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Crazy: How Right-Wing Pundits And Politicians Distorted Bill Clinton On Obamacare

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Crazy: How Right-Wing Pundits And Politicians Distorted Bill Clinton On Obamacare

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Bill Clinton should probably know by now that if reporters — not to mention his political adversaries — can snatch a quote out of context to embarrass him and his wife, most will not hesitate for an instant. That is what happened on Monday, when he spoke about health insurance costs and how to improve the Affordable Care Act during campaign stops in Michigan.

When the former president noted that middle-income families are seeing premiums double while coverage is reduced, he complained about our “crazy system” — adding that such unfair economic pressure on Americans who work hard “is the craziest thing in the world.” Not Obamacare itself, although that was how many in the media — and Donald Trump, of course — tried to distort his comments.

What did Clinton really say? And what did his words mean? He was addressing actual problems with the system under the Affordable Care Act and proposing solutions, not suggesting that the original bill’s reforms should be discarded. It is worth reading his remarks in full, since so many right-wing pundits and politicians have truncated what he said to fit their own partisan purposes and prejudices:

Now the next thing is, we got to figure out now what to do on healthcare. Her opponent said, ‘Oh, just repeal it all. The market will take care of it.’ That didn’t work out very well for us, did it? We wound up with the most expensive system in the world and we insured the smallest percentage of people. On the other hand, the current system works fine if you’re eligible for Medicaid, if you’re a lower income working person, if you’re already on Medicare, or if you get enough subsidies on a modest income that you can afford your healthcare.

 But the people that are getting killed in this deal are small businesspeople and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies. Why? Because they’re not organized, they don’t have any bargaining power with insurance companies, and they’re getting whacked. So you’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden, 25 million more people have healthcare and then the people that are out there busting it — sometimes 60 hours a week — wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It’s the craziest thing in the world so here’s the simplest thing — you raise your hands, you think about it — here’s the simplest thing: figure out an affordable rate and let people use that — something that won’t undermine your quality of life, won’t interfere with your ability to make expenses, won’t interfere with your ability to save money for your kid’s college education. And let people buy in to Medicare or Medicaid. 

 Here’s why: you can let people buy in for just a little bit because unlike where you are now, if you were on the other side of this, if you were an insurer, you’d say, ‘Gosh, I only got 2,000 people in this little pool. Eighty percent of insurance costs every year come from 20 percent of the people. If I get unlucky in the pool, I’ll lose money.’ So they overcharge you just to make sure, and on good years, they just make a whopping profit from the people who are least able to pay it.

 It doesn’t make any sense. The insurance model doesn’t work here; it’s not like life insurance, it’s not like casualties, it’s not like predicting flooding. It doesn’t work. So Hillary believes we should simply let people who are above the line for getting these subsidies have access to affordable entry into the Medicare and Medicaid programs. They’ll all be covered, it will not hurt the program, we will not lose a lot of money. And we ought to do it.

Remember, he was not criticizing Obamacare in any way that the Obama administration itself hasn’t acknowledged — and certainly not in any way that his wife, the Democratic presidential nominee, hasn’t already discussed. Indeed on another campaign stop in Pontiac, Michigan, just the day before, he had explicitly praised the president’s achievement — as he did repeatedly back in 2012 and many times since then:

 I think [Obama’s] healthcare bill has been a remarkable success for 25 million people, and for getting rid of pre-existing conditions, and the problems with it show why the president was right to recommend a public option in the first place because the only real problems I can see with it are small businesspeople and individual working people just above the subsidy line are having. Why is that? Because they’re small, they’re independent, they do have any market power vis a vis the insurance companies, and that’s why Hillary said, “The change we need is not to wreck this thing and repeal it. It’s done too much good. The change we need is to create an affordable option for the small business people and the working people who are not covered — that’s what the public option is about.” 

