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5 Reasons It’s Going To Be Very Hard For Bernie Sanders To Concede

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5 Reasons It’s Going To Be Very Hard For Bernie Sanders To Concede

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An attendee holds a sign in support of Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders during a campaign rally in Santa Cruz, California, U.S., May 31, 2016. REUTERS/Stephen Lam

If you want to know the formula for Donald Trump becoming the next president of the United States, take a surprise economic slowdown and multiply with Democrats overcome by “disarray,” as the press calls it.

Friday’s disappointing employment report suggests that the first variable in this formula may yet appear — and Bernie Sanders’ constant insistence that there will be a “contested convention”  suggests the second may, too.

Meanwhile, as predicted, Republicans are mostly coalescing around Donald Trump, vowing to back him even as they tacitly seem to concede he’s a dangerous buffoon who should not be allowed access to a Twitter account, let alone nuclear codes.

“I think the party of Lincoln wants to win the White House,” Mitch McConnell said Sunday morning, laying out his party’s cold calculation. “The right-of-center world needs to respect the fact that the primary voters have spoken.”

It’s an inauspicious sign that Democrats at this point can’t even agree on a definition of what “primary voters have spoken” means.

Though Hillary is now the presumptive nominee in the view of many Democrats and most of the media, in much the same way President Obama became the nominee in 2008, the idea that Bernie Sanders will ever be forced to “concede” is infuriating to many of his backers. Either Team Bernie now expects a small group of powerful super-delegates to overwhelm the will of the popular vote and pledged delegates to make their candidate the nominee — or they’re just suggesting as much to spur their voters to show up for the remaining primaries.

Expecting the super-delegates to rig the nomination for you is not an unfamiliar argument. The Clintons made it in 2008, until they didn’t, finding it in the best interest of the party (and themselves) to do everything they could to elect Barack Obama.

Will Bernie Sanders do the same?

I’ve long argued that the divisions between Democrats were largely overblown and amplified by the screech of social media. I still believe that the smartest progressives I know will easily and happily vote for Clinton over Trump. But recent events — and the prospect of “chaos” at the Democratic convention — require a reassessment, as Harry Reid seems to be doing.

The Senate Minority Leader first said, “Hell, no” to the idea of Elizabeth Warren being Hillary Clinton’s running mate, as her departure might threaten a Democratic Senate seat. But Reid is reportedly now backing the idea, perhaps recognizing that Warren’s unique appeal to Sanders voters — early traces of the Sanders campaign could be seen in the “Draft Warren” movement — may be necessary to unite the party.

Reid seems to be taking seriously the importance of this task and all Democrats should join him. Polling suggests that Clinton has a serious problem with the younger voters who back Sanders in droves. Recognizing this, Clinton herself has made it clear that she sees a role for Sanders in her governing coalition. (Could there be a more base-pleasing Secretary of Labor alive?)

Will any or all of this prove to be enough? Here are five reasons it might not be, laid out in the hope that Democrats will have the foresight and grace needed to navigate this rocky terrain.

  1. What Sanders has conjured is amazing — but it may be a genie that won’t go back into the bottle.
    Within a year of joining a political party, a 74-year old man calling himself a “democratic socialist” with only a slight national profile has come within a few hundred delegates of defeating a candidate who had locked down her party’s establishment and shook off all substantial competition years ago. He did it with small donors and a genuine populist movement that reflected exactly the sort of concerns middle class voters should have in the aftermath of a Wall Street-engineered financial crisis that followed decades of growing economic inequality. And he’s done it — generally — by sticking to issues and inspiring young people. Already his calls for a robust Scandinavian-style security net have helped nudge nearly all of the Democratic establishment toward expanding Social Security. But will that ever be enough for a movement that expects free college and single-payer health care? When you’ve been promised a revolution, the prospect of fighting for steady progress may not satisfy — even if the alternative is Donald Trump and the GOP pulling the emergency brake when America is in the fast lane.
  2. Polls really do look good for Sanders.
    With the notable exception of a new poll in the crucial swing state of Florida, Bernie Sanders beats Trump by a much larger margin than Clinton does in polls that propose a hypothetical general election match up. Clinton made a similar argument in 2008 invoking the polls as she was losing and her supporters pointed out that a guy named Barack Obama would get savaged by the GOP attack machine. The idea that Sanders would be destroyed by the ferocity of Republican attacks is unacceptable to most Sanders supporters. There may never be an opportunity for a candidate like Sanders again. And to “risk” nominating Hillary Clinton with the premise she has been inoculated with decades of attacks is likewise unacceptable.
  3. Sander and his supporters only have loose ties to the Democratic Party.
    Most independents are really closeted partisans, as FiveThirtyEight‘s Harry Enten explains. And people who tend to vote Democratic but refuse to identify with the party back Sanders by a huge margin, doing better with them than with actual self-identified Democrats. If Clinton can’t win over the vast majority of these voters, get ready to see the Trump name on the White House.
  4. To many Sanders backers, Clinton represents an unacceptable alternative.
    To many people, Hillary Clinton represents a living through-line of decades of Democratic politics, enjoying few of the successes and bearing the weight of all the compromises and failures. But she also has her own record with an Iraq vote that she admits was a mistake, and a vast array of other contestable decisions. To Clinton supporters, some Sanders supporters seem to be falling into a right-wing trap with the embrace of overly investigated and nearly entirely phony scandals. Likewise, the urge to equate the dangers of Clinton and Trump is reminiscent of the worst impulses of the 2000 election. Shouldn’t we have learned from George W. Bush, Democrats keep asking? But we can’t discount the genuine antipathy for past Democratic policies and Clinton’s foibles. For some, the image of her as young college grad investigating segregated schools in the South or a 30 year-old trying to save Legal Assistance, or one of the earliest and most profound voices for universal health care will always be drowned by her imperfections. And even the specter of Trump tweeting racial abuse from the Oval Office may not be enough to motivate them to unite around her.
  5. They’ve been told they’ve been robbed.
    This is the most disturbing part of this primary. Many Sanders supporters genuinely believe they’ve been robbed. Closed primaries definitely helped Clinton. Likewise, caucuses definitely helped Sanders. But this did not decide the election — and on net, those less-democratic voting procedures hurt Clinton more than Sanders. “If every contest in the country had been an open primary, Mrs. Clinton’s delegate lead would have grown,” The New York Times‘ Nate Cohn wrote. “She would have lost ground in some of the contests, gained ground in the states with large numbers of anti-Obama registered Democrats (Oklahoma, West Virginia and Kentucky), and gained lots of ground in Western caucuses — where Mr. Sanders earned most of his big delegate hauls.” The idea that Clinton has engaged in any sort of “voter suppression” never made any sense and hurts the effort to make the real case against the concerted efforts those on the right have undertaken to make it harder for minorities, the poor and elderly to vote. Maybe this notion was fed by the Democratic Party’s seeming eagerness to help Clinton, by limiting the number of debates at the outset. But there were more debates and both campaigns were better off as a result. If the Bernie Sanders campaign nurtures the toxic belief that an imperfect process wasn’t legitimate, get ready for a very long and very dangerous next four years.

