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Tuesday, August 22, 2017

Fire Robert Mueller.

That is the doomsday scenario formulated by some of the president’s most extreme backers, who are obviously terrified by the potential findings of the special counsel’s investigation of illicit connections between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign.

Last Saturday evening, Ann Coulter — whose interpretation of reality is always suspect — fired off an especially loony tweet: “Now that we FINALLY got Comey to admit Trump not under investigation, Sessions should fire Mueller. Why do we need a special counsel now?” The former FBI director admitted only that Trump himself was not formerly under investigation, of course — and the special counsel’s purpose is not only to investigate the president but also his 2016 campaign, including the conduct of his aides, as well as the broader issue of Russian interference in the American electoral process. Still other voices on the far right have chimed in to suggest that Trump should dismiss Mueller — including Newt Gingrich, who only last month praised his appointment.

With its echoes of Richard Nixon’s infamous “Saturday Night Massacre” during Watergate, firing Mueller sounds like an insane, almost suicidal proposition. And yet when asked by George Stephanopoulos on ABC News’ This Week whether the president would promise not to interfere with the special counsel probe, his lawyer Jay Sekulow offered no such guarantee — feeding speculation about what Trump might do.

But should Trump and his minions decide that Mueller must go before he has a chance to indict one of them, they will confront a major legal obstacle. Federal law clearly and specifically prohibits anyone, including the president, from dismissing a duly appointed special counsel, except the attorney general. And because Attorney General Jeff Sessions is recused from the Russia case, he can’t fire Mueller any more than the president can. That leaves deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Mueller in the first place. He seems unlikely to carry out such a travesty of justice, only to go down in historical disgrace as Trump’s Robert Bork.

Perhaps Trump will fire Sessions and then pardon him, in order to appoint a new attorney general who would then fire Mueller at the president’s command. That plan is unlikely to impress a majority of the Senate, which would have to confirm a replacement for Sessions.

Yet the fact that Coulter, Gingrich, and other “conservatives” would contemplate this scheme tells us more about them than whether Trump could get away with such blatant corruption and lawlessness. If the president is listening to them, he will only hasten his own political demise.

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62 Responses to Fire Robert Mueller? Why That Trump Doomsday Scenario Won’t Work

  1. The Author rests his reliance on the Republicans in Congress who won’t approve a new AG appointed to fire Mueller.

    The Author is much more confident that I in the Republicans.

    Who says Jefferson Beauregard can’t fire Mueller? We’ve seen what little the recusal means so far.

    • Regardless of what Trump or his wannabe authoritarians do or try to do, the Republican Congress will continue to trot out irrational mouthpieces to spin gold from poison ivy. When you listen to these shameless toadies speak, their ignorance of the obvious is amazing. Comey “leaked” his personal memos, but to hear the Trump protectors talk, you’d think that Comey is on about the same level as Daniel Ellsberg, Edward Snowden, and Chelsea Manning, who leaked classified material. Instead of previously being universally praised as a straight shooter, Comey’s now painted as a coward for not telling the President of the United States to jump in the lake. And Comey’s statement that Trump was not, at the time, under investigation has now morphed into a blanket permanent vindication of Trump in relation to collusion with the Russians. And, on one hand, Comey is praised for telling the truth about Trump’s innocence and, on the other hand, condemned for lying about Trump’s direction to Comey to end the Russia investigation, both having been revealed in the same testimony. Well, if Comey lies half of the time, that’s way better than Trump, who lies all of the time. How does it feel to defend someone who you know doesn’t have a clue about whether he’s lying or telling the truth?

      • I find it interesting that the RW has a very black and white view of people. If you’re for him everything he does is great. If you’re against him everything he does is wrong. There’s no allowance for having icons make errors. Outside the RW sphere; I’ve only seen that the the most diehard Obamabots.

    • Session is due to testify …or not…today. You have to admit Trump and the Republicans are so guilty of a cover up that they either refuse to testify or they look for ways to deflect their guilt on others. Are these grown men or big babies?

      • Indeed Ms. E,

        But my point is that Mr. Conason is far too certain that Trump can’t fire Mueller. Time and time again we’ve seen Trump do stuff he “can’t” do. He gets away with it.

        So Trump’s in a cover-up. So what? Until enough voters start to hold him accountable, it doesn’t matter.

        Montana’s new Representative assaulted a British Reporter and still won. If voters don’t reject that behavior, it doesn’t matter.