Creating a public option within Obamacare, possibly though expanding Medicare, is the same position that Hillary Clinton adopted during the Democratic primary. It was the same position she quietly advocated within the administration, despite the constraints of her office.It’s not the strict single-payer vision of Bernie Sanders, but it is a progressive alternative to reforming the current system. Happily, several news outlets, from the Huffington Post and The Atlantic to Vox and Modern Health Care, sought to clarify rather than distort — but that won’t stop Fox News, the Daily Caller, Breitbart.com, and the panoply of wingnut propaganda outfits from continuing to falsify this story.

Providing quality affordable health care to all Americans has been a primary objective for the Clintons dating back to their earliest days in national politics. No offhand phrase uttered in a stump speech will change that.

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Joe Conason

A highly experienced journalist, author and editor, Joe Conason is the editor-in-chief of The National Memo, founded in July 2011. He was formerly the executive editor of the New York Observer, where he wrote a popular political column for many years. His columns are distributed by Creators Syndicate and his reporting and writing have appeared in many publications around the world, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, The New Yorker, The New Republic, The Nation, and Harpers.

Since November 2006, he has served as editor of The Investigative Fund, a nonprofit journalism center, where he has assigned and edited dozens of award-winning articles and broadcasts. He is also the author of two New York Times bestselling books, The Hunting of the President (St. Martins Press, 2000) and Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth (St. Martins Press, 2003).

Currently he is working on a new book about former President Bill Clinton's life and work since leaving the White House in 2001. He is a frequent guest on radio and television, including MSNBC's Morning Joe, and lives in New York City with his wife and two children.

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  1. Daniel Jones October 6, 2016

    They just can’t stop lying, can they?

    Damn “Clinton Rules” to Hell and any DC press hack that follows them can go along for the ride.

    Reply
    1. FireBaron October 6, 2016

      You, sir, really need to take your head out of whatever cavity it is hidden in.

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      1. idamag October 6, 2016

        More than spammer – scammer.

  3. latebloomingrandma October 6, 2016

    I think the “liberal” mainstream media is a fiction. We are now dominated by right wing slant, and anything even slightly to the left of this is considered liberal.

    Reply
    1. Mama Bear October 6, 2016

      my thoughts for a while now.

    2. Eleanore Whitaker October 6, 2016

      Once you look at who the biggest media billionaire moguls are in the US today, you cannot miss that they are righties. The only one who isn’t is Michael Bloomberg. He tells it like it is to right, left and center.

      The difference between liberals and righties? Liberals LISTEN. Righties do all the TALKING and none of the dirty work.

      1. Wolf October 6, 2016

        Bloomberg is no liberal. He wants to control what people do just like the right, only in different ways. But its all about control, rather than letting people do what makes them happy, ya know, “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”…….

        1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

          Pursuit being the key word, that is one of the unalienable rights.

        2. Elliot J. Stamler October 6, 2016

          As a New Yorker who never voted for Bloomberg and thinks he had some good points but many quite bad points, I comment that I do not think Bloomberg would describe himself as any kind of across-the-board liberal. He definitely is an arrogant believer in a paternalistic nanny state and thinks he is always right. Many billionaires are that way in personality…regardless of party. They have all this money so they think naturally they must always be right on everything.
          BUT – one significant difference between Bloomberg and Trump (besides that Bloomberg is much, much, much smarter than Trump} and as a New Yorker I’m very familiar with both of them, is that Bloomberg, for all his manifest faults, was and is mostly well-intentioned; Trump quite simply is pure, unadulterated, egomaniacal evil. Not just wrong. EVIL!!!

      2. AgLander October 6, 2016

        “The truth about liberalism is that it is more about making elites feel better about themselves and their lives without requiring significant action, such as actually improving the lives of people.”

