By Joe Conason

The ‘Missing Evidence’ In Romney’s Tax Records

August 6, 2012 12:32 am Category: Memo Pad, Politics 598 Comments A+ / A-
The ‘Missing Evidence’ In Romney’s Tax Records

Harry Reid has provoked outrage among liberals as well as conservatives, who seem to believe he has violated propriety by repeating gossip about Mitt Romney’s taxes. The Senate leader says someone connected with Romney told him that the Republican candidate paid no income taxes for a period of ten years. Offended by Reid’s audacity, commentators on the right have indicted him for  “McCarthyism” while others on the left have accused him of inventing the whole story.

Evidently the chief complaint against Reid — aside from aggressiveness unbecoming a Democrat — is that he cited “an extremely credible source” who he has so far declined to name.  Some journalists have gone so far as to suggest that Reid must be lying because he won’t identify the source.

Despite all this righteous tut-tutting among the great and the good, in newspapers and magazines as well as on television, Reid’s critics simply have no way of knowing whether he is telling the truth or not. From the beginning, Reid himself admitted forthrightly that he has no way of being absolutely certain whether what he was told is factual or not, although he believes the person who said it was being truthful.

Many of Reid’s critics work for news outlets that rely on unnamed sources every day, of course, publishing assertions that range from the mundane to the outlandish. It is hard to see why an unnamed source quoted by a daily newspaper or a monthly magazine – or hidden behind a screen in a TV studio – is more credible than a person whispering in the ear of a United States Senator.

Indeed, several of the news outlets now barking at Reid have suffered their own episodes of scandalous embarrassment due to the exposure of invented sources and quotes (see Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass, etc. etc. etc.). Yet they nevertheless continue to publish quotes from such unnamed individuals. After all, where else would Reid have learned that this is acceptable conduct?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    Reid may have gone too far, but until Mitt makes his tax returns public, like most presidential candidates do, he is fair game. If he has nothing to hide, and he has been “paying the taxes required by law” (nothing or almost nothing after using every loophole and deduction – think Rafalca – in the book), why does he refuse to make his tax records public? Mitt Romney is not a victim of vicious attacks, he is paying for his greed and ruthless behavior.

    • montanabill

      Your statement on ‘paying for greed and ruthless behavior’, is nothing more than envy and ignorance showing through. I suspect that, in your mind, people (strike that), Republican people, can’t be successful without being greedy, ruthless, lucky or what have you. You probably don’t see Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry or Jay Rockefeller in the same light, do you?

      • WhutHeSaid

        One doesn’t have to be envious or ignorant to face facts. Romney has painted himself into a box — it’s as simple as that. He has to release his tax returns, and common sense — envious or not — will tell you that there’s something very damaging to his political aspirations to be found in those returns. It’s like being caught on a chair near the cookie jar, but refusing to open your hands when asked about your suspicious position. No one is going to believe there aren’t cookie crumbs to be found there until you prove otherwise.

        • montanabill

          Have you used the same logic on Obama”s college history?

          • Cynic17

            What does Obama’s college history have to do with anything? When did Presidents and presidential candidates start releasing their academic records?

            If you can’t see the difference between these two scenarios, Bill, then that’s on you.

          • montanabill

            I would ask, “What do Mitt Romney’s old tax returns have to do with anything since the IRS is not questioning them?”. You know full well the only thing Democrats want them released for is the hope of finding some tidbit to continue to demonize Romney. And it wouldn’t make one bit of difference whether it was a legal deduction or donation. For the President, about the only history we have on him is his semi-fictional autobiographies. His college career was the biggest piece of his life prior to getting into Chicago politics, so his educational record is fair game.

          • Scarlet Glitterati

            The IRS only questions legal/illegal. There is the ethical/Patriotic category as well. Mr. Romney is campaigning on his “business experience.” I want to know how he ran his business. How did he get $100 million in an IRA? Did he get amnesty from the IRS for his Swiss Bank Account? How much salary did he earn after he “retroactively retired?” What effective tax rate has he paid?

          • montanabill

            Oh, so you get to decide what is ethical/Patriotic. Big money in an IRA? (not really a good idea since the Dems would like to appropriate them for another spending pot) Look up SEP-IRA. I can tell you how he ran his business: very well. Effective tax rate? The legal and required rate.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/KB6HJKBD54QV6VTRQARHZLMN24 Dan

            Everyone thinks his taxes are ok the IRS only looks at less than 1% of the countrys taxes so they might not hve been seen at all.

          • montanabill

            Naive. You don’t think anyone at the White House hasn’t pushed the IRS to look into Romney’s tax returns? These are Chicago politicians.

          • karinursula

            I would think so would be Romneys. I don’t see you asking Romney for his college grades

          • montanabill

            I wouldn’t have any problem asking for Romney’s grades. The difference is that Obama’s career and resume are based on his education, Romney’s is not. Romney has proved that whatever education he received at BYU is was effective enough for him to become extremely successful. Whereas, so far, Obama has not proved to be much of a useful success at anything. Of his career, I am very much reminded of the movie, “Being There”. All this to-do over Romney’s tax returns is nothing more than a distraction to keep you from thinking about the 23,000,000+ unemployed and under-employed, the absolutely enormous debt growing at an ever more alarming rate, and the loss of the middle class because of the President’s anti-business policies.

          • WhutHeSaid

            By all means climb to the highest rooftop and shout how Obama’s college transcripts prove that….er, well….what was that they were supposed to prove?

          • montanabill

            About as much as Romney’s old tax returns. (that are not being questioned by the IRS)

          • StephenMcDonald

            1st of all the IRS doesn’t release anyone’s tax returns publicly,that is between them and the individual. If there were criminal charges against Mitt levied by the IRS, then they might be made public.
            But running for POTUS all candidates have released multiple yrs. of tax returns. What makes Mitt special? He provided John McCain with 26 yrs. worth,but the American public only gets to see 2 yrs.
            The point is that Mitt enjoyed tax loopholes that middle class citizens can’t take advantage of and therefore paid a higher percentage of taxes.
            That is why he hasn’t released them. The rich pay little or no taxes at all compared to what 98% of America does.

          • montanabill

            Are you kidding? All criminal charges are public and the White House team would certainly have them even if they weren’t.
            Here is an exercise for you if you have a tax preparation program. Give yourself a $4M income and then see just how many tax loopholes or deductions you can use. It should be an eye-opener for you. The old wives tale that the rich pay little or no taxes is also easily refuted with a little research that will show they pay an average 24% on their income while those in the average income group pay 5%. On your $4M income, I’ll bet your effective tax rate is 33% and your loop holes are zero.

          • old_blu

            bill, I don’t question his tax returns, I think they are completely legal, I question why he don’t want us to see them.

          • montanabill

            Pretty simple. Whether legitimate or not, any deduction he took will be demonized by the Dems. If Harry was so sure of his claim, he wouldn’t have done it on the Senate floor which protects him from legal recourse.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lynda.wilson.10 Lynda Wilson

            I’m led to believe Mr Romney’s father must have paid for his (MittWit’s) college diploma, because the man is dumber than dirt and did nothing but pranks in school…

          • montanabill

            I’m glad you were a classmate of his…or is he dumber than dirt because he doesn’t agree with you and was able create a very successful career in spite of it?

          • BDD1951

            He wants to go into Iran so badly, I want to know how many of his sons are going to go. We need to reinstate the draft and then there won’t be useless wars like Iraq.

          • montanabill

            Did you get that from Joe Scarborough? I haven’t heard him saying a word about going to Iran.

          • BDD1951

            Where have you been? That was what was being discussed with his buddy in Israel.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            He A Butt Kissing and Sucker Of The Rich Man Romney Can Do No Wrong!! Damn Troll!! Not Only Iran He Got His Eyes On Russia Too Just Like Sarah Palin Dumb Ass!!!

          • BDD1951

            Say What????

          • montanabill

            Post the transcript.

          • metrognome3830

            Oh, there’s a lot of things you haven’t heard Bill. That’s quite obvious from your posts.

          • montanabill

            Yeah, but I like to stick with the true stuff.

          • metrognome3830

            Yeah, your true stuff is no more true than my true stuff. It’s all mostly opinion, innuendo and outright lies, Bill. All we can do is try to find the truth. Yours is different from mine. You think I don’t know what’s going on. I believe that you don’t know what’s going on. And that’s probably how we will be until something happens to make one or the other of us change our minds.

          • montanabill

            Just takes a little research on other than political sites, metro.

          • metrognome3830

            Bill, I have researched other political sites. Left, Right, Middle, and off the wall. My opinions are my own, formed by reading material on all sides and through personal experience. I will gladly admit to leaning to the left, if I have to describe my views. I personally approach any political discourse with a great deal of skepticism, but there are still a few sources that maintain a high degree of impartiality.

          • montanabill

            Fair enough.

          • TheSkalawag929

            Sarcasm and deflection do not dissuade an inquiring mind.

          • montanabill

            Then do meaningful inquiries.

          • TheSkalawag929

            Montanabill you need to get out and meet other people that don’t look and think like you.

          • RUKIDENME

            Montanabill is not allowed to leave the secured ward. He is the brightest bulb in the ward.

          • Pat Herold

            Are you a birther too?

          • montanabill

            Did I mention birth?

          • 081476

            MTBILL
            what does obama college history got to do with someone possibly lying on his FEDERAL TAXES! Taking offshore hidden accounts and then go in front of the public and lie about it? Do you have Bush college records? Do you have McCain’s, Reagan’s? Presidential candidates release tax records, never seen it as a prerequisite for college records. Or are you just trying to justify Mitt’s crooked behavior?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marilyn-Furrie/100000257062158 Marilyn Furrie

            what has college history to do with taxes??????????????You want to know if he attended look at their year books. You simply do not want to believe that a black man is intelligent enough to go to college or be president. The onus of that is on YOU not on POTUS. The controversy about mitss secrecy is that he is running on his business accumen and he needs to show us that he is legitamately a great business icon he preports to be. He also needs to convince us that he is truthful and thats a big step he refuses to take .He wants blind trust.

          • montanabill

            Other than a couple of semi-fictional autobiographies, the President’s primary history is his college career. Since much has been made of it, particularly how brilliant he is, why not make the record public. And why did you inject race?
            The IRS has no beef with Romney’s tax returns, so why should you? You wouldn’t understand them even if you had them in your hands. Here’s a clue on why he might be a good businessman: $250 million and the tax returns he has released.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Because questioning Obama’s college transcripts is a birther tactic — nothing more.

            The IRS will never have the resources to scrutinize Romney’s returns like they would be if they were released, and you know it. Even if something is legal, it may cause real issues for his election campaign — such as finding enough loopholes to pay zero. While legal in a strict sense, the American public would find it distasteful for a man who makes that much money to pay a lower tax rate than the poorest of the working class. There are many of these potential ‘gotchas’ and I’m willing to bet his returns are chock full of them.

          • montanabill

            That is exactly what the Democrats are looking for, something, even if its legal, to go tsk-tsk about. You know full well, the White House has already asked experts in the IRS to fine tooth comb Romney’s returns for anything that could be questioned. So like Obama’s birth certificate, this is a witch hunt. Hey, but maybe we could find something in Obama’s college records, if he would release them.
            The poorest (and even not so poor) working class pay no income taxes, so I doubt Romney’s rate is below theirs. Remember my Buffett example. I noticed that you not only didn’t have a problem with him fighting for a lower tax bill, but you also missed what will happen to his current and future tax bills as the result of the deductions he will get for donating to the Gates foundation. An even lower tax rate.
            I guess that’s all right because he’s Obama’s poster boy for ‘the rich aren’t paying their fair share’.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Of course Democrats are looking at Romney’s returns — that’s to be expected. The bigger issue, though, is what the American public will think about whatever may be in those returns. Perhaps his returns will endear him to the working class — but somehow I doubt it. It is customary to release multiple years of tax returns when running for the highest job in the land, but Mitt Romney is a special case as well: He has repeatedly attacked political opponents for not releasing their returns — even their spouses returns. He has been caught in compromising situations with respect to this before. As one of the wealthiest men to ever run for the office of President, hiding his returns does not look good.

            Your claim that Buffett is ‘fighting for a lower tax bill’ is hogwash. As far as I can tell he’s just trying to get it straightened out. And none of this matters one whoop when it comes to Romney — or you, for that matter. Neither Romney nor you get any breaks just because Buffett has issues — it’s irrelevant. That you would call Obama the ‘poster boy’ for ‘the rich aren’t paying their fair share’ is notable since it may be exactly what gets Obama re-elected. The middle class is tired of seeing their wealth diminish while watching the top 1% rocket upward. That’s a recipe for real unrest, and if you had better sense you’d realize that if things aren’t balanced out now there may come a REAL day of reckoning (Think 100% tax brackets). Greed eventually backfires when taken too far.

          • montanabill

            The problem is, only 1% of the public would even begin to understand his returns. Therefore, all the d. masses know is sound bites they hear.
            Look at history. It is NOT customary to release tax years for years prior to assuming the Presidency. Most did it only during the years of their Presidency.
            If you actually subscribe to the theory that Buffett is only trying to ‘straighten it out’, then you are truly naive.
            Now, tell me why the middle class is seeing their wealth diminish. Do you really think it is because those above them aren’t paying enough taxes? Or could it be that this President is so anti-business that businesses are hunkering down, waiting for the nightmare to be over. Layoffs, consolidating resources and holding capital for future expansion…are these things going on? Which class does that impact?
            Which party wins if there is real unrest? Would they work to foment it?
            You need to understand, Whut, that the middle class is the product of American business, not American government. If you really want to see the middle rise, then you need to work to get American business moving again.
            Finally, use a little imagination. Pretend that you have created a business that needs capital to grow. The best and cheapest way to get that capital is through your own sales. Now how would you feel about 100% tax rates?

          • WhutHeSaid

            The ‘masses’ don’t have to understand the intricacies of the returns. All they need is for Romney to hide/not hide them — that’s going to be his downfall. The general public isn’t quite as stupid as you seem to think, and many of them are CPAs and tax attorneys — in case you didn’t know.

            You really need to get off your Buffett kick. Buffett isn’t running for President. Buffett’s returns have nothing whatever to do with Romney’s returns. Such an obvious diversion is becoming boring.

            If you think that anyone is going to believe that decades of middle class wealth erosion is the retroactive result of 3 years of the Obama administration’s policies, then you need to quit smoking that wacky weed before posting. The Bush/Cheney years blew a MASSIVE hole in the budget, and started this latest experiment in ‘trickle-down’ economics. Tax cuts for the wealthy (read: job creators) didn’t work for 10 years, so why should we expect it to work now?

            You need to understand that the US Government IS the people, or at least it’s supposed to be. This country is not a plutocracy despite the fact that you obviously wish it was. This country does not exist to make money — it’s not a business. You do not get a vote per dollar. I know that the Koch Brothers and their wannabes (such as yourself) are trying their level best to head in this direction, but I believe that it’s going to fail in a big way. Why? Because in order to get support for this plot the plutocrats have had to get into bed with the most sordid, nutty, reckless political characters in the history of the GOP. They aren’t satisfied to push that old whopper about ‘small business’ needing tax breaks without attacking women’s rights, minorities, the youth, and a host of other social issues that are important to real people.

            You never answered whether you consider yourself a small business. That’s because if you told the truth, your ‘taxes on the wealthy will hurt small businesses’ lie would dry up and blow away. Small businesses are NOT billionaires or millionaires, nor are they multinational or even multi-state conglomerates. Small businesses are largely middle class people who have a little capital to invest in a startup company. They aren’t the ones funding these super PACs that are pushing the nutty Tea Party characters. That’s people like the Koch Brothers. Sure, some small businesses support GOP candidates, but just as many support Democratic ones. Neither party has been particularly helpful to small business.

            Do you think that you’re the first greedy businessman to come out and tell whoppers to attempt to convince the public about the horrible hardships suffered by the wealthy? NOT. You need to remember how you got started — the REAL way — not your pipe-dream about a superior intellect and a can of magic-business-beans. Start where you had the fortune to happen to live in the wealthiest country on earth. It didn’t get that way just by virtue of business people running amok. The general public (read: Government) did and does have a lot to do with it. You wouldn’t be out here with your plaintive wails about how taxing small business (which you aren’t anyway) will destroy the country if it didn’t.

            At the end of the day, after all of your whoppers and convoluted excuses, you still just come off as a greedy ingrate. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

          • montanabill

            The DNC must really laugh when they see their smoke taken seriously.

          • msm859

            By your definition Al Capone was a good businessman. Would you vote for him to be president? Would you vote for Romney if a couple years ago he took the amnesty program for failing to pay taxes on foreign accounts? Everyone says the tax code needs reforming, do you want to elect the fox to guard the hen house? This all has Nothing to do with envy. Warren Buffet says taxes should be raised on the rich, Romney says they should be lowered. If everyone saw his tax returns we would all know how ludicrous his position is. How many American jobs has Romney created the last 10 years with his special tax treatment?

          • montanabill

            Just a little sobering msm859. Buffett is a smart businessman. He has a tax problem he has been fighting with the IRS. So he goes to Obama and tells him he’ll help demonize the rich with his secretary story. Instant friend of Obama, and oh by the way friend, can you help me with this IRS business? He also knows full well that the Republican controlled House is not going to raise his taxes with the economy in its current shambles. In the meantime, while complaining he isn’t paying enough taxes, he donates billions to the Gates Foundation. Now he could have simply sent that money to government, but by donating to a charitable cause, he’ll have a whopping deduction for years. So he’ll pay an even lower rate.
            Al Capone never convinced the Feds he filed a correct return. So far, I haven’t heard that the IRS has a problem with Romney, so maybe you are just listening to too much petty demonization. The number of jobs Romney created less the jobs lost, far exceed anything the President is taking credit for. (He always leaves out the ‘lost’ category)
            One final thought: the tax code doesn’t need reforming. It needs thrown out and a far simpler code enacted without special interest deductions for everything under the sun.

          • karinursula

            you have not answered the question. Why only Presidents Obama college transcripts, but
            not the other Presidents?

          • concreteblue

            They weren’t black, for starters…

          • montanabill

            I have answered it in other posts, but here’s why: Obama’s career is based on his college years. He has not achieved much during his professional years except getting elected. His achievements in any of those elected positions are negligible, so it opens the door to the question, was he really a great student that simply can’t translate the education to the real world, or was he such a good speaker that he bluffed his way through. History is full of characters who’s speaking abilities carried them to great heights but couldn’t translate into substantive success. Romney’s education at BYU would be an issue, if he hadn’t already proved that he can achieve success at many levels.

          • turnipgreens

            We gotta go there again? Won’t you people let this man have his dues? Face it, there are black people that are smart too.

          • montanabill

            Who said anything about race? That appears to be your hangup.

          • sensalik

            yes

          • montanabill

            I’m chuckling!

          • sensalik

            Those passionate about the wrong things for the wrong reasons usually do. It’s a nervous reaction.

          • montanabill

            You are right! I am nervous about the empty suit winning the White House again and at least four more years of economic disaster with 23 million people remaining out of work. We can’t keep unemployment benefits going that long and we can’t put all those people on Social Security disability.

          • sensalik

            No we can not , but we can put them to work if the GOP would pass the President’s job bill.

          • montanabill

            The President doesn’t have a ‘jobs bill’ and you know it. It just another ‘let’s go deeper in debt’ bill. Business creates jobs, not throwing money at politicians favorite boondoggles.

          • sensalik

            You can’t argue truth away, you may not like it but it always prevail.

          • montanabill

            Since I appear to be missing something, how about you telling me just how the President’s ‘Jobs Bill’ will create permanent, good paying jobs? Your gloss over answer is too easy. Let’s hear some real details.

          • sensalik

            You are not missing anything, you know what the facts are and you know your motives for ignoring them.

          • montanabill

            Ducked the question again. How can I learn if you won’t supply the answers?

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/UT65ONRU6FIXEMJCAKM7GAMYAI Jacqui

            mtbill…give it up. you won’t win as your arguments are mt (get it?)

          • montanabill

            Couldn’t refute thought, could you?

          • montanabill

            Couldn’t refute it though, could you?

          • karinursula

            tell us about Romneys plans for the future, how will he be creating jobs? He has not said. Only that he wants the middle class to pay more taxes but not his billionaires buddies.

          • montanabill

            Actually, it was Obama that said Romney wants to raise taxes on the middle class, not Romney. Romney has said he doesn’t want to raise anyone’s taxes.

          • metrognome3830

            And so is everyone who reads your posts, Bill.

          • BDD1951

            The presidents college history is not the issue. I know that you radical right wingers are trying to find anything you can, but his college history is unimportant at this point. He is a brilliant man who did well in college. I’d like to see Romney’s college history. He probably bought his degrees.

          • montanabill

            It is not an issue with you, but it is for me. I want to know if he told the truth. It is a major part, supposedly, of why he is qualified to be President. Romney went to college, but he has had an actual career. A very successful one.

          • 081476

            Then why not ask Mitt for his scripts? They thought Lil Bush was a successful business man when he bought into the Texas Rangers…NOT! others were doing the work…I don’t think Mitt “built it all by himself without help from others” or did he make every decision by himself. If so, then I guess he’s responsible for all the layoffs and closures Bain created. Which one do you want to chose?

          • montanabill

            You are right. I never once thought of Bush as a good businessman. On the other hand, Gore and Kerry couldn’t make that claim either. You seem to be fixated on layoffs and closures under Bain when Romney was there. How about comparing his actual jobs created less jobs lost with the President’s jobs created less jobs lost? Have you looked into how layoffs saved jobs because the company was saved stories?

          • metrognome3830

            Ya know, Bill, it is no sin to be ignorant. But to be willfully ignorant . . . there is something wrong with that. Let’s see your college transcripts. Or high school . . . or whatever level your formal education ended.

          • montanabill

            I’d have no problem releasing my transcripts. I wasn’t the best student but did alright in HS. I attended 5 colleges over 8 years (3 private, 2 public, all major universities), took a wide range of subjects just to get a well rounded education, have a B.S. in math/physics and an M.S. in Engineering. Completed classwork for a PhD in Engineering. Wouldn’t live on campus teaching undergrads while I supposedly worked on a thesis that was already written. (had a wife and 2 kids to feed) Taught graduate school in computer science for a couple of years at a major university (it was a second job). Worked to pay for my own education. No parental help, no government loans, no scholarships. That’s why it took so long. I’ve had training in economics, broadcasting, art, religion, U.S. history, world history and, of course, lots of math and science. Now about your comment….

          • metrognome3830

            That’s impressive Bill, but I wouldn’t vote for you for president. Sorry. And it has nothing to do with your transcripts. It has to do with your continually blabbering away about the “birther” conspiracy and your, by now totally debunked, theories on how Obama got his education and whether his record at university was as good as claimed, or if he attended under another name, or if he is using the Social Security # of a deceased person, etc., etc. That, Bill is totally unworthy of your educational background. Get on with some real issues, Bill.

          • montanabill

            Not running for President and you need to learn to read a little closer, nowhere have I weighed in on the birther issue. But I’m afraid the education issue is alive and well. How why does a former self-admitted stoner who somehow got into Occidental and then Columbia finally Harvard? These are expensive schools that should require an exceptional record, unless you list yourself as a ‘foreign exchange student’. Why the secrecy?

          • metrognome3830

            Maybe not specifically, Bill, but it’s all in the claims you are referring to. I suspect you were probably without sin in high school, so it makes it difficult to understand that someone who goofed off in high school could straignten out and become successful. I’m not sure what you are implying, Bill, but there is evidence that he attended these schools. I know there are “bloggers” and anonymous e-mailers out there claiming no one ever saw or heard of him, but that’s not true. There are claims that he entered as a foreign exchange student but Occidental didn’t have a program for foreign exchange students. At Columbia, people did know him and have said so. As for getting into Harvard Law School it would have been impossible to do without an undergraduate degree from Columbia and he would have had to have acceptable grades, I would suspect. Bill, all this crap has been resurrected because Romney is catching heat over his tax returns. I personally just couldn’t care one whit less if Romney produces more tax returns. In fact, I would not have cared if he ever produced any. But it has become a tradition, especially for presidential candidates to do so. So, if Mitt doesn’t want to, fine with me. But as we both know, he is going to catch heat for it. So Mitt has a choice. Produce more tax returns or not. I’m sure he is well aware of the repercussions that will occur either way. It’s all deflections and distractions, Bill and not worthy of any lengthy discussion.

            By the way, I was a goof-off in high school (as I’m sure you already suspected) but I went on to be a productive member of society. I probably could have run for president if I had wanted to. I got married, bought 6 homes over my lifetime (so far), raised a family, have grandkids and am retired and living in an upper middle class retirement community. Not bad for a high school goof-off. It can happen.

          • montanabill

            metro, I’ve posted my history here before. I grew up in a very poor family, on a dirt street on the wrong side of town. I’ve overcome polio and cancer. My first job was selling papers on the street at age 10. My classmates will tell you I was certainly not without sin in high school, but, while I did have a pretty good transcript, close to an A student, it was not enough to get me into the colleges that I really wanted to attend. Nor did I have any money to afford any more initially than a state school. No family money, no scholarships, no government loans. It was work at construction jobs during the summer and work from 7-midnight while in school, dropping out occasionally to rebuild the finances. It took 4 colleges, 8 years to finish my B.S. and 1 more college for my graduate degree and subsequent post-grad work. I had semesters with 3.8 averages and semesters with 0.7 averages (21 engineering hours while working an 8 hour day, a little foolhardy) So, it is in that light that I wonder how the President managed to get into colleges I could only dream about.
            The reality of the tax return releases is that most Presidents only released them during their time in office, so it is not a tradition to release many prior years.
            I don’t think Obama is upset about the distractions. It keeps people from really examining his performance, and especially his performance compared to his 2008 campaign rhetoric and promises.
            He tends to remind me of a guy I met when working for a large aerospace company. This guy was a talker and had management convinced that he was the smartest thing going, a visionary and truly skilled at design and development. A few minutes after I met him, I realized he was a complete phoney, but my superiors only thought I was jealous. Then, one day at a large meeting that included several of my supervisors, he began to brag about his Master’s degree. Unfortunately for him, he claimed he got it from the university where I got mine. Upon hearing his claims, I told him that was where I graduated and started asking him about his professors and the classes.
            Cornered, he admitted that he really hadn’t gone there and really didn’t have a M.S. He was gone the next day. I ran into him again a few years later. He was a making big money as a consultant on the belt way. Could that guy talk a good game!

          • RUKIDENME

            Stay angry bill, stay angry… I think big brother is watching, be careful bill. They r coming with a big butterfly net for u bill.

          • RUKIDENME

            Obviously you did not learn any critical thinking skills. I’m sure you think you did not get any breaks or assistance along the way. We can all see why your so pompous and have no compassion. May you sow what you seed. Get some help before life passes you by.

          • montanabill

            In case you haven’t noticed, life didn’t pass me by. I’ve lived the American dream because I believed it could be done.

          • RUKIDENME

            I’ve noticed that you have beat your own chest as to how much money you have made and your education. Next you will tell us how you gave birth to your children.

          • montanabill

            I use my story simply because way too many people think the deck is stacked against them, that it is somebody else’s fault that they don’t have what they want and that they need government help to live. Sure some people have it easier and some have it worse and life will always deal setbacks, but mostly everyone’s position is the direct result of their own decisions and determination. There are people born with handicaps that can’t be overcome, people who have accidents and people who get serious illness that severely impact there lives, but that is not the majority of us. It is a very small percentage of the population and those people deserve compassion and whatever help they need. The rest, not so much.

          • RUKIDENME

            I commend you for your civility. The government is only successful if it protects and assists it’s most needy citizens. By the way, I have been retired Line of Duty Disability as a Police Sgt. for 8 1/2 years. I am in a power wheelchair and receive a County pension that I paid 10% of my income for over 20 years. The counties retirement system is funded by members contributions. No charity or government funds. I came from the poor side of town, many of my friends died as a result of drugs (O.D.’s, Suicides, Car accidents). I worked in a factory, joined the force, put myself through college while a COP and father of 2. My wife and I worked opposites (I worked 12-8 and she worked days part time).
            No regrets, I saw the scummiest of people and have never lost faith that most people are decent and hard working. Of course there are people that abuse the system (I dealt with them) but that is small percentage. Many more need assistance; medical, financial, housing, food, education. Most of them are to proud to take advantage of the services available to them. And this was a fairly affluent community.