        • I realize by now this is prologue but Rosenstein has stated he will not fire Mueller even if Trump demands it. The ramifications of Trump firing Mueller at this juncture would mean the same kind of 18 month long protests outside the White House and in the streets. This is one Trump can’t win by removing Mueller and if he fires Rosenstein, he’d have to prove just cause. In light of the excuses he made for firing Comey, Trump would end up with a SC case for wrong firing of a federal government Civil Servant.

          Trump only got away with it for so long because until he “took” office, he paid his way out of his illegalities. We’ve seen enough of that in the Metro area for decades.

          The government is learning a lesson on that though. When you allow White Collar criminals to pay their way out of trouble, the government may pick up billions in these fines but they do not deter white collar criminals from going right back to doing “business as usual.”

          I don’t agree about voters. The popular vote meant squat in 2016. But, the reality is that no one is looking at “how” Trump managed to win the Electoral College to get him into the White House. If he and the Republicans used hackers to “win” in 2016, who needs voters or elections? Hacking would do the trick nicely to keep Republicans in the majority forever if they don’t cause a Civil War first.

          • The depth and success of the hacking are more than I know. If the Russians can indeed alter the results of our voting booths; we are well and truly hosed.

            If the hacking is linited to publishing various emails and paying trolls to push the “scandal”; then voting does offer our solution.

            As I’ve discussed with Aaron, we live in the United States. States do have a role to play in elections. Hillary simply didn’t win enough States. Two between the Appalachias and the Rockies. Arguments for abolishing the EC work equally well in abolishing the Senate. I don’t know anyone going that far.

            My point was and is that the Republicans simply aren’t going to hold Trump accountable. In fact I’ll bet now, if Mueller gets indictments of anyone close to Trump. Trump will use his Presidential Pardon to void the indictment.

            You and too many others still see Trump as tied into “the system”. He’s not. He’s got no respect for precedent. He’s got no respect for decorum. He’s got no respect for image.

            He will do anything he chooses unless or until he is physically prevented. He has no restraints.

            Be prepared.

          • From what has been divulged about “how” the Russians hacked into the 2016 election, it wasn’t just about setting up sites like “I love Bernie” which the CIA and FBI stated was paid for by Putin.

            Hillary won 3 million MORE popular votes than Trump. Anyone can rig the Electoral College. They don’t vote by voting machines. They vote only by paper ballot. They are also only appointed by state legislators.

            How many times have paper ballots been proven to be invalid? Remember the “hanging chads?” The lost college student ballots in 2004?

            And if you are trying to make the case that a state legislator wouldn’t appoint ONLY the electors he/she can influence to vote for the legislators party, please don’t bother.

            It didn’t help that Sanders took the $10 million Hillary donated to his campaign and then like a rattle snake turned on her.

            What the hell was he doing running as a Dem anyway? He said numerous times, “I am NOT a Democrat.” Good. Stay the hell on your independent ticket and stop using the Dems to feather your nest, Sanders. He ONLY ran in 2016 because a woman was running. He could have run against Bush in 200 and 2004 or Obama in 2008 or 2012. Mature minds know you make a solid comittment to one party or the other. You don’t straddle 2 parties like Sanders does.

            No election is won when you have Republicans like McConnell leaving the Senate meeting where he was advised of the Russian hacking and saying, “We will let things take their course.” I heard it and saw it.

            This never was about Hillary. It was about the Republicans putting a sleeper in the White House like Trump through Putin money. Already the CIA and FBI are investigating Trump’s connection to Deutschebank. As for Sanders, it is a well known fact here in the Metro area that his rabid Crown Heights Brooklyn enclave are 90% Russian immmigrants most of whom have Wall Street jobs.

            You can find the specific evidence of the precise 39 voting districts in the midwest that the Russians tried to change votes. Read and weep. http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/russia-may-have-hacked-elections-systems-in-39-stateshttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/russian-hacking-prompted-obama-officials-emergency-call-article-1.3244245.

            Then, there is the testimony that confirms the Russian hacking by Comey under sworn oath. What’s with the “maybe?”

          • Bork was not the first person in line when it came time for Nixon to do a little firing. Rosenstein may stick to his guns, but will his replacement?

          • No president is EVER above the law. If he fires Rosenstein and replaces him, he better have a damn good reason for the firing. Trump is acting as if he is above the laws of the Constitution. NO. He is not. Trump won’t fire Rosenstein because the only reason we all know he has is to put an end to investigations of him. HE is his own worst enemy. Always has been, always will be. He thinks the executive branch is a corporate executive board that answers to no one. His attempts at taking over government by trying to silence criminal investigations against him are anything BUT a witch hunt. So he can keep right on trying desperately to deteriorate the investigations. But the minute he allows the Russian hackers to go unpunished, he can be held for treason.

