By Cynthia Tucker

The GOP’s Mean-Spirited Hostility Towards Food Stamps

September 14, 2013 12:00 am Category: Memo Pad, Politics 235 Comments A+ / A-
The GOP’s Mean-Spirited Hostility Towards Food Stamps

For decades now, the Republican Party has been honing its reputation for hostility toward the downtrodden, the poor, the disadvantaged. While a few of its leaders have tried to either shed that image or to dress it up with a more appealing facade — think George W. Bush’s “compassionate conservatism” — lately the GOP has been enthusiastically embracing its inner Ebenezer Scrooge.

Consider its all-out assault on one of the government’s most venerable programs to assist the most vulnerable, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, usually known as “food stamps.” Last month, the GOP-dominated House passed an agriculture bill that omitted funding for the food stamp program — partly because the Republican caucus disagreed over whether cuts to the program should be merely harsh or extremely severe. Congressional conservatives have said they also want to include a work requirement and mandatory drug tests for beneficiaries.

Not so long ago, hardliners sought to cloak this sort of cruelty in the language of the greater good: the need to reduce government spending. But last month’s bill didn’t even attempt that pretense: It included billions in agricultural subsidies for wealthy farming interests, including some Republican members of Congress. It was the first time since 1973 that the House of Representatives omitted the food stamp program from the farm bill.

“It sounds to me like we’re in a downright mean time,” said Bill Bolling, founder and executive director of the Atlanta Community Food Bank, which procured and distributed 45 million pounds of donated food and groceries in the last year. He said that his agency has doubled its distribution over the last four years, since the Great Recession devastated household incomes.

The profile of his client base has changed, too, over the last four years, he said. About 20 percent of beneficiaries report that this is the first time they’ve ever asked for assistance from government or charitable programs. Among them are people who once belonged to the secure middle class; some were formerly donors or volunteers at the food bank.

Moreover, Bolling said, about half the people who seek food assistance have jobs.

“They’re keeping their part of the social contract. They are getting up every day and going to a job, maybe two jobs. If a man gets up and goes to work every day, I don’t care what his job is, he ought to be able to feed his family,” he said.

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  • Lynda Groom

    Why do they have such a problem assuring people have help in obtaining food? These are hard times for far too many of fellow citizens and helping them get a little food should be the least our society provides. Shame on them and their ilk.

    • Daniel Jones

      They figure if the poorest die off, it will improve the lot of the survivors.

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        • Russell Byrd

          We really wish you would “blow away,” and take your SPAM with you. . . .

  • centerroad

    “mean spirited” “Scrooge”

    Fully armed corporate fascists are holding hostages and dismantling democracy in real time and that’s all you’ve got to say.

    Go have some wine and cheese, the revolution is over and your side lost.

  • clarenceswinney

    Unreal–Loaves and Fishes–a charity for the poor supported by donations has been closed.–It had locations in poor districts–180 churches could not support it?
    Burlington NC

    • charleo1

      This demonstrates the fallacy of the stingy Right Wing, I’ve got mine,
      crowd. Always spouting about how these, “things,” should be left to charity.
      The reality is, the vast majority on the Right, know better. And secondly
      could not care less. Which they will deny. And that becomes the second
      lie to cover up the first one.

  • tax payer

    If people don’t want to feed their children out of their own pockets they need to not breed them anymore. We had three children and didn’t have to ask for help to feed them, so why can’t others do the same thing? They follow the examples of their parents that did the same thing, so it’s a cycle that ne ver ends.

    • highpckts

      Oh my God, I wish I was so lucky and smart and so sympathetic to my fellow man!! As far as I’m concerned, you are no better than the top 1%!!!

      • tax payer

        If you help people all the time they will always expect help and won’t try to improve their life. I feel sorry for someone I see that isn’t able to walk or hold anything in their hand, so those I feel need the most help and not those that have two feet, and two hands, but refuse to work for fear of getting old too soon.

        • LotusJoan

          Did you even read the article? Have you done any kind of critical thinking about what you post? The primary recipients of SNAP are children and the disabled. Of the able bodied who receive food stamps the over whelming majority work.
          Why you would blame them for the loss of manufacturing jobs or any jobs that would pay a sustainable wage is beyond me. We went through an economic crisis and you want to blame the victims!
          If you are against the federal government helping why are you not against subsidies, particularly for otherwise very profitable industries and people. Your thinking goes beyond the inability to connect the cart and the horse, using your thinking, the barn door cannot even be found.

          • tax payer

            I am for the tax payers ( not the Government ) to help, but not as a Lifetime help.since the money belongs to the tax payers. Sure, give them a hand, but a Lifetime of help makes no sense unless these people are never going to be able to work anymore. Social Security Disability comes in, when someone is unable to work unless they were born with a Disability since day one.

          • LotusJoan

            “About 20 percent of beneficiaries report that this is the first time they’ve ever asked for assistance from government or charitable programs. Among them are people who once belonged to the secure middle class; some were formerly donors or volunteers at the food bank.

            Moreover, Bolling said, about half the people who seek food assistance have jobs.”

            As I said you did not read the article, or your reading comprehension is not that great. The private resources are just not available to meet the need. Part of that is becuase people like Mitt Romney are not that generous (as a % to total wealth) with their donations to things like food banks.

          • tax payer

            I read it, but it states 20% are people that are asking for help for the ( first time ), but the other 80% are still asking for help and will continue asking until the day they stop Breathing.

        • Dominick Vila

          I think we all agree that there is fraud in the food stamp program, and indefinite welfare is bound to turn people into complacent recipients unwilling to make an effort to better themselves, but the overwhelming number of welfare and food stamp recipients are people who have minimum wage jobs or who are unable to find work for a variety of reasons.
          What needs to happen, besides a greater focus on greater remuneration and benefits for those at the bottom of the pay scale, is to improve what is left of welfare and more stringent scrutiny before food stamps are given.

          • angelsinca

            “What needs to happen, besides a greater focus on greater remuneration and benefits for those at the bottom of the pay scale, is to improve what is left of welfare and more stringent scrutiny before food stamps are given.”
            Oddly, this is EXACTLY what the GOP is proposing with the Nutrition Reform and Work Opportunity Act, In a memo distributed to House Republicans on Friday (9/13/2013), Cantor said the (food stamp funding) bill “restores the intent of the bipartisan welfare reforms adopted in 1996 by ensuring that work requirements for able-bodied adults without children are enforced—not waived—and eliminates loopholes exploited over the last few years to avoid the program’s income and asset tests” .

          • Sand_Cat

            Yes, it would be odd if the GOP proposed anything that might actually help people based on understanding of their problems, and even more odd if you supported such a measure.

          • angelsinca

            Clever play on words. But, I’m afraid you remain irrelevant, if not mostly annoying and usually unpleasant.

            Maybe you and Russell Byrd and Fern the Wood can gather and draw straws. Then you can have fun wondering why they are all short ones.

          • Sand_Cat

            Once again, the pot calls the kettle black. You’re quite adept at avoiding the issues, but seem to think yourself quite relevant.

          • angelsinca

            You’re repeating yourself with racist analogy, but actually got the issue avoidance part close. At the moment, you are the issue. Bye.

        • dpaano

          You, sir, are a selfish bastard! What a load of BS! You have NO compassion for your fellow man, and that’s a sad thing! This is what our country has come to, and I am ashamed of people like you. I can thank God that not everyone thinks like you do! Get a life!

          • tax payer

            I am sorry you feel we have to feed your family because only someone that is being helped would be mad, if there are others that wish for you to help yourself. I am a tax payer and I want my tax money to go for something positive and not for people that don’t know how to keep it inside their zipper. Satan is 100% with me. Our country has come to having a President that feels he can do what he wants and won’t care what you and I think. I have Compassion for those that don’t beg from us, so are you one of them or one of the Beggers?

          • dpaano

            Again, you are an ass! Both my husband and I work full-time jobs, own a home, have no children, and have no major debts other than our mortgage. However, I could NEVER let people or children go hungry because of hard times. We have food to eat, but we don’t begrudge those who aren’t as lucky. There for the grace of God would go my husband and I if either one of us lost our jobs or had a serious medical setback. We consider ourselves lucky to have what we have, but there are many out there that have suffered greatly these past few years due to the economic downturn (and we know who caused that, right?). I have friends with college degrees (Masters, etc.) who are working at menial jobs, making much less than they were before they were laid off, and it’s hard as heck for them to pay their house payment (and they don’t own big mansions either), pay their car payments (no, not on BMW’s or Mercedes’), pay their utilities, and keep food on the tables for their children (who were there BEFORE all this bad luck occurred). We help them as best we can with whatever we can do. This is what NOT being selfish means and what a true Christian does for their fellow men and women. I guess that’s a little difficult for you to see or understand with your narrow-minded attitude. I feel very sorry for you…..

          • tax payer

            I hope you feel much better after that Speech. I am not Rich, so I don’t know how it feels to be Rich. All I know is we eat because I worked many years and retired with two Pensions. I see others living as, if they also worked many years of their life and they are only about 25 years of age, so they don’t know what work is since they live off the tax payers. You seem to think I am against people that lost their jobs from being help, but I am referring about those that never work and know the Government ( tax payers ) will be there first for them, and not for the tax payers that pay with their tax money. I don’t feel sorry for myself since I know people can do better, but why try, when the tax payers will foot the Bill.

          • dpaano

            Apparently you have not researched the number of people who get food stamps and other monies…..the highest percentage are those who were laid off jobs, are disabled, are senior citizens on limited budgets, are working in jobs that pay minimum wage, etc. Yes, I realize there are SOME people who will try to “punk” the system, but in this economy, it’s a very low percentage (at least in California is has been shown that to be true). As for being rich, no, my husband and I are not rich. We make enough to keep us going each month and put a couple of dollars in a savings account occasionally, but we’re certainly not rich by ANY standard. As I said, if one of us lost our job…..we’d be in bad shape. We’re just luckier than most because we both have stable jobs, but with the economy the way it is….that could change overnight. No one is safe, and if you have children that need to be fed and you don’t have a job that pays you enough to accomplish that, plus pay your rent, your gas to get to and from that crappy job, and car payment or car repairs, then you should be glad that there’s somewhere you can turn until your luck changes! To put the blame on EVERYONE who is on food stamps for the sins of a few slackers is ludicrous! Sorry, I still think you’re an uncaring, selfish ass!

          • tax payer

            I never mentioned you are rich, but only that I don’t know how it feels to be Rich. I am a senior citizen too, so why didn’t these so called senior citizens ( you are referring about ) prepare themselves for the future? If they worked a lifetime surely they should have SS or another retirement. Why are they not able to make it since I did it, so what happen to them? You have been working for 45 years and you say you were in the service, so don’t you get a Pension from them after 20 years of service? You say you have no bills, so what is stopping you from leaving the workforce? My wife never had to go out and work because I didn’t want someone else taking care of our children, when they were babies. We made it with my income because I was taught how to Budget and buy only what we needed, and nothing else. You mentioned you only have one debt a ( Mortgage ), so why not retire, if you are 62 or older? If you started working at age 18 you should be 63 by now and could have retired as of last year. An assumption on my part. Have a nice day and feed the birds in your back yard once in awhile.

          • dpaano

            First of all, I don’t have birds in my backyard unfortunately. Birds are scarce in So. California. Yes, I could retire if I desired; however, I don’t wish to retire. I have a no-pressure job that pays fairly well and has great benefits. I don’t plan on applying for my SS until age 70 (3 years from now) to maximize the amount. Our mortgage is extremely high, so we need BOTH paychecks for a while (once I file for SS, that amount will go towards paying down our mortgage). I DO budget and have done this for years. As for preparing for retirement….unfortunately, 401(k)’s didn’t come along until the 1970’s, and because I did not have stable jobs from that period until about 7 years ago, I was not able to save much. At present, I put in 14% of my salary. The last reason for my not retiring is because my husband is 15 years younger than I am (yes, I’m the “original” cougar-LOL), and I would have nothing to do but sit around the house all day while he works. As long as I have a decent job and they still want me around, I will stick it out until I can no longer do it. I love my job, and as long as I’m healthy enough to continue, I will do so.

          • tax payer

            All I want is for people to know ( tax money may run out one day ) and who will take care of their needs, if the Government won’t be there for them anymore. I don’t sit home all day because I take my wife shopping and she loves to go to Flea Markets on the weekends. I hate them, but you have to please your love one daily. By the way she is15 years younger, so we are the opposite with our spouses. I have grown children and they still live with us since we have a large home, and would have three empty bedrooms. I’ll stop thinking of who gets what from the tax payers and just live my last years in Peace. You have awaken me and I no longer will be against those that need help anymore.

    • oldtack

      Good God Taxpayer! do you mean you and your whatever actually brought forth three more somethings into this world cloned in your image?

      • tax payer

        Well, if you meant to say three that will never depend on the tax payers ( you are correct ), so be glad they won’t be begging for handouts from you and the rest of the tax payers.

        • disqus_9i6pUJ4xMT

          tax payer how much you make an month, either you have a good paying job or you are doing something illegal. Working poor of minimal wage cannot support a family, with shelter, food, utilities, clothing. They have to decides shelter, food, utilities or clothing. What would you do? They relies on food stamps, food panties just to survive. So step back and look. I am glad you do not have to asked for help, but if something comes up, you lose your job or you a major medical problem which you can’t work, you would be happy to get some government help.

          • tax payer

            If I was working right now I would be earning slightly more than $4,000.00 a month ( with only a High School Diploma ), but I retired in 2001. I am not bragging because you asked me about my pay. Right now I am watching Alabama beating the Aggies and they are on their way for another score. They have just scored again. Oh, by the way Go Longhorns!