But if Democrats can and do unite, there’s a chance — a slight but real chance — that we could be speeding up the demise of the GOP as we know it. I know that sounds wild. But it has happened before.

Photo: An attendee holds a sign in support of Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders during a campaign rally in Santa Cruz, California, U.S., May 31, 2016.  REUTERS/Stephen Lam

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  1. AgLander June 6, 2016

    Why would Bernie want to concede when he’s watching a potential disaster in Clinton’s future with, as even Hollywood’s Susan Sarandon predicts, is an imminent indictment for crimes in compromising national security with the devious, illicit email caper? That, plus Bernie knows he’s dealing with a physically weak candidate in Clinton who has to take naps several times each day just to make it without falling over. Bernie is playing it smart. He knows he’s dealing with a very, very vulnerable opponent who could flame out and fail at any time.

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    1. Ken Stevens June 6, 2016

      There is no evidence that she has broken any law, therefore little chance that she will be indicted. But anyway that is why candidates SUSPEND their campaigns, staying in the race technically “just in case”. As far as Clintons health, I’ve only heard smattering a in the right wing media…

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      1. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

        the only thing there is the GOP gang of idiots (admitting on TV ) that all there B/S is just to make Hillary look bad

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        1. Dominick Vila June 6, 2016

          Unfortunately, these are the same people who acknowledged responsibility for the obstructionism that delayed our economic recovery and caused so much misery to, in McConnell’s own words, make sure President Obama was a one term president…and McConnell was re-elected by a comfortable margin. That logic and decisions make you wonder what is really in the minds of so many pseudo conservatives.

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          1. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

            I never stop wondering what is in the mind of any GOP head .and to think Lincoln as one amazing where that party went to this day . heck thy are the ones that tie up the rights to vote ABE has to be turning over in his grave . as for DITCH MCCONNELL HE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST HATERS of them all .

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      2. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

        and anything that comes from the right all knows is just B/S

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    2. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

      all that B/S is just the GOP (admitting ) its all just to make Hillary look bad . as for you say crimes . its the GOP idiots that want to make it look like she was on the phone with ISIS and was setting up those 4 to be murdered . or that the email B/S did damage in some way (even if it wasn’t a crime witch it wasn’t ) at the time never mind all the others in office that did the same thing . im surprised the GOP idiots haven’t hired hacker by now to plant B/S on her HECK thy are prey much trying every thing else

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    3. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

      and you say Bernie is playing it some way . yes he is he is playing it the DONNY DUMP way him and his EGO never mind that Bernie isn’t even a DEM. he is a INDEPENDENT

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    4. FT66 June 6, 2016

      You can’t indict somebody if there is no evidence of criminal intent. Where is the evidence that she intentionally committed the crime?

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 6, 2016

        The truth is that the Republicans have been involved in so many scandals that all they have is to try and lob some kind of criminal offense on Hillary who they hate, hate, hate. They don’t know why. They just know how to hate.

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      2. The lucky one June 6, 2016

        That’s not true. If I walk out of a store with a new iphone in my pocket that I “intended” to pay for but “forgot” i will be charged with theft. She likely won’t be indicted though because we don’t indict royalty like the Clintons or Bushs.

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        1. FT66 June 6, 2016

          Come on now The lucky one, you walk into the store with the intention of buying a new iphone, that thought has already sunk in you before going there. As you know there is no iphone taken out freely. You can’t walk into the store, take the phone and walk out without paying. And you can’t say you have forgotten to pay while the main reason of going into the store was to buy the new iphone. Thats stealing and you will be charged.

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          1. The lucky one June 6, 2016

            Maybe my example is not a good one. My point is that “intent” to commit a crime is not always needed. If my actions cause a death my intent will factor in but I will still be charged with a crime regardless. Note I’m not claiming Clinton is responsible for anyone’s death. well, no more so than the others who voted to allow Bush’s war to proceed.

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        2. rhetoric_phobic June 6, 2016

          How about this one. She won’t be indicted because no crime was committed. But it sounds so much better to say she is guilty but royalty doesn’t get indicted.

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          1. The lucky one June 6, 2016

            It’s not just her. None of the royal families of America are ever indicted unless guilt is obvious and overwhelming. I really don’t know if she committed a crime and you don’t either. Poor judgment, no question but I don’t know if it was criminal or not.