          • montanabill

            I certainly commend you for your service to your community and I”m sorry to hear that you received a disability from it. I, too, came from the poor side of town and was determined to get out of that life. I certainly understand people who are too proud and simply too stubborn to take government assistance. Been there, done that.
            A couple of friends of mine are retired NYPD. Fortunately, they finished with their health and mental states intact.
            Unfortunately, in many neighborhoods in my city, government assistance is a way of life and too many are proud of it. Remember in the 40’s and 50′ and even the 60’s, really overweight people were kind of a rarity, especially poor people. I’m not sure what some people are buying with their food stamps, but it sure must have a lot of calories.

          • RUKIDENME

            Unfortunately the poor and less educated tend to buy fast food such as McDonald’s and this food tends to much cheaper then healthy eats. There is certain portion of families that are on welfare for generations, I did grow up with a few of those. But as a COP in a suburban area I saw many who needed it. I did see many families paying their welfare checks to the couple of dive motels that preyed on them. Families w/o the resources to pay a security deposits for real housing. I attempted to get the state to convert military base housing (closed bases) to housing for these families. Also there is an large amount of shuttered housing at state mental health facilities available. There are answers.

          • montanabill

            I agree. We have just had this flap about Obama moving work requirement for the Welfare Relief Act to the states. According to section 407 of that bill, that action is, in effect, the Federal government waving it’s responsibility and is illegal. But, regardless, when that act was passed, it immediately resulted in the loss of half the people getting welfare under that act because if they had to work, they just as well get a job. It seems to me that we have these perpetual ‘training’ and ‘education’ programs that are complete failures, simply another means of continuing welfare without actually working. Maybe the President could attack his infrastructure problems by using those who are capable of working and doing something about the tremendous fraud occurring with Social Security Disability getting many of those people back to work.

          • RUKIDENME

            Bill, The states administer the welfare money. They can make certain requirements, such as not allowing food stamps being used for booze and cigarettes. When Romney was Governor of Massachusetts he sought the same waiver the President is granting now. Not spin, I lived in New England at the time and it was well reported. The states receive federal dollars and then administer the money. They do have some discretion. I would rather see the Billionaire’s get prosecuted. There is a certain money mogul that receives government tax dollars to maintain a shipyard so that in case of war the yard can build US warships. The only problem is the supposed shipyard couldn’t dock a boat let alone build a ship. And for this he receives millions of tax dollars a year. Read the book, “Free Lunch”.

          • RUKIDENME

            Explain what his career was? He made a lot of money, buying companies, gutting some and then reselling them. No matter the cost to workers and taxpayer’s.

          • montanabill

            That’s narrative the DNC would like you to believe. Do your own research on Bain Capital and Romney’s career or simply stay ignorant.

          • RUKIDENME

            I’m “ignorant” because I don’t agree with you. Then you have paid me the ultimate compliment. I have done my own research, check out Ampad.

          • Scarlet Glitterati

            It’s time to let go of the college history meme. What relevance could it have now? President Obama was an IL State Senator as well as a U.S. Senator. Each and every vote is public record. He has been President for 3.5 years. That record is far more relevant than anything from college. Considering he graduated from Harvard Magna Cum Laude and was Editor of the Law Review, it is safe to assume that his transcript looks better than mine. If we were to look BACK, we might assume Mr. Romney is a moderate Republican, but his current statements align him much closer to the tea party.

          • montanabill

            His record as a state senator and U.S. Senator were far from convincing. And I would have to say that after 3.5 years of being President, he is having a hard time handling the requirements of the office. Your point about relevance? I would say the same about Romney’s old tax returns. Since they aren’t in question by the IRS, why are they pertinent?

          • old_blu

            “why are they pertinent?” When I was raising my kid everytime he was late bringing home his report card he was hiding something, I suspect Romney is doing the same thing.

            (BTW, I enjoy reading your comments)

          • montanabill

            I reiterate, if they are not important to the people who’s job it is to make sure they are correct and that the right tax was paid, then why are they important to you?
            And speaking of kids who didn’t want to show his report card…..

          • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

            Bill, every presidential candidate before Mitt Romney understood that making their tax returns public was pertinent and had no problem making them public. They understood that demonstrating their honesty was an essential qualification to be considered a viable candidate, and they accepted it without hesitation. I suspect that Mitt Romney did not do anything illegal, but if I was a gambling man I would bet he used every loophole and deduction imaginable to avoid paying his fair share of taxes. I also believe that the GOP strategists concluded that after months of demonizing the 49% that do not pay taxes they would look like a bunch of hypocrites if it turns out that their candidate was one of the 49%.

          • montanabill

            Dominic, that is not exactly true. For example, none of Roosevelt’s tax returns were made public until after his death. Gerald Ford did not release his. John Kerry released only his tax returns, but basically, he lives off of his wife’s fortune and she did not release hers. Also, a number of them only released a few years and only during the years of their Presidencies, George H.W. Bush, Jimmie Carter and Richard Nixon. Al Gore only released his taxes during the years he served at V.P.
            Everyone uses every loophole and deduction they can find, but if you are someone who is in the 35% range, then you know first hand just how hard it is to get a deduction. About the only things that come into play are the Standard Deduction and charitable donations. It is possible that Romney could have other companies besides Bain (I haven’t heard of any) that had losses that could offset Bain’s profit, otherwise, the famous fictional loopholes and deductions the rich get are the stuff of myths.

          • Scarlet Glitterati

            It’s time to let go of the college transcripts meme. President Obama was an IL State Senator as well as a U.S. Senator. Every vote he made is public. He has been President for 3.5 years. It seems that record would serve to help you understand his positions on the issues. Since the FACTS show that he earned a J.D. from Harvard, Magna Cum Laude and was editor of the Law Review, I can figure his transcript looks much better than mine. Has Mr. Romney released his, and is now calling on Mr. Obama to release his as well? Mr. Romney is using his “business experience” as a centerpiece of his campaign. I would like to know how he ran his business. How did he get $100 million into an IRA? Did he get Amnesty from the IRS for his Swiss Bank Account? Why are some of the 2010 forms regarding foreign investments, missing? How much salary did he earn after he “retroactively retired” from Bain. What effective tax rate has he paid over the last ten years. If you were to look BACK in time, you might think Romney was a moderate Republican, but his current statements sound more like the Tea Party. If you are in possession of the evidence and you refuse to give it up the presumption of wrong doing is on you.

          • montanabill

            The Dems claim Romney is keeping secrets, so tit-for-tat because Obama is keeping secrets. Hasn’t the question ever crossed your mind about how a poor kid from Hawaii could get into such prestigious colleges? I’ve known valedictorians who couldn’t get those doors opened.
            How does one get large sums into an IRA? It’s called SEP. Look it up. Why would he need amnesty from the IRS if the money in the account is either after tax U.S. earned money or money earned from overseas ventures? Neither is illegal or suspicious. Evidence is something needed if you are charged with a crime. It is not needed to refute slander and mysterious informers.

          • Ohio_Voter

            Romney is a Great Citizen. I believe he was working hard to be successful. I am proud of his success and that also motivates me to be a successful man. But, when a citizen is running for public office, especially for the highest office in the world, NOTHING has to be hidden. That makes others think you are dishonest. To show you will be a President with transparency, you MUST release your tax return for at least 10 years like ex-Vice-President Dick Cheney did when he was running for office. Romney, if you are serious about your candidacy, your need to satisfy voters’ requirements. PERIOD.

          • montanabill

            As long as the IRS has no problems with his tax returns, then frankly, they don’t have a thing to do with running for the Presidency. Surely, if you demand a transparent person for the White House, how could you ever vote for Obama?
            I’m also willing to bet the average voter doesn’t give a hoot about Romney’s old tax returns. Most of them don’t even know who Biden is.

          • 081476

            MTBILL
            what does obama college history got to do with someone possibly cheating on his FEDERAL TAXES! Taking offshore hidden accounts and then go in front of the public and lie about it? Do you have Bush college records? Do you have McCain’s, Reagan’s? Presidential candidates release tax records, never seen it as a prerequisite for college records. Or are you just trying to justify Mitt’s crooked behavior?

          • montanabill

            If you have evidence that Romney cheated on his taxes, by all means, report him to the IRS. The Dems will love you and you could make a nice bit of change. But you know better. You know the White House has had the IRS comb through Romney’s old tax returns and if anything was really there, they would be all over it. What they really want is to find some item or deduction they can go tsk-tsk over and keep everyone’s mind off of the staggering unemployment, enormous debt and scary weakening of our country.

          • nana4gj

            This is such a lame comparison. Some Presidents never went to college and made fine Presidents. But a lying, scheming, tax evader who harmed the economy in his “business career”, invests abroad, and has amassed a personal fortune at everyone else’s expense, is not an admirable person and may even be a crook. College transcripts and tax records are not equitable. Romney will have to release his long form birth certificate, his college transcripts, AND his tax records.

          • montanabill

            Serious accusation. I assume you have the proof, but of course you don’t. Frankly, that is simply a rant and you have no idea how Bain got the money it invested, how they invested it or the details of any one of the projects.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/BEICL3B5IEPMIBRNJHM6BFTGCU Raoul

            Is Obama skin more black (bad) or more white(good). There is a difference between college history and paying taxes or not.

          • montanabill

            You are right there is a difference, however, we are talking about keeping records from the public, not crimes. Not paying taxes is a crime and if you know anything factual, you should report it, otherwise, you are a rumor monger.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

            you like willard cannot stay on subject,magic tricks are not reality something cant spin….sorry bout that

          • montanabill

            Between this post and your last one, I suspect you live in a state where they have medical marijuana.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

            Barack Obama, a man of humble background, graduated from Columbia University and from Harvard Law School, where he earned some of the highest honors in that prestigious institution. Are you planning to ask Romney to make his college record public? For that matter, did you ask McCain to make his record at the Bethesda Naval Academy public? If you didn’t, you missed the chance to find out that he finished second from the bottom, thanks to his Dad who was a highly regarded admiral. To my knowledge, no presidential candidate has ever made his college record public, why is Obama being singled out? Are you using the same logic employed by the birthers? If yes, why didn’t you ask McCain to produce his Panamanian birth certificate? College records have never been an issue in a presidential race, tax returns are a reflection of personal responsibility and – to a degree – civic responsibility. Proof of citizenship, by birth, is a constitutional requirement, which President Obama satisfied. Why was that requirement ignored when John McCain ran for President? I realize the Canal Zone was being administered by the USA when he was born there, but that does not change the fact that he was not born in the USA.

          • montanabill

            I would suggest that your knowledge of who allowed access to their school records is faulty. Exactly how did the man from ‘a humble background’ get into these prestigious schools? There are many with extremely good transcripts and better connections that cannot get in. The reason it is pertinent is because little is known of Obama except for his own semi-fictional autobiographies that don’t exactly paint a sterling picture of him. He did not distinguish himself as either a state senator or U.S. Senator. We are to understand that he received honors, but why is the path so secret that he doesn’t want it known?

          • RUKIDENME

            He (Obama) is smart. Obviously u don’t get that.

          • montanabill

            He didn’t send me the memo.

          • RUKIDENME

            Why would the President send you a memo?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/CO2QQNWXNFJVHG5LMWX64VMDCQ Howard

          The problems of this country do not stem from Romneys Tax return that is just a false argument put forward by the Obama criminal regime in order to change the subject.Its no accident that Reid spewed out these lies on the senate floor (where he is protected from law suits) ,if he said it anywhere else he would be guilty of malicious slander
          If its openness transparency that is in-question then I say Romney should only release more records when Obama does the following
          Unseal his college records from Columbia and Harvard and also how did he pay for the schooling

          Unseal his pass port records
          Unseal his Social Security records
          The problems of this country do not stem from Romneys Tax returns

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          • WhutHeSaid

            You sound like one of those nutty birthers. Do you every record yourself and play it back? Now I know that Obama is black and you hate it, but really — you just have to deal.

        • ococoob

          I agree. It’s about integrity and CHARACTER here.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

        curt cobain is good example!!

      • TheSkalawag929

        Montanabill your attempt to lay down covering fire for Mr. Romney is futile. He keeps sticking his head and making himself a target.
        You may suspect anything you wish but that doesn’t make it fact. No one is saying that republicans can’t be successful without being greedy, ruthless, lucky or what have you. Speaking for myself I see all successful people as just that successful unless there is evidence that says otherwise.
        So stop playing the victim. It doesn’t go well with the Montana independent, free spirit, self sufficent persona the rest of the country has come to expect.

        • montanabill

          To the contrary, many of the posts here say exactly that. In fact, I would have to say that the majority of posters here believe that the only way a person can become successful is to: 1) inherit it, 2) be lucky, 3) take advantage of other people, or 4) cheat.

          • TheSkalawag929

            How did you become so cynical?
            Being right is not dependent on numbers. Simply because a large number of people or a majority of people believe a thing to be true does not automatically make it true.
            There was a time when the majority of people believed that the sun revolved around the earth and that the earth was flat or that one person had the right to own another person. They were wrong.
            My question to you is do you believe that the four ways that you listed are the only way a person can be successful? If you do then you don’t believe in the American way or the American Dream.

          • montanabill

            My point exactly, Skalaway! I was summarizing the comments made to me almost everyday. Of course, I don’t believe any of those points are the way to success, but apparently a great many who read the National Memo do. Pity.

          • TheSkalawag929

            You’re right it is a pity.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

        I admire people like Gates, who created a business from nothing, created thousands of jobs, became one of the richest men in the world, and then engaged in altruistic causes giving away much of his fortune to help others. That is what achieving the American dream means to me. Romney came from a privileged background, while at Bain his focus was on how to make companies profitable or how to liquidate companies without impacting shareholders investments, by his own admission, he enjoyed firing people, his approach to business solvency was focused on layoffs, elimination of benefits, or outsourcing to improve the bottom line. He claims he paid a lot of taxes, prove it. The only thing we know about his fortune today is that much of it is in Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, or in number accounts in Switzerland. His record does not suggest he is a man concerned with the welfare of workers and their families, his goal has always been the accumulation of wealth, even if it is achieved by putting thousands of people out of work. That, Montana, is a reflection of greed, arrogance, and ruthless behavior. As for Kerry, I was not too impressed with him, but at least he released his tax returns. Ditto for Pelosi, Rockefeller and, to their credit, the Bushes.

        • montanabill

          Gates’ parents were probably on a par with Romney senior. Romney did not start with a huge advantage (see his biography). Your post indicates you do not fully understand how venture capital companies work or under what circumstances they make the decisions to either pare down a company or realize it simply can’t succeed. What you know is that some of his money is offshore. You do not know why. There is usually a good business reason why investment people keep money offshore, but demonization doesn’t allow those questions to be asked. Believe me, a venture capitalist makes far more money from a successful venture than one that has to be liquidated. We have one tax return and will soon have last year’s from Romney. Kerry released only his tax return, but his wealth is his wife’s and hers was not released. Neither Pelosi nor Reid have released theirs. So we have no idea how, on a Senator’s salary, Reid accumulated a $10M net worth.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Nobody asked Romney’s wife to release her returns and Harry Reid isn’t running for President. It’s actually a better question just how Romney accumulated over $30 million in a SEP-IRA when the legal limit was about $30,000 per year. 15 years multiplied by $30,000 works out to about $450,000. Even considering smart investments that’s a very, very interesting trick that old Mitt pulled. Say, did you sell Mitt some of your ‘magic beans’ that create businesses out of thin air?

            It’s just greed, MB, so why don’t you give up the whoppers already? We all know that the GOP/TP is full of greedy, selfish deadbeats — but why must they lie so? Nobody is fooled. Being greedy isn’t against the law, and it would leave you more time to count your shiny pennies if you stopped contorting the facts and just came clean.

          • montanabill

            I can forgive your ignorance on the IRA account, but do some more homework. It is possible.
            What I can’t forgive is your attitude that anyone who is able to achieve success must have done it by being greedy and selfish. That attitude seems to indicate that instead of trying harder and cheering others on, you are content with anger and resentment. In the words of Redd Foxx, watch out for the big one.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Yes, ignorance can be forgiven — but not lies. The maximum contribution for 2012 in a SEP-IRA is $50,000. For 2011 it was $49,000. Try making $30 million+ out of even that amount for 15 years and tell me how you do it. Hint: It will involve some of your ‘magic beans’.

            I’m not angry at anyone over how much money they make. To me it’s a non-issue. I do begin to get angry when I see people using that money to do despicable things. Also, I don’t get angry over greedy people coming out here and telling huge whoppers — like you. I just call it as I see it. Sorry ’bout your luck.

          • montanabill

            Sorry to pop your balloon. I asked you to do research on how that much could be amassed. You didn’t. You appear to have read only one paper. FYI. Since I started hiring people and before we went over 100 employees, they had a SEP and received the maximum contribution every year. It is one thing to total the amount of those contributions and another to compare the amount with the actual totals in their IRA’s. Because of the rules, we must now have 401k’s which are nearly as efficient.

          • WhutHeSaid

            I noticed that you still didn’t explain how a person could amass $30 million+ in their SEP-IRA over 15 years given the legal contribution limits. Really, I expected you to come up with some novel new whopper involving magic beans, smoke and mirrors. I’m rather disappointed.

            You have, however, inadvertently answered my question about whether you consider yourself a small business — I take it the answer is no. So why are you constantly whining and whimpering about how the wealthy paying their share would hurt small business? It’s really just another of your diversions, yes?

          • montanabill

            jarhead figured out a good explanation. Check it out. Yes, one of my businesses has grown beyond the definition of a small business, however, 3 others haven’t.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Oh, I get it now — you wear a small business hat some days and a large business hat others. Why didn’t you just say so? Perhaps you could take both hats off and march down to your local Social Services Department and sign up for TANF too. Then you could go home, rub baby oil all over yourself, and roll around in a big pile of Krugerrands to your stingy little heart’s content. Snort up a little Medicare Viagra and you’d be having the time of your life, yes?

          • montanabill

            So there is no such thing as a business between small and large. Regardless, I will admit to doing quite well and my employees are doing quite well, as are all the people I hire to do services for me and the charities I support. What I don’t understand though, is that if government created that for me, why didn’t they do that for everyone? Didn’t you raise your hand?

          • WhutHeSaid

            I guess what really surprises me is that your ‘magical’ talent for business hasn’t vaulted you into the Forbes 400 — or has it? And since you need nothing more than ‘magic beans’ and your superior business skills to create successful businesses, why would you worry about taxes anyway?

            As I told you before several times, I’ve done quite well for myself. This causes you grief because you can’t understand how anyone who is successful can also be socially responsible. This is also, of course, the source of your jealous rages against Warren Buffett.

            I seriously doubt that either your employees or contractors are doing ‘quite well’ except perhaps in your mind. You are obviously a skinflint, so stop with the sob stories before I cry big puddles of salty tears all over my keyboard.

          • montanabill

            I don’t worry about taxes and I pay my required share. However, since my businesses are S-Corps and LLC’s, their income is taxed at my individual rate and every dime that goes to the government is one less dime that I have to expand, invest or build new businesses. FYI: My ‘poor’ employees are paid well about average, have company paid dental insurance, company paid personal and family insurance, up to 4 weeks of paid time off per year and have had an amount equal to 15% of their salaries either deposited in their IRA accounts or into their 401k accounts, plus paid sick time. The result: I have a very loyal and hard working groups. I don’t think you would fit in.

          • WhutHeSaid

            I certainly would not fit in – you couldn’t afford me. But aside from that fact, I’m a bit confused: Didn’t you say that you didn’t need anything but your wits and a few ‘magic beans’ to start successful businesses? Why then would you have to worry about the tax rates going up a couple points? Just move to Antarctica, put on your thinking cap, sprinkle a few ‘magic beans’ and — voila! Instant success. I think I’ve solved your problem, Bill.

            Hey, relax — No charge for the assistance.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      I Agree Romney Is Paying For His Greed And How He Made His Money!! And I Doubt That Reid Gone To Far And Everyone Is Not Envy Of The Rich I Know I’m Not!! When You Got All That You Want, A Great Job Making Lots Of Money And Got Great Investment Also Got Plenty Of Money In The Bank, There’s Nothing To Be Envy Of

      • Ibsyboy

        It’s not wealth envy on my part, it’s mistrust of wealth. Wealth provides entre and influence. And influence is good for self serving purposes, or get out of jail free cards.

        • 2hheels2

          it is the POWER that Wealth provides. It makes people thing they are above the law. When you run for President your supposed to have more transparency. If he didn’t want to be transparent he should not have run for this Office.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/K65CY6G33UZ3QGUDAUAARXD2BA Ashley

            Hello.
            Harry Reid is not the problem, and he does not need to Put up nor shut up. My question is’. Romney is refusing to show his Tax returns. what makes him so special, and what is he hiding.
            Just release the Dam returns. what’s the problem. He is seeking the postion of President, and other candiates have fully disclosed their returns. Again, he should release his tax forms as a voter, I want to know.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            I Totally Agree With All The Above, It The Trolls Below Don’t Seem To Get It !! Kissing, sucking And Bowing Down To The Wealthy Ain’t Going Get You NOTHING But A Face Full Of DoDo!!! And The Only Thing In Waiting For Trickle Down Effect To Kick Is Rich People Trickling Piss On Yor Head Telling You It’s Raining (Money)!!! Romney and The American Taliban Members Of The 2% Is Full Of SHIT!!! They Don’t Give A Damn About America Nor The 98% Their Only Agenda Is Power, Control And MONEY That’s All!!! There Will Be NO ASS KISSING OF THE WEALTHY HERE!!! OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!

          • onedonewong

            Did you miss barak’s apology tour where he bowed and scrapped and sucked every foreign leader he was introduced to…That’s what happens when a quota recipient who never achieved anything on his own handles foreign affairs

          • Ibsyboy

            Here’s a question for you, that I doubt you know the answer to, and I doubt you will care to find out. But, I’ll ask anyway. What foreign leader did he bow and apologize to? Betcha don’t know. That’s a tired old talking point. If you prefer I do the research I’d be happy to do it. But, I won’t find anything. It a myth.

          • onedonewong

            King abdulla but he has Bowed to more than just him his most recent bow was at the global warming conference. He did it when I was in Chicago as he shined my shoes

          • Ibsyboy

            So, again, let me see if I get this right. He went to a country where the tradition is to bow to the Royalty, Like he did with Queen Elizabet of the UK, and that is what you refer to a bowing to a dignitary. Every President in modern history hold to the tradition of respect to Foreign Rulers. Imagine if some one came to America and did not shake the Presidents hand. You guys on the Right would want to go to war.

            You forgot to give me the apologies he made. Can I expect them soon?

            As for the Shoe Shine remark that’s between you and Jesus.

          • onedonewong

            So your saying that if he goes to Uganda where they practice cannibalism that he’ll eat humans….Sorry you never saw Reagan bow to anyone..

          • Ibsyboy

            Go fuck your self you childish
            imbecile.
            I am still waiting for a cogent reply on anything from you, not this childish gibberish you play with. Get serious for once.
            And try using some facts. I have yet to see any. You say you sent facts, but I searched all of your comments and could not find even one. point them out ot me when you get a chance, if that not asking to much. Nitwit.

          • onedonewong

            Quit looking for your FACTS on this site try a reputable search engine like Google or Yahoo. Other wise you look like that avg dumb black

          • Ibsyboy

            Every time I receive a missive from you , that is what I immediately do. And I can find nothing that backs up anything you say. All you have to do is get your lazy cracker, crank snorting ass in gear and cite (it means state your source) the back up for your supposed facts. How hard is that for a hilly billy? It’s spelled GOOGLE, you type in your fact ans see what comes up. And in the case of all the made up BS you pass off as fact, there is no back up. How has Santa, the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny been treating you, when they come to your house. Still leave milk and cookies out for Santa. Wait Double Wides don;t have chimneys. An air vent for the propane is not a chimney. Just in via FOX News online: Paul Ryan admits to being arrested in college for soliciting a Prostitute. Go to FOX online. Photos of the prostitute and her statement. Word is his wife had an abortion before she met Paul (Salon .com). I guess you have to sleep with the clients when you are a DC lobbyist, which is what she was when she was hustling Paul for his votes. It may have been his kid.
            ALSO, Romney, caught by reporters, with Child Porn on Press bus. ( NY Times).

          • onedonewong

            Once again you show your limited education you must have went to Harvard with Barak and spent the entire time smoking dope and sniffing coke.
            Barak has spent his entire life in Sec 8 hosing like your self, the WH was his big break, But like most colored he move his Momma and her traveling companion and his nephew and their family all into the WH.
            Everyone that’s been to the WH have said the same thing that they have a clothes line hung in the Lincoln bedroom, their soap making kettle in there and they use the east room for cooking greens and fat back

          • Ibsyboy

            Once again, I have to thank you for your undying responsibility to setting me straight.

            Obama, did spend his whole life in Section 8 housing, all Negroes do, including Colin Powell, he had a special Section 8 office at the pentagon. Alan West had a special section 8 tent in the Military. All of Herman Cain’s Pizza shops were section 8 buildings. Obama’s bisexual dorm rooms were section 8, and like all good successful Negroes he moved his family in to the Section 8 wing of the White House, as all good Negroes men should. Fried chicken bones all over the Lincoln bed room, watermelon rinds in the Section 8 oval office. Those two little nappy headed daughters stinking up their white house with hair straighten chemicals. Can’t wait for him to be gone so we can get a good up standing White man in there. Get that mayonnaise back on the shelf and get those Negroes slaves back in there to keep the place clean and cook the food and do the washing and Ironing. The only jobs any Negro is capable doing as long as ther is a White person watching them and they will work for free. Yas, Master Mitt, whats eber youz says Master Mitt and Miss Marys.

          • onedonewong

            see above

          • Ibsyboy

            Ah, somebody ran to mommy and daddy. There is this man who keeps asking me for facts to back up what we all agree is real except him. Please do something about this scary man. And it worked. Good for you. Nice mommy and daddy you got.

          • Ibsyboy

            You weren’t able to read when Reagan was Prez. How would you know. Yes, Obama would eat the human flesh, it part of Negro history. Dark meat, Yum.

            Oh, by the way see photo of Reagan bowing to a dog.

          • onedonewong

            Reagan has a great friendship with Obama when he was younger. Obama even appeard in a movie with Reagan it was called Bed Time for Bonzo

          • Ibsyboy

            What a putz. Do you know what a putz is?
            Here take your pick. 1. Slang; A fool an idiot. 2. Slang for penis.
            So, you are either a Moron or a Dickhead. Both is my choice. A Moronic-Dick.

          • onedonewong

            Must have missed the movie HuH??? You can still buy it online. To be honest barak was a lot smarter when he was younger as the movie proves before he got hopped up on drugs

          • Ibsyboy

            Being the First Negro PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, the 43 person in the history of the world to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is very stressful, especially when he has to wake up to the ignorance such as yours. Ignorance which impedes the county from moving forward. But that’s part of the job, and I guess being hopped up helps deal with the BS that comes with the job, especially the ignorance we all have to wade through trying to help people who have lost their way due to short sightedness, negativity, contemptuousness, anger, hate and low self esteem. those drowning in racism, misinformation, and all out stupidity, due to an inability to grasp the simplest of concepts. That’s you Ducky. Imagine having to be around you all day. Pity those who do. One big lazy ass pain in the ass.

          • onedonewong

            when he ran that he was in over his head. He thought that since he was a quota recipient all his life he could fake his way thru it. Unfortunately not knowing much about this country he was campaigning in all 57 states and trying to figure out why they didn’t pay taxes.
            As for stressful how?? His single 2 accomplishments since election was to plant a garden and do home brew in the basement in the WH. Other than that its been to spend other people’s money.

          • Ibsyboy

            What do you expect form a Negro, why do you crackers keep asking so much of a Negro. You let the dumb cracker Bush, do what he wanted and that dumb ass white man, screwed the pooch. 2 unpaid for wars, unpaid for tax cuts, 750,000 jobs lost a month. At least the Negro ain’t that bad. But what can anyone expect from an alcoholic, coke snorting, Vietnam dodging cracker from a white wealthy New England, pretend Texan, privileged family, who got him in to an Ivy league College because he dad went there. His grades did not qualify him , but his old man’s money and connection, and the rich white kid quota had to be filled. Ladies and Gentlemen, brought to you by the dim bulb from Texas, the 2008 Financial Crash, heard around the world. The cowboy cracker brought the USA to it’s economic knees. And along comes the Negro, who stops the bleeding and saves the White Teas Crackers ass. Wall Street is doing better than it has in years, the American auto Industry is back on top, the Iraq war is over, Afghanistan is winding down, consumer confidence is up, trade deficit is on the decline, Navy Seals killed Bin Ladin, Median home sale prices are on the rise, Corporate profits at historical highs, more Billionaires than ever in the USA, Inflation at 2.3% down form 4.3% under the Cracker Bush, Spending fell 2 outof the 3 years the Negro has been in office. Long story short, the Negro has done a better job than the New England born and Ivy League educated Cracker.

