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Tuesday, October 25, 2016

As soon as Donald Trump brayed that John McCain is “not a war hero” and went on to mock his suffering in North Vietnamese captivity, the righteous reaction of Republicans was entirely predictable. Nearly every would-be presidential candidate in the GOP, humiliated and worried by Trump’s sudden rise in the polls, immediately sought to wrap the loud-mouthed celebrity’s gaffe around his neck. No doubt some of them, like Senator Lindsey Graham, a close friend of his Arizona colleague, were truly incensed by Trump’s slur. But either way, the incident presented an irresistible opportunity to stoke public indignation against an opponent whose taunting has become unbearable, even as his rise appears inexorable.

Whether this episode will cost Trump the admiration of the Tea Party horde remains uncertain. Many of them already dislike McCain and may hear Trump’s insults as brutal candor.  Yet in denigrating a war hero to advance himself, the casino mogul did nothing more or less than what other “conservatives” have done for political expediency in elections past. Nobody should be shocked to hear a right-wing chicken-hawk disparaging a worthy veteran at this late date. In the Republican Party, it is standard operating procedure — and for any Republican to pretend otherwise now is risibly hypocritical.

Need we recall every example of this profoundly distasteful and unpatriotic conduct? One of the most poisonous occurred in 2002, when a Georgia Republican named Saxby Chambliss ran ads suggesting that Senator Max Cleland, a Vietnam War hero who had lost both legs and one arm in an accidental grenade explosion, lacked the guts to face down Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Cleland, a Democrat who had served in the Veterans Administration under President Carter, had cast a vote protecting the rights of civil service workers in the new Department of Homeland Security, thus earning him a smear at the hands of Chambliss — one of those smooth favorite sons who had nimbly avoided the Vietnam draft.

When Cleland spoke up against President George W. Bush two years later, Ann Coulter sniped at him with an even nastier shot:

“Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam,” she wrote, describing his misfortune as “an accident during a routine non-combat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman …. Luckily for Cleland’s political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam.” Ugly and appalling, even from her reliably foul mouth — and replete with lying insinuation. Although he lost his limbs in an accident — when a young infantryman dropped a live grenade that Cleland picked up — he is an authentic war hero who won a Silver Star for “exceptionally valorous action” at the Battle of Khe Sanh.

According to the official citation:

When the battalion command post came under a heavy enemy rocket and mortar attack, Capt. Cleland, disregarding his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as he left his covered position to administer first aid to his wounded comrades. He then assisted in moving the injured personnel to covered positions. Continuing to expose himself, Capt. Cleland organized his men into a work party to repair the battalion communications equipment which had been damaged by enemy fire. His gallant action is in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.

That action took place four days before the accident that maimed Cleland and sent him into years of depression from which he emerged, with great courage, to lead a life of service to his fellow veterans and his country. He possesses a kind of nobility and grace that the likes of Coulter and Chambliss could not even comprehend.

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    Trump is correct….McCain got hit by a SAM because he was flying his A-6 in a sector that was not part of the attack plan. Hot shot McCain tended to do things his way a lot, except this time he got caught. On October 17, 1967, this writer was there on North SAR.

    Rescue from our ship’s Huey 2 was not possible due to heavy concentration of ground troops close to him. Plus they had an empty cell in the Hanoi Hilton ready for him.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Be careful when “Trump is correct.” He is a notorious tyrant he just like McCain tends to do things his way a lot…a whole lot.

      Criticizing anyone who enlisted in the war during Viet Nam when a schmuck like Trump hid away under Daddy Fred’s multi-billion dollar real estate business only shows that Trump has a big mouth and not much else in the way of integrity.

      • ExPAVIC

        Trump is Correct

        Read my item above….McCain screwed up a mission and got caught. I was there 10/17/1967 North SAR, Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Rolling Thunder.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          Trump never served a day in the military. He gets NO respect from me and doesn’t get to judge those who did serve, however technical their errors may be.

          Trump is a big mouth who presents himself as the Knows all and Sees All when he is a pantywaist ready to pass judgment on everyone but himself. The man has NO sense of humility.