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          2. rhetoric_phobic June 7, 2016

            Based on the allegations and the evidence provided in the press, no crime was committed. Granted, there could be more none of us are privy to. An investigation works both ways. It is to determine Guilt or Innocence. But Hillary will never be innocent in the eyes of her detractors. That is a given.
            I would have loved to see Bush/Cheney on trial for a number of things but the magnitude of pursuing that would have been bad for the country at a time when we were already hanging over a cliff economically. Plus it would have been years before it was settled. There were more important issues to pursue that benefited the greater good far more. In addition, the world view is something we have to take into consideration. The republicans have made a sport of going after the Clintons. To date, none of their faux scandals have worked out for them.

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          3. The lucky one June 7, 2016

            I mostly agree except for a couple things. An investigation does not determine “guilt or innocence”. It determines whether there is sufficient evidence that a guilty verdict is likely or with the elites that a guilty verdict is almost inescapable. Lacking a strong belief by a prosecutor that a guilty verdict will be forthcoming there will be no indictment.

            I think the benefits of finding Bush/Cheney guilty of treason would have been worth the trauma. I’m not clear what “more important issues to pursue that benefited the greater good far more” were or what greater good was achieved by deferring prosecution.

            If all congressmen and federal officials were investigated as much as the Clintons many of them WOULD be under indictment.

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          4. AgLander June 6, 2016

            Title 18. Section 2071….look it up, grasshopper.

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          5. rhetoric_phobic June 7, 2016

            I’m well aware of Title 18. Section 2071 and I won’t exchange silly names with you. Throwing that out only indicates you’ve read it on the Internet. It doesn’t tell me what her alleged crime
            is suppose to be specifically.
            I stand by my former statement, she will not be indicted. Count on it.

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      3. rhetoric_phobic June 6, 2016

        Good luck. That’s a question none of them can answer without a lot of deflection.

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      4. AgLander June 6, 2016

        Tell it to the hoards of FBI agents currently compiling all that evidence you claim does not exist! Next!
        (And since when does the excuse of “I didn’t intend to commit a crime excuse a person from having committed that crime? Only in the bizzaro world of liberal mush think is the answer!)

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    5. Eleanore Whitaker June 6, 2016

      What potential diaster would that be? A FinCEN $22 mllion fine for money laundering to terrorists in the Trump Taj Majhal Casino?

      Or maybe , it is a FEC federal investigation into a $10 million donation that appears to the FEC to have come from a “foreign donor” ala Sanders?

      So, I’m guessing the same white bitchy boys who hated a bi-racial president and an impeachment of another Dem president proves how powerful you think you are? Two stikes and you don’t get a third chance to screw up another 8 more years. Don’t wonder why your Republicans ended up with Trump as the front runner. From slime always comes slime.

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      1. AgLander June 6, 2016

        Maude: I know you and all your fellow Clinton sycophants have a lot invested in her and are under a lot of pressure watching the FBI’s “Sword Of Damocles” dangling over her head and not knowing when it will fall, but your screed comment does not do anything other than confirm the panic that is raging within the Clinton campaign and its supporters. It’s beyond your reach to control events now…..it’s completely in other’s hands (FBI) so just go with the flow and accept what is coming.

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        1. rhetoric_phobic June 6, 2016

          What panic? You are hoping for it and many of us know it won’t
          happen. Hillary won’t be indicted and Bernie won’t win.

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          1. AgLander June 6, 2016

            Your whistling is getting awful nervous sounding!

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          2. rhetoric_phobic June 7, 2016

            Only in your mind.

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  2. Dominick Vila June 6, 2016

    In my opinion, the reason Bernie is determined to take his agenda to the Convention is because he is determined to ensure the values and vision he has laid out are an integral part of the final Democratic political platform, and because he does not want to let down those who see in him what the Democratic party once was.
    Unfortunately for Democrats, the longer these divisions prevail, the worse it will be for us in November. Make no mistake, the overwhelming majority of registered Republicans will vote for their nominee, regardless of how unqualified and unfit that person may be to be President. For them, the goal, the only goal, is to win. After all the talk about a disintegrating GOP, the sad truth is that the party that is in disarray is the Democratic party. As opposed to traditional “conservative” discipline and party loyalty, Democrats are notorious for our independence and rebellious traits. If in doubt, consider the “Reagan Democrats”, Democrats supporting Republican Presidents (including Hillary), the large numbers of Democrats that do not bother to vote and, by doing that, contribute to Republican majorities in Congress and in state legislatures nationwide.
    Hopefully, Bernie will ultimately endorse whomever our nominee is going to be, and encourage his supporters to vote for that person in November. I think he will do exactly that. What remains to be seen is whether or not his eventual concession is too little too late.

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    1. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

      ya that’s one way to look at it but then again (bernie-sanders is a independent ) not a DEM and as it looks now he is helping DONNY DUMP more then ever now . in hin-sight he is just like the DUMPSTER in his mind . so for him to keep staying in isn’t for any one party but only for his EGO . DONNY DUMP is getting hammered by Hillary lately and Bernie staying in is only helping find more stuff and AMO DUMPSTER can use . it can be little things that DONNYD. will always blow up bigger then thy are anyways . so he calls him crazy Bernie , yes and he loves it because he is really helping him Bernie again is an independent he might have some good idea’s for the DEM side but he isn’t helping the country or the people this way . now I could see if there was away he could win if he was even kind of close . but really he is on another world in the points how far back he is . and this weekend pretty much ended it for him . so the longer he stays in fighting only the losing battle its just longer that he cant do as he says he wants to do and that keep DONNY DUMP out of the house . heck I wouldn’t be surprised if the DUMPSTER asked Bernie sanders the independent if he wanted to be his VP next

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      1. Dominick Vila June 6, 2016

        There is no doubt that the main beneficiary of the ideological and political divisions in the Democratic party is Donald Trump. The longer this continues, the worse it is going to be for Democrats in November, regardless of who our nominee and VP candidate happens to be.

