying in war time…does everything have to be about money??

  • Don

    I have another check tyo write tyo Obama, buty I am sorry it will not be sent. He already has $60.00 of my money and NO more.

  • elw

    I am not sure if I watched the same debate as others. I see so different. I did not see Mitt Romney behavior as Presidential, it was aggressive, rude and inappropriate. He refused to play by the rules set down for the debate, the rules he agreed to. He over- talked Lehrer requests that he honor the time lines and he lied and lied and lied. In fact, he reminded me of the talking heads on cable news, a lot of fast rapid talking point that say nothing. If you paid attention, he claimed he was not going to lower the top earners tax rates – then said (several times) that everyone would get a 20% tax deduction. He never explained how he was going to make up that 20% loss of income, except with the blue-sky prediction that it will be filled by all the people getting jobs and making more money. Promising something from a policy that history has proven works just the opposite, as the President pointed out. He called the President of United States a liar, a child and made many other rude remarks to him. Is this the behavior we want in our President? Should he be talking to anyone like that? How would look if he did that to Heads of States? Oh, we already know how he insulted our Allies on his trip to Europe.

    The whole debate was terrible, yes Romney ruled the stage but not in a positive way. He still has not fully given us any details on how he will make up the 20% cut in taxes, where he will get the extra 2 trillion dollars for military spending, or how he is going to save Medicare by turning it into a voucher program or how that will help seniors.

    I wish that President Obama had called Romney on his lies, but he did not. I wish Lehrer has kept better control over the conversation, but he did not. I found it embarrassing for Romney to stand on a national stage and present his lies over and over again in such an aggressive manner, and I felt disappointed in the President that the President didn’t take a stronger stand against him. In the long run, I agree with other on this blog – this debate will not make that big of a difference. Romney cannot run from is policies of the last years and that is what the people will see over and over again in ads. We have all seen how he changes his story from day to day, he is not trustworthy. The economy is improving and those of us in the middle can feel it. President Obama will win and I say thanks to the “Power That Be.”

    • CAThinker

      Thanks for verifying my observation. Help me push this zinger, it speaks to your second paragraph… “DO THE MATH”…

      • ALLLLAMERICAN

        REALLY???????

      • elw

        I am on your side. I will push it as much as I can.

  • jebediah123

    Yes, one could say that Obama “lost” the debate. He could have brought out more details on clean energy, Wall street regulations, etc. etc. However, to me he appeared tired, with no strong will to argue. I have a deep feeling that Obama is weary of the fight, particularly when he knows that should he win he will face the same non-cooperative House of Representatives that will shoot down anything he proposes.

    But let me point out something about the economy. Mitt Romney’s statement that he will create 12 million new jobs is an absurdity. The fact is, in an economy that is 70% generated by consumer spending, the average consumer has very little cash and is still struggling with heavy debt.

    At the begining of the Great Recession, many economists predicted it would take a minimum of 5 years to get back on the economic track. This was later changed to 7 or 8 years. Now, does anyone here recall Japan’s “Lost Decade”? The similarities to the present recession are striking. Anyway, even after reducing the prime interest rate to zero, it took 10 years to get on an even keel. And their economic situation is still a bit rocky. It was caused by a massive collapse of the real estate market. Gee, does that sound familiar?

    But the Republicans know all this and their constant barrage of denigrating messages to blame Obama for the present economic mess is only to convince the 10% of Americans who are undecided to vote Republican.

    A very similar promise was made here in Wisconsin by Governor Walker two years ago. He said he would create 250,00 new jobs since his polocies removed the state of Wisconsin debt burden. Well, he’s got another 2 years to come up with 220,000 more jobs. Wow, maybe it should have been Romney-Walker on the ticket—-together they could promise maybe 15 million new jobs!!!!!!

    The real fear of a Republican win will be changes to the tax laws and to social programs. Trust me, it will be devastating to the poor and middle class.

  • Mr. Obama did a good and honest job. All Mr. Romney did was lie over and over again, I appreciate Mr. Obama and his calmness which aloud Mr. Romney to hang himself in falsehood. Mr. Romney sent his mail ahead of him and tried to rewrite it in the debate last night but the mail had already been read.

    GOD BLESS PRESIDENT AND HIS FAMILY. AND GOD HELP MR. ROMNEY WHO DECLARES HIMSELF TO BE A HONEST MAN OF GOD. THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      Your an IDIOT if you think Obama did a good job!!!!

      • awakenaustin

        It is “you’re” not “your.” You best get your house in order if you are going to call others idiots.

        • ALLLLAMERICAN

          This is a blog that people type fast—It’s not a very important document!!!!
          You ARE an idiot for being anal!!!!!!!!!!

          FREAK!!!!!!!

          It’s a fact that when people are losing an argument, they start correcting grammar as YOU just did —MORON!!

          • awakenaustin

            How about this? You are a fuzz ball in need of serious medication. My dog makes better arguments than you when she takes a dump. If you want to win an argument try a 10 year old. They still think in concrete terms as you do. Only people with serious mental disorders use a lot of capital letters and exclamation points. If you kept your mouth closed people might think you know something.

  • There was NO debate. Romney grabbed the ball and ran rough-shod over Lehrer and the President, lying in his teeth all the while. If they are going to agree to “rules” before the “debate” they MUST be made to adhere to them and they should be CALLED OUT every time they tell a Bald-faced Lie!

    • Oh, Nancy, some facts to prove who was lying. I can look up dates and speeches where Romney said the opposite of what he said last night. I even saw one interview with Brian Williams where Romney said he couldn’t be expected to fix the economy in four years.

  • I can’t believe we have so many gulibale people in america, that they can’t see that romney is lying and can’t be trusted to do anything but hurt this nation. He want to start another war; destroy medicaid, medicare, socical security. screw the work force around by sending jobs oversees. And hook line sinker! corporate welfare, The american people, and the media are looking for the wrong things in the debate, they just want to see a fight who gives a dam about who’s speaking to the issues of the people. All they are is, judgeing the debate on is who was better at being a disrespectful ass, I say Obama won hands down, no contest, he was cool calm collective, spoke to the issues, told the truth, he is belevable and is doing everything humanly possible that could have been done under the current circumstances of this mess the republicans have put us in and continue to do so. Wake up america be hounest with your self; if this man is elected it will be worst than what George bush did to us. those who go out and vote for romney, who need everything that president Obama is doing are the most stupid people on the face of this earth. But make no mistake it’s not over yet watch Obama blast his ass before it’s over…we have two more debates, and a differant moderator. Come on people we are making progress. it’s better to move forward than to start working backwards.