          • onedonewong

            There are FEWER americans working today than at anytime during W’s 2nd term so Barak must be loosing a whole lot more jobs per month than W. From 2000 to 2006 W only added $1T to the national debt and from 2007 to present when Dems took control of congress and then the WH they have added $10T to the national debt.

            W’s transcripts that he felt should be released were compared to Gore and Kerry in the elections and W’s grades were BETTER…imagine that. We do know that W’s grades out shone baraks in college. Something the left refuses to talk about.

            Barak got into college as a quota affirmative action token admission, he was always a D or c- student in college. But back then quota admissions didn’t have the same rigorous field of studies compared to those who who admitted on merit.

            As for drugs Barak is the only President that has to be tested monthly thrum urinalysis in order to be allowed to see classified information.

            Ford is up, GM owes the taxpayers over $25B and will likely never pay it back. They make 7 out of 10 cars some where other than the US and are moving their R&D to China. Once again showing Barak is an outsourcer of American jobs

          • Ibsyboy

            I forgot, Bush did Obama one better, he held hands with King Abdullah as they walked. But, it is also a tradition. I can only imagine if Obama did that. The again, the Bush family are very tight with King Abdullah, like when Bush had the Bin Laden family flown safely out of America back to Saudi Arabia following 9-11.

          • onedonewong

            Holding hands is the equivalent to kneeling and kissing his ring?? i due to his rules of engagement that places more value on mooslim notice that you didn’t bring up that Obama refused to give the Seals the OK to take out Bin Ladin on 4 separate occasions. Nor did you mention that we have record casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq every year that Barak has been president thanks to his rules of engagement that places more value on Mooslim lives than our own troops.
            You can google these FACTS for your self

          • Ibsyboy

            Get a friggin life won’t.
            All you had to do was look into the facts, putsz. Your talking about the 3 options that were presented to Obama as to how to get Obama, he passed on 2 and went with the one that he did, and it succeeded. Sonmething Georgie could not or would not do. So get your shit straight for once.

          • onedonewong

            NOT options but Opportunities in time. It was Valerie Jarette who advised him NOT to get his moooslim brother

          • Ibsyboy

            This how democracy works in your version of the USA:
            Veteran Republican political consultant, unrepentant dirty trickster, and recently reborn libertarian Roger Stone yesterday published a startling accusation against Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney on his personal website, The Stone Zone. According to Stone, the billionaire Koch brothers purchased the Republican vice presidential nomination for Ryan from Romney in late July by promising to fork over an additional $100 million toward “independent expenditure” campaigning for the GOP ticket.

          • onedonewong

            He also revealed that The Moolim Brotherhood was the key financial backers for baraks campaign in 2008 funneling over $600M in drug money

          • Ibsyboy

            It takes money to run a campaign, and if you have a bunch of Corporatists pumping money in to the GOP and The Communist Party of China through Sheldon Adelson pumping money into the GOP, how is a few hundred million from some nice Egyptians going to make a difference.

          • onedonewong

            Barak spent $1 BILLION on his campaign in 2008. China and the Saudis were his largest campaign contributions and it paid off handsomely with Billions in Stimulus $$$. Unions also spent over $1.5 Billion on the election as well

          • Ibsyboy

            Thanks to Social Security, Ryan was able to save money for college. Ryan is eager to deprive future orphans of the guaranteed support that he received.
            As a devote follower of declared Atheist Ayn Rand, Ryan has lived by her atheistic best selling book: The Virtue of Selfishness. Why was Ryan pal-ing around with an Atheist?
            And building his world view on her atheistic teachings? A God Hating VP Candidate.

            The first Atheist in the history of the Country, one heart beat away from the Presidency.

          • onedonewong

            Thanks to quotas and foreign aid Barak was able to go to college as a foreign student.

            Why was Barak paling around with the Racist Rev wright and with the Moooslim brotherhood as well as the communist weather men??
            barak is the 1st Mooslim Socialist

          • Ibsyboy

            I have been as polite as i can be. But, I have no time for such a hateful, ignorant red neck like your self. Calling you stupid would be insulting stupid people. There is no word to accurately describe the sheer anger, hate, ignorance, contempt, total lack of pride, and lack of knowledge about anything. Sorry, Ducky. There are other people on this thread who are not a total waste of time. I have been as polite as I had to be in riposting to your comments. Later. Dude. God help those who have to deal with you in the flesh. If your are by some miracle married. God save the children. They will be in my prayers. But, God can’t be that cruel and let your genes pass on to another human being. It’s bad enough you were born. Bye.

          • onedonewong

            itsy you post a lot but never anything meaningful other than barak is your Messiah. Its tragic that a so called adult has fallen for this charlatan.
            But then again your black and no one has ever accused your race of being smart or hard working

          • Ibsyboy

            Obama Better For Economy, Business Executives Say

            Reuters | Posted: 08/17/2012 5:25 am Updated: 08/17/2012 12:28 pm

            LONDON, Aug 17 (Reuters) – Twice as many business executives around the world say the global economy will prosper better if incumbent U.S. president Barack Obama wins the next election than if his Republican challenger Mitt Romney does, a poll showed on Friday.

            Democrat Obama was chosen by 42.7 percent in the 1,700 respondent poll, compared with 20.5 percent for Romney.

          • onedonewong

            Let’s see he got 100% of all the votes from China, Japan, Finland, Brazil, Mexico and the middle east. Who would want to upset the $$ cart from america that the US taxpayers are sending there

          • Ibsyboy

            Since when do the people you listed get to vote in America. Oh, yeah I know. They donate to the US Chamber of Congress which passes it along to the RNC. Bet you didn’t or want to know that. Foreign countries buy votes through the RNC, thanks to the US Chamber of Congress and the Communist Party of China through Sheldon Adleson. Do you even know who Sheldon Adelson is? Or what the US Chamber of Commerce is? My guess, NO.

          • onedonewong

            itsbitsy you can’t deny 1 word in my previous post. Even Sen Schumer from NY has said that 85% of all the stimulus $$$ that Barak spent went to foreign countries who then repaid him with campaign contributions

          • Ibsyboy

            What are you doing among these self congratulating Right Wing folks. Be careful, they are going to swarm you with non cogent insults, and inaccurate speculative replies. You can answer them if you like, but don’t waste your time trying to correct or inform them. This is Stepford land.

          • Nery Wasserman

            I have a question ….does Mitt own
            property in China? How many trips
            in the past for business did Mitt take….

          • Ibsyboy

            You may find this interesting:
            20% of the population of the USA control 93% of the Financial Wealth of the USA. 80% of the population controls 7% of the Financial Wealth of the USA. Can you guess how much influence 7% of the Financial Wealth of the USA gets You? Zilch. But, 93% of the Financial Wealth get you any thing your little heart desires. Such as, tax cuts, more deregulation of the Financial Markets, more loopholes. Absolutely no interference in any Business activity you choose. Ship every job over seas, lower wages, provide no health care, not retirement funds. Have a ball. It’s all on us the Under Class that little nuisance; 80% of the population.

          • surfcat123

            Romney is the one who must “put up or shut up”

          • Ibsyboy

            He just put up. He picked Paul Ryan as VP. He would have been better off releasing more tax returns, it probably would have brought him less heat that this Ryan pick.

            Ryan is one of the leaders of a GOP Congress which has historically low poll numbers.

            He wants to screw with Medicare and Social Security. Two of the most popular aspects of out social contract with the citizens of the USA.

            He is a Teahadist darling. Nuff said.

          • delroy brown

            Romney says he paid all his taxes and not a penny more. My question to him is this. If that is true sir and you took only those deduction you are entitled to, you have done nothing wrong, so release the taxes even if you pay zero. Unless you are covering up a crime I cant see a reason for you not to. The soldiers you are promising to send into war with Iran faces far more danger than your embarrassment. They faces potential death and loss of limb . The worst you face is a fine and embarrassment. Don’t let them down they deserve a brave commander in chief like the one who ordered the hit on Bin Laden , not some coward hiding behind his wife’s skirt and a paid surrogate.

          • onedonewong

            why to satisfy your perverted sense of entitlement

          • montanabill

            He has released one tax return and will release last year’s when it is complete. Most Presidents only released tax returns the years they were in office.

          • Ibsyboy

            Once again, a statement made into a fact. He is not the President, he is running for President. He submitted 23 years’ worth of tax returns to John McCain and that was for the VP slot. So for President his answer is “stuff it America.” You people are getting all you’re going to get.
            By the way, McCain rejected Romney for his obscene amount of wealth and went w/ Palin. This is the same guy who demanded to see several years of returns from the people he was running against in the Primaries. Pure unadulterated hypocrisy. And the Right Wing, just lets it slide by. Hmm. Obama goes on vacation the the whole world is collapsing. There is something illogical about that.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOM2XXVLQZHV7FGB7D3UAXG6FM David

            Romney has already released the tax records required “like most presidential candidates do”. Asking for more is ridiculous, petty and unjustified.

          • Ibsyboy

            Romney gave John McCain 23 years of returns just to be considered as a VP choice. But wanting the American people to vote for him for the most powerful job in the world. He gives 0ne year. Essentially it’s F**k You American Voters, I don’t need to do sh*t for you. Just wait and see what you get if I become POTUS. Ready, drum roll please. NOTHING. NADA. ZILCH. I am going to repeal RomneyCare Two, the sequel. Lower taxes on all the Obese Cats. Hit the middle class up to pay for the tax cuts. I am going to reconfigure Medicare, so you won’t recognize it, and I’m thinking of Privatizing Social Security. Aren’t you excited? Oh and those Poor Negro folk. F**K ‘em. They have been on the gravy train too long, as for their children F**k them too.

          • onedonewong

            When will Harry release his returns??? What makes him so special and what is he hiding??

          • Ibsyboy

            Romney thinks he has made a smart move, he picked Paul Ryan. Notice no one is asking about tax returns, now they are asking who is Paul Ryan, and why does he want to screw with Medicare and Social Security. This is a bigger problem than tax returns. This a giant wad of gum stuck on the sole of one of Romney’s $2000 custom made shoes. And he isn’t going to be able to get this kind of gum off. This is PALIN TWO, the sequel.

          • KurtofLA

            The problems are the shit democrats. Nothing but problems created and all they are looking for is a distraction. Your “idiot of the month award” is also in the mail

          • Ibsyboy

            You are absolutely correct. For example, Sheldon Adleson, Romney’s big money guy, is under federal investigation for breaking the law, it will drag out for years, Adelson will pay someone to fall on his sword for Abelson, and it will all go away.

          • onedonewong

            And Ruzuka who Barak took money from is also doing time so is their a point here??

          • Ibsyboy

            There is not one piece of evidence that you or anyone else can find that says Obama took money from Rezko. This lie has been looked into by every anti-Obama thug out there and they have come up with nothing. If you were interested in the truth you would know this and would stop allowing your self to be used for spreading propaganda. If I am wrong, prove it.

          • onedonewong

            He even admitted it after the statue of limitations had passed
            PS shoo fly bother someone else

          • Ibsyboy

            OMG. Please forgive me for being so lazy and impudent as to ask where and when he said that. I know, I know, it is wrong of me to ask you, when I can just as easily go to the Internet and find it for myself. By the way this just in, from very reliable sources: Paul Ryan admits he was arrested for soliciting a prostitute.
            I am back; no luck with Obama admits taking money from Rezko. A lot of supposition concerning a house and some land, but nothing with any solid evidence. Why again haven’t the Kochs & Adelson with their Billions use this stuff against Obama. I can tell you, it’s BS. Knuckles you’re sinking fast. You are going to run out of Right Wing talking points, what will you do then? I do admire your willingness to go down with the ship. Man the life boats. Not you Knuckles. Ahoy Mate.

          • Ibsyboy

            I think I may have stumble upon what your dimwitted brain calls a fact. You make a statement devoid of any verification and call it a fact. Sorry, Ducky. Dumb is not an excuse for what you call facts.

          • onedonewong

            Are you claiming He didn’t say it?????? PLEEEEASE

          • Ibsyboy

            Here’s the quote. Show me where he said ‘put black people back in chains”

            “(Romney) is going to let the big banks once again write their own rules, unchain Wall Street,” Biden said at a campaign event in Danville, Virginia. “He is going to put y’all
            back in chains.”

          • onedonewong

            What does black people have to do with his comment??? This administration has been racist from the day they enter the WH and so is Joe. Of course you have no idea what racism means

          • Ibsyboy

            You are absolutely right. The minute those Negroes came in to the White House the hate whitey sign went up. He tried real hard to only get the Negro members of the military home form Iraq and leave the white ones there, he surrounded himself with Negros in the White House, all the people who look white are actually Negroes in White makeup. That’s not really Hillary Clinton, it a Negro woman made up to look like Hillary Clinton, the real Hillary Clinton is dead, the Negro Mafia killed her off when Obama moved into the White House. When he wins re election , I here he is going to have all white people put into concentrations camps, and take their homes and give them to Negroes. Plus all the staff in the White House and the entire Government will be replaced with Negroes. He will have the White people on the SCOTUS, killed and replaced with Negroes, and dumb ass white crackers like you will be fired from their jobs, and replaced with Negroes, and all Corporations will only be able to outsource to Africa or any other Negro nations.

            The Chicken will be come the nation bird replacing the bald eagle, and watermelon will be the national fruit. Colleges will not be allowed to have White athletes, only;y Negroes will be allowed to play sports because we all know Negroes run faster and jump higher. Only Negro men will be allowed to make porn movies because they have bigger cocks then white men. And we all know any white man with a big cock has Negro blood. Any women who is tired of tiny dicked white men can get an instant divorce and marry a giant cocked Negro. White women will be compelled to marry or live with big cocked Negroes.

            Slowly the white race will evaporate and the USA will have nothing but big strong big cocked Negroes running the USA. That is the plan that was hatched in Kenya, when they elected Obama’s father to marry a white woman, take his enormous Negro cock impregnate the White woman, show her what a real man can do, have a male Child, name him Barack, and have him become President of the USA, then take over America and turn it into a Negro nation of women with big butts and men with enormous cocks. One of the most finely planned conspiracies in the entire history of the world.
            Negroes will finally get to kick the shit out of crackers and screw their women. Good God all mighty, thanks you Jesus. We have over come. Big cocks and all.

          • onedonewong

            There weren’t any negroes fighting in Iraq they were all in the rear with the gear

          • Ibsyboy

            Of the 4,487 US Soldiers Killed and 32,223 Seriously Wounded … 9% were African-American (Negroes). In 1770 when the American Colonies rose up in resistance to England, Negro patriots were there. There were Negro Minutemen among the colonial forces. When the Revolutionary War began, there were Negro members of the Continental Army. It’s an ignorant thing to say when there are families who lost loved ones protecting your freedom, while you sat at home sipping a warm Bud and sucking on a bong while playing video games. Coward.

          • onedonewong

            Yes some have been killed when a terrorist got in to the kitchens and killed the cooks. When the colonies rose up to the British the vast majority of Blacks signed up with the British to dig foundations and do menial labor

          • Ibsyboy

            I am going to leave this comment between you, Jesus and his Father. You’re getting way beyond my ability to deal with this much hate of other people. Racism is a hard sickness to deal with. Jesus loves you.

          • onedonewong

            I agree with you that Baraks racism is the worst for any president. This is the 21st century and barak thinks he living in Africa and hunting down his countrymen for slaves. Its tragic

          • Ibsyboy

            He does get his hands dirty hunting, he sells them to the white man to take to America, where the job creators were looking for people who would work for free or die. The South would have never got going with out the Negroes Obama sent over. They would have had to pay white people to pick the cotton, and no self respecting southern white person would get caught dead working for a living.

          • onedonewong

            The good thing about shipping them here was they learned a trade, to read and write and to count. Unfortunately they could never learn to be independent and were taught to rely on their betters for everything

          • montanabill

            Please note that Obama won’t release his college transcripts and history. There are some good questions about why.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOM2XXVLQZHV7FGB7D3UAXG6FM David

            Transparent? Owebama spent millions of dollars hiding his school records and has the gall to accuse anyone of hiding something?

          • Ibsyboy

            If I may be so bold as to ask. Where did you get “he spent millions of dollars,” hiding his school records?
            I’d like to see that, betcha can’t tell me. Because, you don’t know. You’re just parroting Right Wing noise, yu hear in the wind. Prove me wrong. If this is the Gary Kreep rumor, it’s a hoax. Kreep admitted there is no such evidence.

          • Ibsyboy

            Did I already reply to this silly nonsense? Can you cite your source for this gem of a piece of BS? Betcha can’t. And I doubt I will get anything, other than some witty insult in reply.

          • onedonewong

            No question as barak has said over and over the constitution is just a dam piece of paper

          • Ibsyboy

            Can you cite the source of this over and over statement. You constantly fail to answer my requests for verification, I’ll take that as an acknowledgement on your part that your comments are rumors, unsubstantiated by any fact. So, should I stop asking or are you willing to answer a simple question, where did you hear this gem.
            Can’t be that hard to find out. You state it with such conviction, so you must know where you heard or read it. C’mon, tell me. If you can, my guess you can’t.

          • onedonewong

            Sorry boy your constant requests for verification reflects a mind that lacks a scintilla of curiosity or desire to learn anything. Your typical of most Dem’s who are used to having society do their bidding because they are too lazy to make it on their own

          • Ibsyboy

            So, what you are saying is, if I ask you where you get your info, you are alright with not bothering to tell me, because it is rude on my part to ask you in the first place. And, according to your logic, if I told you Paul Ryan was arrested for solicitation of a prostitute you would not disagree with me or ask me to back up that comment. Well I see where the strength of the Right Wing lays. Make it up, say what you want, pass along erroneous info, and take no responsibility for it’s credibility. I see why it may be fun to go through life like that, if that’s what floats your boat. Don’t for get now; Paul Ryan was arrested for soliciting a prostitute. That’s what I have heard from very reliable sources, but don’t ask for them, I don’t have to tell you. DON’T FORGET…RYAN/PROSTITUTION. IT’S A FACT.

          • KurtofLA

            Another “Idiot of the month award”
            I am sure you are referring to Obama’s transparency

        • onedonewong

          You mean like Baraks after he took a bribe from the Mafia , or his wife’s no show job that kind of influence??

          • Ibsyboy

            The hatred for Barack Obama by folks like your self in constant search for anything anti- Obama reminds me of an old Chinese Proverb: “It is very difficult to find a black cat in a dark room, especially when there is no cat.” Birtherism, Etc.

          • onedonewong

            Hatred?? All I did was post a few KNOWN facts about your messiah.
            “those who can’t see the truth when its presented can’t see””

          • Ibsyboy

            There is an obligatory aspect to every fact; Truth. Nothing you stated is true. Their slogans, talking points. To help you comprehend the proverb. Your in the dark looking for something that doesn’t exist. Your desperation, driven by your inexplicable dislike for the man, has you grabbing at straws. I have yet to see any thing the Right Wing has come up with, that holds water. Nothing, not one blessed thing. If any one of the inaccurate accusations the Right purports to be factual was true, then the Corporatists, wouldn’t be spending a Billion bucks to prop up a dud like Romney. He’s a stooge who will jump when his Corporate masters say, jump. And you my friend get nothing for carrying water for them. This BS you toss around comes from them, via FOX, Rush, Beck, Right Wing Blogs, the Blame Stream Media, all of which they own, not from between your ears. You’re just a little kid who the big kids let hang around, because you’re willing to run errands. So if you got anything going on, give me something more than the BS, you have the audacity of calling facts. You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you on the ass, and if it did you would pretend it didn’t hurt. There’s nothing wrong with filling in the gaps of your misinformed mind. So give me some facts. You can take as long as you like to Google up every Right Wing piece of BS you can find. It’s a total waste of your time. You will find nothing worth repeating. It’s all fictional BS. Written specifically for water carriers like you.

          • onedonewong

            Hey boy your entire post is nothing but ad hominems pretty typical from the left. Every thing I posted is factual and if you try a ew research tool called “google” you’ll be able to verify everything I have said.
            Unlike you barak isn’t my messiah just a rank amateur and Harry is a CROOK. Turn off the State Run Media and do your own research its amazing what you’ll find and you won’t look so foolish in the future when you post

          • Ibsyboy

            Do me a favor and indicate the ad hominems. Do you even know what an ad hominem is? Harry is a CROOK. See the liberty you take, no evidence, just say what you want without having to be responsible for it. It would be considered an insult if I called you an A-hole, but using your definition of word usage, I can say that without any consequence or proof. You haven’t said anything. There is not one verifiable comment you have made they’re all Limbaugh-isms. I asked before and I’ll try again give me something substantive. Harry is a Crook, well I can see all the facts behind that remark. NOT! Please stop avoiding the request give me something substantive. Not some talking point or outright lie. You’re good a babbling, but put some meat on your comments. That is if you can. That’s a dare. You can’t do it. Because there is nothing available to back up your inexplicable dislike for Obama and Democracy. You’re just a foot soldier in FOX’s war on America.

          • onedonewong

            Glad we agree about Harry, I provided you with the evidence the Native casino $$, not to mention his 5 million he ‘earned” in a law practice before he ran from office in just 90 days…
            All my comments are verifable try using a new technique that was launched last week its called Google, Its the rage with all the left wingnuts

          • Ibsyboy

            5 Million is not Wealth, Romney’s 250 Million that’s wealth, and he made a lot of it through that un-American tactic Bain pioneered, out sourcing. In Freeport, IL, an entire town is in danger of shutting down. Bain bought a very profitable company that is the heart of the economy of Freeport, IL. Sensata Technologies, 40 years of profitable business, Bain buys it, moves the jobs to China, insult to injury; the local, soon to be unemployed, workers, had to train their Chinese replacements. That’s just down right fucking cold. That’s the company and ideology Mitt Romney built into the Bain method of doing business, fuck American workers, fuck the American economy, there are more profits in China, and Mitt still holds a large share of stock in Bain, so he will gain from Freeport’s loss. That’s who the GOP offers to America as a Presidential candidate, and now Ryan, with his Medicare, social security killing plan, that also raises taxes on the middle class. What a winning team, you should hold your head up high, your selling the country to the Wealthy. Those people who you can not seem to discern from the rich. The Poor look at anyone who owns a house as rich. Wealth is incomprehensible to the Poor, and apparently to you as well.

          • onedonewong

            Outsourcing is un american. Think about how un american it must be when Barak outsourced millions of jobs with taxpayer money, NOW that’s un american

          • Ibsyboy

            Your a raving maniac of BS. Where do you get this Crap.

          • onedonewong

            Are you denying that all the wind turbos that the govt has purchased come from China?
            That all the solar panels that DOD and GSA are buying come from China
            The steel for the new bridge in San Fran came from China
            Tesla electric cars are made in Finland
            7 out of 10 cars from GM are made other than the US and they are moving their R&D to china.
            But you knew that HUH???

          • Ibsyboy

            I have seen zero facts in any of your comments you wrote. Reid embezzled his money, Obama said over and over the constitution is just a piece of paper, Obama was a foreign aid student, he shined your shoes in Chicago, he has no experience, none of it is true. I tried for hours to find any of this stuff, I found it , but none of what I found was any more than lies with no back up what so ever. All you state is Right Wing BS, with ZERO verification.
            Don’t forget Paul Ryan arrested for soliciting a Prostitute. Pass it on. You want a source? Can’t help you there. Ryan/Prostitute. Absolute fact!!!

          • onedonewong

            Reid didn’t take Native Casino money to pay for his hotel in DC???
            Obama has proven his disdain for the constitution over and over
            Barak’s college transcripts show that he was a foreign student
            Barak is a bisexual per his college room mate
            Michelle hates America
            All those statements are TRUE

          • Ibsyboy

            Please do not lead me to believe that what is in your comment are facts. Their suppositions. Here’s a fact, one plus one equals two the statement and (1+1=2) verification, ergo, a fact. Are you asking me if reid took monsy fro a casino, or are you tlling me, if so where is your backup? Obamaz has distain for the Constitution . That’s a statement, where is the backup. Show me your source.

            Here is a great example of a fact: The transcripts haven’t been released (federal privacy laws forbid it), nor has any court of law “ordered” them released. (Source: Occidental College) Notice the source.

            According to various news sources Obama did attend on a scholarship, but it wasn’t a Fulbright scholarship, let alone a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students. The Fulbright Foreign Student Program accepts Master’s Degree and Ph.D. candidates only. Obama, an undergraduate, was neither. He couldn’t have been awarded a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students even if he had been born outside the U.S. (Source: Fulbright Program) Notice the source.

            That is how a fact is presented. State, sorceor verification. A statement with no support is not a fact.

            Here’s a small easy challenge for you. Who was Obama’s roommate who said that?

          • onedonewong

            Reid was interviewed by the media n that very topic and his response was with an indignant posture said ala Clinton “I’m working doing everything I can for the american people”
            Barak disdain lets see – GM bailout, DOMA, Immigration, voter intimidation, new quota programs, fast and furious….that’s just off the top of my head
            Barak was admitted to college as a foreign student because he was a C/D student and couldn’t get in with his peers. So he claimed to be a foreign student and that his grades were a result of ESL. He then applied as a foreign exchange student for aid, not a scholarship
            Which one Wayne Root who has written that Barak was an avowed communist and moooslim or Imad Husain who said he is bisexual. Isn’t it amazing that the State Run Media has gone back in Romneys past to when he was in Grade school looking for dirt but they have never investigated barak’s background??

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOM2XXVLQZHV7FGB7D3UAXG6FM David

          owebama is wealty. reid’s wealth has skyrocketed on a mere Senator’s salary. hmmmmm?

          • Ibsyboy

            Big Dave, see above for my definition of Wealth. And just about anyone who looks at wealth for what it really is. Not some guy who worked hard to earn a lot of money. That’s not wealth that’s income. We earned that wealth for them. We elected the legislators who voted for the big tax cuts and deregulation of the Financial Markets. There was an explosion of instant Billionaires with out lifting a finger or breaking a sweat. We bailed out the banks, not the Wealthy, they benefited from the bailouts. They got wealthier. Now if we are indirectly responsible for their wealth, it is no big deal to ask them for some of that money back in a tax increase. Not an unfair position to take, considering it was our representatives that passed the legislation that helped bring them their vast wealth. See above what they get from their wealth. And how much they run the country. We are the under class now Dave. The Middle Class is shrinking, Poverty is on the rise, Vast Wealth at the top is increase by leaps and bounds, while we argue over the Negro in the White House. They laugh at us. We are amusing to them. They want Romney because he is one of them, and will take care of his buds, not the under class. If you count your money in 20s, 10s, 5s, 1s and change, you do not count. You mean nothing to Romney. Ryan’s tagging along to get his taste of wealth. If R&R win the 1% will take care of Paulie.

          • onedonewong

            Reid didn’t earn his money his was attained thru embezzlement

        • onedonewong

          You should be much more afraid of a president who got where he his not based on merit but based on color as a quota receiptent

          • Ibsyboy

            You should change your name to: OneWrongCommentAfterAnother. Again, with little chance of getting an answer, I will plead with you to cite (tell me the source) where you got this choice piece of BS. I’ve asked politely regarding your other crazy statements, but this time I am begging to know where you get this piece of crap. I assume you don’t know or I would have heard from you pertaining to the other requests I’ve made. Advice: If you were to cite your source when you make these inane broad statements, you would establish some credibility for your view point. Other wise you’re just yelling out meaningless lies.

          • onedonewong

            Where? from baraks college transcripts that outline the criteria for his admission. Everything as a foreign student when applying for aid and as a minority to Harvard.
            Now that you have it do your own resaerch

          • Ibsyboy

            Here’s a very simple situation. The Koch Brothers and Billionaire Sheldon Adleson are spending 100s of millions to get Obama out of office. Why don’t they just spend a few million and reveal all this Right Wing BS about his Birth and college records, it would certainly get rid of him quick, and save them millions. Why? Because they have and it is all BS. The Supreme Court, the current right wing supreme court, has refused to hear any Birther case. Why? Because they know it is BS. Why do you persist in pushing BS, when those with more influence than all Right Wingers put together avoid it as a tactic to get rid of Obama. Why have you not asked yourself this question. Because it will take away from you these fantasy conspiracies you enjoy so much.

            ALSO: I searched the internet for Obama/Occidental College and asked this Question: Has anyone released Obama’s Occidental College transcripts? This is what I found. According to Occidental College.

            No, the transcripts haven’t been released (federal privacy laws forbid it), nor has any court of law “ordered” them released. (Source: Occidental College)

            AND: To cover my bases I found this: Did Obama attend Occidental under the name “Barry Soetoro”?