        1. pics fixer October 6, 2016

          I don’t understand this: Most of the people (if not all) on this or any other forum are middle class working people who are just trying to live life and have some of the good stuff. Yet the word “liberal” is used as a put down and curse. Liberal thinking brought us Social Security, Medicare and more. Before those things the old, and we are all getting there, would starve, get sick and die. Life would lose any sense of dignity. Ask anyone past 65 to give SS and MC up or better yet just tell them you’re voting to take them away and see what happens. I can safely say that we all have people who we know and love who are in the social safety net provided by SS and MC. That is what “liberal” brought to all of us. If it needs fixing, we put our heads together and fix it. ANYONE who wants to eliminate those things or diminish them, those folks are the enemy. Don’t be fooled into supporting them.

          We are right now the richest country on the planet in all of human history. I’m sure we can manage to fix what needs it without all this childish name calling and disrespect.

          1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

            Ahhh, a voice of reason in the crowd. It’s true that SS and Medicare have been a success to society but even a broken watch is right twice a day. It’s true, we are hard working middle class folks except many do not understand human nature. Liberals have made it impossible for those on welfare to get out of the hell holes in which they live by taking any INCENTIVE away from actually working for a living like us. Human nature is to take the point of least resistance and that’s exactly what they do and learn to live a spartan existence but I suppose getting used to that is also a trait of human nature.

          2. Donna Paquette October 7, 2016

            Welfare- veterans and their families, senior citizens, the disabled, people with cancer and other diseases, the mentally ill and the working poor. “Actually working for a living like us?” Most people have worked their whole lives but may still need assistance because wages have not kept up with the cost of living. You don’t know what someone’s journey in life has been, so you can stop patting yourself on the back. You’re nothing but an ignorant arse who thinks he’s smart but in reality you’re to stupid to realize you’re not.

          3. Jim Samaras October 7, 2016

            Must I spell everything out to you dorks? Of course take care of those who can’t take care of themselves. Wages have not kept up, in part, because of the current administrations immigration policies which will be handled under President Trump. More of the same though with your girl! Because I don’t know their journey I must support those who may have made poor life decisions? Get off your soapbox you bleeding heart liberal bore.

          4. GoodSense October 20, 2016

            You need to go back to school and learn proper English. But you being a maid, it’s understood. You also need to stop watching those Honey Boo Boo reruns…

      3. AgLander October 6, 2016

        Liberals listen. But if someone talks and says something they disagree with they immediately attempt to silence the person by accusing them of being racist, homophobic, sexist, islamophobic or any other “ism” that works in silencing the person and eliminating dissenting opinion. Then the liberal smiles and declares himself progressive of thought!

        1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

          And thinks he won the argument! LOL

        2. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

          I’ll give you a hint:
          When every liberal you talk with calls you “Racist” it’s not because they are trying to silence you (although that would be nice)… It’s because you’re actually racist.

          Now you can accept that and revel in it… but don’t even try to pretend it’s not true. There are literally a library of statements on this site by you that will just make you look stupid if you do.

          If you are not already aware of why the various -isms are considered a bad thing, and are called out when they occur in debate or conversation, then you’re beyond help.

      4. PatrickHenry October 6, 2016

        Are you full of it, most Media moguls are Liberals, then of course there is Soros. Most super PAC funds are Liberal, where do you get your BS?

        1. Dominick Vila October 6, 2016

          Soros? Are you talking about one of the four investors that funded the construction of the Trump Tower?

          1. PatrickHenry October 12, 2016

            Soros gives many Millions to all leftist causes as well as Hillary & any Socialist agendas. Now that the Clinton team showed they utter contempt of Catholics, will Hispanics, who are mostly Catholic, finally realize that Hillary & the Democrat-Socialist Party don’t give a rat’s culo about them, just like they do nothing for Blacks either.

        2. Eleanore Whitaker October 7, 2016

          Wrong. Of the 11 top media billionaires, 9 are radical conservatives:
          1. Donald Newhouse
          2. Charles Ergen
          3. Rupert Murdoch
          4. Anne Cox Chambers
          5. Charles Koch
          6. David Koch
          7. Ted Turner
          8. Arthur Sulzberger
          9. Michael Ferro

          Sorry but the major US media is owned by conservative control freaks like the Koch boys and Murdoch.