  • HOW do you compete with a down and out liar. Romney flip flopped his position as was just report here that he will say anything and do anything to win the Presidency. This is not a person our countrymen should put their faith into. We have had enough lies, mistruth by the Bush/Cheney administration to last our country for centuries to come. When he claims he will create jobs we should ask what kind of jobs, where will they be and how much will they pay and for how long will they last?

  • carsrus

    nee…., Bully, bully, the only bully I have ever know who BECAME President is Obama! He TRIED to BULLY the SCOTUS in front of US at a tof the Union address! He bullies anyone who DARES disagree with him. He is the consumate, effete snob, academia bully, who thinks we are his students!

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      That’s what we want and like, someone to protect this country and run it the right way not the coward way and be a terrorist along with the terrorist! HELLLLOOOOO!!!!!!

      WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

      Welcome President BULLY—WELCOME!!!

  • carsrus

    Suck it up, Justy, I KNOW a number of democRATS who will not vote for the forked tongued, LIAR Obama. Snake, Ha, the only snake in that room was the snake oil slaesman, the marsxist-maoist muslim SHILL, Barack Obama! No Obama BLEW it BIGTIME, he LOST the election! Get used to President Romney , a man of substance!

    • carsus, ach tung! You are part of the problem of what is wrong with this country. the division and hatred from you tea baggers.

  • The debate was a disaster. There were plenty of opportunities for Obama to zing Romney’s comments and he failed at every opportunity. He could have responded to Romney’s New Positions (he has a new one each week depending on who he is talking to), but Obama let EVERY opportunity slip by. When Romney offered that perhaps Obama should consider a new accountant the President should have said “Sure you mean the one that shifts your money to the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.”

    Now Romney claims he is for EVERYTHING he said he was against during the Primaries and Obama should have said so on each and every point including the date and time Romney said it. This way the public would see they have a smooth talking used car salesman in front of them feeding them just want they want to hear.

  • Woe to the people of this country if Romney’s “Big Lie(s)” tactic/technique should influence gullible voters.

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      Speaking of GULLIBLE—–Wake Up!!!!!!!!!

  • carsrus

    Sorry, u may think yourself as americanmom1, but in truth, if you support Obama, u r really un-American! This shill is AGAINST the base fabric of our Great Constitutional Republic! He has NO core values, because he can not bring himself, as a pathological meglomaniac ,to support any true commitment and stick with itTherefore, all he is is out for himself! A self centered, elite snob who somehow got to become President because he was perceived as Black, but is really half white. He was NOT vetted by an adoring left wing media who have shored him up at every disasterous decisons he’s made! Over his head, Barack Obama has never been up to the task of President, ansd as President Romney takes two terms to clean up his disasterous mess, Obama will, forever be on the “ash heap of history” as America’s WORSE President!
    Where does Barack Obama stand? Please answer this question with specificity! I see him standing for the destruction of our Constitution. He is against FREEDOM of speech! Against FREEDOM of Religion! He wants to re-distribute MY hard earned wealth, and giving it to those on the dole, those who DEPEND on democRAT handouts and freebees! THOSE how will vote democRAT just to keep from working our American DREAM, to be self efficient and productive! No, my dear ms america, u r so ill advised and WRONG, only once President Romney SHOWS leadership and Presidentail stature will those of your ilk be proven incorrect. Yet, sandly, u will never see or admit to it!

    • According to carsrus, hatred and bigotry MUST be the American way. SO MUCH HATE AND VILE!!!!

      Also, do you think Mr. “Etch a Sketch” can actually commit to any one principle or idea? He changes like a chameleon with every audience he addresses.

      Sorry, carsrus, the Governor should at least stay on the Party line about something. ANYTHING!!!

      As for Romney taking two terms to CLEAN UP THE MESS caused by President Obama, THAT MESS WAS CREATED BY GEORGE THE SECOND, AND HIS BAND OF TRAITORS, (RE: CHENEY OUTING VALERIE PLAME, ETC).

      And yet, the entire Republican Party criticizes President Obama for taking so long to clean up the mess created by his predecessor.

      BASICALLY, GEORGE THE SECOND CAUSED THE TRAIN WRECK, AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE BLAMING PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIS FIRST RESPONDERS FOR TAKING SO LONG TO CLEAN IT UP.

      GROW UP!!!! Learn to accept the fact that the budget deficits were built into the system by Bush and Company, and will be with us for many years to come. REGARDLESS WHO IS PRESIDENT!!!!

      The fact that we are not in a serious depression already is because of President Obama.

      PUTTING BUSH/CHENEY CLONES IN POWER WILL ONLY MAKE THINGS FAR WORSE THAN THEY ARE NOW.

  • JCASTROJR

    President Obama definitely gave a very disappointing performance. He appeared unprepared, even uninterested, and kept on nodding his head as if agreeing with what Mitt Romney was saying. Obama did not even call out the former governor of Massachusetts on the blatant lies that Romney has been peddling since he became the Republican nominee nor did he challenge Romney to recite specifics about his tax plan and his alternatives to Obamacare and the Frank-Dodd “regulate Wall Street” law. If the President was trying to convince us that he was “the nicer guy”, he succeeded. Uninspiring Mr. Nice Guy.
    On his part, Mitt Romney succeeded in putting up a stellar performance worthy of a thespian award. When he talked of his heart going out to the jobless, the poor, the sick, and the young people who are unable to access good quality education or find jobs, he appeared to be choking with such emotion that I was waiting for him to shed some tears for those who belong to the 47%. What an actor he was!
    And a bully! He succeeded in bullying the moderator and the President of the US of A! Now, if that’s what we want in our leader, God bless America.

  • What was clear last night was that neither candidate really has cogent plans for the economy. Romney’s plan changes on the fly from moment to moment and Obama’s is based upon a hope and a prayer Mitt claims to have a plan to add 12 million good paying jobs. I suppose he thinks that Staples is an example of his good paying jobs. Google Staples pay scale and that idea soon disappears.

    The fact is that there is a very good reason why economics is called the dismal science. The workings of the economy, the how and why are beyond the mere hyperbole spouted by both parties. The reaction, or lack of, from the leadership of the country these past few years has been to wait and see. The Congress has hoped that things would improve without any action from them on the job front. Historically after a recession ends the indicators improve and confidence is restored…bringing about renewed growth. The leadership is having a problem understanding the new normal and the actual damage done to the real job creators…the middle class. The basic idea that 70% of our economy can be sustained by consumption has to be questioned in light of this new normal we are witnessing. Will the leadership mature and question?