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    • That is precisely what 3 of the most famous and prestigious US lawyers have stated publicly. Now, it is more than obvious Trump is hiding …a whole lot. Why else go to such extremes to stop an investigation?

      • Simply because you MIGHT have the legal right to do a thing does not necessarily make it the right thing to do — a fundamental truism that is completely foreign to Trump and his support base.

          • If the charges are “phony”, then Donnie has nothing to fear from Mueller’s investigation.
            The fact that Trump has directed his media lackeys (Gingrich, FOX & Friends, among others) to call for an end to the investigation speaks volumes about his dread that Mueller’s findings might implicate him and his staff to an even greater extent.

          • The FBI and intelligence services closely surveilled all communications between Russians and Trump people for more than a year. The fact there is no evidence at this point indicates the endless investigation is a contrived witch hunt.

            The President has the constitutional authority to shut down all activity in the Depratment of Justice on this matter.

            Then the Republican controlled Congress can do its will.

          • Hugh, you’re just making an ass of yourself. Stop for a moment, and reflect on your recent posts alone, and you’ll see the diseased rigidly partisan pattern you’re in.
            No objectivity in your posts—just pure and excitedly brown-nosing of Trump’s enormous backside.

          • Well Hugh, we don’t know if the charges are “phony” or not until there is an investigation. Every criminal professes innocence, Trump is no different.

          • Hugh, you need to take a nap—preferably for another 4 years at least. Or, at least stop the drinking of so much alcohol. And learn to think for yourself rather than rely on CATO, or other lunatic misinformation sites. Are you a closet FOX-oholic??

      • Perhaps, but as it was for Bush with Weinberger it amounts to an admission of guilt by Trump. (Worth noting that Bush I was not re-elected, the only one of the last five to serve only one term). Of course that may not matter. Trump admitted during the first GOP “debate” that he has routinely bribed government officials and received favors in return. That barely raised any eyebrows and no politicians on the stage with him objected to his implication of them all as corrupt. (Actually one of the few true and accurate statements he has made).

        • Leftists like the word “tolerance”, even though they obsess with the execution or decapitation of the President.

          Leftists like the word “science”, even though their education in the field ended with high school biology.

      • Of course he has the authority, no one is arguing that. It would be just about the worst move he could make, but he can do it.

  2. You know Trump is at the end of his rope. How? Well for one thing, he believes his too much in his almighty power. Now, he is at Scene II of the same place in history as Nixon was when he fired Archibald Cox and Elliot Richardson replaced Cox and then forced Nixon’s resignation.

    Few remember Richardson as an AG from MA who served in Nixon’s cabinet. But most who do remember Richardson, who died in 2000, as the man who did what he believed was right: He demanded the Nixon tapes and a special prosecutor.

    It’s easy to see the pattern Trump is following with this threat to fire Robert Mueller. He may have the power to do that through Acting AG Rosenstein but that would force Rosenstein’s hand like it forced Richardson’s. Rosenstein would either have to publicly refuse to fire Mueller or resign. Trump already knows what that would mean.

    So, what this threat comes to down to is what all Trump threats and intimidation do: Big talk, thoughtless action.

    3 months ago, Trump was considering Mueller to replace Comey. Now, Trump and his mobster Republicans are saying Mueller is link to Dems thanks to that slug from Georgia, Newt the Brute Gingrich claiming the team Mueller put together donated money to the Dem Party as is their right as voters.

    Funny isn’t it? Picking gnatshit out of a haystack by Trump who has more than a few hints of being tied to the Russians but then HE goes looking for any straw to grab onto for another Tweet storm. Not unlike Nixon who did the same as we all remember.

    • Another thing about Mueller is, he’ll leave no rock unturned. Even if there is no there there (highly unlikely) on the Russian investigation , if he finds criminal activity in other areas in the course of the investigation, he won’t let that pass. Right now the right has no idea what other nefarious activities trump or his entire band of miscreants has ongoing so they can’t even plan for them. The lies will be flying, then the revised lie, etc.
      Makes me want to laugh and laugh.
      “What doesn’t come out in the wash, will come out in the rinse.”

  3. Trump will do anything he wants to and congress will back him up. The voters might wake up but I wouldn’t count on it.

    • Ida, did you catch the July 19, 2017 issue of Time magazine’s coverage of Trump International Hotel in DC? If this is NOT conflict of interest, I can’t imagine what more is needed.

      A few of the “profits” Trump Organization gets from this hotel, want a 90 minute massage by Iskanka Trump? $460. Want gin and tonic cocktail? $100. A salt-aged Kansas City strip steak? $59. Not to mention this is the only DC restaurant where Trump dines, knowing his presence there increases profits by just allowing guests the sight of a US president eating din din.