    3. dbtheonly October 6, 2016

      Outside the fevered imagination of the RW, there has never been a “Liberal Media”. For at least 40 years, there have been media outlets dedicated to producing “conservative” news. Then add that liberal and conservative are relative, not defined, positions.

      But “the Media”, by its lack of depth, its insistence on showing two sides to every story, its shoddy sourcing, rightly has earned Sarah Palin’s appleation, “Lamestream Media”.

    4. itsfun October 6, 2016

      MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, all liberal mainstream.

      1. latebloomingrandma October 6, 2016

        Not any more.

        1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

          Why? Did they say something nice about Trump? No, they’re getting embarrassed to continue to endorse Clinton is the answer and losing the confidence of the people! 6% approval rating? Something is wrong there

          1. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

            LOL

    5. idamag October 6, 2016

      We have a candidate who never tells the same tale twice. He has denigrated women, minorities, handicapped people and veterans with PTSD. He has been endorsed by David Duke, The KKK, and WAR, to name a few deplorables. He has been sued 22 times and settled out of court. He has cheated vendors and tradespeople. Just because there are laws that allow a person to steal, that does not make it honest. His father has bailed him out over and over. He has followers from a base faction of deplorables. Honest people would not want to endorse him.

    6. PatrickHenry October 6, 2016

      Wake up grandma, all the moderators so far are Libs, & next moderator is Martha Radatz who had Obama attend her wedding, & of course Hillary lover Anderson Cooper. What happened to your belief in diversity, phony like your principles?

  4. FT66 October 6, 2016

    It is the lesson to Bill Clinton and other surrogates who are campaigning now on behalf of Hillary. Try as much as you can to avoid talking in negative terms. Prepare your speech well in advance and make sure it is all in positive terms. The right wingers have nothing positive to talk about Trump, they are hunting anything from left that they can use to go against anyone from the left to their own advantage. Please try to be extra careful in words you use while campaigning.

    Reply
    1. Eleanore Whitaker October 6, 2016

      I so agree. If this country needs anything right now it is to banish the stain of the Bush Gloom and Doom years. I recently came across something I wrote for a site back in 2006. I cannot believe how much Bush and Cheney got away with, not to mention how effective their fearmongering became.

      But we all know Americans move onward, forward and upward. The truth is the right is boring us all to death with their same old, same old “Everything and Everyone is BAD” but them. Good way to hide corruption when you deflect your evils onto others.

    2. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

      Oh really? His tax plan seems positive to me as well as his education, VA, jobs and immigration to name a few. Hillary on the other hand can only speak of his tax returns and calling Miss America fat! You have no policy to talk about so bash Trump…unbelievable!

  5. Eleanore Whitaker October 6, 2016

    Here is how you take down wingers of the right: 1. Never answer they questions. They never answer yours. 2. Make fools of them by posting facts they cannot refute. They rarely accept facts, but what the hell? Does it matter to these mental midgets? 3. Never ever allow a right winger to believe he has the upper hand. After all, they have their PhDs (Piled High and Deep) in using their hands for their dirty corruption.

    See? And you thought chewing up and spitting out wingers was difficult? How can it be? The first words out of their mouths are lies. And as sane, rational people ALL know, you can never PROVE a negative.

    But the best part? The righties lie so often that they believe their own lies (when they can remember what they lied about). Mental hospitals are full of these sociopathic narcissists who believe they are the world, they are the universe and they are masters of “getting away with it.”

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    1. idamag October 6, 2016

      This is how it works. A deplorable says he cannot vote for Hillary because she lies and you say, “About what?” and he says “everything” and you say “What about some specifics?” and he says, “I don’t care to discuss politics.” This is from an actual encounter I had.

      1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

        No, there are just so many where does one start? Back in the 70’s when she defended a guilty rapist? Back when she and Chelsea came under sniper fire? Maybe you can help me….