          • countrygirl59

            Do you have any idea how fortunate you are to have been untouched by what has gone down in this country since Ronald Reagan & H.W. Bush were in office? ~ My husband was making a nice income, too, but things started going down hill and our business took a hit, so he took on an extra job, and then another extra job, while I was trying to keep our business afloat. ~ This man was literally working, sleeping & eating ~ Do you have any idea how that affected our three children (who were in jr. high and high school at the time)? ~ They were seeing farm kids driving new vehicles because daddy got his check from the government, and probably more so when they had “bad” years. ~ It got to be said around here that when the farmer’s have a bad year, the truck dealerships do REAL well! ~ I don’t mean to just pick on them (also realizing that a lot of the smaller guys went under, if you were a big farmer you did well), but the beat goes on as far as subsidizing wealthy businesses and corporations as well. ~ Nobody was standing there with a check for us and we didn’t ask for it! ~ And then there was George & Dick! ~ Let’s lower the tax rates for the wealthy and don’t you dare close any of those tax “loop-holes” that only the wealthy can use to hold onto more of their money, and we were involved in not one, but two wars ~ Gee, I wonder why during Obama’s time we spending soooo much money? ~ Could it have been because we were providing welfare for the wealthy, via our taxation system, and they left the next incumbent in the White House to clean up after them???

            You were blessed to be able to continue to make a good living so don’t you dare, speak against those of us that lost our way of making a living ~ We have been blessed in many other ways that money can’t buy! ~~~ It is actually VERY SAD that those that are so sick that no matter how much wealth and/or power they accrue they will never be happy!

          • tax payer

            I don’t talk about those that have lost their jobs. I talk about those that don’t want to work, so that doesn’t include you or your husband.

    • Earlene Walker

      May come as a big surprise to you “tax payer”, but we poor “white”(like race should ever make a difference)…PAY our TAXES too. Happy you can take care of your three children without any assistance, but not all the world is that lucky. Oh I know you think you earned your way, well some of the rest of us have degrees also…but we have found ourselves on the outs. So Judges Not (anyone, anywhere in this world) that You Be NOT Judged by the only man able to do that.

      • BillP

        Earlene I was going to reply to tax payer but couldn’t improve on your response. The right wingers seem to forget that the poor include working poor – especially those earning minimum wage.

      • tax payer

        I know people that have those so called Degrees and they lost their jobs too, but still manage to find one that paid less, but are quite happy bringing in the Bread until something better comes their way. They could have given up and asked for help, but they were taught do for yourself, and feel good about doing it.

    • Peoples425

      Your perspective is shared by those who have been clouded by the simple fact that regardless of how hard you work, life inevitably happens. This very same argument is the one used by the top 1% that have done (proven) very little work to get the almost insurmountable wealth they have accumulated.
      What proves this fact even more is that you have descendants of slaves who have worked and accumulated wealth, but yet have had their lives destroyed by those who would like to see them stay less than what they can be.
      The fact remains that even if you are to follow an example of what your parents have done, it does not mean that circumstances are going to remain the same and therefore I’m certain that at one point or another, someone will need to ask for help or receive help even without asking for it.

      • tax payer

        You are correct, but many people save money for a rainy day, so that way they can have something to live on, if they happen to lose their job or have to wait for their SSD to kick in since ( you have to wait five months ) to receive your money from Social Security, if they aren’t able to work anymore because of an illness or injury.

        • Peoples425

          AH….. Therein lies the problem. If you are working for minimum wage or two and three jobs and are having trouble making ends meet, there becomes a problem with saving. Now I know that there are some that do not know how to properly save and/or apply their finances appropriately, but even with prioritization, there are those whose jobs and finances don’t equate and just sustaining becomes living outside of one’s means. This is the argument that many with the perspective you have outlined very often forget. It is this very reason that many who work (sometimes without break and without fear of getting old) fear getting sick or having an accident because that income is the only survival tool they possess and because of this, it is crucial that this particular method demonizing those that work and seek assistance to get to a higher socioeconomic bracket should be reevaluated.

          • LotusJoan

            Thank you. So many of the people born prior to the 60’s have no appreciation for the fact that it is now a different world. In taxpayer’s time it was possible to earn a sustainable living
            with no education. He claims that he realizes that those, even with degrees now have to take the jobs that are available and then blame them for taking the job that still will not put food on the table for their family. He is proof of the article’s assertion about mean spiritness.

          • Peoples425

            You’re welcome. The problem with those similar to tax payer is that they overgeneralize the situation and think locally and not understanding the full weight of the perspective that they hold. There are those who are “conservative” and believe in compassion and assistance as well as liberals who may not have as much compassion and/or empathy. It is fairly easy to generalize one particular group, but it provides much more productive discourse and progress if we are to listen to one another and understand our differences as well as our similarities, it is then that we can make true change.

            It is yet to be referenced the studies that have shown that economically speaking, this particular generation is probably the first in a long time to NOT do better than the previous because of the ways that capitalism and greed have severely shortchanged socioeconomic growth for the majority of the country. It is in this that has caused the biggest rift between rich and poor and why so many are fed up with the practices of the ultra-right.

          • countrygirl59

            Very well said!

          • tax payer

            Social Security is there because of all the years employees pays into it, so it’s not a Welfare. SSD is the same, if you have worked and become disabled you will get a monthly check. SSI on the other hand is difference because it’s given to the disabled that don’t get enough from SS. It’s not a Help, but money that is owed to you for working most of your life.

          • Peoples425

            Social Security is there for those that have worked, but after that time they have worked, they are receiving assistance to sustain their lifestyle because they have reached a certain age.
            As far as Disability goes, this argument can be made a couple different ways. Someone who has worked and become injured on the job (Slightly controlled environment), off the job (Uncontrolled environment) or born with a disability (Uncontrolled). In only one of the cases can it be considered associated with work, but in all cases they are receiving some sort of assistance or income that they are not currently working for in order to sustain their life and therefore fulfill the characteristics that the ultra right characterize.

        • jmprint

          TAX PAYER, times are harder than you think. In 1979 I was making $7.85 an hour that is 34 years ago. At that time I was a single mother. I was able to afford an apartment, a car, utilities and expenses, not much more. The point is: 34 years later the cost of living has grown by what percentage would you say? And what is the minimum wage now? Most jobs available are at minimum wage up to $10.00. What do you expect the human race to do. If you don’t like food stamp programs then vote for the right people so the minimum wage goes up.

    • jmprint

      Have you ever heard of the word; CIRCUMSTANCES?

      • angelsinca

        Instead of shoring up the economy with policy that will allow people the opportunity to work, this Obama government instead has promoted food stamps use to cover up its inablilty to improve the economy. Meanwhile, the president takes $100M vacations and the schools are throwing away the Michelle-mandated food that kids won’t eat. Hell, maybe we should feed terrorists so no one goes hungry…oh wait.

        • jmprint

          All while the republicans fight for one purpose. To keep the 1%’s recovery at non stop advantage. And why bother to make a comment on terrorists, it still doesn’t feed our poor. Why don’t we stay on realistic focus.

          • angelsinca

            “And why bother to make a comment on terrorists, …”

            Becuase the money you accuse Republicans of sheltering for the rich is being funneled to support non-domestic interests. The worn out GOP-shelters-the-1% chant really ought to include the new wave of Obama cronyism. The whole picture, man, the whole picture.

          • jmprint

            You pretend that President Obama is the only president ever to support other countries. Read your history. And yes, when a bill is passed and your farm buddies along with Monsato receive millions of dollars for not having crops while you take away funds from a program that feed the less fortunate then no it is not a lie. You are in denial, you comfort zone keeps you blind to reality. Yes there is corruption in every program, not just with the poor, but with the rich. We should try to fix those problems not eliminate help where help is needed. This world doesn’t operate only with rich corporation.

          • angelsinca

            No pretense no denial. Check your own facts and history before tossing personal accusations that aren’t true. After closely following the middle east situation since 1967 when the Suez was the backdrop for the Egypt-Israel conflict, this is the first president I’ve seen to single handedly cause the area to explode in multi national violence. For 30 years, there was peace. And then Barry gave his Cairo speech.

            I don’t have any ‘farm buddies’, except for my wife’s father that farms 160 acres of corn and wheat in southeastern Colorado. Farm susbsidies have been around a long long time. Monsanto has realized a lot more than just millions of that assistance. Get your facts straight.

            The poor need jobs, not hand outs. With workforce participation at an historic low since WW2, and the government still operating on a near-trillion dollar annual deficit, and the workforce transformed into part timers, we’ve ALL become less-fortunates.

          • jmprint

            Talk about denial, the Bush Cheney war had nothing at all with uprisings, and peace over the last 30 years, really no pretense.
            hmmmm! I know the poor need jobs thats why congress NEEDS to work and bring those oversees jobs back home.

          • angelsinca

            Changing the subject doesn’t lessen the damaging influences by this administration to the present middle east or the us economy. Those ‘overseas jobs’ aren’t coming back, not while it’s cheaper and freindlier to operate there.

    • darkagesbegin

      let me tell you something, you jackass. My father was disabled in WWII and was not able to work, but it was due to mental incapacity and in those days, he did not receive a pension or disability because they were not enlightened enough to grant pensions to veterans suffering mental problems. So not everyone is able to take care of their own, due to no fault of their own. And if it hadn’t been for social programs I might be a homeless person needing assistance instead of a self-supporting taxpayer. And if it hadn’t been for social security, Paul Ryan might have been a homeless person instead of a congressman trying to cut the programs that helped him get where he is today.

      so get your head out of your ass and thank your lucky stars that you are able to be the jackass you are, instead of a homeless person or one who needs foodstamps. And wait till all those republicans kick all the crutches out from the American people then enslave them into serfdom

      • tax payer

        My father was killed, so don’t tell me a sad story because I also have one, but won’t tell many people. At age one ( my age ) he was killed, so he left two sons, one daughter on the way and one unhappy wife. I couldn’t attend college because I had to work straight out of High School, so I had to find good paying jobs and believe me they are out there. At least you had your father, but I don’t even remember my father since I was too young to remember him.

  • CPAinNewYork

    Despite the abuses of the food stamp program, it does provide a measure of relief to those who genuinely need it.

    The Republicans must be complimented for defining the chasm that exists between the rich and the poor/middle class. Class warfare has been declared by the rich and they don’t appear to be inclined to give any quarter. Consequently, the battle for control of the United States will become increasingly vicious.

    It’s hard to predict how it will end. Will it produce a 1984-like country in which a totalitarian elite crushes the underclass or will it produce a revolution similar to France’s, which resulted in a bloody orgy of murders on the guillotine?

  • Jose Trevino Sr.

    POWER ELITES!!

  • clarenceswinney

    Loves and Fishes closed. Underfunded. It had several locations in Alamance Co NC to feed the truly needed
    We have 180 churches and many millionaires.
    What would ChrIst say?

    • Sand_Cat

      No one would hear it except the NSA. They’d have him bundled off to a secret location to protect him from his “followers.”

  • charleo1

    I saw a video the other day, taken in what was obviously one of these third world,
    markets scenes. Where venders display their wares on either side of a busy city
    street. Suddenly this little girl that looked to be no more than three years old, ran
    into the street, and was immediately struck by a car. The car did not stop, the
    camera continued to roll as passersby one after the other, walked by this child
    who was on her back, and clearly not dead. The next thing we see, is this large
    delivery truck. Almost too wide for the rather narrow road. Too wide to go around
    the child, still being ignored by yet more people, happily going about their shopping.
    The truck slowed only slightly, before running over, and crushing the child under
    it’s dual rear tires, then driving on. The clip ended with the little toddler no longer
    moving at all. What in the hell gets into people, I thought, that they could nonchalantly, step over an injured child, and just calmly, go about their day?
    I think by observing the hard core group of T-Partiers, in the Congressional House, we could learn a lot in this regard.
    First, I don’t believe even the most hard core Conservative, would step over a
    child lying in front of them. But they are, in a once removed sense, essentially
    doing the same thing to the hungry children in this Country. When they advocate cutting food stamps by $60 billion dollars, as the T-Party in the House is insisting
    their fellow lawmakers do. On several different occasions these idiots have compared the nutrition supplement program to feeding stray cats, and other
    assortments of animals. One cretin even going so far as to say out loud,
    “The more you feed, the more they breed.” In my book, or The Book, they claim
    to live by, it just don’t get much uglier than that.

    • tax payer

      You must understand the parents are the main reason some children go hungry, so what would happen, if there was no help for the hungry in this country? Think about it? In Mexico children eat because the parents work otherwise they would die of hunger since Mexico doesn’t have Food Stamps as the USA. People make sure their children eat at their expense. Our tax money should be for the Defense of this country and not for those in Congress that do nothing to earn their money

      • Riobound

        Your words prove that you are in insensitive idiot. When hard times befall upon you, may you receive the same scorn as you have shown here. It would only be right. Far right.

        • tax payer

          You believe what you want, but you must not think about what would happen, if the Government decided enough is enough ( No Benefits ) to those that don’t want to work anymore. This will never happen because their children would die of hunger because the parents have shown they aren’t responsible for their own.

          • jmprint

            Cruz is this you?

      • charleo1

        The difference between you, and me, is I don’t care so much as to
        why a child is hungry. Only that the child be fed today. And, you’re
        suggesting we emulate Mexico? How small is your world anyway?
        Just say, I don’t care if children are hungry If it’s going to cost me anything at all to feed them, I’d just as soon they stay that way. I
        think the money is better spent on a military that already receives
        more funding, every year, than the next 5 Countries combined.
        And 3 of them are our allies. I think a lot of Right Wingers share
        your obvious unconcern for the least of us. Hungry children are
        not a cause where advocates make big money, like the lobby for
        say, defense contractors. See, the reason I’m a Democrat, is
        because defense contractors will always have someone looking
        out for them. Why would I waste my time cheering for the oil
        cartel, or cutting taxes for corporations, or hedge funds, that
        invest overseas? That is a cause I could be proud to say I’m dedicated to? When over a third of the children in the richest
        country in the world, live without access to a regular doctor,
        and have their best, and sometimes only meal of the day at
        school. I’m a Democrat first and foremost, to go the polls,
        and negate the vote of people that think like you.