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        1. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

          at some point one might think common sense should kick in by Nov. about just what DONNY DUMP would do to this country if in the sit . then again his brain dead follower only see what thy feel is a good clown show that thy never want it to end . id bet if the DUMPSTER said at a speech he want to know who would strap a bomb to them self for him the bunch of them would raise their hands thy are the sick puppy’s . that feed off the KING SICK PUPPY DD

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    2. The lucky one June 6, 2016

      Amen. Thanks Dom for once again offering a well thought out comment as a counterpoint to the ravings of HRC Dem establishment fanatics.

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    3. ray June 6, 2016

      ” I don’t belong to any organize political party I’m a Democrat”.
      Will Rogers

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    4. kpwn June 9, 2016

      It’s not difficult to find hardcore Cruz lovers vowing to vote for Hillary. I don’t search for them. They just end up in a link or a twitter thread…

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  3. Rich June 6, 2016

    This column omits reasons #6 and #7

    6. The longer his campaign goes on the more duration Sanders will get from his supporters. For a man who has been a political after thought for 25 years in Congress this has made his head sell to the size of a watermelon, and he cannot let it go. Despite the fact that he said he would do anything to keep Trump from the White House it has become more important to get his daily dose of adulation than protect the future of the country by dropping out and campaigning for Clinton.

    7. The longer this campaign goes on the more money he (and his top advisers) take in from people who are too innumerate they cannot count. And don’t expect him to go away after the Democratic Convention either. He will continue his efforts because the longer he goes on the more money he takes in. Getting money is very important to the Sanders family…the reason their tax returns have been kept hidden from voters.

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    1. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

      Despite the fact that he said he would do anything to keep Trump from the White House //// that’s what he says but now I see coming the DONNY DUMP might ask Bernie if he want to be his VP next I wouldn’t be surprised

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    2. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

      it has become more important to get his daily dose of adulation than protect the future of the country by dropping out and campaigning for Clinton./// if nothing else let as DONNY DUMP calls him crazy Bernie let him say or ask Hillary if he can run with her as the VP even

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    3. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

      Getting money is very important to the Sanders family…the reason their tax returns have been kept hidden from voters/// and yes this dose make one wonder

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    4. Eleanore Whitaker June 6, 2016

      And what good is duration when his duration is less than substantial? You do realize that the polls in NJ close at 7 PM. It comes down to NJ for Hillary. And Hillary is favored 10 to 1 over Sanders.

      The money Sanders is taking in from his “donors” is already under suspicion by the FEC. How did he manage that $10 million donation without showing in black and white who it was from? What’s he going to say? “OH gee, I didn’t know the kibbutz in Israel gave their American relatives $10 million to donate to my campaign?”

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  4. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

    one way to look at it but then again (bernie-sanders is a independent ) not a DEM and as it looks now he is helping DONNY DUMP more then ever now . in hin-sight he is just like the DUMPSTER in his mind . so for him to keep staying in isn’t for any one party but only for his EGO . DONNY DUMP is getting hammered by Hillary lately and Bernie staying in is only helping find more stuff and AMO DUMPSTER can use . it can be little things that DONNYD. will always blow up bigger then thy are anyways . so he calls him crazy Bernie , yes and he loves it because he is really helping him Bernie again is an independent he might have some good idea’s for the DEM side but he isn’t helping the country or the people this way . now I could see if there was away he could win if he was even kind of close . but really he is on another world in the points how far back he is . and this weekend pretty much ended it for him . so the longer he stays in fighting only the losing battle its just longer that he cant do as he says he wants to do and that keep DONNY DUMP out of the house . heck I wouldn’t be surprised if the DUMPSTER asked Bernie sanders the independent if he wanted to be his VP next

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  5. FT66 June 6, 2016

    Am very disappointed with Bernie’s actions and his rhetoric. He knew when to enter the race but he is pretending not to know when to call it a quit. Bernie, no one is going to blow the final whistle which will indicate the game is over. We believe you are a man full of wisdom and understand what you have been doing, saying and how the game has been going on and eventually reach the end. You can’t openly say Hillary has to convince your supporters in order to come to her side. They are your people, you attracted them to your side and it is your obligation to bring them to the place where they will benefit (Hillary’s side). We trusted you when you joined our party after all these years, that you have faith in our party and always have to do the right thing.

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    1. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

      They are your people, you attracted them to your side and it is your obligation to bring them to place where they will benefit (Hillary’s side). (AND FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SAID YOUR SIDE ) Bernie its time to get off your DONNY DUMP EGO drugs and start helping the party that you say your are and have been running the race as . even if you are a INDEPENDENT you ran as a DEM.

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  6. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

    “I think the party of Lincoln wants to win the White House,” Mitch McConnell said Sunday morning <<< another hater

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  7. ivory69690@yahoo.com June 6, 2016

    Expecting the super-delegates to rig the nomination for you is not an unfamiliar argument. The Clintons made it in 2008, until they didn’t, finding it in the best interest of the party (and themselves) to do everything they could to elect Barack Obama.

    Will Bernie Sanders do the same?
    PROB. not as the DONNY DUMPSTER says and calls him CRAZY BERNIE again he seem to be on the same EGO DRUGS as the DUMPSTER is on

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  8. Eleanore Whitaker June 6, 2016

    I alway love how the word, “Many” tries desperately to me “ALL.” Many Sanders voters? Really? How many would that be given that he is so far behind Hillary?