        1. Elliot J. Stamler October 6, 2016

          Maybe I am wrong but wasn’t the “guilty rapist” a case in which she acted as his defense counsel? And if that’s right he wasn’t guilty until conviction which was after she’d done her professional job. And do you think all criminal defense lawyers are guilty along with all of their clients in all cases? And for that matter, you lying , stupid, abominable Republican cretin..do you even believe accused criminals should have defense lawyers?

          1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

            Oh, so what you’re saying then is that things done on a professional level years ago is not to be considered in a presidential candidate when a democrat is concered?……I get it you blind, robotic, hypocritical, democratic, chowderheaded Richard Crainium

          2. Elliot J. Stamler October 6, 2016

            Samaras – professional moron – the representation of a criminal defendant by an attorney whether the latter is a Republican or Democrat, is not something to be held against them politically. Not if you believe in our system of government. You, Samaras, are, as I wrote before, a liar and stupid Republican cretin, do NOT believe in our system of government and justice and your reply to me does not even address the questions my previous post posed. P.S. Knucklehead..exactly how does anything I wrote make me “hypocritical?” Guess you didn’t learn much in your college…Trump University.

          3. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

            Look the word up and your picture will be next to the description. What she does in her professional career including laughing about defending an obviously guilty rapist doesn’t count but Trump making a living makes HIM deplorable? Come now, don’t we have a hypocritical way of non-thinking here?

          4. Donna Paquette October 7, 2016

            Your comment shows you have never read anything about that case. If you had, you’d know Clinton asked the judge to be recused from the case. He refused that request. She had no choice but to defend him. She was interviewed by a reporter concerning the case. When she laughed it had nothing to do with the case. She was laughing at something he said. How do I know this, I read about the case and then I listened to the taped interview. So Skeeter, go back to watching Duck Dynasty. The Trumputins are such an embarrassment to this already great country.

        2. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

          Hannity?… Is that you?

  6. Eleanore Whitaker October 6, 2016

    Righties like all of their KKK, NRA and Confederate comrades are so out of touch with the world we live in today. They hate progress. Start with that and you see why their Republican states are ALL tanking. They hang on for dear life to jobs that are becoming so ancient, the beards on these industries are longer than those of ZZ Top.

    But, they insist, insist, insist like maniacs that we must all continue to be held hostage to their needs to hang onto a tradition and culture that is past its sell by date. Tradition and culture are fine…just not when it is imposed on the unwilling and mostly younger generations who see far and know much thanks to their educations.

    Find me a horde of millennials who want to get back to the days of coal mining, black lung disease and the company store that took back what it paid its miners. Not going to happen is it?

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    1. idamag October 6, 2016

      Excellent points.

    2. 788eddie October 6, 2016

      Eleanor, the word conservative is interesting to look at here.

      Just what is it that Conservatives are trying to conservative?

      They say, “Why, it’s our former way of life.”

      What they really mean is to conserve privilege, power and money for the white-male dominated society of years gone by.

      (BTW, I’m white and male, but please don’t put me in with “them”).

  7. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 6, 2016

    I think and believe if the Governors of all the state was to not have block the ACA (just because the are GOP gang of pinheads and idiots ) then there could and would be a lot more people using the ACA and with that the more would help keeps the prices down . if not 20 or 25 million but 100 to 125 million was using the ACA then im sure the prices would be lower

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    1. idamag October 6, 2016

      Our state refused expanded Medicaid and some of our doctors are complaining because they didn’t. There are actually doctors out there that feels bad when a child can’t get the medical care they need.

    2. PatrickHenry October 6, 2016

      More blame & excuses, you just can’t admit the rammed-through Obamacare is a complete failure can you? At least Bill Clinton admitted it.

      1. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 7, 2016

        still and always the clown I see . go back to your DONNY DUMP B/F you can hang with the rest of his brain dead followers

  8. Leftout October 6, 2016

    This is a “pivotal moment “, ” game changer”, “milestone “,”epiphany”…… A Clinton telling the truth . Now it my take years for Obama to come to this type of recognition ……holy cow !!!!