        • Lynda Groom

          Well said sir.

          • charleo1

            Likewise on your post, Lynda! Even more so!
            We must tell it like it is!

        • tax payer

          These children will grow up ( to think why work ) since our children will still eat like we did, so when will this cycle end? The parents are the reason some children go hungry because these parents feel we are obligated to feed them and we had absolutely no part in their birth.

          • charleo1

            First thing I noticed is you need an upgrade in your values.
            Your concept of the world is no better than a pack of rats.
            And has all the altruism of a mangy stray dog. There are a
            lot of ways to incentivize people to work. Paying them a wage
            that covers the rent on a modest shelter. Buys basic nutritious
            food to eat. And clothes on their backs. Is one way to do it.
            But, however we do it, if it involves letting their children go
            without food, shelter, clothes, and an opportunity to get their
            education, you count me out! Because then, you’re not
            trying to end poverty. You’re being a selfish prick. And, I
            really don’t think you want people to think that. Do you?

          • tax payer

            Selfish are those that expect you to feed them for the rest of their life. We sure are different. You want to feed the poor and I want them to work, so we don’t have to feed their children. I see your point, but a lifetime of being fed by the tax payers isn’t the way to go, but they do it anyway. Poverty can be ended by making these people start doing for themselves and not expect you to be there for them all the time. Poor children will still grow up thinking why work, when our children can eat like we did and our parents stayed home all day. You don’t seem to understand they go hungry because their parents not wanting to do something about getting out of Poverty.

          • charleo1

            It seems to me you use this simplistic way of looking at the
            problem, so you can wash your hands of it. And at least
            tell yourself you are an okay person. But, I don’t see it
            that way. I don’t want a society where children pick thru
            the city dump for aluminum cans to sell, and discarded
            food to eat. They do that in Mexico. A place you think you
            want society here in America to emulate. You just think
            you do. Whether you realize it or not. You have build this
            fictitious scenario where millions of able bodied people
            are just lying around, and waiting to be fed. And that’s
            what they are teaching their children to do. And it’s so
            unfair to you. That’s your reality. Not the real one. And,
            I’ll tell you something else, you are afraid to look too
            closely. Because what if you’re wrong? Poverty is not
            created by setting a bad example, by feeding children?
            But a much bigger, and much more complex problem?
            And, the children can’t wait until we fix everything to eat.
            No Sir. I’ll not abide by any philosophy that refuses to
            feed the hungry.

          • tax payer

            You know that in this country no children will go hungry as long as we pay taxes. Their parents won’t be the reason they are eating because you and everyone that pays taxes are responsible for these children not dying of hunger. These same children will grow up with the idea we will let the tax payers feed our own children too ( as we were also fed ), when we were children. We too were poor and never did we get fed by the Government, so what went wrong along the way?

        • tax payer

          Hungry children ( they’ll never be ) as long as the Government uses our money to feed them and their parents. The parents only love making babies, but as you know by now they don’t care to feed them since they know Uncle Sam is there with a spoon in his hand.

        • Russell Byrd

          Yes, very well said sir.

    • Russell Byrd

      “. . . third world, market scenes.” You mean Waco? Yeah, I know, it wasn’t that funny, but what the hey. . . .

      • charleo1

        Maybe it was Waco! I haven’t been thru that part of TX in many years.

  • Dominick Vila

    The only way the GOP can sell tax cuts, subsidies, and loopholes that benefit mostly the wealthiest members of our society is by demonizing the poor. The fact that most welfare and food stamp recipients work is immaterial for those who characterize them as bums who spend the day watching TV, drinking, and doing nothing. The truth is that the reason so many Americans have no recourse but to seek government help is because their earnings are below the poverty line. Instead of focusing on the exploitation of millions of Americans by companies who only care about the bottom line, the GOP prefers to transform our fellow citizens into parasites unworthy of being citizens of this great country. They are the 47% Mitt Romney described so deceptively, and the main reason he lost the 2012 election.

    • Peoples425

      What makes this argument even more sickening is that the majority of the Caucasian 47% who more often than not has characterized the image that they perpetuate about welfare are the ones that voted for Romney. As it has been said, the republicans have had an art of making people vote against their own benefit.
      It has been proven time and again that Democratic controlled governments have produced and sustained more citizens and a healthier economy than Republicans have ever done and ever will, but this will never be showcased in media as it is controlled by those who don’t want this knowledge to be public.

      • Dominick Vila

        The reason so many Americans either dismiss or don’t understand the effectiveness of our socio-economic policies is because our party has been doing a lousy job at highlighting our accomplishments and seems unable to challenge the outlandish claims made, repeatedly and successfully judging by some recent polls, by the GOP. Incredibly, a plurality of Americans now believe that the party that almost destroyed our economy is the best suited to strengthen our economy!
        Since late 2012, I take polls with a grain of salt, but if the latest NBC/WSJ poll is correct I think it is fair to assume that a large number of our fellow citizens are either masochists, brain washed, or incapable of rational thinking.
        In any case, in spite of all its flaws, our food stamp program has helped millions of families, including children, have a decent meal, not because they are lazy but because our system rewards those that don’t need help and ignores those who are struggling to make ends meet.
        The problem is likely to worsen if nothing is done to stop the outsourcing of jobs, the tendency to hire part timers, the demonization of organized labor, and refusal to raise a ridiculously low minimum wage.

        • Peoples425

          “Consider the average IQ of the U.S., realize that half the country is dumber than that” – Me

          Given this thought, it becomes fairly easy to understand the lack of comprehension ability that much of this country. The manipulation strategies of each party have often confused the vast majority of Americans into voting against their own benefit and keeping in place the very people who couldn’t care less about those that they’re supposed to care about.

          There must be a hindrance put upon the negative growth of this country’s morals and ethics. I guess one of the main issues that needs to be addressed is the consistent attack upon the motivation of working people to attain middle class status.

    • charleo1

      You are so right, Dominick. Plus, they are, more than ever calling into
      question the legitimacy, and motivations, of that lower 47%. of voters.
      Accusing this group, especially minorities, of simply using their power
      at the ballot box, to award themselves even more, “free stuff.” So, is
      this a softening up of the next battleground, and a rallying cry, for the
      larger contest down the road? Namely, the GOP’s answer to the
      coming demographic tidal wave, that threatens to bury them over the
      next 20 years. Unless that is, these citizens can be somehow,
      disenfranchised. Perhaps by the contention that since these citizens,
      pay no Federal taxes, they also have no proper stake in the outcome
      of elections. I’m not saying I know this to be the case. But if my Party
      was as moribund and divided as the GOP is today. I would certainly
      be looking into this possible solution.

      • angelsinca

        You are so right, Charleo1; the upcoming demographic sees dependence on government as the norm, where big brother provides the sustenance, the good paying jobs, the education, the health care, the housing. And, where success and wealth are demonized and punished. Scary vision, unless you are an obedient drone.

        • charleo1

          Well, I don’t know about dependence on the Government.
          It depends on whether we continue to see corporations set
          record profits, while wages remain stagnant, and benefits
          such as healthcare through the employer, continue the
          downward trend we’ve seen over the last 25 years. As far
          as demonizing wealth, or success, that’s not happening at
          near the intensity politicians, and other media elites like
          Fox News, are promoting the case for the wealthy, that,
          somehow the rest of us aren’t working hard enough to
          deserve a living wage Or, there are plenty of jobs, but
          people are too lazy to work. Both of which are patently
          false. I’m not counting you in this equation. But, the top
          income earners, especially those corporations that use
          a lot of labor, are not going to be able to have it both ways.
          They may do as the largest employer in America Wal_Mart,
          and take advantage of the fact there aren’t enough jobs to
          go around. So, they hire 2 people at minimum wage, and
          offer no benefits of any kind. But there is a price society
          must pay for that profit increasing policy. And, it’s only fair
          Wal_Mart pay higher taxes to reimburse taxpayers for the
          bills their hiring policies are imposing on the Government.
          Or, pay better wages, so people can live on them and offer benefits, so, “Big brother will not be the source of last resort.
          No demonizing, no name calling necessary on either side.
          And no big money using it’s clout to shift their bills on
          everyone else.

          • angelsinca

            You know Chuck, those record-breaking profits don’t become hoarded gold to starve the poor. They go back into growing the businesses and toward products and services to support the lifestyles of those at the top. Other wealthy tycoons usually aren’t the ones to provide those products and services. You are free to be a capitalist and get in on the action or just continue pretending that taxing the shit out the rich will solve all the nation’s socio-economic ills.

          • charleo1

            Actually, in truth hoarding is exactly what large companies
            at the top have done. They have bought back their own
            stock, deposited the money in off shore accounts, and
            bought out competitors, to corner more of the market.
            Leaving consumers with fewer choices, and higher prices.
            The last account I read had the top Fortune 400 companies
            with an estimated 2 trillion dollars of capital in reserve.
            They’re not reinvesting to expand their size, and create
            jobs. In fact with buyouts, people lose jobs, in order to
            quickly show a profit to shareholders, and replenish cash
            reserves spent on acquiring their new market share. The
            truth is Angelsinca, none of these companies are so over
            taxed, they don’t have the money to expand. Their problem
            is they don’t have the customers to warrant expansion.
            They could receive more tax breaks than they currently
            enjoy. They’ll take them. But, they won’t cause them to
            expand, invest in this Country, or put more people to work
            in this Country. As there is no substitute in business for demand. Nevertheless, this is Right Wing dogma. Take
            from the poor, to hand to the rich, that’s already sitting
            on more money than they have investments for. Claiming
            it will create jobs. Which is not only not true, But immoral,
            and ridiculous.

          • angelsinca

            All excellent points, Charleo1. Except that the usual cause for economic expansion is dependent on governemnt policy, not prevailing corporate greed. IF we had sound policy to grow the economy we’d have demand for products and services. Instead, we have a political side show, where people and ideals have become so divided, the statistics that show a normal recovery won’t be showing up anytime soon. Most agree things will continue to worsen as Obamacare takes hold and full time jobs continue to vanish. Blaming the ills on ‘right wing dogma’ is only avoiding the actual damaging influences wrought by poor policy.

          • Russell Byrd

            Even when angelsinhell fakes a real conversation, it reads everything as if you agreed with it.

    • angelsinca

      So, you are the majority to affirm your support for Obama, but become the minority when it’s time to play the victim.

      • Sand_Cat

        So you really are as mean and delusional as all the rest, aren’t you? Guess it’s good you dropped the pretense. But I bet you’re still a “Christian,” right?

        • Russell Byrd

          “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in
          moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
          for selfishness.”


          John Kenneth Galbraith

          • Sand_Cat

            Thanks for quoting one of my favorite lines. I used to have a blog, and it was posted at the top, along with “Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.” Galbraith had another really good one about how the “free market” and the “invisible hand” really work for the common good. Something like the very worst people doing the very worst things for the very worst reasons… (actually, I think he said “wickedest”).

          • Russell Byrd

            I have always been fond of Galbraith’s quotes, but I lost most of my familiarity with his works over the years. Since I started to read the Memo, I find a lot of what he said fits rather well here. Especially, as a response to our mean, narrow brethren.

            I guess I will brag a little. I am rather proud of myself, though I definitely have been bad. On “The Hill,” one of their blogs is titled, “DEFCON Hill,” and today, was about the Navy Yard shootings. As usual, our wrong-wing “friends” have gotten the subject way off-topic.

            One guy wrote in reply to another poster, “YEAH right libtard. we are around about 75 TRILLION in the F’ing HOLE in
            you count all the programs, and your F’ing Dumborats have been in Power in Congress for 58 of the last 70 years you F’ing Ellen degenerate home-moe puke

            I did not take this well, so I replied that, “Bush left a deficit of
            157.542 TRILLION, so Obama has made a marked improvement. And actually, Repukes have been in charge for 72 of the last 70 years. Strange how self-loathing closet queens, like yourself, are always playing the “home-moe” card. Well anyway, the last sentence IS true.”

            I just couldn’t help myself. I thought, “why not, do what they do and just make it up.” This Teawondertard bought the whole thing and lamblasted me. Of course, even though I was laughing so hard, I gave it back to him. The sad part is, these people, if I stretch the word to dignify their existence, have no sense of proportion, no humor, and certainly are not living in reality. Which, tragically, is not really funny at all. Yet, I suppose that is the hand we are dealt. Sorry about the great length, but I just had to relate this to somebody.

          • Sand_Cat

            Might as well enjoy yourself any way you can. Nothing like a good comeback.
            By the way, I realized after posting that it appeared I was attributing the quote about stupidity to Galbraith. That one is from Friedrich von Schiller.

    • bjbstarr11

      Agree with you 100%.

  • jnsgraphic

    The GOP claims to be Christian, yet if Christ came to their door seeking shelter or ‘food stamps’, they would look at him as another homeless person and turn him away. These are the same people that turn there backs on middle class America, demand cuts to the programs that help them and then turn around and give more power to the wealthy and corporate America, while they take advantage of corporate welfare and tax loop holes when they’re profitable. Anyone supporting these cuts to SNAP need to be removed from office, they are tools of corporations and are receiving money from same. Wake up America, in 2014 the GOP house has got to go!

    • Riobound

      Jesus was an altruist … the GOP, not so much.