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      Did you NOT listen at allll or do you just not understand things when you hear them explained to you????

      Was it not SIMPLE enough for you????

  • carsrus

    Hey Justy, now u have to slam those folks with diabilities! DISGRACE! Typical of u left wing idiots, racism is called for when u have NOTHING to show for Obama’s 3+ “annus horribilis”, or slam the disabled! U are unable to “think critically” because of the koolaid u drink from Obama’s fountain of LIES! My mind is clear, and not filled with the LIESflowing forth from the forked tongued “messiah” and his pack of fetid minions! Get used to President Romney, cause u will have to…………….or, move. How’s about commie cuba? Venezuela? Both would seem to fit your needs quite well!

    • grammyjill

      I guess Romney did win last night if you’re only counting the lies. Romney 36-
      Obama 0.

  • carsrus

    Justin, I will keep on busting ur cojones, and won’t go away! Just lv gettin ur panties in a bunch! Can’t stand the truth, huh?

  • Romney won, hands down!! Wake up and smell the coffee!! LOL!!!

  • What is the purpose of the these debates? To show the people what the candidates think and what they plan to do. These debates are not intended as a boxing match to be judged by one man. Let us listen to the candidates. Let us hear their agenda, and after three debates, vote for the one who is more likely to propel the country in the right direction. Let us not in the end vote based on which candidate threw in the most punches. So, take your notes and expand them, the next time these two candidates meet again, and then when November comes, we use our notes to compare the candidates the night before and then we cast our vote the next day.

    • ALLLLAMERICAN

      They are to HELP the uneducated and uninformed to learn something!!!!!!!!!!

      • awakenaustin

        I am in suspense. Did you learn anything?

        • ALLLLAMERICAN

          I always read whats going on in the world and watch the news—
          Soooo, I already knew everything that was said!!!

  • carsrus

    Hey, Justy, can’t sniff any, Obama took and sniffed it ALL last night! Guess that’s why he was so out of it and glassy eyed! oh, gee, forgot, he’s ALWAYS that way! Glue on Michelles “good food “menu up there in the regime’s White House?

  • lloz3

    Everybody knows that the incumbent always wins the first round of debates. Time will show who is the stronger candidate to run our country. I think President Obama gave Romney all the rope he needed last night to hang himself!!! Everybody stay tuned Obama is not done yet!! I just hope that when Obama does win this election the sour losers of this country will be “grown up” enough to come together as a country and work together to put some of his ideas to work, because if you
    really look back and evaluate why we are where we are in this country, a lot of fault can be found with right wingers in congress who blocked him at every pass!!!

  • The voters lost last night!

  • The voters were the losers in this debate. Where was the line: “That’s a lie and you know it! Here are the facts.”?

  • waynehagen

    It would seem that the president last evening said very little but to defend himself. What he did do was to feed Romney allowing him to commit himself. Romney became arrrogant enough to take the bate. In doing so romney proceded to put his foot down his own throat. He forced Romney to commit himself publicly to the whole nation a complete reversal of everything he Romney stands for. In doing this romney has shown himself to be a snake in the grass liar. Romney will tell the world just what they want to hear, just to get his own ajenda in to the future predidence he would, he would have. this next round will be enteresting watching him squirm his way out of this one. I truely believe that President Obama has burried the hatchet, romney is most definitly for not the people. This may be a strange thing to say, but, I dont think that I would want to be Romne. There are two many dirty millions of dollars tied to this election. how will he or what will become of him. Big oil, big banks , big people and other nations, they can creat bad business. The Bible speaks of the great deciever, Romney FOX the republican agenda.

  • “The subjects that present the most political danger for Romney — immigration, gun control, women’s health, and his “47 percent” remarks — were never mentioned by either Lehrer or Obama.” The question is “Why not?” We need Potus to be an aggressive debater in order to win. He does a great job as president, and since this is a media game, he needs (and Joe Biden needs) to be an assertive debater. Watching Romney lie like a rug while pretending to support the middle class is sickening. He should be called on his game.

  • greghilbert

    Yes, Romney one-upped the trickle-down Repub presidents Regan and Bush-Bush, whose policies largely explain the great transfer of wealth from the many to the few that is yet ongoing.

    That made Obama’s wooden failure all the more maddening. We needed an FDR in 2008 but got an Obama. We needed an FDR last night but got Obama. If re-elected, Obama will still be Obama. Better for America than Romney, but not the leader America needs to reverse the ongoing transfer of wealth.

  • scoopiedo

    I totally agree with you about Lehrer as modiator, but was also disappointed with Obama.
    He let Romney ramble on and on, and didn’t challenge the sleeze ball Romney on any of
    his lies. Felt very let down when it was over. Am sure Romney has a boost in the polls
    now. Romney’s continuous sicking smile made me want to vomit………Arlette Towner

  • The debate was uncontrolled and misdirected. The american people deserve better. The candidates should be debating the proper size and role of government. Instead, we are buried in name calling, hostility, diversions and lies. We need a sober and realistic debate, based upon facts, perspectives, relevance and honesty. Read these posts, I believe the american people are insecure and dissalusioned with the policical posturing of our national candidates.

  • edward10scott37

    The jury would favor Romney, not because he said anything meaningful, but because he was
    forceful, passionate. Obama sounded like an academic in a seminar. He needs fire in his belly
    showing a deep passion. One example would be on health care. Speak forcefully about the fact
    we spend close to a trillion dollars a year on military and homeland security. Why? to protect us. of course.
    But as the only developed nation without universal health care, some 45000 Americans
    needlessly die every year, not to mention physical and financial suffering. That’s 15 9/11s
    a year! Indeed the average per capita cost in other countries is 50% of ours. That is we could
    save 1.5 trillion a year (50% of our current 3 trillion hedalth care cost). So Mr. Romney we could save many lives and save a vast amount of money so don’t tell me we can’t afford it, we can’t not afford it. Such arguements stated both clearly and with passion would set Romney on the ropes.

  • zansrunner

    I’m not at all sure the value of these debates. When you get down to it you have one man who doesn’t have to say anything because his record speaks for him, then you have the other who just has to say what he thinks the most people want to hear. I am reminded of an old country song, “Give me forty acres to turn this rig around.” Thats what I see. The turn around, if sucessful will be slow. Right now I like what I see in the signs, but we have been a long time getting to this point, and it will be a while before we are clear of it.

  • Neither candidate won.