      • oldtack

        Trump is part of that 97% of our citizens that prefer to sit home while 3% of us serve in the military and defend this Country. He joins the likes of Clinton, Bush, Cheney and a plethora of others that sought any type of deferment and and would have died from bowel disorders by extremely shitting their pants at the thought of combat. They preferred to sit at home with the 97% while we 3% gave our oath to defend our Country even to death if necessary

        . Where were you?

    • oldtack

      I have a close friend that was at Pensacola in the same group as McCain. His assessment – If John McCain had not been the son of a Full Admiral he would have been washed out. He was arrogant, insubordinate and slack in his training.He rated at the bottom and should never have been given his wings. He was shot down because he hot dogged it into a sector that was not a part of the attack plan. He failed to follow orders.
      Due to his own failings he was shot down and taken prisoner and was imprisoned at Hanoi Hilton for over five years where he was harassed and beaten. BUT many many more Servicemen were also imprisoned here for five years and received the same debasing treatment..

      These Servicemen were also released from Hanoi Hilton and returned home to heal their “wounds” and resume their lives. They locked this ordeal inside and pursued their life. But not John McCain. He wore this like a bloody patch on his chest to elicit sympathy and VOTES and 48 years after the incident he is till milking it for all it is worth.

      I commend John McCain for his Service to our Country and I know that he – and any Serviceman that was a Prisoner suffered at the hands of the enemy. But that does not make him a Hero. The Civilian populace vastly overuses this term Hero. Each and everyone of us that raised our right hand and took the oath to defend this Country placed our lives in the hands of the Military . We pledged our all. Or, in the words of an old Marine DI “You are warm bodies and open minds to be done with whatever is deemed necessary to achieve an objective or complete an assignment”. Many thousands of men and women sacrificed their lives in battle to achieve the ultimate goal. They are to be held in esteem and honored in memory. But- Heros? I doubt many would acclaim themselves as such. They fulfilled that oath they took when they raised their right hand.- in that respect they all are heroes. They are part of that 3% that that donned the uniforms and fought for this Country

      . Where were you other 97%?

      • The lucky one

        If I thought going to Vietnam was “fighting for my country” I would have gone. I don’t believe it was so I didn’t go. Otherwise I agree with your post.

        • ExPAVIC

          Lucky One

          The Vietnam War was an ill conceived mess based on lies and misinformation. The fact that it lasted so long and cost so many lives and dollars is probably the blackest mark in our country’s history.

        • oldtack

          I laud those who fought there and revere those that died. But – the further that war dragged on I began to feel that it was solely political. When I go to the Vietnam Memorial and see that list of 58,000 + names I wonder – did they die for our Country – or were they just “cannon fodder” for political aims?

          • Sand_Cat

            They were the casualties of the fact that neither our “leaders” nor our citizens wanted to “lose.” “Peace with Honor” meant peace without admitting or paying the price for being wrong, for killing millions of Vietnamese, treating our own troops like disposable trash, and ultimately achieving an obscene parody of what was claimed: “freedom” and “democracy.”

          • The lucky one

            I think that many believed they were fighting for their country, although many were also there because they saw no viable alternative for themselves. I think certain rich oligarchs who control our government saw them as “cannon fodder” for political aims just as our government has in nearly all our wars.
            I have no reservation in my respect for those who fought in Nam because it was much harder at the onset to see the government duplicity behind that conflict. But I have only sympathy for those who fight in the Middle East. They should know better than to think that Iraq had anything to do with our security or helping the Iraqis living under a brutal dictator.

      • Karen Bille-Golden

        The words of your DI say it all. I agree with your post, but question ” the objectives and assignments” given to our young people in light of today’s world. There are lessons we should have learned by now about the true purpose of our military which is to defend our country, not sacrifice our young in a game of corporate greed.

        • oldtack

          I feel that our Military has lost it’s way on guidance, objectives and assignments. Perhaps it is because our Military has been taken over by the same politicians that or entrusted with running our Country rather than ruining our Country.