      Trump is committing more conflict of interest using his presidency as a means of earning higher profits for his business. Don’t wonder why 2 US judges are suing Trump Organization for violations to emoluments laws.

      • I did. Since the internet and cable cannot be trusted with the news anymore, I subscribe to Time and Newsweek. One of the biggest threats to democracy is what is happening in journalism or lack thereof. I read two books about trump/ He has always gotten by with his nefarious behavior and I will noit be surprised if he doesn’t get by again.

    • In a way, it’s good. Because their careers will be a bad memory too.
      Those who shouldn’t just leave and head for a retirement home (McCain) will be working for Fox.

    • At least not until his repeals of such programs like the ACA strips them of their healthcare. They’ll eventually wake up to the fact he screwed them over but by then it’ll be too late. In other words once the bell has rung you can’t unring it again

  4. Maybe the jackals mentioned are looking to hasten trump’s demise and hoping he’ll think yeah, that the ticket.
    I’m more concerned about those who need to go down with him, being offered immunity. I don’t want to see the American Taliban aka Pence as next in line.

    • It doesn’t quite work that way. Pence openly admitted to being the Trump campaign “advisor.” That means he and any of the Republicans who knew about the Russian hackers and did nothing or said nothing, are complicit.

      McConnell is most likely to go down. He was the one in September who exited a Senate meeting and was asked what the GOP Majority intended to do about the suspected hacking, “We will let things take their course.”

      With the Republicans and Trump, you need a course in double speak to understand their statements.

          • Well put. It was a ridiculous troll-like response. But, if anyone thinks anyone is going to jail, then it probably is an insightful post that they need to see. Or are we all still waiting for the Karl Rove Frogmarch Parade?

        • When:
          – Serious people in serious congressional investigations refuse to answer multiple questions with the phrase: “I can’t discuss that in an open session.”
          – And your AG has lied to Congress, and lied on his security clearance form and recused HIMSELF for those lies.
          – And your NSA lasts a month before being fired for “lying about Russia” whilst on the payroll of Turkey and also lied on his security clearance form.
          – And your campaign manager was on the payroll of Russian oligarchs and is now under investigation.
          – And your son-in-law met with the head of Putin’s favorite bank while it was under American sanctions.
          – And you never say One. Bad. Thing. about Putin. Ever. But freely criticize our allies.
          – And you won’t release your tax returns to prove you aren’t in the Kremlin’s pocket.
          – And your own White House staff are literally going out and employing lawyers in self-protection.
          – And your ex-NSA is now pleading the fifth… something he literally said on camera and at political rallies: “…means you’re guilty.”

          … you can be absolutely certain that a number of people are “going down”.

          The only remaining question is: Will Trump be one of them?

          Since he’s a bully control freak… and he’s in charge… I suspect the only logical answer is: Yes.

          Oh… and posting a stupid throwaway comment pretending this isn’t happening, and “no-one is going down” paints you as ignorant, or Astroturfing, therefore I’m going to assume that the “five” in your name refers to either your IQ, or your hourly rate.

          Only the most stupid, or the well paid, (or spineless in Ryan’s case) can’t see the tornado of sh!t swirling round, centered on President Snowflake.
          It’s all going to fall at some point… the only remaining question is, as I said above:
          Who gets covered in it?

          • Dear Johnny five, with the “five” indicating your mental and emotional age.
            Let’s consider your status:
            a) You’re either a Russian troll working for Putin, trying to do God knows what, and foolishly think your impotent posts will persuade anyone. If you think you’re able to influence anyone, you’re just flattering yourself. Tell Putin to improve your disinformation strategy—it ain’t working, homey.
            b) Or, you’re just a garden variety Fox wind-up toy, with nothing ever important and insightful to say. As such, you’re wasting valuable time and bandwidth, just playing with your navel.

            What defines “losing” in your fantasy world where ignorance is seen as bliss. Winning a political election is nothing worthwhile to write home about. In politics, one may appear to have won on paper, but when it comes to guiding the country in the right direction, you’re a loser if you insist on supporting policies that will harm the country and the world.

  5. Anne Coulter, yeah, I think your kool aid was spiked with LSD.
    And as I have stated since last year trust noting from Trump. His appointments were terrible for the most part. His ties to illegal operations, be they financial or political, were evident.
    And the GOP was recorded in stating that they thought Trump was being paid by Russia, and Ryan told them to shut that thinking down, say nothing. Well that is both obstructing justice and aiding and abetting a crime if there is a crime.