    Obama clearly wasn’t out to win. He was just out to present himself in contrast to the imaginary Obama that sat in Clint Eastwood’s chair at the convention. He succeeded at that, but this was not what anyone in his base was hoping he would do.

    Romney, meanwhile, certainly looked calm and comfortable bullshitting at the debate, but he once again refused to do something people have spent all year yelling at him to finally do: Provide a few details. He reiterated all of his promises, but once again refused to provide even a smidgen of insight into how exactly he planned to fulfill them.

    So it was a no-win for either party. Obama looked soft, and Romney is still coming across as a B.S. artist and not an actual leader.

  • alanegross

    As a very strong and committed Obama supported, I readily admit that he “lost” the debate and I don’t need to scapegoat Jim Lehrer for being 80 years old!. Some of your analysis makes sense and one debate does not make a summer. The race is far from over but please park your agism very deep in your arsenal of defensiveness!. We can support our candidate and still be reasonable!

    Alan (also old like Lehrer but can still think for myself)

  • Mitt Romney never said how he was going to fix anything if you watch romney lie after lie on what he says

  • I sent in a tweet to fox news about our foreign jobs and using the Cayman Islands as a tax shelter.I don’t know if they got my tweet,but someone did ask Romney and he said he had been in business for 25 years and he had never heard of this.Brown and Root and Haliburton have been doing this in the middle east through the Cayman Islands for years and Romney has an address box438 inthe British Virgin Islands.He lies as if he were caught in a sordid affair.Lie lie and deny.

  • oldtack

    Oh – that money is just for Ann’s emergency fund – like putting a car elevator in the house to drop her off at her bedroom door. Last night Romney did what he has done since he bagan his Campaign – He vows to do this and that miraculous thing – but never tells us his platform to do these things. His reply is “trust me”. When one hears that rhetoric the best one can do is run for shelter.

  • Charles2051

    Was good debate, Mitt did very good, he had changed by mind, When Obama run on CHANGE, boy did he do good, U.S. has NEVERY seen anything like this before. NO JOBS, HIGH GAS PRICES, GAVE ALL OUR TAX DOLLARS TO BIG BANKS SO THEY COULD PASS ON TO ALL UPPER PERSONAL, CHANGED COST HEALTH INS. UP 20%, AND LET MIDDLE EAST DRAG U.S. DOWN STREET AND DID NOTHING.

  • jim1230

    People who believe Romney are playing Romney roulette, Like Russian roulette, You remove 5 bullets from the revolver , leaving one bullet in the revolver, you spin the revolver, hoping that the one bullet doesn’t line up with the gun barrel. Then you hold the gun to your head ,and pull the trigger. People that like Romney, play Romney roulette, You just remove just one bullet from the revolver, leaving 5 bullets in the revolver, spin the revolver and hope the one empty chamber lines up with the barrel, Your odds of winning drop off ,5 to 1 . Same as voting for MR. KNOW IT ALL. JERK ROMNEY. I would of liked for President O Bama to have commented on the unfair Medicare extra That some people receive, free health club membership, All people on medicare should receive benifits that are necessary ,not luxery. And as far as Romney wanting to do away with PBS, That is the only station that tell the truth, Not like fox news, Or the stations that Bain Capitol run.

  • If the debate had anything to do with the truth, President Obama won. As Governor Romney said, if you keep telling the same thing over, and over, someone will believe it. I say this means, even when you are repeating lies. The information sticks, and people who don’t know, and haven’t listened to any of the truthful information that is out there, believe the lies they heard, and will continue to hear during the debates. Lies need to be disputed with the truth. That’s all I have on this, and this is the truth.

  • Mulligatonney

    I must have been watching a different debate than most of you. Possibly for the first time, the Emperor had to appear without his “teleprompter clothes”, and without his handlers and spinners gathered around him to spoon feed him as to what to say, he was impotent. He looked down most of the time, stammered, could not collect his thoughts or focus. He needed real answers to real questions and could not come up with any. He looked more like a schoolboy who had just been caught by his father taking money out of his mother’s purse…

    This from an “articulate, intellectual” great debater? I think the thunderbolt hit him all at once – he realized last night with the point his opponent made about the 90 billion dollars he gave to subsidize green technologies which could have been used to hire those millions of teachers he was talking about that his policies over the last four years have really and truly failed and why the job of President of the United States cannot be handled by an ideologue whose only experience was college, anti-American associations, and a low-level community organizing job.

    I think he realized at that moment, leaving aside the fact that he is basically a communist trying to convert the United States into a Third World communist regime – that he is in over his head…

    If he is going to pull a “Fidel Castro” on America, he needs to show up to the gun fight with at least a few bullets. What I saw from him last night was pathetic. Sub Hugo Chavez… And all the post-debate interviews with his supporters revealed a general sense of horrified amazement at his complete inability to get off the ground and respond intelligently to any issue, much less mount any serious attack of his own.

    Even his most avid zealot supporters like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow, and even the great propagandist fact-spinner David Axelrod were absolutely dismayed. They tried to provide some cover for him, but there really wasn’t much available.

    Axelrod did the best he could at damage control, calling Romney’s half of the debate a “performance that he had planned and rehearsed more for than the Allies when they invaded Normandy” or some such nonsense, but he lacked the conviction of his own words. Romney had the statistics and facts firmly in his grasp and accessed them quite easily as each situation came up. This is how the experience of a real-world businessman shows up. He is able to respond quickly and confidently to high pressure, rapid-fire questions and issues that come up in a debate because he has experienced it. He has taken bankrupt, failed entities and gotten them running again. OBama has no idea even where to begin.

    Both candidates showed exactly who they were last night. You might not be happy with what you saw with your guy – but at least now you know who he really is.

    Unless you insist upon playing out your role as ostrich to the bitter end – out of determination or spite, or some other human artifact of hero worship…

    • daniel bostdorf

      The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

      We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

  • dljones

    First debate is over. The nation saw more than 60 second Romney ads and the national consensus proves he is a clear winner. As usual, Lerher from government subsidized PBS was his usual two decade failure. Obviously you can clearly see the difference between Obama the Socialist trickle down government and Romney, a Capitalist Free Enterprise government working FOR the people. Obama distributes wealth,(fair shot level playing field syndrome} and a Romney free government that does not encumber free people to prosper. For starters, Obama still does not understand how Romney can cut taxes 20% and run government. The effect is to spur increased employment 12 million jobs that broaden (increases) the tax base, and rid government programs that (the acid test) require a China credit cards to pay for them. Obama failed to recognize American companies overseas were excluded US taxes but the truth is that the companies pay generally lower foreign taxes and are taxed AGAIN at a higher rate when and if the company returns to the U.S. One big job killing difference-welcome home ! And Obama’s 90 billion dollar spending binge on natures electricity a disaster of failed companies. That bust was taxpayers money of which we realized zero return, and the green companies CEO’s and employees were made whole. Fine print supporting Obama’s picking winners and losers. And thanks Mr President for taking 760+million out of my medicare and putting it in my IRS mandated “Afordable” Health Care. Keep squeezing the middle class and who will support the 47%.

