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Friday, October 28, 2016

America, you are an idiot.

You are a moocher, a zombie, soulless, mouth-breathing, ignorant, greedy, self-indulgent, envious, shallow and lazy.

The foregoing is a summation of “analysis” from conservative pundits and media figures — Cal Thomas, Ted Nugent, Bill O’Reilly, et cetera — seeking to explain Mitt Romney’s emphatic defeat. They seem to have settled on a strategy of blaming the voters for not being smart enough or good enough to vote as they should have. Because America wasn’t smart enough or good enough, say these conservatives, it shredded the Constitution, bear-hugged chaos, French-kissed Socialism, and died.

In other words, the apocalypse is coming.

Granted, such thinking does not represent the totality of conservative response to the election. The reliably sensible columnist Kathleen Parker offered a, well… reliably sensible take on what’s wrong with the Republican Party. Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal spoke thoughtfully to Politico about how conservatism must change to meet the challenges of the future.

Unfortunately, for every Parker or Jindal, there is a Donald Trump urging revolution or a petition drive advocating secession from the union. And just when you think you’ve heard it all, just when you think you could not possibly be more astonished at how panic-stricken and estranged from reality much of the political right now is, there comes word of Henry Hamilton’s suicide.

He was the 64-year-old owner of a tanning salon in Key West, FL. As recently reported in The Miami Herald, he was found dead two days after the election with empty prescription bottles next to him, one for a drug to treat anxiety, another for a drug to treat schizophrenia. Hamilton, according to his partner, Michael Cossey, was stressed about his business and had said that if President Obama were re-elected, “I’m not going to be around.” Police found his will, upon which was scrawled “F— Obama.”

  • Sour grapes always create the sweetest whinnes.

  • Oh’ my, poor us! Umm’ when will Cal Thomas, Ted Nugent, Bill O’Reilly, “et cetera” be leaving the country and….. can we count on that?

    • idamag

      Robert, if only.

    • They don’t really have anywhere to go. I can’t really think of a nation what would want them!!

    • Replying to Robert Walton –

      Wasn’t Rush Limbaugh supposed to move out of the United States if Obama won the election 4 years ago? Will he actually KEEP HIS WORD and leave now that President Obama won a second term?

      • Zoe

        We are a great country, but unfortunately, not that great! That human piece of shyt will still be around, prospering in his cesspool of ridiculous hyperpole.

  • nobsartist

    Face it, willard lost because America is smarter than the republiCONs figured.

    Sorry Nuge and the rest, you are all out of touch idiots.

  • sonatherun

    Jindal and I think others have applied the Republican playbook too, just flat insulting them, calling them stupid. We’ve been using their playbook more, too, no more knives at gunfights, calling them out, getting in the game, making sure Con’s cons con Cons, not the rest of us. Yes, they hate America, but they aren’t stupid, they’re just married to the belief hate and lies work, and as is human nature, they attribute their own vices to others. In the process, they’ve earned a lot of hate.

  • People need to quit listening to these Right Wing Nut Jobs with the microphone they spew hatred, racism and venom. Like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter ect…

    • latebloomingrandma

      Plus, many of these purveyors of right wing hate are fabulously wealthy because of this shtick they discovered. They are laughing all the way to the bank, folks. Angry people who listen to them need to start thinking about the possibility that they are being “played.” Start massaging the other side of yor brain by widening your circle of information sources. The old adage of not putting all your eggs in one basket.

      • Replying to latebloomingrandma –

        That would take a high level of intelligence and the ability to think for themselves.

        Sorry. Ain’t gonna happen.

  • just because our president is’nt white does’nt mean the end of the world , only God can determine that

    • Oh, but he is half white–remember that! And he has my support….whatever his color

  • adler56

    We need many more republicans like Henry Hamilton

    • CPANewYork

      Yes, dead.

  • Some are zealots but half are just cynics who do not care if others commit suicide. All the cynics care about is money and personal power. That is the reason there cannot be constructive dialogue: these individuals make more money while the nation falters. That is fine with them, they are so selfish.

  • sigrid28

    These Republican zealots could take a lesson from my favorite living film critic, Roger Ebert. Any fool can pan a film he doesn’t like. Ebert excels because he has so many ways of praising the films he does like. Think of how easy it is for us on the National Memo comment thread to think of ways to criticize Mitt Romney. How much harder is it to find the right words to explain why you voted for Barack Obama? As a writing teacher, I see this all the time–“easy to be hard,” as the long lyric goes. “Easy to say no.” Now the Republican media have a difficult writing assignment even for a news outlet so good at savaging its perceived opponents. When it comes to their defeat, they have to criticize without condemning, with the goals of correcting course and healing divisions within the party.

    As an American Literature teacher, I would like to assign these challenged right-wing writers and orators two films currently playing, Steven Speilberg’s biography of Abraham Lincoln (which just opened in theatres) and Ken Burns’s documentary about the dust bowl (now showing on PBS). In the Burns’s documentary, you see a storyteller trying to make sense of an environmental and social catastrophe of such length and ferocity as to be the inverse opposite of Hurricane Katrina or Hurricane Sandy, a long slow scrubbing of the land down to its arid core over a decade’s time versus a short violent eradication of the Atlantic coast (or the Gulf coast, in Katrina) almost overnight via the perfect storm. We are all familiar with these terrible storms from their coverage on television news and from interviews with their victims. In familiarizing us with the dust bowl, Burns lets pictures speak for themselves and survivors speak for themselves, while keeping the viewer oriented chronologically through photo captions printed on the screen and newsreel footage and newspaper headlines interspersed among very moving testimony by eye-witnesses to the devastation. The lesson here is that to fix the Republican party, leaders must report the damage, listen to reliable sources, and let facts speak for themselves.