    • which would make Ryan equally guilty under the provisions of 21 USC 846…”CONSPIRACY!” Those whose knee-jerk reaction is to say “conspiracy theory,” as though speaking of some fantasy with no teeth, should take some time to read this statute and the associated case law. Conspiracy is real…ask anyone who is in federal prison… some 80% are convicted on conspiracy charges.

  6. Stop chasing President Trump. The world is laughing with you. Respect your president. He was chosen by your democratic system. Mueller is a waste of time and money. Get on wth more pertinent issues, the world is watching you.

    • Respect a Groper? Only you would respect a liar, a racist, and a serial groper. Why, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were to invite Trump over to fondle the women in your family, that’s what “Respect” means to you. SO SAD!!!
      As for chosen by a democratic process, I don’t see how Putin’s interference and influence is part of the “democratic” process—do you??

    • “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
      ― Theodore Roosevelt

      Go f**k yourself.

  7. This “investigation” is going a lot deeper than a crooked election…I distinctly recall watching the stock of TrumpCasinos/Resorts go down the toilet in the aftermath of 911… something like $0.05/share. At the time, Trump was paying 14% interest on some $400 million of junk bonds. Since revenue came to a sudden stop {thanks to Mr. Osama Bin Laden and his boys}, Trump could not service his debt, and he began whining about how he should be allowed to restructure…. Long story-short. After filing for bankruptcy for the 4th time in less than 20 years…nobody in their right mind would lend Trump a dime… certainly no bank would. Solution? Some Japanese businessmen took over, leaving Trump a 25% stake for the use of his name brand, since the Japanese had some discretionary capital on hand. But the real solution came from Russia, the oligarchs and banks now under U.S. imposed sanctions. Trump is committing a crime or crimes by continuing to do business with these sanctioned banks and Vladimir Putin, who received a huge windfall when he imprisoned Mikhael Khordokovsky…taking all of his assets. Putin could then afford to back Trump…Trump doesn’t want this story to get out. This is why he behaves so cagey. Title 21 USC 846 easily places Trump at the heart of a conspiracy, and more likely 18 USC 1961 et seq is the right approach, as I am certain more than two felony instances have occurred within the last 10 years…taking into account all of Trump’s associates. Money laundering is also punishable under the Patriot Act…and carries a life sentence. Those who steadfastly defend Trump have no idea what’s going on…

  8. Was Trump Cabinet’s Loyalty Ritual Funny — Or Scary? all and anything that comes with THE DONNY DUMP CLOWN SHOW is very scary ! the ones that find the FOOL funny are also the ones in the world feeling sorry for the USA as thy laugh at the DUMPSTER joke clown

  9. he wasn’t too bright for no body but the DUMPSTER at the time . and that Sessions lying clown back in the day with COMEY he said he did a good and right job . but now he is saying it was wrong what COMEY did to Hillary now he is right back before he was wrong brown nosing the DUMPSTER like a loyal brain washed slave during the election the DUMPSTER set the stage with all the Hillary BULLSHIfT all the time of his nasty sexist bull was going on . his BRAIN DEAD DUMPSTER followers didn’t care about his evil nasty doings just go’s to show how wacked out thy are . pretty much just as wacked out as DONNY DUMP is . with the COMEY Hillary BULLSHIfT the DUMPSTER at the end after he fires COMEY says thanks sucker . Sessions was asked and said no the DUMPSTER didn’t tell me not to say things while being question but the ones in office . he said im not going to answer the question because im protecting the DUMPSTER . WHY SESSIONS is the DUMPSTER that stupid he cant protect himself ? Sessions you feel that DONNY DUMP is too IGNORANT & INCOMPETENT to defend himself ? for you to make DONNY DUMP look and have people feel this way about him could very well put you of his next to fire list .

  10. Sessions smiles & seems to be laughing all the time when he is being question . its all a joke to that lying clown . DONNY DUMP said on tape that his Russia problem and investigation would be better off if COMEY was fired . so he fired him . so save his ignorant butt . funny how the DUMPSTER can say and tell Russia on TV to hack Hillary’s emails and his B/F PUTTHEAD dose and its all ok . what are these people in the country doing to America these days ? being a brain dead DUMPSTER flowers is not what help’s the country at all . this is the DUMPSTER’S playbook any one that gets things done for the clown he gets rid of . the COMEY clown pretty much on his own gave the DUMPSTER the white house . first he was out of line and contradicted his self by talking about on going investigation . never mind giving his opinion about Hillary that was not his place to say and what he said loss Hillary the white house (so in hind-sight he made all the problems he has today himself ) wasn’t his place or job to do what he did . and the contradiction of him as to what he and the FBI did and dose

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