    Stay tuned as we have barely scraped the surface. My sympathy to big bird, Elmo, and the rest of the gang. In case your teachers have not been visible in the lunch line, peek in their sack lunch and find everything good that your now denied.

  • The sad thing is that a majority of people who bothered to watch the debates will pay more attention to Mitt Romney’s supposed “style” than whether anything he says has any substance…AND that our society has defined a good “style” to be willing to run roughshod over any kind of civil debate. Romney was pushy, came off fake, was smug (though he has no reason to be), and did not give ONE detail of any of his so-called “plans”.
    To me, it is obvious that the real plan is to take Americans for all we’re worth, unless we fall into the category that might be invited to a $50,000 lunch…in which case, to congratulate this group of Americans for taking over the world. Remember the old cartoon “Underdog”? I always think of the evil villain, rubbing his hands together in glee, while he creates some kind of fake distraction for the people of Earth.

  • sachfoxo

    ” Wait he spoke first , I should have last say ” Romney crying after the first question …Obama was poised and answered in a Calm Manor as opposed to Mitt with his trying to Interoupt , Teeth Gritting , Red face , face making , he changed his stance on Vouchers untill Obama brought up , how it would screw up the Medicare system . Romney’s and Lyan Ryan’s Voucher system is a scam . Last night was not a landslide for either Candadate. I am waiting for Bidden and Ryan to Debate That will be a More Interesting one.
    Medicare was Devised in the 30’s for People over 65 who did not have enough money to live and made Not enough a year to survive . It was Made for the People who could not afford to eat , have shelter, Medical needs . WHY are People who have 500,000.00 in stocks and Investments Collecting Medicare , There needs to be a stop put on that , They can afford to be without Medicare ! Depleting our system along with the Medical providers and Hospitals . His point was that if he could stop the ripping off of Medicare by The Medical Profession billions would be saved .
    Greed and not caring about the people who helped you earn your Money. Are these people part of the 47 % who are on medicare ? You redoric won’t fly…..

  • Landsende

    Obama eliminates Bin Laden!
    Romney will eliminate Big Bird!

  • E.W

    That commentator won.

  • Lehrer did a poor job Obama trying not to be the ‘ angry black man ‘ Fox Hannity portrays him to be let Mitt lie without strong comebacks . Mitt lied but very sincerely about everything His & Ryans tax plan , Obama care which he now likes parts of ?
    Mitt Lied about privatizing- voucherizing Medicare-SS , defense cuts, lied about cuts in education, needing more teachers, minimum wage . sending jobs overseas. Mitt lied about Obama’s record.. The Moderator never challenged one lie. No wonder voters are so ill informed.

  • We EARNED our SS thru SS taxes Millions like me paid double SS taxes as self employed Wall St got the Welfare Those 47 % who make less pay loads of other taxes . WE are seniors on small incomes, some who lost pensions, who are sick ,some in nursing homes, many are children , disabled, even Vets . How dare Romney look down from his Ivery Tower and call us victims Mitt has lived a very priviledged life Good for him But that made caused him to look down with disdain at 1/2 of US citizens Many of whom are Mitts base. who live in red states ( Bible belt ) who get many more tax dollars that blue states receive.
    Corps are NOT people Money is NOT speech
    US can not afford another far right Supreme Court judge

  • Some people don’t understand that some time be a little polite is better than be wrought.
    Ronney only show a little respect for the poor gay that the only job was to try that they have respect for each others but like I said some people their don’t what it means that.

  • Henry Decker: You Obozo UNCONDITIONAL; if Romney had done and looked as bad as Obozo did and looked, you would have screamed for all the world to hear that Obozo had won by a landslide. Since it was the other way around, you now say: “The winner: to be decided”.
    You Libs are PATHETIC !!

    • daniel bostdorf

      The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

      We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

  • Jerpell

    Obama stared at his feet all night and still managed to deliver big lies all on his own without his favorite teleprompter!

    • daniel bostdorf

      Romney is the real liar…see above…

  • daniel bostdorf

    I think it is important to understand that it DOES matter when a candidate for President. Mitt Romney, and his running mate, lies, distorts the truth, pushes right wing propaganda on us.

    Particularly when there are blatant lies.
    Article author Decker states: “Biggest Lie: Romney’s New Tax Plan

    “Throughout the debate, Romney went though his standard litany of big lies — that President Obama is raiding $716 billion from Medicare, that President Obama is raising taxes on small businesses, and that tax cuts to the wealthy will stimulate job growth, among many others — but the most egregious was his repeated assertion that he will not cut taxes on the wealthy. Romney promised to “take a different path — not the one we’ve been on, not the one the president describes as a top-down, cut taxes for the rich. That’s not what I’m going to do…..Based on every reliable report on Romney’s tax plan, that statement is flagrantly false. As the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center simply put it: Our major conclusion is that a revenue-neutral individual income tax change that incorporates the features Governor Romney has proposed – including reducing marginal tax rates substantially, eliminating the individual alternative minimum tax (AMT) and maintaining all tax breaks for saving and investment – would provide large tax cuts to high-income households, and increase the tax burdens on middle- and/or lower-income taxpayers.”

    Romney likes to tell the lies and keep them simple and keeps repeating them hoping the masses will believe him. That’s called propaganda.

    We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

    Here’s another example of a ROMNEY LIE on the failure of Obama’s economic policy:
    ROMNEY: “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”
    HERE ARE THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.
    ROMNEY LIED in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

    ANOTHER BALDFACED LIE BY 
ROMNEY: He stated incorrectly that Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
    HERE ARE THE FACTS:
 ROMNEY LIED about the Independent Payment Advisory Board being able to ration care. This is a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.
    EVEN MORE FACTS:
    Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. It simply does NOT HAVE power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe. ROMNEY’S LIES are resurrecting the false demagogue assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing….Sounds like Pailn lie that has been widely debunked. The board has yet to be named. Its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

    In addition, Romney lied about his own position on taxes, education and the outsourcing of jobs.