    Speilberg builds on a mountain of excellent scholarship, through which we have, over the years, come to know Abraham Lincoln, warts and all. Republicans need to watch how in Speilberg’s biography Lincoln uses oratory and storytelling to persuade the reluctant north to fight and the implacable south to surrender. Personally, I think Republican leaders need a refresher course in the Civil War, especially with respect to the resurgence of xenophobia within its ranks. In the midst of the Petraeus affair, we can all sympathize with President Lincoln and his difficulty in finding suitable generals. Finally, Democrats need to let Lincoln’s example toughen us up for a fight in which many have died already (tens of thousands in many battles in the Civil War) and many more will probably have to suffer, before civil rights are secured for all American citizens once and for all. After the voting abuses of the 2012 presidential election, it is useful to note that the excess which drove John Wilkes Booth to shoot the president was new legislation to give freed slaves the right to vote.

    • ‘Tis Moi

      Exceptional response, sigrid28. I thought the same, but you articulated it perfectly! It’s a shame that the GOP has gone from the party of Lincoln to the (hateful) joke they are today.

      Btw, +1: Roger Ebert is brilliant. I miss Siskel & Ebert… 🙁

      • sigrid28

        Me, too. I give them a thumbs up.

      • They are just afraid of this particular Black man, (Obama), he is smart, funny, well Educated than Trump and even though he has a White mother is regarded a Black man, but, when they start to change their understanding of a Black man then they will also change as a political party. How can you act Racist and go to a coloured man to tell him to vote for you, and when he votes for you, you will tell him to go to the emergency ward early in case he does not have a health insurance so he be protected, by law or constituition not to die.

    • Well said sigrid 28. Due to the nastiness in our politics, we have driven our moderates out of Washington. The Extreme Right and Left, have left us little common ground to work with, But if we stop letting the Media put a, kink in our tails, we will find a way to compromise. Remember the Media gets paid well to keep us divided. It will be interesting to see just how the Media is going to handle the new political mix. Somehow I do not think they will be so easily divided.

      • sigrid28

        The moderates may indeed be driven out. Do you think a moderate might just be a rough hewn liberal or conservative who has his edges smoothed out some by the rough and tumble of American politics? I hope so, because then maybe new moderates will emerge, even from this unpromising pile of rocks.

    • Bravo, Sigrid!

  • montanabill

    All of us ‘out of touch idiots’ have a pretty simple question. All of you love big government spending, lots of entitlements, lots of welfare, in all guises…help the disadvantaged du jour. Our question: why do you think someone else ought to pay for it. Don’t raise taxes on the poor and middle class. Make the rich pay their ‘fair share’. But since that can’t possibly cover even 1/10th of the spending, borrow, keep borrowing, borrow some more…put the debt on our children, grand children and great grand children.
    They can pay the price for our laziness and selfishness.

    • latebloomingrandma

      This liberal doesn’t love “big government.” I just want effective gov’t. Gov’t is a framework by which we organize our society. Since America has so many varieties of people, it makes it a little more messy. We don’t live in a theocracy where everyone is assumed to be homogenous. We want a say-so in where our $$ is spent. To level the playing field for our people provide equal opportunities (not equal outcomes) and is a step toward reducing crime. Why did the Mafia flourish in the early 20th century? When ethnic groups are marginalized and vilified, they look to their own kind for “protection.” Gang mentality works for a reason. The huge disparity today in incomes has many people who can’t get ahead, despair ensues and violent crime goes up. The gov’t can assist in correcting these disparities without creating a welfare state. That’s why Obama is so pro-education and pro-healthcare. Good health and an education can empower people to work and contribute to society.

      • idamag

        Late Blooming, it is judged big spending when it is not being spent on us. Romney/Ryan had proposed a budget that had more spending. They were asking for additional tax breaks for the top 2% and to increase the military spending by 8 billion dollars. Corporate welfare was not to be touched. So, “big spending” depends on who the money goes to.

      • neece00

        Very well said, these are the things that will help the American people.

      • montanabill

        Why do you think there is not a level playing field? Is it because over that last few decades government has put into place so many regulations that an enormous hurdle has been created for the would-be entrepreneur? There has always been a huge disparity in incomes, from the days of kings to the days of the America’s industry moguls in the early 1900’s to dot-com, real estate and hedge fund rich of today. In every time, in every country, there are people who find a way to succeed against whatever odds are placed against them. It is certainly true that each year, the work required to create a successful venture gets harder, but it is equally hard for everyone and it is primarily government creating the obstacles. Money alone, won’t guarantee success. (See Solyndra)
        I certainly have no problem with pro-education or pro-healthcare, but a big government solution of one-size fits all will never produce optimum results. Good education has been a goal in America since our founding. We pour billions of dollars into it. Are we getting our monies worth? The average student today knows virtually nothing about American history or world history, how our government works, math or science. Could it be that education takes its cue from a government that tries to ‘equalize’ outcomes for everyone? What have we just done to healthcare but exactly the same thing. In an attempt to ‘equalize’ access, we have effectively decreased access and quality for the vast majority.
        The opportunity for good health care and good education are essential, but neither will empower people. That comes from within. If those things are available, those that have the desire and the willingness to work will use those elements on their paths to success in their lives.