            No. Soetoro was the surname of his stepfather, but there’s no evidence Barack Obama used it when he attended college. Fellow alumni quoted in the press remember him as “Barry Obama.” According to an Occidental spokesperson the college has no records showing Obama used his stepfather’s last name.

            AND: To cover all my bases. I found this. Did Obama attend Occidental under a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students?

            No. According to various news sources Obama did attend on a scholarship, but it wasn’t a Fulbright scholarship, let alone a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students. The Fulbright Foreign Student Program accepts Master’s Degree and Ph.D. candidates only. Obama, an undergraduate, was neither. He couldn’t have been awarded a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students even if he had been born outside the U.S. (Source: Fulbright Program)

            WHAT MORE CAN I TELL YOU? YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE TRUTH, OR AT LEAST THE TRUTH WHICH DISPELS YOUR BELIEFS. YOUR HATE FOR THIS MAN HAS LEAD YOU TO A WELL OF LIES, WHICH YOU APPARENTLY NEED TO DRINK FROM, TO COVER UP WHAT EVER INEXPLICABLE REASON YOU HAVE TO DISLIKE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE OF AMERICA. I PERSONALLY THINK YOU DON’T REALLY KNOW WHY YOU DISLIKE HIM.

          • Ibsyboy

            That belief between you and The Creator

          • onedonewong

            Ebonics or ESL???

          • Ibsyboy

            Yes indeed, good catch Cracker.

        • onedonewong

          You mean like Bill Clinton, LBJ and FDR

      • onedonewong

        Reid can end the drama just let him produce his tax records 1ST

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          Here I Will Say It Again Take Your Ass Kissing Of The Rich Man Somewhere Else Stop Talking To Me!! You Racist ASSHOLE TROLL!!!

          • onedonewong

            typical blue gum negro

          • Ibsyboy

            What kind of relationship do you have with God and his son Jesus? This comment is a sad desperate, frustrated remark. You’re running out of things to say, and out of frustration, you stoop as low as you can to come up with this comment. This is a sign of a truly frustrated individual when you will go to this line of response.
            I think I now know why you hate Obama. Has nothing to do with College transcripts, bowing to foreign dignitaries, none of the crap you have been hiding behind on this entire thread. You just don’t like Negroes. I can’t tell whether you are male, female or gay. But y’all don’t like the colored folk, no how. You should just say that in the first place, your among friends here, use the “N” word if you like. It will save you a lot of frustration, trying to discredit the President of the United States of America with all that Right Wing hogwash. Come on let it out. Free yourself of the shackles of Right Wing Baloney.

          • onedonewong

            Did you ask Fern?? She’s the one with the viral attacks. I simply responded in Kind.
            No I just don’t Negros like Fern the low class scum who populates this web site that you seem to ignore.
            Every thing I posted about Obama is factual

        • Ibsyboy

          My grandmother had a parrot with more interesting things to say than the stuff you parrot for the Right Wing.

          • onedonewong

            Knowing your family it was a crow and you ate it

          • Ibsyboy

            You don’t know shit about my family you obnoxious cock sucker. You fucking hillbilly crank snorting fucking moron. Your a racist twit with a gigantic low self image problem. Your over riding inferiority complex has lead you to reach down to the bottom of the barrel for some low shit. Fucking with my family is out of bounds, you pathetic little trailer trash, living in mom’s basement or at your girlfriends apartment jerk off, mother fucker. Grow the fuck up you homeless twit. I have been polite enough to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your aimless, imbecilic comments. And have tried to engage in some sharing of information, but your narrow minded Right Wing Racist, Misogynistic inferior world view is a waste of everyone’s time. You have nothing to say, you don’t know shit about anything, and you keep saying the same asinine stuff over and over, and as you have obviously run out of Right Wing horse shit, you decided to slam my family, who you do not know, and if you did i’d still be pissed at you you brainless, ignorant limped dick mother fucker. And everything in this comment is a certifiable fact.

          • onedonewong

            Just because you don’t know who your father is is no shame on yor part. 80% of all blacks are in your category

          • Ibsyboy

            You do realize that if I knew where you were, and could touch you, you would be over. You have no idea who you are fucking with. We here in NJ do not take lightly insults to our FAMILY. If you have the balls to stand up and reveal your self and where you are, I am sure there is someone there I could trust with the situation. I have a very very large Family.

          • onedonewong

            Insults to your family?? Your an insult to every family. I have no doubt you have a very large family most colored do because they don’t work and have nothing better to do than lay in bed all day as you eat your govt cheese and talk on your obama phone.
            As for living in NJ sorry about that it rivals NYC as the arm pit of the world

          • Ibsyboy

            And all the men in my family have giant cocks that white women love to death. They can’t get enough of it. The white women just love staying in our beds all day admiring our giant cocks. And our women all love having babies, because it entails getting screwed with a giant cock. Laying in bed all day screwing white woman with our giant cocks while they feed us government cheese., and beg for more giant cock. Yes you have us completely figured out. NJ is where the keynote speaker at the GOP convention comes from, he is our chubby Tony Soprano wannabe. We love him for his dedication to our special little armpit. He is part Sicilian there for he is part Negro. As you well know the Negroes from Africa conquered Italy at one time and screwed all the Italian women with their big Negro cocks. That’s is the weapon that conquered Italy. The Gigantic Negro Cock. He will never be President unfortunately, because his is part Italian and white people hate Italians as much if not more than Negroes, that is why Governor is about a high an office an Italian can get. there has never been an Italian President and there never will be. White people elected a Negro first. No Italian will ever become President, unless the Negro population becomes a majority, and they vote for a Gumba.

        • Ibsyboy

          He has of course released more than 30 years of detailed [personal finance disclosures]. There is exponentially more information available to the public about Sen. Reid’s financial life than there is about Mitt Romney’s.”

          • onedonewong

            Nope its not. the fact that his disclosure doesn’t count in as income the Native donations shows he’s a tax cheat

          • Ibsyboy

            Get lost loser. What about the other stuff about the college transcripts, I noticed you let those slide. You are boring, tiring, a sad sack, not worth the air you suck out of the atmosphere. Take a hike hick.

          • onedonewong

            I’m glad that you want barak to produce his college records…good for you

          • Ibsyboy

            Well you do know why he will not produce them, he didn’t really go to college thatis what is being hidden from the Public. He did not go to Columbia and Harvard, he was not the President of the Harvard Law review, those photos in the year books are fakes, placed there by the Kenyan Government as part of their plan to get him into the White House, they got him a fake law degree on line, had him hired by one of the most prestigious law firms in Chicago, by paying the law firm off, then the Kenyan Government got him a seat in the Illinois legislature, by bribing the entire population of Illinois. then the Kenyan Government bribed the entire population to vote for Obama as President. Now they are bribing people again to get him re elected. When he takes office for his second term, he will have America renamed the USK. United States of Kenya. The 50 year grand plan will finally come to a close. Negroes will rise up out of poverty and take over the USA. They have all been pretending to be poor and taking your money to run the USA down, when they leave poverty they will reveal themselves as economists, scientists, engineers, and they will take away all the white folks jobs and push the White Folks into poverty, which is slowly happening already thanks to Obama and his friends at Negro Corporations. And every African nation will rise up against the White Man, with nuclear weapons acquired from their Chinese and Muslim Brothers and obliterate the entire white population of the earth. That’s is the sole reason Obama was born, to fulfill the great plan begun in the small nation of Kenya some 50 plus years ago. The Black Panthers will replace the police force, and national guard. The Pentagon will be taken over by Muslims, Sharia law will be imposed. white men will become slaves and White Women will belong to big cocked Negro males. God Bless the Lord for providing Negro men with giant cocks.

          • onedonewong

            Barak never worked for a law firm he worked for ACORN. I wouldn’t put anything else you said past the Kenya govt
            Negroes will never rise up it requires initative and brains

          • Ibsyboy

            Obama worked as an associate (a non partner, in case you didn’t know what an associate is) at the law firms of Sidley Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990. In 1993, he joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, where he was an associate (a non Partner) for three years from 1993 to 1996. All law firms have a few Partners, that’s where the names of the firms come from, and the other attorneys in the firm are associates. (Just to keep you up to speed, in case you should mistakenly think associates are not lawyers, or employees) I hope I didn’t insult you by including that clarification.

            As for the Negroes rising up. If R&R by some miracle get in, and fulfill their promise to starve the poor out of poverty, you will see an uprising. Not only Negroes but poor Caucasians as well, for more and more Caucasians have been driven into Poverty by the harsh obstructionism of the GOP & The Teahadists, in not addressing the jobs situation. Did you miss the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. If you were old enough at the time, I am sure it was just a minor nuance to you. It was the time the Slaves finally were guaranteed their constitutional right to vote.

            Just a refresher: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

            Don’t you ever tire of being WRONG?

          • onedonewong

            And just want cases did barak work on?? he did the probono work for the firms because he was their token hire. they wouldn’t let him touch anything important
            Blacks are the largest group on every handout 49% of all welfare recipients are black more than whites. The same for food stamps and crime and drugs and illegitimate babies. That’s why Barak eliminated the work requirement from welfare.
            Yep i saw the riots and those knuckle heads did 1 thing DESTROYED their own neighborhoods which were still destroyed until orientals came in and rebuilt them. same thing with NO after Katrina. Mexico sent of 10’s of thousands of people to rebuild the city since all the locals were all on welfare and the red cross VISA cards.
            Its a shame that you can quote the preamble but not understand that when a group of people refuse to help themselves no matter how much the deck is stacked to help them society views them as outcasts and lazy

          • Ibsyboy

            Jesus loves you. You are not alone.

          • onedonewong

            Is Barak your Messiah??

          • Ibsyboy

            There is only one Messiah. Our lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.

          • onedonewong

            Not the green cooking fatback eating guy in the WH??? Good for you

      • KurtofLA

        We are almost out of “Idiot of the month” awards. With people like Woodfork what wonder we have the government we have

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/CO2QQNWXNFJVHG5LMWX64VMDCQ Howard

      The problems of this country do not stem from Romneys Tax return that is just a false argument put forward by the Obama criminal regime in order to change the subject.Its no accident that Reid spewed out these lies on the senate floor (where he is protected from law suits) ,if he said it anywhere else he would be guilty of malicious slander
      If its openness transparency that is in-question then I say Romney should only release more records when Obama does the following
      Unseal his college records from Columbia and Harvard and also how did he pay for the schooling

      Unseal his pass port records
      Unseal his Social Security records
      The problems of this country do not stem from Romneys Tax returns

      • ococoob

        Look, if Romney was straight up in the beginning about his taxes, this wouldn’t be such a big deal. Why should he be any different than any of the other past Presidents? Simply put, what is his problem having to reveal his taxes, eh? It’s a poor excuse blaming as you called, “Obama criminal regime.” What is Romney hiding here?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/W43IN6DBLMPZZMQSSFNLXT7KZM Mortgage

          Just because Romney does not want everyone in all of his personal business does not mean he is hiding anything. He turn in what was required for him to turn in. This is just another smoke screen by the President to get us away from the real issues. You need to read what I have seen in the health care bill. In the future, the government is going to have the ability and right to to directly into your bank account and take you money. Also, the federal government is going to set all doctor’s rates. If you are older and become very ill, our govenment will decide if you can get medical treatment according to if it is feasible to treat you. This is a form of genecide to me. Wake up…and smell the gas chambers…they are being readied and I sure hope you or your family members do not become very ill..the new health care will not cover you. This is NOT the type of health care that we as a great nation need.

          • SaneJane

            You are repeating debunked myths about the healthcare bill. If you actually read the law I have to seriously question your comprehension skills. Perhaps if you read the law or a reliable summary of the law you would not have to be so frightened all the time. Sniffing out gas chambers and other things to fear is an unrewarding occupation.

          • onedonewong

            Debunked?? Debunked by who Nancy Peeelosi who hasn’t read the bill??

          • WhutHeSaid

            Wow — you sound nuttier than a shit-house rat. If you must dance around in the rhetorical dog-poop, please confine it to your own trailer park.

          • old_blu

            Mortgage, I’m going to quote a friend. ” You know you are not right, and I don’t mean you are wrong, you just ain’t right.”

          • ococoob

            Stay on the subject here, ok? Romney has something to hide here. This tells me everything about his integrity and character. The man is running for POTUS and thus, he is FAIR game, so release some more just like all previous POTUS have done.

          • joyscarbo

            GIVE EM HELL, HARRY REID!!!!! Make Mitty show all 10 years of tax returns!!!! :D

          • onedonewong

            He’s released the same number of records just like previous candidates

          • ococoob

            Whaaaaat??!! You’re response is asinine! If you say he released the same number of records just like the other ones, why is he being questioned about it now? Why is there a hoopla about it now? I stand by what I see, he NEVER released more than a couple of his records, PERIOD!

          • onedonewong

            WHY because Barak has made sure the state run media keeps it as an issue. John McCain in the last election only released 2 years as well as Kerry who only released 1year and Kennedy who refused to release any

          • ococoob

            Why then respected journalists such as George Will and other prominant Republican politicians in his own party strongly suggest that he release more of his tax records?

          • Dmullins84

            Hey my friend Mortgage, wake up and smell the roses. No one is going to take your monies as long as you pay your debt, and Grand Mau does not have to worry she will not be pushed over the cliff. What I like about you Conservatives you can be smelled a mile away, all you like to do is scare the hell out of the people who will listen to you. I’m proud to say as a retired Military Man I don’t worry about the small things in life and especially not scared by people who knows little to nothing of what they are talking about, and believes everything they are told by their Politicians. Not to worry Sir, you will not be pushed into hell. They say hell is is nine times hotter than regular fire. So please Mr.President don’t send this Man to the gas chamber.

          • Joseph Hemphill

            you are nothing but a GOTP bootlicker spreading your mis-information and lies

          • joyscarbo

            NOPE!! You’re wrong….wrong…wrong…wrong!! He is hiding something by not doing what any other president hasn’t done: prove where his income(s) is derived!!! PROVE IT!!! Prove that he’s paid taxes and not trying to scam the government that he is attempting to rule over.
            A smoke screen is when repubs try to claim Obama’s birth certificate is phony- and that’s been conclusively proven to be wrong. Or trying to claim that Obama is a muslim, when that too has been proven to be wrong. (I could continue to regurgitate all the smoke screens that neo-cons have thrown out there. But they’ve all been confirmed as untruths.)

            Oh..and by the way…the Healthcare Reform Act does, indeed, have a mandate that comes with a monetary penalty for those who refuse to have healthcare. But the monetary penalty has absolutely NO TEETH- that is, no way to enforce payment of this penalty. Yeah, it says that there’s a $100 penalty, but the government shall not garnish or reduce wages, bank accounts or other sources of monies to satisfy this penalty. It also goes on to say that the government shall not place leins against property or belongings to satisfy the this penalty.

            Get your facts straight….go back and read….and show me where the enforcement of this $100 penalty. Prove it…you won’t find it.

          • Dave_dido

            Yeah, Mortgage, Medicare has been killing people left and right for the past fifty years. Oh, I forgot, people on Medicare say they like their government plan. Oh, well, there goes that argument.
            As for the government going into your bank account and taking money, they’ve been doing that for a long time. When people owe back taxes the government, after several warnings, will go after your bank accounts. So far the sky hasn’t fallen in and the government has not taken money that was not due them.
            Like most Pres. Obama haters, your arguments are nothing but myths, lies and exaggerations.

          • Gammaanya

            You must be Santorum,. ACA is benefiting the oldest the best, and yes we should have a limit how much doctors can charge, so they don’t rip off Medciare anymore. Get your head out of your party and concentrate on Issues and your COUNTRY.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/YPI4NVMAWGSK43SFUAL6OUISGA Bunny

          The more Romney delays showing his taxes , the more I distrust him. Just get it over with, and get on with other business.

          • Ibsyboy

            You should add the selection of Private Ryan to that list of distrust. This is a much bigger problem than tax returns. Romney just gave the election to Obama with this PALIN TWO choice. Ryan is toxic. His medicare stance is a death wish for the Romney campaign.

        • onedonewong

          he’s released all the pertinent tax records just like previous presidents

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BTGXB7S2Q2ZE32JQ4XKPB3BBKU David

        Howard, why is it that President Obama is the only President or Presidential Candidate that has been asked to release his Birth Certificate, now his college record, etc. We did not ask that of Sen McCain who is obviously a US citizen even though he was born in Panama as the color of his skin and his “American” name tells us without a doubt that he is a US Citizen.

        Gov Romney refuses to follow precident in his tax returns as he is hiding stuff. Why not release them and get it over/ he is hiding stuff. No the solution to our problems are not in the Gov’s tax returns. All we will find out from them is how far removed he is from the rest of us. Simple adage for the super rich, tails he wins, heads he wins. His object is to protect those he knows, the super super rich.

        • http://www.facebook.com/crzydancer Richard Holmes

          bammy is a liar a thief a muslam socialist out to destroy america. Everything about this crap pile should be reviled so everyone will see he is not eligible to be in the office he holds, or this country for that matter.

          • LVSUNSHINE

            Oh My Richard, You are really showing your intelligence. NOT!

          • http://www.facebook.com/elisabeth.gordon1 Elisabeth Gordon

            …and you Sir are a racist imbecile

          • Joseph Hemphill

            to quote Bugs Bunny…. ” What a Maroon “

          • joyscarbo

            And Mitty is a LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE. Mitty just needs to give up the tax returns that he’s filed in the past 5-10 years!!! That will get repubes exactly what they want….to make a Dem look like a LIAR!! He won’t do it…..WATCH!!!!!

        • phantomoftheopera

          It’s interesting to hear the outcry when the left acts like the right. How long did Obama have to put up with the birther ridiculousness? What’s the old saying–what’s good for the goose is good for the gander? Guess they don’t like being ganders!!

      • joujou228

        “I’m not a crook” said Nixon. Do repblicans want another Nixon? Mitt Romney is a liar. He lied in 2002 when he ran for Governor, he lied before, he needs to put-up or shut-up in his word!

      • http://www.facebook.com/russ.capron Russ Capron

        Obama “criminal regime”? Spoken like a true rethug teabagger! President Obama is doing an EXTREMELY commendable job in view of the mess left to him by the bush/cheney debacle.

        All that arrogant bas#@rd romney has to do is release his tax returns if he wants to prove Harry Reid is saying anything untoward.

        Obama received scholarships and was probably an honor student with some typical college hi-jinks, which he has NEVER tried to hide! His passport is undoubted more up-to-date than most and why on earth would YOU or anyone else need to see his Social Security records?

        The problems of this country may not stem from romney’s tax returns but they certainly DO stem from the actions of the rich and greedy, and if that scumbag gets installed in the White House (he won’t be elected but the rethugs have NO hestitations about STEALING the election through rigged machinery and corrupt SCOTUS decisions) things will be much worse for the regualr people. It will push people over the edge and a revolutionary war will be the next step.

        • http://www.facebook.com/elisabeth.gordon1 Elisabeth Gordon

          Russ – you have not overstated the utter destruction that will occur in this country if GOD forbid Rmoney is elected….it is extremely evident the the GOP hates Obama more than they love their homeland….Romney SCARES me to death and anyone that doesn’t get that is in for a VERY big surprise…

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/YPI4NVMAWGSK43SFUAL6OUISGA Bunny

            I have never been so scared about an Election ! Bush did scare me after the Republicans stole the election in 2000, but this SCARES me MORE ! ! !

      • Dmullins84

        Hey there Howard my Man how do you know it’s no accident what he spewed out, and how do you know they are lies. You know as little as I do about it and the best thing for you and I both to do is shut the hell up and wait for the facts to come out. If I was a betting Man I would be willing to bet there are lots of problems with Mr. Mitt Romney’s Taxes over the years. The IRS should open them up and Validate them one way or the other for the sake of the Tax Payers. I’ve been Audited twice in my life time and it’s no big deal unless you have something to hide. I guess it’s all in who’s Ox is being gored. That’s the way you Republicans are you can do no wrong.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joan-Maurer/100000910841619 Joan Maurer

        It is not common practice for a candidate to release college records, pass port records ( those records are known by State Department officials under several administrations) and Social Security records (WHY would you want these?) ; IT IS common practice for multiply years of tax records to be released. I know everything I need to know about President Obama’s student days. He was admitted to Harvard Law School, was editor of The Harvard Law Review, and grduated with high honors (3.5+ GPA). I find it very disturbing that you question how President Obama paid for college. I know from public records all I need to about that – the President had scholarships, student loans, help from his family and a job. That is the way most people lucky enough to be admitted to Harvard, but no sliver spoon pay for college.

        In oder for Senator Reid ‘s assertion to be deemed untruthful or slanderous – Candidate Romney would have to release 10 years of tax records. Did you even read the post you are commenting on? Sanator Reid has repeated his source’s assertions in venues where he is not protected from prosecution for slander.

        Nobody in this article or post has asserted that this country’s problems are the result of candidate Romney’s tax records. What Can Be asserted, by me, is that Romney’s tax records will reveal that far from being the solution to our economic woes he is part of the problem. We have a stagnant economy – Romney has millions in banks outside the US. We have a huge defecit that needs to be paid down – Romney has paid a 13.9% tax rate on millions of investment income and wants to pay less than that.

        One of the problems is that people who have reaped great benefit and wealth from this great nation – do not want to help regrow it. Building and repairing roads and bridges, improving schools and other public buildings, upgrades to our energy grid, all this could be accomplishds to Everyones benefit if we had the will, leadership and tax revenues.

        Because Romney has no solution or plan to do any of the things that need doing (his tax plan would add to the defecit) He Is Part Of The Problem.

        • Dmullins84

          Now, as far as I can tell It’s looking more likely every day that Mr. Romney is running on the Republican Ticket to take the President’s job. I know very little about this Man other than he’s a big time flip flopper and will grab credit from the jaws of a lion if he thinks it will benefit him. It’s also been said he has real problems with the truth, and speaks only for the Rich and Famous with deep pockets.

          I believe if Romney is elected he will degrade the middle working class people’s style of living for years to come. The poor and Middle class people in this country will continue to suffer more and more with limited job availability, and reduction in pay. People, when you step into the voting booth come November Make sure you are fully aware of his beliefs and planed policies before casting your vote. Don’t listen to all this Hog Wash from Romney’s Co hearts. He’s already stated a lot of programs supporting the Working Class, and Poor will be done away with. He also stated Raising tax on the rich to help take care of some of these shortfalls is off the table. So now, do you need to be reminded on where the short fall will come from, I think not. You know it will come out of the Middle Working Class, and the poor working class people’s hide.

          In the event Mitt Romney should be elected as our next President I will support him with the things I believe in and above all treat him with respect as my President until we can vote him out of office. Some of these same Radical believers and followers’, with a number of them living off the Government will flock to the polls like lamb’s to slaughter voting lock step for this man, only because their Man of the Claw, and Republican surrogates tells them it’s the right thing to do. The majority of these voters will listen to these people and take their word as gospel without checking out the facts. I’ve learned over my 83-year life span the largest number of liars in this country is the Preachers, Lawyer’s, and Politicians, but maybe not necessarily in this order. Even some of the Republican strategist are starting to believe they may have lost their way. You will find these people stay deeply involved in Politics and generally flock together at most all the Political gatherings. Most of these people will not do an honest day’s work if their life depended upon it. These same Liars actually prey on, and live off the fruits of the Middle Class and the poor tax payers in this country. Look out people when you go to the polls to vote, you may get everything but what you thought you were voting for. There’s a snake laying in the weeds waiting to strike.

          • Gammaanya

            AMEN.

      • Ibsyboy

        Tit for tat does not a good argument make. It’s childish; show me yours and I’ll show you mine. What we have here is an Elitist move on Romney’s part. His wealth has provided him with a life of privilege, and he thinks that privilege extends into running for the Highest Office in the land, well it doesn’t. The sheer arrogance displayed by the Tax Return Sham, displays a side of the man which increases my distrust of him as the Top Executive of the USA. He is not aware of how average Americans live, how or why would he care if he became President. The last silver spooned kid was loyal to his clan, why not this guy. I distrust obscene wealth in public office, responsible for the public trust. He dispassionately out sourced jobs, which are never coming back to the USA. His company is currently moving jobs to China. Freeport, IL a profitable company, Sensata technologies has fired it’s employees to move the Jobs to China. Embarrassing the employees by making them train their Chinese replacements. Out sourcing is unpatriotic. Companies like Bain, and their owners (Romney) are un-American in their pursuit of Profit Taking. Those jobs belong here, not in Communist China. This behavior is worst than Socialism. It’s killing the middle and working classes of Ameirca. I don’t trust Profit Takers. And anyone who does; I have a bridge to sell you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/larry.yocum.7 Larry Yocum

        Tell me why it’s malicious slander? Is wanting to get to the bottom of an issue that should be a public record ( he is after all running for President of the US of A ) something that is wrong? Methinks he (Mitt the Twit) protests too much.

      • 1concernedsenior

        howard, If you trust mitt (sounds like a dogs’ name) so much BUY A USED CAR FROM HIM!! Besides our beloved President has executive priviledge! Oh, by the way I WANT PEOPLE TO START USING THE WORD PRESIDENT ->BEFORE THE NAME OBAMA !!

      • geaaronson

        Actually Howard, public persons can not sue for slander as easily as the rest of us. That is how Anne Coulter gets away with the garbage that spews out of her mouth. Before she visited Canada last year, Canadian authorities warned her not to make the slanderous remarks about public officials that she was accustomed to here in the US.
        So for your information, it is not that he is making those statements on the Senate floor but that public persons, ie. people who search their fame in the public domain, can not sue. They are fair game for any comments made by private or public citizens. Get your facts straight and then you might have a thread of credulity.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4VRVNB5TCTM2BBD6GVQVQLGZOY RobBar

        The problem is Romeny’s tax returns as it is with so many rich and wealthy people sending their money overseas to hide from paying their taxes. Get your head out of the sand!!! I think the “Black” man has proved enough. All we want to see are tax returns….eye for an eye! Don’t bring up other things to cover up a crooked millionaires dealings…

      • Wilbur Moore

        Coming froma state that is full of thieves like Florida, it easy to see why you stand with Romney! The president records are sealed stupid,because of people like you. Every President records are sealed you dumb ass!!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/W2QICAMS6GDTTV7IEYBPDWLAEA Jonboy

        This country’s faults are and were made by rich people giving out loans to persons who could not possibly pay it then they reposessed the home and are keeping them writing cash payment losses off on income tax and even getting bailouts from both parties . FUnny where are those reposessed houses. sitting in the hip pocket of those that wrote the notes Waiting for real estate to make its comback then going to flood the market with them and make tons more cash all at the cost of the middle income/ low income workers. all the while Not paying a dime on the Interest or there Income because they lost cash now payments.

        For some reason this country lets you guess how much your going to make at an aggressive level and if you dont make that much You can write it off as a business loss. HOW riduculous. and
        Yes if the 1% paid their fair share of taxes this county would be a hell of a lot better than where its at now.

        P.S. your missing the whole point his tax recored are relevant to prove he made money shipping AMERICAN jobs out of the country at Bain and other place.

      • darkagesbegin

        and they don’t stem from Obama’s birth certificate or social security number, either. If you want to talk about false arguments and red herrings, look no further than the big money spenders supporting the Republican party.

      • http://www.facebook.com/gerald.hoey.9 Gerald Hoey

        Uh, actually Harry reid made the charges in an interview with the Huffington Post. He later repeated them on the floor of the senate. So if the statements are libelous then the Mittster can sue. Of course then he would have to produce the tax returns to prove his case. Don’t hold your breath for that one. As to the other garbage in your post, has Mitt released his college records? Taht would be a big no. Same for the other stuff. I think you don’t want the returns released for the same reason I do want them released. We both think there is something in there so awful it will sink his campaign.

        • joyscarbo

          Ahhhhh!! But Mittens could only sue Mr. Reid if his “Bain informant” was wrong about him. That means Mitty must come up with the Good Stuff….and the we’ll all get to see what kind of wacky crap is in theo tax returns.

          • karenc

            Actually, Reid would be ok even if the source were wrong. All Reid claimed was that his source told him that. As long as there was a source and he said that, Reid told did not lie.

      • http://twitter.com/LifesSoSweet Anthony McDaniel

        Howard “you are an idiot” would be malicious slander. What Reid said was not slander at all. One of the most fundamental privileges in this country during an election season is to GET TO KNOW whom it is that wants to lead this country through a vetting process (ie; releasing tax returns). When you take away the public’s right to see what a candidate is about via legal documentation you reduce the public’s awareness to a “take my word for it” mentality.

      • Joseph Hemphill

        the problems of this country stem from policies and politics of the rich manipulating their way to even greater ill gotten gains all the while sanctimoniously thumbing their collective noses at the middle class.