    Where’s the money in the Caymans? How about the jobs you outsourced to China? And hundreds of other examples of your complete lack of care for the 47%.

    Got you on videotape on that one. That exposed your real intentions.

    Romney lies, lies and lies along with Ryan, and the right wing media, and Rove et al swear to it.

    Propaganda and lies disguised as truth in a national presidential debate.
    Disgusting.

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:
    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
”Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Keep lying to us Mitt and Paul..because you are afraid we will hold you accountable for your flip flops, and etch-a-sketch attitude towards the truth. …

    We don’t want what Romney and Ryan are really selling…LIES…..

    The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

    We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

  • I think Oboma acted stupid and weak,get his stinkin ass outta here

    • old_blu

      Do you mean “stupid” like the way you spell, and put a sentence together?

  • rodeo_man32

    Obama was the grass…and Romney was the Lawn mower

    • daniel bostdorf

      No—Romney was full of gas….and Obama exposed Romney as a fascist ass..

      You fascist folks here that post have every right to be a fascist.

      But behind your fascism is stupidity. Ignorance, a highly uneducated view of the world, no sense of history and a host of other personality traits that are unbecoming of being an informed citizen.

      But you DON”T have the right to impose that stupidity on those of us who ARE educated, well read, have a sense of history, and know truth from lies.

      You see…a famous comic stated:
      “You can’t fix stupid.”

      I agree. “You can’t fix stupid fascist and right wind demagoguery.”

      Unfortunately, the rest of the American people have to put up with it.

      So the majority of people here who post have to put up with you paid fascist Karl Rove right wing propagandists “disinformation campaign operatives” that you are a part of….knowingly, or willingly.

    • Wow, man. That was really brilliant! Did you just think of that? You’re astounding!

  • Mulligatonney

    Oh – hey, Bostrich…

    Basically, all Romney was saying was that we should balance the budget and keep the middle class strong. OBama could not grasp that concept and apparently – neither can you.

    The debt and jobs is what this election comes down to, and OBama has a four-year record during which he has not shown any intent to make the tough decisions necessary to accomplish that.

    Only 6-7 trillion dollars further in the hole, a wagonload of new regulations and restrictions, and people running out of unemployment.

    That would be a tough sell for even an intelligent man – but OBama made it easy for the world to see that, away from his handlers and teleprompters, he can barely put a couple of intelligible sentences together.

    Facism – hmmm… I wonder if you know what that is, really… That is a completely unintelligent remark. Makes one wonder how far you got in school, or who taught you, at the very least. Balancing the budget, reducing government waste, opening up free markets, encouraging small business right here in our own country, cutting spending, drilling for our own oil, individual liberty… that sounds like American founding principles to me.

    Facist? Really? What an ignorant statement…

    …are you receiving some kind of entitlement money and are feeling guilty for not having to do anything to earn it?

    • daniel bostdorf

      You fascist folks here that post have every right to be a fascist.

      But behind your fascism is stupidity. Ignorance, a highly uneducated view of the world, no sense of history and a host of other personality traits that are unbecoming of being an informed citizen.

      But you DON”T have the right to impose that stupidity on those of us who ARE educated, well read, have a sense of history, and know truth from lies.

      You see…a famous comic stated:
      “You can’t fix stupid.”

      I agree. “You can’t fix stupid fascist and right wind demagoguery.”

      Unfortunately, the rest of the American people have to put up with it.

      So the majority of people here who post have to put up with you paid fascist Karl Rove right wing propagandists “disinformation campaign operatives” that you are a part of….knowingly, or willingly.

  • I thought the President lost interest in the debate somewhere in the first ten minutes. His manner changed while listening to the droning sounds coming from an elder-leader high in a bully’s pulpit.

    Happy Anniversary to you and the First Lady.

  • Who won the debates last night? The American people won the debates last night. We had the privilege to see the two people who will lead our nation for the nect four years. Rightly or wrongly, it is the American people who will determine who that individual will be. On a personal level, I saw an individual who was eager for a fight. Romney was aggressive, pugnacious, and feisty. The way he was looking at President Obama appear as if he was saying to himself, “Why isn’t he fighting back?” President Obama was calm, like an older man dealing with a juvenile delinquent, allowing him to vent, bluster, and rail. But, look at those debates again and you will see Romney putting his feet in his mouth. He was saying things that will come back to haunt him in the upcoming debates. We might be saying now that the president let Romney off, that he missed atleast four opportunities to hit Romney hard. But in the next debates, Romney will be asked the same questions, and he won’r be able to say, “Oh, wait, let me take that back!” or “I didn’t say that!” A lot of us put a lot of importance on aggression, confrontation, machismo. Look at how many of us work out to get that ill-formed, muscle-bound look, yelping “Yes! Yeah ba-by! Feel the fuggin’ burn, ba-by!” We think it looks cute to a see a pimple-headed fool surrounded by vein popping mega muscles. Had President Obama walked on that stage slapping Romney around, the R omney camp would have turned him into a bully. The conversation would have been a lot more racial today had that happened. Handling Romney the way he did, only sensible people would appreciate what they saw. We’ll see more of it, and we’ll see more of Romney that we did last night.

  • EAGLEWING007

    I do not agree with your analysis at all – all it shows us is that you are a die hard obama supporter and not an objective journalist. I am a Democrat yet I have a brain that allows me to see when a journalist is indulging in propaganda that is inaccurate to say the least.

    • daniel bostdorf

      You are not a Democrat in any stretch of a black hole reality.

      You fascist folks here that post have every right to be a fascist.

      But behind your fascism is stupidity. Ignorance, a highly uneducated view of the world, no sense of history and a host of other personality traits that are unbecoming of being an informed citizen.

      But you DON”T have the right to impose that stupidity on those of us who ARE educated, well read, have a sense of history, and know truth from lies.

      You see…a famous comic stated:
      “You can’t fix stupid.”

      I agree. “You can’t fix stupid fascist and right wind demagoguery.”

      Unfortunately, the rest of the American people have to put up with it.

      So the majority of people here who post have to put up with you paid fascist Karl Rove right wing propagandists “disinformation campaign operatives” that you are a part of….knowingly, or willingly.

  • daniel bostdorf

    You folks here defending Romney simply don;t get it do you?
    The article is about who won, lost or does it really matter.

    Not me or anything else.

    I agree with Robert….
    The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

    We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

    Now we see you Karl Rove operatives simply unable to ….as Jack Nicholson stated:
    “You can’t handle the truth.”