      • ExPAVIC

        Bravo Zulu

        Oldtack, you got it right and detailed too.

      • Polana

        Right on. U got it buddy.

  • FireBaron

    Let’s look at something else – the GOP has repeatedly been trying to cut the VA’s budget year after year, then blame the VA for its inability to provide health and psychiatric care for returning vets. This can actually be dated back to when Tom DeLay (another deferment baby) ran Denny Hastert (who pretended to be Speaker of the House). When the then House Chairman of the Veterans Affairs committee complained about the reduction in funding, DeLay was reported to have told him to be happy with what he was getting because veterans get too much anyway!
    So, the GOP is first in line when it comes to sending our men and women into harm’s way, but the last in line when it comes to keeping the promises made to entice them into service.

    • ExPAVIC

      Right On

      Correct on all points….also read below.

    • TZToronto

      My late father is still waiting for the new car he was promised when he returned from WWII.

  • greenlantern1

    Remember the Walter Reed scandal?
    Who was president?
    Who was Secretary of the VA?
    The ONLY president, to order our troops to fire upon our vets, was Herbert Hoover!
    Ever read about the BONUS MARCH?
    The ONLY, jailed, Secretary of the Veteran’s Bureau was Charles Forbes!
    Since when did Trump EVER care about our vets?

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Most of us in the northeast also remember the Texification Regime where 11 northeast military bases in the states most vulnerable to attack were closed and reopened in Big Rich Texas, That Whole Other Country and Wyoming. What the hell terrorist even knows where TX or WY are located in the US?

      Meanwhile, now all of those tax subsidies that paid for the upkeep of the 11 military bases are flushing flushing flushing to TX, AZ and WY.

  • FT66

    What is thrown up, always falls down and when it does, it hits hard and most likely straight on the head. They did it to John Kerry in 2004, now it is their turn to hit one of theirs – John McCain.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    In a way, we should all be in gales of laughter at the GOP idiots today. First, their states are the biggest purveryors of war for profit. So, they get their insiders in the CIA to instigate trouble in foreign countries that end up with the US military having to fight the GOP insider battles offshore.

    Then, these vets come home barely alive and these jerks of the GOP want to pretend they are NOT the cause of massive costs of vet care? Yeah…that’ll work.

    One more nail in the red state coffins…they love the flush of war for profit funding the rest of us are paying for through our taxes…but let these dipshits have to pay for the decisions they make and they go ballistic. Love that War for Profit, right GOP? Just hate it when you have to pay the piper…Life’s a bitch …and then the GOP dies.

  • jamesowens

    I work in a va hospital and interview 100sof vets a week. every time I meet a vet who was on the swift boats or any river rats from the viet nam era I ask them if they have ever heard of the swift boat society. after 1000s asked only 1 had heard of it and that was in relation to john Kerry.. that group was fictitious and made up to discredit him much like the unit in the movie “WAG THE DOG” . the GOP will go to all ends of lies to discredit their opponents,,when they have no substance themselves they have to bring opposition down to their level

  • FT66

    Can anyone here help me to understand the Vietnam War as I have ver limited knowledge about it. During the period of the entire war, was only McCain who was captured and tortured? No anyone else? If they are, why aren’t they also called HEROS, just only McCain?

    • Andres Herrera

      Because no one knows or cares about the others not in the public eye. Instead Americans throw them a bone, in the form of the blanket term of heroism.

      • FT66

        Unbelievable Andres. It shouldn’t be that way. I just find my heart ble

        • Andres Herrera

          I agree, it’s shameful.

    • Karen Bille-Golden

      The term hero is often used subjectively, meaning it is applies to someone based on feelings and opinion. The true unsung heroes who act in altruistic ways on.a daily basis in all walks of life receive little recognition in todays society. Part of the military mindset that upsets me is that we sell our people the idea that taking part in that vast complex will make them heroes and supposedly great patriots

      • FT66

        Thank you, to you too Karen. I get it.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      The Viet Nam war was an unnecessary war that began when the US CIA instigated trouble in southeast Asia. The first I heard about the guys in senior year of high school being drafted the minute the ink was dry on their diplomas was that many were being shipped off to Laos and Cambodia.