      • Ibsyboy

        Now I was with you on the tax returns, because you are right, it’s a political tactic on the part of Obama’s team to define Romney. But then you go to Regime, Criminal, If Reid said it anywhere else he would not hof had a problem, why say that when you know it’s wrong. It’s no more slanderous than any of the mud tossed at Obama from the private sector. As you just did with and unsubstantiated use of Regime and Criminal.

        This is not a grade school recess period. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours. Romney gave McCain 23 years of returns to be considered for VP, and for the most powerful job in America, and the world. He says F**k You to the American voters, who are trying to decide if this guy is legit.

        What do you expect to see from Obama’s passport and SS records? I don’t expect to see anything from Romney’s returns, it’s just the principle of the thing. Presidents before him have released more returns than one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/crzydancer Richard Holmes

      bammyboy hasn’t shown all his papers ana was never vetted. He has a lot to hide from America.

    • http://www.facebook.com/elisabeth.gordon1 Elisabeth Gordon

      I think there are many reasons he is not releasing the returns, not the least of which is that then his church would know that he HAS NOT been paying 10% tithing….if he loses his credibility with the Mormon church, as he has lost ALL credibility with any thinking, rational human being, then he has no audience left. He craves attention almost as much as he craves money.

    • Glenn Hassig

      I wonder if we should ask for an IQ score as well. Because if he thinks saying “I paid a lot of taxes” is a good enough answer I have to question his intelligence.

      He really is out of touch with the people that is clear

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-M-Doherty-Sr/100001679118748 William M. Doherty Sr.

      Mit has been making some of his tax returns public. Obama still has’t made the information asked for by the “Vetting” committie available yet.

      • Dave_dido

        Exactly who is the “vetting” committee?

    • sigrid28

      The “victim of vicious attacks” seems to be Harry Reid, not Mitt Romney. I just witnessed a Fox News scroll running, ironically, under the story of another eruption of gun violence. The Fox News scroll accused Harry Reid of being a former heroin addict, one-time prisoner, and a tax cheat, while giving no attribution for the remark.

      First, the irony of right-wing hate lies scrolling under the story of a White Supremacist, neo-Nazi gunning down defenseless Sikhs during preparation for morning worship should not go unnoticed. It is a proverb in video: hate lies have consequences.

      Second, I wish there were some immediate remedy, for those who are falsely accused and for those who die because of right-wing extremists who accept these dangerous fabrications as whole cloth.

      Perhaps there is a long-term though by no means ideal remedy. Harry Reid could bring a defamation of character suit against Fox News, even if any of this garbage were true, based on the scroll showing no attribution whatsoever. Fox is responsible for the content of its news programming. Another advantage of bringing suit, the network’s deep pockets are ripe for the harvesting. There might be a virtue in saddling un-civil, right-wing propagandists with years of civil litigation and legal costs. As for their liberal victims, legal wrangles ought not to be one of the liabilities of public service, but they should not be avoided in the case of slander, libel, and dangerous speech inciting violence.

    • onedonewong

      Have you seen Joe Biteme’s and his income from the taxpayers for the SS using a guest cottage in Del?/

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOM2XXVLQZHV7FGB7D3UAXG6FM David

      Romney has already released the tax records required “like most presidential candidates do”. Asking for more is ridiculous, petty and unjustified.

    • onedonewong

      Romney has released his tax returns just like other candidates have. When will Barak release his college records which EVERY president and candidate has done??

  • widollar

    Mitt Romney is not worthy of becoming Commander In Chief. He is far too secretive and now believes he does not have to answer to anyone. Well, Mr. Romney the American public just might disagree with your position! With his constant changing on most issues, it is difficult to find out just where he stands on the important issues. He is now viewed as a person who you simply cannot trust.

    • montanabill

      You are aghast at thinking Romney is ‘far too secretive’, and yet, Obama keeps far more secrets. You don’t know where Romney stands, but yet I’ll bet you trust Obama, who (on the record) says all kinds of contradictory stuff and his actions are usually far from his spoken word. Maybe just a tad hypocrisy?

      • Dianes4babies

        There has never been a more secretive candidate running for president than Romney! He refuses to commit or state his beliefs on any single issue…refuses! When asked about his opinion, his only response has been “that’s not part of my campaign”! So then what the heck is part of his campaign? If it is the economy, which “seems” to be what he is running on, but yet, once again, refuses to tell us what the heck his plan is! It has been quite obvious what President Obama stands for, and he certainly does not flip flop from one day to the other! There is NO comparison between the two men!

        • montanabill

          I will direct your attention to campaign speeches of a certain Senator Obama in 2008. They are on the record, in case you have forgotten.

          • http://www.facebook.com/blake.faulkner.7 Blake Faulkner

            I was much more impressed with Barack Obama’s open opposition as an Illinois state senator (1997-2004) to the Bush administration’s WMD-hyped decision to begin the Iraq War. That was a courageous position to take back in those years with the events of 9/11 still so painfully fresh. And the frustration at not getting Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora so widely felt…and politically disturbing. Many Americans back then were led to believe by the neocon war hawks that Saddam Hussein was allied with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda…when the truth was just the opposite…U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton (D. NY) voted for the Iraq War to avoid being seen as unsupportive of the Commander-In-Chief. Most of the ‘lib’rul’ media gave Bush a pass on that decision as well.

          • montanabill

            It was interesting that he was able to reach a conclusion with the little information that would have been available to a state senator. I would have to conclude that he was simply anti-war and had little else to base it on.

          • metrognome3830

            I have to give you a lot of credit, Bill. Really. Your views are nearly totally meaningless, yet you keep hammering away with them. That’s real dedication. Keep the faith Bill.

      • BDD1951

        Like what????

        • montanabill

          They don’t usually let you put web site addresses here, but Google: ‘Obama contradictions list’.

          • BDD1951

            In the meantime be sure and Google Romney’s, too.!!!!!!

          • montanabill

            I have. So they are both lying politicians. The real question is which one is likely to get the economy moving again bringing jobs back. We know one can’t and the other one might.

      • metrognome3830

        Bill, the very fact that you so strongly defend Romney would be enough to make me very suspicious of him. Obama “says all kinds of contradictory stuff?” How does that differentiate him in any way from Mitt Romney?

        • montanabill

          It doesn’t. I would even defend Obama against the kind of sleazy attack perpetrated by Harry Reid. The biggest difference is what the future will be. We have had nearly 4 years of Obama, who’s very ego caused him to brashly claim that he would solve the economic problems within 2 years or a least by the end of his first term. As we have seen, neither he nor his advisers have the knowledge or experience to even slow down the sinking ship. In fact, they are sinking it faster.
          Maybe Romney can’t stop the bleeding either, but I know that business has a lot of confidence in him and just that confidence will be enough for them to starting investing and building again. Without that happening, America will become a second-rate country with a very large poor dependent class, a very rich class and a government ruling class.

          • metrognome3830

            And what help has the Republican congress been Bill. None at all. They just fold their arms across their chests and say no to everything. They ignorantly sign a “No New Taxes” pledge for Grover Norquist, even though the taxes they are refusing to even discuss are not new. Just re-imposed taxes that they have had temporarily reduced. In return for that, where are the jobs? There is no president that can create jobs, Bill. So while our patriotic business moguls hide what may possibly be trillions of dollars offshore, your Republican friends cheer them on and still no jobs. The correct term for that, Bill, is blackmail. You are right that business has a lot of confidence in Romney. They are completely and justifiably confident that the day he steps into office, they will get everything they want. And the rest of us will get nothing or less.

          • montanabill

            Excuse me! They have passed 30 bills and given them to the Senate. Harry Reid is so afraid some of his Democrat Senators might actually become bipartisan that he refuses to even let them be debated much less come up for a vote. He is the man of ‘NO’.
            They haven’t reimposed a single tax. Only Obama has actually imposed new taxes, mostly on the middle class (Obamacare).
            I guess using the worlds ‘mogul’ and ‘off-shore accounts’ somehow allows you to justify your thinking, but over 3,000,000 Americans belong to the demonized 1% and darn few of them have off-shore accounts and they pay an average tax rate of 24% while the next level (the rest that pay taxes) average 5%. You can’t even prove that off-shore accounts are used for anything but legitimate business purposes.
            There is one thing for sure if Obama is re-elected. You will get something. It will either be unemployment, or when that runs out, some other form of welfare until China decides to stop loaning us money. But it won’t be a job. When business determines that it is safe to invest in growth again, they will need plenty of good employees. That’s when the middle class will stop being hammered.

          • metrognome3830

            Bill, I don’t know where you get your figures, but you are usually several miles off the mark. But be that as it may, if the polls aren’t as wide of the mark as you generally are, we will have Mitt Romney as president and we will then see how the economy improves for the middle class. Just a word of advice, Bill. Don’t try holding your breath until you see that improvement. Then we can compare the differences between Obama and Romney. It shouldn’t take long. However, if the polls are as wrong as you are, Obama will get re-elected and by 2014 we will all be under a Socialist dictatorship and we won’t be able to express any opinions. So continue on while you still can, Bill.

          • montanabill

            I don’t expect a socialist dictatorship, just more of fascist government where more of the rule of law is selectively ignored and there is more business control by central government, a country continuing in severe decline, a very large poor class dependent even more dependent on government, a rich class though not as large as today’s, and a growing government class, more agencies and bureaucrats creating law through regulations. We have seen the trend now for 3 1/2 years, do you expect it be different under a second Obama term? The debt will continue to soar as government continues to borrow to pay the dependents until a wall is hit, like Greece, and social unrest (more and worse occupiers) starts raging because people are getting their goodies. We have so far escaped the wrath of inflation because of the newly printed money, but that demon is still there and will appear eventually.
            I am reminded of a line from one of Jeff Foxworth’s routines, “If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.”

          • metrognome3830

            Bill, all of that didn’t happen in 31/2 years. It has been slowly progressing for at least a dozen years, or more. Do I expect it to get better? No. I hope for it to get better but I am prepared for it to get worse. Do you expect it to get better if Mitt Romney is president? My reaction to that possibility is still the same. As for Jeff Foxworthy, he is a funny guy, I like him. But what’s not funny is the polarization of the two parties. The Republicans co-opted by the Tea Party radicals, pulling to the right, the Democrats being pulled left by the more radical left. The casualty here is the Center. That’s where the middle-class lives, Bill and we are not being represented by much of anyone at this point.

          • montanabill

            You are right about it not happening in 3 1/2 years, but it has certainly picked up steam over the last 5 1/2. Romney certainly wasn’t my first choice for President, but given the choices I don’t see where we have much of an option. Business believes Romney will, at least, roll back and slow down the pace of regulation (laws, not passed by vote), with a Republican controlled Congress eliminate Obamacare and get to work on a health care program that will actually reduce costs while providing some of the features that people like in Obamacare (but probably not keeping your kid on your insurance til 26). Even the hope that these things will happen will result in business coming out of it’s shell and starting the recovery.
            The debt has to be cut. I like the simple plan of eliminating all automatic or proposed increases and cutting all budgets 1% a year for a few years. Easier to swallow for everyone. The tax code needs tossed and a new, simpler code enacted. A new code should eliminate all complexity, pledges not to raise taxes, loopholes, targeted deductions, and broaden the tax base. Hopefully, one closer to a flat tax. Something has to be done for SS and Medicare. The President is starving SS with his so-called tax cut and those programs already have $120 trillion unfunded liability.
            The Democrats had a chance to propose solutions, but punted. Those proposed by Ryan have not been analyzed or discussed, just demonized. Demonizing probably won’t change with a change in control of Congress, but if they don’t start moving the country back to more individual responsibility, the tea party people will really move to the Libertarians leaving the Republican establishment floundering.

          • metrognome3830

            Social Security is a real sore spot for everyone. It is one of the biggest items on our debt list. But it got there because back when there was a surplus in Social Security funds, the government got the idea they could make themselves look good and balance the budget by just taking that money and leaving IOUs. I believe Lyndon Johnson was the first to authorize using Social Security funds for that purpose. Now, after “borrowing” all that money, they want us to settle for not getting repaid in full plus the interest. I think I will try that with my credit cards. I will just charge them up to the limit then get a law passed that says I only have to pay back part of it. There would still be a surplus of funds in Social Security if all the IOUs were repaid. I like the idea of simplifying the tax code. I think that needs to be done. I don’t think it can be a totally flat tax, but it can certainly be simplified. Our difference of opinion, Bill, lies in the fact that you have hope that a Republican president can change all this. I don’t believe that either side wants to change much of anything. Republicans want to preserve their tax cuts and increase taxes on the middle class. Democrats are prepared to let the Republicans keep their tax cuts and increase taxes on the middle class. Neither side represents those of us in the middle.

            I don’t buy into the theory that people have no individual responsibility. I believe that people are simply losing hope that anything will get better, no matter which party is in power. It may be wrong to give up hope, but it is much more understandable than believing that so many people just want to hang around and wait for government handouts. That’s an easy explanation, but it just doesn’t solve anything.

            As for Ryan’s proposals, who knows what they are. They change from time to time. It makes it difficult to analyze them. Ryan is no economic genius. He is just another self-serrving political hack.

          • montanabill

            Earnst & Young just released an independent study in which they forecast that if the President’s ‘tax just the rich’ increase is passed, it will cost the economy an additional 700,000+ jobs. That’s because a lot of business owner (like me) are S-Corps or LLC’s and their business’ profits are taxed at their individual rates. Increasing their taxes reduces the money available to them to fund their own growth, use for investments (and most savings is used for investments), give to charity or simply just spend on things. All this wild sloganeering about ‘off-shore accounts’ or ‘zero taxes’ does not apply to the vast majority of the high income people.
            Exactly what middle class tax increases has Romney proposed? I have heard Obama’s team touting them, but Romney himself, says he does not intend to raise taxes on anybody.
            Ryan has published his proposal. It is in the public domain for review and comment. Regardless of the political chatter, Ryan knows his way around economics with a degree from Miami (Ohio) in economics and politics. He made it clear from the beginning that he did not expect everyone to agree with his plan, but without a published plan, there could never be a starting point.

  • Brad Jones

    It makes you wonder what could be so damning that would have Romney choose to have all this speculation rather than reveal the truth.

    • BDD1951

      I personally think that those tax reurns will show that he was more involved with Bain Capitol than he will admit. Never the less, Senator Reid should not have made such a statement with being able to produce evidence.

  • chisolm

    Senator Reid should not be making accusations about Mr. Romney from the Senate floor. If the senator wants to act as a surrogate for the President’s campaign he should do it from the gutter like the rest of the political hacks.

    • 12voltman1

      What about…….
      “You Lie”-sen Joe Wilson (R-SC)???

      • chisolm

        Senator Wilson was chastised for his outburst and rightfully so. Senator Reid apparently gets a pass.

  • lmmd

    ROMNEY SHOULD JUST FESS UP AND SHOW HIS RETURNS!

  • carolknows

    romney..snake oil salesman..how many times does a person have to repeat the obvious?

    • 12voltman1

      No, Snake oil salesman have to have charm. Mittens has none.

  • http://www.facebook.com/marcus1955 Mark Curry

    I dont know why everone is complaining about Harry Reids cooment on Mitts taxexs when its obvious. Romney robs from the poor and gives to himself. A Multi billionaire president??? NOT!!!!!!

  • Tom_D44

    Hey Joe Conawhatever, I have a great idea. How about we let the IRS look at Romney’s returns, for which they have all of them, and if they find something illegal they file charges against him? Then we won’t have to rely on speculation, and un-named sources and we can see if he is guilty of anything based on the facts. In fact that is their job to do anyway and I bet they have a pretty good system for flagging and prosecuting repeat tax offenders.

    And that legal doctrine that you reference applies to people who are defending themselves from charges being pressed – for crimes alleged by authorities. Last I remembered Romney was not charged with any wrongdoing so why does he have to comply with your legal doctrine if he is an innocent man? Are you pressing charges? Do you or the media have the authority to charge people with crimes? Do you have any evidence? Does Ried? And if so why are the proper authorities not involved? Oh wait, you have an undisclosed source and that’s ok because everyone else uses those too.

    Your, “everybody else uses un-named sources too” argument to defend Reid is pathetic and I can’t even believe I spent time reading this article.

    • drewsco

      Nice try with that straw argument. No one is asserting that he did anything illegal, we’re simply accusing him of not paying any taxes during a ten year period. And yes, he may legally be entitled to deferring or diverting his income tax liability. So, the question you need to ask yourself is: IF he’s allowed to not pay taxes, then why doesn’t he simply say it and defend what he did……..hmmm yet we’re still waiting.

      • Tom_D44

        drewsco – accusing him based on what? Somebody’s wives, ex sister-in-law’s distant cousin said so? Come on buddy. In this country we don’t have to defend ourselves from every tom dick and harry that comes out and decides to slander us. And I seriously doubt that he paid NO taxes for 10 years. For a man with that income this is highly doubtful. But you keep buying into that little conspiracy your lefty friends keep feeding you.

    • Sweeeny

      Not breaking the law is not the issue here. It is not breaking the law to cheat on your spouse or to be an alcoholic or an atheist or have an abortion but some people think it is important to reveal this type of thing – not to prosecute but to help them decide if the candidate has the characteristics of someone they would or would not vote for. If its not important to you, don’t worry about it, use other criteria to decide, but do allow those who think it is important for a good American to pay the taxes to have the information they require in order to decide.

      • Tom_D44

        Oh my god Sweeny. Thank you for making my point exactly. We do need to understand the character of these people we vote for and that is a great point.

        So then you must have absolutely no problems with the people who were outraged when Obama wouldn’t release his birth certificate for almost a year, or the college records that no one could find during the entire campaign and have still not been released. You must have been demanding to see those so that we would all understand the man that we were being asked to vote for. His associations, his writings, his influences, how he got into these schools and paid for them, whether he engaged in drugs – you know all of those things that identify a man’s character which you so eloquently show the importance of in your post.

        • Edsanjuan

          Tom_D44: Your response to “Sweeny” was soo devastating that he decided that he had had enough “light” for one day …
          He is at present “licking his chops” just as all these BLIND Lefties will be licking theirs on November 6.

          • RUKIDENME

            Hey, have u enlisted yet or paid back the $750,000 of other peoples money u lost in your failed business?

          • Edsanjuan

            Ruki: So you are feeling masochistic today?
            OK, I’ll oblige:
            1) It wasn’t me; that was a letter to the Wall Street Journal (that’s a newspaper for people a little bit over your intellectual “level”);
            2) The concepts and bases of something called “entrepreneurship” elude you partially, and TOTALLY elude a community organizer guy who NEVER had to come up with a payroll in his “spread-the-wealth” life.
            3) This community organizer guy has been able to get a RECORD number of people on the public dole (and you and I know who “the public dole” is, my friend)
            4) The record for “other people’s money lost in a failed business” actually belongs to that community organizer’s sojourn into a “business” called …. Solyndra ….
            Stay tuned, Ruki …

          • RUKIDENME

            Wow-Masochistic, Over my Intellectual Level, Entrepreneurship elude me partially and totally elude the President…. Wow, you have a very high opinion of yourself and low opinion of the President and myself. I like the company I am in. You sir have delusions of grandeur. The Presidents ACA can help you with those demons. Have u enlisted yet?

  • JimMorici

    Come on Mitt. Be open with the American people. Release your returns for the last 15 years. Your accountant can do it with a point and a click. Simple. Let the truth do away with all this speculation. Show what you paid. What you deposited into foreign accounts, what you sheltered from income taxes and what meager residual income you scrapped by on.

  • montanabill

    This paragon of virtue is the biggest hack in Congress. He is totally afraid to let the Senate debate or vote for a single bill from the House for fear that a bipartisan vote might happen and force the President to make a decision. At least, Boehner lets Senate bills be heard and voted. I thought is was hard to be a bigger sleazeball than Pelosi (“we need to pass it to find out what’s in it”), but Harry has proved he is up to it.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IXEQ4IX7PJF2EXCEE7MVUHCWGI ladyj

      Only thing that Boehner ever did was vote umteen times on replealing Obama Care. This country will not be able to survive unless both House, senate, and the President can agree on anything. Right now nothing will get done until after the election period. If Romney get in well then things will get done because the Republicans will have what they wanted and they will work tooth and nail to get laws passed that they want that is to repeal OBama Care, but if Obama get back in, it will be the same thing,, “THEIR WAY OR NO WAY”. They will not work together to get things done. That is their MO.

      • montanabill

        So, let the Democrat Senate have a vote on repeal. If it fails, it will be done. There are 30 House passed bills waiting Senate action. The Democrat controlled Senate can always vote them down and since they haven’t been doing anything anyway, why not, at least, let those bills come before the Senate. There is only one reason why Harry won’t let that happen: some of them might be passed which would force the President to either let them become law or veto them. And since he has a very hard time making decisions, Harry doesn’t want anything to embarrass him. Same reason he hasn’t forced his group to come up with a budget.

    • drewsco

      Straw argument

      • montanabill

        Let’s see…if Boehner doesn’t bring up Senate passed bills, it is because the Republicans are the ‘party of NO’, but when Harry does it, it is simply being sensible. Is that about the way you see it?

    • WhutHeSaid

      My goodness, MB — here all this time I thought you were just a greedy (albeit magical) businessman. Your latest posts just sound like another right-wing hack.

      • montanabill

        I always get a chuckle out of your attacks my career, but I usually like to ask questions when I see hypocritical attacks. I notice you didn’t address them.

        • WhutHeSaid

          Well, when you start talking like a Koch Brothers lackey, a chuckle is about all the questions are worth. But let me see — hmm…. Obama’s transcript could potentially prove that a) Obama was/wasn’t still black while in college, b) Obama was a secret Muslim Kenyan Socialist and checked the Secret Muslim Kenyan Socialist box on his application, c ) Obama once slid to a 3.0 in Economics… I give up, what would you possibly hope to prove? Romney’s problem goes right to the heart of this year’s election — economic and tax policies versus tax breaks for those who have been making out like bandits for 30 years.

          Either your questions about Obama’s college transcripts are a feeble attempt to change the subject or they are a subtle nod to the nutty birther crowd — which is it?

          • montanabill

            In other words, you don’t know why he won’t release them either.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7CMMETJHSVZJMMIMMKCSSCR3PA Bruce

    Reid is correct Mitts a tax cheaten lying double talkin candidate who’s still not understanding that one can’t win the presidentcy on just being white and saying nothing.
    He won the governorship that way, lying about taxes double talkin and famously shifting the blame of his problem to his opponent. Mitt doesn’t want the office of the presidentcy just the trophy. What a joke of a candidate and the GOP knows its, I can only imagine the close door Romney critique by the GOP brass..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001819376808 Christopher T Drake

    All Mitt has to do is produce his IRS tax form. WHY, WHY is he not doing it???
    What makes him so different and special???

  • Dianes4babies

    Then Romney should not make such statements as he pays a lot of taxes without evidence!

  • dellmartin

    Mitt Romney is used to being the boss, where he doesn’t have to answer to anyone. He feigns outrage that anyone dares to question his word. Nobody is asking him to do anything that hasn’t been asked of every presidential candidate in modern history. Very easy for him to clear this up and make Reid look like a fool, but he’s not doing it. Why? By releasing it, he knows he has more to lose than by hiding it. Reid is applying the pressure, and rightly so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

    Missing Tax Returns!! Reid Haven’t Gone Too Far Let Romney Put Up Those Tax Returns!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IV5DDRU2M2BZOYCWFEONCQVN4Q Vasant Desai

    Well, if Romney has nothing to hide, and is a good loyal , honest American businessman why can’t he file his tax returns and show it to the whole world ? Til then any one, can cast shadows of doubt on his honesty and true character – only then can he claim to be a president.

  • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

    No Envy Here Just No Kissing Or Sucking Rich Men Butts!!! Everybody Not Trying To Keep Up With The Rich Some Of Us Are Happy Without Piles Of Money That We Will Never Spend In Our Lifetime!!!! When You Got A Great Job Make Lots Of Money And Got Good Investments I Have No Need For Envy!!!

  • drewsco

    Mitt Romney is making a disingenuous challenge to Senator Reid. He is challenging Harry Reid to put up or shut up. But what if Mr. Reid accepts his offer under the condition that he releases his tax returns.

    Do we really believe that Mitt Romney would then release his tax returns if Harry Reid reveals his source? No, Mitt Romney would simply dismiss the accusation and attack the credibility of the person who accused him of not paying any taxes during those years.

    In my view, there must something quite damning about what’s in his taxe returns, and the American public needs to know.

  • Mimi2kool

    What does he have to hide? I suspect he just does not want for the public to know just how how his income actually is. He keeps trying to play himself off as a regular guy, but we all know that is not the case.

  • old_blu

    “The ‘Missing Evidence’” is Romney’s tax records.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Marilyn-Furrie/100000257062158 Marilyn Furrie

    it would seem mitt is between a rock and a hard place. Either he lets the rumors control the situation or he rebutts them by publishing his tax returns. Sounds like it is a lose lose situation to we since he adamantly refuses to show the tax returns we have to assume the rumors are TRUE.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F76GBN4MI5XBLSWZGZ6QXOILEM Michael

      Obviously Romney has something BIG to hide — not just normal rich-man tax planning.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IXEQ4IX7PJF2EXCEE7MVUHCWGI ladyj

    Put up or shut up, well Reid has the right to do it. He is forcing Romney hand it turning over his tax returns As they say Romney has to come up with them, or their will be a shadow over his head. And besides, once you put your hat into the ring as the saying goes, you are fair game. Every things will come out, stuff that you don’t want to come out will come out.

  • hepj

    Obama keeps his past records locked up. I hear it is because he had the LOWEST scores on records for the schools, and profs were “helping” his grades. Probable Harry eid’s reliable source.

    • jarheadgene

      WHO CARES????????

      • Edsanjuan

        Jarredhead: You ask “Who Cares?” because you Lefties can certainly “dish it out” but you can NOT take it .

        • jarheadgene

          REALLY…..the who cares is about Obamas school records….WHO CARES….is that going to send us to war in Iran ….or is that going to pay a fair share in taxes….or flip flop on stances or what what what….go listen to FAUX news if you don’t want to learn anything.

        • RUKIDENME

          You would know….

  • lovedog4u2

    I have always though that Romney was lying and i think that if he gets in to office that every one but the rich people will be in realy bad shape for we will be paying taxes for them for if they dont half to pay who will I will tell you the ones that can least aford that who. The smal people like me and you that who.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IXEQ4IX7PJF2EXCEE7MVUHCWGI ladyj

    Now you know why the Republicans did not have good candidates for President, everyone has skeleton in their families, which they want to keep quiet.

  • Fingerlakes54

    I find this uproar almost laughable. Maybe Reid went a little too far–but he did state it was possible the info could be wrong because Reid had no way to verify it. Soo—–Did Republicans ever have any real evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii?? That being the case –I guess Republicans now know Democrats can use the same type of tactics that the right always uses. Besides–what does Romney have to hide??

  • Fingerlakes54

    I am beginning to wonder if the Republicans will allow Romney to be the candidate. Romney could be dumped at the Republican Convention. His holding back on his tax returns has hurt him badly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/streid1945 Stephen Reid

    SENATOR REID SHOULD STEP DOWN NOW OF LIEING AND SLANDER TO ROMNEY AND GET AWAY WITH IT REID YOU NEED TO STEP DOWN AND RESIGN!!! SINCE WHEN A PRESIDENT HAVE TO TURN IN 12 TAXE RETURN, IN 48 YEARS HAVE GONE BY WITH 9 PRESIDENT SEVERING AND ONLY 2 TAXE RETURN GIVEN! WHEN IS REID AND PELOSI
    AND OBAMA THE KING OR GOD DEMAND 12 TAXE RETURN! IS THIS POINTING A ARROW
    TOWARD SOMETHING BIGGER?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F76GBN4MI5XBLSWZGZ6QXOILEM Michael

      Another rabid Republican ranter. Quick, quick, bring the vaccine.

  • turnipgreens

    Tell Mitt to put up or shut up. I think that when things stink, there is something rotten. This stinks. Why can’t or won’t Mitt simply turn over his tax returns? Is the information that damning? If it is, then why did he vet himself as the best candidate for President of the US? Will money trump truth this year? It certainly has in the past, but the American public is just too savvy to let it happen this time. I predict a landslide for Obama.