      • jnsgraphic

        Jesus was devoted to the welfare of others… the GOP is devoted to ‘corporate welfare’

    • angelsinca

      Actually, the nation claims to be Christian. But, you have to know and understand and practice Christianity before you can declare how it supposedly isn’t being obeyed.

      If Christ went to the white house, the president might be asked why he continues the pretense of being a Christian when he’d rather go golfing or lavishing his own family with extravagance, while millions go hungry.

      With the state of the economy and growing social dissatisfication, it seems the current policy drivers need to go, including this entire administration. Thank God for term limits.

      • Sand_Cat

        You’d certainly want him to go to the White House instead of YOUR house.

        • angelsinca

          If you are going to refer to Christ, and as long as you don’t burst into flames, the correct reference uses title text, as in ‘Him’. Even Fern the Wood would have gotten that right, if not by accident.

          • Sand_Cat

            Yes, I’m sure you’ve always been a good little pharisee. Any other nits you’d like to pick from my eye?

            And I still bet you want him to go condemn Obama to divert his attention from you.

          • angelsinca

            Obama doesn’t need me or anyone to condemn him. He is doing fine job by himself.

          • Russell Byrd

            Anyone that you condemn is got certainly going to have a seat at God’s right hand. And Sand_Cat used the correct term for you . . . Pharisee. You are a persecutor of Christ and His beliefs, not a supporter.

          • angelsinca

            Russy, you do not know WTF you are talking about.

          • Russell Byrd

            Seems still on topic. So I will repeat. “Anyone that you condemn is certainly going to have a seat at God’s
            right hand. And Sand_Cat used the correct term for you . . . Pharisee.
            You are a persecutor of Christ and His beliefs, not a supporter.”

            And in your “polite” language campaign, “WTF” still reads the same as “what the f*ck,” and not “w” – “t” – “f”. Otherwise, what would be the point,. Just because you use an acronym does not mean you did not actually say the same thing.

            You’re teascusting.

          • angelsinca

            Russy dear, never go full-retard.

          • Russell Byrd

            Thank you, but I will never become like you. :-)

          • Russell Byrd

            It is reassuring to realize, that if you are right about Hell, you will experience it first hand. The funny thing about a liar like you, is the twisting of the fact that the Republitards write the law, and it is Obama’s fault if someone goes hungry.

            Your teascusting friends decided to take HOW MUCH VACATION? When the Nation’s business was in arrears! What about that?

            Of course, you are more concerned in denigrating a President that is not only Democrat, but black.

          • angelsinca

            The president is black? OMG! I thought he was just some disbarred attorney that likes playinng soldier and trying to make a name for himself on the backs of honest hard working people. Are you sure about that Russy pohh. This shatters my entire world to hear that our president, the accidental recipient of the nobel peace prize, is not Chinese. Such a bummer.

          • Russell Byrd

            That is the best you have, when once again, I bust all your lies. Your obvious lies just add weight to the fact that you are a racist. You know very well that nothing you say about our President is true, and you know VERY well that he is not Chinese. The only bummer here is YOU. . . .

          • angelsinca

            Russy, your over-reactions are becoming concerning. Please tell us you don’t any weapons.

          • Russell Byrd

            That’s rather sick, don’t you think. I own weapons, and have been known to shoot them. But DO them. I will leave the obvious perversions to you.

          • angelsinca

            No, not sick to suggest you and waepons don’t mix. Your behavior on the internet is at times irrational and offensive, displaying total disregard for others. Combined with the availablility of a weapon, this makes for a dangerous potential to do physical harm beyond the emotional abuse you regularly practice.

          • Russell Byrd

            Almost too stupid to bother addressing. Between the to of us, you are the evil, unstable one. AND talking about behavior, that is ridiculous. I have never responded to anything except your own prior bad behavior. As I have said, I only bully the bullies. And you are one.

            However, I will remain a stable gun owner, while you will remain a sick, evil piece of filth.

            Have a royally fouled up day. You’ve earned it.

      • jnsgraphic

        Whether you are religious or not, someone should be calling out the Republican Party for claiming to be Christians, but doing the opposite of what Jesus taught and did. They should be for better treatment of the poor, disadvantaged, less fortunate, etc.

        People go golfing, on vacation, out to dinner, etc. every day and it doesn’t make them any less Christian; if you, and everyone else, spending money on leisure activities, what happens to the people who work in those industries?

        • angelsinca

          Someone ought to be calling out the Democratic Party for lying to its constiuency and the rest of the nation about the Obamacare tax, its actual costs, the flailing economy, more lost jobs and then propagating further lies about Republicans, as the president continues to do.

          Even during the ‘presidential’ announcement about the Naval yard shootings yesterday, he continued his anti-republican rant. WTF is wrong with this picture? Most people expect consolling by its leadership during times of national tragedy, not GOP-bashing.

          I don’t know about the Republican party calling itself ‘Christian’. Sounds like poll misinterpretation fueled by CNN misinformation. John Stewart made a funny on the topic, but he’s in it for the laughs, not the politics.

          When Republicans identify themselves as Christians, they don’t place the party anywhere near the spiritual semtiments. To marry the two only shows a misunderstanding of both Republicans and Christianity.

          • jnsgraphic

            The term “Right-Wing Christian” an Oxymoron… Jesus’ teachings, including his words and actions, were incontrovertibly liberal and demonstrated love, tolerance, compassion, charity, truth and generosity. Jesus healed the sick and fed the poor, yet the Republicans have traditionally opposed Medicare and Food Stamp programs that do just that, and have proposed to slash funding for such in the recent House GOP budget. Jesus preached equality among men and women, and the list goes on…
            It makes no sense for Christians to support Republicans that want to strip the poor, sick and elderly of their benefits while giving tax breaks to the rich. Hiding behind other issues is just a farse.

          • angelsinca

            Excellent commentary jns. But the points about the poor are moot now that there are more poor than ever before, under the leadership and policies of Obama. My family included. My wife lost her full time job now that cruch time is here with Obamacare, thanks to the liberal, ‘caring’ afforded by this liberal gov’t. Yet, the conservatives are stealing jobs to feed their rich buddies. Not that Obama would hoibnob with the rich & famous to feed his ego. How was the ball in the WHJ, btw? When you return to Earth let’s hear how everything is all peachy in fantasyland.

          • Russell Byrd

            So the entire time that you have, more than once alluded to, and on several occasions stated, that you are a woman, YOU HAVE BEEN LYING. I may be mistaken, provided you are a Lesbian, but you are a damn strange one to have the beliefs that you do.

          • angelsinca

            That reveals your mysoginy.

          • Russell Byrd

            LIAR, no such thing was mentioned or alluded to. Actually, what you have shown by lying is that you are indeed a misogynist yourself. You are a constant liar and a constant hypocrite. I only demonstrated that nothing you say can be trusted. I couldn’t care less what you are if you treat people decently and make some attempt at reasonable, on-topic, and HONEST conversation. But NO, the first thing that comes out of your mouth is the same repetitive lies and insults that you told the day before. The BLAME game is the only one you know, and you must you lies to propel your point.

            I bet you still are not gone from here, even though you have said you were twice before now. I also have noticed that goody two-shoes BS about being a Christian went out the window. I never really thought you were a Christian, because I was certain that you were just using that as a ploy to gain some sort of moral high ground. BUT you are just such a damned fake that no one will ever believe you. POSER!

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, angelshit, it is “misogyny.” So “professor,” you have made three mistakes, and I might add, started this little thread by accusing me of making two mistakes THAT WERE NOT.

            Looks like I am up 5-0 on this game, too. Notice a pattern here, you are always attacking, but upset when it explodes in your face. Yeah, next you will accuse me of trying to blow you up. What a cretin you are.

          • Russell Byrd

            We both know Obamacare probably had nothing to do with her job loss. But, I guess it makes you “all warm and fuzzy” to have your favorite straw man to pluck a few strands from.

          • Russell Byrd

            No, no, no. Rich conservatards are not stealing jobs. They just steal from the REAL “wealth creators.” One could say, they are giving the jobs of working people away. Your heroes have no affinity for real work. So there is no fear that they will really do any . . . work. Their strong suit is scheming. Odd, that con-servatard, and con-fidence game, and con-artist, and con-vict, all share the same first syllable and same etymological origins .

          • Russell Byrd

            Ha, angelsinhell IS moot. Now if it would poot and scoot.

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, the two are “married.” The problem, as usual, is not in the telling, but in the performance. Republiscum, usually come in two basic flavors. The Thumpers or the Sociopathic Atheists. (In other words, to separateSure, their is a plurality of Pubs that are neither, but then, we don’t get bombarded with their evil lies and nonsense, such as you constantly do.

          • angelsinca

            Long time no see Russy. When you step off your high horse, please do share the lies I have told. You simply do not know what a lie is, or you maintain a bizarre definition for a lie that allows for partisan immunity to being dishonest.

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, it has only been a couple of days.

            That “high horse” belongs to you. As I am not a liar, as you are, I have no incentive to spread the lies of others. Particularly when your lies are just based on hate. You will tell any lie if it furthers your evil agenda.

            As in a later post, you claimed Obama is disbarred. That is based on a right-wing disinformation letter that is easily debunked by anyone interested in the truth. (Not you obviously.) His license was put in inactive status after he got the nomination for President. It was not needed. At least, not now. As for the disciplinary actions the writer claimed were “strangely” not listed. He never bothered to consider the obvious. THERE WASN’T ANY.

            Your need to down the black President drives you to make the stupidest lies possible. Don’t claim you are not a racist. I deal with fact. Saying you are not a racist is meaningless, WHEN YOU WRITE AND ACT LIKE ONE!

            Can you get yourself wrapped around that idea, or are you that stupid?

          • angelsinca

            In three short years we can finally move on to a real leader. That is, if your pal hasn’t caused The End.

          • Russell Byrd

            Which of course will be another Democrat. So sad for you.

            And what “end” do you envision? An improvement in the American condition? Sounds tragic for a jerk-off like you

          • angelsinca

            No problem with Democrats here, just the ones that that force their ideals on others. Yep, we ALL see the improvements around America the last few years. Good to hear everything is so peachy and cheeky for you, Russy. Excuse me while I top off my tank at $4.69/gal.

          • Russell Byrd

            As always more blame, and more importantly, more FALSE blame. Blame your greedy capitalists. Democrats did nothing to make you have $4.69/gal. gasoline. As well, if it offends you, DON’T BUY IT.

          • angelsinca

            Sure, that sounds ‘rational’. I’ll just walk the 48.9 miles to work then. High energy costs, along with the rapidily increasing health cre costs AND the growing federal debt are ALL the direct result of this president’s policies. Thanks for naught.

          • Russell Byrd

            As always, you avoid the TRUTH. You completely side-stepped the facts. As always, it is Obama’s fault.

            To the point: “As always more blame, and more importantly, more FALSE blame. Blame your greedy capitalists.” This is TRUTH, and has nothing to do with you walking to work. That is your convoluted, fouled up idea.

            As I said before, if it offends you, DON’T BUY IT. That is practical capitalism is action!

          • Russell Byrd

            The fact that you would have to walk to work, would be of your own choosing. Yet, blaming Obama for high gas prices is like blaming John Steinbeck for the Great Depression. Of course, when your “deck” is only composed of “race cards,” what else can we expect.

          • Russell Byrd

            No one is forcing any ideas on others. You can believe exactly any crazy fairytale you like. However, some of us are tired of you forcing your views on us, and others.

          • Russell Byrd

            Maybe, we can develop a bomb or “death ray gun,” or is it “reagan,” that will only kill the stupid. That would be “The End” for some people.

            I will be sure to send flowers to your funeral.

          • angelsinca

            Cute. We have wacko with a gun that now promote killing people. Is the FBI listening yet? Wher is a moderator when you need one?

          • Russell Byrd

            Yes, exactly. Where is the moderator when we have been needing one to clean your ass out of here for some time?

            You’re the gun nut supporter and likely a gun nut yourself. Do you think I care what upsets you. Everything apparently, but you think you can bully with impunity. Slow learner, aren’t you.

            If I had to explain it, if you had half a mind, literally, a “stupid ray” wouldn’t get you.

            I will admit that I see it as a shame that the planet and the Nation have given you so much, and you respond by hating your fellow man. It is a travesty to allow you to exist when you desire to cause so much pain in others. You are a lazy waste of skin that likely spent most of your time being jealous and scheming against those that actually had lives of value.

          • Russell Byrd

            I am going to do something that I rarely do anymore. I am going to do a little work for you. Something you likely know nothing about. I mean not only the article in particular, but work in general.

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

          • angelsinca

            Thanks for breaking your personal code long enought to share a snopes link. It must have been excruciating painful for you. It’s good to have two more reasons not to trust either of the Obamas. Next up, detailed explanations of the word ‘is’? Thanks Russy

          • Russell Byrd

            I don’t normally, because:

            1. I should not have to do your work for you.
            2. You do not care what the truth is.
            3. You normally don’t read truth anyway.

          • angelsinca

            More likely it’s because when you educate others, you no longer have grounds to abuse them, Russy.

          • Russell Byrd

            Your a fucking piece of shit. For several years we have tried to educate you and your ilk. What do you do when you come here, post off topic rants that are just lies to attack whatever you have the most angst about. Generally that is Obama.

            YOU CANNOT BE EDUCATED. WHAT is worse, it is entirely willful. Go lie to someone that likes to hear lies. Whoever that may be.

          • angelsinca

            Grunt

          • Russell Byrd

            Most intelligent and innocuous thing you have ever posted. Thanks for the tacit agreement.

            The tragedy is, you really can’t be educated, so by your own omission, you must continue to be abused.