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  9. Richard Vittorioso October 6, 2016

    As usual……when Clinton speaks, take one line out of context and run with it. Like, “what difference does it make.” (Hillary) If that works for ya…go with it. But the logical person with a brain usually knows the truth. In politic its…distort, distort, distort and hope people buy into this BS.

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    1. RED October 6, 2016

      My favorite is the one the ignorant built their 2012 convention on when Obama was talking about how we all are linked and dependent of each other like for roads and airports and such. But alas the sick Con mind is too simplistic for concepts beyond 5 year olds.

  10. Look Closer October 6, 2016

    Bill is goin’ back to the White House and the haters will hate!

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  11. PatrickHenry October 6, 2016

    This article is hilarious, damage control on steroids, LMAO. We all heard Bill Clinton stating how Obamacare was hurting small businesses terribly, was crazy, the premiums doubling, hurting Millions trying to pay for it. For once, a Clinton actually told the truth, but Liberal media & sites like the NM have to “persuade” people that what THEY HEARD wasn’t true! Absolutely obvious, maybe some of you will begin to understand how they are playing you!

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    1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

      The smart ones will Patrick but you can count on one hand the number of “smart” liberals are on this site. It is beautiful though isn’t it? LOL

      1. CrankyToo October 6, 2016

        Yes. That’s right. You and Patrick are the smart ones.

        1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

          Yep, one in the “basket of deplorable” folks that your leader speaks of. One of the many millions who will be making you and your followers wondering who flung sh^t in November.

          1. CrankyToo October 6, 2016

            More like a septic tank of deplorables.

          2. Paul Bass October 6, 2016

            Go ahead, keep believing in your bubble, but you’d better get used to saying “Madam President”.

          3. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

            You’re buying the media crap huh Paul? It’s gonna remind me of a great Fleetwood Mac song entitled “Landslide”. It would be a great intro to the inauguration ball imo! LOL

          4. Elliot J. Stamler October 6, 2016

            I hope (but don’t expect) you will post comments after election day when Trump is decisively defeated.
            Or will you take up your gun and try to violently overthrow the government after she is inaugurated as several of you verminous seditionists have already threaten (e.g .Gen. Paul Valley; Gov. Matt Bevin?)

          5. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

            I’m expecting you to be here and explain your comment on Nov 9th.
            I’ll be waiting.

          6. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

            You’ll be in moms basement

          7. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

            Statistically and factually Clinton’s statement on the “Basket of Deplorables” was exactly correct.
            40-60% of Trump supports are racist, sexist, and religious bigots by several polls… and proud of it.

            Are you saying you support racism, sexism, and religious intolerance and are proud of it too?
            Or are you saying that the facts are wrong?

          8. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

            Yeah, yeah, yeah and so was the statement Romney made in 12 about the 47% You’re a low information mf

    2. CrankyToo October 6, 2016

      “We all heard Bill Clinton stating how Obamacare was hurting small
      businesses terribly, was crazy, the premiums doubling, hurting Millions
      trying to pay for it.”

      Your assertion that Bill Clinton publicly denounced Obamacare, purposely harming his wife’s campaign is nonsense of the first magnitude. When you say “we all”, you’re referring only to yourself and other like-minded turds – the vociferous minority who inhabit the wingding bubble.

      1. idamag October 6, 2016

        People who say “we” instead of “I” are bullies.

      2. itsfun October 6, 2016

        I watched Bill Clinton say that. You can try to rewrite what he said, but it won’t work. Its a part of history that you won’t be able to change.

      3. PatrickHenry October 27, 2016

        Ah dummy, that was EXACTLY what Billy Clinton said.

  12. Jon October 6, 2016

    Only the simple minded believe that Bill Clinton was referring to Obamacare as a whole and not a weakness in it. Furthermore, President Obama had foreseen the problem and had provisions to prevent it in the bill he submitted but that section was not passed by Republicans in congress. The “crazy” thing is Republicans undermining the bill and creating this problem.