    Sanders is like a spiteful, spoiled, overindulged little boy. Not unlike Trump. If he doesn’t get his way, he will use some “tactic” or “strategy” to throw a monkey wrench into the Dem Party out of sheer revenge.

    But, I have no doubt that once Trump is out of the race due to his numerous lawsuits, the “Indepdendent” Sanders will be more than happy to “switch” sides to be the Republican candidate. Such is the game some men play.

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    1. jabber1 June 6, 2016

      Eleanor, It’s Hillary who is spoiled and over indulged, not Bernie. She was “anointed” the candidacy by the corrupt DNC 8 years ago. She was given an ultimatum to concede and get behind Obama and in exchange her turn would be in 2016. The DNC must be shocked that so many of us don’t go along with this.
      The DNC only backs “blue dog” democrats all across the country, They refuse to see that fewer and fewer people going to the polls may be because they don’t offer a candidate that is different than the republican candidate.

      I am done with the democrats. I will maybe vote down ticket or for state candidates but I am considering staying home. No matter who I vote for, I get republican policies.

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      1. rhetoric_phobic June 6, 2016

        If you don’t get your way, you’ll stay home. That says it all about you.

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        1. jabber1 June 6, 2016

          Why keep electing people who do not care about me or my family or the majority of Americans? If I keep voting for them they will think I approve of their policies. I do not. It’s insane to keep voting for the same old stuff and expecting change.

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          1. King of America June 6, 2016

            It really isn’t that important to us why you are supporting Trump; it’s enough to know that you are.

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          2. rhetoric_phobic June 7, 2016

            First of all, you look at both parties and determine which one cares less. Then you vote for the other party. Our responsibility as citizens does not end with voting. You tell your elected officials what you want, over and over. That is how change occurs. I know. I’ve done it and now I’m a believer. I’ve done so for decades with both parties. Waiting for someone else to do it does not accomplish anything and neither does apathy. I was once a left leaning republican. I am now a democrat. I didn’t change, my party did. However I wouldn’t vote straight party line if I felt there was a republican who was reasonable. I don’t happen to want a theocracy and they lost me when they started pandering to the fundamentalists. They would have lost me anyway for their other insanities but that was the determining factor.
            Anyway, change occurs with effort.
            I hope you rethink it and the best to you. We’re all in this together regardless of our personal wish list.

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      2. Marv Nochowitz June 6, 2016

        You made that up. Your candidate is losing and the only thing you can think of is the election must be crooked. The fact that Clinton has more votes and has the support of the majority of democrats would never enter your mine. If you would prefer a president Trump, good luck to you. You will live with that the rest of your life.

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        1. jabber1 June 6, 2016

          Problem is the general election is made up of more than just registered democrats. No matter how much registered establishment democrats say they will vote for Hillary they do not outnumber republicans and independents. And I know a large number of democrats who say they will never vote for Hillary. Maybe some of them will succumb to the fear based campaign the dems will launch but some will not. I just don’t see Hillary as a strong candidate in the general election. Too many people have a very negative opinion of her.

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          1. Marv Nochowitz June 6, 2016

            Independents do not vote as a block. Anyone who leans to the democrat side will be smart enough to vote for Clinton. She is far from the demon Sanders supporters try to make her. That comes from immaturity needing a black or white issue with no shades of gray. Manny republican leaning independents will vote for Clinton because of their disgust for Trump. Now some of you Sanders supporters may be dumb enough to not vote or go third party forgetting you will have to live with the results of the election. The younger you are, the more you have to lose. Supreme court justices can serve for decades. Think two more Clarence Thomas’s on the bench. Your choice. Your life

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      3. Eleanore Whitaker June 6, 2016

        How in the hell is a woman who for over 40 years has had the label on her pantyhose inspected by men in government spoiled.

        Sanders never had a chance against Trump or for that matter Hillary. So..eat your heart out.

        Sanders is a ball faced liar who knows like Cheney the fine art of “secrecy.” We need another 8 years of Brainey Janey as Sanders VP or his army of kids in White House jobs?

        First of all, Sanders is running out of money. Not even his Pro-Israel JACPAC can hand him more campaign dollars without getting his ass in a sling.

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        1. AgLander June 6, 2016

          Maude…..bet on another horse next time. This one’s a loser and has been since the first day she entered the political arena 45 years ago and got herself fired from the Watergate Investigative Committee for, you got it, UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR!

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        2. jabber1 June 6, 2016

          Eleanore, you are way out of line. You aren’t even making sense any more. You are the kind of Hillary supporter than has turned off so many of us. Insulting Bernie and name calling are all you’ve got and it is pathetic.

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        3. ham hock June 6, 2016

          In what way is Sanders even close to that evil scumbag cheney? In policy, ethic, or otherwise? And for that matter have you even seen hillaries extreme right wing pro Israel rhetoric? You aren’t even making sense, you are just angry because people call you out on your asinine ranting. You are no better than the conservatives who cling to their dogma despite telling contradictory talking points. Sad.

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        4. Chaz June 6, 2016

          Troll

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    2. ham hock June 6, 2016

      That is flat out insane. How the hell would someone as liberal as sanders run on a republican ticket? Cmon, have a tiny bit of common sense, we all know you are a blind shill for hillary, but for real, try to at least form a cogent sentence. Yes, sanders will lose, we all know it, and most of us accept it. Hillary will win because she has the brand name, the financial power, and the entire democratic establishment behind her. But we all know if independents were allowed to vote in democratic primaries, Sanders would have won. But alas, none of this really matters, we are all screwed no matter what.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 6, 2016

        A. Sanders has stated he is not a liberal, he is a SOCIALIST. You do know what that word means? First of all, don’t try to BS a woman who has seen now low some men will stoop to win the brass ring.