            Honestly, this is not be my choice, but yours. I told you repeatedly, “I do not post all that much, except when your ilk starts the sh*t,” and “I am just here to ‘destroy your joy’.”

            Start using facts, come to discuss, stop the over the top, obviously exaggerated claims, quit being a garden variety racist that blames Obama for EVERYTHING wrong and nothing right. Learn some manners, use common decency, be honest, and then we will have something to discuss.

            As you are a dishonest, racist, with sociopathic tendencies, that ONLY came to TROLL, I realize these words are futile.

            There, once again I have made an attempt to EDUCATE you. I am sure that, once again, it will have no result.

          • angelsinca

            You don’t take much responsibility for yourself, do you. Why do most liberals such as yourself, Obama, and most of the Democrat ‘leadership’ have to blame others, especially those they disagree with, for their own incompetence and nastiness? Parasitic by nature nature, it seems.

            Again, you really ought to get out of the business of sizing people up. You just aren”t that good at it.

            Helping people is not one your strong suits either, as demonstrated by your repeated pissing and moaning about providing a simple url. Please, no more favors.

            Then again, it does give you something else to blame on someone else.

            TROLL , it kind of rolls off lips like Russell Byrd at a Breitbart or Blaze blog. You crack me up. Thanks for the chuckles, Russy.

          • Russell Byrd

            As for TROLL, you are one, I do not post nonsense to any groups, and I
            do not often post much at all. Only in response to useless wastes of
            skin like you.

            As for the “I am too chicken shit to use my real
            name, because I am an abusive piece of filth, name of “angelsinca,” it
            rolls off the lips quite harmoniously with words like, prison, deadbeat
            criminal kid, treachery, lies, . . . well I could empty a dictionary.

            I hope you are laughing. I like it when you prove everything I have said is correct. According to the one that is supposed to be your Lord, your behavior will be rewarded. We both know where that will be at.

            You are a troll that only has lies as tools. Pretty much damned yourself there. You do not listen and when your lies are debunked you just continue, because you think you are hidden and justice cannot be exacted. That is how a criminal thinks, and we know very well that runs in the family.

            As I have said, “I am only here to ‘destroy your joy.'” So what is your motivation in trying to move a rock one hundred times your size with your bold-faced lies? I am justified, and you are a liar. Where are you going and what will you win?

            The answer is an easy one, but of course, you are too stupid to get simple truth.

            P.S. I told you many times why I do not usually post links. You don’t read them and you can easily do the work yourself if you were interested. Posting urls is what people that are engaged in normal, interesting, and on topic conversation do. As you are only a disruptive TROLL, there is no value to doing so. So, sorry, you do not get any joy on that point either.

          • angelsinca

            Kisses and hugs to you too Russy. I’ve yet to witness any other keyboard pounder release as much hate and violate so many TOS’s as yourself. Hope your week is most excellent, sir. Peace and Love to ALL of mankind, even Obama supporters.

          • Russell Byrd

            On the contrary, I am not near as crazy mad as you are, either in angst or outright insanity. The proof is in your failure to let this go when you have been told repeatedly that you will fail in your mission of having your way. That is the definition of insanity. Doing something known and destined to fail repeatedly.

            The only dope I have been smoking is “angelsinca.” Your factual capacity is nil, and your intellectual capacity is somewhere south of a north bound horse. My IQ is certainly about 50-60 points higher than yours, but you have been assured by your right-wacko talking heads that stupidity is actually brillance, and intelligent thought is to be avoided. They have instilled in you that all you have to do is say “boo” and Liberals will flee. Sorry, that was never really true, and has gotten much worse for you because we are tired of your evil stupidity. As well, you picked the wrong one out of the hat, and now you cannot figure out how to live with it.

            The world is built on human disappointments, Learn to deal with it and help others less fortunate. Otherwise, enjoy your eternity in Hell.

            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
            John Kenneth Galbraith

          • angelsinca

            The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.

            Ronald Reagan

          • Russell Byrd

            The trouble with our Ronald Reagan was not that he was ignorant; it’s just that he knew so much that wasn’t so.

            R. B.

            Observably true.

            You even lie repeatedly about leaving. Reagan may be your hero, but he was proven to be a sorry sack . . . . He has a large responsibility for our mess today. Trickle down BS. Even his own people knew that was true. But Reagan was going to do it anyway because he was going to show the American people that the rich elites were really the boss. Democracy be damned. He did a good job of it.

            He had all of Carter’s responses when he debated him. How, a repeat of the Watergate scandal that the news media was afraid to make too much of. Documented fact, that you can find. Sorry, I will not post a url. I told you why.

            Iran Contra and a total treasonous FU that should have resulted in impeachment and criminal prosecution. Again documented.

            Oh yeah, in my day we had these things called books. Generally, an author put months into doing research, not making up a false story in three minutes like your talking heads at Faux do. We read them and learned. I know, SCARY isn’t it.

            You know, I am a very modest man. That is one of the reasons I am not rich, but on every post, I smoke that DOPE they call angelsinca down to a burning ash. Never learn, do you.

            Since you never did post on topic, would it be out of line to ask if you even knew what the topic was? Hmm? Once again, what are you trying to gain? Do YOU have a crush on me? Maybe I should be flattered, but I would rather French kiss an hungry Bengal Tiger.

          • angelsinca

            Russell Byrd wrote: “Iran Contra and a total treasonous FU that should have resulted in impeachment and criminal prosecution. Again documented”

            Yet, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, student loan fraud under an alias, and arming Al-Queda in Libya are all ok in your book. Go it. Have a super swell day, Russy. Thanks again for the laughs.

            A leader in the Democratic Party is a boss, in the Republican Party he is a leader – Harry S. Truman

          • Russell Byrd

            Except. all the scandals you mentioned are based on DEBUNKED Republitard lies. So they are not OK in my book, but the people you want to blame by doing a spin job, are not at fault. Another exercise in truth versus angelsinhell.

            Have another bad day preparing for the just desserts of a liar. That be Hell, if you need help on figuring it out.

          • angelsinca

            What kind of person quotes himself by stealing someone else’s? Add plaguerism to the long list of flaws. LOL

          • Russell Byrd

            That’s a paraphrase dipsh*t. You are the one that used the quote from the “Great Prevaricator.” So it is just TOO BAD and SO SAD. Why don’t you do any of the things I ask that have to do with loving your fellow humans. Oh, that’s right, you are a lying, self-centered racist and bigot. I notice you never argue about the bigot part. You never have. I guess that is too much of a “no contest” to bother with.

          • angelsinca

            Why would anyone do anything YOU demand? Piss off, insignificant lil’ twerp. BTW, if you are going to ‘paraphrase’, try using the correct punctuatuion, dumbass.

          • Russell Byrd

            A mean spirited waste of skin, that believes good lies make good discussion, that has no sense of humor, no sense of decency, and especially, no empathy for ITS fellow man, that has been debunked on EVERY post that IT ever made, thinks that it has something that anyone with a brain will care to give a second thought to. That really is the point, you have never made any worthwhile contribution to any discussion you have ever trolled.

            Really, why would I care. If the best you have is a carp about punctuation, when you have been broke like a bad habit, then YOU HAVE NOTHING. Do the world a favor and jump off of a tall building. It really should be tall . . . ask me why.

            Anyway, sh*tsack, my punctuation is fine. If you are talking about quotation marks, you lose again. As I have said, it is not a quote. Since you already gave a source, and we both know that what my reply demonstrated, it is not plagiarism.

            For the record, one spells PLAGIARISM, not “plaguerism.” TOUCHE, GOTCHA! AGAIN!

            Of course, you being near anybody constitutes a PLAGUE! What a stupid sack of Hell bound sh*t you are!

          • angelsinca

            Russell Byrd wrote: “I notice you never argue about the bigot part”.

            There is NO point in argueing over a false claim on the internet, Russy. Hope you have an extra fine day filled the same type of ‘joy’ and ‘love’ you project onto others.

          • Russell Byrd

            You’ve argued everything else, creep. You have lied every time you show up here. Are you too stupid to make up one for that.

            Oh, that’s right. Your right-wacko talking head spoon-feeding propangand-sh*t controllers have not wrote that into your script yet. Better call back for some aid and assistance. Of course, I just use truth, fact, and some common sense to bust your fairy-land nonsense. You might try those three sometime.

            Oh, and you cannot even spell PLAGIARIZE, nor can you punctuate. STUPID!

          • Russell Byrd

            So what you are saying is, you are entitled to tell lies because no one can physically stop you. Kind of fits the definition of sociopath, and a psychotic one to boot.

            I guess that Christianity thingee went right out the window, again. I can already imagine the smell and the screams you will make when you get invited for the great “cook in.”

          • angelsinca

            Again, Russy, you just aren’t that good at sizing up people. If you stopped looking into the mirror when you dream up this crap, you might even hit the nail by accident, at least once. So far, you are zero for, well, you are just zero.

          • Russell Byrd

            Since you always lie, then I know that I have hit dead center. Really, I base my entire analysis on your words alone. You have spoken volumes and it is easy to read what kind of little sneaky, vicious, bullying, lying, little dirty piece of work you are.

            You should try using your own advice. At least, I answer based on what you have said. I try to address as much of the rot you spew as possible. You address very little, but just insult. Of course, I am a hideous guy if I use the same techniques, but with more effect.

            I constantly ask questions which you never attempt to answer. Yeah, the occasional half-a** attempt to “appear” to be answering. You do not even seem to know what the topic of the blog is on any given day. You just run your “playbook” of freaky lies, and sit back and think you are cute.

            So, if there is a God. I have know doubt that you will soon be smoking in Hell. The most damned man is the arrogant fool that thinks he can do anything and never face any retribution. Just the way you perceive God’s creatures is enough to damn you. Your heart is as hard as a stone.

            One final time, you know very well that when I do post, I get along well with just about everyone. The only people that dislike me are garbage like you. Of what consequence is that to me?

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “So, if there is a God. I have know doubt that you will soon be smoking in Hell.”

            I quit smooking two years and 1 month ago after 42 years of liking it. Why? I had a massive heart attack and had to have emergency bypass surgey. If this makes you happy, you aren’t the caring human you think are. I survived to a new life of trying to help others by being more kind, understanding and forgiving. When I come across hateful angry people like yourself, I usually just avoid them, as evidenced by repeated attempts to dismiss myself from your vengeful anti-republican, anti-conservate rants that reek of evil. Yet, I am compelled to return to address your repeatedly wrong evaluations in the hopes that you will either realize your hate has completely taken over all sense of rationality or that you might transform into the nice person you are sure I am not. I see your other interactions with those that you agree with. When you encounter contrary opinions, you dismiss them ias lies and set the sights beyond stun. I see yo do it repeatedly to many a visitor here that call ‘trolls’. Why the violent reaction and irrational accusations toward those you disagree with? Unlike you, I am not a amatuer psychoanalyst, but I am familiar with some conditions that require professionmal intervention. Please consider it for yourself, if not for those you target with verbal abuse. Goodluck. We could all use a better, kinder version of Russell Byrd here. Peace

          • Russell Byrd

            I am a deeply caring person that strives to help my fellow man. You are just the opposite. As far as I am concerned you belong in a hole. There is no wrong evaluation to address. You continue to stress your hatred for anyone that you think is beneath you. You are not compelled to do anything, except you are bat-shit crazy and plain mean.

            If their is a God, you are toast. That is the most impure piece of blasphemy that I have seen in some time. You say anti-republican. When evil people practice their evil, then I despise them. You think that is anti-republican, when it is anti-criminal. If you have to be a liar and thief, I do not care what you call yourself.

            And you will be in Hell before long, whether smoking or not. There is no hope for such a poisoned soul as yours.

            The
            modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in
            moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
            for selfishness.

            John Kenneth Galbraith

            This is a quote that is a perfect description for you. In your evil, you refuse to realize that causing pain in others is not on the path to righteousness. Heads and hearts as hard as yours are why I doubt there is a God. Yet, sometimes I pray there is for you will be eternally punished.

            Yeah, I hope you roast in Hell, and I am smiling when I say that because I enjoy truth and justice. You can try to fool some rube with that fake sincerity.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “I am a deeply caring person that strives to help my fellow man”

            In the same post he continues, “I hope you roast in Hell…”

            Got it. LOL

          • Russell Byrd

            I have told you repeatedly why? So by lying to me, what are you proving? I have a lot more reason to love a homeless panhandler than you. Can’t you get that. You have EARNED my derision and loathing. So, once again, what are you proving by lying?

            I only ask because I wish to understand the pathology of a mind as sick as your. Seriously, again, what are you proving by lying? You sure are not earning a ticket to Heaven. That was cancelled long ago. So, for the fourth time. WHY?

          • angelsinca

            Russell Byrd wrote: “So what you are saying is, you are entitled to tell lies because no one can physically stop you. ”

            No, I am not saying that. You have created another delusion and called it reality. Please get help. Please, from one human to another, seek treatment.

          • Russell Byrd

            STILL LYING I SEE. You did not leave. You just want me to quit so you can have that all important last word. Not going to happen chickenshit.

            Actually, you should seek treatment. Although pathological liars are roughly incurable. Maybe, if you are tranked you will just stop mouthing.

            My post was, once again, based on exactly what you said.

            And really, that is what you are trying to do. Keep lying until everyone is so tired of hearing you and lets you have the entire blog. You willfully want to shutdown conversation.

            I figure you owe me about 20 replies. If you want to “win,” you better get started.

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, if one parses that statement with a critical, open mind, one must conclude that a moron said that. Of course, to his fellow morons, the words of the “great bowel evacuator” were music to their ears. Still are.

            Please consider removing the word “not” and inserting “and” after the comma.

          • Russell Byrd

            Keyboard pounder . . . Total hypocrite, accusing someone of being a keyboard pounder when that is exactly what you do. At least my content is truthful and pertinent. Even when I insult you I am telling the truth.