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    1. idamag October 6, 2016

      I understand what Clinton was saying. We have it, now let us make it better. Of course, learned people do understand things better than the backcountry yeomen.

      1. Jon October 6, 2016

        For them everything is black or white. There are no shades of gray. I realize that it sometimes takes focused critical thinking to fairly evaluate things and I think that gives them terrible headaches.

  13. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

    Oh, I see….Clinton didn’t mean X, although that’s exactly what he said. But when when Trump speaks take “it” out of context and it’s suddenly gospel. You liberals are really something…LOL

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    1. AgLander October 6, 2016

      I agree…..The brain flat liners who roost here at NM and blindly follow the corrupt mafia crime lords names Obama and Clinton are comparable to the programmed idiots that Jim Jones instructed to drink the poisoned Kool-Aid….and they gladly did it!

      1. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

        … You roost here.

    2. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

      False equivalence, and wide ignoring of the history of both candidates statements.
      Try again.

      1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

        and I’m a sexist, a bigot, yadi yadi yadi…..

  14. pics fixer October 6, 2016

    I’ll add one more thing to know: An angry Demarcate, Joe Lieberman, stopped the Public Option that not only would have given healthcare to millions more people but would have been competition to and tamed the insurance companies without going into a single payer system. Thank you Joe. The ACA, Obamacare is doing emense good though it does need fixing. The old system was hurting us because it was 18% of GDP and going up. That can’t be sustained without doing harm to us financially. We can’t go back, only forward.

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    1. idamag October 6, 2016

      We should have had the public option. Do not blame the administration because we do not. In order to get anything passed a lot of concessions had to be made. Yes, it must be made better, but if we had no healthcare, which is what the Republicans wanted, there would be nothing to make better.

  15. AgLander October 6, 2016

    It’s impossible to distort anything coming from Bill Clinton’s mouth. Decades of unprotected sex with strange women have destroyed that part of his brain that acts as a brake on making truthful statements that may come back to bite you!

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    1. 788eddie October 6, 2016

      Oooooo. You are just downright nasty, Ag. Not to mention very discriminatory (I guess Trumps’ dalliances don’t bother you).

    2. msnyc10 October 6, 2016

      If you found out Hillary had decades of unprotected sex with men or women you wouldn’t be disqualifying her opinions because if it, you’d proudly support her sexual empowerment. Bill can put his penis where he wants, none of your business. Stop controlling men’s sexuality through shaming them.

      1. AgLander October 6, 2016

        You conveniently failed to point out how Bill has sex with many of these women whether they agree to it or not…..an admirable trait to you, I’m sure.

        1. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

          While it’s untrue in the case of Bill, and this type of low insult roundly denotes a poor quality of personality… I do find the gist of your comment comparable to the act of you posting here.

        2. msnyc10 October 7, 2016

          Look b****;: go call another man a rapist (I’m sure the issue for you in *this* thread will be that I called you the B-word not that you called Bill the R-Word and myself by extension). There has never been an allegation that many or any women were raped or forced into non-consensual sex by Bill. You simply believe that by making men feel their sexuality and sex is toxic in and of it’s desire you can control their behavior. I like sex. Bill likes sex. The women Bill slept with liked sex. Go take your man hating, man contolling sexual control issues to whatever gender-studies course you came out of or teach. While we are at it I’m sure you support and appreciate even that Hillary threw heavy objects at Bill hard enough to require stitches in his head. That is called spousal abuse, something that you’d find unforgiveable in a man too. Because you are simply a myopic female chauvanist pig.

          1. AgLander October 7, 2016

            ..

          2. AgLander October 7, 2016

            You’re projecting…..the work of an inferior mind. How liberal of you!

    3. itsfun October 6, 2016

      Kinda neat how the writer talks about distorting Bill Clinton’s words, when the media distorts Donald Trumps words every time he speaks.