    • WhutHeSaid

      Methinks you miss the point entirely.

      What most liberals, moderates, and many conservatives want is fairness. A system rigged in favor of the wealthy (who already have an advantage by virtue of their wealth) creates the income disparity that is damaging to the overall economy and is the historical fuel for civil unrest, violence, and revolution.

      What this means for those (like you) who feign confusion is that you PAY YOUR BILLS. Your tax burden is not a horrible injustice forced upon you by a tyrannical overlord — it is the WILL OF THE PEOPLE. You have benefited from the largesse of THE PEOPLE for far too long without ever learning to appreciate it, so just stop lying about it just because you are greedy and selfish.

      If you are so worried about your descendents, then tighten up your belt, buy less toys, and invest in their future. Quit your pitiful whining and self-serving lie-fests about ‘big government’, and PAY YOUR BILLS.

      Your never-ending boasts that successful businesses spring up like weeds wherever you walk with nary a helping hand from anyone else directly contradicts your incessant whining about taxes. If you truly were so successful all by yourself, then you wouldn’t worry at all about a 2% tax hike — why, you’d just start another of your ‘successful business gardens’ or move to Antarctica, which has both zero taxes and plenty of wide open spaces for new ‘successful business forests’.

      The truth is that you are just a common greedy slug, who gobbled up the benefits provided by THE PEOPLE all your life. Although you happily gorged yourself on public help, you whine and cry pitifully when called on to pony up your share.

      The jig is up. America heard all of the ridiculous whoppers and rejected them soundly. The only thing left for you to do is SHUT UP AND PAY YOUR BILLS.

      • montanabill

        Whut, you and I probably started from similar circumstances near the very bottom of the food chain. We created our lives with our decisions and our determination. I never asked for or received government assistance to go to school, help when I had serious illness, bought a home, during the times I was unemployed, or during any of the years I was building my businesses. In fact, the only check I get from government is SS and that is donated to various veterans groups. Over last 40 years or so, I have also been responsible for paying half of the SS and Medicare requirements for hundreds of employees.

        By all rights then, my BILL should be equal to or lower than your bill. But I will guarantee you that I pay more on my BILL in one or two years than the total income you made during your entire life.

        Man up and admit that perhaps it is you who is not paying his ‘fair share’.

        • WhutHeSaid


          I really enjoy talking with you, because every time you are called out on your sphincter-clenching greed you resort to fantasizing about your imaginary ‘success’. This is, of course, why you dissolve into spasms of rage and jealousy whenever a REAL success such as Warren Buffett is mentioned.

          Not a post of yours goes by without your juvenile attempts to puff up your own ego by suggesting that you are more successful than whomever you are talking to. In reality, people who are actually successful (as opposed to day-dreaming of success) have more responsibility and less of a desperate need to stroke their own egos.

          Just PAY YOUR BILL, you DEADBEAT — and consider yourself lucky that you don’t have to pay MY tax bill.

          • montanabill

            I’m guessing I could pay your tax bill with change from a $1.

          • WhutHeSaid

            I doubt that you could afford my tax bill at all, but that won’t stop you from stroking your own ego in public while spewing greedy lies. You probably don’t have that many pennies left to spend, and I’m guessing those that what you DO have came mostly from cheating those who made the mistake of trusting you.

            I’ll bet the very thought of paying your taxes causes your miserly bunghole to burst aflame with new spasms, yes? Of course it does — that’s why you come out here and howl pitifully on a daily basis. Better stock up on the ice cream, because nobody believes your incredible whoppers.

          • montanabill

            Whether you believe or not is relevant only to you, because if you had to admit that what I’ve done, can be done, it would pretty much invalidate your excuses and your reason for hate.

          • WhutHeSaid

            My goodness — I don’t hate you, Bill! I really enjoy poking holes in overinflated egos, so please know that you are very much appreciated.

            Truth be told, aside from the fact that you exaggerate your business prowess and attempt (unsuccessfully, of course) to belittle anyone who disagrees with you by suggesting they are unsuccessful, I believe you aren’t a bad guy — in a greedy old coot sort of way. Everybody needs an old Uncle Scrooge to remind them what happens when you abandon all else for the lust of money. At least you don’t appear to be a bigot, and that gives you some credibility in my eyes.

            Can we still be pals?

          • montanabill

            Whut, I see way too many stories and posts that are ‘woe is me’. Then that crowd usually goes on to blame someone else or something else for their situation. I posted for a long time without revealing my story because I know that the natural inclination, upon finding out that I have done well, is to tune out the message. I must have been born wealthy, or I must be really lucky, or I must have taken advantage of people. The message most frequently heard, is that you can’t make it on your own. The hell you can’t. You are never too old, too young or the wrong color either. If you are healthy, can think, can set realistic goals, and are determined and flexible, you can reach those goals. I’m not just talking about the pursuit of money either. If you have a passion and become the best you can be at it, usually money will not be a problem.
            Do I come off as greedy simply because I oppose higher taxes on the rich? Here’s what happens to money when it is earned by the 1 or 2%. It is either spent, resulting in jobs. It is invested, resulting in business development or expansion, which means jobs. Or it is taxed and doesn’t do either of the first two. If it is invested, not only does it work to produce jobs, but hopefully, will result in more profit which will be taxed at the top rate and the remainder used for more expansion. That is the upward expansion spiral we want.
            Money taken for taxes does none of that. A portion may go to help people and the infrastructure and defense, but the majority is spent on things that will not do a single thing to grow the economy. It is a downward spiral.