      By the end of 1963, we high school juniors were hearing more and more the words, “Viet Nam.” My recollection is that by June 1963, US troops were already being deployed from Laos or Cambodia to Viet Nam. I recall one of my classmates who was dating a guy 2 years older crying when her boyfriend was killed.

      Then, in 1966, my neighborhood friend, Ralphie, was shipped off to Viet Nam. He came home in a body body as did many of my high school friends who graduated before me.

      I admit I was horrified then when some of the guys were coming home with odd ailments from the use of Agent Orange as chemical warfare.

      • FT66

        Oh! how sad. But thanks for the info.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          Those are years most of my generation recall as turmoil. We were at crosspurposes with ourselves, the government and the military. Those in the military wrongly assumed we were anti-military. We were anti-war to protect them from the nightly news videos of men coming home in huge numbers in body bags. Every night, we saw on TV guys our age in battle in the deadliest areas of that godforsaken country.

          You can imagine the effect seeing men being blown to bits on TV had on our entire generation.

          Those who decided to dodge the draft as conscientious objectors were treated like foreigners in their own country. Ours was always an outspoken generation and always will be when we have to confront those who would end the lives of innocent people for profit.

      • Karen Bille-Golden

        My first husband was a Vietnam vet who was subjected to Agent Orange. He returned home with the first signs of exposure, a rash covering his body. He subsequently died from diseases thought to have been brought on by his exposure. He did receive some compensation in the last years of his life.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          One other horrible thing that happened in Viet Nam…drugs. Drugs in southeast Asia were so prevalent that many in the military came home addicted.

    • plc97477

      Since most known repugs managed to not make it to viet nam, Mccain is the only one the gotp care about.

    • JPHALL

      They were called heroes. They just are not in the public eye now like /McCain.

    • Sam

      Most veterans are completely fine returning home and blending in to society and going on with their lives. McCain’s father was an Admiral in the Navy and got him into the military and he even got him waivers for failed tests.

      The difference with other vets is that they came home and either used their skills they learned in service or learned a new skill to make a living. McCain comes home without any skills and decides to run for Congress for life. He’s a washed up has-been that really peaked flying planes in Vietnam

  • Andres Herrera

    If trump cares so much about veterans, then why doesn’t he donate 1 of his 10 billion USD to build a VA hospital, or housing for Vets?

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Trickle down to rich men is the same as their “version” of charity. They do not GIVE unless they GET something in return.

      The concept of charity that gives without expectation of getting a tax cut for giving is alien to men like Trump.

    • Dave

      Trump has given a few million of his own money to our veterans. He helped to build a memorial in New York city for our veterans.

      • JPHALL

        Is that all? What about the living? I know, the “Wounded warrior Project”, What about the American Legion, the Disabled Veterans or the Veterans of Foreign Wars to whom I give money?

    • Dave
    • Polana

      he did much more than McCain ever did, and he still donates money and help them.

      • Andres Herrera

        money that he gets a tax break for

      • Joe

        Still donates money? Trump donated money to a Veterans parade in New York in 1995. 20 years ago.
        Do you know of a more recent instance?

  • Carolyn1520

    During the 2008 election period, there were many people saying the same thing about McCain. His record at the Naval Academy, the fact that he crashed so many planes on a regular basis and the number of POW’s who didn’t have many good things to say about him or his character were far more negative than anything Trump has said. McCain was never what one would consider “a stand up guy”, according to those who knew him best. McCain’s daddy got him out of a number of tight squeezes. Trump is just stating his opinion. True it was the opinion of many on the other side in 2008. 😀

  • 1Zoe55

    I, too, honor McCain’s military service, but I must question why he votes against congressional bills that would aid our returning veterans? I admit that when McCain divorced his wife, the one he called “long tall Sally” to marry the rich heiress, I thought at the time so much for the long-suffering wife who had waited for him to return. Finally, McCain is the one who gave us the idiot known as Sarah Palin. Need i write more about “stirring up the crazies” in the Republican party?