            You are a perfect Teatardlickon. I guess we know what you like to lick.

          • Russell Byrd

            Like a Teabaggers, you hate mankind. You are in love with a world where you can have it all, do nothing for it, and deny anything to people worse off, and worship rich thieves as gods.

          • Russell Byrd

            Angelsinhell kinda doesn’t roll off the tongue. More like, the farty ploppy sound that a horse makes when it takes a dump.

          • Russell Byrd

            As far as trolling is concerned. I do not troll. I certainly do not even read the filth at Breitbart, and I do not even know what Blaze is. I guess that is the resident right-wacko blog in Hell. Like the old saying “go to Blazes.” Well . . . go. If you approve of “Blaze,” then it must certainly be somewhere no one interested in truth would want to go.

            Is this where your talking head controllers shovel sh*t into your head by the bucket full?

          • Russell Byrd

            The world is built on human disappointments, Learn to deal with it and help others less fortunate. Otherwise, enjoy your eternity in Hell.

            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises
            in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral
            justification for selfishness.
            John Kenneth Galbraith

          • Russell Byrd

            I assume by “grunt,” you have taken a dump in your drawers. Not even house broken, are you.

          • Russell Byrd

            I should not have to do your work for you. You do not care what the truth is. You normally don’t read truth anyway.

            You cannot be educated, angelskank!

          • Russell Byrd

            No personal code applies. Normally, I would give citations for any “hard” facts I present. However, you laugh at people that do any real work, and you will not read anything anyway.

            So, why bother.

          • Russell Byrd

            Republitards are literally threatening to destroy the nation to get their perverted way. What else is the President to do but expose their moral decrepitude. You expose yourself as well, when you say “GOP-bashing.” In your mind, the GOP can do any treason it wants. Everyone else has to toe a very narrow line.

            And scumbag, I have heard too many Republitards say that no one that is Liberal can go to Heaven. Even though, a Liberal believes FULLY in the teachings of your Lord and Master. Even though we may have no belief in a higher power, we still believe the truth of what He taught. BUT YOU DON’T. Being Christian is just something you arrogant b*st*ards can ram down someone else’s throat.

            Are there true Christians that are Republican? Of course, but they are not like YOU. They do not spew a bunch of LYING SASS, wherever they go.

            I think you are too stupid to understand John Stewart.

          • angelsinca

            Calm down Russy. It seems we are now being exposed to a sampling of the root cause of your irrationality. Please do seek professional help. I don’t mean this in a sarcastic way or mean way. Really, you seem like you need some help with whatever it is causing you to behave so irrationally and seeth with so much hate. I will gladly step out of this morass of your emotional abuses since it seems you have reached that tipping point, again. Bye Russy, it wasn’t so much fun to see you melt down in public again. Please, really, take the meds or at least get the help to have them prescribed for you. The condition doesn’t go away by chasing people away with anger and false accusation. Good luck amigo.

          • Russell Byrd

            A statement typical of you in that it contains not one shred of truth and flies in the face of reality. When you “apologize,” you are insulting. When you wish someone well, you are obviously only playing a game. I play games, but not the kind you like. You think if you can get some sympathy from someone, you can take advantage of them.

            The tragedy for you is nothing you have to say disturbs me one little bit. I realize just about everything you say is based on total untruth. The only thing that can equal your untruthfulness is your irrationality.

            Think about it. (Sorry!) You came here to disrupt. You got burnt again and again. Now you run away. I do not post to “win” like you do, but really, I win either way. I can only “lose” to a dolt like you if I allow it. You have nothing that can shake my resolve. You are the one that is trolling. I did not come here to pick fights. I came to read posts. You came to disrupt.

            You come looking for the weak to pick on. If there is one of us that is sick, it is you.

            So, now run away. Of course, you have promised that probably 50 times that I know of. Like everything you say, those were lies, too. So I guess I will be “seeing” you.

            I guess you saw what you are up against, and decided that it would be too much work

          • angelsinca

            The problem here is you are unable to recognize sincereity when walks up to you and rests it’s hand on your shoulder. You see a reality coomplete void of kindeness, respect and trust. What went wrong? When someone wishes you well, you twist the act af kindness into a despicable game. You sir are in need of more than anything I can provide. You remain wrong in every one of your nasty assesments. Every single one. So sad to see another soul become so lost. Good luck.

          • Russell Byrd

            You know, I only hate you. Now, how arrogant can you be. In order for any of your reasoning to be true, you would have to be the only person on the planet that matters. As you are an insignificant waste of skin, you do not matter.

            You made at least two spelling errors and failed to complete a sentence. You left something out. Russ 8, angelturd 0! You are the one that brought it up. And you have dropped this point as if it never happened. Just as you always do.

            As for putting your hands on anything, you are sick and very unwelcome. When you insult, lie, and disrupt for hundreds of posts, a sickeningly insincere and SARCASTIC apology is worth absolute SQUAT!

            You are nothing more than a criminal. Runs in the family I understand.

          • angelsinca

            So sad that rationality eludes you, Byrd. When I picture a world filled with hate like the one you’ve created for yourself, I glance at my avatar and hope that mankind won’t destroy itself anytime soon. I’m probably wrong.

          • Russell Byrd

            Continuing to spin the truth shows nothing but extreme madness. If I hate anyone, it would be you. You have no saving graces. You believe lies are sufficient evidence to lead a normal life. You believe that people with real intelligence should just fold-up and let you have your way. AND YOU HATE EVERYONE NOT HAVING YOUR NARROW VIEWS.

            You cannot sway me with your veiled insults and lies. So who are you fooling? Yourself. (That is not a question.)

            You cannot even tell the truth about leaving. On at least four occasions you have said you are leaving. Of course, we both know, or at least you should know, that is just a ploy to get that ALL important “last word.” My only ambition is to ensure you leave unhappy.

            You are a truly evil person that will receive salvation ONLY in you own mind. The reality will be VERY different

          • angelsinca

            For grins and to lighten the heavy mood, how about if we take just one of your posts in its entirety to try to gain some understanding R. Dyrd, shall we?…

            “You know, I only hate you.”

            Disppointed by the singular emotion.

            “Now, how arrogant can you be.”

            For a person that claims to win a debate via misspellings (that are usually only typos), I’ll have to claim a clear victory on your lack of proper punctuation here.

            “In order for any of your reasoning to be true, you would have to be the only person on the planet that matters.”

            Not really. Truth can be derived from a rock, if no one challenges the rock on its position.

            “As you are an insignificant waste of skin, you do not matter.”

            The Children of Bodom could decide to revoke your entire post for your continued and repeated, unauthorized use of its lyric.

            “You made at least two spelling errors and failed to complete a sentence. You left something out. Russ 8, angelturd 0!”

            Your repetitious derisive terminology is like an IQ test. And yes, you did poorly again.

            “You are the one that brought it up.”

            Kindergarten returns to the Memo

            “And you have dropped this point as if it never happened. Just as you always do.”

            Apalling grammer and even worse punctuation. I’ll claim three points here. Your points are typically vague and mostly unadressable.

            “As for putting your hands on anything, you are sick…”

            I’m actually quite healthy now. Thanks for the concern.

            “.. and very unwelcome.”

            You’re very unwelcome too. I’m claiming a bonues point here for correctly using a difficult homonym.

            “When you insult, lie, and disrupt for hundreds of posts, a sickeningly insincere and SARCASTIC apology is worth absolute SQUAT!”

            I didn’t apologize. I offered assuarnce there is help available for your increasingly obvious condition. Its impact on you matches the cost of the offering and how much your refusal effects me.

            “You are nothing more than a criminal.”

            No arrests here ever, outside of a brief detention for verbal altercation with a verbally abusive cop that was admonished by the judge for ilegally detaining me. You remind me of that cop. Another point scored agianst you for being wrong, again.

            ” (ciminality) Runs in the family I understand. ”

            Point for incomplete senstence. I will make this one perfectly clear for you, Byrd. My adult son accepted a 15 yr plea bargain for defending himself against a thug that stalked then assaulted him, stealing $8k he had for the shop rent. After hitting my son in the head with a hammer, my son grabbed a Glock and shot at the truck fender demanding his money back. 1) the thief was an informant for the Feds. 2) the informant turned some of the money over to local police and that evidence vanished. 3) the Da threatened my son with 110 years so he did the math since the lawyer did his wife 4) the family is hopeful he will be released next year after having served several years already 5) an investigator seems to have disappeared after we gave him $6K when he assured us he had information favorable to our son’s case. 7) the FBI is interested in the local corruption.

            If you care to make anymore asshole claims of criminality running in the family, you should get your facts straight, dipshit. Kndergarten is closed. You lose.

          • Russell Byrd

            I see why Fern is so violent to you and your ilk. You have spoken nothing, but lies. The misspellings you refer to, do not exist. Certainly, I have made some, but the ones you claim are not true.

            Let’s take “Disppointed,” from your own post above. And what is a typo, anyway. You cannot even maintain accuracy when you are accusing someone else. What a Hell bound piece of shite you are.

            You made three blatant errors in the first post accusing me of errors. And I explained what was NOT wrong with my usage. You remain silent on yours.

            You make one or more errors in every post. I generally make none. So what is your point? I have allowed your errors to go by, because I recognize your unsophisticated ignorance. I only push this point because YOU broached the subject. You are unarmed in this fight. So again, what is your point?

            I enjoy doing this. For example, that is why I flooded your email with ON-TOPIC posts. On-topic being responses to your lies, not the topic of the blog that you so casually disregarded. So PLEASE continue, but why do you do so when you are taking such a beating? Madness? Stupidity?

            You can’t win. Why do you keep making futile attempts to try? You have done this same nonsense half a dozen times before, and every time you have left with your tail between your legs.

            My only regret is that I am wasting words on someone so disarmed in a verbal fight. Yet, since you are such an evil “man,” this will continue.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “I see why Fern is so violent to you and your ilk.”

            Because the white suits haven’t found her/you yet?

          • Russell Byrd

            You’re talking to someone that would potentially be your “keeper.” Of course, I never wear the white coat. So much more relaxing to dress casually. Not for me of course, but for the “subject.” (Now, spin that out of context.)

            You really should give me your address. I can hook you up with an invite to a “formal” event. Of course, “white jacket and tie” will be required. No worries, we furnish the outfits! Snicker, snicker.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “You’re talking to someone that would potentially be your “keeper.”

            Aha, that makes sense. Being around incarcerates all day has taken its toll. Check email for directions to my place. The authorities will be waiting.

          • Russell Byrd

            More lies and hollow rhetoric. As always you avoided answering a pertinent question. Even though I asked it four times.

            If this worked as it should, and I had your address, the “authorities” will not be waiting. They will have already removed you to a secure location.

            As we both know, the truth is I would not REALLY dirty my hands with you. I am just curious how your pathology works. Of course, that is in addition to my “destroy your joy” campaign. :-)

          • angelsinca

            I didn’t take your threat of detention seriously, Russy. Not with you being a person of kindness and caring and sense of humor. Thanks for the chuckles, clown.

            I do hope the FBI is taking your threats of violence and death seriously. Please continue providing cause for concern…and don’t hang up the phone.

          • Russell Byrd

            I doubt that, as I have never made a threats, direct or otherwise…I just allude to what should happen to a liar, with criminal tendencies, such as yourself.

            Again, why are you here?

          • angelsinca

            R,. Byrd wrote: “Again, why are you here?”

            Pease refer to Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the US Bill of Rights.

            Also, please note the subject of the Memo’s article. It isn’t Angelsinca. And I’m pretty sure it isn’t an open invitation for Russell Byrd to fire up the personal attack machine. Still sore over the short straw comment are we? Where is that Byrd sense of humor? LOL

          • Russell Byrd

            Irrelevant waste of time in a lame attempt to make this a Constitutional Right’s issue. The truth is you came here to deny the rights enumerated in those documents to others.

            The question still stands as asked. WHY ARE YOUR REALLY HERE? I have a perfectly protected right to ask any question, but as any good criminal would do, you wish to deny basic rights to others.

            WHY ARE YOUR REALLY HERE? You do not have any protected rights to verbally assault on topic posters. . . . Don’t make the lame claim that is you.

            The question is pertinent and everyone has a RIGHT to ask it. You can’t answer, can you. Also, what is it you are trying to gain? You have been warned that you will get nothing. If you stop, then you may go your merry way.

            Please, do not stop, because every moment you spend in this useless charade is one heartbeat nearer to your demise. Cool, stay wound up.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: (paraphrase) “I won’t accept your answer so I will continue to demand an answer over and over and over, pretending that you won’t answer”.

            Whay are YOU here, Russy?

            When you answer, as you most likely will, I may not be able to respond. The cable is about to be shut off-we had to cough up another increase for our healthcare. Last year, a visit to the cardiologist was $35. Today, it is $65. Obamacare.

          • Russell Byrd

            Oh, fuck your excuses. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN? You are like the boy that cried wolf, except he was not evil like you are. Even if it were true, NO ONE believes anything you say.

            You have quit this discussion at least seven times, and yet you remain.

            I would feel sorrow for a decent person. People are not perfect. We are very flawed. Yet, there is something defective with your very soul.

            If you want out of a bad rap, QUIT. I almost never “chase” anyone. If you want safety, go to Faux Noise or something, and listen to like minded liars. Of course, I do not think you are welcome there. You are too insane, even for them. Go to Brightfart or whatever.

            Think about it liar. If you can’t respond, then you can’t read this anyway!

          • Russell Byrd

            YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT, I HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN . . .

            I AM HERE TO “DESTROY YOUR JOY,” at interrupting conversations in an attempt to destroy rational conversation of those you despise in your psychotic delusions and hate. Yes, HATE. I have told you dozens of time. That is another LITERAL TRUTH.

            You won in one respect. Your last post made me angry. That is a first.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “I have never made a threats, direct or otherwise”

            Running scared? I have to rejoin reality now Russy. When yuo claim to have a weapon and also express the desire to use it, don’t expect them to knock first. Have a super day! Mine is looking better.

          • Russell Byrd

            No, not scared at all. I just told the truth. The provable TRUTH. You should try it sometime.

            As for leaving, you are just a cowardly sack of shit. I told you many times you would run.

            Whatever happened to your CANCELLED DAY. I guess it finally sank in to your thick skull that while you were wasting time in a fruitless campaign against me, you could not apply your shit bucket lying techniques to someone else.

            EXACTLY AS I HAVE PLANNED AND EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID. I told the truth from start to finish, while you lied with even more gusto. What have you gained, besides a surer path to damnation?

            Oh, don’t think I believe you are gone. You have already quit this blog five times in posts to me. So, I cannot forecast the future, and I try to never do so, but your track record says you cannot ever be trusted to speak truth.

            I had you pegged right from the start, all the way to the finish. You are an easy read.

            I realize you think you were playing someone, but maybe, you figured out you were the one played. And I warned you the whole way. So please continue, if you have half a mind. Well, THAT is all you can muster. :-)

          • angelsinca

            Russy wrote: “Whatever happened to your CANCELLED DAY)

            Again, as withmost of your posts, your imagination runs wild. Here is what I wrote verbatim: “If I decide to cancel the day to address your concerns, I might have to list all of your false claims to date. But, I fear this (might) take us right up into October”

            Congratulations-you’re a ‘winner’!. Sorry, but the prize is only you here all by yourself. Your success in chasing off another person from this insignificant comment section within this minor liberal blog will likely result in more opportunity for you to repeat the abuse, falsely accuse, condemn, threaten, boast, ignore, demand, denagrate, hate, loathe and cheat reality.

            See you at the next article, sweetums. Please turn off the light.

          • Russell Byrd

            You know shittums, that is not what you said. I checked the entire blog and you deleted your post. ALL the world is going to know every time we meet again.

            No, I am not a winner, but you are a loser. How can an individual lie as much as you do?

            I have yet to hear even one answer.

            You lie about Obama.
            You lie about Democrats.
            You are a proven bigot.
            You hate your fellow man.
            You wish to deny rights, and even life, to others while justifying your own monopoly of same.

            You are sickeningly insulting, until you think someone in authority is watching. In other words, a coward.
            You lie about leaving.
            You lie about your financial situation.
            You will not respect speech that is Constitutionally protected.
            You will not answer simple questions.
            You cannot read.
            You cannot write properly.
            You falsely accuse others of errors.

            You cannot even make a post about something as mindlessly unnecessary as spelling. Without making multiple errors yourself.

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “As always you avoided answering a pertinent question. Even though I asked it four times”

            Sorry, it must have been hidden by the barrage of insult, personal attack and the usual Byrd BS.

            Just one more time please….what was the question?

          • Russell Byrd

            Why are you really here?

            You even lie about being asked. This question has literally been asked over an hundred times. It was asked almost thirty times in one of our earlier little chats. Then, I even enumerated them as I asked. . . .

            IN FACT, even your question was a lie, because what I asked was in that post. Another question I have asked repeatedly, can you post at all without lying? Maybe, another . . . Do you think anyone respects you for it or is dumb enough not to see your moral decrepitude.

          • angelsinca

            Eureka! I found The Question of the day we have all been waiting for…

            R. Byrd wrote: “So, once again, what are you proving by lying?”

            Lying about what?

            Stay tuned Russy. If I decide to cancel the day to address your concerns, I might have to list all of your false claims to date. But, I fear this take us right up into October. Enjoy your day!

          • Russell Byrd

            At least you proved that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Thinking isn’t either.

            You think you are clever, but just two points. If you had to “cancel the day,” then you have already lost. I am not afraid of your lies, but I will resist until long after you stroke out. So please continue wasting your time.

            You have already listed my “false claims” with your favorite tool. LYING. I have debunked everyone. So you have already lost more ground. Why should I fear when the best you have is worthless.

            Please, “waste your day,” and continue. At the end of your cancelled day, you will have no futher reward.

            Still did not answer the question. Still avoiding. Still lying.

            As to the other question, what are you lying about? Well, just about everything. Please continue. You have run from everyone of these little discussion in the past, and I guarantee you will do so again.

          • Russell Byrd

            Let’s REALLY examine YOUR post. PLEASE, carefully read what I have said about your son near the end. You have heard it before.

            For grins and to lighten the heavy mood, how about if we take just one of your posts in its entirety to try to gain some understanding R. Dyrd, shall we?…

            ***LIE #1 You are dead serious and no mood is getting lightened. I you have a sense of humor, which you don’t, you might make it on sarcasm.

            “You know, I only hate you.”

            Disppointed by the singular emotion.

            ***MISSPELLING, out of context, YOU are the only one here deserving of hate. You claim I hate SOOO much, but the only hate of his fellow man is expressed by you. I only hate the troll that troubles the blog so much.

            “Now, how arrogant can you be.”

            For a person that claims to win a debate via misspellings (that are usually only typos), I’ll have to claim a clear victory on your lack of proper punctuation here.

            ***LIE #2 and I am being generous. The entire lame topic of misspellings and grammar was broached by you. All the while you are committing spelling and grammar blunders, and have been proven to be making false accusations about my usage. So, add hypocrisy to the mix as well. Also, don’t you think this is a petty diversion since your arguments have evaporated.

            “In order for any of your reasoning to be true, you would have to be the only person on the planet that matters.”

            Not really. Truth can be derived from a rock, if no one challenges the rock on its position.

            ***LIE #3 . . . What? You mean Teatardicons do not realize that rocks don’t speak? At least not to the clean and sober. And falsehood is falsehood, pure and simple. Your lies are not a “gray area.” You hate me only because I will not allow them to pass.

            ***The entire point, which was easily understood, is your reasoning only works if no one else matters. At least, your reasoning only works for the people that are already well off, and I am talking about people far above middle class.

            “As you are an insignificant waste of skin, you do not matter.”

            The Children of Bodom could decide to revoke your entire post for your continued and repeated, unauthorized use of its lyric.

            ***LIE #4 . . . I do not listen to your Satanic worshiping music. As for revoking my post, fat chance. That is an old PUBLIC DOMAIN saying that THEY borrowed. Whoever in the f*ck they are. You need to read and become informed instead of worshiping Satan.

            “You made at least two spelling errors and failed to complete a sentence. You left something out. Russ 8, angelturd 0!”

            Your repetitious derisive terminology is like an IQ test. And yes, you did poorly again.

            “You are the one that brought it up.”

            ***NOT AN ARGUMENT. NOT TO THE POINT. In fact, statement is proven right by your inability to give a valid response. For an idiot like you this means, IT IS STILL TRUE.

            Kindergarten returns to the Memo

            ***You never left. Hmm. You left off a period.

            “And you have dropped this point as if it never happened. Just as you always do.”

            Apalling
            grammer and even worse punctuation. I’ll claim three points here. Your
            points are typically vague and mostly unadressable.

            ***LIE #5 and a breathtaking example of total stupidity and hypocrisy. “Apalling” is misspelled. “grammer” is misspelled. “undressable” is mispelled. Spacing is wrong because you tried to assemble this from pieces without repagination. As well, your grammar is worse than mine. I guess you mean “apalling” (snicker, snicker) as a gerund? Then again, you know my words were a direct response to your nonsense. You have just plucked them out of context to make another false point. I must remind you that a “false point” is no point at all. You lose again.

            ***As well, my grammar is fine for an informal “Memo” style post, especially considering if it were considered in context. I guess you are running the “Acorn” playbook again. By the way, your perpetrator settled out of court for cutting that Acorn footage. (100k)

            “As for putting your hands on anything, you are sick…”

            I’m actually quite healthy now. Thanks for the concern.

            “.. and very unwelcome.”

            ***BUT WELL DESERVED. Why do you persist. I have probably asked you near a thousand pertinent questions and you have avoided everyone besides a select few. Yet, even those few answers were lies and nonsense.

            You’re very unwelcome too. I’m claiming a bonues point here for correctly using a difficult homonym.

            ***WHERE? Do you know what a homonym is? No it is not one of your lame insults about gay people. And another MISSPELLING! No bonus here. Plus 0 points for fake homonym, minus 1 for fake claim, minus 1 for misspelling. Equals, minus too. You still have an F-, Teach.

            “When
            you insult, lie, and disrupt for hundreds of posts, a sickeningly
            insincere and SARCASTIC apology is worth absolute SQUAT!”

            I
            didn’t apologiz
            e. I off
            ered assuarnce there is help available for your increasingly obvious
            condition. Its impact on you matches the cost of the offering and how
            much your refusal effects me.

            ***My point was plain. You couched it as an apology. OF COURSE, IT WAS NOT A REAL APOLOGY. THAT WAS MY POINT. Just insincerity and sarcasm because you have nothing reasonable to say. . . . What EVERYONE calls a smart ass.

            “You are nothing more than a criminal.”

            No
            arrests here ever, outside of a brief detention for verbal altercation
            with a verbally abusive cop that was admonished by the judge for
            ilegally detaining me. You remind me of that cop. Another point scored
            agianst you for being wrong, again.

            ***Of course, you were not at fault. Snicker, snicker, snicker. The point that I well expressed was you exhibit the prime behavior of a criminal. You do! TOO MANY SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS FOR ME TO BOTHER WITH. Remember, this was your topic since your lies were all debunked. I AM RIGHT AGAIN!!!!! So another minus one for you. They are soon going to revoke your license, Teach!

            ” (ciminality) Runs in the family I understand. ”

            Point
            for incomplete senstence. I will make this one perfectly clear for you,
            Byrd. My adult son accepted a 15 yr plea bargain for defending himself
            against a thug that stalked then assaulted him, stealing $8k he had for
            the shop rent. After hitting my son in the head with a hammer, my son
            grabbed a Glock and shot at the truck fender demanding his money back.
            1) the thief was an informant for the Feds. 2) the informant turned so
            me of th
            e money over to local police and that evidence vanished. 3) the Da
            threatened my son with 110 years so he did the math since the lawyer did
            his wife 4) the family is hopeful he will be released next year after
            having served several years already 5) an investigator seems to have
            disappeared after we gave him $6K when he assured us he had information
            favorable to our son’s case. 7) the FBI is interested in the local
            corruption.

            ***You wasted your wind there. I have no way of knowing if any of that is true or not. My judgment is based on the fact that you are a chronic liar and a very real Sociopath that blames others for everything wrong around you. INCLUDING, YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR. I have dealt with your kind for years. The jails are full of them.

            If you care to make anymore asshole claims of
            criminality running in the family, you should get your facts straight,
            dipshit. Kndergarten is closed. You lose.

            ***My facts were straight, dipshit. I disposed of everyone of your arguments with plausible facts. All the while you are worried about piss ant spelling standards that you cannot conceivably approach yourself.

            ***You lose. You got an F minus. There is no hope or opportunity of any make-up grades

            ***”Dipshit Kindergarten” is still open . . . . You are still here.

            2:23 a.m., Tuesday Sept. 24

            ***Do you really think by putting a time stamp on this trash that you can claim the last post. You are one sick piece of filth.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “, carefully read what I have said about your son near the end.”

            No thanks. Anything else you have to say is now just lost in your own BS.

          • Russell Byrd

            Here is the really funny, no actually sad, part of this. I read the Memo daily, I rarely post except when you bullying liars show up, I get along fine, with few exceptions. I can make some claim to belong here.

            You only come to disrupt. You lie and bully. You have no claim to belong here.

            Now the sticking point is, using the above statements and a little common sense, YOU COULD GO TO ANY RIGHT-WACKJOB SITE YOU WANT AND YOU WOULD NEVER SEE ME AGAIN.

            If you do not care to read what I have said, then why are you posting to me. All I want you to do is leave and remain gone. WE WILL LIKELY NEVER MEET AGAIN. The “pleasure” of your presence is entirely at your own discretion. (I know, that was over your head, but try to get a feel for it.) SO, ffor well over the hundredth time, without an answer yet, why are you here?

            Don’t think I bought the bit about not reading my post. You do not have the self control (that I DO) to not read what I have said. How else can you get yourself fired up, again.

            Please continue, you sick b*st*rd

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “You have no claim to belong here.”

            This represents how ‘your ilk’ treats the other half of America. The supposed caring you boast about is legendary. We just loooovvvve what you’ve done with the place. Ask any of the 47 million now living in poverty.

            Don’t you have to go to work to inflict further abuse on your charges? Especially the ones that are honest about how they see this president. Maybe another swift elbow in the ribs will convince them how wrong they are.

          • Russell Byrd

            So 15% of America lives in poverty. When you had your way it was 40%, with 40% more just getting by. If you got your way again, it would be 50%, and no one would be “getting by” except for your chosen few. Guess what, your lame ass would be starving too. You have no aptitude except for carping and lying. Not exactly assets for making a living.

            I guess you have money tied up in stocks, and you must sell your literal soul to keep the prayer of that money flowing. Well, when you finally “grab your chest” for the last time, remember me and my warnings.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “Guess what, your lame ass would be starving too.”

            We are. Thanks for the empathy. But, unlike you, we won’t take the Obama handouts. We don’t sell our votes.

            Sorry to disappoint, but I fully expect to survive this day, despite your evil wishes otherwise. You have an extra fine day too, Russy. Mine already is.

          • Russell Byrd

            Angelshitinca, I do not abuse anyone, except abusive garbage like you. I am justice driven. I am the guy you want as an ally.