            I don’t consider anyone an enemy, Whut.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Tax breaks to the already wealthy DO NOT create jobs. If they did we’d be swimming in a sea of good jobs after a decade of the Bush Tax Cuts. What creates a robust economy is a middle class with good purchasing power AND a decent business climate. This is a balance, and the income disparity between the very wealthy and the working classes has been growing for decades.

            Your wish for more and more tax cuts for the wealthy is every bit as deadly an economic ‘death spiral’ as too much government spending. The key is balance, and it’s clear which direction the balance has taken over the last couple of decades. The middle class must prosper at all costs, because this is the real magic of the American economy — always has been.

            Don’t pat yourself on the back too hard — much of business is good luck. Don’t bother denying it because I know as well as you what it takes. Much of it is infrastructure, but the real key is a healthy customer base. Some people aren’t business minded, and that doesn’t mean that they are crying the blues or worthless moochers. Without 9-5 people to buy the vast majority of the consumer products the American economy wouldn’t be the envy of the world.

            You may be terrible at some things where others excel. This does not make you any better. Are you a good doctor, scientist, teacher, preacher, baker, artist, entertainer? No? So does that make you a worthless piece of crap? No — it just makes you one piece of the puzzle — nothing more. Stop acting like business people are the most worthy people on Earth — they aren’t.

          • montanabill

            The data from immediately after the Bush tax cuts took effect show they did exactly that, they created a post 9/11 boom in the economy and employment.

            Admittedly, we need a middle class with purchasing power. Henry Ford understood that when he devised a way to build and price his cars for the middle class and paid his workers enough to be able to afford them. Without the change in attitude that Ford created toward paying his employees well, we might well have keep the disparity that existed between company owners and employees that existed previously. That was a gigantic disparity compared to today. It wasn’t the unions that created the 8 hour work day or the 40 hour week, it was a business owner, Henry Ford. Fortunately for America, there was no competition from foreign manufacturers who could build those cars for a fraction of what Ford was paying.

            So how is the middle class grown? Is it from handouts given by the government with money taxed from the wealthy or is it from businesses forming, growing and being prosperous? We will most likely never again be able to compete in the unskilled manufacturing labor market. Unfortunately, our school system has failed us in the creation of a well educated work force. Teachers go to school to learn to be teachers but they don’t major in the actually subject(s) they will be teaching. The days when we were turning out engineers in all disciplines, chemists, physicists, mathematicians, computer scientists, by the droves seem to be over. Gone too, are the Technical High Schools that created the people who keep things running. But, given a favorable environment, I have no doubt that people with ideas will be plotting the next industries. The difference between a China and a France. At this point in our history, regulations are more of an impediment than taxes, and certainly growing much faster, but taxes suck out the life blood of business.

            I don’t know the answer to this question, but consider how things might be different if most of the money spent on entitlements and welfare had been spent on research and development. And what are we building for the future with our spending of over $1 trillion/year more than the government takes in?

            You might notice that I don’t measure success by simply gaining wealth. That person who becomes the best that they can be, in their chosen field, will attain a joy of life and satisfaction with it. It has been my observation, that such people usually don’t have to worry about where their next meal is coming from.

          • WhutHeSaid

            I can agree with many of your points, but I do not agree that the Bush Tax Cuts were effective in creating meaningful economic growth. When you consider the cost of the resulting deficit versus the primary beneficiaries of the cuts, there is an argument to be made that small businesses and most consumers may actually end up worse off over time.

            The primary beneficiaries of the Bush tax policies were clearly the most wealthy Americans. The vast middle class consumer received far less substantial benefits over the short term, and long term effects for the less wealthy are likely to be a significant net loss over time. Why? Because these tax policies have resulted in enormous deficits that must be reconciled at some point. Failure to do so will eventually result in the ‘chickens returning to roost’ as the accumulating debt consumes a larger and larger share of GDP.

            The income disparity that has been accelerated by the decade-long ‘trickle-down’ experiment has already resulted in a record deficit, a lowering of the country’s credit rating, and a near free-fall into a serious depression. Recall that the US had a surplus during President Clinton’s tenure. The deficit has only increased as first President Bush, then President Obama enacted emergency stimulus measures which drove the deficit even higher. President Obama had little choice in this situation — he could not possibly reverse the economic collapse by cutting entitlement or other programs. Every economist worth his salt and most people with common sense will admit this is a fact.

            The net result of the Bush policies will eventually be considered a significant net loss even though there was initially some short-term gain. Although tax cuts that primarily benefited the wealthy were not the only causes (unfunded major wars are a notable case in point), they certainly did not help the situation at all.

            I agree that spending on research and development are preferable to entitlement programs, but in order for this to be feasible we have to reverse the shrinking of the middle and working classes. Expecting those most impacted from ill-conceived economic policies to bear the biggest burden of the cost to restore the economy is both utterly ridiculous and also distinctly immoral

            It’s clear that President Obama correctly sees the investment in research, development and education as a key for long term economic improvement. It is also clear that he knows the working classes need the most urgent help, and anyone who disputes this is simply lying. It’s also true that letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire for the upper income brackets will not solve the economic problems that the country faces, but it does help. Arguing that the upper 1% can’t eliminate the deficit so why bother is like saying that since you can’t pay your entire electric bill for the year immediately, then there is no value in paying anything at all.