  • AlexanderKebang

    Tax returns are a matter of honest evidences of truthful presidential and other political office seeking candidates. There should be no arguements about this. Mitt has to publicly present all documents to clear himself that he had paid all taxes as required by the law and the issue is over.To be the president of United States is to be the prsident of the world and there should be doubts about integrity of such a candidate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/streid1945 Stephen Reid

    I AM GOING TO KEEP ASKING FOR REID RESIGNATIO UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • jarheadgene

      And WE THE PEOPLE……or as Ann Romney says, “you people” will keep asking for WILLARD’s Tax Returns. I thought of something what if he shredded them like he did the records for TAX money used to save the Olympics….or when he bought all the Hard Drives used during his tenure as Governor……

      WOW… he sort of reminds me of another guy who finally had to release tapes to Congress, and guess what…..18 crucial minutes, were “accidently” erased. Do any of you GOP people remember him? Do we really need another one like him.

  • AlexanderKebang

    Tax returns are a matter of honest evidences of truthful presidential and other political office seeking candidates. There should be no arguements about this. Mitt has to publicly present all documents to clear himself that he had paid all taxes as required by the law and the issue is over.To be the president of United States is to be the prsident of the world and there should be doubts about integrity of such a candidate

  • easterbunny39

    I think that Romney is just an example of the GREEDY CEOs who have doubled their salaries many times over the last 20 years while not increasing the money they pay their workers. If the GREEDY CEOs would pay their workers a living wage, the workers would be paying more taxes to support the governments and also have more money to spend. This increased spending would increase the demand and our economy world improve greatly. The GREEDY CEOs think that they were responsible for the money their company makes and that their workers didn’t contribute anything…. They are just TOO GREEDY.

  • AlexanderKebang

    Mitt you would as US President would like all americans to be focus and discipline. Show us that you are nore discipline to lead us by releasing all your tax returns nd paid acoordingly to enkindle our faith in your candidacy.

  • nhgal628

    I agree with Mr. Reid. If there is nothing to hide then show the tax returns!! SIMPLE…………

  • old_blu

    I think all the republicans had to do is come up with a decent and honest candidate, and they failed.

    • Edsanjuan

      old_blu: The ones that will fail (next month) to come up with a decent and honest candidate are the DemocRats .

      • RUKIDENME

        President Obama is decent and honest, that is why you detest him!

  • nomaster

    All of it can be solved so easily if Willard the Rat man would quit stalling and put his tax returns front and forward. If he feels so bad about it, he could be so highly vindicated by the truth and Reid would then have to eat his word. That is all it takes so come along be truthful Willard the Rat man and show your tax returns and shine. He has been using his bag of rats and tricks to hide them ever since the time he ran for the senate against Ted Kennedy and also for governer of Massachusetts.

  • hilandar1000

    I’ve got to say this statement by Reid is nothing short of BRILLIANT!!! After enduring all the made up stories the GOP has circulated about the President, the shoe is now on the other foot, and all that comes to mind is, “It’s about time we showed them how it feels”. It didn’t make any difference to the GOP rumor mill whether the stories about the president were actually true or not. When faced with the accusation that the president is Muslim, not Christian, they had to know that there is no way of “proving” what is in one’s heart (not that it would have made any difference anyway since we have freedom of religion in the US). But that certainly didn’t stop the GOP from encouraging that lie to be repeated by anyone willing to repeat it — in order to take any advantage of the fear that it might invoke in some people. When accused of not being a “true” citizen of the United States, the president DID provide the proof, but that was not good enough for the GOP. The GOP still gives a wink and a nod to the people who are ignorant enough to keep the lie going. At least Harry has been gentlemanly enough to have chosen a topic that is pertinent and could be proven — or disproven with the release of Romney’s tax returns. I say, “Go for it, Harry — we’ve been waiting for this far too long!”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    Indeed, several of the news outlets now barking at Reid have suffered their own episodes of scandalous embarrassment due to the exposure of invented sources and quotes // why do ppl. rag on Reid so much ? thy want to call him a lier and all that bull crap . well the antyi-christ romney . is he any less a lier is saying nothing not a lie ? he has his own closet filled with bull crap himself . is a flip flop a lie ? hmmmm interesting thought . is saying one thing and days later (or how ever long ) saying the compleatly different thing the next time not a lie from the first time one says something ? lets talk about lie,s the GOP keep saying when thy get a chance , telling the Pres. that he,s not hearing the ppl. of the country or giveing them what thy want . dose the 98% of the ppl. realy want the richest 2% to pay less taxes ? dose the 98% truly want to pay more ? just so the greedy bastards can get more money back from all there taxs breaks and loop holes. hmmmm again for some reason to me that isnt what 98% of the ppl. makeing less and less want to pay more so the rich can pocket the money . you know if the 2% had any brains thy would of taken the money thy saved in taxes and put it to making jobs . its a win win for them to have done that . thy would make money on the jobs thy made and still get the tax breaks . and with the country having those jobs then we wouldnt be hurting so much looking for jobs . the greedy bastards want the breaks and sit on there money . them of all ppl. should understand that thy could be making money if thy made jobs . and thy would make even more money being greedy as thy are by trying to make more loop holes. and that would draw the news off of them making so much in breaks . the country working thy would be in the clear and use the trickly down bull crap . but back to the anti-christ romney . all could be cleared up real fast and easy if he would only do what his dear old dad did and show 12 yrs of taxs . and for him not doing that the country should stop raging on Reid or any one else that talks about the anti-christ,s not showing his taxs . heck if there nothingh to hide then showing his taxes for 12 yrs. and every thing is in line would get him all kinds of brownie points . what that evil POS will p[rob. do is wait till the end maybe after thje voteing starts and come out with his form of comic book taxes. that way when he waits till the end with his fake bull crap taxes no one will have time to check them and he hopes he can have ppl. belive him them just like its said the ANTI-CHRIST will do is fool ppl. to belive him before he ends the world . but in romney,s terms end the USA shgow 12 years of taxes like daddy did ooo great one ANTI-CHRIST

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Larson/100000272451152 Richard Larson

    As I have said on other sites; The very wealthy can hire entire accounting and legal staffs to make certain that they not pay one more cent of taxes, to whomever they may have been owed. This may result in very little, or no taxes being paid/owed for several years in a row, depending on the permissible, and possibly questionable schemes employed. The problem for Romney is that the American people like to see that their politicians pay at least a reasonable amount each year regardless of the circumstances. I fully expect that the President and his wife, probably pay taxes they could legally avoid because in their eyes, it is far better to sacrifice that little bit than to pay it and not have to be explaining. Romney obviously considers this to be unacceptable to him and his wife, who probably demands maximum income possible from her investments and sees no point in paying any taxes and fees she can avoid.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    and (Fern Woodfork) one can be Envy Of The Rich . but only of the riuch that take there riches and use it to help the other ppl. that dont have it so good . and thats not putting a buck in the plate at church . but helping more ppl. and not giveing the buck to some one else to break it up and do the work of striching it out . the rich should do the work then selfs to help . for most ppl. i feel thy would feel better doing the work and knowing and seeing the ones thy help . i guess that might not work for the 2% greedy bastards of the world . buty one never knows there might still be hope deep under the ice cold in the riches hearts . its a dream maybe ? but some times dreams can come true not as much as one would like but who knows

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ULQTJ4DCKRVCJHHR27O2TJVOY K3Citizen

    Romney should prove him wrong by showing him the same tax returns that he showed McCain. Think about why McCain is one of the speakers at the RNC. He is the only person, besides Romney and his accountants, to see Flip’s tax records. They offered McCain a speaking spot if he told people that Romney didn’t have any smoking gun in the returns. How come McCain didn’t pick Romney over Palin? The answer is simple, Romney had baggage that was even worse than a woman who only had served half of her elected position. Romney wasn’t good enough then and he’s not good enough this time. Bush, Palin, and Cheney weren’t allowed to speak at the RNC because Romney is trying to win.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MFPDFRWZZAKO4XJXNLUG3DI65Y Anthony America

    Why do the very wealthy feel they do not have to respond to the will of the people
    Romney is running for the president of the U S; not the PTA
    Romney is more of the 1% take over of the Government

  • nana4gj

    So, Reid is lying because he won’t reveal his source? And Romney also lies because he won’t reveal his tax records, a chronic issue with Romney who flails around with every campaign in which he engages and uses lame reasons for why he won’t. If there is an issue of credibility here, the issue is with Romney’s credibility, which he could clarify so easily by releasing his tax records and taking the hit for whatever is in them. We already know he takes thousands of dollars of write offs for his dressage horse, a “hobby” for his wife in which he deducts business expenses….The burden of truth here lies with Romney. Too bad all of this “outrage” was not, is not, expressed with their GOP Reps in Congress making “McCarthyism allegations of slander against other members of Congress and of aides to Cabinet Secretaries.

    It matters not to me whether or not I see those tax records. I already see an established pattern throughout Romney’s history of lies, manipulation, and distortion from him in order to secure whatever personal ambition he desires and the fact that he is not taking responsibility for any of it is just learned behavior from his early adolescence, from which he learned nothing but that he could get by with it, of mean and abusive “pranks”. Those tax records are probably a testament to all of the shortcuts, evasions, write offs, and other tricks that skirt the surface of legality, to which he feels he is entitled, and another example of how he has never done anything for his country in his life. That’s not his “schtick”; it’s personal engrandizement.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6ZFSRC5BZOEI6BODPSNKIVOX4Q Nicklous

    Every American Voter wants to see at least ten years of Robme’s tax returns–nothing less ten years and we won’t have these uncouth discussions on what Mr. Reid is saying. I believe Mr. Reid. That is until Robme shows all of his returns. Robme is a very greedy, caulous, and please believe me I am not jealous of him, I just want to see his returns, he on the same level of a dope dealer of a prostitute or Gadaffi, these people are criminals and Robme is a criminal just like
    the Mafia who refuses to pay taxes–they are just leeches of the government, just like welfare recipients. All Mormons are leeches.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MFPDFRWZZAKO4XJXNLUG3DI65Y Anthony America

    A Carl Rove tatic answer a question with another Question
    2% of the people in the U S control 54% of the money
    In 1984 7% controled 23% of the money
    Morons still don’t get it

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D5HPWVIJUUCDCQIWUV636LNM4A Elsa

    Romney may think because 14% of his income comes to millions of dollars he is covered because it is “lots of money.” However, when you make the comparison to someone with a family of four earning 60,000 dollars a year who is paying 25 % of it in taxes, who do you think the inequity in our tax code hurt the most? And, how fair is it to give a larger burden to those who have less?
    No one denies Romney any money he has earn honestly, no one expects him not to take advantage of the tax code. What they do expect is that he be honest and open about it and show some understanding that there is quiet a difference between how his tax burden affects him and how it affects people who make an average income. Making comments like “the information will be used against me” or “you” people know enough, is defensive and plain sounds like he is hiding something. In addition, his policies are not better because they continue to provide big tax break for the very rich and to drain the Middle Class while cutting programs for the poorest around us. Come on Mitt – even your father released a decade worth of his tax returns when he wanted to be President; if you can’t stand the scrutiny of running for President how are you going to deal with being President? BTW, admonishing Harry Reid for making accusations without releasing his source and in the same sentence claiming the White House is the source of his information shows what a hypocrite you are. Where is your source of that information?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HH5HJFCC76IQRXT4JOSGUCMQZU Kathy C.

    Obama had to show his birth record , then Mitt should show his tax returns!! When in doubt, print it out!!!!

  • pizzmoe

    I am not at all outraged by what Harry Reid has done. In fact, it’s one of the best things he’s done since being the Senate majority leader.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F76GBN4MI5XBLSWZGZ6QXOILEM Michael

      “Pizzmoe” writes: “I am not at all outraged by what Harry Reid has done”. Nor am I. The Tea Party crazies are having heart attacks because a DEMOCRAT is playing hardball. A DEMOCRAT !! They think only Karl Rove, the Koch Brothers and the like are allowed by God to play hardball.

      I say, “give ‘em hell, Harry”. And if they have heart attacks or apoplexy, tough.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    oboma IS elected president,willard is a wannabe,so for next four years get used to it he accademic enough and ten time more qualified than the guy he replaced what a bumbass

  • nellskie64

    there’s noway a business man can become president simply because his way of thinking …and that is strictly about money and if he’s rich that makes it worst …cause his focus is on how to make more for self and if that means stepping on the man or people on the bottom …than that’s what he’ll do hey people i will give you a task …the next speeches you here from from either candidate…. just close you eyes and do a passion rating and tell me which one sounds more sincere than the other ….my view is romney is a fake and he is not for the people as a whole if this man becomes president we are all in trouble believe that…..the recovery has to move slow …if we recover to fast it will not last ….slow money is the best money

  • jmc73

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he paid no taxes. He has his money in protected overseas accounts. He always manages to appear shocked when asked about issues he doesn’t want to talk about. When the debates roll around here are two questions I would like the moderator to ask Romney….For years you and the Republicans have been saying that tax cuts for the rich need to continue because “they are job creators” and that will get us out of this mess. Where are the jobs they created? They still have their tax breaks but are sitting on the money. Apparently “trickle down” economics doesn’t work after all. Could it be because of the “pledge” they all have taken and the House and Senate’s pledge to make Obama a one term president. The second question is….If you don’t get Mit elected do you plan to CONTINUE stone-walling everything you can to continue the gridlock as you have done throughout most of Obama’s presidency?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    thats why you live up there with ol cheny,be carefull outside you may have to appoligize to him caouse he shot u in the face,

  • http://www.facebook.com/gene.touchet Gene Touchet

    Mitt says, “I paid taxes.” Don’t we all? Telephone taxes; gas taxes; sales taxes. What a shame we have the ability to parse sentences, eh Mitts?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    dont be so stupid,

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    somethings you just cant explain to dumbass republicans they watch too much fake new and will never know ethics or the what ethics are!!

  • oldibtgdy

    So, the echo-chamber whines on. Thank you Harry. It’s about damned time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    yes republicans always looking for some distraction or if none invent one!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    yes contributed large sum to morman church and they gave him some crappy degree.

  • oldibtgdy

    Romney’s old tax returns will show he lied to become the governor of massachusetts — at the very least. And, he’s trying to tell us what’s in his tax returns — without showing them. “Trust me”? really? Give me a freaking break. The guy’s a weasel. What do you guys say a lot? “Do unto others — “? Well, at least we’ve seen the president’s birth certificate. How ’bout some returns, baby.

  • oldibtgdy

    no, but y’know, you didn’t mention any of the other 2 bazillion examples of Republicans doing as bad or worse with this president. Boner’s a cutie when it comes to doing the “I don’t know for sure, but it could be true —” schtick. Lousy racist.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    sucessful only if one considers cheating sucess,a lot of folks made lots of money some at gun point over dead bodies,like willard on his mission to paris while his fellow americans died in viet nam jungles,or your buddy cheny who had better things to do,than support america in time of need.

  • greghilbert

    I’m hostile to Romney, but disapprove of Reid’s assertion even if he is in fact repeating verbatim what a “credible person” told him. As a politician Reid’s motives are suspect to a degree that would not apply to a CNN. Further, it’s not credible that Romney paid NO taxes for TEN years. Suppose he paid no taxes some years and shockingly low taxes other years. If he now releases a another return showing he paid ANY tax, Romney becomes the truth-teller and Reid the liar. And that diverts attention from what we already know: Romney is a blood-sucking oligarch who used every should-be-illegal loophole, dodge, and wealth-welfare device (including low taxes on capital gains) that mostly Repubs but also Dems have built into tax law for all oligarchs, themselves and Romney included. We do not live in a democracy. The majority of Americans are not represented.
    The great transfer of wealth from the many to the few continues unabated.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTVN22VQT4Y4ZEXDMKWJ5A2ZYQ claudem

    then you havent been listening,all republicans are quick to send our troops to harms way but never know how to get them out..you folks need ti listen and observe not just their spin…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JYGBAPOQJMGX2PFUKCPXLLZZF4 JS

    Good for Harry Reid. If its not true, he’s just doing what the Republicans and FOX News do every day. Lie. Whether its the birther issue, or Obama’s so called Moslem connection, or Obama spending 200 million dollars a day to fly to India, or citizen’s being thrown in jail for not paying for ObamaCare, etc,etc, etc. When recently confronted by Bill Mayer about the lies that O’Reilly tells on his show, O’Reilly replied, I never said I was telling the truth. My show is not based on fact. Its based on opinions. Therefore, I can say whatever I want.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.watkinsjr Daniel Paparonie Watkins Jr

    all mitt has to do is release the tax returns and the world will be at Peace.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cinda.colenewlin Cinda Cole Newlin

    If Romney has nothing to hide, he would be happy to submit his tax returns–just as all other candidates have done! If he believes we the people have no business knowing about his tax returns–what else does he feel we don’t need to know?

  • sheilab2

    There are two plausible reasons why he won’t release the returns: 1) He paid no taxes 2) He fudged his supposed 10% tithe to the Moron church.

  • Gammaanya

    This is just my opinion as a CPA why he don’t want to show. He claims that he was with Bain till 1999 but he was signing papers still for the next 3-4 yrs. He bankrupted 8 Co in 9 yrs most of from 2000 -2003 period. Now if he have good CPA and good bankrupcy lawyers there is a way to wipeout your debt without paying any taxes. I did not see his taxes in full so I don’t know, but I know that COD in most cases is taxable, depends on what/when Chapter/Title bankrupcy was filed then the income is exempt from taxation. Under Title 11 in bankrupcy proceedings and COD income is produced (COD- Cancelation of debt) there is a special from 1099-C that they have to fill out. It depends now what Title. Law gives us Chapter 7,9,11,12,13. So if he filed Title 11 bankrupcy and COD occurs in that time any income is totally exempt from federal taxation. So if they purchase a corp. that was failing, they borrow money (incl. their own) to resurect the co. (lay off, restructure cutting benefits rehiring at lower rate etc) and in th mean time they pay themselves well, and when the they amass more debt than the assets they become insolvent,then before COD occurs (filing) ANY INCOME they receive is exempt from taxation. Usually it is Chapter 7 – complete bankrupcy or complete liquidation. Courts order trustees to liquidate all assets to pay debts. If there is any left over money – the difference is subject to taxation. I am sure that they did not have any excess money to pay taxes or very little..
    Just one Corp. Dade Behring they made 365 M and bankrupted them in 2002. Like I said, I did not see entire taxes, but if he is evading to show his taxes, most likely he did not pay any or very little. So from 1999 to 2003 he was still responsible for any of these Corp. in absentia.Most people and corp. that file for bankrupcies their debt falls on taxpayers to pay. Most Corp. strip their business of anything of value, pocket the money and file for COD then they don’t pay any taxes. Whatever is left and sold to pay debts it will go to primary lender then trickle down to 2nd …..
    Very clever and unfortunate for our country if he ever become POTUS.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F76GBN4MI5XBLSWZGZ6QXOILEM Michael

      This comment is informed; VERY well-reasoned, and chilling. Considering the way Romney pillaged and destroyed American companies at Bain & Company, it is VERY likely this is how he made sure to benefit from it through tax deductions.

      Hideous; vile; and very likely to be true.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WP5REKLUUSA376XDAUL4GX7DMA PitiPat

    If Mitt wants to prove Mr. Reid a liar, all he has to do is produce the 10 missing years of tax returns. He needs to “put up or shut up!” Life’s a bitch when you are unable to control all news media as you have been able to with FOX!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/J5CMKEZF75WTUS73PXOOOXREBM PGA

    Mitt has proven himself to be nothing but sound bites and attacks, no substance. Although the economy is in a drought, the American people are not willing to cast a vote for mystery Romney.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6GV2MT3MTZKIXF6DF775PJ2ENA Charles

    I don’t care if Romney didn’t pay any federal income taxes for one or more years, and/or if he participated in the IRS amnesty program regarding his foreign holdings, if he complied with tax law. However, I do care if Romney contributed to the lobbying efforts to create these loopholes in the federal income tax law which allowed him to exploit in order to avoid taxation. I also care to know, from his tax returns from 1999, 2000, 2001, & 2002, what his salary and investment income was from Bain Capital during the time he disavowed Bain Capital actions in vulture capitalism and in the outsourcing of American jobs overseas to the detriment of American workers. While the Bain SEC records reflect that Romney was in several management capacities with Bain during his stint with the Olympics, Romney has stated that he had nothing to do with the management of Bain during that period of 1999 through 2002. The Public is entitled to the determination of the veracity of his claim before the election. We need a President that we can trust to represent both investors and the American worker.

  • Abigail00

    Gee I wish there was a way we could know if Reid is a big fat liar………….. Hey……Romney could just show us all how many millions he has paid in taxes……. Why didn’t Romney think of that?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W43IN6DBLMPZZMQSSFNLXT7KZM Mortgage

    He has turned in all required tax returns. Do you really think that the IRS as we know it would let him get by without paying taxes for 10 years. If they want to REQUIRE more tax retuns for candidates, then change the guidelines. Demos are only wanting to see if they can find something to pounce on since they dont have a record to run on. Why is no one askig how the president become a millionaire over the last three years when he was only a Senator before and has not had a regular job ever. I have read that he is making over $72,000 a month over his salary. How do you do that? If it is legal then so be it but you need to look at both sides.

    • Kevin G.

      Would the IRS as we know it let him get by without paying taxes…. YES. The tax code is written by the rich in order to avoid taxes. The IRS is notorious for caving to rich tax lawyers. You are beyond naive!

  • http://www.facebook.com/crzydancer Richard Holmes

    ried is a liar just like bammyboy. All crap with no evidence to back it up.
    All these liberturds need to shut up

    • Kevin G.

      Reid is telling the truth: He said a unnamed source told him Mitt paid no taxes. He said he didn’t know if the assertion was true or not. Where is he lying? Mitt needs to show us the taxes and then all discussion of what a lying tax avoider he is will stop.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XWNK5E33OIFUMQVAGQQA7GDM2M Bigspender

    This controversy will not likely have much impact on the election. Those who think Romney is lying (when is he not?) aren’t planning to vote for him, and those who don’t think he should have to produce income tax returns and plan to vote for him regardless simply don’t care what those returns would reveal. Maybe there is that rare voter still on the fence who can be swayed by Romney’s refusal to come clean but I’ll bet they are very few in number.

    This issue is important because Romney is unable to create more confusion with his usual stump speeches while he’s denying that he didn’t pay taxes. Lots and lots of taxes.

  • LVSUNSHINE

    It is time Romney come clean with his dirty laundry – Maybe he could send that with his money to off shore banks to be cleaned. That’s an idea.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/J5CMKEZF75WTUS73PXOOOXREBM PGA

    Will someone who is voting for Romney tell me what is his plan to make America better? I know his plan for the rich. What about everybody else?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PG2JMVEFBUO52JS6V47QH7PXYM yahoo-PG2JMVEFBUO52JS6V47QH7PXYM

    It’s a reflexion of how Romoney would govern. He would help the wealthy hide their incomes to become even more wealthy while we low wage earners must pay for the “safety nets” and expenses of the country. He has already said so (and why he still has support of the low income earners is due to poor information from the main street media). He would let your loved ones die rather than approve universal healthcare etc.. So the problem isn’t that people are jealous which is what most wealthy people say. It’s about how you percieve the flow of money and who fairly should pay more in taxes. A president should NOT have off shore bank accounts and should be ultra transparant with his financial deeds.

  • rosebartok

    Is there a suggestion that a Congessperson would outright lie to the American Public? Was he
    mistaken for a Republican?

  • howa4x

    All Mitt has to do to end this is show his taxes. The right wing has always used un named sources to blast democrats now the shoe is on the left foot. Like Rikey used to say ” Mitt you got some splanning to do

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Lee/100002908971230 Michael Lee

    Obviously if Mitt Romney is not going to show his tax returns, then he must be hiding something.

  • gadler46

    1: The problem is that people who support Obama (like Mr. Sullivan) tend to not tell the whole truth. Yes there is such a thing as a missing evidence instruction which is however hardly ever used. When it is used it almost always has to do with the DESTRUCTION of evidence. The normal law generally is that no inference is to be drawn from an individual who has evidence but chooses not to introduce it. You people have computers, do some searches and find out the law for yourself.
    2: In the USA it is the accuser that has the burden of proof not the accused. Under US law Mr. Reid could and should be charged with slander (not libel which is written while slander is oral).
    This is the exception, where Mr. Reid would have to prove his statements to be fact.
    3: There is nothing illegal about paying no income tax. Failing to file or evading income tax is illegal. If in fact he paid no taxes as Mr. Reid claims and he did it following the tax code, he did nothing wrong. In fact it just goes to prove that he is intelligent and tries to pay as little as he is required. No different than anyone else on this site.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OIWHIIHWEWBKKLVU4FQS3XQQKE Todd

    Joe Conason is as big a liar as Harry Reid. Reid has had to spew his malicious lies from the well of the senate to shield himself from the deserved lawsuits he knows would be coming if he told those same lies in public. John McCain has seen 20 years of Romney’s tax returns and he certainly would have said something during the primaries if there were any problems. Aren’t the readers of this article smart enough to know trhat the IRS would have come down on Romney like a ton of bricks if there were any problems, especially since Romney’s supporters are getting auditted on the orders of Obama. With his string of illegal activities to get Obama elected, you know that David Axelrod has already seen Romney’s tax returns and knows there is nothing wrong with them, so he has to get Harry Reid to create a distraction from how badly Obama has screwed the AMerican public by creating regulations and policies that have kept our economy is such terrible condition.
    Only the stupid among us will vote for Obama again. He lied to us and screwedup our economy and now has to get Harry Reid to distract us from how badly we have been screwed. So, stupid people, vote for Obama and show your stupidity.

    • Glenn Hassig

      WOW you really need a wider view of the world Todd! Just because Fox says it does not make it true. If it is not an issue show the taxes it is that simple. He just says that he paid a lot of taxes and thinks that’s the end of it. Maybe we should ask him for his IQ scores as well

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Lee/100002908971230 Michael Lee

    Mitt must have something to hide if he is not willing to hand over his tax returns. Unless Gary Johnson has a chance to win, Obama gets my vote! After eight years of George W. Bush, I do not want to see another Republican in the White House. Anyway Obama did not create this mess we are in right now, he inherited it from Bush. I sincerely hope that the Republians and thier Tea Patry lap dogs take a serious hit in Congress this election cycle. After the BS they pulled last summer, they do not deserve to be re-elected!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PPHJQFXFPE564LFJPGF3SLP57M orangeman65

    Reid is using the same tactics the Republicans would have used if the shoe was on the other foot! What does Misfit Romney have to hide? Man up and show the taxes!

  • MikeCassidyAHS

    If Mitt and company want the problem t go away, then release the returns, like his dad did.
    Or perhaps there is something to hide, What is it Nowhere-Man

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YRH6W2E7S63GVJTFB7QA6TP4CI Joseph

    Whine ,whine,whine!!!!! Howard your such a deluded ass!!! Romney is one of many right wing religiouse neo nazi fascists subverting the constitution and every other law possible just to make more money at the expense of real citizen.they have everything to hide because revealing the truth about themselves would wipe them out of the presidential race totally. No, Reid and everyone else didnt go far enough!!! If they truely have nothing to hide then reveal everything!!!

  • 1concernedsenior

    Mortgage, it seems you picked this name because you’re probably under water, and are delusional because of the paranoid things you’re indicating in your statement! On the other hand, maybe you’ve been getting lectured by sara palin!

  • 1concernedsenior

    Right on SaneJane, *Mortage is delusional !!

  • 1concernedsenior

    Richard Holmes, get off whatever drugs you’re on. You shoud not be allowed to vote. You must be mesmerized by fox news!

  • 1concernedsenior

    Right on Liz –> about Richard Holmes, he’s a grade A KNUCKLE HEAD !!

  • Billy Maynard

    Romney has given more in charitible contributions than taxes paid. Does that count for anything?
    He is private about his wealth. Is that a sin? What ….now we want a poor person to be in charge of the riches of the country? Obama has his past hidden for some reason. If we knew everything about Obama, there would be a panic. If Romney has been richer than expected, I can somehow bear it.

    • rmarqua2921

      Sorry dude! No president has been scrutinized more than Barack Obama! I believe he has disclosed his tax returns at least for the past ten years or more! His life is an open book, and trust me if the Republicans had anything on him, if they had any hard evidence for anything they have said about him that is damaging, they’d be impeaching him, remember Bill Clinton?

  • Billy Maynard

    Harry Reid hold up bills in the Senate when he know they won’t go his way. He is sitting on dozens of bills over there. He will not allow an up or down vote on them. This is the stalemate. He demands Rebubs change to his point of view or else. Both are quite stubborn. I think the Repubs should pass the Bush tax with senate and also fix the defense spending cuts and it would looks very good for them (Repubs). Then if businesses protested , they could go back and fix things. But nobody is listening to me or you or you or you or you……get it?

  • 1concernedsenior

    I agree jj228. I also feel if romney gets lucky(but he won’t) there will be a new class of people. They will be like slaves, but they will be (aka middle class) !!