    • Polana

      Right on lady.

  • palsifar

    I hope somebody points out to Trump on live television that lies of extraordinary privilege like his own are only possible because of the actions of others who answer the call to serve the greater good …

    honor, valor, service, dignity and respect … these are five qualities that McCain possesses that Trump never will no matter how many billions of dollars he amasses through his grubby enterprises …

  • Scott Price

    Good God! I mean people make attacks on vets all the time. I’ve been called baby killer, sheep, moron, and several other nasty things for my service but this article trying to place all the blame on republicans is just ridiculous. I mean for crying out loud I had one person tell me that Obama was going to close Guantanamo bay and reopen it just so he can put all us brain dead vets inside. You can try to say only repubs insult us but 4 out of 5 times its a democrat. I mean screw trump I am not a fan. But I’m also not a fan of the guy that screams at someone to stop stealing cookies while he has his hand in the cookie jar.

    • Scott Price

      At some point this paper needs to make some attempt at writing an unbiased article. I mean watching Fox News makes me dizzy from the bias but this just made me vomit.

      • Independent1

        With you being a veteran, I guess I’m a bit puzzled why you’re so fired up here when it doesn’t take much to realize that over the past 6 years, the party that has been doing everything to degrade veterans is the GOP.

        It’s the GOP that just passed a law to not allow the Social Security disability fund to continue paying full benefits to many veterans that are on SS Disability.

        It’s the GOP that a year or more ago, cut almost 250 million out of a program that resulted in cutbacks on the VA Hospitals’ ability to provide adequate healthcare to hundreds of thousands of veterans.

        It’s the GOP that cut back on food stamp (SNAP) benefits which hundreds of thousands of military families depend on to offset the low pay that military people get.

        It’s the GOP that has refused time and time again, to extend unemployment benefits in areas that have unfairly affected a disproportionate number of veterans who had lost their jobs during the Great Recession.

        You’d be hard pressed to find an instance in the past decade, where Democrats had not fought to support extending benefits to veterans to to ensuring that the VA provided better healthcare.

        So what warrants all this animosity over an article obviously motivated by the need to point out just how hypocritical the GOP is: Constantly claiming that the party is concerned about the soldiers that the party is actually responsible for sending to war and getting maimed and injured; while actually doing everything via legislation to cut back on virtually every kind of support a returning veteran needs (injured or not).

        And why would you, being a veteran be so concerned about cutting back on social programs, programs which are especially needed by so many veterans who return home finding it difficult to fit back into civilian life. Sorry, but to be quite hones, you sound like a very ungrateful veteran to me!! One who would deny even another veteran the helping hand he or she needs to get their life back on track again.

        • Scott Price


          First off you completely misunderstood my whole point. The point was anyone that believes that both parties are not at fault for the current veteran situation, and that both parties do not belittle other veterans (which appears is aka you) is dead wrong. If you read the article it was not discussing laws passed etc, but sense you brought that up we can delve into that. The article talks about political candidates insulting each other. Particularly it only discussed how Republicans trash talk vets and it did not discuss at all how Democrats do the same thing.

          – May 21st 2014 A DCCC spokesperson copy and pasted Lee Zeldin’s (a republican veteran) head onto a picture of the cowardly lion.

          – Democrat Senator Mark Pryor accuses service members of having a sense of entitlement.

          – My favorite Mark Gansler (Democrat) said that working in the Military is not a real job.

          – President Obama released Bergdahl (a man now standing trial for deserting his fellow soldiers) for 6 terrorists whom had positively been identified for killing American soldiers. (not an intentional insult but definitely an insult. Why didn’t he look into it just a little, now American soldiers killers are roaming free to kill again while we have a traitor)

          My absolute favorites are my personal experiences.

          A Democrat walked up to me while I was in uniform at Columbus Georgia and got in an argument with me on how I was a baby killer.

          A man at a gas station through a soda at me again while I was in uniform and screamed “Obama is going to close Guantanamo bay and put all you ******* in it!”