            The GOP’s belligerent positions on these issues has only served to make things worse. There was a time not long ago that they (the GOP) could have reached an agreement that would have made very substantial reductions in spending, but refusal to cooperate wrecked the pending deal and resulted in a lowering of the US credit rating. Now the political winds have changed, and the GOP no longer has the political leverage it once did on this issue. Americans know full well that these ‘trickle-down’ policies are responsible for the current mess, and they declared as much (and more) on November 6. This time the GOP has little choice — the expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts for the upper income brackets is now pretty much a forgone conclusion.

          • montanabill

            If the wealthy were the primary beneficiaries of the Bush tax cuts, why then, did they wind up with a greater percentage of income taxes paid?

            I find that the turning point was the election of a Democrat controlled Congress that immediately initiated new spending, and the involvement in two wars. Those two events undermined the economy that was fueled by the tax cuts.

            Actually, the political winds didn’t change at all. We have almost exactly the same government we had after the 2010 elections.

            Let’s say that the GOP agrees to either tax increases for the top 2% or eliminating enough deductions to create about the same revenue increase. Exactly what spending reductions are Obama and the Democrats proposing as their part of the compromise? Is it reductions to the already built-in budget spending increases, or real reductions to spending? If it is the former, I would urge the GOP not to even consider a deal.

          • WhutHeSaid

            I said that the Bush Tax Policies favored the very wealthy, not that they successfully grew the economy. They didn’t. You can argue your numbers all day long, but you can’t escape the simple fact that income disparity is greater than any time since 1928. What you also continually overlook is the total tax picture, which includes a number of regressive taxes at the state and local level that have actually been rising over the years.

            Look, it’s real simple: You can’t argue that by wrecking the economy you lowered the tax rates of the unemployed. While the tax rates of the unemployed are indeed lower than those who are working — it is a disingenuous argument. I see where you want to go with this, but let’s stay with reality and not venture into ‘alternate reality arguments’ — shall we? The economy was wrecked by Bush, Wall Street practices, and the fruits of deregulation. Bush’s name is unmentionable precisely because anyone who is sober agrees with this.

            Don’t bother to blame the Democrats in Congress for Bush’s doubling of the deficit and surplus-busting tax policies. Yes, Democrats did support both wars. No, Democrats are not ‘responsible’ for both wars. Bush’s tax policies were doomed to failure, and a number of economists protested the policies at the time as ill-conceived. They were correct in this assessment. The early Bush economy was increasingly fueled by equity extraction during the housing bubble — which was an accident waiting to happen.

            The political winds HAVE changed — quite a lot. The economy was the number one issue of the election. In case you didn’t notice, the case was made to the American public for ‘trickle-down’ versus a more Keynesian economic policy. Trickle-down theories were soundly defeated.

            You apparently believe that the GOP has more political capital than it actually does, as if once the GOP lost the election they were invited to the victor’s table to share in the political rewards. They weren’t. The government is not the same as 2010. We now have a 2nd term President with a clear mandate in a couple of important areas, and wins in both the Senate and House despite feverish gerrymandering efforts. Smart Republicans can read the writing on the wall.

            I believe that Obama can get a much better deal now than he offered to the GOP in 2011. He should separate the upper and middle class tax cuts into separate issues, or failing that, let all of the Bush tax cuts expire and approach the middle class tax issue as a stand-alone issue. Republicans will look very, very bad opposing a tax cut for the middle class all by itself. GOP refusal to ‘consider’ the deal? Fine — see you again in 2016, and let’s see if this time Texas can go blue.

          • montanabill

            I can also say that prior tax policies discriminated against the rich. Your perspective is largely dictated by your tax bracket.
            I won’t argue the numbers for the Bush years, here they are: Overall real GDP grew at an average annual rate of 2.5%. Between 2001 and 2005, GDP growth was clocked at 2.8%. The number of jobs created grew by 6.5% on average. The growth in average salaries was 1.2%. Growth in consumer spending was 72% faster than growth in income. Investment in residential real-estate soared, growing 26% faster than average.
            As far as total taxes are concerned, the increase at the state and local level hit the wealthy just as much as lower income groups. In states with income tax, the wealthy pay proportionately more. In states with sales tax, the wealthy buy more and the things they buy are generally more expensive, so their sales tax contribution is much higher. As far as property (ad valorem) taxes, the wealthy have more, larger and more expensive properties. Most likely, they also own commercial property paying taxes. The primary tax on low income earners is called, ‘the lottery’.

            I hear all the time that ‘tickle down’ theories were, as you say, soundly defeated. But only progressives espouse that claim. There is a fairly simple logic at play here. In a society where everyone is poor, there is no trickle in any direction. If there is not an energized commerce society, there is no middle class. In order to have an energized commerce society, there must be people who create it. Those people are willing to take higher risks and work harder than the general populace in order to create something. As we have learned, there must be some layer of government control lest we return to a ‘robber baron’ economy, but too much government control stifles the very energy required of creators.
            Keynesian works only when government has a surplus or a very small debt. Once the debt reaches a certain level, keynesian is self defeating and we have long passed the debt threshold.