      1. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

        Does that include when Donald Trump tweets? Or when he literally opens his mouth and speaks, himself?
        Because there is a long list of those things that Trump has actually said that are truly insane.

        1. itsfun October 6, 2016

          It includes every time the media distorts what Trump says.

    4. Elliot J. Stamler October 6, 2016

      Well, you evil libelous shrew, at least he didn’t have sex with YOU!
      That protected him from contracting God only knows what kind of diseases including one of the worst: ARIDS…Acquired Republican Intolerance Disease Syndrome

    5. Thoughtopsy October 6, 2016

      It’s rather clear you failed int he reading-the-article part again.
      You probably also believe Obama told you that “you didn’t build that”.

    6. I Am Helpy October 6, 2016

      OK thanks for bringing up your fear of women yet again, Stormfront guy.

  16. msnyc10 October 6, 2016

    Of course he was saying just that. That it did not work and left millions of Americans holding the bag and the only way to fix it is to expand it even further. Health Insurance didn’t get broken because of greedy insurers or because the model doesn’t work it failed because the entire concept of insurance got perverted by ‘community care’ and ‘no prior illness’ so that we had to pretend for decades it was insurance when it was not (which led to an entire bloated Managed Care system to prevent runaway costs). The ‘greedy people’ who left insurance and were the much villifed “uninsured’ where normal working Americans who used to be able to afford *insurance* and then had their rates raised over and over as the insurance companies had to raise their rates to accommodate a pool of sicker and riskier patients. Healthy young single people and new families had to choose between starting a life/business/family or paying higher costs and had to opt out and guess what happened? The ratio of sicker people that needed care got bigger and the costs to provide for them went up so guess what happened? Yep, rates went up and more Americans and American families dropped out. So now the people who dropped out because their insurance was actually health subsidies they couldn’t afford were vilifed and forced by LAW to pay for it anyway. God forbid we blame people who are obese or smoke or lead risky lifestyles and charge them more, it is just the “selfish bastards” w/o health care who are to blame. Now the very same people are forced onto plans they don’t want since they can’t just take out catastrophic coverage to protect against catastrophic illness, they HAVE to join plans that pay everyone for everything they “deserve” and you wonder why millions of Americans can’t afford it? For the same reason they could not once insurance became “community care”; it isn’t insurance. So the solution is to subsidie it further? There is only one way we can all have free education with loans that don’t need to be repaid, with cradle to crave healthcare on demand, with retirement plans that take care of us for 20-40 years in comfort; raise everyone’s taxes A LOT. Not “the rich” not “corporate America” but EVERYONE., No one wants to acknowledge that because it is too easy to point out the 1% and GE and pretend and demand that it is “their fault”. Kick Paul Ryan around all you want, he deserves it but he said it best during his debate with Biden; those plans can’t be paid with the 1% or Corps they are coming after YOU! A society in which you get all these things for free cradle to grave can only exist one of two ways (or in fact both); significant tax raises on everyone (and I mean like double and yes middle-class America that means YOU) or significant public service requirements on every American. Yep call me a “righty” all you want, rail against “income inequality” all you want (while you communicate with your friend in Sri Lanka in Singhalese you don’t speak and in real time on a piece of plastic in the middle of the Park), the issues is with YOU and your endless demand for free STUFF. I don’t object to the society you want with free education, health care, social security. I object to the one you want where you don’t pay for it.

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    1. Jim Samaras October 6, 2016

      If EVERYONE worked raising taxes MAY be the answer but just over 50% do. When that number hits 49% (which it will under Clinton) we are doomed.

  17. dtgraham October 7, 2016

    “So you’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. It’s the craziest thing in the world,” Clinton said.

    That is a criticism of the ACA. There’s no way to massage those words Joe. He’s right though and I understand what he’s saying. He’s praising the ACA while also criticising it within that sentence. To provide health insurance to 25 million additional people while hurting others’ affordable coverage greatly at the same time, is a contradiction and kind of crazy. I get it. He should have expressed those thoughts differently though.

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