    Romney is a liar. He is a fascist.

    The American people won.

    Before “Mulligatonney” the guy who hides behind a fake name, and his sisters and brothers post here again…

    Go to the library. If you know how to read.

    Read the 13 volumes of Will and Ariel Durant’s “The History of Civilization.”

    Go read the “Rise and Fall of The Third Reich.”

    Then….after you do this…You have every right to post here.

    Otherwise…
    You are all right wing fascist “brown shirt/red state” Romney apologizing propagandists and probably paid by Karl Rove to post here with your fake names. Koch Brothers paying for your services

    It’s called: “a disinformation campaign” invented in 1939 by the Nazis.
    Definition of DISINFORMATION
    1) false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth.

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
”Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Getting back to the point of the article:

    The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

    We saw and listened to a fascist, his name is Mitt Romney, running for president.

  • twitroman365

    Three things I congratulate Mitt Romney for:
    1)
    Not having an electronic device attached to his back and belt to dictate him what to say like his fellow republican candidate did when he was faced with the Republican party’s biggest shortcoming: Lack of compassion and substance for people in general.

    2)
    Having the audacity to lie with eloquence.

    3)
    Being the head of the racist religion which labeled blacks as CURSED BY GOD.

    • daniel bostdorf

      He also wears sacred underwear that is a thin, off-white garment of some sort of synthetic fabric, usually silk actually, with a few small embroidered designs, probably the number 666, and several large holes.

      Oh by the way….was he lying eloquently or did he have a lack of elegant speech?

      Just saying 🙂

      Getting back to the point of the article:

      The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.
      We saw and listened to a fascist, his name is Mitt Romney, and he is running for president.

  • A debate is nothing but words, there is nothing in place to say what anyone will do what’s spoken. If people who have everthing to lose don’t vote for Obama, consider yourself living under a bridge or on the streets. Be smart people, Pres. Obama is doing all he can to help everyone!

    • daniel bostdorf

      He certainly is along with Hillary Clinton and his administration.

      The absolute MESS the “Bush Jnunior league” and halliburton Cheney years inflicted upon the USA is going to take even more time than Obama’s re-election.

      Fortunately, Hillary is in the wings for another 8 years.

      Getting back to the point of the article:

      The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.
      We saw and listened to a fascist, his name is Mitt Romney, and he is running for president.

  • I agree with Donna,I really felt sorry for the moderator. Sure reminded me of a bully, you know the kind. The faster and louder I talk,the more right I am. I couldnt even watch all the time,Mr Romney made me so mad.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Should you not reply to Donna rather than a general post?

      Who is Donna?

  • Gammaanya

    Would you keep aggressive pit bull that bites others but not his masters. It was Romney at work- he even bit the moderator. Imagine him at diplomatic meetings involving world peace??? As I said before, USA was bought for 395M+. Be ready for life under bridge moochers. LOL

  • One truth Romney said and the “I have no plan!” Why do you think he refuses to outline a clear plan? He knows that if he tells the truth even clowns like you wouldn’t vote for him. “If” he is elected, he and his billionaire friends will bring jobs back to America, but we, Americans, will not be paid the same comfortable wages we were accustomed to before Bush/Cheney destroyed the American economy and borrowed 8 trillion dollars from the Chinese, the communists you fools like to talk about. When Romney/Ryan bring those jobs back, you or me will get paid lower wages, and we will not have food stamps or “welfare to fall on because those safety nets will be gone as well. I love it when I hear peons talk like their masters. When you get the shaft, you’ll take it quietly the way you did when Bush/Cheney were screwing you and you didn’t say a mumbling word. That’s why Romney feels he could lie so blatantly and arrogantly, because there are idiots like you who could take a good stiff kicking and keep on ticking.

  • vcbruno2

    He Kills without discretion. American and international. Secrets not told about releasing prisoners back to the regular population. Puts people in power without due process from congress or the Senate. Do you want me to go on???

  • Mulligatonney

    Well, Bostrich… for someone who is educated and well read with a real sense of history – and oh, yes – knowing the truth from lies, no doubt because you are so educated, well read and historical…
    you seem to be unable to respond to even a simple question, even though you were asked it three times. Possibly you could debate Romney with such a command of the facts and do at least as well as the stammering, bewildered OBama – don’t worry – as long as you feel sophisticated and superior, that should carry you through. Look how well it worked for your messiah.

    I could not possibly aspire to your well read, educated and sophisticated name calling – names such as stupid, ignorant, uneducated, FACIST, propagandist – with my own name calling – that is way too sophisticated and intelligent for one so stupid and backward as I, so I’ll let you “progressives” indulge yourselves in your marvelous intelligence and superiority as evidenced by how often you jerk each other off in your efforts to reassure each other how smart you are.

    I’m just an ignorant guy who doesn’t understand why you can’t answer a simple question about the 6 – 7 trillion dollars of debt your pimp has accumulated while simultaneously sodomizing you and stealing the Constitution from your children.

  • ridemybroom

    Mitt Romney won…face it people…he won it by lying to the people…i even notices some of it was lies…what a sack of s___ he is…he cant even do the math of whats 20 % that equals 5 trillion….is this man stupid or what…maybe a moron at best…i know i wouldnt vote for this scoundrel…tax evade and sect religion…sounds like a militia man to me or perhaps a loner who doesnt like to pay his own taxes and once this election is over i hope the Feds investigate him and runs his behind back to old mexico where he blongs with the rest of the cartel…..

  • Jmstop

    You libs cant spin your way out of this debate. The fact is Romney is smarter, and worked harder than Obama to be prepared. And that is the crux of this election. Obama is not a hard worker, he is not up nor has been up to the task of working on issues he clearly does not understand. When faced with a opponent who has substance, Obama the empty suit, was clearly contrasted. Now America, clearly has some hope for change.

  • To National Memo, it is very obvious you are trying to help Obama’s cause. I would expect something independently analyzing issues. Romney may have his missteps but he did speak out about Obama’s mistakes. We, as voters do not like what he did in bailing out Big Banks, Giant Auto companies, other financial institutions instead of using some of those Billions in saving the poor homeowners who had no jobs and no homes because they could not pay the monthly dues. We would have kissed his footprints had he done that. He would not have to defend his record, he would have helped us ‘homeless people’ with medical insurance but not jobs and no homes, no roof over our heads.

  • Mitt Romney had no facts but cleverly worded sound bites.