            I have not claimed the Democrats were ‘responsible’ for the wars, but they were complicit. In 2003, the Bush Administration attempted to create an agency to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The bill never made progress in Congress, facing sharp opposition by Democrats. In 2005, the Republican controlled House of Representatives passed a GSE reform bill (Federal Housing Finance Reform Act) which “would have created a stronger regulator with new powers to increase capital at Fannie and Freddie, to limit their portfolios and to deal with the possibility of receivership”. However, the Bush administration opposed the bill and it died in the Senate. Of the bill and its reception by the Bush White House, Ohio Republican Mike Oxley (the bill’s author) said: “The critics have forgotten that the House passed a GSE reform bill in 2005 that could well have prevented the current crisis. All the handwringing and bedwetting is going on without remembering how the House stepped up on this. Later, when Bush finally accepted the dangers, Barney Frank with Democrats in power, thwarted new attempts to rein in Fanny and Freddie.

            Again, as is Obama, you are focused on ‘tax increases’. But the key word used by the President is ‘compromise’. The biggest engine driving our economy downward is spending and tax increases at any level would not have much of an effect on the deficit and leaving the debt to continue to increase dramatically. So exactly what entitlement reform or spending cuts is the President offering as his part of the ‘compromise’? Republicans remember, all too well, the ‘compromise’ offered to Bush I when he agreed to raising taxes in exchange for spending cuts which never materialized.

    • Check the stats, bro. Most people taking handouts are from your party.

      • montanabill

        I really don’t care who is taking the handouts. It needs to stop, both for individuals and for corporations. Both political parties are responsible, but the Dems more so than the Republicans.

        • WhutHeSaid

          Really? Why is it that you appear to ignore the FACT that the so-called ‘red states’ (Republican majority) are by far the biggest consumers of government assistance of all kinds? This FACT must be fairly inconvenient when arguing your point.

    • daniel bostdorf

      Go away “montana bill” or whoever you are.

      You and ‘obozomustgo” have plagued this site with your propaganda far too long.
      Go back to Fox “News” and post there.

      You and your Teaparty friends don’t count anymore.

      You lost.

      Here is what you and Rove and your other right wing friends tried to do to the REAL AMERICAN people—-straight out of the propagandists playbook.

      In this case, the Teaparty’s favorite propagandist other than Rove:

      Hitler’s Mein Kampf lays out blueprint of Nazi propaganda efforts.
      Hitler writes in chapter VI:

      “Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses. The broad masses of the people are not made up of diplomats or professors of public jurisprudence nor simply of persons who are able to form reasoned judgment in given cases, but a vacillating crowd of human children who are constantly wavering between one idea and another. The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood.”

      The American people saw through you and your ilk and the propaganda that was in the guise of “truth.”

      We will never let it happen again.

      • montanabill

        Read your quote again. Read it again. Keep reading it until you can associate it with the ‘war on…’ propaganda waged by the Democrats. If people are not taught history, or civics, or math in their schools, then they have no foundation for making rational thought or decisions. That is our public education today.

  • In doing my research on the topic I found a description stating that fascism is noted for its rejection of reason and intelligence.Now ,the pundits,the party,and its constituency may not be actual fascists but they are giving us all a reasonable facsimile of it. If they maintain their current attitude,their existence as a viable political party will cease to exist.Democrats and Independents will take center stage.Good riddance to bad trash!

  • CPANewYork


    The thirteenth amendment didn’t spur Booth to kill Lincoln. Booth was part of a kidnap plot long before that.

    Booth was a typical Southerner. He hated the North even though that didn’t stop him from playing before Northern audiences for the money and press coverage. Like most Southerners, he wanted to be separate from the North.

    The South seceded not because Lincoln’s election threatened slavery. It didn’t. Lincoln said that if preserving slavery would preserve the Union, he’d preserve slavery. The South seceded because they wanted to secede. It was an entirely emotional reaction to growing Northern dominance.

    The mid-nineteenth century Southerner wasn’t much different from the present day Southern redneck.

    • Whatever. Point remains. But what was interesting to note is the industrial versus agricultural differences between the two segments of the country. In my mind, Lincoln is great because he sought to preserve the union and prevailed. Now over 150 years passed, the attitudes and biases still linger in the minds of those southern states, and ones whose citizens receive more government handouts than people in blue states. They voted for Romney poor ignorant folks! Something needs to be said about inbreeding. And as for Jindal…an opportunist to say the least. His state (LA) take a look and see what he hasn’t done. Then put that against the backdrop of what he is now saying about Romney’s gift gaffe. Everyone with any sense is running every which way from Romney like he has AIDS. And that dumb F–k Rove trying to justify losing billions recieved by donors. Idiot!

  • Totally great article. These sad, puffed-up, stupid people–they drown themselves in their proverbial self-made septic tanks filled with hate, fear and loathing and then blame it on everyone else through their own sheer cowardice.

    It must be a living hellish nightmare to live in their twisted version of ‘reality’. But then, in the end, these types get exactly what they deserve. Too bad they just can’t see it.

  • idamag

    It is people like limbwaa, o’reilly, hannity, and coulter who are destroying the Republican Party. As for the guy who committed suicide, obviously, he had deep seated mental problems to begin with.

    • neece00

      You’re right ida, the man was disturbed in more ways than any of us will ever know. I sometimes wonder how much the religious aspect, of some people, play into their superstition, fears or even anger towards other people.

      • Hamilton probably had too much UV rays that effected his thought processes!

  • So very, very true Mr. Pitts.

  • So, so sorry he took his life, I’m sure he wasn’t taking his medication or seeing his MD or Therapist. I work with is severly ill , and if they want to end their life they sadly will do so with any excuse

  • Equine feculence! That’s so much better to swallow that horse exhaust. 🙂

  • ococoob

    Did the conservative political infotainment complex kill Henry Hamilton? CLOSE!