        Sanders could never have won any election EVER. Get that through your head. Sanders only appeal is to a bunch of freeloaders who have misinterpreted the ideas of the 1960’s by expecting everything to be handed to them. So does Sanders. It took him 7 tries before he was elected mayor of Burlington. Is that your idea of how popular this interlopoer is?

        He is not now nor EVER will be as capable as Hillary who served not only on some of the most crucial committees Sanders has not, but she served in a presidential cabinet. Screw Sanders and his pecking order. Maybe in his religion, women have to always be at the back of the room. Not this time around. He won’t win in NJ. I live in NJ and it is clearly a win for Hillary. Sanders of the Mr. Man BS wagging finger has NO policy only his repetitious BS.

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        1. ham hock June 6, 2016

          Sounding awful like the conservatives there~ I accepted his loss. Quite easily in fact. I knew he would never win. The american people are far too ignorant and stupid for sanders. And way to make this all about some bs sexism crap. I dont see hillary as a woman, i see her as a politician and treat her with the same mentality as anyone else. Stop acting like such a damn victim, while calling every else a freeloader you god damn hypocrite. And sanders is far more liberal than hillary ever was. He was there fighting for civil rights while hillary was calling minorites super predators. I understand your support for her, and i respecfully disagree, but all you seem to be able to do is sling mud like a common conservative ape.

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          1. Eleanore Whitaker June 7, 2016

            No I am sounding like a fed up northeasterner who has been supporting the very Corn Pones and Mutton Chop states SAnders policies would continue to force on us.

            Stop pushing your big fat mouth on others. We are fed up hearing your BS. Sanders wasn’t fighting for civil rights before Hillary. Sanders was protesting a war he was too cowardly to fight. He sat his dumb ass in college and spent it protesting and then from them tried 7 times to get elected mayor of Burlington.

            Wake up and smell the coffee. Sanders was a fence sitter because fence sitters ALL know they can blow hot and cold as they please the minute the wind changes. Boy are you stupid.

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          2. ham hock June 7, 2016

            Yawn, typical neo liberal, too far up your own dogma to learn some common sense. You tout your percieved intelligence yet offer nothing that is remotely convincing to someone who actually bothers to look up the facts, and believes in a little thing called principal. Something pandering hillary has yet to grasp. Have a good one~ Enjoy the bubble.

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        2. Chaz June 6, 2016

          No sale. Troll elsewhere. I’m from NJ too and as you know we are acutely BS sensitive.

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    3. Chaz June 6, 2016

      You’re thinking of Hillary, the Anointed. And if you think voting for Hillary is voting for Democratic Principles, you’ll find you’re the one who switched sides.

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      1. AgLander June 6, 2016

        Eleanor is a “porch sitter”…..porch sitters never change, they just sit until it’s time to go inside and sleep.

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      2. King of America June 6, 2016

        Sorry that your preferred candidate was unable to muster the competency to beat her. She won legitimately, though.

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  9. bluetah June 6, 2016

    After the real negative campaigning would begin against Bernie- whether as Democratic nominee, or third party candidate- support would desert him, except for the fanatical type- but that is still enough to help Drumpf win. These folks will never admit the toll this will someday take upon their consciences. Wanting Bernie so badly one is willing to believe in the FOX NEWS style lies about Hillary is beneath the dignity of a true progressive. And Eleanore is correct- as the days go by- Bernie gets more and more inflated of ego and devoid of moral compass.

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    1. jabber1 June 6, 2016

      It’s the DNC and their misguided patsies that have inflated egos and no moral compass. The Clintons are amoral. Their guiding principle is to enrich themselves and get elected. If you can’t see that after all these years, you are blind.

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      1. King of America June 6, 2016

        How dare she want to win the election!

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        1. AgLander June 6, 2016

          How dare they be held accountable for 45 years of criminal enterprise and self enrichment in pay to play money laundering!

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          1. King of America June 6, 2016

            Sorry you’re like this! Get better soon!

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    2. Chaz June 6, 2016

      If Bernie faces negative campaigning, it would be based on a lie. Hillary has dug as deep as she can to undermine him and there just isn’t anything there, just integrity that’s amazing.

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      1. Marv Nochowitz June 6, 2016

        explain why he hasn’t released his income tax documents? What is he hiding? So much for integrity

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    3. AgLander June 6, 2016

      Blame FOX for 45 years of documented Clinton corruption? Come on do- rag….Fox hasn’t even been around for half of their crime spree! You really need to catch a break and jump start your brain!

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      1. King of America June 6, 2016

        Just a reminder that AgLander is a white supremacist.

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        1. AgLander June 6, 2016

          Did you not get the memo? The race card has been so overused by Democrat dimwits like you that it stopped having any effect years ago? Try something new because you are drowning in your own verbal waste products.

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          1. King of America June 6, 2016

            It’s astonishing that you think you’re achieving anything. I guess racism rots the brain.

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          2. AgLander June 6, 2016

            Keep it up…..keep it up. You are an ongoing joke serving as amusement.

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          3. King of America June 6, 2016

            It’s astonishing that you think I’m even reading your posts before mocking you and your patent inadequacies.

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          4. AgLander June 6, 2016

            Your a busy race pimp…..I don’t expect you to have time to read all my posts…you’re too busy pimping.

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          5. King of America June 6, 2016

            See previous post

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          6. JohnJ June 7, 2016

            AgLander and King of America: Go away. Nobody needs your nasty posts.

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          7. King of America June 7, 2016

            Sorry, you don’t get to be abusive then claim I’M the one being nasty.