  • Well Sa Massa Romney, yall show nuff showed him a trick or two. I’s never seent any man speak so well without saying anything dat came close to the truth. You show is somthin. You made masa Rush proud. Now you can start packing for the White House, or will you be using it for a summer home. Look, I knows dat yous gone take good care of us po folks cause your mammay and pappy uset to own some of us and they taught you mom and dad how to treat us coloreds. I’s can’t wait till you take over: No more of dese bortions. We all should be like masa Rush and learn how to be married four times and not have chilins. and he did it without them pills cause I knows masa Rush ain’t married no sluts. I’s so glad dat in just a few months you can bring all ya money home from over dem seas, but masa could you wait till day three cause you gone be real busy on day one. Making sshow that 35 million people no long have health insurence and dat women can’t abort dhem unwanted voters and inmates. You can use day two to get us back to the good ole days when us colloreds had our own schools. Masa, some of us coloreds still loves you cause you hates dem gays and you hates dem bortions, just like god told you to. Some of our mimisters still teach us the right way ever Sunday, cause dey seem to love you very, very much. god bless you masa Romney.
    Love your best friend,
    Say Ten

  • ALLLLAMERICAN

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  • daniel bostdorf

    You folks here defending Romney simply don;t get it do you?
    The article is about who won, lost or does it really matter.

    Not me or anything else.

    I agree with Robert….
    The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

    We saw and listened to a fascist running for president.

    Now we see you Karl Rove operatives simply unable to ….as Jack Nicholson stated:
    “You can’t handle the truth.”

    Romney is a liar. He is a fascist.

    The American people won.

    Before “Mulligatonney” the guy who hides behind a fake name, and his sisters and brothers post here again…

    Go to the library. If you know how to read.

    Read the 13 volumes of Will and Ariel Durant’s “The History of Civilization.”

    Go read the “Rise and Fall of The Third Reich.”

    Then….after you do this…You have every right to post here.

    Otherwise…
    You are all right wing fascist “brown shirt/red state” Romney apologizing propagandists and probably paid by Karl Rove to post here with your fake names. Koch Brothers paying for your services

    It’s called: “a disinformation campaign” invented in 1939 by the Nazis.
    Definition of DISINFORMATION
    1) false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth.

    Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said it best:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” (likeFox FAUX News, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove believe)

    or as Adolph Hitler stated:
”Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”

    Getting back to the point of the article:

    The American people won last night because we finally got to see who Romney really is.

    We saw and listened to a fascist, his name is Mitt Romney, running for president.

  • Well, Mitt Romney can lie all he wants, but the lies ring loudly as lies to those who are informed. Lamentably, most of the American populace is ill-informed, but Blogs like this offer a forum to share information that otherwise would not be made available. On the question of not knowing about tax breaks for exporting business overseas… Mitt Romney is a DAMN LIAR! There is something called the IC-DISC TAX BENEFIT {i.e., the “Interest Charge Domestic International Sales Corporation”}, is an export tax benefit well-known to accountants and tax specialists, founded in 1972, that even got the support of the SBEA {the international trade arm of the National Small Business Association}, a benefit designed for smaller companies that is easily set-up and can save thousands of dollars annually. The only safe harbor export tax benefit available offering small exporters with annual sales between $100,000 and $300,000,000 an opportunity to receive dividends taxed at 15%. Mitt Romney most certainly knows about this IC-DISC Tax Benefit, and if he doesn’t… he really isn’t the businessman he claims to be. He has been faking and shamming! Consider Bernie Madoff!!! If 12 years of Romney’s taxes were examined… who knows what kind of scandal will be uncovered??? At the very least, you will find that he has been taking full advantage of the IC-DISC Tax Benefit mentioned above. Google this benefit and you will see that it covers businesses up to $300,000,000 annual income. This could explain why Romney has a number businesses and offshore investments, to comply with that revenue range. To show just how selfish and vicious Romney is, he would rather lie as to his knowledge of such opportunities, instead of sharing this knowledge with a populace, that is suffering under theweight of the financial mis-deeds of his republican buddies over the past 10 years or so. If Mitt Romney becomes President of the USA, not only will he not bring down the National Debt, but the debt will most likely double during his tenure… He is just entirely too arrogant, too greedy, too stupid, and too much of a patsy for the Koch brothers {the builders of Hitler’s War Machine}, Sheldon Adelson, and Benjamin Netanyahu, to avoid entering into another war. If we get involved in another war… we will lose… Big time! America will be like a wounded lion surrounded by jackals and hyenas on the plains of Kenya. She dare not stop to lick her wounds, nor to go to sleep. The jackals will harrass her until she expires from exhaustion, and then pick her bones. The Muslim nations must be encouraged to settle their own affairs among each other, and Israel must find a diplomatic solution while such a solution is still possible. The fact that we have a nuclear arsenal means nothing… This is not nuclear war. It is a war of economy that requires reason. Every other nuclear power is strong and flush with capital while we are bankrupt. They need only call in their debt and take our land away. They don’t need to deploy nukes. So all of the back-woods, ignorant, T-Party supporters who actually believe the nukes mean something, are in for a rude awakening. Mitt Romney is woefully unprepared for this kind of world. He will lead us to ruin and slaughter.

  • Romney was a clown on the stage. He was rude, he was over animated..heck perhaps he was on some sort of energy drink or pills. Debates are not about who gives the best loud and physical performance!! It’s about the ANSWERS! Romney was so energized it was actually difficult to decipher what he was actually saying. A debate winner shouldn’t be decided on the energy of the debaters..(especially if they act like the energizer bunny!) but on the precise answers…that should be given in a way that is understandable without pretend performances! Had it been a REAL debate with rules of proper decorum…Romney would have been penalized for interrupting and rudensess and going beyond the alloted time allowed to answer…NOT TO MENTION his rudeness to the moderator! His “performance” was deplorable to anyone who participated in a REAL debate!

  • RURIGHT

    Let’s see. A year or so ago the DNC came out with a word to use over and over for the GOP! That word is “Extremist” Let’s see now…A party (GOP) that believes in the Founding principles that made America great the US Constitution are Extremist. While those who believe in European Socialism Values over American Values are labeled patriots? Are you people on the left so stupid that you don’t even know what these Progressives are up to? Compare the DNC Platform to the CPUSA.ORG Platform and see who the real Extremist is? The DNC and Communist Party USA’s Platform are identical! Investigate for yourselves.

  • RURIGHT

    The DNC and Communist Party USA’s Platform are identical! Investigate for yourselves.

  • RURIGHT

    Idiots here get their information from propagandist and the Leftwing anti-American idiots here believe them!

  • RURIGHT

    Good by you racist President!