          On a plane flight I had the wonderful pleasure of sitting next to a woman who proceeded to belittle me call me stupid for being in the service and comment on how she was a democrat and how she believed we don’t need a military or a VA.

          The list goes on and on and on.

          Don’t get me wrong I’ve had experiences with some republicans in which they say were just puppets for the democratic dictator but my point is I’ve had both sides do it and there both guilty of insulting vets and current service members.

          To your points regarding laws, you state your first point as though republicans intentionally defunded 1 million vets. The truth is they passed a budget reducing social security all together which effected millions of people and it just so happens 1 mil vets are included in that.

          Then you point out republicans made cuts to the VA but you don’t point out they created tricare reserve select which is what I am on. It provides healthcare for 5 members of my family for only 190 a month which is awesome and then we have had literally maybe 50 dollars for prescriptions we have had to pay out all of the last two years. It covers everything! My wife’s birth control is only 5 dollars a month.

          Republicans also passed the military unemployment plan in which if you are military you get unemployment for up to a year on top of the standard unemployment.

          Military benefits actually incredibly substantial and if you can maintain a job at least every other year (so only half of your life) its more than enough. We have even created organizations such as stolen Valor to protect all the benefits we get. Oh and Republicans just passed harsher laws for people getting military benefits that are not actually military veterans.

          Republicans and Democrats have both passed laws that help, laws that hurt, defended vets and insulted them. Blame is all around not just on one party. If you only see fault in one party then you need to stop drinking someone’s Kool-aid.

          If you want to address unemployment its at 5.3 percent for all veterans and 5.5 percent for the nation. Its not really higher or lower its about the same. Then when you have people like Mark Gansler throwing around the idea that Millitary Service is not a real job that might make it harder for vets to convince someone they have experience.

          The real problem is that some percentage of that 5.3 percent has put themselves there. They don’t care. They have problems of there own and when even offered a job they turn it down (Actually have seen that happen they just don’t want to work)

          If you talk about food stamps both my wife and I are actually back in school and work part time jobs. We live solely off 14,800 dollars a years supporting the two of us. She has discussed food stamps and I refuse. Where is American pride? You don’t live off the system if you don’t absolutely have too! I know that at least 90 percent of the people I served with would never live off the system if you don’t need to. We were soldiers, or devil dogs, or sailors or airmen and we are not the weak feeble individuals that people like you seem to try to make us out to be. We had a real job, we learned more than most do in the same time period, and most of us learned pride. If a vet is choosing to live off the system when the don’t absolutely have too (which is the vast majority of that 5.3 percent) I guarantee 90 percent of the other vets are incredibly disappointed in you. Don’t treat vets like babies, there not.

        • Scott Price

          Oh and to add to my list I was on a discussion board and simply because I stated I felt that some social programs need to have a reduced budget another comment or said I was an ungrateful veteran whom would deny others a helping hand. You don’t know me and if you did you would feel so incredibly stupid. I have personally assisted well over 10 probably at least twenty other veterans in finding jobs. It’s amazing how easy jobs are to find if you look and try. Police forces love vets (I’m not a cop I am a law student) getting back as a reservist at least provides a monthly check, and sometimes you just have to buckle down and take that sucky job as a farm hand or a burger flipper. I guarantee people have done worse jobs in the military.

    • anothertoothpick

      Trump is playing the media like a violin.

      He knows that every minute he spends on national tv talking about these ignorant, rants of his will be one minute that won’t be spent on real issues.

      I wish the main stream media would ask him questions like does he believe the illegals should self deport?

    • kd92mesa

      I agree Mr. Price both sides are to blame on this, but when John Kerry ran for president, and as we well know everything is permissible in war and politics, the republican pacs, sure went to town on his military record, and he had how many Purple Hearts, along with other commendations was he awarded. I do not condone what Trumps said, but he is not the first one from the party of “We have your back”. Please do not use a strongly leaning right wing website to prove your point. Thank you for your service and sacrifices to our country.