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  10. JohnJ June 6, 2016

    This writer’s point 3: ‘Sander and his supporters only have loose ties to the Democratic Party.’ is very wrong. It’s a lie, but I’m not accusing the writer of lying. It is an oft-repeated lie that the writer may actually believe. Almost all citizen Democratic activists support Bernie. The forced selection of Hillary Clinton over Bernie is a war by the corporate state using the Democratic establishment against Democratic citizen activists.

    Per point 5: ‘ They’ve been told they’ve been robbed.’ Of course it was robbed. The corporate state won’t tolerate a candidate that stands for what the Democratic Party pretends to stand for. Nobody has to tell us that. We know for a fact that were vote counting differences (counts by poll workers vs. machine count) all in favor of Clinton in Chicago in almost all of the precincts selected for verification. The officials in charge simply claimed that the machines were right. So you have an actual smoking gun there, but the crooks have the nerve to just brazen it out and it seems to be working for them. Exit polls in New York city and elsewhere also show a different picture than the official count. The USA has gone to electronic vote counting for a reason. That reason is for the corporate elite to have a final hand on the electoral process provided their press does not convince enough people to see things their way. Of course they will do anything to stop Bernie and they did. This all could have been achieved without the Clinton campaign’s involvement. As the paid for candidate, she is the beneficiary of the corporate manipulation.

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    1. jabber1 June 6, 2016

      SPOT ON!!!!

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    2. King of America June 6, 2016

      Sheer nonsense. 42% of registered Democrats support Sanders; that is not “almost all”.

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      1. JohnJ June 7, 2016

        I’m talking about Democratic foot soldiers, the volunteers involved in the process, not stay at home voters that watch too much TV propaganda. But I also think your numbers are wrong. King of America is a great album by a great person and someone like you shouldn’t use the name. Sheer nerve! Your using that tag is like Reagan wanting to use ‘Born in the USA’.

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        1. King of America June 7, 2016

          OK thanks for explaining that only CERTAIN Democrats count, and the unrelated personal attacks on my character. Rest assured I’m taking your opinion exactly as seriously as it deserves to be.

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          1. JohnJ June 7, 2016

            Your answer ignored what I posted and I clarified what I posted – you missed the point then and now again and now you add in another nasty twist in your ignorance. What a twit right winger you are. Why don’t you and AgLander get together? You deserve each other.

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          2. King of America June 7, 2016

            Yes it’s kinda weird that I ignored whatever imaginary point you think you made just because you were insulting. A metaphor for the Sanders candidacy, perhaps?

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  11. jabber1 June 6, 2016

    Hillary and the DNC have nothing to offer progressives. She has no inspirational message to attract votes. Despite the fact the Trump is a liar, he offers a message many want to hear. No one supporting him cares that he can’t do what he promises. No one supporting him gives two hoots that he rambles, repeats and makes little sense. He says he will make American great again and each of his followers envisions what that means in his/her mind and loves it.

    Hillary offers to keep things the same and play it safe. Some ideal! Everyone wants something better than we have and she puts the brakes on that desire! She can’t win. Besides all her negative reputation (whether deserved or not, doesn’t matter) she has no rousing message.

    The DNC doesn’t understand the public or how to attract votes. They have been offering mediocre, pablum at the polls for decades hoping that if the candidate is “centrist” and non controversial that is good enough. People don’t respond to that. Voters vote with their guts, not their heads.

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  12. AgLander June 6, 2016

    Sanders, like all of us, has to laughing in amazement at Hillary Clinton’s chutzpah. When she is being led into the federal pen to serve her sentence she will still be claiming she has been vindicated by the FBI and that she is merely there conducting a lengthy “security review” of the prison system!

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    1. rhetoric_phobic June 6, 2016

      Hillary won’t be indicted and Sanders won’t win. Next.

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      1. AgLander June 6, 2016

        Title 18. Section 2071……She’s already forfeited any right to run for office, any office…….Sorry. NEXT!

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        1. Paul Bass June 6, 2016

          Yea, right. Boy are you dumb.

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          1. AgLander June 6, 2016

            Call me dumb all day long if it makes you feel better…..but it won’t make Title 18. Section 2071 go away…..so what does that make you? Some would say dumb and dumber!

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        2. rhetoric_phobic June 7, 2016

          Wow, you use that Title 18 as a response to everything.
          You should catch up though. I’ll make easy for you to find:

          “[UPDATE: Michael Mukasey sent a very gracious e-mail yesterday evening to say that, “on reflection, … Professor Tillman’s [analysis] is spot on, and mine was mistaken…. The disqualification provision in Section 2071 may be a measure of how seriously Congress took the violation in question, and how seriously we should take it, but that’s all it is.”] ”
          BTW this means:
          “No, Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be legally ineligible for the Presidency even if she had violated government records laws”
          Now you can say NEXT 😀

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          1. AgLander June 7, 2016

            There’s no question she violated the government record keeping laws…..it’s not even debatable. She BROKE the law. Case closed. Therefore, if she is not indicted due to political corruption within the DOJ, we have a Constitutional crisis on our hands with an un-convicted felon attempting to gain residence in the White House instead of her rightful place in the “Big House”! But to people like you, that’s simply everyday life as a Democrat!

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          2. rhetoric_phobic June 7, 2016

            The question is, is it a criminal act. There is a difference. Obviously the case is not closed.
            The rest of your blah blah is nothing more than deflection but I’ll humor you for another moment.
            Bush wasn’t convicted either and he made thousands of emails disappear. Look it up. Yet, you didn’t pursue that did you 😀
            I’m busy now. Grown up stuff.