            There is a problem, however. Listen closely . . . I can entertain the fact that you are telling the truth about your legal encounters. The system is full of bad operators and bad motivations. YET, all you are interested in is your CLAIMED innocence, while everyone else that you think is “greasy” can BE DAMNED. Some fair minded individual you are.

            Of course, that fits with your “all for me and none for thee” mentality:

            Yet again, a perfect synopsis of your morals and politics:
            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
            John Kenneth Galbraith

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote: “I am the guy you want as an ally”

            Uh, no. Allies aren’t feared.

            If you truly understood conservatives outside your own perceptions and conditioning, you would know that the conservative would freely give the clothing off his/her own back if the liberal hadn’t already taken it.

          • Russell Byrd

            You lied again. You are still here after you lamely telling me off. And I predicted same, and told you the truth, again.

            No, no, no . . . we know you very well. The conservative would talk about the fact that you need a new set of clothes AFTER he has STOLEN them off of your back. We have a system that gives too much advantage to those that scheme and very little to those that work. That is why the poor are so wretched and the middle class is floundering. ALL we want is balance, but that would mean your filthy heroes would have to settle for a little less.

            Angelshit, we want freedom and equality and opportunity for ALL. You just want those things for people you approve of. That is why you ARE a bigot and racist, and one of the most prolific liars I have ever met. You pick and chose who you like. Everyone else can go to Hell. Of course, there will always be a special place for you there.

            I never alluded to working in a “penal” institution, as such, but I do deal with insanity and I know what it is when I see it.

            Read up on Projection. Maybe, you will understand the Teatards and yourself.

          • angelsinca

            R. Byrd wrote (in caps): “AND YOU HATE EVERYONE NOT HAVING YOUR NARROW VIEWS”

            No hate here, Russy. Not even toward you. You forgot about the hugs and kisses already?

            You have to be feeling pretty foolish by now. Maybe not. That emotion is only shared by those capable of being honest with themselves and others. Peace, love.

          • Russell Byrd

            What a Hell bound, hypocritical liar you are! Sheesh . . .

      • Russell Byrd

        Wish I had not read these in reverse order. So, once again: What a Hell bound, hypocritical liar you are! Sheesh . . .

        You cannot even tell a consistent lie from one post to the next.

    • nomoretraitors

      If you read the entire Bible instead of just the parts you want, you’d find a passage that says if a man will not work, he will not eat.
      And since you seem to be in such a generous mood, can I quit my job and you’ll pay all my bills?

      • jnsgraphic

        Thessalonians: The one who is ‘unwilling’ to work shall not eat… and yes, there are too many people taking advantage of the system but there are those that need it. Before they cut funding they should all try and live on $4.50 a day for a week and see how long they last, or see how long they’d last without having their pockets lined by the greed at the top.

        • nomoretraitors

          I am not against helping those in need. But a half century of Great Society welfare has fostered a dependency mentality where a segment of society takes no responsibility for the choices they’ve made in life. If you get addicted to drugs, compile a criminal record, get pregnant before graduating high school or have multiple children with multiple fathers who are unable and unwilling to support them, you can expect to be poor and should not demand entitlements from those who worked hard and made responsible choices. For me to quit my job and expect the rest of society to support me is arrogant and irresponsible.

      • Russell Byrd

        I think you just demonstrated breathtaking hypocrisy. You obviously only read the parts you want.

        As for quitting your job, yeah unfortunately, we probably would feed you. However, your bit about paying your bills shows how intent you are on spreading lies. They will come and take your fancy car and house, and you can live on the street or in a roach motel. In truth, I would like you to receive the treatment that Huckabee suggested. That some would have to die is be an unfortunate, but necessary, part of the capitalist paradigm. So, if I had a choice, this would be one time I would agree with him.

        I interject some small facts here. The average individual on some form of assistance, hold your breath now, WORKS. AND typically, they are not illegal immigrants. These are well established facts. And more people would work if there were jobs. Especially, jobs that reward them with enough to survive. When you claim that assistance makes people dependent, what else would they be dependent on? Work a sh*tty job where you cannot possibly pay your bills and get treated like garbage. I bet you would not do it. As for bettering one self, certainly, but if everyone did, then you would be out of work and starving because there would be no one to help. That is, if you get your way. So, I know you will keep hating AND lying.

        On the other hand, for Christians, the most important part of the Bible, AND its entire rationale for existence in the Christian world, is the teachings and actions of Jesus of Nazareth. That is . . . Christ. Without Him the Bible is nothing. Believing otherwise is black letter blasphemy.

        Christ DID NOT teach what a teascusting, right-wacker believes. He taught very much the opposite.

        • nomoretraitors

          I made one simple statement. So where do you see I’m lying and hating? (And if I were a liberal I wouldn’t touch the issue of hypocrisy with a 25-foot pole).

          For the record, I am not against helping those in need. And yeah, there are people out there who are working poor. But a half century of Great Society welfare has fostered a dependency mentality where a segment of society takes no responsibility for the choices they’ve made in life. If you get addicted to drugs, compile a criminal record, get pregnant before graduating high school or have multiple children with multiple fathers who are unable and unwilling to support them, you can expect to be poor and should not demand entitlements from those who worked hard and made responsible choices. For me to quit my job and expect the rest of society to support me is arrogant and irresponsible.

          • Russell Byrd

            I, of course, am not saying they are all innocent, but I would rather feed the five freeloaders than starve the ninety-five. Even then, feeding them slows the crimes that the worst five percent will commit. It is the right, Christian thing to do.

            You claim that you are not against helping those in need. Yet, you stereotype them to the point that almost no one is deserving. That attitude represents a functional lie. Very, very few of these people quit their jobs, so you told another one. Then, you go on about they are all drug users. YES, you do. You do not make any exceptions. Then it is criminal records. Then it’s multiple fathers. Then it is a demand for entitlements. Then its pregnant in high school. That alone brings up one of the problems with your mobs lies.

            YOU never forgive. That in a nation that your creepy cohorts claims is Christian. A religion based on the teachings of a guy that did little else but demonstrate truth, charity, forgiveness, and service to his fellow man. You sh*ts don’t believe a word of it. You drone on and on. Ninety-five percent of these people WANT JOBS and A BETTER LIFE. FORTY percent already work. What else would I call someone that is driven by bigotry, racism, and a refusal to consider AND speak the truth. You are not only a liar, but a GD LIAR!

            No on expected you to take care of these people alone. Many of these people want jobs, but either have little skill, in general, or little skill in acquiring jobs. And you dirtbags, with your SOCIAL DARWINIST attitudes should honestly answer one question. At one time, there were at least ten million people seeking jobs, but only one million jobs to go around. I have worked for a number of corporations, government, and private sector jobs to know that many of those jobs were not really even open. Now if everyone of those people wanted a job, WHAT WERE THEY GOING TO DO? (I could extend that to ask, what are they STILL going to do?)

            The private sector is only interested in big profits, not the health of the country. So that leaves government as the sole entity to try to solve the problems. BUT CREATE JOBS? H*LL NO, is what trash like you say. Until one of you scumbags finally TELLS THE TRUTH and faces the pertinent questions, then you are a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE. And that is just on one issue.

            If everyone was as ambitious and as skilled as your lot claims they should be, then you would be on your knees in the street begging. Your employers would replace you with the new “wonders.” You aught to be happy to buy the excess populace off so they don’t rise and take your precious, and very corrupt, capitalism away from you.

            Now, off-topic, look at the election frauds, Acorn, and voter ID. NO, I REPEAT, NO voter fraud of any consequence has ever been found, even by right-wing investigators. SO WHY is it you are always yelling about it. MORE, and it is proven, more often than not the small amount of voter fraud is committed by one of your boy wonders.

            Look at Acorn. A totally contrived scandal, with racists undertones, to destroy an organization that was getting people to the poles to exercise not only their rights, but their responsibilities. LOOK it up, the author of the whole scandal recently settled with the Acorn employee that got fired. The agreed payoff was 100K. He pled no contest and admitted that he edited and respliced the conversation.

            Want to talk about wealth redistribution, I work with quite a number of people that have not had a raise in fourteen years. That in an era of record profits. Even before the income tax became law, the robber barons did not make so much money. Myself, I had one raise in the last seven years. A statutory one on my first anniversary. Right now, after adjustments for REAL inflation, my salary is worth no more than seventy
            percent of what it was when I started.

            How about germandering. Voter ID laws THAT ARE ADMITTED to exist only to discourage the poor from voting. YES, ADMITTED.

            You evil f*ck ups are only interested in causing misery and carping all the time. You are not the people that created ANYTHING, and you will destroy this Democracy that I love so much if you are allowed.

            Having this conversation is totally pointless. You asked a question, but you want to feel justified in being right, but DO NOTHING to BE RIGHT. That is the most EVIL FORM of ENTITLEMENT that there is. I have busted your sh*t wide open again, but I bet you do not even read this.

            I really expect you to have read up on one thing before you reply. Look up PROJECTION as a psychological mechanism. It is one of the major elements in your pathology of hatred for your fellow man. Let me just say in advance, that when you make another hateful reply denying all of this, that YOU WILL ONLY BE PROVING, ONCE AGAIN, THAT YOU ARE A LIAR.

          • nomoretraitors

            “You claim that you are not against helping those in need. Yet, you stereotype them to the point that almost no one is deserving. That attitude represents a functional lie. Very, very few of these people quit their jobs, so you told another one. Then, you go on about they are all drug users. YES, you do. You do not make any exceptions”
            WRONG, WALL LOCKER BREATH
            Do not presume to tell me what I said or didn’t say. Yes, there are hardship situations, but if you engage in the aforementioned behaviors (by your own choice) you WILL end up in poverty.
            You far left whackos are evil, hateful b*st*rds who have NO interest in democracy or freedom. And you have NO interest in the poor, other than to keep them poor to maintain your own power. You have only ONE goal, and that is the destruction of the very system that has brough prosperity and freedom to millions — the FREE MARKET system. Instead, you have a perverted agenda of wealth redistribution (aka THEFT) to create a “social justice” utopia which has never existed and never will.
            .

          • Russell Byrd

            If you remove the spite, the vitriol, the never ending stupidity, THEN YOU TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I SAID.

            As far as trying to destroy the “system,” that is a lie that you keep telling to justify your evil meanness.

            All capitalism, and especially today, is interested in is profit. While that is good for them, it is not really good for most of the people. (I won’t bother discussing what Christ said about that. AND many other good, decent people.) Certainly not for anyone that works, or is poor, or works AND is poor. If it is not for the government to off-set the damage they do and set some controls on their avarice, GOD HELP US ALL.

            We “far left wackos” are ONLY interested in freedom and Democracy. We do not believe that moneyed interests should buy our govenment, nor steal the value of what the REAL wealth creators accumulate.

            Get some economic knowledge. A free market system is not the final word on economic advancement. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE ONE.

            What a pervert like you is saying is, “the people have no right to redistribute what the RICH HAVE STOLEN.” No one has ever claimed to be able to create “a social Utopia,” that is, except you liars. What we are trying to create is a system that makes a constant attempt to be better and more fair. ALL human achievement has been based on that pursuit of Utopia, but no one has, nor will ever, reach it.

            I truly hope that you have a 401k, etc., an IRA, and a full investment portfolio. Trading ones very soul for absolutely nothing would be an incredible tragedy, if it were not so sickeningly funny.

          • Russell Byrd

            Here is your link. You might even do the right thing here, if you follow my meaning.

            https://action.sumofus.org/a/lawsuits-fundraiser/

  • Speak up!

    The GOP: pro-life from conception to birth. If a member of the Taliban was an America citizen he would vote Republican.

    • tax payer

      That would give us more votes, so maybe that’s not such a bad idea.

  • Kansan

    I was talking to an acquaintance a month or so ago and she said that she had seen food stamp recipients buying lobster and then leaving the supermarket in a Cadillac.

    I figured that was quite a coincidence. I’d just read something like that in reader feedback.

    Food stamps. Lobster. Driving an Escalade.

    I live 60 miles from the nearest supermarket that even sells lobster. I’ve never seen anyone in my county driving an Escalade.

    What an amazing coincidence. I guessing that my local acquaintance must have been the second person to see that person buying lobster with SNAP and then followed her outside to see what she was driving.

    Now I still wasn’t sure, so I checked on the Internet.

    Sure enough it is true.

    Here’s from a poster at FreeRepublic.com Now I know they’d never lie about something like that:

    Yep. Several years ago, I was standing behind a woman at the checkout counter. She had lobster and steaks. I was thinking “Sure would be nice to have that”. She paid for it with food stamps. I thought, “What the heck, maybe it’s an anniversary”. I went out and saw her get into her new Ford Pickup.
    52 posted on Thursday, May 26, 2011 1:36:09 PM by blueunicorn6 (“A crack shot and a good dancer”)

    (Must have left the Cadillac home.)

    • FILLMOE4LIFE

      The right wore out that oldass lie about foodstamps, cadillacs n lobster..Same old tired lie..

  • FILLMOE4LIFE

    Dikhead Thurston, its called paying your way you pig..Schools, Roads, Firefighters, Police, clean water, clean air, defense, medical.. .Shit you and your family use Everyda.. Taxes are at an all time low right now.. Why is it that its always old white men that benifited from this society always bitching about stupidshit he heard on a talkshit

  • FILLMOE4LIFE

    Dikhead Thurston, Shut your old ass up.. Be happy your white

  • nomoretraitors

    I don’t object to helping people but when you behave irresponsibly (take drugs, compile a criminal record, have children before finishing high school, have multiple children with multiple partners that you are unable and unwilling to support), why is it the rest of society’s responsibility to take care of you?

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