      • Scott Price

        Wow! I am actually very happy someone called me out on using a poor source! Normally I spend a lot of time finding better material but this time I admit it was a quick poor through the inbox and then a copy and paste. I congratulate you on a professional response. The world needs more people like you (who actually review material and sources and the. Make informed statements). Oh and I agree with what happened to Kerry. Guy is a real vet and then fox tracks down other soldiers whom allegedly served with him that are willing to trash talk him. Both sides stoop way to low when it comes to candidates. Trump may know how to run businesses, but his ideas are far to dramatic for me. Find me the democrat who is willing to cut back on all our social programs or a republican who is willing to cut the military budget and then I might feel like we have a winner. One time in the army they had me on a detail cleaning up after breakfast and they made me throw away an entire trash bag full of bacon. The waste was ungodly.

        • Sam

          Two things – Rand Paul is not afraid to cut military

          ….and whoever ordered you to throw away bacon should have been court martialed, bacon is a gift from the Gods

      • Sam

        Kerry did, however, throw his medals over the White House fence in an act of protest. So it’s kind of hypocritical of him to run on his Veteran status and the medals he won – while also being upset enough about the war to throw the medals back

    • DOC

      I was at PLEIKU 67-68 you are right on

    • TZToronto

      You may be right about who disses the veterans, but I don’t personally know anyone on the left who does that. From what I’ve seen, most on the left despised the Vietnam War but tend to have respect for those Americans who fought in Vietnam. And you won’t find many people on the left today who feel that Vietnam veterans don’t deserve better treatment than they are receiving. As for who is to blame for America’s involvement in Vietnam, we can point to members of both parties. I prefer to point to JFK for not getting out of Vietnam (was he planning to get out when he was killed?), Lyndon Johnson for escalating the war (Gulf of Tonkin fraud), and Richard Nixon for his plan to wind down the war that to this day is still pretty much of a secret.

    • Polana

      here was the outrage from Republicans when Kerry run and was dragged thru the mud by the swift boat V et’s??? Where was McCain then??? Who wanted to cut benefits for Vet?? Under whom the hospital’s in deplorable conditions in the was (that still continue) w/Afghanistan, Iraq. Under whom the Vets still waiting for help?? Democrats were never for a war, Republicans always make money in a war – Cheney did very nicely and so the Bushies going back to Hitler times.
      War never decide who wins – war decides who is left.
      I remember words of old WWI Veteran – Good soldier never get caught.
      The rumors about Guantanamo are spread by Republican’s, Obama would close it long ago guess who wants to keep it open – McCain/Republicabns. War hero- my foot.
      Heros don’t leave cancer stricken wife who patiently waited for his return and take up with a rich woman. At least Trump says the way it’s and nobody likes to hear some of the truth or talk about it. Listening to all the Cruzes, Rubio’s etc makes yoiu sick to your stomach/ ALL Rep/Dem R for themselves and don’t give damn about U or anyone else. Thank You for your service never the less.

      • Sam

        Kerry claimed to throw his Purple Hearts over the White House fence in defiance and protest. And the article itself stated that McCain defended Kerry.

        Hillary and Kerry and most other Democrats voted to give Bush the authority to go to war, so your statement about no Democrats wanting war isn’t accurate. Also, see Lyndon Johnson’s ramp up of the Vietnam war – another pro-war Democrat

        • kimbanyc

          You forgot to point out the vote was based upon false Intel cooked up by The Murderous Bush/Cheney…there fixed it for you

  • kimbanyc

    republicans are vile domestic terrorists

    • Bill

      The GOP is always giving lip service to vets, all the while cutting money to the VA.

    • Sam

      What a logical, reasoned statement…..

      • kimbanyc

        EXACTLY!!!! and one proven by their every action

  • Godzilla

    Too bad few people know how to do any research these days. McCain is far from a war hero. In fact, if it weren’t for his father being an Admiral, he would likely have faced treason charges. His squealing of classified information about his ship and their plans cost the lives of many pilots and led to the end of a major operation. McCain has also led many legislative actions to HIDE information on POW’s. As far as Trump goes, he’s not likely going to win the Republican nomination, but at this point in time, a duck would be a better president than Hillary.

  • lena.cabrale