  • ococoob

    What’s frightening about this whole thing is that these “zealots” sound, look, and act like something out of the playbook of Nazi propaganda head, Joseph Goebbels!

  • dhhill

    The core of Republican program is in support of a natural minority – the rich. In order to win elections in a democracy where there is ONE vote for each citizen the Republicans need attract voters who willingly vote against their own best interest. The only way you can get somebody to vote against their own best interests is to get them so panicked about trumped up issues that they cannot think clearly and instead vote to save themselves from some fabricated crisis. This has only become possible to do in the media since the repeal of the fairness doctrine in 1987 that used to hold media responsible for the content of their programs, needed to offer balanced reporting. Who was pushing for the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine and why? Hmmm. Who was in his second term in office at that time? The great communicator!

    If the Republicans are not to become another has been party like the Whig party in the 19th century they will need to reshape themselves as a party that has an appeal to a natural majority. They will need to find a basic weakness or fundamental flaw in the Democratic approach to political rule. Unfortunately for the Republicans we have one of the most perceptive and intelligent presidents in the past 150 years sitting in the White House. The Republicans will have to wait until the Democrats become too well ensconced in power and start abusing the political process before their opportunity to reinvent themselves will come up.

    • Bravo! Kudos! A++++++++! It does piss them off now, doesn’t it, to find out that the masses have minds of their own. My faith in humanity was restored on Nov. 6, 2012! I don’t care what they do, these Repubs. They need to dismantle themselves and start anew. And this business about capitalism is so far from the truth. REAL CAPITALISM doesn’t operate this way, but they are too ignorant, arrogant, and greedy to figure it out. Where is their base? In the fringe red states where most of their constituents are on the public dole but are missing a chromosome or two to have the elevator go up to the top floor. Please!!!

  • Michael Kollmorgen

    I don’t care if they take a plane, a boat, or a bottle of Pills, just as long as these conservatives are either dead or gone, from not only the US but the planet as a whole.

    Every single time conservatives show up, there is usually trouble. In the US, I consider them the American Taliban. In foreign countries they are Missionaries stirring up trouble over there.

    If they want to be so extreme, maybe they should join the real Taliban. That way, our military will do the job the rest of us can’t do legally.

    We should, at least here, contain them as much as possible. Hopefully, someday we can achieve a real national goal of putting these people back in Pandora’s Box once and for all.

    I’ll gladly throw the key away! In the mean time, WATCH YOUR BACK……….

  • LS

    Too bad Henry Hamilton didn’t take Trump with him. May his soul rest in peace – never to be troubled by Rush, O’Reilly, Hannity and Trump with his bleached monkey scalp. As for O’Reilly, he is just a sad old man still struggling for relevance in a profession he knows next to nothing about. Too bad he was not taught the proper use of the mic.

  • janjah

    America is not Mitt Romney’s property that he thainks he can just take because he has money. Well Mr. Romney money dose not, and can’t buy everything. You insulted votors, you look down on middle calss and you are not smart as some people thing you are. I listened to you and most your comments were stupid. You were all over the map. Did you leared about consistancy in school? Well maybe not. Tell your Republican rich friends, if you all continue on this path, you wiil not be in the White House any soon.

    • Romney is a sycophant and born with his nose in the air. Uses his dog as a weather vane GPS. The Mormon air. There was a person on these posts who was a Mormon and discussed the “Mormon Smirk”! Yes, and I knew what he meant. Remember at the second debate where he challenged the President about the remarks on Benghazi made in the Rose Garden? That was the tell-tale look, my friends. Snooty and snobby to channel Santorum. There’s another f–ed up soul.

  • Rest assured that they are not zealots who do believe in half the things they say. They don’t. They are showmen.

    That, however, is actually worse.

    The problem is not what they believe, but what they DON’T believe. They don’t believe any of their own B.S. because, to put it bluntly, they don’t believe in reality.

    This really is just a game for them, and the rules of the game are, as they interpret them, to out B.S. the left. They know they are talking B.S., but they don’t care because they have convinced themselves that everything coming from the left is B.S. too.

    They don’t buy into their own B.S. Instead, they tell themselves that that’s just the name of the game; that facts are flexible when they aren’t completely unnecessary and that their only obligation is to out-B.S. their opponents.

    They are, however, aware that their infotainment lunacy has consequences. They know this because they have been called out for it before, most notably after Gabriele Giffords was shot in the head. But even when lives were lost, they still kept playing the game.

    So no, the problem is not that these people are zealots who believe their own B.S. The problem is that these showmen love the game so much that even human lives being lost won’t dissuade them from playing it.

  • That’s a very sad story, about Henry Hamilton. It angers me that the news media has had the power to lead Americans around with their carrots of fear and untruths. And are continuing to do so, when we need to come together now as a nation and solve our problems.

  • The article says “Bobby Jindal spoke thoughtfully… about how conservatism must change…” I think that statement s a wrong! I have listened to Jindal, and many other Repubs comment on “change” and the future of the party. Trouble is, what I have heard is not how they need to change, its how they need to stop talking about things like “the 47%” and how the president won the election by promising “gifts” to the poor, and minorities, and taking away the rights of women.

    That is not “CHANGE” that is simply recommending that Repubs not talk about the issues that cost them the election. They will still believe in those things, they will still support those things, and if elected, the will mandate those restrictive, un-American policies.

    Not TALKING about things is not change. Its simply covering up and keeping your agenda quiet!