  • http://www.facebook.com/honey.b.kenney Honey Bukowski Kenney

    Reid is guilty of a PHWD offense – Playing Hardball While Democrat.
    Go gettem’ Harry. We are sick of their boorish behavior.
    And the more you kick the Republican hive, the nastier they get – good for independents to see and hear.

  • quasm

    Mr. Conason;

    I heard from credible sources which I cannot name that it is ‘out there’ that Sen. Reid has not made his tax returns public. Don’t the people of Nevada deserve better?

    Dik Thurston
    Colorado Springs

    • rmarqua2921

      Well, I have no proof whether he disclosed them or not, but I do know he is not running for President of the USA and has not publicly declared that he has paid a lot of taxes! How come you are always trying to steer us away from Romney’s tax returns? Obama disclosed his? I am not sure about the rest of the candidates for President but I suspect they did, or will have to to join the race! And furthermore, I really trust that Reid is telling the truth a lot more than I trust you! You lose!

  • 2hheels2

    I don’t Reid went to far, if Mitt doesn’t want us asking about his taxes why make statement to ABC he would look up the Percentage. Why say he pays a lot of taxes. We all pay a lot of taxes. We want to know about Mitt’s Income tax returns for ten Years. Any thing is not an Option.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ES2UMKTR4CDLPP22JNGQN3Z7SE Jackmack

    why is Mitt Romney afraid of releasing his tax returns because we are going to find out that why he keeps b*s ing with this crap and we are not the one who is telling lies if he doesn’t want to hear it than man up to it

  • http://www.facebook.com/jim.lidey Jim Lidey

    If he wants to put this to rest MAKE HIS TAX RETURNS PUBLIC………

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4VRVNB5TCTM2BBD6GVQVQLGZOY RobBar

    Wow you are very ignorant Richard…not one thing you said is FACT!!! bammy….lol…silly ass!!! Show some respect for the current POTUS…!

  • grammyjill

    Romney’s records as govenor are missing, all taken when he left office. His records from “saving” the olympics in Utah have been distroyed (that doesn’t happen) and his tax returns are hidden. Does anyone really want a Fifth Admendment President? You add up all of the info that is not available and all you have is “Trust Me”. Who would?

  • rescueus

    There is a simple way to know whether Reid is correct or not. All Romney has to do is show his taxes. If he doesn’t then he is hiding something, and I want to know what. I think the American people deserve to have the answer to this question and if he hasn’t paid any taxes, why not??? Should we have a person running for POTUS who is evasive and secretive. I for one just do not see the attraction. Yes I’m a democrat but not one that wouldn’t vote for a Republican if I thought the Democrat was a crook and a liar.

  • rescueus

    We need to organize a day nation wide, gather everyone together wherever they are who think that Romney should show his taxes, and at a designated moment in time, shout in our loudest voices “SHOW US YOUR TAX RECORDS MR. ROMNEY!!!! I think it would be kind of cool and maybe show the repugs that we are serious , we have a right to know.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4VRVNB5TCTM2BBD6GVQVQLGZOY RobBar

    Oh my goodness!!! You still here. Stupid is as stupid does…. Typical racist, all they can do is sprew lies and call names!!! Wow! It’s getting easier to believe that stupid people like this guy still exist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E3VB567OC53BP5HWHGB3ODC36I What Ever

    He won’t show any records from 2009 back to 2002 because they will reveal that he had to redo all his filings for those years and pay the taxes and fines due for each year as well as complete the FBAR in order to qualify for the IRS Amnesty program he entered when the Swiss banks turned over the records of Americans with accounts. Otherwise, he would have been prosecuted. Soon, this will be the common story everyone is telling ….. because its the ONLY reason for him to only release 2010 and soon 2011 and nothing between 2002 and 2009. He’s a Felon, who made a plea bargain. Simple.

    • Dave_dido

      Interesting hypothesis, Whatever. It’s quite possible that you’re onto something. Right or wrong your post points to a big problem Romney has to deal with. See, it’s usually best to come clean with the public, rather than to allow conjecture to run rampant. Your hypothesis is something much worse than most of us have thought up to now. Personally, I thought Romney didn’t want to show because he probably had paid so little in taxes. Now you’ve got me thinking there might be something even more sinister afoot. Surely Romney is aware that it’s usually better to come clean- unless there’s something really, really bad that he doesn’t want us to know.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JCDYOUQPDL6RBF2WIQY7IHJ4BM batavier

    If “making money and being successful in business” is such a virtue that Romney feels free to sorta brag about it, there must be something about the way his successes have been achieved that can’t stand the light of day…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XEHSW5WCIG5IZHW7KQZCBEGODM Bud

    Reid hasn’t gone to far, Mitt hasn’t gone far enough.

    If Reid’s wrong why doesn’t Mitt show us the proof!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YPI4NVMAWGSK43SFUAL6OUISGA Bunny

    Maybe if Romney keeps refusing to show his taxes, we are less likely to pay attention to voter suppression, that is happening in many states.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cw.dean2 Cw Dean

    hi mitt romney need to show his 7 to 10 yr. tax return required by law before he become whatever he think he going to be or be at foremost he he need to start telling the truth and stop telling the american people what he is capable of doing and he know he have know control over and for republican congress they need to stop lying to people if not no jobs is because they want give the president what he needs to sign such as construction bill and edu. bill’s into law and also by leaving show how your character is you have some selfish way’s how smart is cheating ypu will not win a sara palin tea party congress again we will vote and we will cast that vote if we have to sue each state a and individiual’s behind the voter id law and i can say one thing i show true colors the old saying throw a rock and hide behind it and then our hands are free look what your already doing it take a look at yourselves in the mirror other countries already know the just let you destroy each other i got to say you need to believe if you know i mean i see they see wording everyone see.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2RW6RTTFKNC2TFEWEWCCMUDJFY robert

    Let’s compare: Is Reid’s supposition more far-fetched than birtherism? Is Reid’s suggestion more damaging than the Swiftboat attacks? Is Reids pronouncement any more insidious than the “Obama is not a true American” implications? Is Reids conjecture any more incredulous than there being up to 80 comunists in the Democratic caucus? Are Reid”s unnamed sources less reliable than Mitt’s “the American people say…”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XZ6JM4XYM3WGT6XII54N6V7DR4 Sneider

    Romney is a man who is applying for a job. The employer asked him to show evidence that he is not a crook. In reply, he told the employer,” F.U”. He believes that he can be president of America without having to answer to the little people of America.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ron396 Ron Weidler

      And yet, our current president never answered anything to the little people of America. Who is this man? Everything about him is “sealed”. Why does he have a Connecticut draft card? Why has his birth certificate not held up to scrutiny? How can he sit for 20 years in the congregation of Jeremiah Wright and never hear a word the man said? How could he launch his presidential campaign in Bill Ayers living room and not know anything about who he was dealing with? Why won’t he reveal how he was able to travel to countries which were off limits to American citizens at the time? College transcripts? No. What kind of student was he? How does he know how business works and how to create jobs if he has never been a part of a company? Never had to make a payroll. Never had to work from dawn till dusk or later to make sure his business survived. The little people have chosen to overlook who Obama is, but why? Why does he deserve a pass and his opponents have to walk the gauntlet and get pummeled?
      The media will spend weeks whipping Mitt over this ginned up tax deal, but when it comes to Obama they will also ask him the really tough questions, like “Are there any places you would like to travel to?”

      • ClydeMcWhorter

        Do you really think Mittens is a businessman?? He was told what schools to go to where to work after school. what kind of business to work at and never risked his own money or reputation. Mittens is a follower not a Leader. Why doesn’t Mit denounce his Mexican Citizenship??

  • Leo2001

    I am an indepedent voter. If Mr. Romney wants me to vote for him then he should come clean and tell the American people and not the necessarily the Democratic Party the truth about his tax returns. The more he insist saying trust me the more people became suspicious. If he is an honest and decent person deserving to become the next President of this great nation then he must do what his father did and reveal his last ten years tax returns. As an American, he made his fortune in this country, every American wishes to know how honestly he made it and how much he has paid tax on his income for the last ten years.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IFNHLOGZLHREWI6PYSM2FC4HPA Don O'brien

      You’re not a Romney voter by any stretch nor would you ever be. If you chose honest people you never would have voted for Bill Clinton who was a pretty good president despite being a thoroughly dishonest person at heart.

      • rmarqua2921

        I for one resent your statement! He certainly wasn’t perfect but to say he was “thoroughly dishonest” is a bit over the wall I think! I know the person running for President is not holy, but to say to the American people to overlook an obvious discrepancy by a candidate for President of the USA, is an insult to the people of our great country!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ron396 Ron Weidler

    Wow! Spelling is not one of the talents of many folks on here is it? That being said, does anyone honestly think that a man who has had his eye on the presidency for 6 years or better would be stupid enough to leave such an obvious paper trail as not paying taxes for 10 years? Totally absurd! A man of his visibility would have the IRS waving red flags large enough to be seen from the space station. It wouldn’t take Harry Reid and his imaginary source to make this available.
    As another observation, an artistic person (singer, song writer, actor, whatever) has the good fortune to have a hit show/song/performance/athletic ability and suddenly finds themselves in a much higher tax bracket and they are revered for it. Their words suddenly become golden and they are suddenly smart and able to comment on the on the workings of the environment, world government and the thinking of God. But if a person works hard and achieves success through their business acumen, they are in turn reviled and despised for having the nerve to succeed financially.
    This thinking only shows how far we have regressed from the country of our grandparents where achieving success was to be admired and striven for.

    • rmarqua2921

      Problem is that the artistic person is not aspiring to be President of the USA! I believe Ronald Reagan disclosed ten years of his tax returns, and I certainly consider him to be artistic! I really don’t revere someone making millions as an artist! And I suspect there are many of us out there who feel the same way! I frankly, wouldn’t want Rowney’s life now, very happy being in the 99%! So you might live the envious life, I don’t!

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      Business acuman??? Who are you talking about?? Mit Romney is no businessman. He has never made anything . He has made Millions by stripping companies that someone else had built. He has stripped cos. of their assets and loaded them with Debt and then filed bankruptcy and then got bailed out by the US government. (in other words, us)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IFNHLOGZLHREWI6PYSM2FC4HPA Don O'brien

    Apparently neither you nor Sulivan are much of an attorney

    “At law, if a person in control of evidence refuses to produce the evidence, then the jury is instructed that there is a presumption that the evidence would be against the party failing to produce. It is called the “Missing Evidence” instruction.”

    Missing from the above is the threshold requirement that the person making the request must be in the legally superior position of having a RIGHT to make such a request and the respondent must be in the position of having the legal requirement to produce the same.

    Neither is true in this case.

    So yes, both of you are full of it, to use non-legal terms!

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      looks like you are the one that is full of it, B.S.!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LCXMWHFPRMEYD4RWN56QE2FF4 Grunge45

    Just realized why Romney won’t reveal his tax returns. HE IS AMENDING THEM! When taht is over he will let world know their contents.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QWSYLMBF4VLXDN6JP6K5DN7SXQ Dan

    Is this a Senator speaking? This is defamation without any proof or credibility.Somebody told me Oboma gave him money to sat this.I will not give you my source.

    • rmarqua2921

      In order to prove that something is defamation you have to prove the statement is false! Sorry! Your analogy is so stupid, I won’t waste my money to file a defamation suit against you! You are not running for President of the USA, for obvious reasons! LOL

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      I do not like Harry Reid, But what he says about Romney is more truth than fiction!

      Why doesn’t Mit Romney Denounce His Mexican Citizenship??

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3BADQIVIMK2VW3FMNR6LISTLLI Lt2211

    The democrats run the IRS, like no one can hit a few computer keys and bring up Romneys returns? Of course they can. Then they need to “lay off” what they find, on a “credible republican source.”

    • rmarqua2921

      Maybe they don’t want to take the chance of getting put behind bars? That is a federal offense and don’t you think the Republicans would pounce on that one? Better Mitty hangs himself! He must think his money can buy anything? Even the majority of the voters in this country!

  • redspin

    Nobody is perfect, neither the president nor Romney. But I think Romney is a deeply flawed candidate and Reid is very shrewd to make that accusation. While Reid says he is unsure of the veracity of his sources the ball is, nonetheless in Romney’s court. He needs to come clean about this tax issue but I doubt he will and that will bury him.

  • ayayaboy

    Why can’t Romney show his taxes and put all questions to an end? Romney’s crookedness is the real issue here not Reid.

  • ReadTheFactsFirst

    Reid did go too far about the not paying for 10 years deal. But whether it is a tactic or the truth, Romney still should show his taxes like everyone else that is or has ran for president. What does he got to hide? The thing is he knew what he had to do when he was running for president, unless it might get some of his sponsors in trouble, that may be a big reason not to show it at all.

    • rmarqua2921

      He is fearful of being convicted by the federal government. We already know he paid less income taxes than most of us in 2010! So certainly having paid less percentage than the rest of us for nine more years, would not be good, but certainly not devastating! So why not disclose it all! He should already be convicted of falsifying an SEC report! Are the Republicans this stupid to nominate a guy with such storied past dealings? Do they think we are all so dumb we wouldn’t wonder why he won’t disclose his tax returns?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ndebayongson Bayongson Nde

    Reid is not wrong to say Mtt has not paid taxes for the past 10years..An enfant still going to school will know that Mtt is hiding something under his sleeves, if not, he would have proven that he paid by presenting document. Silence and playing for time indicates that he has been croaking the Government in taxes more so staking money in oversea countriees. He is not fit to be elected the President of America.

  • http://www.facebook.com/judith.dodd1 Judith Dodd

    No, Reid hasn’t gone far enough! . I want to know, at least, as much about Mitt, as, he, can know about me. So I want to be able to check him out, for President of the US!! What I have heard and read about him, is nothing serious. Either as a presidental contender or otherwise. I do not trust him! Too much like Bush. And we don’t need another one of those.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OV7JCHKQWLL3CIRRJ7ZWIMAZBE carlondde

    Donald! Obama showed his birth certificate! Now Mitt show us your TAXES!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F76GBN4MI5XBLSWZGZ6QXOILEM Michael

    It is obvious that Romney has something major to hide — not just normal tax planning. Otherwise he would have fully disclosed his tax returns, as every other Presidential candidate has done for decades now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7UFINKX3P4TNDDAA5Q6N5NL4V4 Andrew

    The article points out something I’ve been thinking for a few weeks: Ol’ Johnny Mac saw 23 years of Mittens’ tax returns and chose Sarah Plain and Stupid because she was the “better candidate” (pause for ROFLMAO)…if Johnny Mac had seen nothing wrong with Mittens’ tax returns, he’d have become Mittens’ biggest champion…instead, he gave a token “such accusations are ridiculous” and hasn’t said anything since…hmmmm…also, over the weekend, a story on an online media source featured a truthful assertion: “an innocent man does not withhold the evidence of his innocence”. Remember that Conservative talking head George Will said that Mittens made a “calculation” that releasing his tax returns would be more costly than withholding them, which is why he won’t release them. Reid said a few weeks ago that Mittens has good reason to withhold, and I think I know what those reasons are: 1) he didn’t pay any taxes over a decade’s time; while there could be nothing illegal about that, such a fact wounds Mittens’ chances of being elected; 2) there’s that little matter of him lying on 142 federal forms, including IRS, FEC and SEC; those 142 violations are all federal felonies punishable usually by a half-year in federal prison per count; a conviction of just half of those would put Mittens in the federal pen for the rest of his life; 3) I heard from a reliable source a few weeks ago, which has been confirmed by some of the media since then that Mittens’ was caught cheating on his taxes one year that was audited…according to my source, Mittens, along with many other Americans, was offered “tax cheat amnesty”, which meant protection from federal prosecution….HOWEVER, one condition of accepting that “tax cheat amnesty” is that the person accepting it is banned for life from running or holding federal public office. Of course, if he did accept it, he’s violating the law by simply running for the GOP nomination during the primaries, let alone during the general election season. If my source and Reid’s source are correct, why would he release them? Again: “an innocent man doesn’t withhold the evidence of his innocence”. Think about that, people. Mittens told Reid to put up or shut up; actually, that’s in reverse…Mittens, it’s time for YOU TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

  • nhpoet

    It is blashemy for reporters to demand Senator Reid produce his source, and it is quite reasonable to conclude that releasing his tax records would damage Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign. So it is safe to say Romney probably did not pay federal income taxes for some or all of those ten years. And since Romney would be a fool to release his tax records now, can the news media and the right and the left get on with some other issues?

  • nhpoet

    In reply to Howard –

    Are you a conspiracy kook? Why would you want to see Obama’s personal records? Your viewpoint is radical extremist – and you provide no clear purpose other than to attack the president. Do you really think anyone would believe you in your claim that the Obama administration is a criminal regieme? He declined to prosecute Bush administation officials for torturing prisoners of war but there has been no scandal involving the White House.

    The national problem is that Mitt Romney has been caught in dozens of lies since he declared his campaign for the Republican nomination – which he still has not obtained. From the face of all of this “tempest in a teapot” (and you have to be crazy to think Romney will ever release his tax records), it is probable that Romney did not pay a normal level of federal income taxes on his millions of income every year. But that does not matter because a big majority of voters will reelect Barack Obama – and Romney will follow Barry Goldwater’s demise in 1964.

  • nhpoet

    Mr. Holmes –

    Are you insane?

  • nhpoet

    Bunny and Elisabeth –

    What scares me is that our democratic republic will be destroyed by a Romney administration in their effort to secure a corporate oligarchy – for their corporate masters. Our federal government is so corrupt now that only by voting in a whole new Congress can the American people preserve their individual freedom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hijodejuan1 Bill Johnson

    Way to go Senator Reid. Thanks for waying in, with your thoughts, and supporting our President. Romney should have cleaned this up several years ago. Too bad he does not have any foresight. Pretty scary to think of Romney as president, and as long as Republicans continue to stymie everthing our President attempts to do (think Jobs Act) we will continue to move slowly back into a full blown recovery. God forbid Obama having a good story to tell the eletorate, and the US voters should realize that McConnel and his cronies have been after this President, since before he actually took office!!!

  • joyscarbo

    GIVE EM HELL, HARRY!!!! This man is soooo cool in his stubborn refusal to take back his claim that Mitty hasn’t paid any taxes in 10 years!!! He boldly just says, “PROVE I’M WRONG, ROMNEY!!!”
    It must really create a pain in neo-con’s asses that someone is playing dirty politics just like they do. Tea partiers, neo-cons and right wingnuts do this crap all the time….Obama’s birth certificate is fake! He really didn’t go to college! He’s really a muslim!!! They throw the mud, hoping it’ll stick. Problem is, all of Obama’s issues like these have LONG since been debunked.

    Your turn, Mitty….Debunk what Mr. Harry Reid is saying about you. Release your 10 years of tax returns…prove this many a liar!!!
    DO IT!!! I dare you….I double dog dare you!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/hijodejuan1 Bill Johnson

    Reince Priebus, Republican National Chair, should have his ears boxed, and then he should be spanked. What an idiot. Calling the Senate Majority Leader a “dirty liar” points to the lack of class, regarding the whole Romney campaign, and the McConnel henchmen.

  • MedicineBear

    “I’ve paid a lot of taxes.”

    Mitt’s defense (to Chris Wallace) for putting his poor dog on the car roof:
    “We’ve had a lot of dogs.”

    Mitt’s defense to destroying businesses and workers’ livelihoods:
    “I made a lot of money.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JQGBA5PRAYHR7MDWTQ2DORHUM4 concernedAmerican

    Democrats stop whining and republicans how does it feel to get a dose of your own medicine , one unnamed source story comes to mind, remember the death panels. Take your medicine like good little children. Or how Romney would say ” Whats sauce for goose is sauce for the gander”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QQQ5LBUKEEUH63YPEREHXLACZQ Edo

    Romney is a greedy person for everything, women ,money and power. I believe he has not paid income taxes for years and he knows that very well. His vicious attacks are meant to scare any one who tries to ask him about tax returns. People should avoid him like ebola victim.

  • http://www.facebook.com/revjulie3 Julie McKay-wilkinson

    I find it interesting that both sides are in such an uproar about Reid making a statement that is not substantiated when Romney has been incessantly and consistently doing the very same thing regarding Obama since day one. Why aren’t people in an uproar about this? When Romney takes one line out of an entire Obama speech and more importantly takes that one line totally out of context and twists it to indicate Obama is saying something he obviously is not saying if you listen to the whole sentence in context, I do not hear both sides in an uproar about this! Seems to me that if EVERYONE would simply say how they personally believe about something, not misquote another person in doing it, and indicate their personal position on issues we would not have this problem at all. But all I hear Romney doing this in EVERY speech he gives where he is blasting Obama and I really never know what his REAL position is because he changes it depending upon how he chooses to take one of Obama’s sentences out of context and also depending upon who he is addressing at the moment thereby deciding how he will slant his comments.

    Why doesn’t Romney just make his tax returns available and be done with it? Let’s face it…he obviously has something to hide or he would have shown them a long time ago. It is not envy for the rich…it is resentment that they make laws (rich Congress) and find ways, loopholes etc., to avoid paying the very same taxes that they insist middle America pay. They bleed us dry and skip off to the bank gloating, that is the problem!

    I am looking forward to the Presidential debates. I hope they ask pertinent questions and questions that really indicate their position on issues. I also hope they really probe Romney as to why he refuses to release his returns. I also hope they ask Romney a question in such a way as to indicate what his stated initial position was and then what he changed it to in every case so people really understand just how prevalent his flip-flopping has been on everything he says. Make him accountable for his lack of transparency when it comes to releasing his tax returns, evasiveness, his ACTUAL history in closing companies putting Americans out of work and shipping companies overseas, questioning him on his statement about ‘not caring about poor people’, how he can prove, if elected, that continuing to do what was done to get us in this financial mess will make things better for middle America. There are so many questions I would love to ask him and demand an honest answer for! Romney just walks away or ignores the person when he does not want to answer a question.

    When anyone repeats something that was to have been said by another, I find the clip with them saying it so I will know what came from their own mouth rather than what was interpreted. Why doesn’t everyone do that, listening to the entire speech and not take things out of context which misrepresent what the person actually said? Oh, my, what would Romney talk about if he didn’t take things out of context and misrepresent Obama??

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      The Only Thing That Mit Romney Has Been Consistant about Are The Lies That He Makes Up About Obama.

      I would like to ask Romney Why He Has Not Denounced His Mexican Citizenship??

  • adler56

    Romney can prove Reid’s a liar by releasing a return from the ten year period that shows his tax payments- seems simple enough since he’s going to have to release more returns to win the election anyway. Come on williard, you wuss- man up.

  • ladyinwhite

    And even if he does release them, how do we know that during this time of stonewalling he hasn’t “adjusted” them in his favor?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Opie-Bigay/100000727820371 Opie Bigay

    I dont think Reid went to far why should he tell who said Romney didnt pay his taxes for 10 years. I think its fair play. The GOP lie every day about what Pres Obama say and didnt say . Turn about is a bitch. What go around come around. end of story .

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      Pay Back>

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4BUPF4QGUNXBMAXGXZXYOH3KHY robert

    If you got nothin to hide, you got nothin to worry about. Willard got caught lying on his tax returns when running for gov. of Mass. He didn’t satisfy the 2 year requirement of residency and told everyone that he was filing in Mass. He actually filed in Utah and was caught. Now we should just take his word?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZY4EIOLONSK4MHXQBT3VBUISGY EDWARD

    ? WHY IS FLA REBIO PITCHING FOR BARTENDER AND BARMAID JOBS IN NEV. SPEECH
    HE IS THE PROBLEM NOT A SOLUTION.. BOTH BELOW MIMIMON WAGE BOTH MAKE ON TIPS ???
    THATS WHAT ALL REPUBLICANS WANT YOU TO DO LETS HEAR ABOUT SOME REAL
    PAYING JOBS,,,,,,,, RIGHT TO WORK FOR LESS,,,,, YEH RIGHT

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      Edward, would you edit your post so it is understandable??

  • BlogLiberally

    As the ONLY guy that has seen Mitt’s tax returns why hasn’t John McCain gone to the Senate floor to defend Romney? Any idea why he wouldn’t if it wasn’t true.

  • ObozoMustGo

    DISTRACTIONS…….. All this flack about Romney’s taxes is nothing more than a distraction to keep us from focusing on the real problems in America…. Obozo and the abject failure that he is.

    I’ve been saying this for at least a month. Now it’s hitting mainstream. Romney releases tax returns when Obozo releases FULL academic records including admissions applications, papers, classes he took, and scholarships that he used.

    Hat tip, Wayne Allen Root, courtesy of The Blaze:

    I am President Obama’s classmate at Columbia University, Class of ’83. I am also one of the most accurate Las Vegas oddsmakers and prognosticators. Accurate enough that I was awarded my own star on the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. And I smell something rotten in Denmark. Obama has a big skeleton in his closet. It’s his college records. Call it “gut instinct” but my gut is almost always right. Obama has a secret hidden at Columbia- and it’s a bad one that threatens to bring down his presidency. Gut instinct is how I’ve made my living for 29 years since graduating Columbia.

    Obama and his infamous strategist David Axelrod understand how to play political hardball, the best it’s ever been played. Team Obama has decided to distract America’s voters by condemning Mitt Romney for not releasing enough years of his tax returns. It’s the perfect cover. Obama knows the best defense is a bold offense. Just keep attacking Mitt and blaming him for secrecy and evasion, while accusing him of having a scandal that doesn’t exist. Then ask followers like Senator Harry Reid to chase the lead. The U.S. Senate Majority Leader appears to now be making up stories out of thin air, about tax returns he knows nothing about. It’s a cynical, brilliant, and vicious strategy. Make Romney defend, so he can’t attack the real Obama scandal.

    This is classic Axelrod. Obama has won several elections in his career by slandering his opponents and leaking sealed documents. Not only do these insinuations and leaks ruin the credibility and reputation of Obama’s opponents, they keep them on the defensive and off Obama’s trail of sealed documents.

    By attacking Romney’s tax records, Obama’s socialist cabal creates a problem that doesn’t exist. Is the U.S. Senate Majority Leader making up stories out of thin air? You decide. But the reason for this baseless attack is clear- make Romney defend, so not only is he “off message” but it helps the media ignore the real Obama scandal.

    My answer for Romney? Call Obama’s bluff.

    Romney should call a press conference and issue a challenge in front of the nation. He should agree to release more of his tax returns, only if Obama unseals his college records. Simple and straight-forward. Mitt should ask “What could possibly be so embarrassing in your college records from 29 years ago that you are afraid to let America’s voters see? If it’s THAT bad, maybe it’s something the voters ought to see.” Suddenly the tables are turned. Now Obama is on the defensive.

    My bet is that Obama will never unseal his records because they contain information that could destroy his chances for re-election. Once this challenge is made public, my prediction is you’ll never hear about Mitt’s tax returns ever again.

    Why are the college records, of a 51-year-old President of the United States, so important to keep secret? I think I know the answer.

    If anyone should have questions about Obama’s record at Columbia University, it’s me. We both graduated (according to Obama) Columbia University, Class of ’83. We were both (according to Obama) Pre-Law and Political Science majors. And I thought I knew most everyone at Columbia. I certainly thought I’d heard of all of my fellow Political Science majors. But not Obama (or as he was known then- Barry Soetoro). I never met him. Never saw him. Never even heard of him. And none of the classmates that I knew at Columbia have ever met him, saw him, or heard of him.

    But don’t take my word for it. The Wall Street Journal reported in 2008 that Fox News randomly called 400 of our Columbia classmates and never found one who had ever met Obama.

    Now all of this mystery could be easily and instantly dismissed if Obama released his Columbia transcripts to the media. But even after serving as President for 3 1/2 years he refuses to unseal his college records. Shouldn’t the media be as relentless in pursuit of Obama’s records as Romney’s? Shouldn’t they be digging into Obama’s past–beyond what he has written about himself–with the same boundless enthusiasm as Mitt’s?

    The first question I’d ask is, if you had great grades, why would you seal your records? So let’s assume Obama got poor grades. Why not release the records? He’s president of the free world, for gosh sakes. He’s commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. Who’d care about some poor grades from three decades ago, right? So then what’s the problem? Doesn’t that make the media suspicious? Something doesn’t add up.

    Secondly, if he had poor grades at Occidental, how did he get admitted to an Ivy League university in the first place? And if his grades at Columbia were awful, how’d he ever get into Harvard Law School? So again those grades must have been great, right? So why spend millions to keep them sealed?

    Third, how did Obama pay for all these fancy schools without coming from a wealthy background? If he had student loans or scholarships, would he not have to maintain good grades?