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  13. CrankyToo June 6, 2016

    “I think the party of Lincoln wants to win the White House,” Mitch McConnell said Sunday morning, laying out his party’s cold calculation.

    And I’m sure Mitch was wearing his trademark sh!t-eating smirk when he said it.

    The “party of Lincoln” has evolved into the party of a$$holes. And the party of a$$holes will do absolutely ANYTHING to win the White House. ANYTHING!!! No matter how immoral, illegal, inhumane or insane.

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    1. Chaz June 6, 2016

      The best part is that Lincoln’s Party chairman repudiated him about two years into his first term.

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    2. AgLander June 6, 2016

      You’re confused, grasshopper……you just perfectly described the Democrat party! The party that has lofty goals for America….for example, having men gaining access to women’s bathrooms on days they feel like girly girls!

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      1. CrankyToo June 6, 2016

        I’d be happy to engage you, dipstick, but you’re going to have to write something halfway intelligent first…

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        1. AgLander June 6, 2016

          Translation…..you suffer low self esteem and got nothing.

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          1. CrankyToo June 6, 2016

            That’s not what I’m looking for. Try again.

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          2. AgLander June 6, 2016

            Return to your bong party…..come back when you sober up.

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          3. CrankyToo June 6, 2016

            That’s three strikes. You’re out, Dickiebird.

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  14. ham hock June 6, 2016

    Its amazing so many morons equate sanders, someone who is considered far left, with someone as far right as trump. Its like none of you people have any idea what policy is. Just because Sanders was an independent. You are all a bunch of idiots. Will hillary be a bad president? I dont think so, but with her we will just get more of the same. Shes boring and insincere. Is she evil? No. Is she going to jail? Of course not. But Sanders is the better choice, by pure policy alone. And seriously, do you people know how insane you sound saying sanders is on the same level as trump? You are no better than conservatives who called trump a secret liberal plant. Reality people, try living in it.

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    1. ham hock June 6, 2016

      I honestly hope trump wins~ Itll kick america in the ass and force us to suffer through our own idiotic mistakes. Then maybe we will finally learn.

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      1. Chaz June 6, 2016

        I believe that might equate to learning the dangers of Russian Roulette the hard way.

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        1. AgLander June 6, 2016

          The Democrat party died long ago…..it’s now nothing more than a loosely joined amalgamation of misfits, never been’s and societal parasites.

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      2. AgLander June 6, 2016

        We are learning that lesson right now……it’s called “the abomination of obamanation”.

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  15. ray June 6, 2016

    The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid. Art Spander

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  16. laurele June 6, 2016

    No, the smartest progressives will NOT vote for Clinton, not easily, not happily, not any way, not EVER! She takes our votes for granted at her own peril. Bernie needs to take this fight to the convention because Hillary is a corrupt Wall Street shill who cheated her way through the primary process.

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    1. Paul Bass June 6, 2016

      Laurele, Still bad at math I see.

      Well, one thing for sure, you are consistent, even though wrong!

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    2. King of America June 6, 2016

      “Cheated” by getting millions more votes.

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      1. AgLander June 6, 2016

        Take away super delegates and Clinton is home baking cookies for someone other than Bill because he’s with Jeffery Epstein on the “Lolita Express” heading for trip #27 to pedophile island!

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        1. King of America June 6, 2016

          OK sorry that you don’t understand maths; I’ll add it to the list.

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  17. penguintruth June 6, 2016

    I don’t support Clinton because I am a liberal and she isn’t. Sanders is the liberal in the race. When Clinton can convince me she’s going to take a turn left, then I’ll vote for her. But it will be hard to convince me, since she doesn’t have Sanders’ integrity. Or even a fraction of it. Not as long as she keeps pockets full of filthy corporate cash.

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    1. AgLander June 6, 2016

      …And if she get the keys to the White House she and her pervert husband will turn it into their own personal ATM pay to play machine. If you got the money, the U.S. government will be “for sale”!

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      1. King of America June 6, 2016

        Nazi-defender AgLander has an opinion, you guys!

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        1. AgLander June 6, 2016

          The only brown shirts seen lately are Clinton paid rioters and thugs outside Trump rallies!

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          1. King of America June 6, 2016

            Yes I do understand that you are a white supremacist.

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  18. Chaz June 6, 2016

    This is simple to me. I want to see Bernie as President and right now Hillary is standing in the way. Bernie is already setting the agenda and he’s not even nominated yet. Fifteen dollar an hour is happening, Obama has suggested enlarging medicare. Bernie is setting a direction and people are following. That’s a leader, as simple as that. When you’re in a bad spot you follow a leader and you’ll know who that is when the trouble starts. They are already following Bernie…

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    1. King of America June 6, 2016

      Sanders is not going to be President, as his agenda has proved not popular enough to win the nomination, or even come close. If you don’t support Hillary, you’re supporting Trump.

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      1. Eleanore Whitaker June 7, 2016

        Sanders CAN’T win. He is so far behind. It shows just how the Sanders nuts believe in miracles. Dollar to a donut, Sanders will sue Hillary, the Dem Party and anyone else to make up the money he spent on his campaign. Smell that Chutzpah?

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    2. Eleanore Whitaker June 7, 2016

      This is simple for me. I don’t want some lame brained Vermont Senator whom no one knew existed until he decided to run for president to be president. Why? So Brainey Janey and the rest of his CLAN of misfit relatives can be highly paid cabinent members? Who’s BSing whom?

      Hillary is so far ahead of Sanders. He’s an embarrassment and I’d bet anything the GOP put him there because this traitor smelled big bucks if he could be president. Sorry…money is not the reason to make ANY MAN and with people like you it must always be a MAN right, the president of the US. Hillary will be president. Sanders will be gone from Congress for being a party traitor.

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