  • Bill O`Reilly and his buddies can not take it. That is common when a bunch of ignorant get together. sorry about that

  • jimlscotland

    The Republican pundits are intellectually lazy or, maybe, just lazy. They have 2-3 talking points (their philosophy) that they hammer on their shows day by day, sometimes augmented by another talking point stolen from some other Republican pundit on the issue of the day. No thought or nuance is put into their blather – they copy a lot. The most destructive talking point they have is “protect the wealthy at all cost, and screw all others, no matter how needy”. They believe that this is patriotic and if you think otherwise it is unAmerican (remember the clapping in the Republican primaries).

    The pundits also get millions of dollars yearly for what they do (Limbaugh $50,000,000?). It is diffult to know whether it is just their schtick or they actually believe the nonsense they are spreading. In any case, their rantings are very destructive to the democratic process because they have great access to the general public and lots of unthinking people who will often vote against their own interests. R.I.P Henry Hamilton.

  • Ed

    It is all about money. They have gotten rich feeding the hate.

  • blueskies13

    Thank you, Leonard! I’ve never heard anyone put it as accurately or as succinctly. The zealots are truly hateful people. Their utopia is one in which minorities and women “know their place”, the rich get richer, climate change is a liberal conspiracy to impede corporate profits, and the world is run by greedy old white men. I marvel at the fact that they align themselves with scum like Ted Nugent, the one-hit wonder, who uses the “n” word when he speaks publicly. For my money you can stuff them all in a rocket ship and fire it into space. This planet would be a far more pleasant place to live.

    • Yeah. By the way, whatever happened to that A-hole Nugent who said something like he would be in prison if Obama got elected. He’s a (excuse me) shit bag!

  • The dying words of my grandfather’s business partner were: “I just wish that that G-D S-O-B Franklin D. Roosevelt was in my shoes”.

    So you see, all this Obama bashing is really nothing new.

  • JackieAllen

    I certainly believe that Mr. Hamilton should be considered a myrter–that he should not
    have died in vain. This act of heroism should never be taken as a simple mistake, an overdose. HEAVENS!!! This is why I’m considering a petition of my own, urging the afore
    mentioned of his ilk, to do the only honorable thing left to do, by falling on their swords. The individuals mentioned by Mr. Pitts have surely had their day “in the sun”. Their suns
    have been setting for a long time–too long. Of course, a temporary change in the 1st ammendment might become necessary, or a statute of limitations. Perhaps a contract of
    some sort, stating that there is only so much “bull” the law will allow. Perhaps a good
    engineer could build the world’s first Stupid Meter, accurately measuring the actual amount
    of stupidity as a mental malfunction. Oh, the blessed silence on the airways!

  • howa4x

    They pundits don’t realize it but they have been pounding Obama with everything they have for the last 4 yrs, and he still won. What this shows is that the audience is shrinking and they are not getting many young people to listen. They still have an older white demographic. Limbaugh calling a college student a slut because she wants acess to contraception would mean a dismissal on any station that had to appeal to a mass of people, but Limbaugh has a set group of angry whites, so he was seen as a hero on the right, but at the same time he alienated millions of young women, who now recoil at the mention of his name. Fox and Friends the other day tried to downplay Super storm Sandy’s destruction as a cause in the temporary spike in the unemployment claims, actually laughing about it. Do they think that people who have had their lives destroyed won’t hear that as incredible insensitivity. The right wing exisits in a bubble with an echo chamber, but events are changing our world every day and they stick to the same script. Fox has been shreeking about Obama care as the socialist take over of health care, but to most voters it wasn’t an issue. They have a declining population that is actively listening. They will always be very popular in the red states but the wealth of the country is in the blue ones, where they have less and less impact. Just the mere mention of Trump being in a Macy’s add caused over 600,000 people to contact the retailer to say they wouldn’t shop there anymore. Most were blue staters and Macy’s is mostly located there not in the red states. Do you think any retailer going into Christmas wants to hear that over 1/2 million aren’t comming to spend any money? Clear channels tactic of buying progressive radio stations and giving them Beck instead will only cause those listeners to stop, and when advertisers realize that the listening base is gone they will follow. You can’t make people listen to this stuff. Do you think anyone with a brain is going to listen to Palin? Or gov Huckabee say he wasn’t decended from an ape? Oh Really! Radio isn’t even the principal organ for news, the intrenet is and fact checking is easy. All this dosen’t bode well for the harbringers of hate.

  • Maybe they’ll all climb voluntarily upon the gallows, put a bag over their heads, & allow Harry Reid to do the honors of flipping the lever.

  • Melvin Chatman

    It’s all about the $$$$$$$$$s!

  • O’Reilly is a failed sports reporter. Why would anyone even tune him in?

  • I pondered this sad story of a victim of his own willingness to be bamboozled. However upon further reflection I must conclude that it wasn’t Obama or the economic downturn that was the source of Hamilton’s stress. He was losing his ass because he had a poor business plan.
    Come on…. a tanning salon in Key West… Really???? Maybe an cold storage facility in Antarctica was his next venture.

  • Mimi2kool

    What the extreme right wing of the Republican party has done regarding President Obama is nothing less than hate speech. Hate speech causes extreme reactions, as in this unfortunate man’s suicide. The right wingers have a great deal to answer for because of their ignorant and bigoted statements. I do not believe that the hostility they display toward Obama would be as great if he were white. He has not done anything as bone-headed as GWB did during his 8 long years in office.