    I can only think of one answer that would explain this mystery.

    Here’s my gut belief: Obama got a leg up by being admitted to both Occidental and Columbia as a foreign exchange student. He was raised as a young boy in Indonesia. But did his mother ever change him back to a U.S. citizen? When he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii or as he neared college-age preparing to apply to schools, did he ever change his citizenship back? I’m betting not.

    If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:

    A) He rarely ever attended class.

    B) His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.

    C) He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.

    D) He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia.

    If you think I’m “fishing” then prove me wrong. Open up your records Mr. President. What are you afraid of?

    If it’s okay for U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to go on a fishing expedition about Romney’s taxes (even though he knows absolutely nothing about them nor will release his own), then I think I can do the same thing. But as Obama’s Columbia Class of ’83 classmate, at least I have more standing to make educated guesses.

    It’s time for Mitt to go on the attack and call Obama’s bluff.

    Have a nice day!

    • RUKIDENME

      R U serious or just delusional? Under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act mental health is covered. So get some help before you hurt yourself or somebody else.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gary-Godfrey/100000665142650 Gary Godfrey

      You attack the president for a Romney problem? Your attack lacks pertinence and credibility.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Gary… what is Obozo hiding? And why is he hiding it? Legitimate questions that should be answered. No reason to not answer them if he has nothing to hide.

        Have a nice day!

        Thomas Jefferson: “When the Government fears the people, there is Liberty.”

        • ClydeMcWhorter

          What drugs are you taking? The reason Mit Does not release his tax returns are : If Mit Releases his tax returns, He Can not Win, If He Does not, He Will not Win!!

          • ObozoMustGo

            What is Obozo hiding in his academic records and why is he hiding it? Legitimate questions.

            Have a nice day!

            Thomas Jefferson: “When the Government fears the people, there is Liberty.”

    • rmarqua2921

      Do you have a job? Are you on medication?

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      What an amazing and Brilliant and Original Post you have Made!! Straight Off FOX and Insaniy. You should watch a different TV program and Quit listening to THE Drugster Bimbouagh. You Are Proof that the Dumbing Down of Amercia Has Been Accomplished!

  • jzelensk

    My gut tells me that Reid is not making this up. And if he’s not, then the ball is in Willard’s court.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BLQ7ZDKND2DBJWMCD4BSI4GPVM JPS

    “Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.” $20,000. That’s how much money Romney is estimated to have made from each worker laid off during Bain’s many corporate takeovers. Nice work if you can get it (or take it away from someone else).
    Romney has changed his political stances more than I change my underwear!!! He wants to eliminate the capital gains tax so he never has to pay taxes again! Mitt Romney wants to continue the same Bush policies that got us into this mess. That’s because all in all, it’s been a great decade for his wealthy 1% friends. A CBO report found that income for the wealthiest 1% of Americans had exploded since 1979, by a whopping 275%. In the last year 93% of income went to the top 1%. The Fortune 500 — the biggest companies in America — boosted their earnings a whopping 335% in the last year. CEO pay has skyrocketed 300% since 1990. CEO pay is now 380X the average worker’s, up from 46X in 1980. pay for CEOs has reached an all-time high, just short of $10 million a year. That’s roughly $5,000 an hour. According to a report by Senator Coburn (Republican) of Oklahoma, 1,500 MILLIONAIRES paid no taxes in 2009. 30 Fortune 500 companies paid no taxes in the three years 2008-2011. This welfare for the well-off – costing billions of dollars a year – is being paid for with the taxes of the less… fortunate, many who are working two jobs just to make ends meet, and IOUs to be paid off by future generations. S&P 500 companies last year had more than $2 trillion amassed in cash. That’s enough money to create a living-wage job, for a year, for every single American who is unemployed, underemployed or has stopped looking for work. While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else.
    Mitt Romney supports the Paul Ryan Budget voted on and passed by the Republicans in the house. Ryans plan is guaranteed to blow the debt up by several trillion dollars, not a single tax cut is paid for which is exactly what Bush did and we know how well that’s worked out now don’t we.
    Robert Greenstein, President of Center on Budget and Policy Priorties, said of the Republican Budget, [a.k.a the Ryan Plan] “Specifically, the Ryan budget would impose extraordinary cuts in programs that serve as a lifeline for our nation’s poorest and most vulnerable citizens, and over time would cause tens of millions of Americans to lose their health insurance or become underinsured…Yet alongside these extraordinary budget cuts, with their dismantling of key parts of the safety net, the budget features stunning new tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. These tax cuts would come on top of plans to make the Bush’s tax cuts permanent.
    In fact, TPC reported that the four major new tax cuts in the Ryan plan…would cost $4.6 trillion in lost federal revenue over the next ten years…All four revenue-losing measures would disproportionately benefit wealthy Americans.
    A letter written by the priests and staff of Catholic Georgetown University in response to the PAUL RYAN BUDGET reads:”We would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few,” The letter adds: “In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”
    Ryan’s plan would not only represent a devastating attack on poor Americans while redistributing resources to the rich; it would actually make the worse. This is reflective of Romney’s lack of concern for those less than well off. In 2011 dollars, the minimum wage was more than $10 in 1968, when jobs and pay were peaking for America’s workers. The current minimum wage ranges between $7.25 and $8.67 per hour. Romney flopped on the issue at the start of March. Now he wants the wage to stay at $7.25, with no indexing for inflation. In other words, he wants poor people to earn less every year. Romney wants to put 13M people off of food stamps. He supports the Farm bill that includes cutting $1 billion from the food stamp program. He won’t say whether he supports the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Are women entitled to the same pay for the same exact work as men?
    Mitt Romney is a man who never had to struggle – EVER. He sold stock given to him by his father to survive when he was in college. Although born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and despite the “self-success story” he now tells, Romney didn’t risk one dime of his own money to start Bain Capital. But Romney advises kids to borrow from their parents to startup businesses in the midst of economic catastrophe. This is the worst of times to take business risks. Business startup failures in this country are 90%. Only someone who paid for college by selling stock given to him by his CEO father would just casually assume students could go borrow $20,000 from their parents to deal with the economic challenges they face,” said Joshua Dorner, a spokesman for the Center for American Progress Action Fund. While, I like President Obama and will easily vote for him, my vote is more AGAINST Romney than it is for Obama….Romney has taken a hard right turn on all social issues, and would also nominate far right judges to the courts to help carry out his, as well as the House Republicans 5th century social agenda.
    “All we have to do is replace Obama. … We are not auditioning for a fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. … We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.” — Grover Norquist, Feb. 13, 2012
    Note, Grover knows that they do not need, nor even want, a leader in the white house, just a rubber stamp. The very weakness of Mitt, (IS) the selling point, just a W’s low IQ was the selling point back in 2000, after all, they want the real leadership to go on behind the scenes, away from any voters.
    Vote with your mind as well as your conscience.

  • http://twitter.com/TaalibS taalibdin shabazz

    If Govenor Romney will produce his income tax return, it would resolve the controversy

    • ClydeMcWhorter

      I do not like Harry Reid, but I believe what he said has more truth than not. Why doesn’t Mit Romney Release his tax returns??

      If Mit Romney Does Not Release His Tax Returns He Will Not Win, If Mit Does Release His Tax Returns He Can Not Win!! Poor Little Rich Boy.

      Mit Romney Has Been Ordained to Be President of the USA By GOD. He Believes He Does Not Have to Pay Taxes, Because He Is Better than Everyone else .

      Besides, Mit Romney is A Citizen of Mexico!! Under NAFTA He Does Not Have To Pay Taxes In The good Ole USA.. Check IT Out!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.veal David Veal

    this was misleading in it’s title and a waste of time & bytes.

  • http://twitter.com/TaalibS taalibdin shabazz

    I see the hypocracy being played by Romney in full bloom, but this election don’t have anything
    to do with quaification, it is based on hatred because the Republicans who were debating him
    for the nomination of the party showed his many flaws and there was a lot. hatred is such a strong emotional motivator, that make you go against your own common sense, let us be honest .

    • tranz2deep

      The grammar here is atrocious, but you make interesting points.

      Allow me to edit:

      “I see the hypocrisy played by Romney in full bloom. However, this election isn’t even about qualifications. Rather, it is derived from hatred of the Obama Administration as the Republican Party’s goal all along has been to defeat Obama, eclipsing all other political goals this election cycle.

      All during the nomination, the prospective candidates tore each other to shhreds, exposing deep flaws in each other. Be honest; the only glue holding the GOP together at this point is the fanatic desire to defeat Barack Obama, a drive well beyond the scope of reason.”

      If i got it wrong, I apologize here and now, but I hope to have gotten the gist across. Pardon my presumption, and have a nice day.

      • ClydeMcWhorter

        Dear tranz2deep, You have made a true and factual interpretation, but it may not be what the other person was trying to say. I agree with you 100%,and with what the other person was trying to communicate, but it is kinda hard to comprehend.

  • LeftRightLef

    There are many people who DO know the truth. I know this to be true, because if it were not, Mitt and his cronies wouldn’t have to ask “who told you?”

  • http://twitter.com/cloverr51 Cynthia Jelinek

    I think , that Mitt Romney should releast all his taxes for the last 20 years like every one else has.
    He may be rich, but he is not better than any one else. So if he has nothing to hide? Why not….

  • onedonewong

    old harry has never released a single tax record since running for public office. There is a reason for it he doesn’t claim as income the millions he receives every year from Indian casinos to pay for his 5 Star hotel in DC.
    harry thinks everyone is as crooked as he is

    • tranz2deep

      I’m flagging your comment due to extremely bad grammar. Also, what does Harry’s tax status have to do with the article?

      • onedonewong

        I’m flagging your comment for asking such a STUPID question, if you can;t put 2 and 2 together then go register as a DEM. That’s were are the cretins congregate

  • tranz2deep

    Basically, every single one of these people getting on Reid’s case is saying that his behavior is their sole privilege. I hope he’s not lying, but the critics don’t get to do that sort of thing then shout “j’accuse!” when he does.

    I think it was Hoyle who said that the only way a game is fair is when the rules apply equally to both sides.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1846369653 Rodney K Winkler

    Reid has not gone to far, It’s simple as this, if there’s nothing to hide then why don’t Mitt Romney just make his tax records public, something isn’t right about this guy, Mitt is all about the money, To prove it, just take the R out of his last name, and switch the letters around.. ( Money )….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1353491160 Pete Cerchiara

    Hey, if the right can continue to spew the most ridiculous BS without any evidence, no correct that, with bold evidence on the face of what they say to be utterly and entirely poppycock, why cant a democrat do the same. Mind you I don’t subscribe to putting out entirely fallacious stories to distract from real discourse. And, I think that what the republicans have done for way to long in this regard has destroyed our ethics and our morals of what is right and wrong. It’s about time that Democrats fight fire with fire.

  • http://profiles.google.com/davidscottmcarthur Scott McArthur

    After 16 years of losing campaigns to the rove/atwater tacticians and message gurus of the GOP, the democrats have finally learned how to play the game. It is about time.

  • Ybel

    I simply don’t understand it. Where we’re all these Republicans who are now defending Romney by saying that this is irresponsible when pundits like Donald Trump started his crazy campaign to get President Obama to release his birth certificate.? I an independent voter. Voted for a republican president all the way through 2004 (I know, what was I thinking?). But one thing that really, really bothers me about the President and the democrats is that they simply can’t and won’t fight back. They need to keep pressuring Romney on his taxes and draw the analogy to the birth certificate mess. Trump knew the President was born in the US but they kept that issue alive and grew it to the point where it was all people talked about.

    Come on folks….you all (democrats) came to a knife fight and forgot to bring your knives!

    P.S. Reid did not go too far. Until those returns are released, we have no proof whatsoever as to what was filed and paid.

  • faster

    The media depends VERY heavily on “sources” they “cannot name” and they must cite the reason when they do it. Nothing they cite offers us readers anything to go on regarding the credibility of such sources, yet it seems that most readers tend to accept the reports, relying on the professionalism of journalists, I suppose. With that professionalism having acquired a case of leprosy of late, it is astonishing that the readers don’t demand more credible evidence to back up these stories.

    They are CONSTANTLY quoting people inside our government (and other places) as asking for anonymity because they aren’t authorized to speak to the media. Why are these people still holding their jobs?

    “Not authorized to speak to the media” is just that: NOT AUTHORIZED, yet they did it anyway. When I did freelance work for the U.S. Attorney’s office, I had to undergo a security clearance and sign an oath to NEVER tell anyone what went on in a Grand Jury session. This was reasonable, because its purpose was protective of the innocent. Nothing could have made me “leak” to a reporter, ever. Not even money. If our bureaucrats don’t have to undergo the same things I did, they should. Make it a felony, a violation of an oath, to leak, other than to whistle-blow. Or is it one already? Don’t know, but hope it is. Only whistleblowers who leak are not dishonest scum.

    This is only acceptable behavior if the source who lacks this authorization is a whistle-blower, reporting on impropriety or corruption in his area of the government. It is the only exception that makes such “leaks” proper. There ARE no others. And one simply HAS to ponder whether those “sources” even existed, since the reporter had no obligation to verify the info at all. So it could be just a fictitious story, whole-cloth from the mind of the reporter. Or from the vainglory of the “source.” There’s nothing to indicate that it is, or isn’t. So why be convinced by any such stories?

    Yet we keep hearing these unauthorized “sources” being quoted, and we keep accepting them as credible. Have most Americans lost their ability to be analytical?

    It strikes me that, if the media gets unauthorized info from a source in OUR government, they have an obligation to report the person to his employers. And they have an obligation NOT to use the information which was so improperly obtained. In addition, those caveats about why the source cannot be named seem to be glutting more news stories every day.

    Journalism USED to have standards, a canon of ethics, which few to none of them hold to any more.

    I wish I could find a media source which doesn’t engage in this kind of thing, which is, flatly put, propaganda. They publish their ill-gotten information and try to make it seem fair and professional, when it is anything BUT. A source which has proven itself many times, and which DOES adhere to the standards of their profession, would be a major “find”. They’d probably go out of business, though, because what most Americans want today is “juicy” stories, however improperly obtained. It’s done to get ratings, and the ratings reflect OUR lack of standards, as a public.

    So it will, of course, get worse until the public becomes outraged. Probably it will never happen, though.

    My guess – just a guess, but a strong one – is that John McCain is the hidden “source” he is referring to. McCain HAS seen those “mysterious” tax returns, and it tends to explain why it was that he chose Palin over Romney as his running-mate. My guess is that his jaw dropped when he saw those returns, and now, he told Reid because he felt obligated to protect the country against the likes of Romney. Yeah, it’s a guess, but I’m not the only person making it. And some of those guessing as I do are Republicans.

    Far better, indeed, would be for the returns to be released. It is also my guess that the returns are so horrific, he would lose the nomination if he revealed them. Even the Republicans can blanch on occasion.

    I think Reid took a huge political risk in imitating the media in this manner, but there’s no doubt that he wanted to keep the firestorm of demand for Romney’s returns burning brightly. It seems to have worked. I just hope his risk isn’t realized, because it took some courage to go out on a limb like he did. Such things aren’t going out on limbs on the right, but are very much so in the center and the left.

    Romney himself can do more than to merely quote “secret sources.” He can flat-out LIE in his speeches, like saying Obama never mentioned the deficit in his State of the Union speech, when there is a video available showing him mentioning the deficit several times. THAT”s okay, to Republicans, yet what Reid said is crossing a line?

    Don’tcha just love those double standards, though?

    So here’s the real question: IS the GOP too big to fail? In what manner would it fail, I’d like to know? I suppose it may start when the mindblown “base” gets hurt REAL BAD by Republican “leadership.” Losing homes, jobs and such apparently wasn’t “enough” to trigger their outrage, so what WILL it take? But that would have to wait for a time when America is – again – LED by them, perish the thought. The “base” still hasn’t figured out that the Health Care Act will benefit most of them, the ones who are too poor to buy health insurance, or those who will, or have been, refused care due to pre-existing conditions. That’s pretty dumb. But if they HATE enough in certain ways, they will reliably vote Republican, no matter WHO.

    Which means that Romney doesn’t have to worry a whole lot about his “credibility” to his “base.” He’ll get their votes, no matter what, because he’s not a “N”. Or a dirty liberal. Good enough reason for them, because they’ve been freed from thinking for themselves, as we know all too well. If there are enough such mental midgets, Romney WILL win. He isn’t qualified to “lead” a kitten (or a dog?), much less a nation. The sad part is that many in the “base” already know that, but will vote for him anyway.

    The GOP’s best hope is to have a floor fight and choose someone else. Romney’s “standing” in the GOP is so venomous that even fellow Republicans are quailing at the thought of him as our President. Almost NOBODY on the right really LIKES him, really thinks he’d be a good president. They’ll vote for him, though, unless the party removes him and nominates someone else. Whoever they nominate will get all their votes, and most of the “base” wishes it was someone other than him.

    It just doesn’t get dumber (or sicker) than that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KCS3Y6VPV2ZQPEWGGZLPSKQI7M Maynard

    Romney purports to be a whiz at business and that makes him a better candidate than Obama. What we know about his business ability is that he was able to buy out and dismantle companies and then hide his ill gotten gains abroad. Maybe if he’d let us in on his tax returns we would be very impressed. Chances are, he would be impressing us with his ability to make so much money while paying so little tax.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1317618151 Lydia Caines Cally

    If you are accused of a crime in this country, the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. It is called innocent until PROVEN guilty. To suggest otherwise is ignorant regardless of your title, position or political affiliation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.bennett.9659283 Mark Bennett

    Talk about a surrender of our rights! Mr. Romney has complied with the law regarding his financial disclosures. If Senator Reid is unsatisfied with the law as it stands, he of all people has been in a position to do something about it for years. Where is the legislation that he introduced to compel a presidential candidate to be more forthcoming?

    Furthermore, if Mr. Romney paid no taxes for 10 years, let the IRS purse legal action against him if indeed Mr. Romney broke the law. If he paid no taxes and broke no law, then again, where is the legislation that Senator Reid proposed to change that?

    If Mr. Romney legally paid no taxes, the Senator Reid has only himself to blame. He is the Senate Majority Leader, and was during a period where his party controlled the Senate, the House, and the White House. They could have made the tax law be anything they wanted it to be. So, if Mr. Romney paid no taxes, Mr. Reid has only himself to blame. Who among us voluntarily pays more taxes than legally required? Why should we think Mr. Romney should behave any differently?

    Perhaps Senator Reid, President Obama and their senior advisors would like to demonstrate to us where they voluntarily paid more taxes than the law requires. Otherwise, they should cease to demean the rest of us with their unintelligent babble

  • NYOB1

    The commentary uses a logical construct that fails to take into account “in control of evidence.” The “evidence” is the assertion that Romney did not pay taxes. It IS up to Reid to produce the evidence, NOT Romney, unless Reid is willing to accept the risk of being accused of slander.

    Plus, the fact that laying out all your tax information has become “expected” doesn’t make it right. It started out as a way to show populism: “See, I’m not making that much more than any other Joe, I’m just like you.”

    Finally, what reasonable person expects “aggressiveness unbecoming a Democrat” to have any meaning anymore? It’s not like we’re talking about Hubert Humphrey or Harry Truman, not after Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, or the President. You cite news people using unnamed sources, but they typically wouldn’t just call out something like that unless they had something to back it up. Unless they’re a Democrat.

  • Ibsyboy

    It has been brought to my attention that Harry Reid and Obama are wealthy. First when I use the word Wealthy, I am not talking about people who have earned a good living. I am talking about people who have amassed WEALTH. Like Romney. Reid and Obama are not worth a quarter of a Billion bucks combined. That’s wealth. 250 Million Dollars. And it is thought to be way more than that. But we will never know w/o tax returns. A few numbers to explain Wealth. 1% of the population controls 42% of the Country’s Financial Wealth. 1% of that 1 %.
    0.0001% out distance the bottom part of the 1% by miles. 20% of the USA’s population controls 93% of the Nation’s Financial Wealth. The rest of us, the 80% control 7% of the nation’s Financial Wealth. Now how much influence over Government does 7% get you? Zilch. But, 93% gets you just about what ever you want. That’s the key to the problem. When too few control too much of a country’s wealth you have unemployment, low wages, no benefits, no Unions, no nothing. They practically have it all. And they want Romney in to get our 7%. That is a fact. Ryan’s plan calls for a 25% top tax rate. Who pays for that. We do, with our measly 7%. That’s what Wealth is, Financial and Political power. And the under class the 80% don’t have any of either.

  • t172048

    How about a fair trade. One years tax return for Obamas transcripts from Columbia University, another years tax return in exchange for Harvard transcripts and a third years tax return for an original birth certificate, and a fourth years tax return for the board report that revoked his law license.

  • Ibsyboy

    Things have started out so bad for Romney’s choice of Paul Ryan. They have all the GOP surrogates out doing the rounds of talk shows trying to Save Private Ryan. First thing Romney’s aides do after the announcement of Ryan as VP. They release a statement distancing Romney from the Coveted Ryan Plan. Bam, right between Ryan’s shoulder blades. The next few weeks are going to be spent by the Romney Campaign trying to SAVE PRIVATE RYAN. The Medicare ideas Romney shares with Ryan, is TOXIC. Polls are showing the public’s distaste for R&R’s ideas for America. Sorry GOPers Romney just handed Obama a second term.

  • onedonewong

    Finally a substantive post with merit..Congratulations !!!! I’m proud of you

    • http://www.facebook.com/larry.roth.54 Larry Roth

      Not sure where the merit is? Seems like his posts are up no matter how ignorant his rant is but up none the less.How could u be proud of his words if they weren’t there?

      • onedonewong

        The only ignorant posts I see here are yours and the rest of the left wingnuts

  • Ibsyboy

    Yeah, well the truth is hard to get by the censors as usual. That’s the price one pays for trying to be honest on a Right Wing dominated comment thread. People like myself have to deal with this all the time. You on the other hand with your safe, harmless, non threatening content will always find a safe place within the public square. Your soap box is permanently placed. You can rant all you want without any fear of censorship, or your first amendment rights being impeded, because you are a prole with a prole level world view. Completely harmless, absolutely non threatening. Never have to worry about your first amendment rights being violated. you never say anything with content of value or disrupting measure. A toady with a toadies mind. God Bless America. I will continue to fight for the truth regardless of my first amendment rights being denied me. This is an open forum, suddenly closed by some anonymous censor from you side of the coin.

  • Ibsyboy

    There you go the entire poverty problem of America solved in one comment. So, what your saying is, if the slaves had some freedom and access to the things the Crackers had they could have owned plantations with dumb ass white slaves (such as yourself) , and we would have all white people on welfare rather than the majority we have today. Crackers out number Negroes on the welfare rolls. From the OMB: Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Negro and 46.2 percent White Trash. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Negro recipients compared to 48.5 percent White Trash clients.

  • Ibsyboy

    Why do you spend your time making things up, when you can easily go to Google and get the facts. Bush borrowed a Trillion from the Communist Party of China alone. Where are the defictit adding tax cuts which weren’t paid for, or the 2 wars?
    Here’s the Bush Break down: 2001 to 2009
    +$1.8 Trillion in Tax Cuts
    +$900 Billion Iraq & Afghanistan
    +$616 Billion Defense
    +$608 Billion Non Defense discretionary spending
    +$293 Billion Entitlements
    +$224 Billion TARP
    +$180 Billion Prescription Drug Bill
    TOTAL 5.1 TRILLION (read it and weep)

    NOW OBAMA: 2009 through 2017
    – $503 Billion Spending Cuts
    – $271 Billion Defense Cuts
    – $123 Billion Health Care cuts
    – $51 Billion Defense Non Discretionary
    +$874 Billion American Reinvestment and Recovery Act
    +$620 Billion Extension of Bush Tax Cuts
    +$324 Billion Mandatory Spending ( look it up)
    +$113 Billion Misc.
    TOTAL $983 BILLION

    • http://www.facebook.com/larry.roth.54 Larry Roth

      So ibsyboy that is how we went from 9 trillion debt in beginning of 09 to 16 trillion debt at present because Bush spent so much and obama has cut so much.I guess I’m no good with the math but isn’t 16 -9=7? That’s 7 trillion buckaroos spent in less than 4 yrs.Look it up.

    • Wayout1

      The how did the deficit soar to over 16 trillion! Do you understand math at all? Go back to school!!

      • Ibsyboy

        Get some kid to show you how to use the internet it’s all there for anyone who can use Google or any search engine.

  • Ibsyboy

    The guy God put in the White House. No. God’s son, yes.

  • Alwaysweaving

    This reminds me of the birthers- Sucks that President Obama didn’t release birth records until April 2009, it is obviously a democrat trap if Romney were to release his records- I suspect he plans on releasing them soon though, perhaps near the election date. However, it is stupid of Romney to release them this early if so many of his oppenents are drooling over non-existent people accusing someone of not releasing tax records. I would point out that Harry Reid (Senate Leader.) hasn’t released any tax record since taking office. . . Somehow being a Senator and a leader of the senate and being able to poof stories out of thin air really blinds those to HIS actions. Why hasn’t he released any records? Surely it’s not because he. . . is hiding something!! NO! Not Harry Reid!
    Eh this whole tax record thing is going to go into the “birther crazy” category. Why? Cause while the public deserves to know this, it doesn’t qualify as an argument whatsoever.
    Liberals, you do realize Romney’s playing you like a violin right? It’s scary that anyone would believe the IRS wouldn’t arrest a tax cheat. If you’re not satisfied with the IRS. . .
    Then again it is a felony to steal tax records, so this friend of Harry Reid is a criminal and that should in itself disprove the accusation.

  • Alwaysweaving

    Gah change birth records to certificate :P.
    Yes, hysteria is a fun thing, It helps in sports too!

  • Patriot_Zoomie75

    How many of you would be willing to publicly disclose any tax returns. Romney did what the law requires, and I wouldn’t provide anything beyond that requirement. It is no one’s business, and the only reason for the “outcry” is so that the left wing media and Democrats can look for new reasons to criticize Romney since they can’t defend what they’ve done the past 4 years and the US is in a very bad place going in a worse direction. Our President has spent more time golfing, fund raising, and doing anything but working on setting the environment for economic growth and job creation. Its going on 2 years since he’s met with his jobs council, led by the “pay no taxes,” “King of Outsourcing” President of GE. He has no clue how industry works and no respect for creating business. So long as Romney didn’t break the law, did file his taxes, and has continued to be a good citizen and person, why is in anyone’s business to look at his tax return. Unlike Joe Biden or Al Gore (some of the stingiest charitable givers, he is also quite generous with his time and money. He is in touch with ordinary people. Harry Reid, Joe Biden, and President Obama are in touch with power through division and tom-foolery and have harmed this country to the edge of irrevocable harm.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4QYYKCU76RJHWONI3LXEVS5AEU Ethridge

    you liberals are a disgrace, you are so jealous of anyone that is successful. you are so dumb with your rants about rich people tells you are broke and stupid probably living off the government. why haven’t you asked obama to unseal his records. what is he hiding. my guess is you don’t care about obamas records. all you want is obamas give away programs. you are a bunch of leaches.

  • Plaintruths

    Thank you for clarifying this legal doctrine, that under the “law”, when a person refuses to provide proof, he/she is inferred to be guilty.
    Therefore;
    Obama never went to college, probably cheated on his grades, was born in Kenya, still watches porn……
    Oh yes, and the IRS is staffed by thousands of inept bumbling fools who cannot find a tax cheat like Romney even after they are told he has been cheating, by the Senatte majority leader, for a decade.
    Just to be clear that is.

  • Nery Wasserman

    I have a question….Does anyone know how many times Mitt visited China on business?
    Is there a possibility that he own’s property there ….thru a corporation or personal?
    Has he assigned one of his sons as a representative for his China deals or another
    business close assistant?

    Also why would a Mormon (Mr. Reid lie) it just does not make sense…

    • Wayout1

      Because the Mormon Church told Reid to shut up, and believe me, he will!

  • servant1jkb

    TWO CHOICES?
    1Either Dingy Harry is a liar or….
    2. The IRS is asleep at the wheel for missing ten years of no tax files from Romney not a believable idea!
    SO C #1!

  • KurtofLA

    What a slime ball this Harry Reid

  • VeteranForTruth

    I believe that Romney is the poster child for tax loopholes. That is why he won’t release his taxes.

  • Wayout1

    Reid probably does not know what he is talking about as usual. As to why he is mum now, its because the Mormon Church, of which he is a member, has told him to shut up!!

  • Evantoo

    Reid’s an idiot. That he was just re-elected by his Nevada constituents reinforces my view that Nevada is a festered pimple attached to the equally sick California and Oregon from which it gets most of it’s pus.

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